Reflecting on the State of Star Trek Fandom

Greetings, my fellow Starfleet officers. I am

your captain on the deck, Mike the Birdman Dog,

but I'm not alone as we sit down at the Denny's

Buffet to talk about Star Trek. I am joined with

Steve Megatron Phillips. I just realized, I don't

think I've ever seen a Denny's that has a buffet,

but at Star Trek, they do. Well, it's called

Neelix's. There we go. I like it. So last time

on the show, we talked about Space exploration

kind of the politics of space exploration the

do's the don'ts and the what -ifs in this episode

our 25th episode We're gonna go back to our very

first episode and kind of look back upon the

fandom that we've kind of found ourselves in

and How is I mean Steve we've been doing this

show for over a year now, right? Oh, yeah, so

it's time to look back on that because Some fandoms

have huge surges in popularity, like, for example,

My Little Pony and Brony's. I mean, there's a

reason why you haven't seen a new episode from

Last Sex at the Ponyville in, like, two months,

because things are changing in the fandom. And

with Star Trek, you can kind of draw a similar

thing. For a while, it's super hot, and then

it cools down. And that's what we're going to

talk about today is... 25 episodes later, are

we still proud to put on the Starfleet what I

think looks like corduroy? Are we still able

to throw on the com badge and still be proud

to call ourselves Starfleet officers? Steve,

let's start with you. 25 episodes later, are

you still as big a fan as when we started this?

I would kind of argue yes and no. Okay. I would

argue yes, because I still have a strong passion

for all things Trek. I still love the series.

I still love the films. It's still a very passionate

part of my life as a geek. That being said, I'm

not liking the direction that Trek has been going

in the last ten years. Which is more or less

down a circling rotation of the bottom of a toilet

bowl Okay, what do you mean by that? Well when

I say that I mean Take for instance Enterprise

It's not the greatest series ever. It's not you

know there were a lot of a lot of issues that

kind of contradicted previous tracks plus It

was all revealed to be a giant hologram from

the holodeck or at least part of it was for Ryker's

amusement Which was a cop -out because they got

cancelled But I also I also think that Since

then I think The vision has been lost I think

truly the vision was lost after Voyager, but

I think it really died after Enterprise got canned.

And it took them four and a half years to come

back with a new track as the reboot by J .J.

Abrams, which, don't get me wrong, I love the

reboot, the first one. It was good. It tried

to revitalize the franchise, which it did. It

got some people back in it. The casting was superb.

A lot of the new renovations because of the altered

timeline. I mean, I could forgive certain aspects

because of what it was. Then comes the donkey

show that was Into Darkness. Which we covered

that in a previous episode. I'm not going to

go into all the details, but it was a cluster

of crap from various Star Trek films episodes

etc. And it was just rehashed writing. It was

just terribly written and The thing I've noticed

with the reboots are and it really bothers me

and it doesn't bother me so much in the first

reboot because it's done in such a way that it's

more of an action sci -fi flick than it is actually

sci -fi. The second film was all action. There

was nothing scientific about that entire film.

Did they use transwarp technology from the first

reboot? Yes, did they use certain other technologies

like con the in the super blood and everything

else? Yes, the problem with it is is there's

no explanation for it. There's too many MacGuffin's

going on there's The Enterprise underwater, you

know having none of the rest of the fleet to

help the Enterprise defend against this giant

USS vengeance Having all these continuity issues,

all these different tech issues, all these different

science issues have kind of come to a culminating

point by the end of that film to where I was

left with a sour taste in my mouth. Was it an

enjoyable film? Yes, but I feel like the rest

of the franchise has gotten terribly soured since

the reboot and I'm not very optimistic about

the third film. Not because JJ's not attached

to it because honestly, I'm not a fan of his

anyway but It's because Roberto Orsi is still

attached and Orsi and Kurtzman to me are The

it's the same damn thing over and over. Well,

they're the fucking bottom feeders of New media.

I mean if you think about it, all they do is

rehash old shit That's all they do. I'm not saying

that that Hollywood in general is original because

it's not it's far from it. It's Nothing is original

anymore. Everything's been done The problem is

is they don't come up with a new way to spin

it what they do is they rehash lines word -for

-word I'm not saying that you can't use their

catchphrase or you can't use certain, you know,

cuz obviously they're trying to keep true to

the personalities, but you can't You can't sit

there and The science you can't neglect the you

know, it was just Those two you look at transformers.

You look at Star Trek. You look at everything

they've touched They've pretty much butchered

it all because after the first film of whatever

it is that they're on the first film usually

goes Okay, and people are forgiving of it because

of you know, hey, it's it's back in film or it's

actually in film or you know, whatever so people

are just like yeah, it's a good movie and then

the studio of course takes us to think oh these

guys are great we have to get them back for another

one and unlike you know back in the day during

the old tracks or during old you know star wars

or or whatever where they had a different writer

per film or a different director per film and

you know occasionally one would come back here

or there but It helped it get keep the evolution

going by having somebody different whereas nowadays

they seem to stick with the same group of people

and I feel like that's kind of Handicapped Star

Trek to the point that now it's expected to be

Star Wars I Can't disagree with you on that.

I mean it seems to me to kind of follow up on

your point After In the Darkness was in theaters,

before that, everyone was really excited. We

got Bennett at Cumberbatch as Con, though everybody

says it wasn't Con, but it was Con, and it looked

pretty cool. We had fricking RoboCop in Star

Trek, and it seems like things were going really,

really, really well for the franchise. In the

Darkness came out, and I wouldn't say it bombed,

I don't think it performed to expectations. And

it seems to me like the fandom just kind of dried

up. I mean, there's wonderful projects like Star

Trek Renegades, uh, Netflix is supposedly talking

with people to possibility, um, there's, uh,

there's that other series that, uh, oh my god,

it's gonna bother me now what his friggin' name

is, he's the anime dude. Fuck. Vic Mignola's

involved in. And it seems like the fan films

are going great. But in popular culture, in the

average pop culture conversation, I hear Star

Trek come up, I hear Transformers come up, Doctor

Who. Even new shows like Defiance, I'm hearing

a lot of people talk about now. Star Trek almost

never gets brought up by people under 25. And

that... Really disappoints me because I kind

of want to follow up on your point where it's

like the franchise lost its vision after Voyager

I'd argue about halfway through Voyager. It started

to lose its its its path. There were some good

episodes in Voyager's later years I thoroughly

enjoy a good chunk of stuff after season 3 actually

but the winds changed and The only Star Trek

stuff I ever see is the big convention in Vegas

And I just don't hear a lot of people talking

about it anymore. And we do have groups like

SFISerfully, the group that sponsors us, to keep

the fandom alive. But where does it go? I honestly

don't know at this point. I mean, it's getting

to the point that... While I do love it, and

I don't want to ever see Star Trek go away, I'm

almost wondering if it needs to go away. It needs

a break, a good long 10 -year break. Well, and

they started to give it that break. The problem

is they went straight back to film, which I think

kind of crippled it because, again, not that

I don't enjoy them going back and bringing back

Kirk and all his crew because I really love that

crew, but... It's been done like I I would either

rather like to see a new a New set of a new cast

a new bridge of the enterprise so to speak you

know or I would like to see I Would like to see

just a new television series I Think you'd kind

of hit it right on the head there the problem

with them Making the new movies is the fact you're

right. It's stuck to the big screen and that's

kind of the problem is you don't have 25 episodes

plus to develop these characters you're given

two hours so 120 minutes to give us characters

we should give a shit about and a lot and a lot

of movies can do that with star trek i think

the nuances really helped it i mean with say

star trek the next generation with movies like

generations, insurrection, first contact nemesis.

If we didn't have seven years of TNG, I don't

think we would have cared. You needed episodes

like best of both worlds to establish why Picard

hates the Borg. You needed to understand all

the things that he went through as a captain

with his crew, with his friends, to get why some

of these decisions are hard. With the new Trek,

Okay, you gave us a cool first movie. Where does

that go? You put them again on the big screen.

Big deal. And the thing is, we don't care. So

the fact that no one cares about these characters

because we haven't had a chance, we've grown

attached to a version of them because when we

see Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto, we're thinking

Shatner and Nimoy. Which I think personally try

and transpose their old adventures onto these

new cast members, and it doesn't work and There's

not the say the new movies are all crap one for

two is not bad So I wonder what's gonna happen

with the third movie because I know Abrams is

not involved anymore It's Roberto or see a directing

so I'm a little leery, but the thing is, Star

Trek should be more relevant now than it ever

has been. And you look at a franchise, let's

say Battlestar Galactica, became so relevant

after 9 -11, because it talked about, you know,

conspiracies, loyalties, and all that stuff,

and how people perceive each other in a war.

It drew a lot of comparisons to 9 -11. Star Trek

has this possibility to be this great multicultural

experience, which it started out as, and expanded

upon in TNG and in DS9 and Voyager. I kind of

wonder if the time for that Trek, if it should

be now or if it's passed now, and what I mean

by that is... In terms of strong sci -fi shows

that are on the air right now, we have Doctor

Who, Continuum, and those are the big ones I

can think of. I know there's a bunch more coming

in the fall. We canceled Almost Human after like

10 episodes or something. So, Karl Urban's not

doing much right now. He was doing Almost Human

and then it got canned. Yeah, maybe he's got

time to work on that Judge Dredd sequel now.

Make it happen! I think it actually is gonna

happen. Oh my god. I just got a boner But you

kind of I wonder if the fandom for Star Trek

is just kind of Like I'd like to see some hard

numbers on who was seeing this movie in terms

of demographics because in the darkness was more

or less Michael Bay with Star Trek Jacy really

worried for episode 7 Because it's Abrams Yeah,

and it's just I don't know I think Star Trek

needs that narrative and we've talked about this

with You know that sci -fi guy last year about

why a new truck needs to be on TV and it's more

relevant now because The world seems to me in

a lot of ways more divided than it has been in

a while and Star Trek taught some wonderful cultural

values And the thing is about Star Trek, it was

accessible for everybody. It didn't need to be

a gritty reboot. It doesn't need to be... I don't

think it needs to be The Walking Dead. I don't

think it needs to be Battlestar Galactica. I

think it can approach the everybody audience

and still work. Now, here's the question. Could

it survive on network TV? And simply to me, the

answer is no. Oh, no, no, it would die like I

can't see it now after agents of shield watch

Star Trek It wouldn't happen. It would have to

go to a cable network or in a better idea world

go to Netflix or go to Hulu Because it can be

viewed on demand. You would have your numbers

and if they put out a Star Trek Kickstarter saying

hey guys, we can do the first season for like

Five million dollars or something. It would happen

Or something good would happen. I mean, look

what happened with Veronica Mars. The movie raised

five million dollars in like a couple of days.

And the movie got made, came out in March, and

was great. With Star Trek, I think the problem

is when you dropped the narrative from what I

consider to be the Star Trek Prime universe,

and you start pushing this new alternate reality,

you've alienated so many fans, and I think I'm

one of them too. Because here we are Steve we

talk about the old days of Star Trek like there

were something We'll never be able to revisit

and I kind of wonder if that's the case because

this new Trek seems to be the future and If that's

the case, I don't think I like where it's headed

It's kind of driven me back to my old Star Trek

staples of going back and rewatching Voyager

going back to my old Star Trek role -playing

books, stuff like that, which was a wonderfully

supported line, I'd like to add, by either Decipher,

Lash, Unicorn, or even Fossa back in the day.

Nobody has a connection to these characters.

I think we have more of a connection to the actors

than we do the characters they're portraying,

I think. I think I have more of a connection

to Simon Pegg as Simon Pegg than I do Simon Pegg

as Scotty. or I have more of a connection to

Zachary Quinto than I do Spock. And I think that's

the problem. Back in the day, with the original

Star Trek movies, you cared about the characters.

I think in some ways the actors were kind of

secondary to that. I can kind of see that. And

even with Star Trek The Next Generation, you

cared about Picard, not Patrick Stewart. With

these new movies. I it's like they banked more

on star power than character and While you said

they were greatly cast Like Chris Pines a great

Kirk Zachary Quinto's a great Spock Well, they

all fit the roles that they they were cast in

the problem again is is They're going for star

power in that story. Does the cast fit the role

though? You know what I'm saying here Yeah, I

could kind of see both sides of it. Again, I

love the cast. I think that there's not really

much else that they could have really done. But

I think that they handicapped themselves from

the get -go because they went straight to film

instead of doing another television series. Kind

of why I wonder why we don't see as many Star

Trek fans anywhere. Like, you can walk out to

any geek convention. I guarantee you will see

more Star Wars shirts than Star Trek shirts.

Which is unfortunate. Which is unfortunate. And

you look at it because Star Trek, like I said,

it's become this thing where if you're over 30,

it's cool. If it's not as like, oh, hey, did

you see that movie back in 2009? That's five

years ago, right? Five, right? Yeah. So it's

not that far out of memory and It's just a summer

movie to these people and I don't mean to say

you people like that, but Things have shifted

and I think the demographic is shifting and we're

shifting with it because over over the course

of this show I Think in some ways I'm becoming

disconnected with I mean I enjoy The stories

that I'm seeing I enjoy the arcs. I'm enjoying

Star Trek for what it is, but I think I'm with

you in the fact that I think it needs to go to

bed for a while. Well, I mean, if nothing else,

if they're going to keep it around, I think the

method that they need to go with is the ones

where they have like your Star Trek continues

or your or the Renegades or something that's

predominantly rooted in the old continuity because

the people that are writing these seem to actually

get it which is something I think again that

is lost in the newer translation is it's more

about oh shiny shit or you know, it's more about

that and who's being who, and oh, it's the kissy

face Uhura and Spock. Who gives a shit? Like,

we're here watching science. I mean, yeah, you

want them to have personal interactions and everything,

but why do they have to be all like that? I mean,

this is like space exploration. It's not... a

damn soap opera. Well, I think the soap opera

experience is important to it, too. I mean, because

you look at, you look at the older Star Trek

movies, and a majority of them had a message.

I can't tell you what the message is of In the

Darkness is, and I can't tell you what the message

was for the reboot, either. I mean, with Star

Trek IV, Wales, environment, I get that right

away. And that's the one that probably comes

the clearest to mind. Whereas, say, First Contact,

revenge and its implications. With the other

ones, it doesn't come to mind as quickly. And

I think it should. Star Trek, to me, has always

been about a message and the relationships of

the characters with the science. And the new

movies have discarded that. And I think because

we live in an era now where people are starting

to take an interest in science again, thanks

to people like Neil Tyson and Degrass, with Fox

airing Cosmos, my god, now's a great time to

do a new Star Trek series. Have people learn

about shit like magnetars and supernovas black

holes and all that shit You could make a new

Star Trek series really interesting and even

tied into the new continuity Have a ship hell

if they want to steal a page out of the TNG playbook

Move it forward a generation so you don't have

to have Zachary Quinto or if you wanted to you

can have Zachary Quinto He's a fucking Vulcan

they live like a couple hundred years anyway,

right? Pretty much. It's not like he's doing

much other than the you know, the occasional

film here or there Yeah, so, you know and Karl

Urban's not doing much I mean you could have

him record video logs or something, you know

have narration or flashbacks or something There's

so much possibility where they could just have

a series flash forward and maybe do it as like

a 13 episode mini series see if the possibilities

there for people to tune in and Don't give it

the fucking sci -fi whatever you goddamn do or

Fox or Fox give it to AMC. Well there was actually,

it's funny that you say that because there was

a rumor floating around a few days ago about

Netflix possibly courting CBS for a new series

pick up and it was quickly squashed because of

the sources and everything else but it still,

it was intriguing enough because people were

actually flocking to it. Like almost expecting

it to to be legit Yeah, I mean I even posted

that link myself and they're like we've had talks,

but nothing's come out of it. Although I did

I was disappointed too. I posted it as well.

I was guilty. And I don't know it's like I Wonder

who at CBS is so desperate to hold on to the

rights that they don't want to use them other

than on film All they get to do is license it

out. It's not like they you know I mean Abrams

even when he took over and I think the reason

why he flocked to Star Wars is because they're

giving him you know the ability to Do what the

hell he wants? I really wonder how the new television

series will tie into like rebels will tie into

the new series. I'm curious Well, I mean he wanted

to bring Star Trek Back to TV back to TV and

he had a plan for it and everything and CBS said

Here's my finger look between the lines, you

know, yeah It's tragic because I think I Think

it could be really cool, especially given the

budgets if you could get the right studios behind

this It could be awesome and you don't need to

have it super super flashy build your sets do

practical and You know tell stories not science

fiction Events, you know, like not everything

needs to be You know, you don't always need lens

flip Give me a little more inner light a little

less best of both worlds if you kind of get where

I'm going with this Yeah, give me stories that

make me care and have them in the future. That's

great And there's lots of great actors out there

who would make wonderful additions to the new

Abrams verse And that's the route they wanted

to go. I'm glad people like Michael Dorn are

trying to make Captain Worf happen the people

behind Star Trek Renegades. It looks cool when

it's finished. People like Vic Mignola do it.

Star Trek continues. There's great stuff out

there. I just, I wonder if it's gonna pass by

the vast majority of people because they don't

care. And I think apathy is what's gonna hurt

this fandom the most. And I don't want it to

infect people like us. Because, you know, we

are podcasters. We are a voice in the geek community.

And I think it's important we keep the Star Trek

torch alive, but it needs to be kept alive for

the right reasons. Yeah, I mean, I don't want

to see it just stay around because... It is.

You know, because I want it to. I want it to

stay around because it legitimately deserves

to. Yeah. I mean, I look at, say, the Doctor

Who fandom, for example, that just kind of came

out of nowhere. with the Eccleston years, which

is awesome. I'm glad it's come back and it's

doing really, really well. But it's been around

almost as long as Star Trek, and look how retarded

popular it is. But they keep reinventing it.

Yeah. I mean, you get a new Doctor every few

years. Yeah. And I think they could learn something

from that. I mean, the Doctor regenerates. once

every couple seasons, sometimes, you know, a

little more often than that, depending on who's

playing them. And you're right, the show reinvented

itself. Star Trek could do that. I'm not saying

give us a whole new crew, but when Best of Both

Worlds airs, they were ready to kill Picard.

Imagine a Star Trek show that establishes itself

over two years, whatever, then you kill the captain.

Or, like, um... Where the fuck am I? or in Babylon

5, when the first commander left, and then Tron

came and took over. Whatever his name was, I

can't remember. Sheridan? I don't know. Stuff

like that. I mean, Star Trek has the possibility

to do so much more, and I don't want to see it

just become a relic or a quaint thing at your

next sci -fi convention, or, hey, here's, you

know, Nichelle Nichols doing a signing just because.

I don't want them to be that sad dude at the

end of the con line if you kind of get where

I'm going. I want this to stay around because

it's relevant. I want this to stay around because

it means something. I want Star Trek to mean

more to me again. Like in our last episode we

talked about space exploration and I started

reading about engineering and how space works

and how there's all these really cool advances

in technology. Star Trek could get people talking

again. It really could. I mean, look how many

people talk about the walking dead. They talk

about what if society falls apart. Star Trek

has that possibility to address social issues

and make it really interesting. I mean, imagine

if Star Trek, for example, had its first gay

captain or lesbian first daughter or a guy who

was crippled like Geordi was, except maybe he's

got a prosthetic leg or something, you know.

There's so many possibilities there to tell interesting

stories with interesting people and no one cares.

That really bums me out on a way I can't quite

describe. And I look back at my old Trek stuff

and I don't want to say, do you remember the

good old days? I want the stories to move forward.

I don't want them to pull a Disney and disregard

30 years of continuity. And that's what I'm afraid

is going to happen with Star Trek. They're going

to hand wave away Shatner and all of them. I

mean, the only thing keeping that in the prime

universe is Old Spock. And when Leonard Nimoy

is dead, which you never know when that's going

to happen, that's it. The last line, other than

Shatner himself, is gone and he's dead in the

movie continuity. Then again, it's Star Trek.

They'll find some stupid way to bring it back

if they need to and I'm pretty sure um I was

gonna say not George Takei. The guy that plays

Chekhov Yeah, Walter Koning. I can't imagine

him Doing too much work because he looks really

tired Like you know what? I'm gonna do renegades

and I'll probably be the last thing that he does.

I Mean, I know it's fine. Yeah, I mean, but we

need to keep We need to respect our roots, we

need to bring them forward and evolve them. Like

you said, reinvent. If Doctor Who can be relevant

after being off the air from 1984, from 1990

-something when the Eighth Doctor movie came

out, to 2005, I'm pretty sure we can keep Star

Trek alive considering it went off the air, what,

2004, with, like, Enterprise? 2005, but yeah.

But still, almost ten years, and we can't get

a fucking mini -series? We get two movies, one

was good, one was crap, and a fan base that hides.

I remember, and I hate saying this phrase with

this show, when it wasn't hard to find a Star

Trek fan. When we had three Star Trek shows on

the air at one time. Voyager, TNG, Deep Space

Nine. Maybe it was just two of them, either way.

There was that time. Could The Times now support

three shows in there? Oh, God, no. I don't even

know how they're gonna do it with The Walking

Dead. They're gonna have two separate Walking

Dead shows. I have my doubts. So, I don't know.

CBS, The Roddenberry Estate, if you are listening,

Trek needs to come back to TV. Trek doesn't need

to be... exclusive to us older geeks who speak

of it in reverence, which is great, but not with

any excitement anymore. That's why we started

this podcast, if we wanted to be excited about

Star Trek, again, and I think in some ways we

become a lot more cynical about it. I think so,

and I think unfortunately it's because geek culture

has kind of abandoned it. And that's sad, and

that's... I guess kind of a little bit of a tangent

we can go on before we close out the show is

when geek culture abandons something it abandons

it hard it just disappears like these fans just

go away like because the fandoms die out for

whatever reason like I remember when the I gotta

stop saying that damn phrase um when the x -files

was huge now it's gone when people used to talk

about uh things like say smallville for example

now it's gone And now it's all Doctor Who, the

Marvel Universe, Star Trek, and Arrow, to a limited

extent, the DC movieverse, and that's about it.

And I said Star Wars, yeah. And some of these

are some really great story -driven properties.

Some of them are more spectacle events. I'm looking

at you, DC. But Star Trek has just been kind

of forgotten. And that sucks. Like, I want to

be excited about this again. I want to see it

not just be used as a punchline on the Big Bang

Theory. I want to see it become something better

than what it was, because writers today are so

talented. The technology has never been better

for television. We need to do this and we need

to do it soon Because I think honestly I think

the work force note is gonna go critical sooner

rather than later. I Kind of agree with you and

it's it's it kills me to even think that It really

does so guys this will be my question to you

so feedback at this we can geek net Share with

us a Star Trek memory What does Trek mean to

you? We've had 25 episodes together some of varying

quality depending on the conversation but we've

all shared something about Trek and This will

be my closing thought and then I'll pass it to

you, Steve Star Trek to me means exploration

not just of space and the physical world that

we see but also of the human spirit because you

see Wonderful questions posed by episodes like

measure of a man with data What is a soul and

does data have one? or Ethical questions about

do we give these people the technology to save

themselves? aka the prime directive Stuff like

that trek to me is always about answering ethical

questions with science and It's about having

an adventure with great friends and family Like,

to me, I... The cast I'm closest to is Voyager.

Not just because I've interviewed a few of them.

But because that is my... Captain Janeway is

my captain. But I can respect people like Captain

Sisko as a leader. In Star Wars, I don't look

up to anybody, really. I really don't. But with

Star Trek, I would follow Captain Sisko into

hell. I would follow Captain Janeway. Maybe a

little hesitantly, but I would still follow her.

And imagination has always been paramount. So

that's what Star Trek means to me. I think as

far as the whole is concerned, I think that Star

Trek... I think that it embodies all those things

that you said already, but I think that also

it kind of, it allows us to grow as human beings

because without the innovation that we've seen

in Star Trek over the past, I don't know, 40,

50 years, yeah, 50 some years, or yeah, getting

close to it. Anyways, without that innovation...

We wouldn't have things like cell phones. We

wouldn't have the tablets. We wouldn't have as

high -tech of computers. We wouldn't have the

concept of video chat or these giant screens.

They've come up with a tricorder. They've come

up with space travel. Damn near everything that's

come from Star Trek was just a ... a thought

in the back of someone's mind and they're like,

you know, this would be kind of cool, let's try

and figure out a way to make it work and sound

plausible in the show rather than just being,

oh, let's pull Magic McGuffin number four out

of my ass and use it. I think that the show has

kind of spawned not only innovation, as a culture

but in the individual because it makes you want

to learn more, want to grow and I think unfortunately

that a lot of that has been lost because of reality

TV because it's so damn cheap for them to manufacture

and spit out like the crap that it is. I think

that it's kind of damaged it and Star Trek, unfortunately,

is one of the partial casualties of it. But I

think that the ones that understand it, that

truly understand it, will never fully abandon

it despite all of its screw -ups in recent years.

Yeah, I mean, it's gonna mean something different

to each of us. And like I said, we really want

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