Spider-Man: The Animated Series Season 5

Hello, folks, and welcome to episode 74 of Tooncast

Beyond. I'm, of course, Tfcho and Mike, and joining

me once again is Eduardo. Hello, sir. How you

doing, sir? Pretty good, pretty good. And we

polish off the Spider -Man cup - I'm going to

redo that. What the hell? You ass! Beyond good,

beyond evil, beyond your wildest imagination.

Who amongst you has ever wanted to give up their

superpowers? I have. Because I've learned time

and time again that with great power there must

also come great responsibility. Hello and welcome

to Tooncast Beyond episode 74. I am of course

TF2 and Mike and joining me once again, possibly

for the last time, is that asshat, Eduardo. Wait,

am I Eduardo or am I his clone? Have you actually

been recording with the clone all along? Okay,

Ben Reilly. Spider carnage. All right, so we

are here This is the last episode of spider -man

the animated series the 1994 classic animated

cartoon season 5 This is a 13 episode season

Thank God for that And this season really does

fit Well, I know last week I said it kind of

didn't or it in between season four and season

five I felt that that they really didn't fit

all that much but I look at the wedding is kind

of like a a One -off at this point now. I mean

it does tie but we've got the six forgotten warriors

for parter after that or five parter I Love the

fact that they did six forgotten warriors. I

thought that was great Oh, yeah. No, I... The...

Six Forgotten... See, this is the thing. I mean,

I've been a Marvel zombie since, well, before...

Well, basically since forever, before X -Men,

the animated series, before Spider -Man. And

I ate up the Marvel handbooks. So, reading those

things, reading all this Marvel history, and

then Six Forgotten Warriors, the fact that they

actually... pulled out some obscure characters

for this. I was in heaven. I was like, oh my

god, this is so cool. Absolutely. It really,

really is. And the fact that Paul Winfield is

the voice of the Black Marvel. Oh, yeah. Paul

Winfield, he is another one of those people who

has a voice that you instantaneously remember.

after this I'm like you know I think it was on

A &E it might have been on another network but

you know all those you know all those crime shows

that they have on yeah not the reality not Duck

Dynasty and all that bullshit like City Confidential

is is one of the ones that I think A &E had had

it was on one of those networks and and he was

the narrator for it and I remember a few you

know good five six years ago now I'm like hey

Seeing reruns that I'm like hey, it's it's it's

it's the black Marvel. It's Paul Winfield awesome

Because I just see I I always remember him as

Captain Terrell from Wrath of Khan So, you know

having him be the yeah having him be the black

Marvel and you know Actually managed to get through

the adventure without getting things in his ears.

That's that's cool to see um the other thing

about this um about this season is we end up

uh you know kind of wrapping up in a nice little

bow but leaving us with a cliffhanger at the

end yeah yeah i got i think when we when we get

yeah i mean i well is it too early to talk about

that or yeah it's we got to talk about some of

the yeah yeah yeah Yeah, because I mean, again,

I said this last episode, but yeah, I have thoughts

about that. Yeah, it just... Once again, like

I mentioned last week, I wish I had gotten a

hold of John Semper Jr. to take part in his Indiegogo

from a couple of years ago, but... I do love

the Six Forgotten Warriors five -parter. I think

that was very well done. And then we have Return

of Hydro Man, where we find out that scientist

Miles Warren has cloned. So this isn't even the

real Hydro Man. This is a production line copy.

Not a fan of Miles Warren, are you? No, it's

not okay All right, how do I put this? How do

I put this? How do I put this in a way that will

not have me going into nerd rage? Okay, I've

got no problem with Miles Warren the character

Where I have a problem is Yeah, what is the fact

that this was This was one of the this is one

of the moments during the season where they decided

to acknowledge what was going on in the comics

at the time, which was the the the giant flaming

deluxe edition bag of Cluster fuck excuse my

language. That was the clone saga. Yes the thing

where it's like just when you think it felt like

Just every it's like Bad enough, you know bad

enough that okay, let's bring the jackal back

to life. Okay, let's bring the spider clone back

to life Let's basically tell fans that the spider

-man they've been reading for 25 years is not

the real spidey Let's you know and just kept

building on and on and on and you know Oh, let's

bring back the Green Goblin and you know, somehow

Make something up to explain. He's the real mastermind

behind everything. It's just it's just banging

head against the wall and going just stop stop

stop stop stop stop just stop we're begging you

stop so it's like yeah the minute I heard Dr.

Miles Warren I'm like oh god no oh god no no

no god no no no no the only good thing about

this two -parter for me is two things it gives

Mary Jane a little bit more Kind of continuity

to her even though we find out she is also she's

basically A water clone. She's she's what water

baby Mary Jane when I was gonna say was she's

basically um She's Eve to hydro man's Adam essentially

Well, that's what they did. That's what he does.

He redid He re -cloned the original hydro man

and then he took a sample of that and then made

the Mary Jane clone because when he cloned the

Hydra man he didn't just get all the powers and

the physique he got the personality and he got

the obsessiveness and everything so essentially

they pulled an Adam and Eve here you know next

thing you know okay everybody out of the pool

yeah oh jeez yeah The other thing I liked about

the Hydro Man thing is obviously because it is

Hydro Man, you have Rob Paulson returning to

the voice, so that's nice. Again, it just...

The ending to this is... And everyone says this,

the best thing about that episode is the ending.

No, no, no, no. What? Nope, I'm gonna, I just,

uh, no. What? The ending is Madame Web taking

Spidey to go take his test. Well, yeah, yeah,

yeah. Okay, yeah, we got the set up for Secret

Wars, but we had to have, once again, angst.

Angst. Guess what? Your wife was a water clone

baby, and now she's gone. Oh, but wait, you can't,

you know, you can't freak out about it now because

we got a, you know, we got this big cosmic test

for you. It's like, wow. Jeez. Ugh. Oh, jeez.

But yeah, it's just, wow, you know, give the

guy a break. It's like, yeah, yep, yep, your

life seems to be going great because hey! your

best girls back in the gate and you revealed

your identity to her and she still loves you

you got married in uh... nope sorry water water

baby clone sorry sorry your life isn't let the

people You know what the sad thing is this episode

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now we're gonna get into secret and spider war

Secret wars I had never read the I still have

not read the original secret wars thing. I know

I know I have to I know Marvel tried to redo

it a couple of years ago That yeah, they they

tried to do like a spiritual kind of sequel to

it and Really? It was just an excuse to play

greatest hits It's like, hey, remember Inferno?

Wasn't Inferno cool? Yeah? Yeah? You remember

Inferno? Well, look, here's an alternate universe

where Inferno never ended. Hey, hey, remember

Civil War? Wasn't Civil War cool? Oh, look, here's

the alternate universe based on how that could

have ended. Oh, remember the animated X -Men

series? Remember how cool it was? Well, look,

here's a universe where, look, it's still going

on. See? See? It's all this cool stuff. Remember?

Remember how cool it was? That was Secret Wars.

That was like... I mean, DC did the same thing

where it's just, you know, pulling stuff out

like, hey, remember Earth 2 where it had the

JSA and they were in World War 2? Yeah? Yeah?

Remember Batman in the 90s? The only Batman in

the 90s that mattered was Batman the Animated

Series. Anyway. And Batman Beyond, but that was

the tail end of the 90s. Alright, so Secret Wars.

Basically, this is the big test that Madame Rat...

Wow, Madame Raz. Holy crap, where's the broom

when you really need him? Holy shit, how did

I cross - Wrong podcast. I was going to say,

yeah, how did I cross Masters of the Universe

characters with Marvel? Oh my god. Wow. So Madame

Webb brings Spider -Man to another dimension

where he's brought before being known as the

Beyonder and the Beyonder sets up the whole thing

and - He, you know, villains like Doc Ock, and

Dr. Doom, and Smythe, and the Lizard, and the

Red Skull, and it's up to Spider -Man to lead

a team of ragtag misfits like Captain America

Storm, The Fantastic Four, and Iron Man to victory.

Yay. And of course, guess what Iron Man gets

to do? He gets to sit out on the bench half the

time, because his suit is dead. Yeah. I know

if I will see yeah, I read the original Secret

Wars. In fact, actually as we record this I just

have to turn around and face face one of the

walls in my home office and there's the trade

paperback right there lovingly lovingly on my

shelf sandwich between Legion of Superheroes

the great darkness saga and the Alex Ross Kurt

music miniseries marvels But yeah, the original

comic series deserves its respect. I mean, it

was a great 12 -issue mini -series. They managed

to have an epic story that really was able to

be on its own just because of the setup. So you

didn't have to worry about, oh crap, I didn't

get this month's X -Men. I'm going to be so lost.

You see that's why I like collecting comics and

trade whether it's physical or digital because

at least in the trades You know, okay that I've

got all these issues or all these, you know These

go to all these this story these go to all and

it's just in one place and well plus, you know

in the 80s it was a little easier to To be able

to collect a big storyline because they kept

they kept all the stuff that you needed to know

in like the main book then everything else was

kind of peripheral so you could kind of get like

oh if you wanted to see this battle but from

spider -man's perspective you pick up the spider

-man issue or you know things like that or or

oh what was daredevil doing when spider -man

disappeared oh pick this up you know that that

was kind of how secret wars was the only tie

-ins that they really had to the main series

was one issue where the heroes that took part

kind of got collected and then another issue

where they came home and it's like Wow, you're

not gonna believe what just happened to us. So,

you know, so yeah, you didn't have to worry about,

you know, you pick up, you know, picking up an

issue of Spider -Man and being like, where's

Peter? You know, and having like a little blurb

saying, if you want to find out where Peter is,

pick up Secret Wars number one on sale this month.

Yeah, they still do that though. I mean, they've

been doing that for 70 plus years. Hell, it's

probably 80 years now. Yeah, but if I have any

real... You know the thing one of the things

with secret wars. I know that they wanted to

have more of the x -men But they couldn't they

couldn't get everybody. I think part of it was

like a location issue Yeah, yeah, the other thing

is I guess I don't know I guess they have like

a they had like I don't know if it was they had

a limited budget to play with or anything, but

I Kind of would have wanted you know you had

all these heroes Then they just picked like four

villains out Technically technically five although

because the lizard you know you had Connors in

the driver's seat I won't I won't count them

as a bad guy But you had four big bad guys, and

I was kind of hoping for more bad guys to get

kind of pulled out to you know take part in this

because that was one of the big Things about

the original secret wars is you had this army

of heroes versus this army of villains Winner

takes all and it was kind of cool to see the

two armies like going at it, you know, it's so

not having that here was like, ah, this is awesome.

But, you know, so again, I kind of had to wonder

if it was like, I know they wanted to use Hulk,

but Hulk was on UPN. So it was like, we're not

promoting another network's cartoon show. Hell

no. So, you know, that that's why we have the

Connors, the Connors brained lizard. But I mean,

I think Spidey's got enough bad guys that they

could have, you know, had them. I mean, even

if you couldn't get the actors to come back,

you know, just at least like a silent cameo or

something so we can see them, like, engaging

in battle with Iron Man and Storm or, you know,

the Fantastic Four and... Yeah, absolutely. I

like the Secret War 3 part that they did here.

I think it's interesting. Obviously for me as

everyone's known in the last three or four or

five episodes Soon as the black cat comes in

the claws come out Because Spidey well, what

was it Connors got injured so they had to replace

a member of the team and and that's when he's

like, oh well, I'm You know Mary Jane's off somewhere.

So and she's not really a superhero. So bring

me the bring my bring me my side dish please

yeah of course then you get side dish flirting

with Captain America and it's like yeah I brought

her in and she's and she's uh you know I brought

her in and she's hooked up with the captain of

the football team damn it damn it but then you

know she does turn around and you know Does her

little wink and smile and all the sly things

that black cat does and basically twists Spidey

around her finger again and whatever else and

And she says oh, it wasn't Captain America. I

came for it was you So is it just me oh first

of all have you seen the new Riverdale series

on the CW no Have you ever, are you an Archie

fan? Because I know of the Archie universe, but

I've never actually read any of the books. But

I know of the characters. Honestly, I'm familiar

with the Archie universe. Never been a huge reader

of Archie comics. The whole idea behind Riverdale,

I'm like, okay, all right. If you really want,

sure. You know, I just... I've seen the first

episode because I think they did the first two

episodes as as one whole big big thing or whatever

it's a two -hour yeah yeah whatever the only

reason why I was interested to even watch it

and this is so sad I know that folks and I'm

coming I'm coming back around to black cat and

Spidey folks black cat Spidey and Mary Jane so

just just go with it here for a minute You already

know where this is going. So the only reason

why I wanted to watch the new CW series Riverdale

at first was because technically it's the return

of Cole Sprouse. I had not seen him in anything

since the Suite Life on deck because he and his

brother went off to college and did real life

stuff and kind of left acting. So when I saw

him cast as Jughead, I'm like, oh, cool. And

it's him narrating the story. And I think it's

pretty funny, but... Obviously the whole thing

Archie Betty and Veronica and you know, of course

as you hear that you hear, you know Brody or

not Brody in your head, you hear Banky in your

head from Chasing Amy He couldn't choose between

both of them jackals He one of the he couldn't

choose between either one of them both the same

time you jackals and everything else and whatever

You look at Spidey in this series and even though

MJ's, you know often some alternate whatever

Spidey is Archie MJ is Betty, and Black Cat is

Veronica. Huh. And I think I just broke his brain.

Well, no, actually, no, you didn't break my brain.

I'm actually thinking, you know, that actually,

um. That could work. That, you know, he may.

maybe onto something he may be yeah he might

be uh... by joe he may be right uh... so in the

end of spider wars in the end of secret wars

apparently this was a test to prepare him for

the real test So this is kind of like those those

practice tests before school before you have

to take the big seven -hour test This is the

30 -minute practice, you know, so because we

end the series with spider wars chapter one I

really really hate clones and chapter two farewell

spider -man. I Love this. I think these two episodes

are awesome. I can always go back and watch these

So fun Just absolutely dig them. We finally get

Gwen Stacy after Four years of the series or

five almost five years of the series Yeah Well,

and and I gotta give I gotta give I gotta give

the writing team credit Mm -hmm. I love the title

of the episode. I love the title of the first

episode. Yeah, cuz it it's a great It's it's

just such a fun bit of meta a fun bit of meta,

you know, metafiction, because that title pretty

much reflects every, like, a lot of people's

opinions at this time. It's like, yeah, I hate

clones. I think especially after we found out

about Water Baby Mary Jane, it's like, yeah,

yeah, I know. Know with the clones. Oh, man.

But I... I do have to give, you know, that this

is one of the things where I got to give Christopher

Daniel Barnes, I got to give him kudos because

he for like for five seasons, he's done such

a great job as Spider -Man. And it's really cool

to see him in these episodes playing like a,

you know, basically playing a Spider -Man who's

just like, you know what? To hell with this crap,

you know, I I you know, I saved the world how

many times, you know, I I did I fought the good

fight and Then when it came time to be like,

oh, I'm gonna do you know, I'm gonna You know

do something, you know just seeing him be like

all these different spider -man the first of

all the the the evil spider -man the spider spider

carnage one, yeah and You know just seeing him

like just seeing him basically being like, okay,

you know what what you know? What you know, just

like okay. I'm tired of this. I you know Forget

with great power comes great responsibility.

I just feel like You know, I'm just gonna destroy

the universe because what did it do for me? And

you know just That whole thing was just really

cool. So I mean and then you and then the the

the iron spider You know, the getting kinda sorta

getting Ben Reilly. Well, we did get a version

of Ben Reilly, and he is the Scarlet Spider,

so... Yeah, yeah, and it's the hoodie outfit.

Yeah. The hoodie outfit, which was... That's

always fun. Yeah. I think also the... I think

also just the... To me, you know, the whole...

That whole thing, and... And then... and then

i like that they had one of the spider -man was

actually an actor who played spider -man yeah

and i and i like how the second the in the second

episode in the series finale that there was a

payoff to that that there was a reason behind

that yeah i've seen these two episodes upon millions

upon millions of times i know i'm exaggerating

with that but um you know uh... always knew obviously

not before the episode aired but I always knew

after the fact that oh hey why you know they're

like why is he here he's he's not really spider

-man he's not this he oh sure he is he's just

spider -man in a different universe in a different

way and the fact that you know you had spider

-man interacting with his creator Oh, yeah, you

know Yeah, that was and see it's Yeah, that was

that was a beautiful moment. You know really

was I Mean, that's I think that's that's almost

right up there with stuff like for example the

scene between dr. McCoy and data in Encounter

at Farpoint or you know or things like that.

Yeah And it's one of those things where you know

we spider -man our spider -man our universe spider

-man peter parker finally gets technically finally

gets his comeuppance he finally gets that people

adore him and and cherish him and it's from what

stan is doing and of course the very end i mean

you know no okay well not not the very very not

the very last not when they're flying away through

the dimensional portal but right before that

when when she shows up and he's like who is that

magnificent look oh that's that's my ride you

know and she's like you know he's like oh that's

stanley he's you know this this and this and

she's like yes i happen to think i haven't because

hello they're married it's stan and jone lee

you know i thought like i i don't know because

i i've got spectacular spider -man through a

certain source of mine. So at some point in the

future, not anytime soon, because we need to

do other stuff other than superheroes. So there's

going to be about 20 podcasts before we go back

to superheroes. And when we go back to superheroes,

we'll be celebrating 25 years of X -Men TIS.

So we get to finish seasons two through five

of that series, but that's later on in the year.

But it's just one of those things where I don't

know if any other Spider -Man series to date.

Has ever really had them together like that paying

each other yeah compliments as Husband and wife

and just being able Say anyone can say what they

want about John Semper jr. About the series about

the animation about this I love these stories

like I said in season one two and three as I

was watching through those for for doing these

podcast episodes Almost didn't have to because

I as soon as I start I'm like, oh, I remember

that I remember that I remember that, you know,

yeah It's just because this series at 14 years

old had a huge impact on me This basically, you

know took me through my teen years 14 to 18.

So you know this and x -men and To somewhat lesser

extent Iron Man and to somewhat of an even lesser

extent Hulk and Silver Surfer and all that stuff.

Fantastic Four. No, sorry. That's a bad movie

joke, folks. But no, Spider -Man, animated series,

1994. Absolutely loved it. Thought it was great.

Any final thoughts? Go ahead. Well, I did say

I'd save this for later, but... Oh, the ending.

Yeah, I see the ending. Yeah, we get well we

get this very touching thing between Spidey and

Stanley and you know, we have Stanley and his

wife even get to interact But then of course

you have you know, madam web saying, okay, guess

what you've saved the universe time for your

reward jump on board my my chair thingy my you

know, my my Marvel version of the Mobius chair

and You know, we're going to uh, we're gonna

go find uh, you know, we're gonna go find mary

jane. I know where she is See I can't help but

feel you know, I can't help but wonder Um, is

it something where I mean i've heard that john

semper jr Did have an idea for rescuing mary

jane, right? That there was that he did have

ideas for season six But that the powers the

powers that be were like no you're done so Don't

know I keep getting this this vibe that says,

you know that tells me that What happened was

You know, they they had an idea they wanted to

get Mary Jane back they wanted to have you know,

they want to have Mary Jane back and You know,

they had a they had a they had a plan But what

happened was You know the powers that be were

like no you're done So what we end up getting

is the, you know, we got the finale that we did

where, yeah, it kind of ends in a cliffhanger

because Spidey's going off to rescue his lady

love. But that, you know, they put in the Stan

Lee stuff so that, well, if this is it, if this

is our last hurrah, let's at least go out with

a bang, you know, with like this awesome moment

paying tribute to Stan the man. So it just feels

to me like, oh, if things would have been different

if Fox or Saban or whoever brought the hammer

down and said, OK, no, pack everything up. Pack

everything up. We're not doing any more episodes

as of Monday, that maybe these episodes would

have been different. I kind of wonder if maybe

we would have gotten And again, you know, I don't

want to shoot myself in the foot here, but I

may contact John and see if he's willing to share

that, um, script thing from the gold on me for

war of the rocket man. Cause you know, and I

have no problems. You know, if he says, yeah,

sure. But you know, it'll be. Yeah, I have absolutely

no problem shooting the guy ten bucks twenty

bucks Just to know the fate of spider -man and

Mary Jane. You know what I mean? That's you know

They brought out like an animated series called

spider -man unlimited yeah, and for like the

briefest second. I was like oh oh Are they finally

is this is this what it's gonna be spider -man's

spider -man's adventures in the other dimension?

Rescuing Mary Jane, and then it turned out to

be something entirely different, and I'm just

like damn because like for just the briefest

of moments i was like oh you know oh okay we'll

finally get the answer and no but actually took

place like before or something like that or i

don't even know if it's supposed to be same universe

at this point um it does take uh it does take

place uh during this series at some point but

it's pretty much um yeah it was developed by

Michael Reeves and Wilman Yacht it was written

by Larry Brody Robert Gregory Brown Bryn Chandler

and Michael Reeves um voices of rare they try

to tie it into John Semper Junior's um stuff

like Jennifer Hale is Lady Vermin in that and

she's supposed supposedly supposed to be like

the black cat of that universe and really is

is not um you know and it only had 13 episodes

it only has one season so yeah yeah um and it's

not bad on its own but it focuses on Jay Jonah

Jameson's son John and his one -man mission to

counter -earth. Yeah. You know, so it... And

it does, I believe, does it have... John Jameson,

does it have Jay... Does it have JJ? If it did,

probably like the first episode or so. Yeah,

but I'm saying that... Don't know what he was

well. He was voiced by Richard and he's voiced

by Rhinox of all people okay, okay And then Mary

Jane was voiced by Jennifer Hale, but also Jen

Jennifer Hale voiced Lady vermin as well, so

Yeah, I don't know spider -man unlimited it's

it's okay. I like the suit in that series. I

think the suit in that series is awesome. Yeah

Yeah You know one thing one thing I If I could

actually like sit down with Dan slot I would

want to ask him if he watched the 90s spider

-man animated series because I got a because

he did he did do something before before they

we had the secret wars Comic a couple of years

ago. There was something called spider verse

which was all these Spider -Man from, you know,

different dimensions teaming up. I mean, not

quite to face a deranged Spider -Man who wanted

to blow up the universe, but yeah, they all had

to team up to fight this menace. And I kind of

have to wonder if he was inspired by the animated

series, by these last two episodes, because it

has that same sort of feel in the sense that,

oh, you know... putting together putting together

the you know all these spider -men and stuff

yeah I always wanted to read the spider -verse

stuff I just never got around to it once again

you know yeah trying to figure out what comics

to do when and what's piquing your interest and

blah blah blah yeah it's it's kind of hard to

to deal with with all that at once, and yeah.

But, you know, Spider -Man 1994, I still love

it. Like I said before, I think it's an amazing

series. The animation is solid, the voice acting

is incredible, the stories are engaging. So yeah,

any other final thoughts from you? No, I gotta

agree with you. I gotta agree with you the the

animated series it it set the bar in a lot of

ways voice acting the fact that they brought

over some classic stories and Adapted them to

TV in some cases really interesting because they

managed to condense it into like one or two episodes

But yeah, definitely. I mean it's it deserves,

you know It deserves a lot of love, you know,

I think I said this a couple of episodes ago.

I would love now that Marvel, Disney and Sony

are like breaking bread together and sharing

Spider -Man. I would just love to see a release

of like a Blu -ray DVD set with all five seasons

and give it like a really, really good, you know,

release with like You know interviews and commentary

and stuff like that Like I really would love

to see something like that Yeah, that would be

great, but Disney owns Marvel now and as we already

said with the X -Men series thing that they released

before Disney bought bought Marvel that didn't

exactly go too well Because that was just a bare

-bones DVD Yeah, I don't know I would love that

as well I really really would but I just don't

think it's going to happen sadly Which really

sucks well, yeah, I mean one can hope one can

hope and you know one can hope that that you

know again since since Disney and you know since

Disney and and You know since Disney and Sony

are now, you know breaking bread over like, you

know over over spider -man that You know, we'll

hopefully get something like that Because I would

love I would just love to see that Alright folks,

that's going to do it for us here in Tooncast

Beyond. You can catch us next time in episode

75 when we will, um... A few other people, I

don't know who yet. It's either going to be myself

and one other person or myself and two other

people. We're going to get in touch with our

emotions because we're going to turn this podcast

inside out. And QEve6, wow, I have so much music

to put in this podcast now. Oh my god. Uh huh.

See what happens? You know? Let's see. TLCs,

Spice Girls, and Eve Six. Wow, that's a whole

90s trifecta right there. He's just shaking his

head over there, folks. I can tell. He's just

shaking his head. Actually, you're wrong. I'm

facepalming you. One of the two. Oh lord. Let's

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inside out Way to go boss you did well spider

-man I am proud of you the others can go home

But there is one more place that you must visit

where to now I think she means my reality. What

am I gonna find there? More than you can ever

imagine. I don't believe what you're telling

me. In your reality, I'm a character in fiction?

Yep, and I'm an actor who plays you on TV. But

there's someone here I knew you had to meet.

He's the man who created you for fans all over

the world. And I said to Jack, what if his skin

turns green? Excuse me, I'm looking for some

guy named Stan Lee. What? Spider -Man? Uh, Pam,

hold my calls for a while. I think I've finally

gone crazy. Oh, man! Wow! You know, Spidey, I've

always wanted to experience real web -slinging.

And I've always wanted to be appreciated as a

real hero. It seems you've made me into one.

Thanks. Hey! Don't mention it. After saving all

of reality, where do you go from here? To find

Mary Jane, my Mary Jane. I've been told she's

still alive. I can't wait to see her. You know,

for so long, I've thought that I never got any

breaks. But now, after all I've been through,

for once, I like my life. I like myself. And

for the first time ever, I wouldn't want to change

anything about me. Gee. You're definitely not

the same guy I've been writing about all these

years. Well, Stan, we all have to grow up sometime,

I suppose. Even us, characters of fiction. Spider

-Man. It's time to go. Who is that exotic lady?

Oh, her? She's my ride. It's been great meeting

you. Take care of yourself. You too, Spider -Man.

Farewell and good luck. Wow. I wonder how I'm

supposed to get down from here. I suppose I could

wait for the Fantastic Four to drop by and give

me a lift. That Stan Lee, he's quite a guy. I

think he's truly special. Well, Madame Webber,

where to now? Face front, true believer! We are

going to find the real Mary Jane Watson. What?

It has been a long, hard journey. And I think

you are finally entitled to some happiness. Amen

to that, dear lady. Amen to that.