Tom and Jerry

Hello and welcome to the 23rd episode of Tooncast

brought to you by the Geekcast Radio Network.

I am your host, DFG1Mike, and today I am joined

once again by Peek on Court Michael. Hello. Hey,

how's it going? It's going. And today we're going

to be talking about that classic cat and... Wow.

Cat and mouse cartoons of Tom and Jerry that

actually says act, not cat. Oops. Act? Yeah.

This is the first thing they teach you in like,

in the cartoon. Shut up. Shut up. At least it

wasn't misspelled. I mean, it was misspelled,

but at least it was another word. Anyways...

Not bad enough for a word to go, oh, hold on,

give me a second. Yeah, exactly. So, um... It's

a classic act and mouse. Yeah, that's not...

At least I said cat and not act. I thought you

did. Well, yeah, I said cat and then I said,

oh wait, that's his act. Oops. I'm willing to

grant you a mulligan on this one if you want

to start over. I will not grant you a mulligan.

I will not do it. We just had Tooncast 22, it's

the great pumpkin trolley round which you made

your Tooncast debut on. There's one slight issue

with that episode but unfortunately we're not

going to go back and fix it now. Well, it's not

with your audio, it's with the Lucy clip, it

still echoes. I forgot to give Steve the replacement

clip and the timestamp to replace it so everybody

doesn't hear the echo. I probably should do that

in the morning. This is me shaking my head reproachfully.

Shut up. Hey, there's been worse episodes. Oh,

yes. Yes, there's been worse episodes. So So

how was your Halloween? Not bad, you know, we

had the boys dressed up as Luke Skywalker and

Yoda, right? And Aiden wasn't actually Luke Skywalker.

He was actually Obi -Wan from the Clone Wars.

But he went around telling everybody he was Luke

Skywalker. And nobody actually questioned him

on it. So that worked out in his favor. We went

around the block. And that was about it. And

then the rest of the night, we just had people

come over. And we got a lot of compliments on

the yard as we decorated. And I had the fog light

out and the strobe lights. or the fog lamp, the

strobe lights, and all the things that sense

people as they walk by and yell at them. Which

is really neat. The stuff they have for Halloween

decorations nowadays is just amazing. Yeah, you're

a Halloween junkie anyway. I mean, I found this

out about you a couple weeks ago. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, Halloween goes way back in my family.

It was my mother's birthday. So every year Halloween

was really big for us. Yeah. Cool. That's cool.

That's cool. Now, did you take pictures in all

of the house with the lights and stuff, or was

it too dark to pick them up on camera? You know,

I took pictures in the daytime. I can't really

take pictures of them at night. They look good

at night, but I've found in the past that it

doesn't really work out so hot. You could always

use video. Well, I tried to take pictures of

fireworks. You know, it doesn't quite do it justice.

But I do have some pictures of daylight photos,

and those turned out nice. Yeah. What did you

all use for decorations on the house this year?

Oh, you know, since we got the new siding, I

don't actually put decorations on the house.

We just decorate the yard. Oh, OK. So I've got

a goodly sized graveyard with, oh, at this point.

I think maybe a dozen or so headstones, and I

just bought a third skeleton. And then there's

a haunted tree that's lighted behind that. Then

there's a number of other things we have on the

other side of the yard. I've got two six foot

tall mannequins, one's a witch, that I actually

put a giant skull mask on this year. and the

other one is another skull with a cowl over his

head. It's probably about six foot tall. It's

a mummy head with a ghost body. It's really neat.

We had a lot of stuff. It was a good year. A

house down the street from my apartment complex,

which my mom and I used to rent out, They actually

put up all kinds of decorations in their front

yard and on their front porch. They actually

had a coffin standing up against the main bay

window of the living room on the outside of the

house. This thing is the ugliest Halloween decoration

house I've seen ever. Ugly? Yes. I mean just

complete no thought was put into this stuff.

It looks like they're keeping dead people there

and I don't mean fake zombie dead people or skeletons

or witches with Goblin heads. I mean like they

dug a six -foot grave and that's what the coffins

for Yeah, anyways That doesn't sound too awful

The neighbors across the street from me had a

Coffin and they had somebody actually laying

in it And when people walked by, they went, wah!

You know, that's a little more dedication than

I could muster. Plus you have children, so...

Yeah, I mean, I'm out there trick -or -treating

with my boys, so... Yes, good ol' Anakin and

Padme with their children! Yeah, no thanks. I

didn't say I was gonna dress up. Yeah, I know.

You know, it's hard to find a costume that works

with glasses Yeah, it's like I'm Luke Skywalker.

No, you're not. Luke Skywalker doesn't wear glasses.

You're a geek in the Luke Skywalker costume.

Yeah Well, so I don't even try anymore stormtrooper

armor, but anyway, oh don't get me started. I

would love some structure Okay, so we're going

to get into the the topic today, which is Tom

and Jerry and we'll be right back Meow! Meow!

Meow! Meow! Meow! Meow! My baby. The way you

acting lately makes me doubt. You were still

my baby, baby. See my flame in your heart's dungo

now. A woman is a creature that's always been

strange. Just when you cure a one, you find she's

gone and made a change. Alright, we are back,

and it is time for the history lesson. For episode

23, we travel back to 1940 for Tom and Jerry.

It is a series of animated theatrical shorts

created by William Hannah and Joseph Barbera

from Metro Goldwyn. Yeah, I'm saying that right.

Goldwyn Meyer, or Mayor, whatever. Yeah, I know

it's MGM, but yeah, whatever. That's centered

on a never -ending rivalry between a house cat,

Tom, and a mouse, Jerry. whose chases and battles

often involved comic violence. Hanna and Barbera

ultimately wrote and directed 114 Tom and Jerry

cartoons at the MGM Cartoon Studio in Hollywood,

California between 1940 and 1957. When the animation

unit was closed, the original series is notable

for having won the Academy Awards for Best Short

Subject Cartoons seven times, tying it with Walt

Disney's Silly Symphonies as theatrical animated

series with the most Oscars. Beginning in 1960,

in addition to the originals, MGM had new shorts

produced by Rembrandt Films, led by Gene Dyche,

I think is how his name is said. In Eastern Europe,

production of Tom and Jerry shorts returned to

Hollywood under Chuck Jones's Cib Tower 12 Productions

in 1963. This series lasted until 1967, making

it a total of 161 shorts. The Cat and Mouse stars

later resurfaced in television cartoons produced

by Hanna -Barbera and Filmation Studios during

the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. A feature film, Tom

and Jerry The Movie, in 1992 and released domestically

in 1993. In 2000, their first made -for -TV short,

Tom and Jerry, The Mansion Cat, for Cartoon Network,

the most recent Tom and Jerry theatrical short,

The Karate Guard, was written and co -directed

by co -creator Joe Barbera and debuted in Los

Angeles Cinemas on September 27, 2005. Today

Time Warner v. Turner Entertainment Division

owns the rights to Tom and Jerry with Warner

Brothers handling the distribution. Since the

merger, Turner has produced the series Tom and

Jerry Tales for the CW Saturday Morning, the

CW for Kids lineup, as well as the recent Tom

and Jerry short The Karate Guard in 2005. and

a string of Tom and Jerry direct -to -video films,

all in collaboration with Warner Bros. Animation.

There are a total of 162 theatrical shorts starring

Tom and Jerry. That's the history lesson, and

we're gonna move on to general memories. Um,

wow. I didn't know there were that many. Is Joe

Barbera still alive? No, he's not. No, he's not.

They both passed away. Well, it says that it

was written and co -directed by the co -creator

Joe Barbera. In 2005? Yeah, he passed away, I

believe, 2006 or 2007. Wow. Yep. Trying to buy

his way into heaven with Tom and Jerry. That's

a bold move, sir. You know, I always find it

very weird to remember this show because because

of it having three different, even though they're

obviously the same types of shorts, three different

people working on them, mainly Hannah Barbera,

Gene Deitch, and Chuck Jones. I never liked the

Deitch cartoons at all. Just poor sound effects.

I don't know, they never really struck a chord

with me. I like the Hannah Barbera and the Chuck

Jones stuff. And I always thought that the Chuck

Jones, Tom and Jerry's, they so reminded me of

what he did on Looney Tunes, because he had started

on Tom and Jerry after he left Warner Brothers

Animation, when he created the Civ Tower 12 productions.

Some of these episodes are extremely funny, just

some of the stuff that they're put through. You

know, it's not always Tom winning or it's not

always Jerry winning. It's pretty evenly matched.

Sometimes they team up. Yeah, sometimes they

do team up if, you know, Spike is going after

both of them and Spike was the dog. Which I'm

sure you'll get into later. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, Spike and Tyke. Droopy and Drippy. That's

what it was. Oh wow, I'm starting to remember

the Tom and Jerry kids intro. Holy crap. Should

find that for this episode even though this is

basically centering on all things Tom and Jerry

I I should find the Tom and Jerry kids intro

so I'm glad I never saw any of that because I

Just have to slice my own wrists wide open well

It's it's basically along the lines of like a

pup named scooby -doo It's it came out in the

I believe the late 80s and early 90s when it

was like Okay, let's take our classic cartoon

characters and show them as kids, kinda like

the Flintstones kids and stuff like that. The

Muppet Babies. Yeah, well, the Muppet Babies...

After the Muppet Babies, the Muppet Babies had

like, what, eight seasons? Yeah, something like

that. So I mean, after that kind of success,

of course everyone's gonna put their stars in

diapers. And make awful, horrible crap out of

it. Well, I gotta say, Tom and Jerry Kids was

kinda funny. because you had separate adventures.

You would have a Tom and Jerry adventure, then

you would have an adventure with Spike and Tyke,

or Droopy and Drippy. Anyway, to digress, what

are your general memories of the classic Tom

and Jerry cartoons? Well, you know I'm old. So

I remember, and this was a long time ago, we

would go shopping at like, I wanna say like a

Kmart, because this was before most other Walmarts

and stuff like that, but this was back when Kmarts

were Walmarts, we'll put it that way. And you

go to the Kmart, and off to the side of the entrance,

they'd have almost like a photo booth, like you'd

go in and have your pictures taken, except it

was a cartoon booth. and you'd put like a dime

or something in the slot and you would sit in

a photo booth and instead of a camera in front

of you it was a little TV screen and it would

play Tom and Jerry shorts from the 1940s. Oh

that's cool. Yeah it was awesome and the difference

between this and what you see on TV is that they

would show the intro and the the uh what do they

call that um the bumps. Oh yeah Yeah, so they'd

show though and the entire outro so they mean

you had the whole thing as opposed to the Chopped

up version with commercials and whatnot edited

for time that you get on television, right? Right

And I haven't seen one of those Since you know

my childhood. I don't know if they exist anymore

But seriously downed. Yeah, they used to be it

literally was like a photo booth with a big Tom

and Jerry on the side Mm -hmm. It was really

neat And, you know, subsequently those older

ones were always my favorite. When they used

to do really horrible things with each other.

They never showed any blood. It wasn't like gorey

or graphic. But, I mean, just, you know, every

time he smacks them upside the head with a baseball

bat or Jerry takes Tom's tail and sticks it in

a waffle iron. I mean, just horrible, horrible

things to each other that you just... you can't

really get away with nowadays. Yeah, we will

talk about some of our favorite episodes in a

little bit, but I actually have the Greatest

Chases Volume 1 DVD, which includes such episodes,

and this is from the 1940s stuff, Yankee Doodle

Mouse, Saltwater Tabby, T for Two, Mice Follies,

The Cat Concerto, Zoot Cat, where he's got this

zoot suit on. I'm sure you remember that. Dr.

Jekyll and Mr. Mouse. That's my favorite. Dr.

Jekyll and Mr. Mouse. That's my favorite cartoon,

yeah. I should say my favorite Tom and Jerry

cartoon. I love the special effects there. I

mean, it's like, you know, you can hear Nelson

Chin going in the background. Oh, this is very

difficult animation. There's knots and lights

and flashes. Yeah, Nelson, we know. Now, now.

No bashing the director of the greatest transformers

movie ever Yes, let's not go there let's not

even go there Tom and Jerry yes Tom and Jerry

um do you have any final? As far as general memories

do anything else to say No, you know what I would

say is back well again back when I was a young

lad there wasn't a whole lot in the way of cartoons

You know, well, you had your 80s fair, but when

you're waking up in the morning to get ready

to go to school, you pretty much had Bozo Circus.

And if you don't live in the Midwest, you're

probably not sure what that is. You'd be surprised.

A lot of people I know from California have no

idea who the hell Bozo is. But you'd get up in

the morning, you'd watch Bozo, and then there'd

be Tom and Jerry. And occasionally the Flintstones.

Well, it was California. What do you expect?

They live in a bubble out there. Just different

television stations. Yeah, Mozo was strictly

Channel 9, or WGN. But, as I was saying, you

know, you just didn't have a whole lot of variety

there in cartoons, so I mean, you grew up with

Tom and Jerry. Basically because you didn't have

the cartoon network and the Disney Channel. Yeah.

Or the three cartoon networks and the three Disney

channels the kids have nowadays. Back then it

was like, well, you have Channel 32, which is

going to play... I want to say The Simpsons.

Which is going to play The Flintstones. And then

Channel 9, which is going to play Bozo and Tom

and Jerry. So every morning, you're watching

Tom and Jerry. Yeah. Oh yeah. Now see, I always

remember these, again, along the same lines as

Looney Tunes. Pretty much all the classic Looney

Tunes episodes, or I shouldn't say episodes because

they're not, all the classic Looney Tunes shorts

like Duck Rabbit Duck and Rabbit Fire and all

that stuff. I always remember them running back

to back with Tom and Jerry. And those are my

two... classic cartoons that I like the most

that I will laugh at the most when I first actually

have I have three DVDs of Tom and Jerry here

with me like I said I have the greatest chases

and I also have the Chuck Jones collection it's

two discs with 34 remastered theatrical shorts

and when I first got this from Target I came

home and I popped it in you know how I always

will laugh and then I'll choke myself to death

No seriously yeah, imagine that For 34 28 minute

shorts or 22 minute shorts order you know what

whatever the time is on these things I could

not stop laughing now the shorts for 20 minutes.

I thought they were I Don't know I I have no

idea. I'm not really sure maybe we can get into

that later. I don't know but They seem to me

like they're their half -hour cartoons. I'm not

sure, I'm not even going to say what they are

and what they're not. I don't know, is that more

from nostalgia that you thought that was funny

or was it genuinely like, oh my god, this is

the most hilarious thing I've ever seen? It was

more of like, it's kind of a bit of both actually.

It's kind of like, oh yeah, I remember this episode.

And, you know, my favorite episode off the Tom

and Jerry Chuck Jones collection is The Haunted

Mouse. where I guess as one of his distant relatives,

he's a magician and he ends up hypnotizing Tom.

And again, with the sound effects, especially

with the Chuck Jones cartoons, you can hear the

lute, not really copying the lute and sound effects,

but it's that type of comedy where when the magic

mouse hypnotizes Tom, walks into his mouth, down

to his stomach, you can hear him like... To distinguish

walking between different body parts of Tom those

like water dripping as he's walking and then

he's got keys out and then he's unlocking the

Stomach door or whatever jail don't actually

show it. You just hear him Yeah, you just hear

him and the next thing you see is all the birds

and mice that Tom has eaten I outing and run

out of his mouth in the in the one fish Flops

out and flops back into his fish bowl But just

the sound effects of it. Yes It's just so, so

funny. And the camera is on the outside. The

camera is looking at Tom. So even though the

magic mouse is inside of his body, it follows

the body down as the mouse is walking down. So

you can see where exactly he is. Even though

you can't actually see the mouse, you know what

part of Tom's body he's in. It's just so funny.

One scene in in a penthouse mouse, which is the

very first short on the first disc They're in

this penthouse next to a construction site Huh

Bob Gucci on it, okay. I have no idea what you're

talking about publisher of penthouse. Oh Okay,

anyway, we're not getting into that This is an

explicit show, but it's not a triple X rated

show. We're not getting into that. But anyway,

penthouse meaning the top apartment, not penthouse

meaning the floor. Yes, exactly. But there's

this construction site next to it, and Tom and

Jerry, they do their thing, and they both end

up in the construction site almost next to a

hammering device where it's going to come down

on them, and they both turn white. and I don't

know for some odd reason I find that extremely

funny it's one of those close call type of things

that you know you see the look on Jerry's face

and he's like he looks back at the pounding thing

and he's just got like this frowny look type

thing on his face he's like and then of course

it misses him and he's like phew and you know

I don't know it's just I just could not stop

laughing when I got that DVD set, that two disc

set. I don't know what it is. It could be nostalgic.

It could be that, oh my god, that is so hilarious.

I honestly don't know. All I know is the first

day I got it and I put my DVD player, I could

not stop laughing. So we are going to be moving

on to the characters segment. And the reason

why I just say characters is because... There

really were no voice actors. I mean, yeah, you

had the little voices of, like, Mammy Two Shoes

and some of the other characters, but... Oh,

don't even start laughing. We'll get into that

later. As far as the controversy, we'll get into

that later. Yeah, yeah. I thought the voice was

coming directly from her breasts, because the

majority of the character model is this huge

rack, and you can actually see her from the neck

up. Wow, I did not know Daz Butler was in this

show. Huh. Well, Paul Freese, wow. Yeah, so again,

Tom and Jerry don't actually talk. They just

kind of... They make screaming noises and ouching

stuff like that. Tom's screaming noise is, you

know... I... I could never really mimic that.

I've never heard anybody do such... You know,

whenever he gets hurt, or like, uh... There was

one where where the The one mouse who played

the guitar like pulled his whiskers out of his

face And see that's where I think a lot of these

voice actors come in because You know, they would

do the voices for that or the or the screams

for that now I know later on in the 60s vision

with the Chuck Jones collection Mel Blank and

June Foray did all the voice characterization

as far as screams and stuff like that, which

is really, really cool. So the title characters,

as I said Tom and Jerry, Tom is a blue -grey

tomcat who lives a pampered life while Jerry

is a small brown house mouse who always lives

in close proximity to him. Tom is a generic name

for a male cat or tomcat. The Warner Brothers

cartoon character Sylvester was originally called

Thomas. Tom was originally called Jasper in the

very first short Puss Gets the Boot. While Jerry

was named Jinx, Tom is very quick -tempered and

thin -skinned. While Jerry is independent and

opportunistic, Jerry also possesses surprising

strength for his size, lifting items such as

anvils with relative ease and withstanding considerable

impacts with them. Despite being very energetic

and determined, Tom is no match for Jerry's brains

and wits. By the final iris out or fade out,

of each cartoon, Jerry usually emerges triumphant

while Tom is shown as the loser. However, other

results may be reached on rare occasions. Tom

triumphs usually when Jerry becomes the aggressor

or when he crosses some sort of line, the best

example of which occurs in The Million Dollar

Cat, where after finding out that Tom's newly

acquired wealth will be taken away if he harms

any animal, including a mouse, Jerry torments

Tom until Tom finally loses his temper and attacks

him. Sometimes, usually, and ironically, they

are both loose, usually when Jerry's last trap

potentially backfires on him after it affects

Tom. You know, again, the whole cat and mouse

chase is just awesome. Yeah, it does. Are you

there? Because I can barely hear you. Yes, I

know you're totally listening, but I can barely

hear you I don't know what to say. Okay. I can

hear you now. Okay Yeah, I had it muted for a

little while while you talked about Tom Yeah,

I'm not gonna read through the entire character

description of them both I was waiting for you

to get the sadistic tendencies sadistic, okay,

well Both characters display sadistic tendencies

in which they are equally likely to take pleasure

in tormenting each other. Depending on the cartoon,

whenever one character appears to be in mortal

danger in a dangerous situation or by a third

party, the other will develop a conscience and

save him. Sometimes they bond over a mutual sentiment

towards an unpleasant experience and their attacking

each other is more play than serious attacks.

Multiple shorts show the two getting along with

minimal difficulty and they are more than capable

of working together when the situation calls

for it, usually against a third party who manages

to torture and humiliate them both. Torture,

really? Yeah, no, not really. Not really. It's

like Saw 8, Tom and Jerry. Oh wow, that's right.

I didn't know that and I just watched that episode

two nights ago. Five shorts ending with a depiction

of Tom's apparent death, his demise is never

permanent. He even reads about his own death

in a flashback in Jerry's diary. He appears to

die in explosions in Mouse Trouble, after which

he is seen in heaven. And in Yankee Doodle Mouse,

while in the two Mouseketeers, he is guillotined

off -screen. I remember that. Although many supporting

and minor characters speak, Tom and Jerry rarely

do themselves. Tom most famously sings while

wooing female cats. For example, Tom sings Lewis

Jordan's Is You or Is You Ain't My Baby in the

1946 short Solid Serenade. No, I'm not. I could

probably... Oh wait, I have that episode on this

Greatest Show. I might actually be able to put

that in the audio. Yes, girl sergeant. Yes, sir

Okay, let's not even go there because you'll

get me into my whole 4212 basic military journalism

Joker Let's not even go there. This is Tom and

Jerry not full metal jacket Oh my god horrible

No, no, I'm sure he is but just um, you know

Let's see one short 1956 is blue cat blues is

narrated by Jerry in a voiceover voiced by Paul

Freese Wow, huh? Paul Freese is um was the guy

that replaced Peter Cullen doing car In Knight

Rider I really remember Tom speaking is at one

point he was wooing some girl cat and Tom said

it or Tom Jerry set his tail on fire And he says

hey, what's cooking? Yeah, and the girl cat says

you are stupid that was Zoo cat yeah, and I was

so offended that he spoke at the time, like,

what the hell, man? Tom doesn't talk! But, you

know, if Jerry had ever spoken, I think I would

have lost my mind. Well, it's a good thing you

didn't see the 1992 movie. Oh, good thing. Tom

and Jerry the Movie is the first, and so far

the only, installment of the series where the

famous cat and mouse duo regularly speak. As

far as recurring characters, you had Spike and

Tyke. I loved Spike and Tyke. Yeah. spike in

taker awesome that's what i was usually reminds

me the kibbles of bits doc or it kibbles of bits

kibbles of bits i will give you some kibbles

of bits and you say yo ass is getting what's

on sale but anyway that reminds me of that but

you have great characters yes they are very much

so uh... spike the bulldog and his son tyke in

the nineteen fifty one tom and jerry short slicked

up pop Oh, that was the caption for the image

that's in the... Yeah, I was about to say, I'm

sure that Spike appeared before. I'm sure he

did too, yeah, no. Just as an antagonist to both

characters. Oh yeah, Spike always appeared in,

whether he was called Spike, Killer, Butch, whatever,

that same dog appeared multiple times. In his

attempts to catch Jerry, Tom often has to deal

with the intrusions of Butch, a scruffy black

alley cat who wants to... Where is the stuff

about Spike and Tyke? That's a good question.

Maybe it's down... I don't know. Anyway... You

know what? It says Spike. Oh, okay. Here we go.

Black alley cat who wants to catch and eat Jerry.

And Spike, sometimes billed as killer or butch,

an angry, vicious guard bulldog who tries to

attack Tom for bothering his son, Tike, sometimes

called Junior, while trying to get Jerry - What

are you saying now? I was gonna say, sometimes

he just attacks him just because he's nearby.

It seems like every time you see him, except

later on when they introduce Tike, but earlier

when you would see him, he would have a doghouse

and this length of chain. Yeah, he could only

go as far as the chain. Yeah You know, I remember

a couple episodes with spike where Tom and Jerry

were doing their thing Jason all Tom was chasing

Jerry And they would intrude on spike building

his doghouse I remember this episode very very

vividly and they would always get it destroyed

and he And he keeps trying to build it keeps

trying to build it moves it moves it moves it

when he finally does I remember the scene very

vividly. I don't remember from which short it's

from but Jerry lures Tom into the doghouse and

Tom like closes the door. He's like let us is

like evil cackle I Would have to find the short

I know it's on one of these DVDs. I would have

to find it. Yeah And then, of course, Spike goes

in and lets out an even more evil cackle. Spike

spoke often using a voice and expressions performed

by Billy Bletcher and later Dawes Butler. Called

after a comedian Jimmy Durante, Spike's coat

has altered throughout the years between gray

and creamy tan. The addition of spikes on Tyke

in the late 1940s led to both a slight softening

of Spike's character and a short -lived spinoff

theatrical series, Spike and Tyke. I forget which

one it is. I think it's the Slicked Up Pup episode,

or short I should say, where he just gives Tyke

a bath. and Tom ends up getting ink all over

him. He's like, you better keep my son clean.

Yeah, that was just hilarious. By the time Tite

came along, I don't think he was still doing

Jimmy Durante. Jimmy Durante being the guy with

the long nose. Yeah, I'm not sure. Other supporting

characters, we have Butch and Toodles Galore.

As stated above, Butch is a black alley cat who

also wants to catch and eat Jerry. He is the

most frequent adversary of Tom. However, for

most of the episodes he appears in, he's usually

seen rivaling Tom over toodles. Butch also appeared

as one of Tom's pals, or chums, in some cartoons,

where Butch is leader of Tom's buddies, who are

Meathead and Topsy. Well, I didn't know their

names. I didn't know they had names. I didn't

know they had names either. Tom changes his love

interest many times. The first love interest

is Shiki and speaks in a high, haughty tone in

Zoo Cat and calls him Tommy, and the mouse comes

to dinner. The second and most frequent love

interest of Tom's is Turtles Galore, who never

actually has any dialogue in Tom and Jerry cartoons.

Just kind of blinks and looks very cheesecake

-ish. Yes, very much so. I'm trying to remember

if Shiki is the short one. I'm sure I remember

there being a short love interest cat He kept

trying to bring candy to or something. Yeah There

have been actually many there was actually an

episode Where Tom fall I think I believe Tom

falls in love with with toodles and And he stops

chasing Jerry and Jerry gets jealous because

Jerry wants him to chase him Yeah, I'm not even

gonna even Say what I just thought in my head.

But anyway, um, yeah, I'm not even gonna go there

But anyway Where the hell was I going with this?

We were closing out... Yeah, I know. We were

closing out Tootles and Butch. The helm gives

people names like Tootles Galore. Well, I'm sure

it was... I'm sure it was a take off of Pussy

Galore. I think that 1946 predates... Oh yeah,

oops. Sorry. Yeah, I know you got on the brain.

Shut up. Other supporting characters, we have

Mammy Two Shoes, the owner of Tom, who made many

appearances in the 1940s and early 1950s, Tom

and Jerry Shorts, as seen in 1947's old rock

and chair Tom. Over the years, Tom and Jerry

cartoons featuring Mammy have been edited, modified,

or withheld from broadcast in various ways. From

the beginning, Tom also has to deal with Mammy

Two Shoes, voiced by Lillian Randolph, a stereotyped

African -American domestic housemaid, In the

earliest shorts, Mammy is depicted as the maid

taking care of the often -opulent home in which

Tom and Jerry reside. Later, Tom and Jerry's

shorts are set in what appears to be Mammy's

own house. Her face is never seen, with the exception

of 1950's Saturday Evening Puss, in which her

face is very briefly seen as she runs towards

the camera. She usually wallops the cat with

a broom when he misbehaves. What were you going

to say? When Mammy was not present, other humans

would sometimes be seen, usually from the neck

down as well. Mammy would appear in many cartoons

until 1952's Push, Button, Kitty. Later cartoons

would instead show Tom and Jerry living with

a 1950's yuppie style couple. Soon after, virtually

all humans in the series had visible faces. Yeah,

I think that was part of the magic of the original

shorts. Yeah, where? Yes, they do have own or

well Tom has an owner but But you never actually

see who the owner is right? And I think you know

the focus is supposed to be on these two main

characters not the owner or so right and I think

that's what they were going for there. This would

be slightly akin to You know, you've got the

grown -ups in the Peanuts cartoons. Wah, wah,

wah, wah, wah. And, you know, 15 years later,

oh, we're going to make some new Peanuts cartoons.

And, oh, here's an adult. And you can see their

face. And they're talking. And they're like,

hey, Charlie Brown. I mean, it's just not the

same. No, not at all. Kind of loses something.

Yes, it does. And I'm sorry. I don't care what

this. wiki thing says i will always call the

little mouse nibbles nibbles is a mouse who is

close to jerry he has sometimes poses as jerry's

nephew in many episodes nibbles is seen eating

a lot he is always hungry in his first appearance

he was left on jerry's doorstep being abandoned

by his parents because he eats too much nibbles

appears frequently with jerry when he does tom

enjoys chasing him as he does with jerry strangely

in tom and jerry the magic ring nibbles once

again called or well I need to say it now, Tuffy

once again called Nibbles his random mouse in

a pet shop that Jerry doesn't even know. I like

Nibbles because he's a good addition to the comedy

part of it. No! Hello Cousin Oliver, we're jumping

the shark. Come on now. My favorite was my favorite

Nibbles. Besides the original where he's eating

too much because he's a hungry baby, but Was

in the three musketeers episode. Yeah, where

he's actually done up as a musketeer speaking

French Yeah, which I thought was awesome. The

only one I like is the Robin Hood episode Where

he gets drunk I? So don't remember that one.

You don't remember the Robin Hood episode The

one I remember the most only because it really

has to do with Thanksgiving and of course We

are in November and Thanksgiving is coming up

is the little orphan where he is left on Jerry's

doorstep and they end up climbing up to the table

where this big Thanksgiving feast is and Tom

takes this broom and puts it over his head to

make himself look like an Indian and he's making

these all like Indian noises like, oh, oh, oh,

oh, and all that stuff. Yeah, that was the little

orphan. I remember that short very, very well.

I like that one. I guess you had to see it. I've

seen it. I want to say I've seen them all, but

honestly I haven't. It's just the older ones.

And then finally for the supporting characters

that I have listed here is Quacker. Another recurring

character in the series was Little Quacker, the

duckling who is later adopted into Hannah Barbera

character Yakky Doodle. He appears in Little

Quacker that Duck Doctor, just Duckie, Downhard

and Duckling southbound duckling, that's my mommy,

happy -go -ducky, and the vanishing duck. Quacker

talks a lot compared to Tom and Jerry. In many

episodes, he is the only one who speaks. The

last recurring character is a small, unnamed

green devil that looks like Tom but is the size

of Jerry. He only appears in three episodes,

Springtime for Thomas, Smitten Kitten, and Suffering

Cats. Whenever Tom falls in love with a female

cat, the devil advises Jerry to try to break

the two apart in Springtime for Thomas, in Smitten

Kitten and in Suffering Cats when Tom and Meathead

plan to split Jerry in half with an axe he advises

Tom to instead chop Meathead's skull open and

keep Jerry for himself. he says it like over

and over and over again I actually got really

sick of quacker in the Easter episode where somebody

sends him to Tom and Jerry happy Easter happy

Easter happy Easter happy Easter yeah I get sick

of him really quick but on the flip side of that

when he became yakky I actually liked him I don't

remember him being yakky well he was I'll take

your word for it um we have a lot of uncredited

people as voice actors and I'm sure a lot of

the people did actually do like the, you know,

the screams and stuff like that. You had Tex

Avery, Joseph Barbera, Billy Bletcher, Dawes

Butler, Red Coffee who played Red Coffee. Wow.

I wouldn't want to drink that. Red Coffee? That's

a horrible name. Maybe his name was Red. Maybe

he had red hair. I don't know, anyway. Careful.

Coffee's hot. Tune for A, Stan Freeberg, Paul

Freeze. I'm just going down the list seeing which

ones I recognize. William Hanna, Don Messick.

Just a bunch of the classic Warner Brothers directors

and writers and stuff that eventually came over

to MGM. Also that is listed here as a voice which

is uncredited is Tex Ritter who was the father

of John Ritter who unfortunately are now not

with us anymore. We really can't go into the

part where we talk about our favorite voice actors

because as we said before there really are no

voice actors for this show. It's kind of weird.

It's much like the Looney Tunes episode where

I basically had to say the voice actor segment

instead of voice actors because obviously Mel

Blank did the majority for the majority of the

Looney Tunes run. So, yeah. Honestly, what can

we say about voice actors where there clearly

were no visual talking voice actors for the most

part? Well, you know, you had the sounds and

the Mel Blank stuff. Other than that, I'm sure

they saved a lot of money on voice acting. Oh,

no doubt. No doubt. So going into the behind

-the -scenes segment, history and evolution.

Now, I'm not going to read through all of this.

I'm going to read a couple of paragraphs from

each segment or each part. Tom and Jerry creators

slash directors William Hanna and Joseph Barbera

with the seven Academy Awards for best short

subject cartoons. William Hanna and Joseph Barbera

were both part of the Rudolph Ising Unit at the

MGM Cartoon Studio in the late 1930s. Barbera,

a story man and character designer, was paired

with Hanna, an experienced director, to start

directing films for the Ising Unit. The first

of these was a cat and mouse cartoon called Puss

Gets the Boot. completed in late 1939 and released

to theaters on February 10th, 1940. Puss gets

the boot, centers on Jasper, a gray tabby cat,

trying to catch an unnamed rodent, but after

accidentally breaking a house plant in its stand,

the African -American housemaid, Mammy, later

Tom's owner, is threatened to throw Jasper out.

I remember seeing that. I remember seeing that

now. Tom's physical appearance evolved significantly

over the years during the early 1940s Tom had

excessive detail Shaggy for numerous facial wrinkles

and multiple eyebrow markings all of which were

streamlined into a more workable form by the

end of the 1940s and looked like a realistic

cat in addition from his quadruple Quadrupedal

beginnings Tom became increasingly shut up Shut

the hell up. Increasingly and eventually almost

exclusively bipedal. Just shut up. This is the

first time I'm actually going to have to use

this on Tooncast in a very, very, very long time.

Even though the theme of each short is virtually

the same, Cat Chases Mouse, Hannah and Barbera

found endless variations on that theme. Barbera's

storyboards and rough layouts and designs combined

with Hannah's timing resulted in MGM's most popular

and successful cartoon series. 13 entries in

the Tom and Jerry series, including Puss Gets

the Boot, were nominated for an Academy Award

for Best Short Subject Cartoons. Seven of them

went on to win the Academy Award, breaking the

Disney Studios winning streak in that category.

Tom and Jerry won more Academy Awards than any

other character -based theatrical animation series.

Well, you had all the Looney Tunes stuff. Well,

that started in the thirties. Yeah, so you'd

have your Warner Brothers stuff and then your

Tom and Jerry stuff and then your Disney stuff.

We will get into the Warner Brothers MGM battle

in a little bit, because I'm trying to think...

When did Kat come cheer? Don't come out. There

was like a three -year gap. I believe Tex Avery

had worked on The Bugs Bunny version of the cat

concerto cartoon and then when he left and gone

to MGM He put Tom and Jerry in that exact same

situation where Bugs Bunny's on the stage playing

this this number in this diddy and there's this

little unnamed mouse That's that's just bothering

the heck out of him and then later on in the

cat concerto It's Tom doing the exact same thing

with with Jerry being you know Being bothered

and then getting back at Tom Actually gonna take

part of the cat concerto. I may actually make

that the outro I'm not sure and I haven't decided

yet. I'll I'll work on it. I've got two days

Again we are recording this Monday it will air

on Wednesday Tom and Jerry remain popular throughout

their original theatrical run even when the budgets

began to tighten somewhat of the 1950s in the

Pete in the Pace of the shorts slowed slightly.

However, after television became popular in the

1950s, box office revenues decreased for the

theatrical films and short subjects. At first,

MGM combated this by going to all cinemascope

production on the series. After MGM realized

that their re -releases of the older shorts brought

in just as much revenue as the new films, the

studio executives decided much to the surprise

of the staff to close the animation studio. The

MGM Cartoon Studio was shut down in 1957, and

the final of the 114 Hannah and Barbara Tom and

Jerry shorts, Toot or Tot Watchers, was released

on August 1st. What the hell? I can't talk today.

I can see that being a problem. I can't talk

with a lift. August 1st, 1958, Hanna and Barbera

established their own television animation studio,

Hanna -Barbera Productions in 1957, which went

on to produce famous TV shows and movies. Which

would go on to plague us throughout the 70s.

I don't know. The Gene Deitch era. yeah exactly

these cartoons I think there's only one cartoon

that I actually like from this era and that's

the one that you see the picture of there with

Tom with the chef's hat high stakes yeah this

was Tom was owned by some country gunfighter

type of guy he was again one of those characters

I don't know if you actually saw you might have

seen his face once or twice in the cartoon I'm

not really sure but Yeah, I that's the only Dyche

era cartoon that I will actually admit to liking

and as far as the All the the credits in that

era, I don't recognize anybody Let's see Gene

Deitch directed a total of 13 Tom and Jerry shorts

in his studio in Czechoslovakia. Wow! In 1960,

MDM decided to produce new Tom and Jerry shorts

and head producer William L. Snyder arranged

with Czech -based animation director Gene Deitch

and his studio Rembrandt Films to make the films

overseas in Prague, Czechoslovakia. Just cheaper,

I guess? Probably. That's a good thing they didn't

talk. because they'd all be speaking Slavic.

Oh, good lord. Hello? Yeah. Uh, Dyche states

that being a member of the UPA has always had

a personal dislike of Tom and Jerry, citing them

as the primary bad example of senseless violence.

Humor based on pain, attack, and revenge to say

nothing of the tasteless use of headless black

woman stereotype house servant. Uh, members of

Dyche's newly formed team included William L.

Snyder, the producer, uh... Stefan Konchek? Konasek?

Stefan Konasek? I don't know. Very Slavic, yeah,

so you can't even... I'm not even gonna finish...

No, seriously! I mean, the Dyche era is basically

an insult to Hannah Barbera's Tom and Jerry.

I didn't even like the property, I don't... I

know exactly, that's the same thing with, um,

what's his name, uh, that asshole that created,

uh, Ren and Stimpy, uh, well, crap. John Casgransky

or whatever the fuck his name is, the one that

pretty much, uh, dissed Tiny Toon Adventures

saying it's a poor cheap knockoff of Looney Tunes.

Dumb fucking bastard. That's why fucking Ren

and Stimpy will never be covered on this fucking

show because of that. Ren and Stimpy is Beavis

and Butthead on steroids. Anyway, it's not to

say Beavis and Butthead didn't do steroids, but

anyway. Moving right along to the Chuck Jones

era. Yeah, the Chuck Jones era, 1963 to 1967.

This, obviously because I have the Chuck Jones

collection, A lot of these people I recognize

from being with Chuck at Warner Brothers, namely

Ben Washam was an animator. Michael Maltese was

his writer at Warner Brothers for Looney Tunes.

Okay, well, I don't know what the heck I was

thinking 22 minutes. I honestly don't know. That's

roughly about how long a half hour show would

run, including commercials. They would show three

or four shorts. Four or five shorts. Yeah, see,

that's the thing. When I would catch it on boomerang

and stuff, it would be for a half hour, 22 minutes,

and it would be six or seven shorts. And then

now that I have the DVDs, you know, because I

watch... I'm a play -all type of guy. I'm not

one that watches individual episodes. I want

to watch them all. For the most part. After the

last of the Dyches cartoons were released, Jones,

who had been fired from his 30 -plus -year tenure

at Warner Bros., started his own animation studio,

SimTower 12 Productions, with partner Les Goldman.

Beginning in 1963, Jones and Goldman went on

to produce 34 more Tom and Jerry shorts, all

of which carried Jones' distinctive style and

slight psychedelic influence. However, despite

being animated by essentially the same artists

who worked with Jones at Warner's, these new

shorts had varying degrees of critical success.

Jones had trouble adapting his style to Tom and

Jerry's brand of humor, and a number of the cartoons

favored poses, personality, and style over storyline.

The characters underwent a slight change of appearance.

Tom was given a thicker Boris Karloff -like eyebrows

resembling Jones's Grinch or Count Blood Count

in a less complex look, including the color of

his fur becoming gray. Sharper ears, a furrier

cheeks, while Jerry was given larger eyes and

ears, a lighter brown color, and a sweeter porky

pig -like expression. I gotta say there are some

cartoons within these 34 cartoons on this to

disc set where Jerry does this like evil grin

That's not porky pig like at all. Sorry about

your luck. That's more like a daffy duck type

of thing Okay, I didn't know it just is I mean,

I don't know it I don't know it just is Some

of Jones's Tom and Jerry cartoons are reminiscent

of his work with Wile E. Coyote and the Road

Runner, included the uses of blackout gags and

the gags involving characters falling from high

places. Jones co -directed the majority of the

shorts with layout artist Maurice Noble. The

remaining shorts were directed by Abe Levito

and Ben Washam, with Tom Ray directing two shorts

built around footage from earlier Tom and Jerry

cartoons, directed by Hannah Barbera. Various

vocal characteristics were made by Mel Black

and June Ferre. MGM finally ended production

on Tom and Jerry in 1967, by which time SIB Tower

12 had become MGM Animation slash Visual Arts

and Jones had moved on to television specials

and the feature film The Phantom Tollbooth. Beginning

in 1965, Hanna -Barbera Tom and Jerry cartoons

began to appear on television. In heavily edited

form, the Jones team was required to take the

cartoons featuring Mammy Two Shoes and Rotoscope

her out. Oof. That sounds like it hurts. That

sounds like something that you just don't want

to be on the ass end of. For some odd reason,

uh... For some odd reason, Cartman's anal probe

comes to mind. Most of the time she was replaced

with a similarly fat white Irish woman, occasionally

as in Saturday Evening Puss. A thin white teenager

took her place instead, with both characters

voiced by June Ferre. However, in more recent

local telecasts of the cartoons and the versions

shown on Boomerang, Mamet could once again be

seen more recently. with new less stereotypical

black voice supplied which is done by Thea Vidali

or Vidale or whatever, I don't know. It's like

that chook over the E and the nuh over the N.

That's a Jeff Dunham reference. Anyway, debuting

on CBS Saturday morning schedule September 25th

1965, Tom and Jerry move to CBS Sundays. two

years later and remain there until September

17, 1972. There's a lot of history here, so I'm

just actually, as much as I want to go into,

I'll go into the new owners, but I'm going to

basically cut out the outside of the United States,

because I'm sorry. Countries outside of the United

States I've found in the last few episodes of

Tooncast butcher my favorite cartoons, so I am

not going to be mentioning that. Tom and Jerry's

new owners. In 1986, Tom MGM was purchased by

WTBS founder Ted Turner. Turner sold the company

a short while later, but retained MGM's pre -1986

film library, thus Tom and Jerry became the property

of Turner Entertainment. where the rights stand

today via Warner Brothers and have subsequent

years appeared on Turner run stations such as

TBS, TNT, Cartoon Network, Boomerang, and Turner

classic movies. Hmm, as far as the controversy.

Like a number of other animated cartoons in the

1940s, 50s, and 60s, Tom and Jerry was not considered

politically correct in later years. There are

at least 24 cartoons that featured either racism

or with characters shown in black face following

an explosion okay now I have to dispute this

I'm not saying that it's not politically correct

I'm saying when I see an explosion and then a

black face whether it's in a cartoon or a live

-action film or whatever I see that as you got

gunpowder all over your face not that they're

trying to no seriously I mean come on Your head

got blown up, but somehow your ears are now in

cornrows with little bows. Okay, well... I'm

not sure how that happens when your head explodes,

but, uh... Well, alright, but, you know, come

on. I can understand how it would be seen as

racist, but at the same time, I don't like the

idea of going back and redacting, uh, you know,

our, uh... Heritage. Well, it's not heritage

It's not even great works, you know, but but

you know what it comes down to is we're going

back and redacting our history To the point where

you know school children aren't even allowed

to read Huckleberry Finn anymore Yeah I just

I I I would say hey if you find that offensive

don't watch it Yeah, or don't read it, but don't

don't expect the rest of us to uh... deleted

out of history out of the historical record because

it bothers you now uh... you know another fifty

years from now well fifty years ago that was

accepted uh... fifty years from now people are

going to look back and say whatever happened

all that stuff exactly they made them delete

it all in the late nineteen nineties two thousand

and see alright in an age of the internet in

an age of You know, Pam and Tommy Lee or Pam

and Kid Rock sex tapes. I mean, come on. There

is more stuff to be censored or cut out than

a blackface gag from a Tom and Jerry short or

a Looney Tunes short. Give me a fucking break.

Well, you know, I can kind of understand Mammy

Two Shoes. Okay, all right. I will... Okay, that's

fine. I'm not arguing that at all. I'm just saying...

Here I am defending it, saying, whoa, we can't

go back and retroactively censor cartoons, but

here I am saying, oh, well, you know, Mami Tushu,

Jesus. I mean, you know, she's like, you know,

she's really bad. Okay, take the Mami Tushu's

thing with the fact that she was originally a

black main, supposedly serving this opulent people

that live, or these rich people that live in

this opulent house. How is that any different

from, and I mean no disrespect to the film that

I'm about to bring up because I love the film.

How is that any different from fucking Forrest

Gump when Bubba's mama gets Bubba's share of

the money and she actually hired a maid herself

and she didn't have to be a maid anymore. How

is that different now, now granted of course

we're in 2009, Forrest Gump came out in 1994.

1994 was the was one of the years of censorship

as far as anything and everything But I mean,

how is that any different? I understand for the

time that Tom and Jerry were originally out.

That's fine. But as of today Okay, how is it

any different? between Tom and Jerry's Mammy

and the Forrest Gump scene I Mean give me a break

well, he spoke like oh Geez, I mean I can't even

I can't even yeah, I know how she spoke I've

seen yeah, I mean it's so over the top yeah That

you couldn't get away with that. I mean honestly

you'd be you couldn't get away with that now

Yeah, and you know I can understand Later on

how they would replace her voice with In 2006,

United Kingdom channel Boomerang made plans to

edit Tom and Jerry cartoons being aired in the

UK. where the characters were seen to be smoking

in a manner that was condoned, acceptable or

glamorized. This followed a complaint from a

viewer that the cartoons were not appropriate

for younger viewers. As a subsequent investigation

by UK media watching Ofcom, whatever that is,

it has also taken the US approach by editing

out blackface gags, though this seems to be random

and not all scenes of this type are cut. While

mid -1990s efforts to update the historic cartoons

may be seen as a way to make the cartoons more

suitable for the times, editing the original

cartoons has become just as controversial, in

the regard that it diminishes the original artistic

piece in which made the cartoons popular. While

the dialogue of Mametouchou's is viewed as racist

and stereotypical by today's standards, It was

also voiced by Lillian Randolph, one of the few

African -American performers at the time who

was employed in the entertainment industry. The

new voiceovers for Mami capture much of the dialogue

tone of Randolph, but it also erases Randolph's

artistic contribution to the series. Redoing

the voiceovers also has caught attention because

it draws negative notice to the controversy and

creates more issues. Now that I can agree with.

Yeah, that makes sense, but I think that if they

change things, again, retroactive censoring,

if they overdub it, the original should be made

freely available, like on the internet, where

you can still find it. Well, see, that's the

thing. And it specifically says on the Tom and

Jerry Chuck Jones collection, on the back of

it, it says, like, on the very back, underneath

the special features, it says, Tom and Jerry,

the Chuck Jones collection is intended for the

adult collector and may not be suitable for children

okay now come on what adult is going to show

these card I mean okay some of the stuff is funny

and kids might get it but seriously you're going

to show Barney to your three -year -old before

you show them Tom and Jerry yeah maybe possibly

that's that's debatable fucking purple dinosaur

I've met people that have shown Meet the Feebles

to small children. They should probably be burned

at the stake, but... Okay! Alrighty then. Did

you ever see Meet the Feebles? I don't think

so! Oh, it was an early Peter Jackson movie.

Okay, well, yeah, I'm not a follower of the rings,

thank you very much. This was long before rings.

This was back when... You can barely make enough

money out of it. One gun will kill all the ring

bearers. There you go. Stop it. You're gonna

get hate mail now. What mail? Hell. Happy to

get mail. Yeah, exactly. What mail? You realize

we're on page 17 of 28. Yeah, I know. We're actually

gonna go into the actual show now. The plots

of each short usually centered on Tom's numerous

attempts to capture Jerry, and the mayhem and

destruction that ensues. Since Tom really attempts

to eat Jerry because the pair actually seem to

get along in some cartoon shorts, it is unclear

why Tom chases Jerry so much. Some reasons given

may include normal feline -slash -merine -ammittity?

What the hell? I don't know. Who is this written

by? I don't know. Wiki. Wicked all right. Yeah

duty of his owner and Jerry's attempt at running

a task that Tom is entrusted with Jerry eating

Tom's master's food which Tom has been entrusted

with safeguarding revenge Jerry saving other

potential prey such as ducks canaries or goldfish

from being eaten Basically, it's the classic

cat -and -mouse chase mixed in with eggs eggs,

dynamite, guns, rakes, shovels, hoses, you know,

all that. This is really, well, you know, I don't

know. It's like, before I'm just beating you

up with a baseball bat, now I'm giving you an

enema. So, take this oath. the water from the

fishbowl to get the fish sucked through the hose.

Well, Jerry orders a giant shark from the pet

shop and it shows the shark going through the

hose. I don't know. Yeah. What are some of your...

I know you said... What was that one episode

you said you liked? Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mouse.

What are some of your other favorite shorts from

Tom and Jerry? You know, a lot of them just kind

of blur together. But that one in particular,

I remember very fondly. The one where Jerry's

cousin with the derby comes over in the sweater.

Oh yeah, Muscles. Yeah, Muscles comes over. Yeah,

I remember that one. The other one with the...

I don't know if it was a cousin or what, but

it was the one that played the guitar. And he

would break a guitar string and he'd be like...

Oh, yeah! I remember that! Oh, crap, what a...

Singing the Fiddle Up Crambone. Yeah, um... Froggy

went to court and he did ride in the Crambone.

Yeah, no... That's an actual song. Yeah, that

was... Jerry was his nephew. That was Uncle Pecos.

That's what it was. Yeah! Yeah, and he would

always where's where's that cat and he would

always go a whisker And then at the very very

end he's on TV and it snaps and he reaches right

through the TV because thomas in their lab and

say that you can't be doesn't it looks like it's

got what was your life and again uh... local

people's reaches in the team and pops it off

one of the reasons haunt more reasons the haunted

mouse is one of my most favorite from the chuck

jones era is because at the and it has all different

ways of saying, and the music matches it. That

will actually be the last part of the outro that

I use. I will put in some of the other audio

that we've mentioned in between. I'll mix it

up between the intro and the outro, but I really

like that. That was really cool. I don't know

why I like Haunted Mouse so much. I think it's

just like, it's one of those cartoons, even though

it's not actually Jerry, it's his magician cousin

or whatever. clone or whatever. It's the fact

that they're getting one up on Tom. And I always

like the fact when Jerry can get one up on Tom.

Well, it seems like Tom always, I don't want

to say always loses, but especially in the earlier

ones, he's more the antagonist. You know, as

such, he has to be put in his place. Yes, very

much so. So we are going to be moving on to the

music segment. The theme for this show never

really changed. It's pretty much the same throughout

the entire, you know, two runs, because I'm not

mentioning the Dyche era, but the 1940s and then

the Chuck Jones stuff from 63 to 67. The intro

outro, general music... It's kind of like a Looney

Tunes thing where it's the same in each cartoon,

but I did look at some of the credits on the

Greatest Chases thing and also on the Chuck Jones

collection. The main person that did the music

in the Hanna -Barbera era was Scott Bradley,

and the Chuck Jones era was Eugene Podnanny or

Poddanny or I don't know how to... I don't know.

Not familiar. Yeah, not at all. But this, just

like Looney Tunes, the music matched the scene.

They basically wrote the music to you know to

the gags pretty much like I was saying earlier

with the haunted mouse you could hear Different

types of music as he's going down into Tom's

stomach and different types of sound effects

Dying over here Actually trying not to cough

because I can't mute the webcam Mike and we all

know how much you hate that so I do learn to

use mute. Yes, there is no I've been hacking

up along over here and I got my water bottle

and I'm just going to town and nobody knows because

well now they know you just told them well Anyways,

this is part of the magic of podcasting. Yes,

exactly Going into the legacy segment the reception

for this show in January 2009 IGN named Tom and

Jerry as the 66 best in the top 100 animated

TV shows in an interview found on the DVD releases

several mad TV cast members stated that Tom and

Jerry is one of their biggest influences for

slapstick comedy Tom and Jerry began appearing

in comic books in 1942 as one of the features

in Our Gang Comics in 1949 with MGM's live -action

Our Gang shorts having Seized Productions five

years earlier, the series was renamed Tom and

Jerry Comics. The pair continued to appear in

various books for the rest of the 20th century.

The pair have also appeared in numerous and a

number of video games, as well as spanning title

for systems from the Nintendo Entertainment System,

the Super NES, Nintendo 64, to more recent entries

for PlayStation 2, Xbox, and Nintendo GameCube.

I couldn't actually find a list of the actual

games, but... As far as the feature films now,

this is a very I'm probably just going to list

some of these I'm not gonna actually read all

of this copy that's in here I'm probably going

to mention the Tom and Jerry movie and then I'm

gonna go down to the home media stuff Actually,

I'll probably skip all the way down to the filmography

so October 1st October 1st, 1992 saw the first

international release of Tom and Jerry the movie,

when the film was released overseas to theaters

in Europe of that year and then domestically

by Miramax Films July 30th, 1993. Joseph Barbera,

co -creator of the character, served as the creative

consultant for the picture, which was produced

and directed by Phil Ronan. A musical film with

a structure similar to Metro -Goldwyn -Mayors,

Blockbuster's The Wizard of Oz and Singin' in

the Rain, the movie was criticized by reviewers

and audiences alike for being predictable and

for giving the pair dialogue and songs through

the entire movie. As a result, it failed at the

box office. Oh god, they sang? I don't know.

I haven't seen that movie in so long and I probably

won't. Ah, epic fail. Yeah. Uh, let me see here.

In 1988, the Dewar were lined up to appear in

the Oscar -winning touchstone Amblin Entertainment

film who framed Roger Rabbit, a homage to the

classic American animation. But their inclusion

in the film was scrapped due to legal complications.

Boo! Uh, it seemed like everybody else showed

up. Maybe, um, maybe they'll show up in the Roger

Rabbit sequel. Uh, they rumored, and... Well...

I think it's stewing, it's more than a rumor,

it's actually stewing now. Actually, I could

probably do without Bob Huskins. Well, now? He

was okay in the original, he wasn't... Well,

they kind of put him in there because nobody

else would do it, and then... Alright, we're

not going to get into that, but... Well, yeah,

we're not going to get into that, but anyway...

How can you do without Mario? But anyway... Anyways...

A moment of silence, please, for the departure

of, uh... Captain Lulef, I know, yeah, I... Uh

-huh? Uh, no, Captain... Dude, Mario! No, we're...

No, we're not doing... No, no, no, no, no. We're

not doing Mario. Moving right along. Yes, um...

I believe I mentioned that a couple episodes

ago. I'm not really sure if I did or not, but,

uh... As far as the home moody... Oh, home moody

-a. Home media. Moody? You're booting people

from home? No. You keep that ass in your pants,

sir. Oh god. Nobody wants to see that. No, no,

no. Not mooning. I said moodia, not media. Moodia.

Media. Not moon. Get your dirty mind for the

gutter. No. Anyways, there have been several

Tom and Jerry DVDs released in region one in

the United States and Canada, including the series

of two disc sets known as the Tom and Jerry Spotlight

Collection. There have been negative responses

to Volume 1 and Volume 2 due to some of the cartoons

included in each having cuts and re -dubbed Mammy

2 Shoes dialogue. A replacement program offering

uncut versions of the shorts on DVD was later

announced. There are also negative responses

to Volume 3 due to Mouse Cleaning and Casanova

Cat being excluded from these sets and his Mouse

Friday having an extremely zooming in towards

the end. There have been two Tom and Jerry DVD

sets in Region 2. Oh, I don't care about Region

2. Tom and Jerry The Classic Collection is available

in six double -sided DVDs issued in the... Oh,

God. The United Kingdom. Jesus Christ. All right.

As far as... They're world -renowned. Yes. Everybody

loves them regardless of country of origin, race,

gender. They, uh... As far as the notable shorts,

the following cartoons won the Academy Award

Oscar for best short subject cartoons. Yankee

Doodle Mouse, Mouse Trouble, Quiet Please, The

Cat Concerto, Little Orphan, The Two Mouseketeers,

and Johan Mouse. I never liked Johan Mouse. Never

liked that cartoon. I don't remember Johan Mouse.

It's basically this composer. Actually owns Jerry

and every time the composer plays his piano Jerry

will sing and dance or well he will he will dance

along with the music and of course Tom tries

to catch him but Jerry always stops as soon as

the the composer stops playing the piano These

cartoons were nominated for the Academy Award

for best short subject cartoon, but did not win

Puss gets the boot the night before Christmas.

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mouse, that's a travesty.

Hatch up your trouble, Jerry's cousin, and Touche

Pussycat. That was the other one! With um...

With Nibbles, with the musketeer thing. Yeah,

yeah. He's like in the um... Touche! In the sewer,

and Tom Wayne's on the thing, and he's like,

he sticks his little sword in his ass, Touche!

as far as the television shows there was the

Tom and Jerry show ABC 1975 the Tom and Jerry

comedy show CBS 1980 to 1982 Tom and Jerry kids

Fox 1990 to 1993 and Tom and Jerry tales the

CW 2006 to 2008 the legacy. There's also Tom

and Jerry Warner Brothers Family Entertainment

TBA which I saw something about it. It was slated

to be out 2012 I think You know, they're gonna

come out with some like live -action CGI crap

closely akin to Heathcliff or Garfield Garfield

I wouldn't mind if it was CGI, if it was like

the TMNT movie. That would be kind of cool. To

see them kind of like 3D. It would be kind of

cool. I know it's kind of going against type.

But the direct -to -video films. Now I have one

of these. There are four of them. Tom and Jerry

and the Magic Ring. I've seen this on HBO multiple

times. I need to find this on DVD. I like that

one. That was pretty cool. Yeah, Blast Off to

Mars, The Fast and the Furry, and Shiver Me Whiskers.

That was a take on the recent Disney Pirates

of the Caribbean success. Yes, and of course,

The Fast and the Furry was a take off of Fast

and the Furious. I have Fast and the Furry. With

Vin Diesel as Butch. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah.

I have. I would think it would be cool. Oh yeah,

I don't know, I don't know. I have the Fast and

the Furry and one of the reasons, I don't know,

I just like it because it's, again, it's them,

it's more of, you know, they're not really updated,

they're almost taken back to their classic, their

classic look as far as the 1940s type stuff.

It's just really super cool. One of the things

that I noticed about this when I was watching

the Tom and Jerry Chuck Jones collection, I noticed

in a lot of the water episodes or the episodes

that happen where they're on the docks, Tom always

gets chased or eaten by sharks. Well, in The

Fast and the Fury, there's a leg of the great

or the amazing super race. that takes place underwater

from Antarctica to Australia and there are three

sharks that end up chasing Tom in his car. Of

course. I don't know, it's a good little flick.

I don't know. Again, this is me shaking my head.

I know, it's not the classic Tom and Jerry, I

get it, I know. But it's not a total butchering,

it's not the Gene Deitch era, thank God for that.

So yes, and then of course you have Tom and Jerry

a nutcracker tale one or home video 2007 So we're

gonna go into the well, we're gonna go into the

closing but we're gonna go into final thoughts

What are your final thoughts on Tom and Jerry

sir? I kind of got to reiterate that that you

know, my favorite stuff was the early 1940s Shorts

where they were just truly vicious to each other

Occasionally coming to each other's aid, but

for the most part it's just, what evil things

can I do to you that'll look good in animation?

And we really haven't seen any of that in the

last 30 years, with the exception of Itchy and

Scratchy on The Simpsons. And they take it to

a whole new level. This is where you do see the

blood, and you do see... Truly horrific things

happening to these characters that doing them

to each other. Yes, exactly I mean it's like

Let's say, you know 30 years of Friday the 13th

all wrapped in the one It turned into a cat -and

-mouse game. Yes, you know, it's just just horrible

horrible things happening to in there And to

be honest, I like that a lot more than than I

would ever like Tom and Jerry Tales. Oh, I do

not endorse... First of all, hold on. Tom and

Jerry Kids was okay. Wasn't the best, I'm not

saying that. But Tom and Jerry Tales, I don't

even want to mention it on this show. But Tom

and Jerry Kids, I did like that because I grew

up with that, again, watching The Muppet Babies

and A Pup Named Scooby Doo and stuff like that.

That one was okay. So you will defend that, but

what I'm saying is that if I could get all of

the itchy and scratchy shorts, and they're only

a minute, maybe less than a minute long for the

most part, but over 20 years of the Simpsons

gathering up all the itchy and scratchy bits

and putting them on one CD, I would buy that.

Oh yeah, oh yeah. And actually, I need to bring

this up before we go into the outro here. You

made a comment to me. about a week and a half

ago saying that it's highly impossible that I

will get to episode 100 of Tooncast and you said

I should stop it at 75. Well I prove you wrong

sir I did get up to episode actually episode

100 will be Tooncast a look back it'll be basically

looking back on the previous 99 episodes and

hopefully I can get some of the guest hosts that

are going to be guest hosting with me throughout

the show's span of course that's not going to

happen for the two years. Hopefully episode 75

through 100 or 99 I should say will be complete

crap. Excuse me? Are you meaning complete crap

as far as audio quality or content? Because we've

covered a lot of good shows on this show. 75

good ideas is still 75 really good ideas, and

that's what you had and then you said oh I've

somehow came up with a hundred now I haven't

actually seen the list so I can't say Well, we're

gonna put this to bed right freaking now I'm

just saying. Regardless, it's still two years

away and we know that things change. You may

decide there's another podcast you'd rather invest

time in and this one is a little long in the

tooth after 50 odd episodes and you might want

to put it to bed early. We don't know. That could

be a year's off. I'm just saying. When I stick

to something I see if the song was supposed to

be how many episodes shut up It was supposed

to be 24 episodes. That was meant except that

file Don't even just don't even like That's fine,

whatever because it's it's been updated anyway

anyways Back to my point, back on your point

about Itchy and Scratchy. Itchy and Scratchy

will have a dedicated spot in episode 80. Episode

80 will be all about the symptoms. So literally

we have the complete Tooncast schedule up through

summer of 2011. And we literally have, oh god,

it looks like about six months worth of Disney

animation. You are killing me, sir. You are bitching

about classic Disney movies come on I picked

out some of the best ones and they're some of

my most favorite ones because they're the ones

If you had some Disney movies sprinkled here,

maybe like here's a Disney movie for 30 number

30 here's a Disney movie for number 42 and here's

Disney movie for 65 but to have Two dozen Disney

movies in a row that's a bit much and then we

have static shock in the zeta project and batman

beyond at the 95 96 97 hey hey hey that's that

okay first of all static shock is good batman

beyond is awesome the zeta project sucks Devastator

Balls that is the worst animated show ever I

thought it was kind of that was a spinoff of

batman beyond it is but Zeta and Stata, okay,

we're getting a whole other change. I will talk

to you about this off the air. What it comes

down to, I proved you wrong. No, I'm looking

at the list, and first of all, you've got two

dozen Disney animation movies that kind of look

like an afterthought to me, because it's two

dozen. I mean, you might as well, as of episode

80, change the name to the Disney Animation Podcast,

because that's been looking like - No! No, no,

no. You should just remember these a little bit,

and then sprinkle these out. No, because the

whole point is a spotlight, meaning a series

of films. A series of Disney films that I grew

up with. That's the whole point. And they're

only there for... what? Like you said, 12 episodes,

and then it starts the DCAU spotlight to finish

it out. But anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves

here. We'll be looking forward to that in September

of 2010! In the meantime, we'll suffer from the

gummy bears episode. Oh, shut up! Come on, man!

Oh, wait a minute, we have Clerks Uncensored.

That is the only time that I broke my rule as

far as the time restraint because Clerks Uncensored

Came out in 2000 and generally tuned past is

not supposed to go past 1999 is one of my favorite

movies and the animated series was really awesome

Yes, so anyway I'm happy that you came up with

a hundred episodes. I think they could be But

you're still gonna scrutinize it because you

think it could be different and anything could

be more sprinkled around and blah I know you

are but you know when you actually record a hundred

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