TaleSpin Review

Hello and welcome to the 17th episode of Tooncast

brought to you by the Geekcast Radio Network.

I'm your host TFG1Mike and joining me today is

Derek Ferguson from Better in the Dark on Earth2

.net. Hello! Hey Mike, how are you doing? How

are you doing, folks? I'm doing pretty good.

Yes, we're going to be talking about Tailspin

today. Yay! This is going to be one of the most

memorable 90s Disney themes that just gets stuck

in your head. We'll talk... Oh Leo, Tailspin,

oh Leo, yeah. One of the best ones, Next to the

Rescue Rangers. I like Tailspin. It all depends

on my mood, though, but I think Tailspin takes

the edge in favorite theme song. Yeah, I would

argue Darkwing Duck, but whatever. Oh, yeah,

well, let's get dangerous. I mean, you know,

yeah. I mean, they were all good out of that

whole Disney afternoon block of cartoons that

they had. They all were good, really. And that's

actually what got Tunecast started. My friend

Mike Dodd over at This Week in Geek, he and his

podcasting people did an episode of their show.

just on the disney afternoon talking about all

of the cartoons within like an hour and that's

actually what got the idea for to cast going

so okay you know well technically or up to eighteen

episodes now uh... and uh... You know so that

works we've done a lot of we've covered a lot

of ground since we started And how are you and

how do you enjoy so far this podcast because

I've been doing it for two years And it's still

you know like blowing my mind that people actually

listen You know I mean really our podcast you

know really you don't you think that nobody's

listening to it And then you know you get responses

from people and you say oh wow well I guess people

are listening to it Yeah, I've been doing it

since December of last year is when I started

and You know at first I was like, you know, I

was pretty much like a deer in a headlights like

oh wow This is almost like real radio So I have

to like be really professional and then I just

said screw it and I'm just gonna be you know

Really calm and just you know, I really don't

care uh... should let you know that we we are

explicit so if you want to curse you don't have

to worry about that okay fine you know you know

but yeah but i understand exactly what you mean

when you talk about the deer in the headlight

things because when me and tom deejay me and

my partner when we started doing our podcast

i was like very stiff and formal and watching

what i said and everything like that when i listen

to it afterwards i said well that's no fun it

wasn't any fun for me and i know it wasn't any

fun for the people listening and it wasn't any

fun for tom and then We started treating it more

as just a dialogue, like you're just talking

to people. And then that's when it started to

click for us. Exactly. Oh, yeah. I completely

agree with that. And I think that was once I

finished TFG -1, because I actually sped that

up. And most people already know this, but I

actually sped that show up. It was originally

supposed to run two years. I sped it up, and

I finished it in six months, because Steve and

I had had all these other ideas for other shows.

Oh, OK. You know yeah, and and now that I've

you know I don't know I I've done the math I

probably have close to I don't know 60 70 episodes

of Just total shows under my belt, and I prefer

the you know more relaxed laid -back conversation

I'm not the type of person that watches time

So if an episode goes two hours, it goes two

hours. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I mean, it

just depends on what we have to say about whatever

the topic is. Yeah, me and Tom are pretty much

like that better in the dark, too. We got some

people that were complaining about, because we

did an episode on Batman, where we covered the

movies. And that ran about like two hours. And

like I said to the people that was complaining,

I said, well, you know something? You don't have

to listen to the whole two hours all at one time.

Yeah, exactly. You can listen to some of it.

and then go do whatever you gotta do in your

real life and then come back later and listen

to the rest. I mean, just because we sat up here

for two hours recording doesn't mean you have

to listen to it for the whole two hours all at

one time, you know? Yeah, but I agree with you

100%. I mean, you see where it takes you because

as you're talking, things come to your head and

you remember things and stuff like that and you

say, okay, well, let me put this in, let me put

that in. And yeah, each episode, you know, takes

as much time as it takes. But there are some

podcasters out there that that will you know

will watch the time i mean a on some of the so

that will do it just because i really don't have

that much to say but you know there's some of

the so there are some podcasters that will be

like okay well we need to keep it to our maybe

a few minutes after an hour and that's it and

i'm here and people you know people that listen

because i you know i was a podcast list right

after started out listening to uh... world's

finest podcast by michael david sense worth your

time all year here wonderful part and uh... james

doe so i mean But see I like the longer episodes

because it's more content from you know, whoever

I'm listening to but then yeah Just a couple

of quick programming notes Steve my co -host

had looked up the the subscribers from iTunes

and tooncast as of September 30th has 44 subscribers

so yay Yay, and we do have I think we have nothing

but positive Feedback on iTunes as far as just

the just the rating. I think we have five stars.

I don't know I mean it really doesn't it really

doesn't matter to me really. I mean honestly

I'm glad that people are liking the show stop

lying It matters But I'm not like overly obsessive

about it. I'm not like you know you know each

time i go through an outro i will say you know

hey you know there's you know that there's a

way you can help us out go over to itunes leave

us feedback leave us reviews if you want to you

know yeah so but i mean i mean that's just the

way you know word of mouth is the best way to

get stuff out about these things oh absolutely

because that's how anytime anybody gets in touch

with me and tom about you know you know like

I always ask them, well, how did you find out

about our podcast? And they'll say, oh, well,

I heard it from somebody else. A friend of mine

recommended it to me. So yeah, word of mouth

is, to me, the best advertising that you can

get. Because if you have a friend tell you, OK,

you should listen to this, what are you going

to do? You're naturally going to listen to it.

I actually have to listen to your old show. I

haven't yet. I've just got so much going on with

running like six of my own shows at once Listen,

hey, don't worry about I understand. I mean,

you know what? I don't get all bent out of shape

You know what? I really haven't listened to you.

Well, yeah, because you're probably busy I mean

people do have a lot to do, you know But when

you do get a chance after we finish doing this,

go listen to it. Insert shameless plug here.

Yeah, exactly. Go listen to Better in the Dark.

Now, you guys are on iTunes, right? Because that's

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OK, because that's mainly where I get my podcasts

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ahead We that we we've only been on on earth

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be moving on to today's topic. We will be right

back After the history lesson, for episode 17

we travel back to 1990 with Tailspin. Tailspin

is a half hour American animated television series

that first aired in 1990 as part of Disney Afternoon

with characters adapted from Disney's 1967 animated

feature The Jungle Book. The name of the show

is a play on TAILspin, the rapid descent of an

aircraft in a steep spiral. Let's see here. After

a preview of the Disney afternoon that aired

on the Disney Channel in early May 1990, the

series began its first run September of that

same year. The original concept was embodied

in the introductory television movie, Plunder

and Lightning, which is nominated for an Emmy

Award for Outstanding Animated Program. And well,

deservedly so, because Plunder and Lightning.

You know, and I remember actually seeing it when

it was aired, the two hour. movie version it

came on one Saturday afternoon as far as I know

and I was hoping maybe that you could tell me

this as far as I've been able to find out it

was only aired that one time right as the as

the two -hour feature right and then it was cut

up into the four half -hour episodes you know

that would run for like a whole week you know

well the regular thing well that's the thing

you know you can show Okay, the best example

I can give you is the He -Man and She -Ra crossover

movie introducing She -Ra The Secret of the Sword.

Okay. That was a full 100 minute cut -together

film of the first five episodes of She -Ra. if

you go and you know again this is shameless plug

time if you go over to earth2 .net look at episode

261 of earth2 .net the show Michael and his then

girlfriend Jenny they reviewed it but they reviewed

it as episodic and the thing with this with plunder

and lightning is what I think what they were

what they probably were trying to do is that

And once they showed it as a two hour, they're

like, OK, well, we need to get more showings

of this out. And we don't want to have people

sit there for two hours. So we'll break it up

into four different parts, put it to be continued

at the end of each one so people have to come

back the next afternoon to watch the next part.

Yeah, but that stinks because I've heard that

they like edited out You know like quite a bit

in order to make it fit into that half hour Oh,

you know time frame which is really ashamed because

that's what hooked me on tailspin because plundered

lightning Even if that had been like a live -action

thing. I still you know I mean it would have

been a terrific. I mean it's such a good story.

It's terrific Animated or if they did it in live

-action. It was just a terrific adventure story

and tailspin couldn't have had a better way to

kick off the series than with plunder and lightning

oh yeah I mean I completely agree I was you know

before we started recording this i you know i

went back to you to know what some of it and

it's just the it's a great story it's a great

way to introduce the characters i think they

did a really nice job of updating the jungle

book characters because i know that uh... to

the double characters are brought over which

is below the bear and louis the orangutan uh...

and they're portrayed as as as friends and tailspin

whereas in the jungle book they were pretty much

enemies so it's nice to I always find it really

refreshing seeing characters that you know from

one thing in something else that you completely

didn't see them in. That you didn't see them

in that situation. Well I'll be honest with you,

I've seen the Jungle Book maybe once or twice

and that was so long ago. I hardly remember,

I remember it because Phil Harris, well of course

I love Phil Harris, you know, who did The Voice.

of Baloo the Bear in it and the only thing I

can remember is like that musical number I want

to talk like you or something like that but I

actually don't remember a whole lot about the

movie so when I started watching Tailspin I knew

these characters were from the Jungle Book but

it was really like I was being introduced to

new characters I'd never seen before. Right,

right. Let's see where it is. Yeah, and as we

said it was later, you know plunderingly it was

later re -edited into four half -hour episodes

for reruns. The show was often seen either on

its own half -hour show or as part of the two

-hour syndicated series The Disney Afternoon.

Talespin ended its 65th episode which ran in

1991. However reruns continued to be shown on

the Disney Afternoon until September 1994. Afterwards

it was moved to Disney Channel and later to Toon

Disney where it was first aired from April 1998

until January 2006 later. Later from January

07 to May 08 and that is the history lesson,

which is where I was watching it obsessively

Yeah, cuz to Disney and you know what they would

run it like in the afternoon Like 1 o 'clock

in the afternoon and then like 1 o 'clock in

the morning. Yep And my wife would say, you have

a DVR. Why don't you just record the damn thing?

Well, I said, well, I'm up anyway. Because usually,

since I'm a writer, that's my best time to write,

late at night. So I'm usually up anywhere at

that time of night. Anyways, I said, well, why

not watch tailspin? She'd just shake her head

and go to bed. So we are going to move on to

the general memories segment. right now as a

you know 29 year old almost 30 year old guy I

honestly until I watched it on YouTube I barely

remembered this show past the theme and some

of the characters now I remember watching it

when it was on you know the Disney afternoon

and stuff like that and I kind of fell into the

whole Toon Disney slash Jet X Disney XD whatever

the hell you want to call the network now yeah

I fell into that kind of late, so I caught the

tail end of tailspin at just going off of Toon

Disney when they were pulling off all the 90s

Disney cartoons. Well, it's not Toon Disney anymore.

They changed it to XD. And really now, they might

as well call it the Marvel superhero channel.

That's true. yeah because they've got what they

got spider -man fantastic four they've even got

the the fox silver surfer yeah cartoon on there

yeah yeah yeah but i mean at the time like back

in 06 and 07 it was still tuned disney and i

don't think the jet x thing had come in until

mid of 2007 but back then i was just you know

coming in on the on the tail end of it and uh

like i said and just didn't um just Just didn't

really pay any attention to it, but when I you

know When I was you know 14 15 watching it I

you know I I was ready to watch every episode

every day. Oh, yeah Yeah, just a really really

great show and since me cuz I'm a big fan of

like 1930s 40s, you know Action adventure because

I'm a big Doc Savage fan the shadow g8 and his

battle aces and Saturday morning serials And

you know that whole genre so you know like tailspin

was like right up my I said oh wow I said you

know talking animals in the night vaguely 1940

setting you know flying planes and air pirates

and stuff like that I said well damn what's not

to like Yeah, oh yeah, very very much so see

tailspin for me for the setting you know the

1930s 1940s kind of like you know action serial

type of deal it it has that feel but it also

has a futuristic type of feel because it's not

like I Don't remember the city of Cape Suzette

being like stuck back in that era Like yeah,

like the characters were were dressed that way

from that era but you know the cars and all that

stuff it wasn't like outside of the sea duck

it wasn't um it wasn't that era of a vehicle

as far as i remember of course my memory is kind

of vague sometimes but um all right well do we

that's the thing about uh art deco that type

of architecture which is what makes it so cool

is that you know even back then in the thirties

everybody loved because it did look futuristic

and even when you do it like now today you have

it in a movie yeah it's retro but it also does

look kind of futuristic and that's what gave

you know uh... cape suzette that unique look

because yeah you looked at it you said you automatically

thought okay vaguely nineteen thirties and forties

but it also seemed kind of futuristic at the

same time very very much so All right, I think

we can move on to the characters and voice actors.

A lot of these characters are really, really

cool. First up, you have Blue, who is voiced

by Ed Gilbert, who I don't think that's the same

voice actor as the movie. No, no. That was the

great Phil Harris. I know that, mainly because

I'm a Phil Harris fan. See, at first I thought

that they were the same voice because it did

sound, you know, Ed Gilbert's version sound reminded

me a lot of the Jungle Book. And I actually have

the Jungle Book 40th Anniversary Platinum Disney

whatever DVD and the other. I just haven't watched

it in a while. So Blue is primarily based on

a Sloth Bear from the Disney. book but with a

flight cap and yellow shirt and four -fingered

hands instead of his jungle book counterparts

claws quite a couple of times in the episodes

he will make mention to bare necessities although

lazy, sloppish, unreliable, and always broke

he is also an excellent pilot capable of most

daring maneuvers in the air and the courage to

do them I liked Baloo in this he again it was

something that you wouldn't normally see him

in I mean who would have thought a bear could

fly? Yeah yeah and especially fly as well as

he can because I love it every once in a while

they'll have a scene you know in the show where

Baloo gets a chance to show exactly why he's

such a good because he is. The bear can fly his

ass off especially when he gets pissed off you

know and he does these amazing things with that

plane he's not supposed to be able to do and

you know All in all, he's just a very good character

because, yeah, he's kind of like the standard

action -adventure type of hero. You know, he's

laid back, he's cool, under pressure. You know,

he knows his way around all these fantastic places

that he goes to. And it's really just enjoyable

seeing a bear do this stuff. It is. Yeah. Oh,

yeah. Very, very much so. You know, I completely

agree. The next character up for the heroes we

have Kit Cloud Kicker who is voiced by RJ Williams

and then Alan Roberts, an orphan brown bear who

stands at little less than half blue size and

a former member of the Air Pirates. In flight

school, confidential, his age is established

as 12 years old. He typically wears a blue baseball

cap with a red brim and a well -worn green sweater.

He is skilled at cloud surfing which is the act

of riding on telescoping metal foil wing he possesses

using a rope attached to it. a plane to maintain

lift. He sometimes would fly the foil independently

as well which he could glide but wasn't able

to keep sustained flight. Kit is basically, you

know, as we've said this is basically the jungle

book in the 1930s and 40s is basically what it

is because you have you have blue Louis and Cher

Khan who all came from the Jungle Book Kit is

actually meant to be a Mowgli type of character

Okay, because he's you know he's always looking

up to Baloo Baloo is always calling him little

britches like he did with Mowgli in the movie

and and Kit calls him Papa bear like Mowgli did

to Baloo in the movie so it that They were pretty

much trying I think even though the idea is original

with having you know the Air Pirates and the

planes and the city and all that stuff They were

pretty much trying to update the jungle book

for television I think with this with this series,

but you know what I really like about their relationship

is that okay when You first start watching the

show you think that okay? Well, this is the hero

blue is a hero and kit That's his kid sidekick

and actually it's not like that in a lot of ways

did like equal partners, right? And there are

even some times where it's almost like Kit is

the adult and Baloo is the child. Oh, right.

Well, in the first episode, or in the two hour

movie, Plunder and Lightning, when Kit is at

Baloo's little place there, he says, You know

you have all these outstanding bills aren't you

gonna pay them? Oh, they'll yeah or they'll give

me another week or you know so so yeah I mean

it's the whole you know the kid becomes the parent

type of deal or And that's why I enjoy watching

their interaction so much like I said It's not

like kid is a kid psychic. He's more like an

equal partner right you know Exactly next up

we have Rebecca Cunningham. Oh my god. It was

voiced by Sally Struthers. I did not know that

holy crap Wow. You didn't know that? It's been

so long since I've actually seen this show. And

I didn't put two and two together until I got

the information for the show. And you know something?

I remember that when I was watching. And I knew

that voice. It was driving me crazy. And one

day my wife walked past. And she said, oh, that's

Sally Struthers. I said, and then it hit me.

I said, oh my god, that is Sally Struthers. Yeah.

A petite brown bear with long brunette hair,

styled and crossed between a medieval 1930s -40s

hairdo, usually wears a white turtleneck sweater

and purple -red jacket and matching slacks. Nicknamed

Becky Becker's Beck, used only once in an episode

of Star is Torn, and or B .C. used once in War

of the Weirds by Baloo, which at first she highly

resented being called, but soon grew accustomed

to it with affection. In return, she calls him

Flyboy on occasion. Assured businesswoman with

a MBA, she bought out Ballou's air service and

his plane in the first episode when the pilot

failed to pay his bank loan and renamed it Hire

for Hire. Bright and unassuming attractive, her

ambitions and penchant for recklessness has caused

trouble for the company at times, such as in

a touch of glass when she cashed the SeaDuck's

insurance policy to pay for expensive ads targeted

at ad -fluent clientele. Um, I really didn't.

At first, when we first meet her, I was like,

okay, she can just jump off the dock. You know

why I think that is? And yeah, I know something,

you're right, because I felt the same way. But

if you notice, as the series gets on, because

you know that recklessness only comes out through

her continued association with Baloo. That's

true. Because at first, yeah, like you said,

she's very reserved. She's very laid back. She's

got to stick up her ass. And you know, she's

going to run this as a business. And she doesn't

want any monkey business. And Blue can't do this.

And he can't do that. He can't do it. But as

the series progresses, and she works with him

more and more and more, it's like his recklessness

starts to infect her. Yep. Like when she gets

the pig for that truffle, that crazy truffle

hunting scheme, she's going to get rich off her,

you know, hunting truffles. Yep. See that's a

balloon would do that's not the Becky that we

first meet would do you know? But by now she's

been with balloon for a while, so she says well.

Why not get rich quick? Well, I mean like I said

you know she at first she comes off. I guess

you could say as a prude you know and You just

want to choke the hell out of her But it's this

you know as you said that as the series progresses

We come to like her more because she mellows

out a little bit yeah And then the next character

up is her daughter, Molly Cunningham, voiced

by Janna Michaels, Rebecca's yellow -furred preschool

-aged daughter, an adventurous child who even

at six years old is not afraid to speak her mind

just like her mother. Molly has a thing for her

favorite ice cream brand, Frosty Pep. Sometimes

pretend she is Danger Woman, the action -adventure

heroine of the popular kids' radio program at

the time. While Seeking Adventure along with

Kit and Baloo can be clever on her feet when

it comes to outing the bad guys in episodes Molly

Cuddled and Flight of the Snow Duck, her middle

name is Elizabeth and only character in the series

to actually have one, revealed in Mommy for a

Day. Mainly totes around her favorite doll, Lucy.

No mention is ever made of Molly's father as

series creator. Jen Magoon reportedly said that

Rebecca is a widow although in 1998 US fan convention

Q &A online chat He did state that a roundabout

tones that she is actually divorced as originally

written in the first tailspin press release Molly

is basically kits sidekick, you know like you

were saying that that that kitten blue are pretty

much equal partners She is the sidekick character

for the show and also she fulfills a necessary

role in that because with Molly now you've completed

the family structure because you've got Baloo

and you've got Rebecca who are like the bickering

parents and you have Kit who's like you know

the little brother and Molly she's a little sister

with and I guess you could have Wildcat as the

eccentric uncle and Louie is the fun -loving

uncle that lets you stay up late and eat all

the stuff you're not supposed to eat so it's

a nice little family group that they've got in

the end molly completes it because you know everybody

of course she's too cute for words and everybody

loves her and you know they all when molly comes

on the streets like all or you know uh... yeah

most definitely uh... but there's one thing i

want to touch on when you were mentioning about

that uh... the uh... when they said that rebecca

was divorce And then they change it to be a widow.

I've read in a couple of places that, yeah, Disney

did ask the producers and writers to change that

divorce thing. Because that's how she really

was written. And they were planning on bringing

her divorced husband in at some point. But they

said, no, you've got to change that. Because

they didn't want the whole divorce thing. They

didn't even want that word mentioned on a Disney

show. Oh, yeah. Well, that's the same thing.

With with like say spider -man in the 1994 series,

you know They could not use any kind of negative

tones as far as because Fox was censoring the

Fox got censored the hell out of stuff in the

90s But they couldn't use death kill anything

At all in that show, but you know, it's the same

thing here You know, and of course, you know

Disney wants to you know come out, you know,

the shiny gold nickel I guess you could say And

then finally for the Hire for Hire crew, because

Louis is classified as supporting characters.

The final crew member is the Wildcat, voiced

by Pat Fraley, a clueless and gangly lion who

typically wears a mechanics outfit. He once said

in a comical line about having a special suit

for his birthday. Officially the hire -for -hire

mechanic, actual intelligence is not his forte,

but he is extremely adept at fixing devices and

has childlike innocence to his genial nature.

His brilliance at anything mechanical allows

him to fix smashed -up telephones in under 10

seconds, and he is one of the few people in the

entire Taleson universe who can build an overdrive

for airplanes. He has something of a lisp and

somewhat resembles Tigger of the Winnie the Pooh

series. I didn't really feel either way about

Wildcat. I didn't really like him, but I didn't

really hate him either. He was just there as

a background character. Well, occasionally Wildcat

stood out, because there was one episode I remember.

It was him and Molly had their own adventure

together, because she had never seen snow. And

Wildcat took the sea duck and flew her to Fimbria.

So she could, you know, finally see snow. And

they had an adventure of their own. And if two

more unlikely characters in the tailspin universe

would go off to have an adventure together, it's

Wildcat and Molly. But it really was a good episode.

But the one I really like with Wildcat is one

where him and Baloo, they actually get trapped

in an upside down pyramid that's buried in the

desert. And it's because of Wildcat's wonky backwards

thinking. that he looks at the world in a unique

way. That's how he was able to help Baloo, him

and Baloo escape from this upside down pyramid.

You know, because Baloo of course couldn't make

sense out of it because it's upside down. It's

a pyramid. But Wildcat navigated it with no problem.

And to me it says something about that he's not

necessarily slow or, you know, he's not intelligent.

He's just got a skewed way of looking at the

world that everybody else doesn't have. Yeah,

and I agree with that. I all as I'm saying is

you know for the most Most of the episodes outside

of the ones that you're talking about He is basically

just just the mechanic who is just just there

to to see the sea duck off on its adventures

And I never really I never really got attached

to that character Well, yeah, that's true. Because

yeah, like you said, I think that maybe it's

only like two or three episodes that I can remember.

Those two I definitely remember out of it, the

one with him and Molly and the one with the Upside

Down Pyramid that really showcased Wildcat. But

yeah, like you said, usually in a typical episode,

he would come in, say something funny, and then

he was gone. Right, right. And you know, that

was it. And we wouldn't see him anymore that

episode. Yep. uh... moving on to the air pirates

now outside of the leader don carnage i do not

remember any of these characters so if you want

to chime in on any of the other characters after

we talk about don carnage feel free to because

all of the air pirates outside of him just seem

like secondary characters that you just don't

remember maybe it's that i haven't watched the

show over and over again for for a few years

or whatever but i just i when i was getting the

research for this i don't remember any of these

these supporting pirates yeah i remember them

yeah yeah they had the one it was one of them

that you never heard what he said he always whispered

in don carnage's ear you know he would never

say out loud what he was talking about and then

there was another one that was like a big weight

lifted type That spoke with a Dutch accent or

something like that, you know Yeah, he had like

a couple but except for them three the Empire

was pretty much like a generic gang Yeah, pretty

much So you have Don Carnage, the leader of the

dreaded Air Pirates and commander of the massive

Jules Verne -inspired pirate airship, the Iron

Vulture. He is some sort of canine, but it is

not clear exactly what species he is. Jackal,

dingo, fox, and coyote are all popular theories.

Although the writers have stated that he is a

wolf, he has strong accent, but again, precisely

which country is difficult to tell, probably

a Spanish accent. In Plunder and Lightning, however,

he infiltrates Cape Suzette by posing as a gondola

rower and speaks briefly in Italian phrases,

a skilled pilot ruthlessly cunning with oversized

ego that makes him blunder with whatever scheme

or raid he conducts with his brigades and speaks

T and D as dental consonants rather than the

normal English. This character is just, he is

the comedy of the villains. He's just so funny

with the crap that he tries to pull. I love anything

that's got to do with Don Karnage Matter of fact,

they could have given Don Karnage his own show

and I would have watched it Yeah, that cat was

so you got to give him points for try he was

he was the wily coyote. Oh I mean because he

had all these plans and on the surface of it

you say you know something he might just pull

it off this time and he never did he never did

oh yeah very very much so he he was always getting

foiled by blue or kit or somebody or his own

self sometime his own ego which was the whole

thing about the character oh and i love this

accent because yeah like they said okay i i'd

never heard that the ricky ricardo thing but

now that you know you just mentioned it okay

I can see that because you never was sure where

the accent was coming from was it Spanish because

at times it sounded Spanish and like they said

at other times it sounded like it might be okay

he might be from Italy or some vaguely eastern

european country or you know you know it was

really sure what that accident was but i just

love hearing but uh... oh yeah we'll see now

that you had mentioned that and now that i had

mentioned about the root your car it's funny

now that i've read that out and i've seen that

in coming to mention that that was what the what

part of the basis was for him i want to see don

carter say lucy i'm home yeah yeah exactly uh...

exactly uh... a couple of the uh... Of the hench

pirates here you have Mad Dog who is voiced by

Charlie Adler. You have Dump Truck who is voiced

by Chuck McCann. Right, that was the big hulking

guy with the muscles, yeah. Okay. Alright, and

then you have Jibber who was the whispered by,

again, voiced by Chuck McCann, the pirate who

whispered into Carnage's air. He has never spoken

a word louder than his mumbles. He would appear

to be mildly competent but only by the standards

of the air pirates. Right, because you never

heard what he said out loud. He would always,

you know... You know, wiggle his finger and Dark

Carnage would bend down and he would whisper

in his ear. And he seemed to be the smartest

one out of all the air pirates. Whatever he whispered

to Dark Carnage, Dark Carnage did. He said, you

know something, you were right. And he would

go ahead and, you know, and he would go ahead

and do it. So it seemed to me like he was like

kind of, I think he was the mechanic too for

the Iron Vulture. That he was the one that kept

the Iron Vulture working. But don't quote me

on that. So yeah, those are pretty much the only

ones that I really remember out of this list.

I don't really remember any of the others as

we said. For the most part, the Air Pirates were

just secondary characters. Moving on here...

Well, let's face it, the only Air Pirate you

really cared about was Don Karnash. True. Let's

face it, that's the only one. At least that's

the only one that I cared about. Oh yeah, that's

very much so. Moving on to the other main villain

of the series, Khan Industries. Cher Khan, who

is voiced by Tony Jay now. I don't remember,

I'm gonna have to go look after we finish this

recording and see if Tony J was the original...

Wait, I don't know. He didn't... Excuse me. He

didn't talk in the Jungle Book, did he? Uh, you

got me, because like I said, I've seen the Jungle

Book, maybe, but that was so long ago, I really

don't remember much about it. But didn't all

the animals talk in it? Didn't they all talk?

Yeah, they did. Okay, I'm gonna have to go look

after the recording and see if Tony Jay is the

original voice actor or not, and I'll put a note

in at the end of the episode. Wasn't he a Black

Panther, though, in the Jungle Book? No, he was

the Bengal Tiger. The Black Panther was Bagheera.

Oh, okay, alright, okay. See like I said, that's

how long goes business. I watched it a Bengal

tiger who also appeared in the jungle book But

here stands upright and wears a business suit

is sometimes accompanied by an unnamed emancipated

Emanciated tiger yes a quote unquote. Yes, man

office aid Khan is an extremely wealthy businessman

who is the dominant economic force in Cape Suzette,

arrogant, dour, and humorless. He takes enjoyment

of running small companies out of business. Higher

for higher is sometimes on his hit list. And

there's like a whole, there's like two and a

half whole paragraphs about the character. I'm

not going to read them all. You know, this character,

sometimes he would team up with Don Carnage,

but then he would Realized better of himself

because because he's the type that they portray

share con in the series like he is like the upper

upper crust of the upper crust Well, he's the

Lex Luthor of you know, Craig Suzette. There

you go. Basically that's what I mean Really?

Yeah, like you said you don't really have to

read out the whole thing because all You guys

out there need to know about share con that don't

carnage is the comedy villain But share con is

the badass who you really don't want to fuck

with. Yeah, pretty much You know, he's not the

comedy villain. When he shows up, that means

that Baloo is seriously in trouble. I mean, like

the Air Pirates, Baloo doesn't take them all

that seriously. But when Sher Khan gets into

something, yeah, then you start worrying because

Sher Khan doesn't play around. He's definitely

not the comedy villain. Oh yeah, very, very much

so. He is basically, he will feed you to his

piranhas if you mess with him. Well he kept the

whole hot house full of flesh -eating plants.

You know, meat -eating plants. And he had his

own private army, and these guys definitely were

not screw -ups like the Air Pirates. These were

competent pilots. Oh yeah. Very much so I mean

he had he had his own army plus he had his own

police Honestly, I think he was you you could

almost say that he was the ruler of Cape Suzette

Yeah, and because he was the government there.

I mean, you know, he had those pilots He had

them for also the police force and everything

else anytime you saw a secondary character on

this show that was in that same type of like

gray and, you know, gray jacket type of uniform

with the Shere Khan logo on the side of the sleeve.

You knew it was either police, fire, EMS, something.

You know, I mean, he basically ran the town.

Yeah. And the relationship between him and Ballou

is interesting in that, you know, occasionally

Ballou and Shere Khan would work together. And

Blue, you know, he didn't go out of his way to

piss off the guy or anything like that, but yet

he didn't back down from him either. Right. Which

I think Shere Khan kind of respected about him

that, you know, okay, well this is one guy, you

know, is not intimidated by my money or my power

or anything like that, you know. And you get

the impression that Shere Khan respected him

on that level. Don Karnage, he looked at as a

complete joke. You know, he didn't take him seriously

at all. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And the final

character we need to bring up before we start

talking about the voice cast of this sh - show

is, of course, Louie, who is voiced by Jim Cummings,

also from the Jungle Book. He's a fun -loving

orangutan who wears a Hawaiian shirt and straw

hat and owns an island nightclub and motel, Louie's

Place, located near but outside the protection

of Cape Suzette. He is Baloo's best friend, not

the case in the Jungle Book, but sometimes can

be competitive with him when it comes to women

treasure hunting and on occasion in business

matters. His hold on the island is somewhat tenuous,

though through his own ingenuity and aid of his

friends, he has managed to avoid losing it in

Louie's last stand. You know, Louie in the Jungle

Book was very wacky out there, off the wall type

of thing, and the monkey scene in the Jungle

Book, I mean I remember a lot of the scenes from

the Jungle Book, the monkey scene was one of

the most hectic scenes ever. because it was a

big musical number and I started singing and

dancing and everything else and I don't actually

remember how many lines Louie actually spoke

as far as you know as far as not actually singing

but in this you know I think he plays a really

good best friend for Baloo Oh, yeah, yeah, and

you know I like I said, you know what I was saying

early when I was talking about how the characters

form like a Family unit, you know, I don't consider

Louie to be a supporting character at all I consider

him to be one of the main characters and One

of the rich this is one of the reason why I like

tailspin is that you really believe that they've

been friends to have a history that go back a

ways, you know, like, you know, like most animated

characters, you know It's like they just exist

at that moment and they didn't have a previous

Existence, but you believe that Baloo and Louie

had an existence that happened before this show

that we're watching All right, you know and I

mean there are even episodes when Baloo will

go into Louie's and you know or when they're

Actually, I remember this when that when they're

actually trying to plot to stop the the air pirates

or something or whatever You could basically

think of blue and louis as like private detectives

because when they're playing out they'll say

oh why don't we try this is what we did you know

16 years ago again against this guy yeah right

it's that type of it's that type of thing that

gives you the history between them because they've

been friends a very long time and they even had

an episode which is one of my favorite episodes

What was it for who the belt the food acclaimed

tolls where they're out in? Okay, it starts out

there in Fimbria and they're being chased by

a giant walrus and everything like that And it's

revealed that in their spare time. They like

to go treasure hunting You know, that's how they

relax, you know, they said, you know, let's go

off and they go of course They don't come back

with any treasure, but this is their way of going

off and spending time You know just the two of

them, you know, which I thought was really interesting

Movie who would you say is your favorite like

hero type character and favorite villain type

character? Oh Oh, well Don carnage is my favorite

villain. I mean even though share con is you

know more competent And like you said, he's got

all this going for him, like he's the de facto

ruler of Cape Suzette. Let's face it, share count

isn't that much fun to watch as Don Carnage.

Screw -ups are usually more fun to watch than

the guy who's got it all together. There's a

reason why we like, on Magnum PI, there's a reason

why we like it when Lance White showed up. What

was that the Rockford files remember right? Yeah,

I said magnet because it was the same guy that

played him Tom Selleck Yeah, but remember that

he would show up and play Lance White the private

detective Oh, yeah women in the cool car and

everything like that. Oh, yeah, but who do we

like more? We like Rockford. Yeah, so it's the

same thing here and yeah My favorite hero type

well again blue because I love that type of character

the you know the pilot Slash adventurer type

because this is a guy that just could get in

his plane and get up and go and you know Wherever

he's going he's going to have an interesting

exciting adventure, right? You know he's not

that you know the plane is like his magic carpet

It takes him you know wherever he wants to go

right I think for me you know I picked Don Carnage

for the villain, same reasons. It's just more

enjoyable to watch him screw up than it is Shere

Khan to feed his plants, his screw up employees.

For heroes, I'm probably going to go with Kit

because I've always wanted to either air surf

or skydive. Don't ask me why, I just have, and

I think that that was an awesome thing that they

had put into his character as far as being the

cloud surfer. uh... but you know i also you know

think that it's awesome you know you know for

blue as well so as far as the flying but uh...

and that was a pretty handy gizmo because i could

because i remember what a couple of occasions

can't even use it as a bullet yes he did that

was a pretty handy gizmo yet and he was he was

pretty good with it oh yeah uh... so moving into

the voice cast of voice cast for the show some

of these people Wow, I didn't even expect to

see. You know, of course you have Jim Cummings,

you have Ed Gilbert, Sally Struthers, RJ Williams.

Frank Welker is in the show as additional voices,

which majority of those are probably animal.

Is there a voice that Frank Welker doesn't do

in any animated series of the past 25 years?

I don't think so. That if you want to you can

go over to behind the voice actors comm that's

my coat my original clothes Kevin's He's part

of that website there and they have like voice

compare and they have like cast listings of anything

any You know voice actor has done as far as animation

goes Yeah, Frank Walker pretty much is the voice

acting God we've said that before on this show

Yeah, I think that after Mel blank. There's probably

not been a voice actor that has been so identified

with animation. Yeah. As Frank Welker. I mean,

like, yeah. I mean, if you look, I defy you to

look at any animated series of the past 25 years

and not see his name on there. Somewhere. Um,

well, the Marvel cartoons. Honestly. Okay, but

I mean I and I'm not trying to down the man is

but I was surprised for that I was really surprised

when I was doing the research for that that his

voice wasn't in those shows He's not next man.

He's not in spider -man. He's not an Iron Man.

I don't really Yeah, okay now see that surprises

me not even as additional voices He's not in

there because it's like some people that you

look at their names on and he said like Andrea

Romano the voice director right you know is there

uh... animated show which is not the voice director

that's another funny thing it's also become a

running gag on this show in our earlier episodes

like when we covered the nintendo cartoons we

covered boltron he man and all that stuff like

a lot of them more eighty stuff I was surprised

that she kept showing up as the voice director

of some of those shows. And you have to wonder,

well, are there any other voice directors in

animation other than Andrea Romano? I know, exactly.

But is this not a popular job to people? Does

she have like a hit squad that whacks off anybody

else that wants to be a voice director? uh...

uh... other notable voices again pat fraley who

played wildcat charles addler who did uh... mad

dog uh... one of the air parts uh... i'm based

i mainly know him as buster bunny and i believe

he also did the voice for star scream and transformers

animated again tony j with share con down here

on the second page we have a bunch of bunch of

just great voice actors but just in weird off

-the -wall character you have cory burton as

mr sultan who or sultan or whatever you want

to call him who cory burton is the voice of a

lot of things mainly g1 shock generation one

transformer shockwave and animated transformers

animated shockwave but these a lot of other stuff

but those are the to that pop off my head you

have homer simpson is doctors of all though and

uh... and clark who played additional voices

most of you will know cam clark is leonardo from

nineteen eighty seven uh... total series Let's

see, Debbie Derryberry. Oh my god, Jimmy Neutron

is in this as additional voice. You know that's

got to be a real name. That is a real name. Debbie

Derryberry. Yeah. And then you have... Oh, Phil

Hartman. I see Phil Hartman did a voice. Okay.

East London, yeah. And then Dan Gilvazan did

additional voices. Robert Ito? Yep. uh... marisa

marsh who's another name that you always you

know you turn on an animated show when you look

at the name his name is on there somewhere oh

yeah very much so uh... you had it always really

surprises me where this at this actress pops

up because it's very weird for me to see her

outside of first bueller as the uh... as the

secretary of eddie mcclurg as additional voices

i don't know what additional voices she sheep

supplied but Mm -hmm, and then Alan Oppenheimer

who was the principal? Okay, most people know

Alan as Skeletor from He -Man Mm -hmm Peter Rennaday

did additional voices. I know him from some I

know him from a couple other cartoons that we've

covered Neil Ross mostly I know him from he did

some voices in Transformers. He was the he did

the main voice for Keith in Voltron let's see

who else um... not really bj ward she was in

voltron alan young who is he? uh... well he was

the voice of scrooge mcduck oh scrooge mc oh

yeah yeah alan young it's been all your room

young man you should know that uh... uh... should

go better uh... it's so we're going to move on

to the behind -the -scenes segment uh... series

was produced by jim magnum or magin uh... marks

as love and and it was directed by larry latham

some writers on the show Outside of Dwayne Capasi,

who I know wrote some of the Batman series. Yeah,

Dwayne Capasi. What's that, Zaslav? Yeah, I recognize

that name too. There really isn't any other notable...

You know, for the people that were writing this

show, again, great stories, I thought. You know,

great involved stories. Tailspin is a show, and

we can talk about this once we get to the actual

show part, but I mean, it was a show that pretty

much brought you in for 30 minutes and didn't

let you... It was like you were afraid to go

to the bathroom until you saw the end of the

show. Oh yeah. Yeah, most definitely. I mean,

because... Back then when it first hit, I think

we had VCRs and stuff like that. We didn't have

DVRs now, so if you're watching now, you can

pause it and go to the bathroom. You would put

off going to the bathroom until, like you said,

unless the bathroom was right there, you could

run in, take care of your business, and come

back, because you didn't want to miss anything.

Yeah, very, very much so. Especially when they

did the episodes. that was straight action adventure

as opposed to like the ones that were like light

comedy or screwball comedy or whatever but they

did have a considerable amount of episodes that

were just straight action adventure. Oh yes,

a majority of them were actually. So going into

the actual show, the synopsis for it, Tailspin

is set in the fictional city of Cape Suzette,

a pun on the pancake dish, Crepe Suzette, a harbor

town protected by giant cliffs through which

only a small opening exists. The opening in the

cliffs is guarded by anti -aircraft artillery.

uh... preventing flying rabble rousers on air

pirates from in or air parts of entering the

city uh... now that i think about the the artillery

at the two peaks of this uh... giant mountain

or cliff or whatever you want to call it you

know that this city is run by sharecon because

nobody else nobody else would put that kind of

defense up like yeah exactly i mean these big

huge honking Those are the guns of Navarone basically

that he's got protected as plates. Yep, the time

frame of the series is never specifically addressed

but appears to be in the mid to late 1930s. The

helicopter and jet engine are experimental devices

and most architecture is reminiscent of the art

deco style of that period. The quote -unquote

great war ended nearly 20 years ago and radio

is the primary mass medium. The series centered

on adventures of bush pilot Baloo the bear whose

air cargo freight business is purchased by Rebecca

Cunningham upon his default on an on delinquent

bills with the bank and renamed hire for hire

an orphan boy former air pirate The ambitious

kit cloud kicker attaches to balloon becomes

his navigator And again, I mean, you know people

know the gist of this show So I'm not gonna read

through the whole the whole synopsis of it Just

you know what? Like I said before and like we've

both said today. It's just it had awesome stories.

It had a story for almost everybody Every type

of personality that you could think of Yeah,

everybody uh, I mean Okay, as I was saying earlier

if you recall You know the 1930 40 serials, even

if you've never seen them or heard, you know

You've heard of them So this is what it was like

like I remember every time that he cut to the

commercial it would end on a cliffhanger. Yeah

Which is why you didn't want to miss it because

you wanted to see how blue or whoever would get

out of whatever You know trap they were in or

cliffhanging traps. I mean, you know this Of

course, this is like one of those series because

we had Raiders of the Lost Ark and once that

came out we had that whole big boom of TV shows

that were inspired by Raiders of the Lost Ark,

which in turn was inspired by these film serials.

Like I remember CBS had Bring Her Back Alive

with Bruce Boxleitner, which was about the adventures

of the real -life big game hunter Frank Buck.

You had Gavilan on NBC with Robert Urick where

he played a former spy slash oceanographer. You

had Tales of the Gold Monkey, which most people

will say if you ask them, Talespin is an unofficial

remake of that show. Yeah, that kind of brings

it into the trivia part of the show here You

know the series is as you said was based on a

live -action television program titled tales

of the golden tales of the gold monkey Which

aired on ABC during the 1982 1983 season and

it's funny because I just saw I'm gonna have

to look it up again I may actually do it right

now I just saw an article on TV shows on DVD

about possibly getting tales of the gold monkey

on DVD I don't know if it's actually true. I'm

going to look it up here. Well, fans of the show,

like me, for instance, have been begging for

it for years. Because it was a great show. I

mean, it was good. And if you look at it side

by side, like a lot of people either didn't see

Tales of the Gold Monkey, and then they saw Tales

Fed. So when you tell them that it's an unofficial

remake of that, they don't know what you're talking

about. Because they've never seen Tales from

the Gold Monkey. But the similarities are there

so much that Disney can't convince me that, well,

this is just coincidence, or it's a no, no, no.

Somebody loved Tales of the Gold Monkey and wanted

to do it as this cartoon serial, which they did.

Right. Very, very much so. Also. As we've said

before, Blue, Shere Khan, and Louis are updated

versions of their jungle book selves. The most

notable thing is that they are wearing clothes

in this series. It currently does not have DVDs

as far as Tales of the Gold Monkey. The latest

story is that says the title of it is Tells the

gold monkey could a tweet from a show star Steven

Collins mean DVDs are moving forward Important

update no studio confirmation, but a Twitter

post from Jake cutter says he is recording extras

So it you know and TV shows on DVD calm is a

great place to look for stuff like that And they

are the type of people that will not report news

until they get a you know until they get a confirmation

or until they get positive You know, you know

confirmations from you know more than one source

because you know fake rumors that have happened

before oh yeah we all know how people on the

internet love to start rumors oh yes uh... one

bit of trivia i do have to mention is jim cummings

did the most male voices for this show with nearly

forty different voices in all so yeah go dark

wing duck Cloud Kicker's height is 3 '9". Didn't

know that. The series was originally going to

feature Launch Pad from DuckTales, 1987 as main

character, although the main character was changed

to Baloo. Many elements of this early draft remained

in the series, including the word tail in the

title, a final type names for most of the aircraft.

Now, I did not know that. Well, I know that Launch

Pad was supposed to be the, you know, main character.

Right. I believe... I'm trying to remember if

there was something else with Darkwing Duck which

is actually episode 18 of Tooncast which is you

know it's already out but I believe that there

was something else I think that they were going

to do something with Darkwing where Darkwing

wasn't going to be the main foil it was going

to be somebody else but I don't remember right

off the top of my head. So I think that we're

going to move straight into the music segment

here. uh... the series original music is done

by christopher l stone he did six episodes from

nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety -one and again

as we said in the intro to the show today the

theme song you cannot go anywhere without even

if you hear it and don't see it you know exactly

what this theme song is oh yeah yeah i mean i

mean me i i consider myself to be a connoisseur

of tv theme songs and if i had to place tailspin

i would say it's somewhere like my or if i had

a list of 10 favorite tv theme songs tailspin

would probably be like seven or eight really

because you know it's that good because when

you hear it it's you know it Don't know it just

makes you jump when you hit it Let's begin it

you say oh wow, what's this? I'm watching and

you know, it's just it's great. I love it Oh,

yeah, very very much so and I like how and I've

said this before on this show how sometimes TV

shows will incorporate parts of the instrumental

part of the theme in the show. So like if you

have either Kit or Baloo doing a quote unquote

hero type moment, they will play the theme, the

instrumental parts of it in the background. Kind

of like when, I think the best example I can

give you is when the X -Men are going to fight

Magneto, sometimes as the fight progresses you

will hear the X -Men theme in the background.

Yeah of the scene which I thought was really

really cool but I like the music for tailspin

because you almost get the impression that The

guy who you know scored this, you know that he

treated this like a feature film because the

music is very you know It's big music for the

action sequences. Oh, yes very much. So well

this this This show actually had an orchestra

behind it and know something, you can tell because

it's a very rich, lush music. Like I said, it's

like music you would expect to hear in a feature

film, not in an animated cartoon. Right, exactly.

Well, you know, a lot of cartoons are like that.

Well, a lot of the older cartoons are like that.

as well. I mean just look at Looney Tunes. I

mean it had a full orchestra every episode. You

look at Tiny Tunes and Animaniacs. They had full

orchestras for each episode. Oh yeah, yeah. And

you know something? Your ear can tell the difference

when you hear it and you say, okay, now that's

a full orchestra player. You can tell just from

the and like I said the richness of when you

have even the small quiet music Even the small

quieter moments we have in tailspin the music

that's played is very you know it perfectly fits

the mood or whatever the scene is supposed to

be about if it's a Argument that blue is having

with one of the characters, the music reflects

that. It's a little bit more jokey, a little

bit more lighter. When it's a more serious moment,

the music gets darker and lower and moodier.

And when it's an action sequence, the orchestra

just goes nuts. Right, exactly. Oh yeah, very,

very much so. I completely agree. i couldn't

find any soundtracks for the show which a lot

of the shows that we that we've covered on to

cast a lot of them don't have soundtracks which

i think is a shame i think that they should i

mean you know yeah you can buy the dvds and you

can you know if you feel like it you can rip

the theme from the dvd if you want you know a

theme song or whatever but you know uh... i don't

know i i've always thought that that music the

music from each cartoon that i've watched you

know growing up should a company say a dvd release

or vhs release or you know whatever um... and

it's just a shame that that it doesn't have a

soundtrack for it yeah how hard would it be for

them to let's say we have like a tailspin you

know they do like a complete box set of all the

episodes because there wasn't that many episodes

i think that maybe was what like about like fifty

of them sixty Yeah, maybe that's okay. So give

us a box set You know and also throw in a you

know, like as a bonus There's a CD that's got

you know, like the score from it, you know, right?

Well, you know and you know as you're saying

about the DVDs going into the legacy segment

here The two volumes of the show have been released

Volume one was released on August 29th of 06

With 27 cartoons on it volume 2 was released

November 13th of 07 Which includes 27 cartoons?

Now on this it says that the volume 1 includes

the four -part pilot I'm not sure if it includes

it as the four separate parts or if it includes

it as the movie And no sir, I'm glad you brought

that up Michael because see that's the reason

I know you know and you know I've been saying

how much of a big tailspin fan I am and you're

gonna be surprised when I tell you that I don't

own the DVDs I've deliberately passed them by

because of that reason go to your foot because

I don't know if that's the chopped up version

because if I'm gonna spend the money I want to

see plunder and lightning in its original form

But if this is the only medium that you have

to see the show And it's not in its original

form wouldn't you want it anyway just as a fan?

Well you know what I'm holding out because I'm

hoping that maybe somebody will see the light

and they will do it the right way and do like

a box set with all of the episodes with commentary

and you know the whole McGill which is really

not outside of the realm of possibility because

you know nowadays especially Disney they'll try

to squeeze every last dime they can out of all

of their properties so maybe someday somebody

will wake up and say okay well you know eventually

I figure that either what will happen that my

wife will get it for me as a present because

she knows how much I like it or I will break

down and buy it but until then I really want

to hold out and you know see that they do it

right you know I mean that's my hope I don't

know they probably won't but hey hope springs

eternal Yeah, I hate to shatter your dreams there,

buddy, but... Go ahead, Shadow. Listen, I'm a

married man, so I'm used to having my dreams

shattered. The majority of Disney releases, they

don't do crap for special features. I bought

the Darkwing Duck Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, which is

the only DVDs out for that series, has no special

features whatsoever. X -Men cartoon that has

just been releasing... the the first four volumes

which is all the cartoons has no special features

and these are both properties are owned by disney

which sucks near you would think with it but

it blows their socks well you want to it you

know you you would think that that disney this

multinational multi conglomerate you know basically

monopolizing company would you know have the

time in the effort they spend all this effort

you know re -releasing all these all these original

movies is it like snow white e there's so many

verse no white just got re -released out of the

vaults uh... what a couple tuesdays ago they're

like six different versions of the of the thing

in including the blu -ray stuff thank you i mean

you know they do all this stuff with all their

original movies like fiftieth anniversary special

edition fiftieth anniversary platinum edition

why the hell can't they spend two -and -a -half

hours recording commentary with some of the producers

or directors or whatever from darkwing duck x

-men or whatever i mean hell they own marvel

now so christ give the rights back to marvel

let marvel release them or at least add content

to the x -men stuff I don't know. Listen, I couldn't

agree with you more. You're preaching to the

choir here because, you know, I don't understand.

Like you said, how many friggin versions of The

Little Mermaid do we really need? Exactly. I

mean, Jesus Christ already. You know, you know,

and as a matter of fact, I was a target the other

day. I'm looking at Beauty and the Beast. There's

like nine different versions of Beauty and the

Beast. Oh, please. You know, the sing -along

version, the platinum version, the Blu -ray version.

I mean, really, how many versions of that do

we need? Go back to your older properties, dust

them off, say, you know something, there are

people out there that grew up watching this stuff.

They depreciated it. Clean up Tailspin or X -Men

or Darkwing Duck or whatever and do it upright.

Like you said, get them people into the studio.

I'm sure they're not exactly, I mean, they're

not all that busy. And let them do commentary

for it or whatever and give us storyboards and

do it right. Why not? Yeah. Well, it's Disney

and they do whatever the fuck they want, so.

And know what? They can. I know they can. Let's

face it. Don't fuck with the mouse. The mouse

fucks with you. I just got a bad visual. That's

awful. It's become a thing. You know something?

Dead by work here is done. It's become a running

joke on Tooncast for us to mention the reception

for each cartoon that we talk about and we always

bring up the fact that IGN has made a list of

the top 100 animated TV shows and Tailspin is

ranked 81st best cartoon. I'm sorry. I say this

every episode and I will say this every episode

until Tooncast ends. IGN you are dumb bastards.

Their rankings are so off. They put mask at 99th.

They put He -Man at 55th. I I can't wait to find

what their number one cartoon is because I'm

just gonna completely shit all over that depending

I have to go look at that list because I did

well IG and I don't usually because I don't agree

with most of what they say anyway But but I'd

be interested in seeing that list. Yeah. Yeah

Matter of fact no sir as matter. We should be

glad they have tailspin on there at all Yeah,

I mean that's true, but I don't know I You know

for me with with the shows that I grew up with

I would just I don't think I could be biased

and truly rank them versus number I think they

would just all be one one one one one all the

way down the line Certain things like that. You

really hate to rank them because you love them

so much I mean, you know, like I said, I mean

if I'm watching Darkwing duck That's my favorite

Disney cartoon. But if I'm watching Tailspin,

then that becomes my favorite. It depends on

whatever I'm watching at the moment. Out of DuckTales,

Tailspin, Darkwing Duck, and the Rescue Rangers.

Whichever one of those four I'm watching at the

moment, that's my favorite one. There were several

comics for Telspin. A monthly comic book based

on the show was published by Disney Comics in

1991, running for 7 issues, 11 counting for issue

miniseries based on the series premiere. Bobby

J .G. Weiss was the writer for the issues 1 -4

and 6 -7, as issue 5 was adapted from the episode

41, The Old Man and the Sea Duck. Weiss only

is credited for adaptation. The comic's cancellation

seven months later terminated several planned

stories that would have revealed pieces of background

for the main characters. Issue 7 explored Kitt's

past and how he joined up with the pirates. According

to a letter page in number 3, a planned story

for a comic's annual would have explored the

origin of the Iron Vulture. Number 4 -7 would

have letters answered by the characters. Huh,

that's cool. Now see this goes again, you know

Disney Comics in 1991 You know Disney has has

tried several several times to get into comics

and now they don't have that problem anymore

since Marvel So I think we're gonna go into the

closing and the final thoughts what we do here

is we just you know give our final thoughts on

the show and then If you have anything you want

to plug, you can plug it and then I just go into

the official closing that I use. So what are

your final thoughts on Tailspin, sir? Okay, my

final thoughts on Tailspin. Absolutely, without

a doubt, one of the best cartoons ever made.

One of my personal favorites of all time. I mean,

great characters, great stories. Like I said,

it wasn't your typical cartoon. It was like...

Okay, because I can remember like the first time

I saw Johnny Quest. Johnny Quest was like no

cartoon I had seen up until because this was

straight out action adventure. You know, done

in a fairly realistic manner. Tailspin was the

same way. Here it was, it was funny animals,

but they were running around doing Indiana Jones

type stuff. And you know, having these fun -filled

adventures, rich characters, wonderful music.

You know, I mean, I loved it. I don't know why

anybody wouldn't be a fan of this show. you know

you have to have a heart of stone to say well

i don't like it it's stupid cartoon well you're

stupid if you don't like tells me quite frankly

so yeah i mean i agree with you it you know every

i agree with everything you just said i mean

it it was just a a great cartoon for the time

that it was on and yeah there are dvds But still,

every now and then there are some shows that

you just wish you could turn the TV on and say,

oh, hey, there's Tailspin on. I'm going to sit

and watch it. Yeah. Yeah, really. And you know

something? It's actually a lot of fun watching

it with the co - And you know something? I know

everybody got to think, oh, well, I hate commercials.

But you know something? It was nice to have those

little cliff hangers. Yeah. Because when I watched

it when it was on the then -tuned Disney, of

course, they didn't have commercials. So you

went immediately right from one scene to the

next. And it wasn't quite as much fun. Because

you were sitting there wondering, if you had

never seen the episode before, how's Baloo going

to get out of this one? Which was the whole point.

Because it was supposed to be like a 1930s Saturday

morning cereal. Where you were supposed to be

on the edge of your seat wondering how Baloo

was going to get out of this. Oh, exactly. I

completely agree. Why don't you let us know,

if you can, let us know what kind of upcoming

things we are going to see in Better in the Dark.

Oh, Better in the Dark. Well, uh... Me and my

partner, Tom DJ, we're going to be doing a two

-part Superman thing, Superman overview, where

we're going to be doing the movies. We're going

to be doing the cartoons, the TV show, everything.

It's going to be a humongous episode. I have

no idea how we're going to do that. It talks

now we're going to do it with somebody else.

Oh, I can't forget his last name. He's another

Michael, but he does a podcast for Earth2 .net

also and he's going to be co -hosting that with

us since he's the Superman guy. He knows all

about that kind of stuff. We're going to be wrapping

up. We've been doing a series on James Bond movies.

Where every episode that we take two James Bond

movies and we look at it So we just finished

the Timothy Dalton era and we're into the Pierce

Brosnan era right now So we're going to be wrapping

that up pretty soon Coming down the future. We're

going to be doing a thing where I'm going to

be reviewing all of the nightmare on Elm Street

movies Because last year Tom watched the poor

man watched all of the Halloween movies And he

reviewed all of them. So I said, well, I'm going

to do a similar thing for Nightmare on Elm Street.

We were going to do it for this Halloween, but

we decided to hold off because we've got the

remake of Nightmare on Elm Street coming next

year. So we said, well, we'll hold off and we'll

do it then. So that's just some of the stuff

that we've got coming up. We just finished our

obscure. movies for Halloween where we you know

give our suggestions for different types of movies

that you can watch during Halloween not like

the regular thing like the Saw movies the Friday

13th movies that you know we try to give you

like a little something different that you can

you know watch I mean not watch yeah that you

can watch you know during the Halloween season

I'm trying to think there was one I don't know

if you'd call it obscure but there was one like

spoof you know those spoof films they do there

was one like It was a takeoff. I know what you

did last summer, but it was like I know what

you did the last Friday the 13th or something

or other with I think it had I think it starred

Tiffany Amber Thies and it was just this really

really weird Halloween ish type You know take

off of like Friday the 13th that I know what

you did last summer Yeah, that was like matter

of fact. It was like two or three of them They

made like that because I remember I saw one on

USA Network one time I know what you screamed

last Halloween on Friday the 13th something like

that Yeah, it's like two or three of them with

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minus TFD1Mike. And have you submitted your will

to Twitter yet? Derek? That sounds ominous. You

submitted your will? Well, I don't know. Some

people are against Twitter. Oh, yeah. Well, listen,

I'm not that much of a big fan of it either.

I mean, if you want to do it, fine. But you know,

that's it. Know what it is? I have a live journal.

OK. Jerry Ferguson's notebook is the name of

it. And I'm on Facebook. And I can barely keep

up with those. So I have no idea how people who

have Facebook, live journal, blog, Twitter. myspace

I have no idea how they keep up with that they

must not sleep or eat or shit or whatever you

know but serious but I know people who have all

of those and they keep up with them well the

thing with twitter I mean I really I only use

myspace to keep up with my favorite bands I very

rarely ever log into myspace anymore but the

thing with twitter is it is compatible like there's

a desktop application called tweet deck it will

allow you to post to your Facebook from that

application so you don't have to have facebook

.com open and twitter .com open at the same time

and then type the same thing twice. Twitter is

a really easy way for you know if you're going

to promote something That's fine, you know a

lot of people when Twitter started like oh I

don't want to hear exactly what you're doing

every second of your life It's really more than

that. It's more of connecting with friends kind

of like Facebook and myspace You know you get

you know you know a few hundred followers on

there And you know you you know you talk to them,

and you you know say one guy says something about

you know I don't know night rider or something,

and you know you you know if you like it You

can reply to that person, so I don't know Yeah,

yeah. Oh, I mean, you know, listen, it's all

communication and I'm all for communication.

You know, I mean, I've got no problem with it.

Yeah, I know some people think Twitter is like

the devil and, you know, it sucks yourself. Hey,

it's just another form of communication. That's

all. If you want to use it, use it. If you don't,

you don't. You know, I mean, like I said, for

my purposes, Facebook and my live journal is,

you know, more than enough for me. And frankly,

I kind of think that I'm a pretty boring person

anyway. The most interesting part about me is

my writing. So that's usually... what I talk

about anyway I mean I don't talk about going

to the dentist or you know or throwing old ladies

down the stairs or you know or you know Mike

I hate my kids or you know my life sucks which

is what a lot of people use their live journal

for you know I really don't think people want

to hear that you know at least not coming from

me anyway I have a wife for that I don't know.

We hope you enjoyed the episode of Tooncast and

wish you'll join us next time when we will be

reminiscing on Darkwing Duck. For now, I am TFG1

Mike with... And I've been Derek Ferguson and

I just want to say Mike that thank you. I had

a most excellent time, you know, during this

episode with you. Thank you. In the immortal

words of Optimus Prime, transform and roll out

and thank you for listening. Until next time.

Thank you all for being here today. I've called

this press conference on behalf of myself Ron

Algarwat and my co -creator Matt Robotham to

inform you that once the current run of our award

-winning webcomic Vengeance of the Interman is

finished at the end of this year, we are hereby

retiring from comics. No more webcomics for us.

So that's why we brought you here and we will

now take your questions. There's no one here.

There's nobody here. There's nobody here. Nobody

read the comic. Oh. At all. Ever. Well, we're

doing a podcast now. Yeah, we are doing a podcast

now. The Sarcastic Voyage Podcast. Available

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