X-Men The Animated Series Season 3

Previously on X -Men. Okay, Spidey. Next time,

use the front door. Well, what do you know? Put

out fly paper, catch a spider, make one wrong

move. Please. And you're a shish kebab. Hello

and welcome to Tooncast Beyond. This is episode

77. I am one of your hosts, TFJ. Mike, joining

me is Eduardo. Hello, sir. Hey, how you doing?

Good to be back. Yes, we are back. We're talking

more triple X stuff. No, I'm sorry. X -Men stuff.

Who knows? There might be an Axl Braun thing

of that. I don't know. Does every other superhero

thing. Anyway. Yes, x -men season 3 from 1992

we are here to talk about that And we're gonna

get right to it get to just the facts. We'll

be back after this Clowns anyway, he's in the

danger room bad news. I was in there practicing

I left it on what program was running deadly

sentinels spider sense is going crazy okay so

I'm gonna be a little late getting home Hey gang,

it's Optimus Solo and I'm here to give you just

the facts on X -Men The Animated Series. X -Men

The Animated Series is an American animated television

series which debuted in 1992 and ran to 1997,

lasting five seasons and airing 76 episodes.

It aired on the Fox network as part of its Fox

Kids Saturday morning lineup. This was Marvel

Comics' second attempt at an animated X -Men

TV series following the pilot X -Men Pride of

the X -Men, which was not picked up. Saban Entertainment

was contracted to produce the show and hired

a small studio, Graz Entertainment, to produce

the episodes as it did not have the sufficient

staff at the time to handle production in -house.

Graz employed the creative staff, wrote and designed

each episode, and even drew the storyboards.

The voice work was done using Canadian studios,

and the animation was done by the South Korean

studio, Acom. The plot was loosely adapted from

famous storylines and events in the X -Men comics,

such as the Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future

Past, the Phalanx Covenant, and the Legacy Virus.

The show features a team lineup similar to that

of the early 1990s X -Men comic books. The lineup

largely resembles that of Cyclops' Blue Team,

established in the early issues of the second

X -Men comic series. The series' first 13 episodes

were notable for being possibly the first time

ever that an American animated series had a full

season of episodes flow one into the next, i

.e. a continuity -based show, something the series'

producers fought heavily for. However, starting

with Season 3, most episodes were shown in random

order. Each episode was assigned two different

numbers internally. One is for script order,

which indicates the number assigned by the production

company. The other is the production order, which

are the official episode numbers assigned by

Fox Children's Network indicating the order that

they actually received the episodes from the

production company. These both vary from the

order in which the series actually aired, especially

after season 3. So we have three different sets

of orders in which these episodes could be organized.

According to series writer Stephen Melching,

the script order is the best guide in terms of

overall series continuity, as this is how the

stories were originally envisioned to flow together.

The X -Men animated show was the longest running

Marvel Comics animated series for 18 years. It

lasted six years during its five -season run,

which was the record until it was eventually

beaten by the Ultimate Spider -Man when its 77th

episode aired on October 17, 2015. So from 96

all the way until 2015, X -Men was the longest

-running Marvel Comics animated series. The series,

though, was cancelled after the episode graduation

day, which aired on September 20, 1997. And now

for some tuned trivia. David Hemblem, the voice

of Magneto in the show, was offered the chance

to play Magneto in the X -Men live -action movie.

Hemblem wanted the role, but he was forced to

turn down the role due to scheduling conflicts

with his show Earth, Final Conflict, which aired

in 1997. Also, the sound effect used for Magneto's

magnetic powers is the same sound effect used

for the Klingon cloaking device in Star Trek

III, The Search for Spock, from 1984. Today's

episode specifically focuses on Season 3. Season

3 lasted 19 episodes and aired from July 29,

1994 until June 11, 1995. The third season focuses

on the cosmic force, the Phoenix, which merges

with Jean Grey and eventually turns her into

the malevolent and powerful Dark Phoenix. The

season also introduced the Xia Empire, who wants

to stop the Dark Phoenix, including the Landria

and Gladiator. Other storylines include the introduction

of Wolverine's former lover turned mercenary,

Lady Deathstrike, former X -Men member Iceman,

and the villainous Shadow King. Now after the

Phoenix Saga and Season 3, episodes were aired

in a more random sequence. Also due to animation

problems with a few episodes, several would actually

not appear until the fourth or even the fifth

season. Season 3 is where the episode order gets

confusing. The Juggernaut returns, Nightcrawler,

and Weapon X lies and videotape episodes were

originally a part of Season 4. However, they

were pushed up to be included in Season 3 to

make up for the lack of the episodes No Mutant

is an Island, A Deal with the Devil, and Longshot,

which got pushed back. In fact, No Mutant is

an Island was supposed to explain Jean Grey's

return, which would then set up the Dark Phoenix

saga. causing some problems if you were to watch

the series in actually air date order versus

script order. Also to note of Season 3, we have

the two -parter Savage Land and two multi -part

episodes, the Dark Phoenix Saga, which is a four

-parter, and the Phoenix Saga, which is a five

-parter. So that's just the facts for today,

and now let's toss it over to TFG1 Mike and company

as they discuss in detail Season 3 of X -Men.

The animated series. Huh? Guess the ride's over.

Not for you, it ain't. Enough! What do you want

here? I came to see you, Professor Charles Xavier.

So that's it. I'm mutating. Into what? I don't

know. Can you cure me? I'm sorry, Spider -Man.

My work is not to cure mutants. I've built this

complex, this school, to train them. I help them

accept who and what they are. Accept it? But

I don't want to be a freak! Watch your mouth,

pal. Being a mutant's a gift. Well, what if this

gift turns me into some kind of eight -legged

monster? I wish I had an answer for you. I am

sorry for your pain. Don't worry about my pain

worry about yours if I mutate into a dangerous

creature and you have to stop folks We are back.

Thank you so much. Mr. Just the fax person We're

gonna kind of I'll very Jerry Lewis of you. Yes,

exactly There are no balls of fire who are here

Finally even yeah, no I Wanted to be funny ha

ha not funny. Ho ho That was from animaniacs,

mr. Director So for this one we're gonna kind

of skip our history with the show because we

kind of already told you guys So we're gonna

get right into the season breakdown X -Men Season

3 highlights and lowlights of the season for

episodes and all of that. We get to talk about

the episode order. I'm going to read this directly.

I know everyone hates when I do this, but I don't

care. It's information. After the Phoenix Saga

episodes were aired in a more random sequence,

also due to animation problems with a few episodes,

several would not appear until the fourth or

even fifth season. So, Season 3, 4, and 5 are

really f - fucked up when it comes to figuring

out what goes where. Yep. Yep. So we kick off

this season with out of the past two parter,

which is all about Wolverine and his former sweetheart

and girlfriend, Yuriko, AKA Lady Deathstrike.

Yep. Which, wow, I'm surprised they were able

to throw the reverse in because I remember like

last season when we had Mr. Sinister, his minions

were the nasty boys, because they couldn't use

the Marauders, because the first time we ever

saw the Marauders, they were massacring an entire

population. The fact that they were able to include

the Reavers, because the Reavers did their share

of... They're pretty violent characters, so the

fact that they were able to use them. You know,

it was just, I was, I'm kind of astonished. I

think, astonished, eh, you say? Eh, no, no, no.

Do we need, you know, to jump to astonishing

X -Men? No, pun not intended. Pun not intended.

Pun not intended. So, the Reavers, I don't know

the comic origin for them, because I'm mainly...

Okay folks, and I've said this before in the

last... Six seven eight nine ten years Most of

the comic stuff that happened in cartoons in

the 90s I learned about it from the cartoon and

then went back to the car Like I was not a big

comic reader as a kid. I was more of a cartoon

watcher So to find out that these not necessary

These were adaptations of original stories by

Claremont or whoever the hell at Marvel is like,

oh, okay. That's cool They adapted it. That's

great The Reavers to me basically what you're

telling me that they're more violent in the comic

or which most things are more violent in the

comic than they are in the cartoon Yeah, you

know except you know when the Joker shoots Barbara

in anyway, that's horrible. Yeah, um They look

pretty tame in this that's probably why they

put them in like Well, probably it's probably

a little easier to do the to do the Reavers because

for the most part they're just Cyborg Mercs,

whereas something like the Marauders might be

a little harder to do just because of the...

Again, their nature is just pretty violent. You

know, hell, one of them is a guy named Riptide

who basically spins into a cyclone and throws

out like throwing stars and stuff like that.

So it might be a little harder to adapt than

just, okay, this guy's wearing cybernetic armor

and he has a BFG. Okay, yeah, we can do that.

What I remember most about about uh the opening

two -parter is the fact that this was on not

like it debuted not saturday mornings but actually

in the evenings it was like uh i think beyond

uh this opening two -parter and like other stuff

fox actually put this as like a special evening

thing i think yeah yeah it was definitely prime

time yeah it was i forget if it was i forget

if what they Had with it was Power Rangers or

something else Like I forget what they had with

it But yeah, it was a couple of things from their

Saturday morning lineup and it was like, you

know special evening presentation Yeah I know

at one point it was at one point it was Power

Rangers though. Yeah At one of these points they

had a Power Rangers two -parter Yeah, oh It might

have been white light maybe when Tommy comes

back because his green powers are gone and they

create the white ranger So I might have been

maybe white or me. I think it was something where

Rita repulsa created like an evil Green ranger.

Yeah Well, it was that I think it was that one

and the power there's like in Revolutionary war

times. Oh Boy, I I can't Concentrating on x -men

is hard enough for me. I can't I can't even begin

to think trying to remember Power Rangers stuff

right now What I liked about season 3 the opening

to this and whatever else like Out of the past

at the end of it it has I don't I'm on Hulu they

have Coming next week the Phoenix and it has

this huge like I took a picture I took a screen

cap because I was watching it on my actual television

because hey I have a TV now I don't it's not

mine. It's my fiance's but whatever You have

access access. Yes, exactly You know, so I'm

watching it on there and I took a screw. I'm

like, oh, it's not really a screen cap It's me

with my new smartphone Angling it to the right

way to just show the TV thing where it says coming

next week the phoenix saga I like out of the

past again gives more backstory to Wolverine

more character Depth to him very very cool Just

Really, really enjoyed it. And then the Phoenix

Saga is... It's some deep stuff, folks. Yeah.

Well, and some cool cameos, too. Yup. Including

a certain friendly neighborhood guy that everybody

knows and loves. Did he show up? Kinda sorta.

Not really. It's like, well, when they had all

the, you know, when they went back to Earth and

you kinda saw everybody, you know, like, all

the stuff happening and... You know all these

heroes trying to like contain the the disaster

You saw like a hand you saw his hand come out

and like web people out of the way. Oh Okay.

Yeah, cuz you know we had the Mutant Agenda two

-parter in his series so yeah, very cool. Yeah,

so he you know pulled pulled a You know pulled

an appearance. It's like yeah guys remember.

I live here, too But the difference with Spider

-Man 94 and X -Men 92, and everybody knows this,

the X -Mansion is upstate New York and Peter

is in Queens. But still, all the world was in

danger so Pete could take a minute to save a

few lives. War Machine saved a couple of kids.

I think, and yeah, they even had a cameo by Mishnari,

which it's like, okay, yay, Storm Godson, whatever.

Where's Quicksilver? Where's Scarlet Witch? Yeah,

exactly. Where's Quicksilver? Because we have

other speedsters, right? Yeah, yeah, we do. So,

why do you have to have this kid show up? You

know, there's Barry Allen, and Wally West, and

Jay Garrick. Wrong universe. Oh right, whoops.

Wrong company, wrong company. Come on. Marvel,

Marvel, Marvel, Marvel. Although man, love Jay

Garrick, especially John Wesley's ship with Jay.

Oh absolutely, yes. I hope he shows up in season

four. I don't know if he actually will. Season

three. Season three. No, no, season four. no

wait no flash season 4 now yes it's season 4

now wow yes flash season 4 season 3 yes it is

I will I will get you caught up after this anyway

the phoenix saga how do we want to kind of talk

about this thing because it's a epic four -parter

space battle she are thing well I mean she are

and then plus yeah it's I mean it Well, I know

that the first time that live -action movies

decided to do this, they had it completely earthbound,

but this Phoenix Saga is one of the most iconic

X -Men stories of all time, and you just, it's

one of those things where you gotta, you know,

you absolutely gotta, like, you gotta have the

she -ar, you gotta have the space and all that,

you know, so I mean, that's just the only way

to do it. And, you know, just, it's just like,

you know, I'm sorry to say that if, you know,

if you can't have the She -R and all that as

a part of it, then don't do it. You know, I think

also, I think the Phoenix Saga, I think was also

shown, was it also shown in the evenings? Yeah,

it probably was. Or at least, if not in the evenings,

it definitely was a weekday thing. like it definitely

was a weekday thing because I remember like I

do remember um you know I do remember that it

was not done as a um that they definitely did

it as a um as like uh yeah that they definitely

had um you know they had it not just on Saturday

mornings yeah absolutely because it was so big

and like you said it's one of the biggest most

important X -Men stories of all time in you know

what I what I found interesting though Is that

you know for those of course for those who are

you know who know about comic lore? We have Phoenix

Saga, and you know pretty much ends with you

know the heroes you know the heroes triumph universe

is saved and Xavier gets to hang around with

his alien with his alien girlfriend And then

of course we have Dark Phoenix Saga which ended

in this very bittersweet moment because, you

know, Jean Grey manages to assert herself and

she sacrifices herself to save the universe,

you know, and poor Scott is like, I've got a

dead girlfriend now. Great! Yeah, she's not really

dead. Yeah, well, well, and it's like, but I

noticed that the cartoon... kind of did it in

reverse in the sense that Phoenix Saga ends with

Gene, you know, going into the sun to like, you

know, guard the Emkron crystal for eternity,

Cyclops broken -hearted, but then we have Dark

Phoenix Saga and with that one Gene is like cured

of the Phoenix Force and able to like, and you

know, able to to be around. So it's kind of interesting

that they reversed it like that. Yeah. Of course

then, you know, we have In between this is where

the the Giants snafu of You know of the episodes

comes in but but yeah, I always just thought

I always thought that was weird and hey gotta

also gotta love the cameos that that Phoenix

Saga and Dark Phoenix Saga threw in like I know

I want to say I know one of them I'm gonna I'm

gonna say I want to say it was I think maybe

Dark Phoenix did, you know, in addition to the

fact that in Phoenix Saga we had War Machine

and Spider -Man trying to like, you know, save

people while the world's about to, while the

world and the universe are about to implode.

I remember one, there was one of them, I want

to say Dark Phoenix Saga, where Phoenix is like

flying off and we had a bunch of cosmic and mystic

characters from Marvel kind of like show up to

be like, what is that? Kind of have that, oh,

something's going on. And I think also in one

of them also we had Captain Britain did a cameo.

We just had him like flying around. He sees Phoenix

kind of in the sky in the back and he turns around

like, what the bloody hell is that? What's all

this then? It was cool having those little cameos.

And again, it's something, I think I mentioned

this when we recorded season one, like way back

in the 60s. Talking episode count for the podcast,

not the actual year. 67. Yeah, 67. I talked about

one of the great things about the cameos, X -Men

characters, but also Marvel Universe. Yeah, it's

Marvel Universe. This is taking place in the

MU. But yeah, that is just, the Phoenix Saga

is, yeah, I mean, epic is the only word that

can describe it. Yeah, pretty much. And the TV

show does a pretty decent job of bringing that

over. Because, yeah, in the comics, I mean, we

not only have... We had the stuff with Eric the

Red, we had the X -Men traveling to, like, another

galaxy. Heck, we even had Fire Lord from, you

know, former Herald of Galactus show up for a

couple of times. So, you know, it's... So, yeah,

they really... And Dark Phoenix Saga, same thing,

you know? It was... Well, not as cosmically epic,

but still, like, wow, just, you know... It's

one of those things that you know at the end

you're just like holy cow, you know, this has

been a story Yeah, absolutely it has Absolutely

it has there Between Phoenix and Dark Phoenix

like honestly, I know there are other episodes

in this season But really between the five part

five part Phoenix Saga and the four part Dark

Phoenix Saga. Yeah That's nine episodes of just

wow. Oh, hell yeah. Like, oh my god. It's just

so cool. Just so very cool. What's really cool

is they really didn't touch on this in the cartoon,

but the M. Kron crystal is supposed to be guarded

by, it's supposed to have aliens guarding it.

And like the first alien is this little looks

at this little guy like this little tiny guy

just like a couple of feet and But this guy is

so strong. He actually punched Wolverine into

orbit Yeah, like that's how that's up And then

there was this other and then like he got he

got beaten but then this new guardian shows up

which was like 20 feet high and He he just matter

-of -factly says okay you beat the guy before

me but I'm the next guardian in line I'm a thousand

times more powerful than him you beat me next

guy over is gonna be a thousand times more powerful

than me so it's like oh oh dear god it's like

being stuck in like the worst boss battle you

can imagine because it's like yeah you know it's

just gonna get progressively worse until you're

just gonna get your ass kicked absolutely Now,

I will say, folks, I watch these episodes, I

watch the series on Hulu. The Hulu order is very

different than what is listed online. We do have,

like I said, the nine episodes that make up Phoenix

and Dark Phoenix. But in between those, we have

like Obsession and No Mutant is an Island and

Long Shot and Savage Land, Strange Heart. Cold

Comfort, Orphans End, Courage, and then it ends

with Sanctuary 1 and 2. It has Secrets Not Long

Buried, Love and Vain, Xavier Remembers, and

it ends with A Deal with the Devil, which is

another Omega Red episode. I'm not sure of the,

like, that's why I tweeted at X -Men TAS. Like,

what's the real order for story? Like, what's

the real story order here? They make sense kind

of sort of on the Hulu listing of watching them.

Like, I didn't feel like I was out of place or

anything watching these on Hulu. When we get

to season four next week... I will be out of

place a little bit because on Hulu, Beyond Good

and Evil is in the middle and not at the end,

which is weird. Like, the last episode of Season

4, Season 4 only has 15 episodes, the last episode

has bloodlines. And I'm like, wait. Like, no,

can you just move those up, Hulu? Can you kinda

correct that, I guess, and whatever? Well, see,

it's even worse. I mean, it's worse because,

okay, you have the Hulu, I guess the Hulu...

The Hulu order, I guess, is supposed to be like

the actual order of episodes. Like what they

come in. On IMDB, they have it in order of air

date. Which, and the problem is, is that that's

where we run into the thing where then stuff

is all over the place. Because it has, because

air date... Right after Phoenix Saga, we have

Savage Land, Savage Heart, and Savage Land, Strange

Heart. Then we have Obsession, then it goes into

Dark Phoenix, and then the season is Cold Comfort,

Orphans End, Juggernaut Returns, Nightcrawler,

and Weapon X lies in Videotape. Yeah. So a lot

of that stuff. I will say, though, that one of

the things, I will say that as far as like, okay,

as far as being problematic, I will say that

okay where the problem goes is the fact that

we have no mutant is an island which has Scott

Taking like a vacay from the X -Men because he's

still mourning the fact that Gene has disappeared

I remember in Savage Land when the the Savage

Land two -parter came out That we had a reference

to the fact that oh and Gene is on you know Scott

is with Gene over in in your island, and I'm

like wait what Wait, hold on here because she's

supposed to be in the Sun. Did I miss something?

It's kind of like when they had the the alternate

ending to the To the the Genosha two -parter

in season one and then you have like the the

juggernaut episode where the mansions obliterated

It's like wait a minute. Did I wait wait stop.

Did I miss an episode? Wait, what's going on

here? So yeah having no mutant is an island.

It then turns, you know having it where it is

it makes it then a more of it, you know, they

have it. The air date was in season five. So

that makes it kind of a, that makes it more like

a flashback episode than an ad because again,

we have Scott taking a vacay trying to sort his

feelings. And at the end, finding out, wait,

we found Gene. And it's like, I have a reason

to live again and not be emo lope. Yes. Stuff

like, well, the fact that at the end of one thing

I was a orphans end. That's not as much of a

problem because Corsair is talking to Cyclops

and going, Oh, so you're marrying that woman

who saved the universe indicating probably after

Dark Phoenix. So its placement is is okay. The

rest of the episodes, the placements weird. But

like, for example, the last the last four, the

other the other the other four of the last five

of season three. You could probably, you know,

you could, they could probably be okay, because

if anything, having Cyclops and Gene missing,

you could always just say that, you know, you

could always just, like, I took it to mean that,

well, Cyclops and Gene are just, like, you know,

Gene's resting and recovering, and, you know,

Cyclops is just there with her because, hey,

he loves her. So, you know, it's one of, like,

there's no dialogue that specifically says, you

know, well, you know, well what can we do because

Cyclops is still, you know, Cyclops is with Gene

on Mere Island, you know, like there's nothing

dropping that's specifically, you know. There's

nothing telling that it could be this or it could

be that. It's only the Savage Land 2, Parker,

and Oh Mutant is an island that we really have

the problem. yeah absolutely okay so you want

me to really break your brain we've been talking

about the episode order for season three and

season four how about the disc episode order

for the actual discs for volume four volume three

and volume four disc one on x -men marvel comic

book collection volume three disc one lists savage

land strange heart two -parter obsession then

dark phoenix is the first seven is the first

is the seven episodes on disc one disc two is

cold comfort orphans and the juggernaut returns

night cryler whippin x lies and video tames what

one man's worth and then courage volume four

is proteus one and two sanctuary one and two

beyond good and evil one through four on the

first disc for volume four and then have yourself

a morlock little christmas The Lotus and the

Steel, Love in Vein, Secrets Not Long Buried,

Xavier Remembers and Family Ties is disc two.

And that's for volume four. And that's coming

from my good buddies over at TV shows on DVD,

X number of years. This announcement was back

in 2009, obviously. So yeah. So there is that.

And yeah, that's the only I was looking to see

if they had any other news articles with the

actual episode lists on them Man, they don't.

Oh wait cap. How was how the hell was cap and

red skull in season five? I don't remember that.

Oh, yeah, because they had there was that yeah

there was an episode that had a flashback to

Wolverine and Okay, so season three Go ahead.

There may be a ray of hope that may put this

whole debate about episode order in the later

seasons to bed. Some of the people behind the

X -Men cartoon are going to be releasing a book

called Previously on X -Men which is about the

making of the cartoon and what not. Hopefully,

hopefully that will have the actual, for reals,

canon order to things. Yeah, we gotta get Julie

and Eric on here so we can actually talk to them.

Or even, you know what, we gotta find a way to

get, maybe even Larry. Larry could probably give

us a hand with that too. You know, Larry Houston.

I can't believe I'm actually calling him Larry.

It's like, yeah, I spoke to him once and I follow

him on Facebook. I don't know... I don't know

if... I don't know if I've earned the right.

I don't know if I've earned the right to call

him by his first name. I mean, I'm sure he probably

wouldn't mind, but, you know, still. I kind of...

Kind of don't want to be presumptuous. Yep, exactly.

Yeah, but hopefully that book or talking to Eric

Leewald and Larry Houston and others will put

to rest exactly when this was supposed to happen.

Because yeah, that's the problem. Season 3 is

where everything just starts to go haywire because

episodes are just all over the place. Yep. So

it's like I don't even know yeah, it's like do

we it's like when I was preparing for this I'm

like okay. Do we go with Air date order do we

go with like official order? I don't All is I

want is In so far it's made sense watching on

Hulu It's not going to make sense in season four

when Beyond Good and Evil is like in the middle

of the damn season It's not going to make sense

but All is I really want is a list of the X -Men

92 animated series episodes from season one to

season five that are story order. I don't care

about air date. I don't care about production.

I want it to make sense for the story. Like,

okay. For example, you go over to IDW publishing,

they have the turtles hardcover, the TMNT ongoing

hardcovers where They present the comic in story

order. It's not broken up, it's not this, it's

not that. So, you know, it just, yeah, story

order, please. So. Well, okay, well, at least,

and I see that IDW did the same thing with...

IDW did the same thing with Transformers, with

their main Transformer comics. Yeah, with Phase

2. Where they have collections that put it...

Yeah, they put it in... Pretty much, I mean,

I've heard some debate in like where a couple

of things are placed, but they do have like collections

that put everything in pretty much in order.

Yeah, absolutely. I would say though, I would

say that at the very least like, you know, at

the very least in the episodes like, yeah, Beyond

Good and Evil, I think you were telling me that

you think of Beyond Good and Evil as pretty much

a series finale. Yeah, I will say though that

at the very least it's not like at least putting

it in the middle like yeah putting it in the

middle of season four really doesn't make sense

but at the same time at the same time at the

very least story -wise it's not like the episodes

that are put later it's not like there's references,

you know, it's not like Beyond Good and Evil

references stuff that happened in there. Yeah,

I know, I know, but it's, for me, it's more of

a, it's more of a sticking point than anything

else because I just, beginning, middle, end.

If your ending is supposed, and I understand

the point of the information that was, oh, Well,

they did, they did do this as an ending. They

did beyond good and evil as the ending of the

series. And then Fox was like, Hey, here's more

money. Give us more episodes. Yeah. Whatever

it was. I'm not saying anything bad about that.

I under like that should happen with justice

league when they, when they ended it with epilogue

and all that. And then, Oh, Hey, we want to,

you know, do unlimited and whenever else. So

I'm not saying anything against that. I'm just

saying. Whomever is that hulu or whomever is

controlling this stuff needs to put the Order

Correctly is more so what I'm saying It's not

really anything about anybody that worked on

the x -men 92 cartoon at all because they all

did amazing amazing work Yeah So hopefully what

well hopefully again when previously on x -men

comes out? Hopefully hopefully that can be used

buy a site like Hulu or Netflix or whatever to

present it in the order it was intended. And

then we do get Beyond Good and Evil at the end

of Season 4 and then we get the additional stuff

with the different animation company in Season

5, like after that. But I mean, I think right

now it all depends on what, if they do have something

about the episode order in previously, that then

we'll find it we'll know for sure you know because

that that that is done involving the people who

made the show so that has this kind of okay this

this like word of god aspect where okay we need

to follow this because this is how they did it

absolutely um so yes word of magneto damn it

um Maybe you want to go there. Well, it's either

that or you follow Gambit, you know down to the

swamp Well, hey, I don't know. I mean a lot of

ladies dig Gambit so, you know Follow Xavier

there you go They're just not just just not his

astral self because his astral self is evil is

all shit. Holy crap. Yeah I did like that and

I think we do need to talk about that where as

part of it was Phoenix or Dark Phoenix where

he goes all astral Um, I think it's dark Phoenix

Yes, it's dark Phoenix. Him versus Gene. Yes

where it's basically Yeah, where it's, in the

beginning it's him attacking everybody, remember?

And they're like, why are you attacking us? Yadda

yadda yadda. And they think it's some sort of

imposter or whatever, but it really is him. And

then Wolverine's like, it's not him. I can't

smell him. You know, that kind of thing. Dark

Shroud, that's what it's called. That's okay.

Oh, it was in Phoenix. It was in Phoenix Saga,

yeah. Either way, my point is, the story of Xavier's

astral self or you know basically talking about

his powers that he's at the after in the aftermath

he says I've worked for years trying to hone

my powers and trying not to let my emotions get

the best of me because this is what happens if

I do what happens if I let go or whatever else

so absolutely love that thought that was great

that they explored that And honestly, up to this

point in Season 3, the first three seasons, how

they've explored each individual team member's

powers, they've kind, like, we don't really need

a lot of explanation for Jubilee. I mean, we

got the whole Knight of the Sentinels thing,

she's a mutant, she has, you know, mutant firework

things or whatever. but you know but like Wolverine

that you know they did his origin they've done

like kind of Scott and Gene's origin they even

talk about you know later on in the series they

talk about oh Cable he's our son and yada yada

yada and all that and everything else they they

give more like I really thought morph was that

Hate to use this term, but blame not another

teen movie for this please not me I Originally

thought morph was gonna be the token black guy

of the series where he shows up for five minutes

gets killed And we never see him again, but no

they bring him back they they redeem him they

give him character development and That is so

what I think that is so well done Yeah, yeah

that well Yeah, they gave it was nice to give

him this and yeah I kind of thought too that

he was just the sacrificial lamb You know just

to kind of just to kind of show off that Yep,

this you know this is a battle that has consequences

but Yeah, they brought him they brought him.

They you know they brought him back. They actually

made him like you know they first they did the

villain the villain thing, but I Like that they

I like that they did I like they did the villain

thing but then he got out of it and then they

you know they yeah they kind of had him uh they

kind of had him take a break but I did like the

episode where he came back and the fact that

it's him kind of dealing with his uh how do we

put this his little um dying dying uh PTSD yeah

absolutely Absolutely, yeah, and we got a we

got a cameo by we got a cameo by classic angel

when morph When morph like transformed into them.

Yeah, absolutely Um, all right. So yes, we are

going to continue to watch kind of how does out

of the season hold up? I think outside of the

technical issues with episode order and whatever

else, all of these episodes are very enjoyable,

especially the two big story arcs that are here.

Absolutely love them both. Um, again, as we said

last week, probably children anywhere from 12

and up, I would say 11 might be a little too

young for this season specifically. Well, yeah,

okay, yeah, this season's a little darker, but

I still think if it's a mature enough one, they

might be able to handle it. I mean, okay, there

might be a little bit of trauma involved when

Jean has to, you know, do her long distance job

in the sun, but, you know, it's not, I would

say that it's not so bad that, you know, we're

not talking having to call the... you know, call

the producers and the director and be like, you

traumatized my child! Kind of like when, um...

You killed Optimus Prime, my son won't come out

of his closet! Yeah, exactly, exactly. The show

is old enough that you could be like, wait, wait,

wait, but look, she's back, she comes back, see?

It's not like you gotta... Phoenix also rises,

yeah. You don't have to go through an entire

season where, or like... half a season where

there's no gene and then be like look look it's

okay it's okay you can come out of your room

now she's alive see look look she's alive i'm

not lying at least they didn't do to her what

they did to optimus they killed they they killed

him dark awakening running back as a zombie it's

like um hello traumatized enough over here yeah

well it's like it's like with the tf uh it's

like with the tf um the tf wiki date it's like

Showing a shot of like the zombie optimus prime

mm -hmm, and it's like yes kids. This is how

you're gonna remember your hero Yep, absolutely

All right overall rating for season 3 0 to 5

you can use half points for me. I'll give it

a 4 I guess I'm gonna okay I Lordy I'm gonna

give it a 3 .5. Not because of story quality

or anything like that but just because this is

where we start to hit the uh the bump in the

road yeah yeah and and it's just and it's like

yeah it yeah it's the bump in the road that did

it it's not the quality yeah um oh jeez see it's

it's like so difficult because like one of the

i i i watched it in air date order So, you know,

you have stuff like, you also have stuff like

the Nightcrawler episode, which was just, which

I love, especially because it's like, wait a

minute, we're going to be talking religion here?

You know, we're going to be, you know, we're

going to be all about, you know, we're actually

going to approach that in a Saturday morning

cartoon. It's like, holy cow, you know, especially

seeing Wolverine kind of trying to give it a

try. It's like, all right, I think I'll do this

pray to God stuff. Let's see what happens. bub

Yeah All right, we're gonna take one final break.

We're gonna come back with last words after this

Penny for your thoughts I mean you no harm. I

just want to talk. I've heard all I want to hear

from you people Excuse me. All right. We are

back here on to cast beyond episode 77 season

3 of x -men the animated series Anything we left

out that we want to bring up before we get out

of here? Uh, not much. I mean, you know, and

again, uh, I kinda, it's, it's weird talking

about these seasons because everything is just

so jumbled. It's like, I don't know. I don't

know if we could talk about this episode or not.

I mean, I suppose next time when we do season

four, you know, we could, you know, we could

have a little bit more leg room, but it's just,

uh. Confusion yep, so much confusion my brain

my brain is doing the hurting I need a gummy.

I need the brain specialist I was gonna say what

the hell does Gumby and pokey have to do with

it Yes, I am the brain specialist Um, anything

you want to promote before I close the show?

Um, yeah. As usual, I'm still a part of, uh,

still a part of Keeping It Reels. You know, you

can find us on Tarpeo, you can find our Facebook

page, which is Let's Be Reels, and yeah, we got,

well, this is, uh, I believe that this episode

is going to be airing right before, uh, basically

the week right before Halloween. Um... something

like that. Halloween is actually the anniversary

of the show. Wow, okay. Well, you know, it's

going to be, well, you know, if you're listening

to this week before Halloween, I would suggest

that you definitely will want to listen to Keeping

It Real is the episode that we're doing. It's

going to be all about, because it's Halloween,

we're going to be talking all about nightmare

fuel. So, you know. Chances are, I mean, I know

I have my list of stuff, of Nightmare Fuel stuff,

and that includes, for example, basically almost

all of Secret of Nim and a lot of the Dawn of

the Leaf catalog, the original Wicker Man, and

of course, one of my personal animated favorites,

the Brave Little Toaster and the song Worthless.

Yes, kids, we're gonna be singing while... Talking

cars are getting killed But yeah, that's just

a tiny sneak preview of what I'm doing and sorry

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uh yeah now now now when it comes to mountain

time that's when it gets hard screw that time

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