The Slow Death of Late Night – Pop Culture Chat

Hi, this is David Kaye, and you're listening

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the geekdom of the world is TFG1 Mike. Holy crap.

It's been a week. For multiple reasons. It's

been a week. That's felt like a month. That's

felt like a year. That's felt like five years.

That's felt like Thanos snapped his fingers that

we all got blipped. Then we got unblipped and

we don't know how to deal with the blip because

blip, blip, blip. Yeah, it's. And the funny thing

is, folks, we weren't even planning on doing

this because we were planning on waiting until

the end of July slash the beginning of August

to do the the anniversary show of the podcast.

But there was just way too much going on that

we just could not. Not do an episode of the show.

Yeah, the climate is changing very fast on media.

And it does, but it seems like we're in a whirlwind

right now. There's, there's a multitude of things

happening between funding being cut from like

NPR and PBS and public broadcasting of any kind

to, I mean, and I'm seeing that locally because

I'm in the Colorado market and most of our, our

radio is town square media. I heart radio. And

then there's like KUNC, KRFC, like Colorado sound

and, you know, NPR and. You know, so I mean,

we have all these different things around us.

And granted, I don't listen to any of it, but

I know that they have a place like they do serve

a purpose. They are, you know, they're hyper,

hyper local, usually when it's a public broadcasting

of some kind. And in that regard, like I don't

I honestly don't care about national news. I

don't watch television. I don't I mean, I don't

listen to the radio. I listen to podcasts. I

watch YouTube. and you know in netflix or you

know whatever else is streaming something i want

to watch but we've we've been watching like things

collapsing everywhere over the last couple weeks

and it's it's progressively getting worse like

there's there's stupid things that are happening

in media in general Yeah, I'm not getting political.

I'm not doing any of that. However, there's a

lot of stupid decisions being made in terms of

budget. And in this area, it's like, OK, you're

saving, what, a billion dollars for allocating

this? OK, I get that's more money I'll ever see

in my entire life. But, you know, I feel like.

A lot of these stations do depend on it. Like

I, I work for a family owned business that's,

you know, progressively grown and we contribute

money to all of these different, you know, nonprofits.

We, we are a part of the advertising mix with

some of these, these public broadcast radio organizations.

And so like we see it, we feel it. And then we're

seeing it. And I mean, cause we're very hyper

local community oriented and seeing it happen.

with all of these different organizations is

just sad because i mean it's it's people like

love or hate the material love or hate what they're

saying about you or anything else they're serving

a cause locally and you know and i've kind of

simmered over this for a while like it's been

one of those things where i'm like do i say anything

do i bring it up I think it does tarnish and

hurt media. It's no different than like corporate

media coming in and commandeering podcasting,

which we'll get into later. Yeah, but it's it's

the same. It's the same thought process. It's

like, where where do we get off here? Like, where

where is the. The point where we kind of leave

independence alone, you know, and help those

instead of trying to. screw with the conglomerates

now the conglomerates get screwed with two equally

so um plus their budgets are way beyond what

the entire nation needs for their their public

radio which essentially is the same as like you

know podcasting fighting in a radio world yeah

exactly so yeah and i don't want to get political

either because My bottom line is all politicians

are corrupt. I don't care what side the politics

are on. It's all a corrupt cesspool. That's been

my belief my entire life. But I will say one

thing, and if this is your show, if you decide

to bleep me in the editing, you're more than

welcome to do so. Please just skirt around it.

I don't want to have to edit. All right, well.

I can read between the lines, make it obvious

and read between the lines. How am I going to

say this? Why that. Orange, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is good. Why PB?

Why? Why are you going after sesame? Why? Don't

go after children's programming. don't no don't

and stop what did sesame street ever do to you

well it's not sesame street i know it's not sesame

street well sesame street got defunded during

the previous administration i know but and that's

fine whatever i'm just saying politics in general

politicians in general why y 'all going after

pbs like seriously like is I will argue I wasn't

a huge proponent of PBS like in the past. Like,

yes, did I watch like, you know, Bill Nye and,

you know, Wishbone and things like that when

I was a kid? Yes. And Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street.

So, I mean, in that regard, I do I do like this

stuff and I do like what they generally stand

for. You know, whether I loved or hated any of

the shows or not. And I remember like Nova PBS

is Nova. like i had to write a report on it at

one point in school and uh happenstance found

one about beagles yep and i was like cha -ching

i was like something i care about exactly so

i learned a buttload about beagles during that

time and so i've been able like i've never been

able to find the episode again i wish i could

because i would love to show it to my kids it

was nova and beagles i'll find it for you yeah

i've been looking and i cannot find it like of

all things like at least i think it was on that

yeah anyways i wrote a paper on it for school

but or for college but um it was like 2013 2014

uh but but yeah i mean i out of all the things

to go after for cutting funding or cutting whatever

npr and pbs really yeah i wish they would have

just you know i don't know put term limits on

people and cut their own pay yeah since they're

all part of the problem um and that's where we'll

leave this conversation we're moving before we

move on yep um i mean since we're already down

this crap rabbit hole um why don't we move on

to the the unfortunate passings that have happened

over the last week because that's that sucks

oh my god okay so just just as a as a precursor

to this folks i have been wanting for years I

will say for a decade. It has nothing to do with

Bill Cosby himself. The man himself has nothing

to do with that. I grew up watching the cause.

I learned more lessons, more life lessons as

a four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 year

old in the eighties from the Cosby show, watching

that as a kid than any other. early 80s family

television show up until like 87 when full house

debuted okay so i grew up learning like the life

lessons that i can remember off the top of my

head from the cosby show is no theo don't pierce

your ear it's going to get infected and we're

going to get into that in a second but like you

keep the the the kid the When you go out trick

-or -treating, you keep the candy from the houses

you know in the purple bag. You keep the candy

from the houses that you don't know in the red

bag. You separate it. You do this. You do that.

I learned all kinds of life lessons from the

Cosby show. For sure. I mean, love or hate. And

this goes along with everything else. Like, you

know, you can love or hate the... the people

associated with a show, but I, I also base it

on the life lessons in the character itself,

not the actor. Right. And exactly. We were taught

to like the way I look at television and movies

is that, and the way that I grew up with it is

that you were looking at that fictional universe,

whatever it is, you were not like we. we didn't

grow up in a time where, okay, this is Mr. Cosby

and Mrs. Cosby and their kids. Now let's go find

out. And we, we will, we will find out later

about like a current affair and hard copy and

inside edition and all this and all that whole

culture popped up a little bit later in the late

eighties, early nineties. But like, we didn't

care what happened. to the actor like as kids

in the 80s and 90s we didn't care we weren't

there for what happens after the show was over

and it's not like we were kids man we weren't

there for what happens after the show was over

we were there for the show so when i'm sitting

here saying to our lovely audience that has been

listening to us for almost we're just Over, well,

we're almost at 12 full years of this podcast

here on our lovely network here. It was about

the fiction. It was about getting away from real

life of everyday life in the 80s. And Malcolm

Jamal Warner, who played Theo Huxtable on The

Cosby Show, he passed away recently. He was in

Costa Rica. He was swimming or something. And

there's really bad current, really, really rough

currents out there. Apparently the current dragged

him under or something. I've got the article

here where it says, I'm going to read this verbatim,

folks. So sorry, not sorry, but I want to make

sure my information is correct. Actor and director

Malcolm -Joel Warner, best known, as we've said,

on The Cosby Show, has died in an accident drowning

in Costa Rica where he was vacationing with his

family. Officials have said he was only 54 years

old. I'm 45. He was only nine years older than

me. Warner drowned Sunday afternoon in some town

on the Costa Rican Caribbean coast. The country's

judicial investigation department said he appeared

to have been pulled out to sea by a current.

Warner was assisted by people who were at the

beach, but he was declared dead by the staff

on the Costa Rican Red Cross. The department

said an autopsy determined his cause of death

to be asphyxiation by submersion. That sucks.

But you know what the... Even though he is no

longer with us, the coolest thing about this

dude is that he lived his life in positivity.

I just listened to his podcast with Keisha Knight

Pulliam, who was Rudy Huxtable on The Cosby Show.

His podcast is called Not All Hood. And it was

such a cool podcast episode to listen to that

I don't know how old that is, a couple weeks,

couple months maybe. But every clip, every everything

I've been seeing from him, this dude did nothing

but positive stuff in his life. uh his wife his

daughter just everything just well he kept his

nose clean absolutely he kept his nose he acted

he just lived a normal life you didn't hear nothing

about his personal life like i mean and that's

what you want yeah absolutely uh i i mentioned

this to when when i heard the the news of his

passing I thought it was one movie and then I

thought it was a different movie, but I remember

him from, which is funny because I was wanting

to cover this movie on Studio 2009 as a double

feature with a different movie because they're

both skydiving movies. But originally I thought,

wait a minute, isn't it this one or is it that

one? He starred opposite briefly because he's

only in like the first scene of the movie because

unfortunately his character dies in the movie.

He starred opposite Wesley Snipes in 1995's Drop

Zone. He plays Wesley Snipes' brother. And now...

I was going to cover it anyway this year because

it's the 30th anniversary of the film. Now I

have to cover it. Originally, I was going to

pair it up with Terminal Velocity with Charlie

Sheen because that's also a skydiving movie.

But now I'm just going to do it on its own. It

just... like when we when that news broke and

you heard about like the code like i don't i

there's been one time i've traveled outside the

united states of america it was 1992 i went over

niagara falls in a barrel i was 12 years old

i survived okay fine no reaction great it was

a picture it was a i know what it is i mean i've

been in niagara falls yeah i know but i was like

there's no way in heck you uh and lived like

i've seen the videos of that stuff like people

like i built a barrel no no no no no so there

used to be i i think it was the it was it was

either in the skyline i think it was in the skyline

tower uh in niagara There used to be, back in

1992, I have a picture of it. At least I think

I have a picture of it. There used to be one

of those, like, I'll say 3D printed, but it was

like a foam rubber whatever display of the falls

and the barrel. It was a standee. You just stand

in front of it. And it looks like you're going

over the falls in a barrel. So I always tell

that story to see if I can get a reaction out

of people. But other than that, other than that

one time going up to Canada to see my dad's relatives

in 1992, I have never been out of the United

States. So I have no idea in person how other

parts of the world, how the oceans work. I do

know that certain parts of the North Atlantic.

are very very choppy with their currents so my

point in saying any of this is that the caribbean

sea and and all that stuff in costa rica oh man

i can imagine those currents oh and i think they

i think one of the stories that was reporting

his death said something about there weren't

any lifeguards on the beach or something or there

aren't lifeguards on the beach or whatever and

i'm sitting here thinking how come there are

no lifeguards on the beach down there I don't

know how remote it is down there. I have no clue.

It's very sad. He is very much missed. And just

every clip I see, all my feeds are, whether it's

Cosby Show clips, whether it's clips of him as

an adult, whether it's his podcast, just... He

was such an amazing soul and an amazing human

being, and he will be sorely missed. 100%. Yep.

And we knew this next one was, we knew he was

in poor health. I mean, the dude, he had a concert

like a week ago. Yeah, like. And he was standing

up or whatever, and then he's like, they got

him a chair and he's like, no, I'm a bloody stand

up, you know. Ozzy Osbourne. I know the dude

was struggling with Parkinson's pretty bad, though.

Yeah, he was. He really, really was. Did you

ever watch the Osbournes back in the day? I mean,

I tried to watch it. I couldn't get into it because

like it's just it was I hate reality television

unless it's like unless it's like Shark Tank

or something where it's of value. you know I

don't feel like I've lost brain cells after I've

watched it like I don't need to watch these people

live a manufactured life on television I don't

know it would be have to be a whole research

thing and I would have to watch I don't know

how much of the Osbournes was manufactured because

I don't know like Every time I saw Ozzy, every

time I saw clips of him out in the world in real

life, like every time he showed up to whatever

Sharon's show, like whatever show she was a co

-host on or whatever, every time he would show

up, like the show would just be the normal, like

let's, I think she was on The View at one point

or another. I don't remember what shows Sharon

Osbourne has starred on or co -hosted on or whatever,

but let's just say it's The View. Every time

he would show up, it would be like it would be

the normal show and whatever else. And then all

of a sudden, oh, my God, Ozzy is here. And Ozzy

would just be like. It just always seemed to

me that he never had a quiet moment. I could

be wrong. I don't know. I never met the man,

but it seemed to me everyone around him, especially

his wife. Was his piece, but his life. was the

chaos he was the chaos like it just never seemed

to me that the dude ever had like any peaceful

time for himself and it just seems like he was

like you know how we usually turn it on like

the beginning of this you're like hello and welcome

to like we always do you know it seems like he

was always on and he never got to turn his switch

off And it just, like, the last few weeks of

his life, when I was seeing clips about the concert

that you had mentioned, and then I had seen clips

from the concert, and I'm like, oh, okay. But

Parkinson's is a, like, there are a lot of, every

disease is a bitch. Every disease is just horrible.

I wish we could. eradicate all disease just whatever

like i know that humans have a natural life cycle

that we all can't like no one's no one ever should

be immortal period end of story just not that

everyone has a natural life cycle but like it's

like it the campaign says it's like stephen amell

says and i'm gonna say it now fuck cancer you

know everything else and all this stuff it's

like oh my god why do we have to have this why

is this here and the same thing parkinson's oh

man you just lose your michael j fox went through

this i think he's still going through it if i'm

not not uh wrong never get over you never get

over parkinson's it sticks with you for life

i i know that's but he is still he is planning

on on being in some television shows this year

like acting yeah cool that's awesome But Aussie

man, rest in peace. That first 30 seconds of

Crazy Drain will be a call to action for all

of us. Because damn. Maybe we can't play that

on the episode, but you know. Or the Iron Man

song. oh god black sabbath iron oh god you know

my boss has been playing that he's been playing

that uh in the office this week so yeah since

yesterday i was yeah i was half like i wasn't

sure if they were ever gonna use it in a certain

movie that came out x number of years ago but

when they used it in iron man i was like oh hell

yes but yeah Malcolm Jamal Warner Ozzy Osbourne

you guys just tear it up up there in heaven and

he's up there with Tom Petty yep absolutely alright

now that you're done crying yes well you know

I think the only ones that are going to really

resonate with me that way would be like David

Kaye or, you know, the Beast Wars cast or, you

know, some of the, you know, like Tim Allen,

you know, some of the some of the I mean, yeah,

I I've never gotten that way with musicians and

I get it. Like everybody reacts differently to

this stuff. My my stepmom, when Michael Jackson

died, she. like she lost it yeah um and i get

it like these people are like ingrained in your

culture for so long like i i mean outside of

robin williams like i really haven't had that

per se you know that that big like it sucks that

that guy's not here um like we we got robbed

of like 10 more years at least of like comedy

gold from the guy yeah his birthday just passed

yeah he would have been 74 yep So between his

74th heavenly birthday at this point and these

two passing, it's like, oh, God, emotional overload,

because it's like looking back on every awesome

thing Robin Williams did and every awesome role

he ever gave. There's an image. I forget. I don't

know if I shared it or not, but there's an image

somewhere on my Facebook. I don't know where

it is. I don't even know how I'd be able to find

it, but it's an image of him. And it's one of

those spread. I don't know how I explain this.

So you look straight on into the picture, image

of his face and out to the left and to the right.

are images of all like mrs doubtfire uh peter

banning from hook uh but bicentennial man just

all the roles he's ever played just faces faces

attached to his oh god every time i see that

image i'm like so cool no i can just imagine

him right now nanu nanu welcome yep yep yep yep

absolutely good old mark for mark Yeah. Yeah.

But anyways, yeah, it's it's like like we mentioned,

it's unfortunate. It's sad. You know, it sucks.

Death is a thing. Yeah. But it comes for us all.

And I think it's one of those things for me why

I get so affected about it from. And again, like.

I mean, I only teared up because of Ozzy because

of the Parkinson's thing because we started talking

about Michael because Michael J. Fox has it.

But it's like, you know, you start talking about

Ozzy and you talk about the music that he created

on his solo career, but also what he did with

Black Sabbath. And then you start talking about

the songs and it's like, oh, God, now I have

to go listen to all of that. It's also Malcolm

and everything that he did and just the positive

reinforcement. Literally, before we recorded

this, folks, like I said, I listened to that

episode of his podcast with Keisha Knight Pulliam.

And in that episode of the podcast, they talk

about how much of an age difference is between

them, but their daughters are both... eight years

old at the time of that podcast recording or

the time of that podcast release so like it just

i don't know it was just so fun i'll have to

see if i can either get the spotify thing or

i don't i don't know if his podcast is on on

whatever i don't know where it is i know it's

on spotify um but because you know folks most

podcasts these days don't have their own dedicated

websites unlike you know geekcastradio .com anyway

uh moving on over to idw publishing i was kind

of surprised at this i guess i shouldn't have

been but i was kind of surprised but uh idw publishing

so when uh transformers wow come on mike get

it together when idw publishing finished off

the x number of years run of tmnt with issue

150 they did a soft relaunch and did a new number

one they brought on superstar stellar author

writer jason aaron and he has now completed his

run 12 issue run of the series which i was surprised

i was like really he's only doing 12 issues okay

so coming up this december a new era of tmnt

begins with issue 13 After a best -selling and

acclaimed run from Jason Aaron and artist Juan

Ferreira, the high -quality, heartfelt, and exciting

storytelling that fans deserve won't miss a beat

with the arrival of an all -star duo. Eisner

-winning writer Gene Luen Yang, who also wrote

Shang -Chi and Superman Smashes the Klan, and

blockbuster artist Freddie E. Williams II, Batman

vs. TMNT, and Godzilla vs. MMPR. Starting their

run in December, this all -new story arc will

provide fans with a fresh jumping -on point as

the heroes in Half -Shell are back together and

hopeful about the future of the city. But there's

a dark and personal danger lurking in the shadows.

So we've got a new writing team coming on this

December. We're just in time for Christmas for

TMNT. I love Freddie E. Williams II's art. I

always have. Over on the pull bag, Joe Reed and

I have been covering the IDW TMNT books since

January 22nd of 2014. We have close to 70 episodes.

covering everything so far we need to catch up

and finish off the original run and then start

this this new arc new run that they've got going

uh we have covered i'll uh send you the links

to these three we have covered all of the batman

tmnt uh series they did one two and three for

they did three different books for those and

those are really good I know you like TMNT. I

know you like Batman. Even if you don't read

the books, if you listen to the podcast, because

we spoil the hell out of those. So you'll get

the whole, I mean, I think they're like three

-hour podcasts because that's just how Joe and

I rock with those. But yeah, no. The only thing

with this, like I said, that I was surprised

about it is that I was surprised that Jason Aaron

was only on. going to be on the 12 issues maybe

he'll come back later but uh but yeah there's

that that's coming up uh in december from idw

publishing tmnt very very awesome i am i just

reading comics nowadays idw tmnt never are are

there things in the books from them from the

tmnt book that i kind of quibble at yeah But

nothing has made me drop it. Every time... You

think I get emotional over the passing of these

actors and stuff. Listen to some of our TMNT

pullback episodes, folks. You're going to hear

a grown man cry over fictional turtles. Trust

me. There are plenty of emo... I'm not... Fuck,

dude, I'm telling you. That... They pull at the

heartstrings like you would not believe. Like,

it just is what it is. And maybe it's just the

way I am. I don't know. But it's so freaking

good. But yeah, so there's that. That's what's

going on. Read your comics, folks. Comics are

good. Comics are great. Listen to your podcasts.

Don't watch late night TV. Late night TV is boring.

Late night TV is it costs too much. They don't

want to put it on anymore. I labeled this next

story. CBS are morons because the reason why

I labeled it CBS are morons is because they didn't

fire him on the spot. They're giving him 10 months

and I'm sitting here thinking you morons. He's

going to. Basically. Rake you over the coals

for the next 10 months. I'm like, you idiots.

He's going to do nothing but kill you. God. Canceling

Colbert. Oh, boy. Yeah. So. i've i've done a

lot of like one i i hate like ap or other things

that are like oh we gotta allow news or allow

ads because i yeah yeah um they're like we must

track you uh anyways yeah the whole thing about

the whole thing about uh colbert is unfortunate

I do see people blaming the fact that the president's

not happy with them or the other late night people.

Now, don't get me wrong. They do have 100 percent

First Amendment right. Say whatever the heck

they want. I mean, SNL has been doing it for

50 years. Yeah. That's not the not the issue.

The issue is they're not profitable. Yeah, because.

uh like i saw an article about it and kevin o

'leary from like shark tank he's i mean multi

-billionaire he's like at the end of the day

they were losing 100 million a year which is

not good um and yes he did have decent ratings

but the fact of the matter is they should have

figured out a way to scale back all of these

late night shows to make them a more affordable

So that the juice was worth the squeeze of keeping

these shows around. Oh, 100%. But instead, they

got overgrown, over bloated. They added more

and more crap to them. They just became uninteresting.

Yeah. And I'm not like, I mean, whether they

got political or not, I don't really care. I

don't know. I don't watch it. It's not something

I'm ever going to pay attention to. But the fact

of the matter is they. They just blew a lot of

money. And I do feel sad for everyone on board

that's going to lose their job. I mean, Colbert

will land on his feet somewhere. The rest of

them is kind of what I'm more compassionate about

is because what are these people going to do?

Because as these jobs dry up, they're going to

have to transition. And unfortunately, we're

in this market now where podcasting is huge.

You know, we'll get to that in a minute, too.

But, you know, podcasting is huge. It's cheap.

And the previous late night show, Conan O 'Brien.

Yep. Has a pretty decent following and has his

own podcast. And it's been, you know, pretty

good for him. And while I understand the solidarity

of the other late night shows, eventually the

the band Hammer is going to come for them, too.

And it's. The late night TV is not what it once

was. I'm surprised SNL is still on TV. I'm surprised

a lot of stuff is still on TV. Because when it

boils down to it, nobody's really subscribing.

As an advertiser, I don't advertise on television

because it's not where people are. People are

on YouTube. People are on streaming platforms.

People are on their phone or on social media.

Those are the places to advertise. Hitting them

on television, it's throwing money away. And

that's why these things are losing money. Yeah,

I don't. So, OK, so for me. I have. Internet

and phone through Xfinity. The only reason why

I have a small Xfinity box on my TV, which I

have a 4K television from 2018. So it's I future

proofed myself. It's the best TV. I could have

gotten at the time that would take me through

until I don't know when it's like, there's no,

I mean, there are better TVs out there now, obviously,

but like back then it was literally $1 ,500.

So it was the best TV I could have gotten at

the time. for me i have this little streaming

box that xfinity has and they said oh i said

i don't want it if it's not like i'm not paying

for it oh no it's free with the blah blah i'm

like okay fine All is it does is it gives me

apps. It gives me this. It gives me that. I have

no actual cable package with Xfinity. I have

internet and phone and I have the little box

that was free that has strip. I don't remember

the last time I watched a cable channel. I watch

streaming. I watch this. I watch that. I watch

whatever. And most of my streaming I pay for.

Because I want, and I've said this before on

your lovely Altered Geek here and other shows

that we do here at the Geek Cast Radio Network,

I will pay for ad -free content. Because I don't

mind paying for the ads. Because I don't want

to see them. I don't want to see the advertisements.

Because what I'm watching is stuff that is not

new. unless like okay so youtube premium all

right so if i'm on my youtube and i'm what like

say i go to hulu or netflix netflix perfect example

uh we got uh happy gilmore coming up happy gilmore

too okay or a tv show or whatever let's say it's

a tv show on hulu or whatever it's like oh okay

i see the advertisement oh that's a cool show

i might want to watch that's new very rarely

in the last three years have there been a has

there been a new television show that has caught

my eye that i absolutely have to watch i am not

watching current content on any platform I am

watching content to podcast about it with you,

with my buddy, Dave Draper, with the chaos queen,

with whomever else, whoever I podcast with. So

yeah, the whole advertising thing on television,

I don't know how broadcast just take a TV, put

a couple of rabbit ears on it and try to get

channel three. I don't know how channel three

is even. still working with the rabbit ears no

clue oh rant over kind of torn like i i i get

i get a lot of this like i i don't pay for ads

i just deal with them um I don't I don't pay

for ad lists. I don't. Yeah, I deal with it to

a point. And then I find alternatives, but. I

mean, I have ad blockers for everything I have.

I have ways around articles that people are gatekeeping

you, you know, oh, you got to pay to read this

article. It's like, OK, what's the point? I mean,

one, AI is going to scrape it. And if you don't

let AI scrape it. you know, when you're doing

a Google search, you're not going to get found

anyway. Yeah. Because AI SEO is the new SEO.

And if you don't have access to that, you're

irrelevant in this new realm, which is why they

say transcripts for podcast episodes is key.

And, you know, why they say really any kind of

captioning or transcription is good because you're

getting the authentic thoughts. They're built

in. It can scan it. There's a lot of AI that

can scan. video now and so there's that but there's

also the fact that again nobody's watching late

night television I mean yeah people are but the

numbers are so low compared to what they once

were that it's not even worth messing with anymore

and so yeah while it sucks that you know these

staples of late night television are going away

they've been going away and dying for years It's

just finally they're pulling the plug because

they're like, you know, and CBS, to be honest,

since before Paramount, before their split years

ago and like after 2005 and their reacquisition

and remerging with Paramount, you know, Viacom,

CBS, Paramount, like all of their conglomerate

has never done well. And so it's not surprising

that they're cutting extra weight where it's

not making money. Like, I mean, they just. you

know renewed south park through like 2028 or

something and but it's making money yeah it's

it's getting the viewers it's getting you know

so while it's painful to watch these staples

go yeah it also causes them to have to innovate

yeah they've been sitting on their their laurels

for this for so long and not innovating this

is why they're dying a slow death it's because

they've been playing the same game plan for years

you know rinse and repeat with a different host

and they're just not landing the way that they

used to plus people have instant access we have

social media we have podcasts we have youtube

we have you know video shows we have all of these

different things that we didn't have back when

late night television was our only access to

this stuff well yeah that's the difference is

that like you know 40 years ago you had johnny

carson interviewing joan rivers or you had johnny

carson and ed mcmahon interviewing mel gibson

whereas now like right now as i'm speaking these

words to you folks like instead of having stephen

colbert interview the cast of fantastic four

i can go on to youtube and marvel's youtube channel

and see whomever i don't know who the person

they're doing on their own Right. But this is

what I'm saying. Like Marvel has whomever is

behind the camera interviewing Pedro Pascal and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whoever the hell

else it is that's acting in the Fantastic Four

stuff. And I can watch that on YouTube. I don't

have to watch that on broadcast television or

whatever. And honestly, seriously, after David

Letterman left, CBS should have shut down the

late show. No offense to Stephen Colbert. I like

Stephen. I think Stephen's great. The only cool

thing for me out of Stephen Colbert's late show

is when he interviewed Taylor Tomlinson and he

announced that she was getting her version of

blah, blah, blah. The late, late, late, late,

late show, whatever. Her Taylor Tomlinson at

midnight or after midnight or whatever it was.

And even that didn't last that long because that's

gone now. But that show. her show that she had

because i liked her comedy specials on netflix

and stuff after i found out about her from stephen

colbert uh i liked that show because that show

was a different late night show it was basically

late it was fresh yeah it was fresh exactly it

was fresh it was different it was a late night

interview show mixed with a game show it was

kind of like wheel of fortune but interview jeopardy

but interview kind of thing and they had a bunch

of people on there that was like some of them

i knew some of them i didn't and that was kind

of cool and like you said it was fresh and it

was interesting but the problem is as we know

and we tell we say this all the time new doesn't

work because new can't new doesn't have staying

power they same thing like you know why all these

superhero movies happen instead of individual

regular new idea movies or why you have to keep

going back to the well of all sparks to do this

or why you have to keep going to this instead

of doing something fresh and whatever is because

they want the money to keep coming in and late

night there is no money coming in it's all money

going out what do they say 40 50 billion dollars

for whatever not billion whatever whatever the

number was for late show it's like and it sucks

because again like you said it's the churning

of the generation the generational change and

like 11 35 p .m used to mean something so Go

with me here for a minute, all right? When I

was a kid, I'll say... 1991, I was 11 years old.

You were probably 4, 5, or 6. Somewhere around

there, I think. Whatever, I don't know the math

on that. You can do the math on that. Anyway,

I was 11 years old. 5 o 'clock, 5 .30 p .m. This

is Eastern Time, folks. 5 o 'clock, 5 .30, 6

and 6 .30. You had most of it, it was the news

programs. Like by 6 .30, you had like Dan Rather

and Tom Brokaw and all that. 7 o 'clock, 7 .30,

you had Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. 8 o 'clock

to, I want to say, unless you're watching Fox.

because this is 1991, so Fox would have already

debuted. Unless you're watching Fox on CBS, let's

just take CBS. 8 o 'clock to 10, 8 o 'clock to

10 .30, you have all the primetime shows and

everything else. 10 .30 to 11, you have that

final primetime show. 11 o 'clock to 11 .35 p

.m. is the news. 11 .35 p .m., you have The Late

Show with David Letterman. We had that for 40

something years or whatever it is. You knew,

even as kids, even the adults back then, my mom,

like they would go between David Letterman and

Johnny Carson. And then obviously Johnny left

after a while. And in the nineties, it became

Jay Leno for the tonight show, which is fine.

Jay was, was fine back then. It was kind of a,

Oh my God, Johnny's gone. It was kind of horrible.

But once we got used to Jay, it was fine. But

David Letterman, man, David Letterman and Paul

Schaefer, Paul Schaefer. I can't believe I remember.

It was just a thing. It was a legacy thing. We

didn't know that it was a legacy thing. But now

in 2025, the Late Show is a legacy. When David

Letterman left. You should have stopped. Just

stopped. Create something new in that spot for

Stephen. Don't call it The Late Show. Call it

whatever with Stephen Colbert. Because it doesn't

feel the same. It doesn't have the same ring.

It doesn't have the same legacy without the person

that was there before. It just didn't feel the

same. And you're like we already said. who the

hell watches late night television anymore like

nobody i'm not saying people are asleep at 11

35 p .m but like like we've already said and

we've repeated multiple times watching youtube

watching netflix why like hell 11 35 p .m people

could be trying to catch up on stranger things

if they're into that or you know whatever you

know so it's just crazy it sucks like we've said

like it sucks for steven but like you said it

really sucks for all of the people all of the

background people all of the grips all of the

camera people all of the like the band and just

god i hope they all land on their feet somehow

some way whatever steven ends up doing next honestly

i hope he takes the entire crew with him That

would be cool, but I don't see him being able

to employ 200 people. Okay, well, I understand,

but I'm just saying. He may take a select few.

I think it'll go more intimate like what Conan

O 'Brien's doing. And oddly enough, there was

an article that came out earlier this week about

it, about podcastings replacing late night and

more of the change in the guard. The whole late

night system is being upended. And Conan O 'Brien,

years ago, he has 1 .3 million downloads per

episode, which beats his final season of his

version of the late night stuff, where he had

282 ,000. you know, viewers per episode and he's

built his into a podcasting empire. And the,

you know, the fact is, is, you know, podcasts.

And, and I agree with this statement in this

article, it says, you know, podcast didn't replace

late night. They absorbed its role and modernized

it. Yup. You know, the format shifted, audience

shifted, power shifted, you know, what it wrote

once represented, um, is now being delivered

more efficiently and more authentically by podcasts.

And, you know, it's, It can be done for a fraction

of the cost and a fraction of the staff. And

one, the audience isn't there. Most under 35

don't tune in at a set time. They scroll, stream,

or search. So 18 to 34 demo, which is what their

target is, is not listening or watching any of

that. And then the fact that posting their monologues

and interviews on YouTube. For years, it worked,

but they've also figured out podcasts can get

the same A -list people to some degree. It's

lowered the barrier, higher volume of stuff can

go out, more intimate, more authentic, unfiltered

versions, something that podcasting does, which

late night was very rehearsed and segmented and

scripted and time constraints. Now they're kind

of at this weird format and they had this awesome

grid about how they can have these long form

unscripted personal conversations instead of

the guest segments of six to eight minutes. They're

30 to 90 minutes free form. Instead of 500 ,000

per episode, it's a fraction of it. Instead of

being on linear TV, it's on demand everywhere.

Instead of just one station. The host or the

indie company owns the feed and the IP. It's

on demand. Global access anytime. The ads are

done by the host or wherever they're connected

through. They can self -launch their own discovery.

It's more intimate, raw. It's become the new

way of doing things. And with all of the different

choices online, it just it just makes sense so

yeah and the thing is the i know i'm probably

going to repeat this is probably going to be

repeatish but the funny thing is my buddy brad

felicki who used to do a couple of podcasts uh

he's a buddy of mine on facebook he's one of

these people i think he's the only person on

my friends list that does this but he's one of

those people that will make a post on facebook

and he will just make you choose like he'll do

this or that and that's all the post will be

like burger king or mcdonald's and he'll just

leave it at that and you just comment your choice

your your your your pick and i find it funny

that this morning he posts audio or video i made

two comments because i needed to go in in depth

on the second comment so In all caps, because

that's how I roll sometimes on Facebook. Audio

period, first period, forever period. Like 10

minutes later. Audio is more personal. Audio

is more intimate. Audio is more freeing. Audio,

you can press play, pay attention, and still

go about your day. Oh God, this is long. I forgot

how long this was. Video, you have to stop everything.

Be being grossed in whatever the video is and

just watch. I cannot do multiple things and watch

video, whatever the video is. It doesn't matter

if it's TV. It doesn't matter if it's a TV show,

movie, video game, YouTube video. It doesn't

matter. Video is a stop and pay attention. Video

killed the radio star. Video is the Hollywood

star of formats. Basically. Hey, look at me.

Look at me. Look at me. Whereas audio is, hi

friend, let me take you along this journey and

I will be in the background here in your ears

no matter what. And you are paying attention,

but you can also do other things at the same

time. So yeah, that's audio forever, folks. No

video. Like, I can sit down and watch a TV show.

I can sit down and watch a movie. That's fine.

But I'm doing so? with a purpose to cover it

on a podcast because like when i was a kid i

was watching movies like and i do this to enjoy

it like we're we're currently going through the

diehard movies over on studio 2009 you and i

are yes i'm enjoying watching those movies i'm

sitting here enjoying being in the moment of

stopping everything else and watching the movie

and taking my notes but I'm doing it for a purpose.

Whereas as a child, when I watched things, it

was to enjoy it, just to enjoy it, to have the

memory of doing it because there was no such

thing as podcasting in the eighties and yada,

yada, yada, yada, yada. Whereas now, you know,

being an adult and having this, this platform

in this format and everything we've done in the

last 17, 16, 17 years, like. this is our purpose

this is what we do and we do it in the audio

format so you people can go about your day and

just have fun with us along the way hey look

i'm wheeling well and then and then part of part

of my thing is uh i just i want to entertain

i want to educate i want to you know absolutely

it just I don't know. Just makes sense. Like

I just, yeah. Oh yeah. I want to roll with it,

but yeah, we just, we just want to have fun and

we have fun with each other, whether it's me

and Steve, whether it's me and Optimus solo,

whether it's all three of us, whether it's me

and other people, whether it's Steve and other

people, most of the time, Steve and I are doing

stuff together, whether it's just us two or whether

it's us and other people included and everything

else. Look at the folks. Let me tell you something.

You look at the seven or eight, is it seven or

eight? Seven or eight top 100 countdowns we've

done. They were a lot of work. That's not the

point. The point is that was a lot of freaking

fun. Every one of those is so different and so

unique and no other podcast network or. independent

or otherwise can say they've done that stuff.

Like we've done it. Those are so damn fun. And

look at all the other stuff we've done. We have

fun doing it. And our only goal, only goal has

always been guess what? To unleash the geek in

you. Yep. Every time. No agenda, no nothing.

We're just here to have fun with us doing the

stuff and then releasing it out into the world

for you guys to enjoy it. Sometimes you comment,

sometimes you, whether it's on Facebook, whether

it's on the website, whatever. Thank you to everybody

who has ever commented or sent an email or...

any, anything, any interaction. We love you guys

so much. And yeah, no, it's just, we just love

doing this stuff and we love doing it audio style

because audio style is the best. Agreed. So with

that, I think we'll, we'll transition to the

other article that you wanted to bring up, which

was what? Oh yes. A GCRN exclusive. We've never

done this before, folks. Reference someone's

article from the site? Yeah. Steve Megatron is

tearing down the podcasting world, ladies and

gentlemen. Oh, God. podcasting isn't dead it's

just being misunderstood oh god so you wrote

this and i'm gonna read the first little blurb

a little bit here max cutler of pave studios

recently declared podcasting is dead and that

we should now call everything a show is provocative,

but it's also oversimplified as someone who's

spent over two decades empowering indie creators.

I see this not as a wake -up call, but as a mischaracterization

of what podcasting truly is. All right, so explain...

where you saw this, who the hell this moron is,

and why he has this opinion. So, apparently he's

pretty reputable in the podcast space. Really?

I've never heard of him. Neither have I. I was

talking to somebody else from RSS .com about

it. So, apparently he's an entrepreneur of sorts.

He's Spotify's former VP of talk creator content

and partnerships. Yeah, he he's part of the reason

why they have partnerships with like Joe Rogan

and a lot of those guys, Dax Shepard, you know,

Markiplier. So. He he also did like podcast,

which is part of I've never heard of it, but

true crime platform podcast studio. So anyways,

he's, he's a self -made entrepreneur. Uh, and,

uh, he, he'd more or less, you know, he's got

paved studios and, you know, talking about the

evolving media landscape. So I saw this article

on link on LinkedIn and it instantly like infuriated

me. Yes. Cause I'm like, dude, it's because of

people like you that are killing podcasting in

the first place. Because you guys are taking

corporate media and changing it to not be podcasting.

Yeah. Like you want podcasting in name alone.

Yeah. But you don't actually care about podcasting.

No. And so that's where I get a little perturbed

over it. He makes this effort to say that. Now,

what's funny is there's a thing called the Podcast

Standards Project. And it's an advocating for

open podcasting. And it's a lot of grassroots

industry coalition dedicated to adopting new

features and improve the open and podcasting

ecosystem for both listeners and creators, which

is totally separate from all of this corporate

bullcrap. So they're talking about the fact that

in recent years, big tech companies have stepped

in to duplicate podcasting success with closed

proprietary systems. They call shows distributed

on their closed platforms as podcasts to leverage

podcasting's popularity, but the cost was that

the word podcasting lost its standards -based

guarantee. These closed platforms remove choice.

They lock audiences into one player, lock creators

into a single vendor service, and take ownership

of the relationship between creators and their

audiences. And then their whole thing is, you

know, the truth is no one can kill open podcasting.

Anyone with a microphone and an internet connection

will always be able to spin up a feed and broadcast

to the world. Much the same way that closed social,

you know, feeds replaced open blogs, podcasting

faces similar assault today. So that's what the

grassroots coalition of the podcast standards

project is. And I'm intending on digging more

into this so that I can try and join. But they're

trying to create standards and practices that

improve the open ecosystem for, you know, listeners

and creators, you know, adding new features where

it makes sense. So like some of the providers

that are kind of on board with this are Blueberry,

Buzzsprout, Captivate, Red Circle, RSS .com,

Transistor. iono .fm and pod home pod two and

elite two um and then you know there's a bunch

of different players but you know the only one

i've heard of from these different players is

pocketcasts um and then they're partnered with

pod news and so i'm very appreciative of these

companies and i know blueberry like tom cochran

over there is a great dude um very about the

indie very much about i mean yes their service

costs more because it's more of a homegrown business

instead of trying to be this corporate overlord.

They're very much in tune of trying to do what's

best for the podcaster. I get it. Costs are high

no matter what field you're in. They've got to

make money, but they're also running on a skeleton

crew. They've closed their corporate offices

to have people just work from home because it

saves money. They're very conscientious of their

impact and so like in that regard like i do i

do like them but i also like rss .com because

it seems like they care too and i'm in on the

the rss space which is a you know exclusive slack

channel for people that are wanting to get in

on rss .com and you know it's kind of like a

help group and um so if anybody wants to sign

up with rss .com i do have an affiliate code

which is gcrn which will help credit our account

if you're going to sign up or move over. And

they were awesome in the transfer process. But

yeah, so after that shameless plug there, I think

that having this advocate for open podcasting

is going to be essential with the way that things

are going, especially with this guy that, oh,

we should call everything a show. The global

market of money on podcasting, it forever is

and forever will be an indie audio format. It's

not video. It's not live stream. It's not cross

-platform distribution. Yes, you're entering

the realm of shows for television, reality content,

or branded entertainment. It's video with...

The other video aspects, but like a podcast is

audio. Yeah. But it also is is quick. It's it's

for, you know, being portable. It's, you know,

not a budget thing. It's very quick. And what's

funny is the metrics and monetization. He's framing

it as a seven point three billion dollar attention

business. Metrics are broken. They've always

been broken. They've always been broken. They'll

never be fixed because they don't have a clear

metric across the board. Yes, we have like the

IAB, the internet, you know, it's like the standards

board for like internet content. Yeah, but the

fact of the matter of this is that they're they

make the host be IAB certified, which Yes, they

should. Yeah. Same token. I'm not a fan of it.

And yet, like the metrics, it's interesting that

they're still broken because they really don't

have a great way of tracking it. And especially

with platforms like Facebook and all these other

ones, they've changed how they count like a view.

So that it's one second. Whereas YouTube, it's

30 seconds that counts as a view. And podcasting

under the IAB certification for audio is 60 seconds

to count as a listen. However, that number goes

out the window if they're porting it to other

platforms. So therefore, you're getting a skewed,

broken, fragmented system that doesn't make any

sense. And it's more or less just leaving creators

to try and figure out what makes sense. And so

like this, this whole thing by, you know, Pave

Studios, it it sounds oddly self -serving, not

unlike when I heart jumped in and dumped their

feet into the podcasting sphere, buying up Spreaker,

ruining that and then being like, oh, we're going

to. uh we're gonna have the first ever podcast

awards never mentioned the fact that todd cochran

had one going for 14 years at the time uh but

you know it is what it is um yeah it is what

it is but like seriously okay like okay so i'm

not gonna i'm gonna do this but i'm not gonna

do this So for me, like you're talking about

how, how the metrics are counted and how whatever

is counted. I, as a podcast listener, I started

listening to podcasts late 2007, mid 2000. No,

when April, no, it was a, yeah, it was mid 2007,

early 2008. As a listener of a podcast. Unless

my phone was ringing. And even back then I was

listening on iTunes. So. I'll say now. Now in

2025 as a listener of podcasts, most of the time

I'm listening on my phone unless I'm at my computer

and doing stuff on my computer. But most of the

time I'm listening on my phone. Unless my phone

is ringing, I'm playing a podcast. So when I

sit here and click on the pull bag and I hit

play on episode 577, I'm going to skip through

that. I'm already a minute, seven seconds in.

I'm not going to pause this. I'm not going to

stop this. It's time to talk about the comics

we're reading right now here inside. I'm going

to listen to that three hour episode of episode

577 with me and Joe talking about TMNT Reborn

Volume 7. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I

don't just sit there and listen to 30 seconds

of or 60 seconds of like, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't. So I don't know who's. listening

to a podcast like that i don't know who only

listens to 60 seconds or who only watches like

i can understand the watching part like if you're

watching it on youtube and you stop it after

a minute or two minutes and you or you pause

it and you go to the bathroom or you do this

or you do that or whatever but like as we've

already said podcasting for us is strictly an

audio format And we're not, you know, getting

back to where I was on this other show. Anyway,

yeah, no. So the metrics, I wish we could fix

the metrics. I wish whomever is in charge of

the metrics could fix the metrics. I wish we

had a metrics standard that we could all... Which

there's supposed to be, but it goes out the window

if you're dealing with audio and video. And depending

on the platform, because the platforms all have

their own. They all have their own metrics. iTunes

has their own metrics. Spotify has their own

metrics. YouTube has their own metrics. Every

site has its own metrics. None of them are clear.

That's what I'm saying. I wish we could have

like I wish there was some way that everybody

could come together. Android, iPhone, everybody

like come together and have. some sort of general

standard agreement of what the metrics are so

we can all just get along. And we all make whatever

we make for the metrics and the monetization

and the myth and the efficiency and the whatever.

If everybody's being efficient and everybody's

getting what they want, then we all get along.

Whoops. it's the same thing as i say all the

time i quote stick from the uh from the daredevil

series in the in the in the one uh trailer from

from whichever i think it was from the defenders

series get your and i'm sorry to say it but get

your shit together yeah yeah so Yeah, I think

that about rounds this episode up. I just, yeah,

I, again, like, just remember podcasting is still

alive, evolving, and, you know, authentic, and

especially when it's not backed by some corporate

stakeholder attempting to pump up their bottom

line by swallowing up what made it great in the

first place. So, while we won't be calling, yes,

we technically call these podcast shows from

time to time, it's still not the same thing,

and they're still podcasts. Yeah, there's still

podcasts and we still call them shows, but like,

like I say podcasts first and I, you know, I,

I say that we have 20 podcasts. Sometimes I say,

oh, this page has 20 shows or this, whatever,

whatever, whatever, whatever. But I will always

use the terminology of podcast, podcaster, podcasting,

podcasts, podcast machines. I'm actually stealing

something from your article. I don't know what

I'm going to do with it, but I'm stealing something

from it. Audio authentic independence. I don't

know what I'm doing with that, but it's going

to become something at some point down the road.

But yeah, so anyways, those that don't know,

I'm coming out with a new book on August 8th

called Altered Audio. Of course, got to use the

altered. Podcasting Demystified, and it is coming

out on barnesandnoble .com, amazon .com, on print

and digital. It will also hopefully be available

for distribution in stores. You may have to go

and request it if you want to get it from a store

because they may not carry it right offhand.

And you could also probably request it at your

local library. It should be able to be picked

up at any of those places. I'm sure they would

carry it in the stores if I allowed them to have

the option to return it should they don't get

purchased. The thing that sucks about self -publishing

is if you want maximum, you know, you have to

also eat some cost. Right now, I have no skin

in the game aside from time and maybe like 50

bucks because of ordering my own proofs, which

I'll have mine for Barnes & Noble. this week

probably before this episode airs uh but yeah

i'm i'm releasing that book it'll be it'll be

covering podcasting and it's kind of a a quick

read i mean it's 140 pages but it's it's honestly

like i don't use a ton of jargon i don't it's

very plain english yeah i get to the point i

provide i lay out all of the options you don't

have to do a google search it's all in the book

I literally list all of the modern hosts, all

of the different platforms. I list equipment,

small, medium, large. I even give some templates

on stuff in the back of the book. It's definitely

going to be something that I hope people resonate

with. I'm already working on it because I'm in

a lot of these podcast help groups and I'm giving

support to people that are asking and they're

like, hey, what do I do about this? I sometimes

feel like I give people better advice than what

I gave myself and even currently still give the

effort of that advice. Oh, absolutely. You're

awesome. But I also don't have the time that

I used to have to put forth all of the effort

that I'm. Well, true. But I mean, that's why

you're, that's why you have the book. That's

why you're doing, that's why the book is here.

So I'm also taking all this information that

I get, you know, from people that are asking

specific questions and just like I do with work

with an FAQ. I'm saving it all and cataloging

it for later so that I can eventually add it

to a second edition of the book next year. Yeah,

absolutely. So it'll probably be bigger next

year, but I'm not anticipating it right away,

but if enough things change, then I'll have to

go back through and re -edit and then add some

of my new content. I've probably got enough to

add another 10 pages now at this point. I'm more

or less holding on to it for now because I already

have all of my book content approved everywhere.

Very cool, very cool. And coming soon, folks,

the audio edition. I don't know if I'll do that

or not. I've looked at it. I don't quite understand

how you get it on Amazon ACX, which is their

audio platform, because I tried searching. I

don't know if it has to be published first. to

get it to pop up um or if i have to put forth

my own budget towards it or what like i don't

i really don't know what to look for so i'm waiting

until it publishes before i look more into that

because as of right now i can't see anything

um so if if nothing else i'm planning on even

if i don't have an audiobook i find it i honestly

think it'd be pretty boring as an audiobook but

uh I I'm going to be probably doing a shorter

podcast. That is tied to the book. Oh, cool.

So more of a conversational, like I'll focus

on a set topic per episode and it'll be short

and to the point. And so it would share the name

of the, of the book. Yep. But yeah, I've, I've

already started planning and have show art and

everything else that I've been kind of playing

around with, but. I've had a few people ask me

audio wise, so who knows? But anyways, without

further ado, thank you for listening to Altered

Geek. And as always, you can comment on this

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