DC and Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion

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Yes the bread and butter So As far as the the

movie stuff is concerned we've gotten trailers

for multiple movies whether it be Avengers Endgame

or the Joker movie or The fact that Captain Marvel's

come out Shazam's come out Aquaman's come out.

I know Aquaman's older but still Since the last

time we we talked. Yeah films I don't know if

you've had a chance to talk at length about them,

but I think if we just want to go in like Chronological

order here. I feel like real quick. I really

enjoyed Aquaman I thought it was a lot of fun

and It was really cool to see them lean all the

way in to the character and like Come back around

and have it be cool Because obviously Aquaman

is He's he's not a lot of people's favorite character

no and I think he can I I Like him in Justice

League like the animated series and unlimited

like I like him there and I liked him in like

flashpoint and stuff like that like I but I get

how the character can be kind of The idea of

the character can be kind of tough. You can't

really normally take them seriously unless you

look at those renditions Exactly, and I feel

like you have to You know you hear about you

hear just I I guess I don't really know what

I'm trying to say because everything I gave is

like a version of Aquaman that I actually enjoy

But they they leaned all the way into the absurdity

of the character And it worked they didn't try

to change it or or or dumb it down too much or

or take it in some Other way just to try to make

them look cooler I think that I think he just

ended up being cool because they leaned all the

way into it and they didn't mess around with

it Which is definitely cool. Yes, and I think

after seeing After seeing Shazam and I was talking

about the boy what my wife about it I said that

I said that is what DC has to the DC's characters

They're not I've never seen them as characters

that were built to inhabit our world If that

makes any sense like Marvel characters, I see

them kind of inhabiting a version of our world

I've never seen the DC characters as inhabiting

our world and I think that's because DC relies

on fictional cities More so than Marvel does

yeah, do you see he's got I mean they've got

semblances of Actual yes, and and they reference

actual cities, but where the stories typically

take place. They're Fictional cities based off

of real cities So there's always been this disconnect

for me that the DC universe doesn't exactly exist

in our world so it a Lot of their characters

like they're they're tough. You can't You you

have to lean all the way into the idea of the

character and that's then they did it again with

like Shazam because my wife even she thought

he looked kind of goofy because it was cape which

is that it's that two -tiered white cape and

it's short and it has that collar and It's like,

you know, it's that you have to you have to lean

all the way into it because that's what the character

is And they did that. They did it again with

Shazam. I thought Shazam was great. I actually

just saw it tonight. And there's a wonderful

twist in the movie that I don't think has been

spoiled by the trailers yet or the marketing

yet, from what I can tell. And I've seen all

three trailers that came out for Shazam. And

it hasn't been spoiled in anything yet. And it's

a little subtle little hint there. It's the perfect

cross. Between the two versions of the Shazam

character that I know Okay, like like they took

in and and for a little bit of context there.

I'm familiar with Shazam from Justice League

unlimited mm -hmm, and I'm familiar with Shazam

from the Flashpoint movie mm -hmm, so they took

both of those versions of the character and As

far maybe it's not a new thing, but it was new

to me So they came. I feel like they came up

with something new. Someone can point out in

the comments that it's not something new and

that it's been in the comics before, but it was

new to me and it was kind of cool. That's without

spoiling it. I'm looking forward to seeing that.

I haven't seen it yet, but it just judging based

on the trailers, it looked pretty interesting.

Now. End game. I've gone I watched the first

trailer for endgame, and that's all I've seen

And I refuse to watch anything else any other

marketing. I haven't read any articles on anything

I've avoided photos. I've tried to avoid avoid

headlines. I've got I've got Avengers and Endgame

all muted in my Twitter feed Lucky you yeah,

so I I I've tried to keep my head in the sand

and it's I've got people that wanted me to watch

the second trailer, but I side note here, I saw

the first, you know, the trailer for Spider -Man

Far From Home came out. And. I. I've seen that

trailer a couple of times, and then it dawned

on me there is a scene in that trailer. And it's

not the scene with Nick Fury or anything like

that. There's a scene early on in that trailer

that I feel like is. big spoilers for Endgame.

Well, quote unquote, big spoilers. In the first

trailer? In the first trailer for Spider -Man

Far From Home. Oh, OK. I feel like there is a

spoiler for what happens in Endgame. I feel like

that, too. And it has to do with Avengers Tower.

Did you? Did you? Well, I didn't notice that

part, but did you notice the? The whole thing,

you'll have to elaborate on that in a second,

what you saw, but in the Far From Home trailer,

I noticed that it looked almost like Peter was

going to the same place he was heading towards

during Infinity War before he jumped on board

with Stark on the alien floating ship. It looked

like he was on the same like school journey type

of thing. Well, no, I will have to go and watch

that again to see Because I could have swore

that that was the same like basically the same

scene the only difference was is he actually

got across the bridge instead of getting off

the The thing to go fight with aliens like Stark

Interesting and I could be wrong, but it looked

like it, you know, it looked like it completely

wiped out the The entire Infinity War battle

Well, that's interesting because that also that

throws in Okay, so my thing my thing has to do

with Avengers Tower Now I'm gonna preface this

with a little bit of some stuff here because

Brief side note because I know that trailers

can be misleading trailers are sometimes designed

to be misleading For anyone that followed the

Thor Ragnarok trailers before that movie released,

when they showed Hela breaking Thor's hammer,

that scene was in the trailer and it was in an

alleyway in New York. In the movie, it takes

place on a countryside in... Norway? Something

like that. I think. So... Yeah, so things change,

right? They can, because the way these movies

are shot, they're shot on a green screen so they

can change the setting and the environment and

all this other stuff. So, just, I get that. Big

grain of salt. But, there's a scene in the beginning

of the Far From Home trailer where Spider -Man

is swinging through New York, and in one of those

scenes he is swinging through the, in the background

of where he is swinging is Avengers Tower. Okay,

mm -hmm Avengers Tower is under the same amount

of construction as it was under in the very first

Avengers movie Interesting in fact now the reason

I bring this up is because I just watched the

Avengers movie first one again the other day

And I feel like they just swapped a plate like

a background plate Like it I watched that movie.

I saw that I watched the trailer. I was like,

that's Avengers Tower and it's under construction

You could tell it was under construction and

you could tell it was Avengers Tower And then

I'm watching Avengers and I'm like, holy crap

that's the exact same thing look and so I Everyone

knows everyone assumes that there's some type

of time travel thing that's going to happen in

endgame how much remains to be seen but It was

very weird and the reason I brought up the Thor

Ragnarok thing is When the movie actually comes

out that scene might not even be in the movie

with him swinging through New York like Or it

could have a completely different background,

you know It's but I I saw that in this in the

far from home trailer and I'm like, that's it.

I'm not watching any more trailers like for any

Marvel movie until endgame comes out because

I don't like it's gonna spoil too much information,

right? I don't need to I I don't want to pick

up on something in the in in in the background

like like I did there well, and it almost felt

too like in that trailer that Stark died and

that's why happy was there with I Aunt May If

we want to move on for a second, I don't think

Stark dies an endgame. I don't think so either

I think I think yes happy is just Peter's point

of contact That's that's all that is and then

they probably realize that there's probably some

good chemistry between John Favreau and Marissa

Tomei. Yes. So, you know, why why not keep up

that shtick? You know, I think I think Tony and

Pepper get married and Tony resigns. The only

character I I cannot. Don't have a working theory

for is Captain America. I think he dies. I do

not think he dies. I Think cap is gonna take

on Iron Man's role the way I think cap is gonna

be for the next phase for it For what Iron Man

was for the for this last phase? Although cap

won't be in it Like like he'll be in it, but

he won't have like we won't have a Captain America

for like He will still be he'll be in other people's

movies Even though he's not under contract anymore.

I I Think things changed. I don't know. He's

gone. I think I know that Robert Downey jr. Is

done So and that's where I think I think you'll

just get I don't think he'll have any more movies

that are his I think you'll just he will just

be a part of Things the way that Iron Man was

a part of the last phase I think Thor will still

be a part of it though. Yes, Thor is still gonna

be there. Hulk will still be there I can't think

of anyone that's actually done So I think we'll

get more of Doctor Strange. We'll get Spider

-Man. We'll get Scarlet Witch and Vision Yeah,

I don't and I mean some of those are obvious

because we know we're getting a Doctor Strange

2 We're getting a Spider -Man 2 we're getting

another Guardians which mad props to Disney for

hiring James Gunn again Which is funny So they

were gonna keep his script. Anyway, there was

nobody that was gonna be able to pull it off

Well that nobody and I they say they interviewed

no one I don't buy that I think they did but

they couldn't find anybody that was gonna have

the vision that was gonna pull it through Well,

I don't think anyone wanted to touch it I think

everybody was pretty pretty much on the you know,

you know what what she did was kind of crappy

to him So we're just not gonna we're gonna pass.

Yeah, so that's that's awesome be I And game

I Really don't how I don't know how it ends,

but I don't think I don't think anyone dies I

do not I do not think anyone dies Because I feel

like even if it's their last movie Massive throwback

here for something that never had any impact

on me and I don't know that it had any impact

on You or anybody else that listens to this,

but it's transformers reference. I think you'll

end up with a optimist prime Transformers movie

issue Like if they kill one of the heroes You

feel like they need to retire. I'm over killing

them. Yes That way if they need to come back

for a quick cameo or something, it's okay But

other than that they yeah there they exist in

universe and they can kind of continue their

mission But we're not gonna focus on them anymore

because I think like The big reason I think that

pepper and Tony get married is because they've

been hinting at it forever Why they were supposed

to like pretty much in the last one. Well, no

the yeah, they were in infinity war They were

planning their wedding and then he had to up

and leave. Yes, exactly. So There you don't he

gets engaged at the end of the spider at spider

-man homecoming. They're planning the wedding

in infinity war and he's Yeah, there's no way

it doesn't end with him getting married so Juicy

Captain Marvel I did I Liked it. I did too other

than I felt like certain scenarios were a little

jarring There was a lot of that and I I the way

I describe it is I feel like it's the best movie

of Its kind that we could have gotten Given where

it's set Like you don't have a lot of elbow room

when you make a prequel right now That is true

like especially in the Marvel universe exactly

so it It it just kind of it That's why I like

the first time I saw I've seen it twice the first

time I saw it when the tesseract shows up I will

admit it threw me out of the rest of the movie

because I spent the rest of the movie going Okay,

where did the tesseract show up? What was its

timeline? What do we know about it already? Where

is it? What movies was it in? I literally spent

the last half of the movie trying to figure out

like If it broke continuity Like no it didn't

and I and I realized that like I think I've got

out of the movie and I realized no I said I said

it shows up in Captain America and then it doesn't

show up again until Avengers like and that's

that's the end of its And then and then Loki

has it in infinity like that's like the end of

its story like there is no There's a there is

a massive window where no one knows what went

on with this thing It does nothing and that's

one of the things that it It made me so angry

when I saw those clickbait headlines about this

one item showing up in Captain Marvel that throws

the entire Marvel continuity into unrest and

all this. I was like, are you kidding me? It

does not. It does nothing. The thing I found

jarring was we still don't know, other than just

years of service, we still don't know what...

Turn Nick into the cynical bastard that he is

today. Yeah, because he Well, you get to see

what happened to You know his eye and you get

to see that he was a pretty light -hearted Colson

ask character Colson ask, you know agent which

explains why he and Colson were you know, kind

of buddy buddy Although I did love what they

did with Colson in this movie. I I wanted more

Colson, but I did want more Colson I was a little

I was a little bummed that it it really wasn't

Like and and so like it it kind of bummed me.

It was nice to see Samuel Jackson get to be Nick

when he's not being cynical but at the same time

it's like and obviously that can slowly happen

over, you know the the years The other thing

that was kind of drawing was just how well he

got along with this alien like right from the

get -go and Not shocked by her in any way shape

or form probably because she was human looking

that it could be that Or he'd seen other weird

things that we're not aware of yet That's true.

And then the only other thing that that kind

of That the only other nitpick I really had with

the movie was I have two but one is more is a

little more glaring to me Was when they go to

project Pegasus and You know, they get escorted

into that room and then they get locked into

the room And then they break out like No one

comes after them Like none of the guards like

in the building like Like yeah, it was it was

weird It's like we're gonna detain these two

people because they're here asking questions

about something They shouldn't be asking questions

about oh, they just broke out. Okay. Well, they're

buddy buddy because apparently this guy works

for some department We've never heard of Yeah,

it was that just that that small little thing

and that's just me That's just me being OCD about

these things. I tend to be, I think I said, finally,

I tend to be a little Drex about the Marvel Cinematic

Universe, where I take everything literal, like

that it is how it is, like, and when they contradict

themselves, it really bugs the crap out of me.

No, I'm in the same boat. Because I feel like

they're so good and you have so many talented

people, like you don't need to be making these

mistakes. And then I didn't care how Ronan got

punked Like I like Ronan, I know he meets his

end in Guardians of the Galaxy but You punked

him And and it kind of throws it kind of throws

a really weird shadow on things like What did

she do to the Cree because the Cree are apparently

still a threat? Whenever Guardians of the Galaxy

is set, you know Like what did she actually do

when she went off into space? Really say what

I'm wondering if she got captured at some point

Well, I well the one interesting thing I read

about Kevin Feige in an interview with Kevin

Feige because he said Someone asked someone said

that the movie doesn't really answer Why she

never came back to earth or like why Nick didn't

page her earlier? which it doesn't but Feige

actually said We don't know that this is the

first time he's paged her like there's what is

it a a 13 year gap between Captain Marvel and

like Iron Man Where he could have paged her before

and that could be why he came up with the Avengers

initiative Well, it is it's literally in the

movie why he did it Like Just think that I think

if we get a sequel to Captain Marvel, it's gonna

be another period piece But whether it's set

on earth or not that remains to be seen Almost

kind of like how Wonder Woman 2 is supposed to

be a period piece in 1984. Yes, I don't It bothers

me that these actually I want to save that for

a transition into the Joker trailer But the last

thing I really want to say And this it goes back

to my Drax comment about taking things literally

Is I want to put this out there I think I mentioned

it a little bit on Twitter But I didn't really

get any no one really responded to me because

everyone probably thinks I'm crazy But I was

watching Infinity War. All right, and I got all

the way I had like an hour I had like 30 minutes

left to the movie and I went wait a second and

I rewound the movie all the way back to when

Thor meets the Guardians of the Galaxy, okay

Excellent scene. There's a giant exposition dump

about the infinity stones. Okay Thor says that

they need to go the next place they need to go

To try to you know to get a stone or to capture

Thanos is they need to go to nowhere All right,

and they're like, why do we need to go? We don't

need to go to nowhere He's like no we need to

do this and he goes he gives a detailed layout

of where all the infinity stones are Okay Not

necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but

he says that the time stone is on earth in possession

of the Avengers one We've never seen that Thor

has ever seen the time stone Okay, and to dr.

Strange is not an Avenger That is true, so I

was like I was like, how does he know like? It's

and and and yeah thor met strange in ragnarok,

but it's not like strange met him shook his hand

and said oh look I have the time stone Like there

was none of that, you know Um now there is some

weird dialogue between the two of them that suggests

that they may know each other like the whole

like Why didn't you send me an email or call

me? But whatever i'll toss that aside. That's

just that just feels kind of weird Plays more

for the laugh true so i was like okay that's

a one -off thing and then i watched thor ragnarok

and this is where it gets really interesting

and which is thor ragnarok is the literal prologue

to infinity war um it opens with thor captured

he's in the cage and he's having a conversation

with the skeleton that he's in the cage with

and he gives a rundown of what he's been doing

and he says I've been traveling the universe

looking for shiny stones and I haven't found

any okay yet the literal next movie which is

literally starts where Ragnarok ends he knows

where they all are I don't know. What I came

up with and I came up with some of my coworkers

was Infinity Roar was written as a movie that

anybody could watch and not having seen the other

21 movies. I could see that. So you can watch

it and that's why that scene plays as like an

exposition dump. It's laying out the rules for

why there's all these different locations for

where people are. Like you've got infinity stones

on Earth. So you've got Earth. You've got infinity

stones on, you know, in space. And that's why

they've got the Guardians of the Galaxy. And,

you know, we've got all these adventures that

are going to come into into one thing. It's just

it seems such like such sloppy. First, cohesive

as everything appears to be. Despite everything

being their own movie for as cohesive as everything

is it just seems like a huge misstep To like

Have the character say I didn't I haven't found

anything and then in the next movie give him

the exposition dump of where everything is So

it kind of it just worked me and that's where

I realized I take everything like You know people

can be like well, you didn't read the comics

or this is like no if it didn't happen in the

movies It didn't happen like so they're they're

just I Don't know that that's that's just me

Because I find myself watching infinity war more

and more But every time I watch it, I find one

more thing. I don't like and I find one more

thing that I do like That's funny so That was

just that was just the latest thing however Going

on you brought up Wonder Woman 1984. Yeah, and

we brought up the whole period piece business

I said the whole thing about the period pieces.

Yep earlier. I brought up my Disassociation with

DC from like our world Like I don't that it's

so weird For them to come out and say like a

DC movie is gonna be set in the 80s like What

make like, you know, it's like what makes a DC

movie 80s Like I don't I don't know like it's

just it's it seems so weird and I bring that

up because Also because of the Joker trailer

that just dropped Which I kind of want to take

a break from talking here and I really want to

see what you have to say because you're like

Probably one of the second biggest Joker fans

I know of I'll well one The This particular rendition

When I first saw the original, you know teaser

teaser image thing that they kind of the animated

teaser that they did And when I heard the casting

I was like, okay, this is gonna suck and But

at the same time it was more optimistic about

it just because I hated the Jared Leto version.

So passionately I hated that version and I still

do. I mean I get it's meant to be different but

that one I just could never get past. This one

on the other hand kind of gives me like a natural

cross between Almost like this the Caesar Romero

and like the Heath Ledger kind of mixed into

a weird, you know dynamic Yes exactly You get

more of the the 60s, you know goofy looking style

or goofy things, but you get the dry Comedy of

the Heath Ledger Joker and the Apparel of the

the Heath Ledger and kind of more of that overall

appearance. I thought he looked more Romero,

like the Cesar Romero than Ledger. He does. Especially

with that suit. Yeah, the suit, yeah. The suit

and then, but I meant like as far as like the

hair. Oh yeah, okay, yeah. The face itself, like

and the kind of reactions and some of that are

more Cesar Romero. But I found it kind of interesting

and it's definitely an origin story and kind

of it's like an Elseworlds type thing. But I

almost wish that this was the one that they went

with for the DCEU. I mean, I get now that they're

really not doing that, that they're all kind

of standalone at this point, but I don't know,

it's... I'm cautiously optimistic about it, but

I don't hate it. And I think that that's kind

of the important thing to take away from it.

And I saw there was, what was it? I want to say

I bookmarked this. Somebody put, what was it?

The Hollywood Reporter, I don't know if you saw

this the other day. They posted, how does Joaquin

Phoenix's Joker version of the iconic villain

stack up to? Heath Ledger and Jared Leto's portrayals

and had an whole article based on this and This

guy that this Andy Babacht or something. He does

like that hashtag show on YouTube or whatever

of various other shows, but he says Let me check

something one minute, please checks the Joker

trailer. Hey Hollywood reporter How can you say

that without having seen the full? freaking movie,

rather than judge from a two -minute trailer.

How about we ask this after October 4th? Well,

everyone judges everything off of a two -minute

trailer now. It's ridiculous how much judgment

is passed from seeing two minutes of a two -hour

movie. Yeah, and it may not even be part of the

movie. That's the funny thing. Think for what

it will be like it's definitely gonna be a standalone,

but I think that it's gonna it's gonna do fine

at its own Regardless just because you get to

see some of the other layers that you normally

don't see in any of the films So you're gonna

get to see part of the the killing joke and part

of the the comics and part of a lot of different

areas of the persona come out And and I think

that it'll it'll be kind of well rounded So I

don't know. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I

don't think that it's gonna be bad so with DC's

Okay, well I won't break the stone all right.

Let's just talk about the trailer for a second

so I Thought the trailer was great I'm excited.

I agree with you about like the Caesar Romero

I did see a little bit of ledger, but it was

really only in the hair like just the long hair

of it like And maybe just like the part where

he was dying his hair green. Yeah, that's more

so what I meant. But I, you know, I watched the

trailer. The first time I watched the trailer,

just the first time, I didn't even go back and

like rewatch it yet. Like, I well, we know this

movie is again, it's set in the 80s. But what

does the 80s mean to the DC universe? I have

no idea. So it's just weird to think about them

being like, oh, we're just going to sit in the

80s, because I feel like you could just, like,

Batman's just set. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it doesn't need to be a period. I don't

know. Anyways, I digress. I'm excited for this.

And I think you say it's standalone. And our

friend Movie Revolts also thought it was going

to be a standalone. But. Saw that trailer and

that little kid in the trailer. That's Bruce

Wayne. I Got the end when he's reaching through

the fence And he's making that smile That's Bruce

Wayne interesting and the guy on the TV talking

about the masked criminal doing something Evil

or whatever it is. Mm -hmm. That's Thomas Wayne

Yeah, I knew they were gonna be in it. So I don't

know if it has any bearing on any of the other

movies I Here's my here's my thing. I think it

ends This movie. I don't know if it ends with

it, but it is definitely in this movie The Waynes

are murdered in this movie this I think this

movie is It is the death of the Waynes framed

from the Joker's point of view and how that comes

to be, because I believe the I got this from

IGN. I didn't pick up on this in the trailer

myself. But the building that he is getting thrown

out of in the trailer, like that big stone building

is getting thrown down the stairs of that's a

Wayne building. Hmm. I think it just leads to.

Like the Waynes take, I somehow he comes. He

ends up butting heads with the wains over the

course of his journey and ends up murdering Bruce's

parents Now this is work is interesting with

my theory Joker set in the 80s And we just heard

a little while ago that Matt Reeves movie is

set in the 90s I Think They're related Think

Joaquin Phoenix now that's not saying that Joker

is going to be the villain and Matt Reeves first

Batman movie But I am saying that Joaquin Phoenix

is Matt Reeves Joker If that makes any sense

that's an interesting take on it so I think And

then from that standpoint I ran into the same

problem that I have with the Gotham TV show Did

you see what they did to the character on that

no, I I Stopped watching and like some I only

think I finished season one. I think I stopped

because Bruce was so young in the first season

and They were bringing up all these these characters

that he was gonna fight when he was older And

I think we had this conversation. I just kept

picturing Batman fighting old people And I've

never Maybe it's because I'm most familiar with

Batman from comics and animation Those characters

seem timeless They don't age because due to the

medium So like I Had this disconnect with the

TV show of Gotham because I couldn't like you're

introducing like Riddler and penguin and I'm

just supposed to believe that you know some 20

year old guy is You know 25 year old guy is gonna

go You know beat up on some you know, 40 year

old dude Like I don't know if yes, it sounds

kind of weird to say it out loud But that's how

it ran in my head. And so like when I had that

theory about Joaquin Phoenix being Matt Reeves

Joker like I'm thinking that's gonna make you

know Joaquin Phoenix like Joker's gonna be really

old and I'm wondering if Warner Brothers is just

going to hope that The audience like like like

people like us that have watched the cartoons

and have read the comics are they hoping that

a Movie -going audience just buys into the timelessness

the agelessness of these characters But I don't

know I feel like that's just I mean that's just

that's just my take and it's like I feel like

if you Get the waynes the waynes murder out like

it's not even in a batman movie, but like in

a prequel movie Like you get the waynes or you

get batman's origin in a joker movie more or

less Yeah um And you see it from a different

from a different take I don't know. I'm i'm excited

to see where it goes and I and I'm I said this

to my wife at dinner after we saw shazam I say

this as someone that liked I've liked all of

the DC you movies But I desperately I don't believe

there's a Snyder cut But I guess I really wanted

Snyder to be able to tell his story even though

he will never be able to but They for better

or worse the DC you movies have changed their

tone and the studio has changed their direction

for their movies But I feel like I really hope

that the studio is adjusting their box office

expectations for these movies because their reputation

is tarnished, right? So they need to take a little

bit to cultivate goodwill with their audience.

And so it's like, I want to see a sequel to Shazam,

but if they expect Shazam to have out -of -control

box office numbers, we'll never see a sequel

to Shazam. You know what I'm saying? Like, I

want them to succeed, and I like where they're

going, but I just hope the studio doesn't have

unreal expectations for audience turnout, because

I don't think they're going to get the numbers

that they want. I mean, yes, Wonder Woman's popular,

and Aquaman made like a billion dollars, but...

Feel like you should expect Shazam to do less

than Ant -Man money If that makes any sense no,

I and I get that because it's his first time

kind of coming to live -action so nobody really

knows Yeah, what to expect and he's kind of a

tertiary character for the most part and I feel

like they need to Feel like Joker's the same

although I feel like I feel like yes in this

one in this one regard Joker is a one -off. I

don't think we'll get a Joker to No. So I guess

in that regard, yes, it's a one -off. It's not

meant to build a franchise. But I hope they don't

see... I hope the Joker movie does well, and

I hope they've earned enough goodwill back from

the audience that the Joker movie does well.

But am I wrong? Have I heard... Is the Joker

movie supposed to be R? I don't know. I haven't

heard either way on it. I don't... Feel like

I heard one way or the other but I can't I can't

recall I Don't know if DC's decided to go down

that road yet Yeah, I don't know if I mean if

they were going to this would be kind of smart,

but I would rather see the Matt Reeves Batman

Like be like their their Arkham Asylum more or

less and then have that be that Don't know that

Batman I don't see here's I'm I Don't know that

any movie needs to be rated are I don't think

so either but I Yeah, the are rating grants you

certain liberties Like don't get it wrong. I

love my Deadpool But I feel like even with a

character like Deadpool I feel like there is

a If done, right Feel like there is You can find

the funny and censorship. Well, they did it with

the PG -13 version the once upon a Deadpool Yes,

but and I haven't seen that yet So maybe that's

what I'm talking about But like I I do think

they're it I think I've done right you can find

the funny in a sensor and in censorship for a

movie like Deadpool to be funny in some cases

even funnier I I don't know that because at the

end of the day Batman is more suspense and thriller

and a lot of The New Age horror movies are more

suspense and thriller and they're pg -13 Like

They yeah, I just I don't I don't know that anything

needs to be are I know it gives you certain liberties

and things like that as far as language goes

and and and and and content but And also like

in this day of special effects I feel like if

you're are rated and you're going with gore like

you're not even doing practical Special effects

like buckets of corn syrup. You're doing CGI

gore Which just looks awful so um Yeah, I haven't

I feel like I've heard I thought I thought maybe

it was like on the table Obviously, they haven't

it's not it's not finalized yet. It's still ready

Excuse me still rating pending but On a slight

Matt Reeves Batman Yeah, I'm getting kind of

tired of Of of saying that oh i'm working on

it or things of that nature I just would rather

actually see something come out of it. Although

when they did the 80th anniversary they um People

were quick to spot that there was a script sitting

nearby or a wannabe script with a particular

logo Yep, I saw that I I think that was just

there just for for added um social media promotion

Army Hammer. Army Hammer. I know, I really hope

it is, but it won't be. Why? Why? Why? They listen

to fans when they cast bail. They should listen

to us now and cast Army Hammer. Yeah, considering

everybody complains so much over Affleck. He

wasn't that bad. He wasn't, he was great. For

what he had, he was great. You know say what

you want about Snyder, but he cast everyone that

We've seen so far like there. You know Gal Gadot

is still Wonder Woman Jason Momoa is still Aquaman

Yeah, sure Ben Affleck isn't Batman anymore.

I Want to believe that Henry Cavill is still

Superman I can't say one way or the other Hey,

I want to say he's still Superman, but I don't

know No one knows. I think they did really good

when they were picking out who was going to play

who. I like Ezra Miller as the Flash even though

Warner Brothers is in danger of losing him as

well. I think he was even trying to write it.

I think that's where they're having creative

differences and he's threatening to walk over

them. Which, if it happens, it's unfortunate,

but it seems like that's been DC's track record.

Yeah, I know. Which is bad. I mean, they can't

keep messing with... I mean, say what you will

about Disney. Disney kind of gives that initial,

like, you know, this is the direction we want

to go, but create a good story, you know, and

then they just kind of let them do it. Whereas

it's I feel like Warner is constantly micromanaging

to the point that they're destroying their own

films But they also lost the head of their studio

just recently so Things could change so things

could change yes, they could But is it weird

that we have a Joker trailer, but we don't have

Wonder Woman 1984 no I think they're putting

more of their eggs in one basket. Huh. I think

that there might be things going on behind the

scenes that no one's yet aware of or... With

84? Could be. That could be why we haven't heard

anything. I mean, there's literally been no news.

Well, I have no idea what it could be. Didn't

they rap? I thought they rapped. Maybe they did.

I don't know. Maybe it's just... Is it supposed

to come out this year? No, but I thought I thought

I saw a tweet a little while ago that they wrapped

Maybe I'm wrong I'm looking but I don't know

it doesn't come out. Well, they said this teaser

poster Something I don't know Is Wonder Woman

I think it was originally supposed to be December

wasn't it? Something like that Guess there's

there's footage that they this is the studio

showed scenes from the sequel. It's next year

2020 June 5th, they moved it it was it was originally

this this Winter it's in post -production. So

yeah, they've they're done filming yeah, they

Yeah, they said that there was a sizzle reel

that came out that had footage with her and Chris

Pine walking by the Washington Monument. Yeah,

there was... Well, because CinemaCon just got

over with it. That's where all these trailers

are coming from. So... I don't know. It'll be

interesting to see what comes out of it. I'm

interested to see how crazy people think I am

with my theories. Wonder how many of them will

be right? It's gonna be a long time before we

find out about my Joker one mm -hmm I'm gonna

have fun once we we get some kind of an announcement

on the Batman and trying to figure out what suits

again I Think it See I just like predicting the

suit I do too, and I think a good place to start

is So they yeah, they're they're making standalone

movies from the DCEU right like all that stuff

kind of got thrown out the window But they're

also like the bat the Batman has always been

a prequel to whatever the DCEU movies were right

so I think if you like look at Affleck suit and

then reverse engineering Yeah, you work backwards

like I think you could end up with something

Like I think it was a Good Jim Lee Batman mm

-hmm he had one that had I think he had a didn't

he have a suit that kind of looked like Bales

Isn't there one isn't there like a new 52 Batman

that looks kind of like Bales did with the plates

I Don't know why that's just that's something

Anyway, I feel like it might be a little more

52 new fit like Superman suit was mm -hmm Rather

than Frank Miller's Yeah, it's hard to say But

yeah, I think if you went backwards from where

of course it could also be Like the Affleck suit

but Batman year one Yeah, yeah, we could see

that or we could kind of see somewhere in between

Don't know I'm more so wanting a bat beyond Everybody's

holding out for that. It's funny because what

was it Kevin Smith recently was like, yeah They

should get Tim Burton back and they should get

Michael Keaton to come play old man Bruce and

then you know cast somebody else to play Terry

McGinnis and and I was like, yeah, everybody's

been saying that since like 2005 Yeah It's this

one right here. Let me see if I can blow. Let

me see if I can save this copy image. Let's see.

This is what I was talking about. Where's the

chat? Great podcast. Yay. That's not what I wanted.

Does that take? Yeah, that is what I wanted.

So. Some interesting things coming up. Got a

lot to look forward to I know that yes Yes, yes,

yes, I guess next time I'm on we can talk more

about the future of video games Yeah, we could

do that. I've been having a lot of fun with that

lately to you so I'm Just a hint just just a

little bit of a tidbit so people kind of know

what I'm thinking I am paying attention to Google

Stadia And only probably only because I'm one

of the few I live in an area where it would I

could actually use it So I'm paying attention

to it I'd be more likely to do stadia than I

would be like an Xbox or a standalone PC Because

I'm still very much like a console user and mostly

ps4 But it's kind of where I come down on that

But before we just start rambling on here, I

think I think I'm about done. I think so, too

I think I think I'll be looking forward to talking

some cool gaming stuff next time I think we just

dumped on them for two hours. So That's okay.

I'm gonna cut this one in half. So though though

Oh, no, there's gonna be one. It's just straight

adult talking about homeownership and then one

that's just talking about movies I'm gonna be

evil about it. Oh, I'm so sorry everybody. Oh,

this is what happens when I don't talk to Steve

and I don't record all that often. It's been

a while. What order it comes out, no one will

know until they hear this part of the episode.

Oh, this is so bad. I'm sorry everybody, I'm

sorry. That's alright, they'll get one on Wednesday

and one on a Friday, so. You just got to make

it part one and part two. Yeah, that's what it's

gonna be okay That way they don't have to listen

to two hours of us rambling. Oh good Alrighty

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