X-Men The Animated Series Season 4

Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest

imagination! Hello and welcome to Tooncast Beyond.

This is episode 79 brought to you by the GeekCast

Radio Network. I am one of your hosts, TF2 and

Mike, and joining me today is Eduardo. Hello,

sir. Hello. And we are here to continue our X

-Men, the animated series, X -Men 92 coverage

of the classic Marvel cartoon, Fox Kids cartoon

from the 90s. Since this... Episode was originally

going to be recorded before and after we had

an interview with Eric and Julia Liewald Eric

wrote previously on x -men the new hit book all

about behind the scenes of x -men the animated

series sadly Wolverine got mad and he berserkered

the audio for that interview, so we will have

to redo that but I ever see I Have this a little

while ago. I'm in the motions of prepping my

wedding and everything else so i haven't had

time to actually sit down and actually read it

previously on accident but i have a review copy

the book is now out i do want to get an actual

physical copy hint hint if anyone wants to get

it for me for christmas this year buy it through

jacobs brown books i will put a link in the show

at this point Yes, I do yes, you do physically

physically in my hands and it even includes Mr..

Lee waltz autograph awesome And hey a bookmark,

so you know he it's yet see this is if anything

This is a little PSA kids if you have a chance

to buy directly from the publisher do it Do it

okay? Do it you will there's a good chance you

will find extra goodies Yeah, and and I just

and you know it's not it's not about the and

as cool as the autograph is it's awesome that

the the bookmarks are awesome I do have to say

God bless you mr. Lee walled Why because this

book has actually helped us the two of us out

because oh, yes The actual order for seasons

three through five so now we know the exact order

this when when we were about to record this having

this book i'm like oh god bless you oh now i

know what to focus on oh thank you god thank

you thank you mr leewald thank you so much yep

and if anyone wants to uh... connect with uh...

eric leewald uh... you can follow at x -men t

a s on twitter or you can head on over to XMENTAS

.com because this is the 25th anniversary year

of X -Men the animated series 25 years ago today

is when this landmark series hit along with the

other landmark series you know that that one

with that that guy who you know that that nut

from Gotham City um so yeah okay His name is

guano man, right? Yeah something about guano

I think I think ace Ventura kind of infected

that a little bit Alright, so we are going to

get to mr. Optimus solo for just the facts and

we're gonna come back and talk about a little

bit about Previously on X -Men and kind of give

you guys a behind -the -scenes look if you have

not really read the book yet We're going to be

talking about episode order because we've already

done the history with the show our history with

the show type of stuff So let Kevin tell you

all about X -Men the animated series season 4.

We'll be back after this What's the matter? Teacher's

pet got cold feet anytime Hey gang, it's Optimus

Solo and I'm here to give you just the facts

on X -Men The Animated Series. X -Men The Animated

Series is an American animated television series

which debuted in 1992 and ran to 1997, lasting

five seasons and airing 76 episodes. It aired

on the Fox network as part of its Fox Kids Saturday

morning lineup. This was Marvel Comics' second

attempt at an animated X -Men TV series following

the pilot X -Men Pride of the X -Men, which was

not picked up. Saban Entertainment was contracted

to produce the show and hired a small studio,

Graz Entertainment, to produce the episodes as

it did not have the sufficient staff at the time

to handle production in -house. Graz employed

the creative staff, wrote and designed each episode,

and even drew the storyboards. The voice work

was done using Canadian studios, and the animation

was done by the South Korean studio, Acom. The

plot was loosely adapted from famous storylines

and events in the X -Men comics, such as the

Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past, the Phalanx

Covenant, and the Legacy Virus. The show features

a team lineup similar to that of the early 1990s

X -Men comic books. The lineup largely resembles

that of Cyclops' Blue Team, established in the

early issues of the second X -Men comic series.

The series' first 13 episodes were notable for

being possibly the first time ever that an American

animated series had a full season of episodes

flow one into the next, i .e. a continuity -based

show, something the series' producers fought

heavily for. However, starting with Season 3,

most episodes were shown in random order. Each

episode was assigned two different numbers internally.

One is for script order, which indicates the

number assigned by the production company. The

other is the production order, which are the

official episode numbers assigned by Fox Children's

Network indicating the order that they actually

received the episodes from the production company.

These both vary from the order in which the series

actually aired, especially after season 3. So

we have three different sets of orders in which

these episodes could be organized. According

to series writer Stephen Melching, the script

order is the best guide in terms of overall series

continuity, as this is how the stories were originally

envisioned to flow together. The X -Men animated

show was the longest running Marvel Comics animated

series for 18 years. It lasted six years during

its five -season run, which was the record until

it was eventually beaten by the Ultimate Spider

-Man when its 77th episode aired on October 17,

2015. So from 96 all the way until 2015, X -Men

was the longest -running Marvel Comics animated

series. The series though was cancelled after

the episode graduation day, which aired on September

20, 1997. And now for some Toon Trivia. Broadcast

standards and practices had asked the writers

to change the name of the villain Fabian Cortez

to something non -Hispanic because there are

no prominent members of the X -Men to provide

balance for this type of negative character.

Eric Luehl said that was a big deal to the writers

since that's the character's name in the comics

and pointed out that Spanish conquistador Cortez

was not a well -liked man. The X -Men roster

also did not change much throughout the series.

For the second season, plans were made to have

Archangel be added to the team, but ultimately

those plans were scrapped, which left the roster

basically unchanged for the better part of the

entire series. Now today's episode specifically

focuses on Season 4. Season 4 is where it can

be somewhat confusing to watch, depending on

what order you see the episodes. Season 4 aired

for 17 episodes, starting on September 9, 1995

and going through May 4, 1996. As mentioned during

Season 3, some of the Season 4 episodes were

aired during Season 3 to compensate for other

episodes that were pushed back and away from

Season 3. Around episode 55, Larry Houston, director,

was also more or less transitioned off of the

show and began to be less involved in the show

and more involved with working on the second

season of the Fantastic Four series from 1994.

Season four also includes a few multi -part episodes.

We have One Man's Worth, the two -parter, Proteus,

another two -parter, Sanctuary, the final two

-parter, and then Beyond Good and Evil, a four

-part episode. Also interesting to note, Chris

Potter, the original voice of Gambit, left the

series in 1996. Tony Daniels took over for the

voice of Gambit until the series ends. So that's

just the facts for today, and now let's toss

it over to TFG1 Mike and company as they discuss,

in detail, Season 4 of X -Men... the animated

series previously on x -men all right folks we

are back thank you so much mr just the facts

optimus solo for giving us just the facts on

x -men the animated series season four and we've

got more facts for you here folks because as

we said we're going to actually run down the

season four episode order in its proper Order

I guess you could say the the defining order

Well, you know, I'm gonna take a page out of

TV out of the website TV tropes calm Look, we're

just calling this word of God. Yes. This is word

of God This is how this is from the producer

himself So, you know what anybody right now feels

like arguing my message to you is go to hell

Okay, cuz I'm gonna trust Eric Lee walled. Okay,

he worked on the damn show. He was a showrunner

I mean, come on! I don't care. I don't care.

This is the showrunner talking here, okay? Alright?

Yeah, maybe a couple of episodes are okay in

the order you want, but you know what? This is

Eric Lee Wall. This is his own words, so... Yeah.

So, run us down the list, sir, of what is in

Season 4. We start with One Man's Worth, the

two -parter. Yep, we got One Man's Worth. Then

we got another two -parter, which is Proteus

1 and 2. Let's see, then we have Family Ties

with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Yep. Then

we got Bloodlines where, you know, we have Mystique

and Mystique doing a little family reunion. Mystique,

Nightcrawler and Rogue and all that. And Sabertooth,

yep. Let's see, then we got Lotus and the Steel,

which is Wolverine in Japan with Jubilee tagging

along, because why not? Uh, let's see, then we

got a little bit of heartbreak because we got

Weapon X lies in videotape. I love that they

took that from obviously sex lies in videotape,

but like, I love that. Yeah. Then let's see,

then we have, have yourself a Morlock little

Christmas. The best Christmas holiday ever. It's

Christmas with the Morlocks. And leech almost

dying because you know we have to we have to

do some near trauma fuel for the holidays Then

let's see then we have we finish things off with

Beyond Good and Evil parts one through four.

Oh my god. Yes. Absolutely like this. Oh So so

awesome So very, very awesome. Yes. So that is

the season order here. That's going to lead us

into the season breakdown of the highlights and

lowlights of the season, favorite story arcs,

character moments, favorite episodes, pacing

of the season, favorite characters, main recurring

and guest. For me with season four, As I had

said in a previous episode, I watched all of

it on Hulu, so the Hulu order is way out of order.

They have Beyond Good and Evil, like, as episode

eight of season... Like, it's so far gone, folks.

But, anyway, we're gonna talk about it in the

order that was supposed to be watched. One Man's

Worth, I... I always remember the whole thing

of the alternate timeline and Wolverine and Storm

being a married couple. I always remembered that,

but I never remembered which episode it was until

I watched this back. And I'm like, oh yeah, One

Man's Worth, that's right. It's Bishop and Shard,

his sister. And what I love about preview i'll

let you go in a minute what i love about previously

on xmen written by eric leewald under the the

season episode breakdown things he lists what

episode numbers they should be and he lists the

air dates and all of that next the air dates

he goes out of order dvd numbers forty six and

like he basically calls out disney and says you

doesn't say the f word but i'm going to because

i can you fuckers got it wrong like no is this

is very much x x x no no no so wrong uh... one

man's worth what do you think well i know that

one man's worth like right around the time we

have the whole age of apocalypse thing which

Yeah, similar thing. We have Xavier dying before

he's supposed to, and then that just screwing

up the world. You know, interesting that we have

that all condensed into a two -parter. There's

a part of me that would have loved to have a...

You know, maybe a couple of more parts so we

can explore the crapsack world My favorite, of

course is a cameo by the crapsack world Avengers.

Yeah would have loved would have loved to get

some more background on on who they are and you

know, are they actually drinking the Kool -Aid

or Is there is there kind of something, you know?

They're kind of something that forces them to

work for this anti mutant government like what

the I'd love to know what the deal is I love

the little tiny things there, like we have, we

see Jean Grey as a nurse and we get... Hello,

nurse! Yeah, we do get hints that Scott is a

medic, so, you know, it's... I would be curious

to see, like, again, just more of the world.

I think the most, one of the most jarring images,

though, is a one -armed gambit. Yeah. It's like,

holy, it's like, holy crap, some bad shit went

down. You know, some... People they took hits.

Oh, yeah, which kind of makes me wonder is there

anybody like, you know Is there anybody that

we didn't see that the reason we're not seeing

them is because they're pushing up daisies Yep,

absolutely I what I love about one man's worth

is the whole thing of the fact that the entire

existence of Humankind is rested on young Charles

Xavier shoulders Because this is the one where

yeah, this is Fitzroy and Nimrod right yeah,

Fitzroy Yeah, yeah, Trevor Fitzroy that the the

sentinels are like, okay, tell you what How about

you can you know, you can work for us and we

won't you know, we won't kill you Oh, but we're

gonna send this little this little shit What's

his name bantam, you know, we're gonna send this

other little mutant to watch over you, you know

Make sure that you're playing by the rules Yeah,

and then yeah Nimrod shows up and it's like oh

shit Nimrod Yeah, I love Eric's final note here

in the book about this episode before we move

on to the next one One obscure personal note.

He says I inserted a line of dialogue in Logan's

fight with Nimrod It is taken from a tough old

western movie that I saw on TV as a child that

stayed with me It was said by a villain with

a knife though. I can't clearly remember 55 years

later Wolverine whips out his claws straddles

Nimrod and says Let's see what you had for breakfast.

There's a scene matching this in the Dalton Trumbo

written movie Cowboys, so that could be the source

Well, it makes absolutely no sense when spoken

spoken as Logan does to a robot does it to a

robot? But for me it remains unsettling and evocative

Proteus was The previous to part of a strange

at first and then I remembered. Oh, that's right.

That's what this is this was potential Charles

and Moira have a child, but obviously it wasn't

Professor X and Moira Taggart Yeah, it was Joseph

McTaggart Yep Which by the way Joseph and Proteus

should be thanking their lucky stars that this

was the television adaptation Because yeah in

the actual comics a little bit of a spoiler alert

Proteus and Joseph die. Oh jeez in fact actually

everybody proteus possesses dies You know, that's

the thing. Proteus is basically pure energy.

He possesses bodies and burns them out. So, yeah,

anybody who got... So, really, Banshee should

have been dead. Uh, you know... Everybody should

have been dead. Everybody that he possessed should

have died. But, yeah, since I guess this was

Saturday morning and, you know, we... And plus,

it's like... For Moira, you know, we we can't

just you know, I you know, give her a break,

you know She lost her lost her kid in the comics,

you know, let's give her a happy ending here.

So it's like it is weird I think the weirdest

thing is Wolverine disintegrating. Yeah, just

when when proteus just goes Insane with reality

and you know, you have Wolverine turning into

like a puddle or something and it's like wow,

that's Really how that's unsettling absolutely

yeah and this is all and then this is an episode

that really okay I know my dad loves me and all

that and everything else but as you know I think

I've said before on this show or other shows

that I've done in the last almost 10 years we've

not exactly had the closest relationship over

the years I mean I know deep down he loves me

he'll do anything he can for me and all of that

you know and everything else and since my mom

passed two years ago he's not necessarily been

a constant in my life but he's like we've actually

been talking we've been you know sharing stuff

and yada yada yada and everything else so This

whole proteus thing about, you know, a father's

affection or lack thereof in Kevin's case here

in the episode. I'm just, that's a, a really,

uh, hitting home kind of topic for me. Cause

while my dad was around when I was a kid, he,

like I saw him like once a week. And I know that's

a lot considering most kids don't seem like most

kids that end up having, you know, dads that

aren't in the picture, don't see them even that

much or less than that. Still it's very very

cool very interesting Family Ties this is Rogen

Yep, and this is the episode with Michael J Fox

guest starring Is it really? No, I'm just trying

to make a joke because oh You're so funny Well,

I was going to say Michael Gross, but I thought

I'd go with like the more recognizable name.

See, if you would have said, this is the episode

that stars Alex P. Keaton, I would have gotten

it right away. Like, I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't

like, like, family, alright, family ties, that's

right. Yes, so this is... Not going to make it

easy for you like that. So this is the one with

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch Magneto's children

Hey, they had and they had a great guest villain

from outside the X universe with high evolutionary

Okay, I like I like the way he was done here

as opposed to how he showed up in oh Yeah, yeah,

that was it called spider -man unlimited. Yeah

Like yeah, I like his presentation here But yeah,

and it's it's I love it when I love it when the

X -Men cartoon would bring out villains and stuff

that were like outside the Outside the X universe

and I'm not just talking a quick cameo of like

hey kids. Look there's spider -man It's like

hey look this person's actually interacting with

uh with the x -men Yep Absolutely And hey, I

like I like that we had scarlet witch and her

kind of classic look Yep, cuz I know around the

same time we had the iron man cartoon, and she

was in her her force works outfit So it's cool

to have like the classic scarlet witch Yeah,

absolutely, and I'm pretty sure that that Eric

and the rest of the team Larry Houston and all

those guys I'm pretty sure they went with more

classic designs than Whatever the current modern

ones at the time were in the comics That said

though would have been it would have been kind

of cool if this had come out a little closer

to the Kurt music George Perez Avengers run because

then maybe we would have had scarlet witch and

her gypsy outfit Lord Oh, come on. Hey, that

is one awesome -looking outfit. Impossible to

do in live action, but oof. The animation, it

could have worked, yeah. It could have worked,

and there could have been a lot of young men

watching this episode and going, wow, okay, I

have a crush now. Absolutely up next is bloodlines.

This is the episode that this and family ties

I kind of get confused This is the episode with

with nightcrawler and rogue and mystique and

the whole family thing This also actually has

two mutant families. It has my crawler rogue

and used mystique along with Sabretooth and his

horrible horrible son great creed. Yeah, which

which ties in because greetings. Yeah saber -tooth

is his yes it was his dad and then you know he

gets he gets pulled into the whole mystique thing

so get like a demented family reunion which by

the way uh... i don't know about you but end

of the episode when uh... great increase gets

dumped uh... dumped in uh... at his dad's house

you know you did I'm like, you're so dead. You're

dead. You're dead, buddy. You know what this

reminds me of, and I'm so sorry to everybody

because I know not everyone is going to be a

fan of this. Uh -oh. Is he gonna go there? Oh,

you have no, I don't even think you could predict

where I'm going to go with this. So the whole

thing with Graydon Creed and Victor Creed and

the whole Sabretooth and his son thing and leaving

him at the end of the episode, you just know

what's going to happen, even though we don't

see it. And there's a The Eric's basically says

in here in the end great increase searing hatred

for mutants of being United and his blood relation

to them creates the most terrifying x -men CIS

ending scene ever He is given over to saber tooth

his quote -unquote daddy to be dealt with we

don't see the result But it is no way soft pedal

that appears saber tooth is going to tear him

apart This is a stark contrast to the moment

earlier when nightcrawler and a man and child

forgives guilt -stricken mother. So I love the

juxtaposition of the two different family dynamics

here, but the whole Graydon Creed thing reminds

me of the Garth Brooks song, The Night I Called

the Old Man Out, which will play right here.

Wow. The dining room fell silent I can't believe

what I just said I just told my dad he's full

of it And I watched his face turn red And I should

have said I'm sorry But I matched him shell to

shell And I can still hear that screen door slamming

The night I And up next, after that, you know,

song from... Yeah, and by the way, that was actually,

you went to a place I was not expecting. I told

you, you weren't gonna be able to, I told you.

I got over it, I got over it, I was, there was

a part of me that was like, oh, sweet God, don't

do a deliverance thing. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No deliverance here. No deliverance. Okay, there

you go, thanks, thanks. Sorry I dadded you, man.

Sorry I dadded. Yeah, I've been on a super, like...

Early Garth career kick because a buddy of mine

Is had bought the when Garth was still at Ghost

Tunes before Ghost Tunes went down Garth had

this Subscription deal or package deal if you

bought Like for 30 bucks you could get all of

his albums and whatever new albums he Started

pretty like he put man versus man and machine

He's got like two new albums in the last two

and a half three and a half four and a half years

So you could get all of his entire catalog of

studio albums for 30 bucks in digital form so

my buddy is is sending these to me every now

and then because Garth Brooks is on iTunes Garth

Brooks is barely on Spotify Garth Brooks is on

Amazon music well I'm not paying for Amazon music

Yada yada yada, so I've been on a huge 90s Garth

kick recently and yeah as soon as I read this

part in the book about about the the the The

two different family and I'm like, yeah, it's

pretty much night. I called the old man out.

So Alright up next is Lotus and the steel and

this it's it's basically Wolverine this is where

Wolverine came from Yeah, and what I what I mean

by that folks is the film Wolverine Well cuz

he went back to Japan he was fighting silver

samurai in the movie and this is the silver samurai

episode Yeah, although silver samurai is leading

a biker gang. I'm kind of like But then again,

I suppose, you know, there's only so much you

can do on Saturday mornings and it's like they

already You know Eric already. I thought it was

awesome that he had an episode with nightcrawler.

That was like heavy on the religion Yeah, so

I guess I guess going into the whole you know

honor system. You know Japanese philosophy thing

may have been a little a little you know it's

like okay. We got away with this we let's Let's

take him to Japan, but you know we yeah But still

silver samurai again. It's he's kind of he's

kind of been connected to the X universe, but

he started out out Side of it like as a dared

more as a daredevil villain, but still great

cool character and truth be told I think I like

him better in Better here and Lotus and Steel

than I do in the Wolverine. Yeah Cuz I mean the

Wolverine was just yeah, it was like, okay you

try you you're trying but Absolutely awesome.

I thought this was a nice little thing for because

Wolverine I think ever since dark Phoenix is

kind of he hasn't been lost But we we have seen

and we will see episodes with him Where you know,

he's kind of trying to figure his own shut out

and this is kind of one of them I understand

and I don't have a problem with it. Just looking

at what Eric says about this episode, but Wolverine

and Jubilee yes, they are big brother little

sister type of relationship, but oh my god Jubilee

is so even as a even as a 13 14 15 year old I

thought Jubilee was the annoying his character

ever in the 90s like she to me in 1995 was worse

than Urkel Yeah Now, dude, dude, dude, man, come

on, Geneva Convention here, okay? You went a

little too far, man. The UN peacekeepers are

like on you going, no, dude, no, no, no, no,

don't do that. The sad thing is that I am...

So, this happened a while ago, hopefully it stays

on here for... length of time that is not more

than ten seconds uh... over on hulu they have

released something called thank god it's hulu

instead of thank god it's friday so tgif so they've

got hanging with mr cooper they got boy meets

world they got step by step i am up to the point

of watching season one episode eight of family

matters i'm only eight episodes into the series

The first seven like very rarely feature Steve

Urkel like he did like everyone remembers that

show because of him. The thing of it is is that

show is more about the Winslow family than it

was. It turned into being about him because of

the popularity. But that first season so far

he's very rarely he's just now beginning to become

more of a part of the cast. But those first seven

episodes was all about you know officer. Al Powell

and his wife and kids and everything else so

you know So yeah Jubilee much worse than much

more worse than Urkel At the time in 1995 when

I was 15 years old yeah, she was more more annoying

than did I do that? Superpowers at least she

can like she can throw glitter she throws glitter

And they don't do they ever like I'm obviously

I'm gonna have to go back and read through the

whole book and everything else because I have

yet to do so but I hope previously on x -men

actually talks about the character and their

powers because like there's no real like to my

knowledge in the show there was no real explanation

of other than she makes fireworks like that's

really the explanation i have for jubilee's powers

like wolverine i get it mutant healing factor

cyclops i get it he was experimented on or he

was born with you know the the the glowing red

eyes professor x has mental powers gene gray

has uh... flights and telepathy and all this

and all that everything else rogue can't touch

a single soul gambit you know lights cards on

fire at vegas like i understand almost everyone's

powers except for jubilees they're just it's

sparkly glitter fireworks she she makes vampires

sparkle that's why she's so horrible no no no

no no that's why she's so horrible jubilee jubilee

is the bella of the x -men universe okay seriously

seriously let's look at this alright jubilee

is kind of the center kid character of the entire

series after that I don't know about comics but

in mainstream media like television and cartoons

and yada yada yada at least in the movie universe

she has constantly skipped in the movie universe

like they say oh Jubilee's gonna be in this film

whoops we'll have to wait till next time sorry

like she's become this giant joke and The fact

that her powers are sparkly fireworks, yeah,

she makes vampires sparkle. Oh man, Twilighting

Jubilee, dude, that's cruel. Jubilee's Twilight.

Dude, that's more abusive than probably what

Sabertooth did to Grain. So up next, Weapon X

lies in videotape. This is basically Wolverine's

origin. Oh yeah. Pretty more going back to it

at least, you know keeping up the whole thing

I like I like that they threw in some of the

I like that they threw in a couple of other weapon

X people. Yeah, yeah Silver Fox and yeah, and

I did notice there was a little bit of a name

change in the episode the That robot thingy.

Yeah that attacked them Talos. I know that in

the in the comics those robots are called Shiva

But but I get but I guess it's like uh -oh Saturday

mornings can't can't name this thing after the

goddess of destruction. That's okay All right,

can't name it after just after a god of destruction.

All right, so yeah, let's go with Talos. Let's

tell us so cool. Yes, okay Let's run with that.

And by the way, wow, I just I don't know about

you But the ending I find the ending like just

so heartbreaking it is Yes, like damn it Wolverine

can't catch a break. You know, he hooks up with

the next girlfriend. She doesn't think it's real

and then it's like Last minute they're leaving

pan over and it's like yeah, it was real. It's

like oh Damn it Wolverine just can't catch a

break What is so cool about this specific episode?

Wolverine origin etc etc etc written by David

McDermott and Stephen Melching I Love Steve Melching.

He is so awesome. I talked to him a couple of

years ago on an interview that we did with him

uh... so cool in this episode i just love this

episode and it's ironic again a bit of irony

because uh... saber tooth is something about

you know he goes oh you mean i could have had

the indestructible bones too you know talking

about how he could have gotten adamantium and

he actually did for a little bit in the comics

you know i think there was i think there was

famously a uh... initial wolverine where Wolverine

goes toe -to -toe with him and you know Wolverine

still Wolverine had lost his adamantium Sabertooth

reveals that he has adamantium and you just got

this panel where he has With one up, you know

where he just grabs Wolverine by the bone claws

and he's like you're not even in my league anymore

and just goes snap and like he breaks them off

and It's just like holy holy shit. This is now

this has now gotten to like this is now. Oh wow

absolutely up next we have yours we have the

episode it is time to have yourself a Morlock

Christmas yeah now I'm going to read from previous

Lana previously on X -Men what Eric says about

this he says oh well the best laid plans dot

dot dot it seemed like a good idea at the time

Sydney at Fox requested a Christmas episode for

most TV series that could either be a fun idea

Many try it. Looking back, it is clear that a

Christmas story idea both schmaltzy and family

quirky fit best in comedies, not in superhero

series about dedicated warriors fighting to make

the world a better place. The fact that I took

a co -writing credit, in parentheses he says

I rarely do even on heavily edited scripts where

I come up with the story, indicates that this

was a troubled episode from the get -go. Please

don't blame Larry Parr. It is not. It wasn't

his idea. If the comments online are any indication,

this is the single least liked episode of the

series, and I can't blame the fans for saying

so. He goes on to say, what elements do I like

among the wreckage? Well, for a moment, the idea

that Jubilee is a foster child that had never

had a real Christmas before. Her first with the

X -Men could have been poignant if we handled

it better. So, um, yeah. Yeah, it just, I, I,

I, it, yeah, I, it just, it's, it's holiday cheese.

It's holiday cheese and I, I, I see what Eric

is saying and yeah, it's like Christmas episodes

are really hard to do without either just like,

okay, let's, we'll take, I'm going to use an

X -Men example and a non -X -Men example. Okay.

The non -example would be G .I. Joe. They did

have a Christmas episode. They did. Cobra Claus

are coming to town. Yeah. But that has like at

least a fun little cheese factor that, OK, yeah,

it's a holiday episode, but you know, you have

like shrunken cobras and stuff like that that

you're you know, and then you have the thing

with Cobra using Joe vehicles and vice versa

that it's forgivable and you're having a good

time. Then there's also The series that came

after X -Men the Animated Series, X -Men Evolution,

they did have a Christmas episode, but I kind

of liked the execution on there a little better,

in the fact that the whole thing was Cyclops

and Rogue, you know, alone in the mansion, and

then going out of the mansion and running into

Angel, Warren Worthington, who's kind of... Doing

a little OCD about trying to help people and

just you know kind of being blind to it You know

so you know and then the fact that you have a

montage at the end of the episode which showed

different You know different X -Men characters

celebrating the holidays and the fact that they

remembered that kitty pride is Jewish So you

know so it's like yeah, hey kids. There's more

to the holidays than Santa You know, then Santa

and the uh, and the manger scene. So that was

cool. Um, it's just yeah, I gotta agree it Christmas

Christmas episodes Yeah, comedy does it best

and you could do it in drama but I mean you either

it either has you know, you just You have to

find that balance because you don't want it to

be too schmaltzy Otherwise, it's like yeah, it

just ends up as bad holiday cheese, which I mean

I love the cartoon, but you know if I'm gonna

watch any Christmas episodes during the holidays

Moorlach little Christmas is just not yeah, and

and I don't even and it's like I even don't blame

the voice of Jubilee For the fact that the line

where she's freaking out because leech is dying

It's yeah, it's it's over the top, and it's like

I don't even blame her cuz I'm like okay. There's

I don't even know how could do that without you

know like how can you do how can you say that

without it just Like there's no way I I don't

know you know it's it's like yeah, this was this

was a Kobayashi Maru and Honestly, I was I'm

not mad. I'm not mad at them. I'm not mad at

them at all It's like I feel sorry. I feel sorry

that they had to be put through this absolutely

like I'm so sorry What is so funny is you mentioned

Cobra Claws is coming to town? I'd say 20 alias

seven years ago six years ago in 2011 Yeah, right

as I was starting to cast to cast beyond whatever

We're calling the show now right as I was starting

the evolution from tune class classic Which ended

June 1st to 2011 and then later I started I think

of like a month later I started the to cast beyond

version which is cartoons From 2000 to whenever

now is when I started that part of the podcast,

which is still this podcast even though whatever

so I came up I went through I scoured the end

like quite literally scoured Wikipedia for every

single American like when I say American cartoon,

I mean like Buzz Lightyear Chippendale Rescue

Rangers. Like every like cartoon we grew up with

I scoured Wikipedia and every single piece of

information on the internet i could find and

i came up with fifty podcast two years of twenty

five days of of to cast christmas okay and i

came up with fifty cartoons that had christmas

episodes now In both of these things, we've only

released one of these. Last year we did 25 days

of Tooncast Beyond Christmas 2016. We're gonna

be doing it again next year with the other 25,

but I just couldn't do it this year. But last

year, Day 8, the 2016 Christmas Action Block,

featuring Transformers Animated Human Era Parts

1 and 2. Sun bows GI Joe Cobra Claus is coming

to town and then the real Ghostbusters Xmas hits

the spot. Wait is that the one where they end

up back in time and they accidentally like they

accidentally trap the three ghosts and it's like

Christmas is fucked because you hit the three

ghosts. Yeah, so I will throw day eight's link

into the show notes, folks, if you want to go

back and listen to Cobra Claus is coming to town.

The thing with a very merry Morlock Christmas,

and this is what I love about the... I'm only

looking at, previously on X -Men, in the episode

order for season four at this point, so like

I said, I have not... really dug into the whole

book, but just looking at Eric's, you know, the

way he's writing this and everything else, at

the end of Have Yourself a Morlock Little Christmas

is, There is one insider tidbit you can take

away from this failed episode. An in -joke about

Wolverine disgustedly refusing to sing jingle

bells after Cyclops butchers the end of another

song. In real life, Wolverine voice actor Cal

Dodd not only is a professional singer with a

fabulous voice, he has a recent Christmas CD

sing along with Santa check on Amazon on which

Jingle Bells is the first track I see I'm getting

you don't watch the orville do you no oh man

because there there's a there's a character that's

kind of a you know there's an alien character

that's kind of the war for the series in the

sense that you know the serious you know serious

in you know alien character and there was a recent

episode that started with the crew singing karaoke

and before there's an interruption by a red alert

it looks like that character is about to sing

my heart will go on oh my god because you get

that you know you get that whole everybody is

of course cheering because they think this is

going to be hilarious he turns to the he turns

to the the audience watching and goes you will

be silent and listen and like right before the

song reaches the crescendo the red alert goes

off and everybody has to leave and i'm just like

oh man that would have been that i would have

loved to have seen that hearing you know i would

now i want to i want to like i want to have like

you know wolverine sinks christmas i just want

to hear that yeah bub yeah bub so the three wise

men came uh -huh absolutely I gotta tell you

if it was me I would have pulled out the cloths

and said you're giving me a room damn it We're

not sitting there with a bunch of with a bunch

of donkeys and camels The wife's pregnant Storm's

pregnant Well, thank you for saying storm and

not gene Well, yeah because no because I think

it would be more hilarious if Wolverine and storm

had offspring because that kid would not only

be the the the king of the elements he would

be the king of berserkers with the just imagine

a storm and wolverine baby adamantium claws healing

factor and can control the damn weather oh man

holy cow absolutely all right folks last up for

season four we're going to talk about the big

the epic beyond good and evil parts one through

four uh... story again again the fact this is

this is it this is coming straight from eric's

mouth or at least his fingers because he typed

this yeah word of god word of god season four

was supposed to end with beyond good and evil

yes it was so yeah word of god it was actually

going to be the series finale until fox was like

hey we want more uh... i know that without even

having to read anything eric's like I just know

that So he says here big story troubled project

while some fans love this four -part or perhaps

for the every mutant in the kitchen sink approach

Non -stop action and betrayals of betrayals.

I don't think we did our best on this one since

I'm responsible for the stories. This one is

on me Some background as mentioned in chapter

12. This was supposed to be the series finale

as such Sydney I want her I'm Sydney at Fox,

requested that we go out with a bang, a real

battle royale. Our aim was not only to touch

base with all the major players from all the

past seasons, but to tie up several stories with

resulting change in the X -Men. We were going

to lose Storm, death or departure. Gene and Scott

just married off to have a family. Jubilee and

Xavier, Psylocke and a few others, Bishop, Shard,

Archangel were going to join and take their places.

We built all our usual personal stories to fit

this plan. Personal scenes with Storm and Gene

and Scott and Psylocke, et cetera, to set up

the big deal changing of the guard in the last

scene. As always, we had laced these emotional

stories throughout. The overarching mega -plot

involving multiple major villains. Well, most

of the way through, building this 88 -minute

story. In the middle of the script stage, one

word came down from Fox. They wanted five more

episodes after these. This would not be the series

finale. The composition of the X -Men would not

change. Oh, and there's no time to set it aside

and come up with something new. Adjust it. So...

Yeah. Yeah, it... You know what? Okay, it's an

awesome epic storyline. It is. It is. And there's

a lot of Easter eggs among the captured psychic

mutants. Like I spotted Rachel Summers and I'm

just like, ooh, ooh. See, at the time I didn't

know that this was supposed to be the end, the

end. Right. So I was like, oh, Rachel Summers.

Oh, shit, Rachel Summers is there. Rachel Summers

is there. Oh, holy cow. You know, there could

be stuff that could be done later. so you know

or and just just although all the other all the

other mutants uh... the thing though okay one

thing that i got to give i'm gonna give credit

for and given credit for because this is this

is awesome this was kinda cool which was uh...

so you had like most of the unfortunately most

of the uh... most of the the story brian shit

poor bishop is stuck in like limbo or the access

to something he's trying to you know he's trying

to link up with everybody else. And there's this

little cosmic janitor type guy who's kind of

hanging around with him. I love that character.

Yeah, it's kind of fun watching them go back

and forth. What blew my mind, though, is so we

have the end of the story. Good is triumphed

over evil. Everybody's heading home. The cosmic

janitor guy shows up one more time, and then

we get the reveal that the entire time he was

this character called the mortis you know he

kind of swirls around you see a guy with this

green outfit uh... cannot be weird purple helmet

thing indicate and i'm like oh shit it was a

mortis all the time like for anybody for anybody

who's uh... a marvel fan outside of x -men especially

the avengers it mortises really cool uh... shit

i don't even I don't even know if you could straight

up call him a villain or just like, well, this

character who's shown up on and off, who's like,

he's connected to the other Avenger villain Kang

the Conqueror. And in both, like in Immortus'

case, he is, he's what Kang may become. Like

somewhere in time and space, one of the possible

futures, Kang turns into Immortus and he's basically

made kind of like the guardian of a huge segment

of time and space. where he just kind of watches

over it and tries to like guide it you know towards

towards particular futures so having him show

up i'm like oh oh shit okay that now it makes

sense it's like yeah we had this fun comic relief

character it turns out to be this more powerful

character i'm guessing he was like okay let me

just hang out with this bishop guy let's see

if i need to jump in You know, let's see if I

need to interfere. And then, of course, when

the X -Men solve it, it's like, oh, OK, I didn't

need to do anything. All right. Great. Good day.

Good day, man. I didn't have to do shit. Awesome.

So I'm going to go back to my time castle and

just chill and be like, yeah. Yeah, man. I'm

going to go back to my job as a time janitor.

That's right. What's so funny about this character

is the way you're describing him. He reminds

me of a combination. Like he is a combination

of Madame Webb and the Beyonder from Spider -Man,

from the Spider -Man cartoon, because he's outside

of time. They are in their own dimensions kind

of thing. Like Beyonder can't be outside their

own dimension for too long, et cetera, et cetera,

et cetera. And I mean, having a story that's

outside of time that Bishop is essentially this

eternal audience member. and he cannot control

events that are happening because he is stuck

and You basically take him out of the story completely

I mean he's there obviously But you take him

out of the story completely and then let the

rest of the x -men figure all this shit out Yeah,

I think that's great. I think that's wonderful

I think that's amazing the fact this technically

started as a bishop cable story And it's turned

into a cable story with the x -men essentially

yeah, because cable is like apocalypse We gotta

go back to the beginning of time and destroy

them to find out apocalypse like I've gone beyond

the mortal coil of needing my rejuvenation yada.

Yeah Okay, I know apocalypse probably has been

around longer. I Could be wrong with this. I'm

not looking at anything right now But Jesus Christ

apocalypse is the racial ghoul of the Marvel

universe like at least in this version of him

like that's what I like He has to go back to

his rejuvenation chamber. I'm really surprised.

I didn't call it a Lazarus pit yeah well I think

I know that apocalypse has been around since

actually the 80s like mid like mid kind of mid

80s the rejuvenation thing I think got the rejuvenation

thing was thrown in in the 90s okay that's when

they started with the hole where he's like a

mutant that has been around for super long and

then he needs the rejuvenation chamber and everything

Know that that was a plot point in in one like

big x -men crossover called executioner song

Where yeah, what happened was another x -men

villain strife? Actually ambushed apocalypse

while he was taking a nap and just beat the living

daylights out of him because apocalypse wasn't

ready It was like one of these it's one of these

things in comics where it's like. Oh, holy shit

Okay, we know it's real because this guy actually

took out apocalypse You know, he actually managed

to ambush him and really hurt him. It's like,

okay, we're all right. It's all real right now.

Holy crap. Yeah. Yeah. So, Raish's debut, and

it is Raish Al Ghul, people. Batman the Animated

Series got it right, damn it. Everybody else

is wrong. I'm sorry. It's like, we were doing...

by the time this episode is out maybe the top

twenty five we were currently doing the top of

her villains and racial bull appeared in one

of the previous episodes that whatever number

was i don't remember if that my head and one

of the clips that one of the host of me was the

quite gone jim version of racial where they call

him rosam like that's not racial bull david warner

is racial well really come on now you know what

liam neeson did a good job With what look with

what he had to work with he did a good job I'll

only ever see him as the guy in those taken movies

or Qui -Gon like I like he is so Typecast as

Qui -Gon at this point like it's so ingrained

in my brain I can't see him as any other major

Character ever at this point and yeah, I know

I'm really stubborn in that and whatever else

But yeah race first debuted June of 71 first

appearance was yeah, man number 232 So race did

come kind of or apocalypse, but still like yeah

Yeah, you know and actually well we're okay while

we're talking about what was supposed to be You

know what Beyond Good and Evil was supposed to

be When reading when reading that read like I

would previously I've been kind of yeah, I haven't

read the whole thing I just read like a couple

of choice things, you know and prep for this

not to mention that you know be heading out on

my honeymoon soon and You know, this is a book

that I wanted to take with me You know, especially

because I'm heading to like the other side of

the country and that's a long flight I need stuff

to do Yeah reading that what I got reminded of

is your I mean, did you ever watch Babylon 5?

Nope. Never seen it. Okay, well, the thing about

Babylon 5 is that, very similar to X -Men, it

looked like Season 4 was gonna be the end. Okay,

it was like, that's it, Season 4, we're done.

They had actually filmed the series finale. It

was filmed, it was ready to go. Last minute,

there was like a last minute reprieve and they

got one more season. So what they did what they

did was the the finale that they filmed was kind

of put away They did this they did this episode

which if you wanted to treat it as the finale

you could But you didn't have to because like

the whole plot was jumping ahead in time and

looking to see How the universe got shaped up

by the results of what all the shit that happened

in season 4 So if you want if you wanted to treat

that as the series finale you could um you know

they got a last -minute reprieve they did a season

five and then they ended season five with the

finale that they had already shot but in a sense

what they did was they you know with um the showrunner

for Babylon 5 j michael straczynski he had actually

wrapped up uh pretty much you know pretty much

everything that he needed to like he could have

ended it season four and you would have had a

saga hell he even wrapped up the major part that

he needed to wrap up earlier in the season and

then the rest of the season was kind of a little

aftermath type thing because you know you had

uh this kind of soft takeover of earth and the

heroes try to like take it back but yeah it's

i found it very similar with x -men where we

had this episode that could have been it but

then it's like at the last you know the last

minute it's like oh uh... no we want to keep

going and it's like oh okay so now we got to

do stuff to to keep it going alright yeah exactly

uh... okay it's gonna be that alright it's like

i told you and it's like i told erica eric and

julia uh... i didn't even really know about season

five until like nineteen ninety nine two thousand

like like right after I think it was like right

after the first X -Men movie came out. No clue.

After I saw Beyond Good and Evil, I'm like, okay.

Great way to wrap up the series. No need for

anything else. Yes, when we get to season five

in a couple of weeks, when we get to the season

five episode here on Tooncast Beyond, yes, that

does have old soldiers, and yes, that is an awesome

Wolverine Cap episode, because it does have Captain

America, but like, for me, everything came to...

what it needed to be with Beyond Good and Evil.

Like, that was the period on this series for

me. Would I have liked to have seen more? Yes.

And obviously, you know, they only had like five

additional ones. But, um, you know, I don't know.

Just, yeah. Alrighty then, so... Okay, let's

see here. How does the season hold up? Um...

This season holds up pretty well. I mean... Well,

other than a certain young mutant who shall remain

nameless being whiny about the idea of somebody

getting killed, you know, somebody dying on Christmas...

Yeah. Miss, uh, you know, Twilight Princess over

there. Ow. Hey. Ow. hey if i if i can fit x -men

twilight and the legend of zelda all -in -one

reference yeah jubilee i've broken his brain

folks no no no you haven't broken my brain you

make me want like i i need you make me want to

find a convention or something where alison court

is a guest you make me want to drag you to that

convention and then just Stand in front of her

table. Just like hold you there and go apologize

Look this woman in the face and say you're sorry

man. It's not her fault It's still you're apologizing

to her nope you're apologize never Gonna get

it dude. I'm gonna make it my mission nope mission

you know do that all right so did the season

keep our interest throughout yeah well let's

see you know uh... you know we got we got uh...

the animated version of age of apocalypse we

got uh... yeah we have a uh... a time travel

at book we have silo finally making her debut

which made me really happy so uh... yeah uh...

Yeah, seeing Psylocke was great, because before

this, I had only ever really seen her on the

cards. Like, I mean, I've seen her in the comics

and stuff, but I never actually, at the time,

back in the 90s, I wasn't reading comics on a

regular like I kind of am these days. And I haven't

read Marvel stuff recently. It's been about three

years since I've read a Marvel book. I need to...

eventually go back and do some exploring and

whatever else and I'll do that eventually but

like back then the only time I ever saw Psylocke

was on like either the blue team or the gold

team trading card thing because the gold team

was Storm and the blue team was Cyclops so um

well it was a more it was kind of a more the

blue team was kind of more about stealth and

stuff like that so yeah Psylocke Gambit uh Wolverine

you know those those guys are you itching to

watch the next season now I'm kind of sad I'm

like I'm I'm ready to have a cigarette or something

like not that I ever smoke ever but it's one

of those things where it's like Beyond Good and

Evil was the ultimate climax to this series it

really really was so you know Would you recommend

this season of the show to other people? Um,

yeah. I'd recommend all four of the five seasons,

yeah. Not to mention the fact that, hey, it's

got guest appearance by a couple of characters

that are kind of like from the greater Marvel

universe, so, um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

I'm one of those... my comic geekdom it's like

any anything that expands the universe I'm like

bring it bring it no bring it bring it mm -hmm

absolutely bring it up my body's ready bring

it or or to quote from Indiana Jones my soul

is prepared how about what about yours yeah exactly

All right, so overall grade based on the GCR

Universal rating system zero to five stars What

are we gonna give it you can use half points

as well? Mmm. I'm gonna say four I gotta go with

five. I love this season Like I like when I watch

this back to prepare for this podcast I think

I watched all of these episodes within a day

and a half I just watched them back to back to

back. Like unless I had to go do something, unless

I had to leave the house, unless I had to edit

a podcast, I was watching season four, like all

in one shot. You binged. Yes, I binged it, and

I'm not ashamed of that fact at all. Did the

better half join you? No, no, no, she's not into

the cartoon. No, no, no, no. It's okay, though.

uh... they have on you know as long as you know

as long as she you know as long as you know you

get to to do your thing and she's not like you

know off to the side rolling her eyes and going

up Him and him and his yeah, no I yeah, no I

I watch most of the stuff that I watch Yeah,

that we don't watch together. I watch that when

she's at work because oh there you go That's

not even a problem so alright folks four and

a five for us for x -men season four x -men the

animated series season four We're gonna take

a quick break play some ads and some other stuff

and we'll come back to close the show after this

Wanna go? Out of the way, gumbo. On the Simplistic

Reviews podcast, we talk movies. We talk TV.

We talk - Hello, Julie, what the heck are you

doing? Trying to make our spot sound more exciting

by adding explosions. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you

could've got the point across with sound effects,

not the real thing. Download the show on iTunes

or at simplisticreviews .blogspot .com I'm sure

your insurance company will cover that! No, they

won't. No, they probably won't. The Powers of

Grayskull series will cover every episode of

all four Masters of the Universe cartoons. Join

Optimus Solo and myself, TF2 and Mike, as we

tell tales of Eternia, discover the myths of

Etheria, become Masters in space, and finally

Masters of Grayskull. We'll have a commentary

on the Secret of the Sword film and a few other

special episodes. You can find this 125 episode

long podcast in iTunes and on the web at GeekCastRadio

.com. By the power and honor of Grayskull, we

all have the power. Skeletor, hurry! I am hurrying!

I'm hurrying! I know what we're doing today.

Okay, Michael, if we're going to tackle this

podcast thing, we've got to do something really

special. It has to be cool, daily, in audio form,

and undetectable by radar. Something that screams

summer. I know! Let's do a Phineas and Ferb review

podcast. We'll call it the Podcast Organization

Without a Colacronym, or Pauka for short. What

do you think? I think if we're not careful, Candice

is gonna bust us. You can find Palka on the GeekCast,

Radio Network, iTunes, Blog Talk Radio, and all

of the other methods you find podcasts. Okay

then, carry on. Alright folks, we are back here

on Tooncast Beyond Episode 79. We're gonna close

this one out. Any final thoughts from you on

X -Men Season 4? Hey, I you know so far. It's

like every season. It's like oh, yeah, I just

I love this my this comic geek is like so happy

Absolutely if anyone wants to watch x -men the

animated series is currently on Hulu It's on

DVD somewhere. I think still, but I think those

are out of print I don't know please head on

over to the previously on x -men website and

order that from Jacob Brown Oh, yeah ordered

order directly absolutely uh... well and you

know it over on the website yeah it's still yeah

so yeah and and if they will and here's the thing

if they order it uh... off amazon which i mean

you know we're telling you do it directly but

you know if you want to use amazon that's fine

we're not gonna put you down but we will do it

we speaking for myself uh... but this what's

this we should uh... uh... yes speaking for myself

you know if you do if you do order it off amazon

that's that's okay uh... just leave a review

you know leave a review give give eric and julia

some love because this is an awesome book is

awesome book and we need we need to tell the

world world needs to know how cool this is absolutely

we do Alright, that's gonna do it for us here

on Tooncast Beyond. What do you got coming up?

Any kind of projects? I know you're gonna be

on your honeymoon and all that stuff, but what's

going on after that? As of this recording, I'm

heading on my honeymoon within days. As far as

projects, I'm still doing the Keeping It Reels

podcast. As of this recording, we're taking a

Thanksgiving break, but... we got stuff we got

stuff planned we got some reviews and some things

in hell you know we are going to be doing the

uh... reviewing the doctor who christmas special

when it comes out that uh... there's going to

be another one of those okay oh yeah oh no no

but this one's awesome this one's awesome because

they got uh... david bradley from game of thrones

in harry potter to play the uh... first doctor

so it's going to be the twelfth doctor in the

first one doing a big team up but the big news

is is that end of the episode will feature the

12th doctor regenerating into the 13th uh the

first the first female doctor ever in the history

of the show and you know people are people are

are waiting with faded breath to see how that

comes out because yeah she You know, they are

they revealed the costume recently that she's

gonna be wearing You know, we're just all you

know, who vians everywhere like okay. Let's let's

see what let's see what happens with this You

know, some people are complaining because you

know Internet why not but others, you know, but

others are like looking forward to this. I'm

kind of in the latter category I'm really looking

forward to won't get like any serious won't get

anything serious from her until next year, but

that first little a couple of minute appearance,

that's gonna be cool. Very cool, very cool. Alright

folks, that's gonna do it for us. Visit the website

geekcastradio .com where you can comment on this

and all other episode posts. Leave the show's

feedback in iTunes. If you are in iTunes, please

and if you're on any podcatcher or anything like

that, please make sure you're using the Tooncast

classic feed because that's what we're going

back to because Tooncast is gonna be reformatting.

Back to the original, we're pulling a Marvel,

folks. Or a DC or whatever. Follow us on Twitter

at TooncastBeyond and at Tfue and Mike, what

is your Twitter? No! Character limits! So, like,

yeah, thanks. Thanks, guys. Because I have to

do this now every single bloody time! Thank you

so... effing... much. Exactly. Become a fan on

Facebook. Go to Facebook .com slash Geocaster

Radio Network. We hope you enjoyed this episode

of Tooncast Beyond. I wish you'll join us next

time when we will be giving you our thoughts

on the Pixar film Inside Out. And Eduardo's better

half will be joining us because you guys have

some weird... Don't know you you explain this

to me like both of you have some weird hatred

for this movie or something What is that story

you told me one story sometime? Yeah, it's not

a she loves the movie but but my my hatred is

more geared towards the fact that Yeah, the creators

of the film just real really put on some trauma

fuel and just emotional Emotional baggage, so

I'm just like a little I'm just like dude. Stop

making my wife cry. Yeah Stop stop i mean i mean

you do you do you think you think louis black

is anger would make everybody laugh and it pretty

much does i mean no no it did it did it did but

we'll we'll cover that in the episode itself

but yeah absolutely we laugh we laugh but it's

like but then it's like oh and here's oh and

here's uh... here's the main you know the main

human characters childhood imaginary buddy and

now he's in oblivion yeah it's like We used to

like San Francisco until they ruined pizza All

right for now I am TFD1 Mike with Eduardo and

Pryor. Thank you for listening until next time

I'm done. Congratulations, San Francisco! You've

ruined pizza! First the Hawaiians, and now you!