Altered Geek
Fandom Toxicity and Social Media Burnout

About this Episode
You're tuned in to Steve Megatron on Altered
Geek. Hello and welcome to Altered Geek. I'm
your host, Steve Megatron Phillips, and joining
me in this endeavor into all things geek is...
Wonderful! Not broken Matt Hardy or, well, I
guess... handicapped Mike Dodd, because I only
got one leg, but hey, it's Mike Dodd, the Birdman
from thisweekengeek .net. And that's right, I'm
joining Steve for this Altered Geek and probably
the next one, depending on how the recording
session goes. Yes, yes. And so - I'm making faces
now at my cat. So yeah, you were kind of bringing
up before we - we recorded or started to record
about fandoms and social media. Yeah, Steve had
mentioned on The Last Altered Geek talking about
falling out of fandoms and that's something that
I kind of wouldn't mind touching upon because
we look at the fandoms and we interact with a
lot of them be them on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit,
wherever you can find social media and you'll
find people either for your fandom or against
your fandom and Sometimes they're really welcoming
or they're really toxic. And I kind of want to
share my experiences with that because one fandom
that I've recently gotten into, excuse me, over
the course of the last year or so is the Power
Rangers fandom. And I want to send shout outs
to two specific people who've really made this
fandom really welcoming. And I've never met these
people before in my life face to face. There's
my buddy Cleva, who's been a fan of Twig for
years. And there's another guy I met who sold
me some Power Rangers stuff for my wedding anniversary.
My wife got it for me, and his name's Will. And
both of these people are members of a Facebook
group, Power Rangers Buyers and Sellers, and
another guy's a member of the Canadian Power
Rangers. And these are guys who said, hey man,
how's it going? I wanna help you out. Let's talk.
And in addition to dealing with them in a buy
and sell capacity, they're just really friendly
people. And I got to thinking about that. There
haven't been that many fandoms that I've got
into that have been super welcoming. Like they're
super elitist fandoms. And one, and I hate to
draw attention to it because there's been some
really good fandom. really good fan interactions
there. But a lot of the ones I see right now
are enforcing really negative. That's the Star
Wars fandom. I wouldn't say even just Star Wars.
I think it's been going through a cycle because
I think we had we had Transformers earlier in
2017 and we had Star Trek because of Discovery,
how polarizingly different everything was. Even
myself, I was a little toxic on it when I revamped
and brought back Future Imperfect. And then I
started taking more of a analytical approach
to it, trying to give it its pros and cons per
episode as I was reviewing it. And then to try
and give it kind of equal footing on both sides,
but while letting my opinion known of certain
inadequacies with the show. And then moving from
that, you get Star Wars. And right now, the new
thing, I mean, Star Wars is kind of still there.
there's stuff floating out even with, you know,
Mark Hamill of saying, you know, Disney is gonna
burn itself out because it's pumping out movies
every six months. We're getting like the new
reboot cartoon. So it's just, it's another cycle
system. Well, it's weird because it seems to
be like a niche specifically in the Star Wars
fandom that I've got a problem with, so to speak.
And I'm not painting. all people with this brush
before I proceed any further, it's the collecting
side of it. Now, there's always been vintage
and modern collectors, but it's, I don't know,
it just seems elitist. Unless you collect X,
you suck. Or if you don't like vintage, you suck.
Or if you don't like the super articulated, you
suck, so to speak like that. And I've seen some
people I respect. just get dragged into these
really dirty arguments, and both sides have their
points. And it's just really unfortunate to see
these fandoms just kind of nitpick at each other.
And like I said, you could say this about any
fandom, but Star Wars recently, I said after
how... I would say how divisive The Last Jedi
was, whether you loved it or hated it, people
just got right into each other and it got ugly.
Well, I think it's because of what they did with
the film. I think it's because, and I think the
best way of describing this film, and I think
like Booth Ninja Powers brought this up, but
is where Luke gets handed the lightsaber and
then just chucks it over his shoulder. And that's
pretty much what the whole movie did was take
everything you knew about Star Wars and chuck
it over its shoulder. Yeah, it definitely. Honestly,
the last Jedi felt more like the plot to one
of the Star Wars video games or like someone's
tabletop role playing game. It wasn't traditional
Star Wars. That's for sure. And I'm one of the
biggest Star Wars fans you'll ever meet. I've
read so much of the expanded universe. It's enough
to make you sick. I have almost every Star Wars
West End games. book ever published? I enjoyed
parts of the film. I enjoyed when Luke was in
it. I didn't particularly enjoy certain aspects
of what they did to Luke or things that they
omitted from the film, such as the Han grieving
scene or the fact that they killed him off. But
and there were plot lines in the film that were
just kind of pointless overall, like the whole
going to the Rich Bar scene. Yeah, there was
some. weirdness in The Last Jedi, you could definitely
say that. And they were peddling a love story
with Finn, and they were peddling, you know,
some kind of a weird thing between Rey and Kylo,
and then, I don't know, there was a lot of things
in it that just were kind of off -putting, and
I think it's because it's the first original
story we've gotten. in Star Wars while kind of
neglecting a lot of other things and not really
looking to connect it too much. Because when
we got The Force Awakens, it was a rehash of
A New Hope. And this one definitely was, it had
the element where the Empire kicks our ass. You
could definitely say that, but we'll see what
happens whenever the next movie comes out, which
it doesn't even have a name yet. But yeah, I
mean. That one particular subset of fans just
kind of... It made Star Wars feel icky for me,
and I wasn't particularly happy with it. And
you could look to other fandoms that seemed really
welcoming at the time, and it almost always seems
to center around movies. I'm gonna go back to
my Power Rangers example for a second. That's
a fandom that seems fairly welcoming. Except
when the new movie came out. If you liked it,
you got shit on. I thought it was cool. It honestly
got me invested in the property again. I was
like, man, this is cool. There's ups and downs
to that. There's the, and I always go back to
Transformers for this, there's aspects where
a new rebooted attempt revitalized the franchise.
Then there's elements, you know, such as like
Beast Wars. You look at the original Transformers,
it had died off years before. And then they come
up with Beast Wars and it was a totally different
aesthetic, totally different concept, different
everything. And then they connected it and then
they started kind of going back to the old school
formula because it had been brought back. And
then it started to taper off and then they made
the film. And then from then on, it's been a
conversation between the films and the animated
series where the films have largely been terrible.
but they're just stupid action movies which are
polarizing on their own. And then you look at
things like Ghostbusters. I was just about to
bring that up. And it was to revitalize the franchise
and it tanked. And then you look at, you know,
the superhero movies, you know, one side of the
spectrum you have hits and on the other side
you have things that just had a dumpster fire.
Yeah, I mean to talk about Ghostbusters, honestly,
the new movie once again got me reinvested in
the franchise. I still have all my Ghostbusters
figures. I have the new proton pack. I even have
the Funko pop, the new Ecto -1 with Holtzman
in it. And that was a bitch to find by the way.
See, I think that that movie would have done
better had they actually had the original cast
involved. more than just a cameo and had them
as an actual passing of the torch, much like
Extreme Ghostbusters. Yeah, if it hadn't been
a reboot, if it had been maybe alternate universe
and you somehow connected the original characters.
Or even 20, 30 years later from the original
universe. Yeah, this had to be a shared universe,
why not? And then have them, you know, passing
the baton and, you know, Egon, they could have
just had, you know, had just... died in the line
of battle. And so the other guys had kind of
hung up the stuff for a while and then came back
and then decided to train this new group and
then essentially have one last ultimate battle
with them. And then they go on and retire and
then you have the new crew take over. Yeah, you
see something like that would very much have
worked, but because of the way the script was
written and I guess... It had a whole host of
problems. Even the director, Paul Feig, had said
there were problems. It didn't turn out the way
that we wanted to. And it sucks. But we're supposed
to get a new animated Ghostbusters. There's the
new animated Ghostbusters TV show, which I think
comes out this year. I think so. I think so.
Yeah, so that's something to look forward to.
And in the Power Rangers movie, I get they were
trying to do their own thing. They were trying
to go completely 100 % on their own original
to Saban without any footage from the from China
and I didn't like the Zords, I didn't like Goldar.
I didn't really care for a lot of it overall,
a lot of the changes that they made, mostly aesthetics.
The story wasn't terrible. It was more relatable
than the original one where they all looked like
they were 25. I would have preferred more action
a little less character development But it was
the beginning of a franchise which may never
happen Unfortunately, and and see I kind of think
that they kind of missed the boat on it too.
Like there's there's a point And I think this
is kind of where transformers because even that
got cancelled recently They stopped the they
put the brakes on transformers six seven and
eight after bumblebee. They're rebooting because
they want to do a shared universe with GI Joe,
Mask and... Micronauts or something? Micronauts,
Transformers eventually and connect it all together.
But the thing is, is I think people are tired
of things getting so dramatically changed when
they're revitalizing a franchise. Like there's
either do the thing that the television universe
is doing where they continue a TV show from 20,
30 years ago. With the original cast and and
kind of have this like more natural passing of
the torch with some of the old cast Involved
or or completely redo it but not I Wouldn't say
do the like JJ Abrams thing of like oh, that's
rehash Kirk and Spock again And then just redo
everything give it a shinier look no what I'm
saying is like There's this kind of fine line
that you almost have to walk like yes, they should
have their own ability to choose and to change
things But I think that there's like a difference
between changing things and having like polarizing
changes Yeah, I mean you have to there has to
be a delicate balance. I mean one Franchise that
I think did a delicate balance right of giving
it a fresh look yet staying true to what it was
and I don't think you're gonna see this coming
is My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic. Now that's
a fandom that, pardon me, a lot of people give
a lot of crap to, and some of it rightly so,
and I'm a brony myself. I've got a brony tattoo,
sue me. But that brought a set of fresh ideas
with Lauren Faust as the show runner for a number
of years. I don't know whether she still is.
I actually haven't watched Pony since season
four. and I think they're on season eight now,
so yay. But that's a show that got it right.
Managed to rehash and give us something new and
new and have it be original. Have characters
like Pinkie Pie be something completely different.
And get still the same fun. Okay, what do you
got? Voltron. Yes, Legendary Defender. very much
different from the original, yet still recognizable
as what it was. And I know we're getting a new
She -Ra this year. I'm looking forward to that.
Which will be the first time since the 80s. And
then, you know, we had Star Wars Rebels. Which
was a fantastic take. Did you watch the finale?
Not yet. I've watched the first three seasons.
I've been dying to talk to somebody about the
finale. Nobody's seen it yet though. It's epic
and it lends itself to more stories with some
certain beloved characters without giving anything
away. But it definitely lends to something that
could very well be picked up post Return of the
Jedi. Which hopefully they'll do it like a TV
movie or something which they could totally do
and have Hamill reprise mark Luke Skywalker in
that case Which would be pretty cool or to get
that guy who sounds like him from all the Star
Wars video games anyway Well, honestly, I would
love to have Hamill return. He didn't do it.
Well, he did the forces of destiny animated clip
with Where he played young Luke with Yoda on
his back and it had Frank Oz doing the voice
in that too, so. Oh, that's cool And it was supposed
to be during the time of Empire Strikes Back
when he's training on Dagobah One of the things
that I wanted to mention during this conversation
and this kind of was the crux of its We're talking
about falling out of fandoms and fandom how things
have changed with either revitalize a franchise
or to perhaps lose the interest in it I wanna
talk about social media for a few minutes. We
talked about this on our last Future Imperfect,
how sides are so divisive on Facebook and Twitter
right now. And with a certain scandal going on
with Cambridge Analytica leaking Facebook data
and whatnot, whatever. Facebook is becoming a
very toxic place. Twitter. It's been a toxic
place. Yeah, and Twitter's a toxic, always has
been a toxic place. Well, I wouldn't say always
has been. It just seems like when the Twitter
trolls come out, they come out in force. The
last six years it's been, since we did our bullying
episode on Geekcast Radio. Yeah. That's about,
around that point was where it started to really
ramp up. And I'm seeing people, I saw the hashtag
pop up on Twitter, delete Facebook. And I'm not
saying I'm gonna leave Facebook, because I use
it for a lot of planning, that's how I keep in
touch with my friends and family. It's just become
mentally draining. And I'd never thought it would
say, because I remember Facebook used to bring
me so much joy, because I would connect with
people I hadn't seen in a while, it was cool
seeing their lives. but I see these memes occasionally
pop up, how Facebook is humble bragging, presenting
your life as it really isn't, like saying, oh,
I'm doing so wonderful when really you're having
a really bad, depressing day or something really
bad has happened to you, or you're showing pictures
of your food, yet you're eating from the dollar
menu at McDonald's, so to speak, and you're presenting
this wonderful thing. And then on Twitter, endless.
at wars, back and forth, back and forth, the
hashtag wars. It gets ridiculous. And I kind
of, people have done social media breaks. I've
had people say, hey guys, I'm disconnecting for
like a week or two weeks, or I'll be, I'm gonna
delete my account, you wanna stay in touch, here's
how to do it. And I'll openly admit this here
on Altergeek, I'm afraid to do that. I am terrified
if I delete my Facebook or Twitter, I disappear
as a person. And that's a weird thing to say.
I don't think you disappear as a person. I think
it gives you the chance to reinvent yourself.
without that. But your dad is still out there.
Well, yeah, I mean, you can let people know you're
still out there. But I think that if you let
people know in a post, you know, hey, look, I'm
going to take a little, you know, siesta from
this. I need a mental drain because like I've
done that with Facebook. I find it. I find Facebook
a lot of the stuff like my my own mom posted
a news article about the Chinese space station.
Yeah, I was gonna hit Ohio or something. I was
gonna hit southern part of Michigan Okay, we're
you know, I'm in Michigan. So it's It's kind
of of interested but I mean there's really nothing
you can do about it if it's gonna hit it's gonna
hit like it but getting worried about something
that you have no control over is Is one of those
things that social media just ramps up to the
nth degree? Well, one of the things about social
media and I guess it can be a good tool and it
can be a destructive tool depending on how it's
wielded One of the things I've noticed especially
in the wake of recent violence Is obviously you
get certain Conversation started and these conversations
inevitably inevitably go one of two ways very
far left or very far, right and As we said on
Future Imperfect, neither side is wrong. Both
sides have good points, but the conversation
gets lost in the shouting match that inevitably
starts. And it's getting a little tiring, especially
when you see it from the same five people. And
I think that's where social media is kind of
getting to me, is there are these people I thought
they were one thing and now I'm seeing they're
another. but these are not the people that I
once knew. And I guess that's the thing with
social media, you choose how you present yourself.
And I like to think on social media, I've always
portrayed myself as a very open -minded person.
I'm always willing to listen. Am I kind of a
douchebag at sometimes? Yeah, but I'm always
a giant nerd. You can always count on that. Yeah,
and I think that I've kind of done the same thing.
Like when I first started social media, I was
just reaching out to people that had like similar
interests and then eventually I was one of those
toxic fools that were sitting there purposely
trying to start a Twitter fight for no reason
like it just it was something to do throughout
the day and I mean yeah I was using my opinion
but still it wasn't warranted and then now I'm
of the the mind that I just don't wanna deal
with it. I don't have time to be sitting there
worrying about something that's either, A, not
going to affect me personally or affect people
in the grand scheme of things. Like it's a fictional
thing. Or if it's the fact that everybody's shouting
in the same echo chamber. Yeah, it's, you know,
I've been involved in very few Twitter fights.
I've been the victim. I've been on that side
too. And that's... never a pleasant time, never
a fun time. But I don't know, it's fascinating
to see that I never thought I'd get burned out
on social media. I've always been such a proponent
for it. Because without social media, and I probably
haven't told this story too often, but I'll share
it with the listeners of Altered Geek. If it
wasn't for social media, I never would have found
out that my mom died. I never would have found
out my grandmother died. Because when my grandmother
died, we hadn't spoken in a couple of years.
And I'd gotten contacted by an insurance agent
saying, hey, are you the son? I'm her adoptive
son of my grandmother, Marie Dodd. And I'm thinking,
yes, why? I'm sorry to tell you this, but your
mom died. I'm like, what? You're full of shit.
So I had to call this woman on the phone. and
verify that I'm who I say I am, that my grandmother
had passed away. And I had to find out via Facebook.
And then my real mom this past January passed
away of pneumonia while she was in the hospital.
And we'd just been talking when I was in the
hospital for my leg amputation around Christmas
time, we had just been talking and I had been
talking to my aunt and she had told me that my
mom had passed away. once again, over Facebook
Messenger. And then we started talking on the
phone. So without Facebook, I would not know
about these major events in my life because my
aunt would not necessarily have known what my
email address is or even had my phone number
because we had just recently started talking.
So that powerful connection I guess that's why
I feel such a loyalty to Facebook because it
has been such a part of My life if it wasn't
for Facebook, maybe me and Blair my wife wouldn't
be together Because we talked on messenger. We
talked on Facebook all the time now see And that's
and that's one of the pluses of it I have kind
of a plus story on this side, too, and that's
I used to frequent a lot of the messenger programs.
I used to frequent forums and other websites
before Geekcast Radio. Then when Geekcast Radio
was started, prior to that, I had started Twitter.
I had a Facebook. I didn't do anything with it.
It was just kind of there. Even now, for a while,
I was posting on it. I haven't posted really
... anything of substance in the last five years
on it, at least. Occasionally, I'll post something.
I've not even posted... I'm more so a lurker,
and then I'll comment if I see something that's,
you know, worth my interest. But I just... The
thing with Geekcast Radio is it wouldn't be around
if we didn't have Twitter, because Twitter was
how... I learned of This Week in Geek. That was
how I met you. I met Blanchard through the same
way. And then I've met everybody else that's
been on Geekcast Radio or friends of Geekcast
Radio over the years through Twitter. And so
without that particular platform, none of this
would be here. I mean, yeah, I'm sure I would
have some of these things. Did I have the idea
for Movie Weekend Review before Geekcast Radio,
before even New Blanchard? Yes. Did I have All
Things Transformers before that? Yes. Would I
have any of these other shows? I have no idea.
But the funny thing is that I enjoy Twitter more.
I just have to put on more filters. And honestly,
if I start seeing a bunch of stuff I just don't
want to see anymore, I just start unfollowing
people because... then I'm filtering out myself
what I don't wanna see. I mean, I'm the way with
Facebook. I'm really glad Facebook introduced
the option to unfollow people for Twitter. My
timeline is filled with a lot of role play news,
a lot of geeky stuff, a couple of friends that
I follow. I have a lot of news sources. I have
a lot of friends in the adult industry, so I
get to see some pretty naked ladies every now
and again. And I get a lot of geeky trivia that
way, and a lot of gaming stuff, because that's
my main sphere is like gaming news. But I don't
know, it's just like, there are days I question,
is it still worth it? But for the interactions
I've had with fans, there's been some really
good beauty. And if it wasn't for Twitter, I
would not have been able to receive the help
that I've gotten in the past, especially with
all my medical emergencies that have popped up
in the last year. If it wasn't for social media,
I would not have been able to raise the money
by selling my stuff for my wheelchair, which,
by the way, was successful. So thank you to everybody
who bought my stuff. I now have a wheelchair.
And the bird man is mobile again, just waiting
on a cushion. Yeah, I mean social media can accomplish
wonderful things and and and that's something
else I want to talk about too Not just myself
being helped but you see people that do these
go fund me's for hey I'm having kidney dialysis
or my son or daughters in the hospital You see
these people raise tens of thousands of dollars
And it's amazing or even natural disaster people
that oh, yeah, we're you know, I mean You when
people come together? In a form of unity and
this episode is actually funny enough almost
a continuation of future perfect, which Come
out at separate times it's It's it's wonderful
when you see people join together in unity for
a common cause And you can put aside the BS of
everything that just doesn't matter To do the
right thing and then at the same time the destructive
part of social medias, it creates not only discord
between people picking a side or a faction, as
it were, if you're relating to a fictional term,
because there's always two sides at least, you
also have the constant media barrage or visual
barrage where your brain never actually gets
the time to sit and unwind. And so therefore,
you're creating unneeded processes in your brain
that cause other issues with behavioral issues
or mental issues that can be managed just simply
by unplugging, which I've had to do from time
to time because of just it's too much. Yeah.
I mean, there are times there'll be certain hashtags
I'll follow. And there's a hashtag I've been
following recently. And I'm going to have to
just unplug and just, you know what? I'm not
going to check that hashtag anymore. I'm going
to walk away because it's not doing me any good.
I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
I'm just just going to leave it at that because
I've been following it, too. I'm not going to
bring up names of anything because I don't want
to give it any kind of press. Yeah. But yeah,
I know exactly what you're talking about because
I wanted to dig into it. Jesus. Yes. But yeah,
so I mean it's it's kind of ups and downs but
I've I've actually that's why I use tweet deck
The web tweet deck because then I can hide hashtags
From my multiple accounts and I don't see them
go across my timeline which makes it nice because
I may have to start doing that It's I even clear
out when I see certain political posts of moronic
people there I'll just leave it at that So yeah,
so I think that's all I've got on this anyway
other yeah, I Mean, I guess I could bring up
the the comments we got in the last episode which
is the falling out of fandoms Brad says that
As far as fandoms he says the last Jedi did it
for me fandoms are destroying themselves We're
elitist fanboys think something should be done
their way or not at all I wonder if after hearing
about episode 8 and watching by other means Did
you enjoy it or because I didn't go see it the
normal way I Said he says did you enjoy it or
agree with the post you'd seen beforehand funny
enough with that film? I'd sought out spoilers
on reddit Same here, so I actually watched all
of the footage that was going to be divisive
later particularly pertaining to Luke. So I already
knew what was going to happen. So I was prepping
my mind for it so I wouldn't have this WTF moment
while watching it, which is what I did during
The Force Awakens with Han being killed. So I
knew what was going to happen before it happened,
and it helped me to cope with the movie and to
kind of put the pieces together beforehand and
not have as big of an issue with it. That doesn't
work for everyone. That's just my method Some
people like optimus solo find that a bit ridiculous.
He's like you're ruining it and I'm like now
not really I I'm the type that would read the
end of a book and then go back and read the whole
book Yeah, same here. I'm the exact same way
so But then I could put the pieces together better
So anyways, he says generally since I've left
all fan groups online since I was excited for
Marvel films up until Avengers since it's the
same formula I haven't seen one in theaters since
Ultron I can like the films I like and don't
need a hundred likes on social media that agree
with me, and I don't need to hear from a troll
because he disagrees. Yeah, when you get the
angry trolls who are just looking to start a
fight, that doesn't add anything to the conversation.
Although, Brad, if you're out there, I think
you should check out Thor Ragnarok and Ant -Man.
I think you'd have fun with those ones. Those
are definitely fun films. I love Thor Ragnarok.
We just did our G -Sera on awards and that one
won. I think in its category. Good pick, very
good pick. I think, but anyways, that's one of
my favorite Marvel films of all time was Ragnarok.
It was just, it was awesome. One thing, actually
a little bit of trivia for you. The first movie
I saw when I was in the hospital, they gave me
a day pass so I could leave the hospital for
the day. Was Star Wars the last Jedi it was the
first time I'd ever took a wheelchair taxi and
it was the first time I'd ever transferred out
in the real world on my own when you transfer
from a chair to a wheelchair that it's well called
a transfer and It's the first time I ever did
it by myself and I was actually rather proud
of myself My physiotherapist was incredibly impressed
with me. So Star Wars is always gonna hold a
special point in my heart because it was the
first movie I saw independently So there's that.
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