Interview with Arthur Danner on Overrated and Underrated Video Games

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Welcome to the new off the cuff. I'm your host

as always Michael Powers This new format where

we've got going on where each week I'm going

to the episode will consist about 30 35 minutes

of me sitting down across from a random host

most of the time and we're going to play a little

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off the cuff it will be the Guests hosts or the

guests responsibility probably 90 95 % of the

time to bring a Completely random topic to talk

about for about 30 minutes So with that in mind

I mean obviously we're hoping for some feedback

in the in the forums and in the forums and stuff

like that But we will also probably do some video

game coverage because like I said we can talk

about anything here and just play it a little

closer to the whole off -the -cuff namesake.

So with that in mind, the guest on our first

show with the new format is a voice you probably

all know and maybe love. I have Arthur Danner.

Hi! I would say welcome back, but we've both

been gone just as long. I know. So welcome back

to both of us Welcome back us. Welcome back us.

Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I just wanted to

To the end this show might go on a little longer

because it's the first one the inaugural one

dinner and I actually also haven't really talked

to each other and Probably almost as long We

chat Chat with text and stuff, but There's a

bit any in -depth conversation No, no, so this

is kind of a is for witnessing a little bro union.

Yeah Here For a little bit, but yeah, I just

I wanted to do something that was fun and always

constantly changing And I thought the shorter

show structure might lend itself to you know

Get in and get out and get on with your life

because We're all you know, the the four of us

are all pretty busy and And it won't the new

off -the -cuff isn't gonna be just limited to

Danner and Joe and Sean Z. I plan on having other

hosts from around key cast radio like Dan and

Mike and Steve and Kevin All come on and sit

opposite me I've kind of in my head I kind of

saw this like a almost like a late night talk

show kind of thing where I'm sitting behind my

desk like it like doing a interview more or less

but more just you know two people you know shooting

the shooting the shit so um so you want to get

this underway sure we can do that what do you

want to talk about tonight Danner? Well, my thought

was is I've been compiling a list that may or

may not ever get used. Tell me about it. Of the

greatest video games of all time, according to

myself. And while I was doing this list, I just.

Was kind of curious as, you know, there. In the

opinions of every gamer out there, there's always

these games that are like the best games of all

time. But then there's also the games that are,

you know, near and dear to our heart that may

not exactly get the recognition that we feel

that they deserve. So I basically. call basically

I would call this the segment or the topic the

over under if you will the most overrated games

and the most underrated games and and why you

feel why do you feel like these underrated games

deserve the prestige that they don't seem to

get and why do we just not get why some of these

games are considered the best of all time. Yeah.

Um, I'm actually kind of glad that you tipped

what your topic was going to be before we actually

sat down because it's a thinking man's topic.

Yeah. And it's, I mean, obviously we could totally

do it off the cuff, but I, and I've been, excuse

me, I've been, uh, since you mentioned it in

the Facebook chat, I've been constantly, you

know, in between refreshing my web browser, uh,

constantly trying to come up with, cause you

said pick two. Yes. So, holy cow, why don't you

go first? Well, my first one's almost a combo

one, because I'm... and granted, this is more

of a... I don't understand why one's overrated

and one's underrated. They're both highly revered

games. But one I feel is doesn't deserve the

prestige that it's given. And I feel it gets

the prestige that is given because, uh, well,

I'll just sort of dancing around the subject.

Final fantasy seven has always been a game that

I think is it's a good game. It's fun. I don't

understand why it gets the prestige that it does,

but I do understand because I feel like. I feel

it's overrated because I feel that it was one

of the first games that everybody picked up when

they first got into gaming in the PlayStation

generation. So I feel like those of us that were

suffered through the rest of the Final Fantasy

games or enjoyed the rest of the Final Fantasy

games. I feel the people that they hold seven

on such a high pedestal. never experienced the

beginning of the series. And it seems to me that's

where they jumped in and they they re put it

on this pedestal because it was their first big

experience with Final Fantasy seven. And it was,

you know, considered the best at the time where

I feel that it was OK. It was a good game, but

six was way better. And I feel that six is the

better game. And it's like I've said. Six and

seven are both considered the two Great games

of the series For some reason also Final Fantasy

10 is held in those regards, which I've never

understood Because I think that game shit But

I'm not talking about that one so I just I personally

don't understand why y7 is held as Highly as

it is when I feel that six has always been the

superior game. I know For future reference in

the show, I think to avoid the lot of like, yeah,

I agree with you. And then nothing ever again

is said. There's a whole bunch of like just everyone

patting each other on the back going on. I know

that some people kind of like it, at least when

you and I get on each other's nerves. Always.

So I made the decision that I was going to attempt

to take an opposing viewpoint, like even if I

agreed. do the devil's advocate thing or something

here, right? But Final Fantasy 7 is also one

of the games that crossed my mind when I thought

of the most overrated. And like you, I think

that it was a lot of people. I don't think it

was like their first game necessarily for the

PlayStation. Well, hold on. I think it was more

like anyone that was a fan of Final Fantasy was

a Nintendo fanboy. Right. And I feel like, yes,

you're right that Final Fantasy seven was the

first game that those people bought that got

them into a system that wasn't Nintendo. Correct.

And I feel like, yeah, I agree that that has

a lot more. I feel like that has a lot more to

do that because that was like the gateway drug.

Right. That opened everything. I'm I'm guilty

of that. And I didn't even I didn't like Final

Fantasy. My first role playing game was Chrono

Trigger. And then it was Secret of Mana. I've

never played Final Fantasy, but when Final Fantasy

VII, you know, everyone saw the first shot of

Cloud on the bike and it was coming to the PlayStation.

I was like, I got to have it. You know, and I've

talked about that before on Off the Cuff. Like

I had, I owned a memory card in Final Fantasy

VII before I, like three months before I had

a PlayStation. So yeah, like a lot of people,

that was my gateway into larger world of video

games and I don't regret it but I don't I I don't

know I there's so many other better things that

have come out of that gateway I feel like it

also that was one of the first also kind of like

the first like shot heard around the internet

if you will well with I mean spoilers by now

if you haven't had Final Fantasy 7 spoiler you

know spoiled for you but you know Eris or Aerith

dies like I figured that that's one of the first

things I remember like in the early internet

days when I was on the internet that was one

of the things that like shot around yeah and

and that's the other thing and I think that's

another reason why it's held with such high prestige

is because of the fact that it's it's one of

those games that it's the first time a story

has been so you get so into it and then one of

your main characters dies fairly early, like

for an RPG, fairly early into the game. First

disc. First disc. So and it's and I think that's

also why people have such a strong connection

to it is because for a lot of people, it was

their first emotional. connection to a game.

There's a lot of people I've talked to that have

always, myself included, it's like, yeah, when

heiress died, it's, I feel weird saying it, but

I kind of cried and, you know, was emotionally

invested. And for a lot of people, it's the first

time that I feel like they've really got so emotionally

invested and connected into a game for that one

shocking moment. And it's one of those things

that I get that it's an emotionally investing

game, but I had been playing, you know, when

I was that age, RPGs were my thing and I had

time for RPGs then. Um, and you know, I played

a lot of them and to me, it was a really touching

and shocking moment, but a, just a moment, like

for me, just a moment doesn't make the entire

game. And I mean, there's I mean, people I talk

to, they're like, yeah, after that point, I kind

of fizzle off and I didn't really finish the

game. But it's so early to give up. I know. But

it's and it's but I still regard it as one of

the best games ever. And it's just like, dude,

no, I play it on a whole. That's crazy for the

whole heiress heiress thing. Like I that was

spoiled for me before I started playing the game.

Because like I said, I didn't actually wasn't

actually able to dive into it. for like three

months after it came out. Well, I didn't get

it until later, but I was going to say when I

bought, I mean, it was the I know you bought

it before your PlayStation, but I was going to

say when I got my PlayStation, I bought it. It

was the game I bought with my PlayStation. It

was the reason I got my PlayStation. Well, you

know, I just didn't, you know, jump out by the

game and the memory card first about it all together.

Well, I was the reason being was it came out

in September. It was way cheaper for me to get

the game and then wait until Christmas and get

the PlayStation for free. I almost want to say

I had a greatest hits edition of it for some.

I think I waited that long. But for me, I mean,

I didn't get that. I didn't come away from Final

Fantasy seven with that at all. Like Chrono Trigger

was that for me like that. Well, yeah, same for

me. I was going to say Final Fantasy one, Final

Fantasy two and Final Fantasy six and Chrono.

Like I had played all those games and like just

I mean, there's. There's some serious in -depth

storytelling going on in All of those Final Fantasy

games, but it didn't have those super swanky

polished, you know cutscenes that yeah Let's

talk about super swanky polished cutscenes. Holy

They look like crap now. I know why people want

that game updated. I totally understand it And

it's one of those things that I would kill for

a six upgrade and redo but So, that is, we both

agree that that was a very overrated game. Now,

in the interest of time, when I think of, the

first thing I think of when I think of an overrated

game, well, an underrated game, let's see here.

Just side note, the first overrated game that

sprung to my mind was Destiny. I didn't even,

I'm still... I don't want to talk about this.

That was the first one that that's sprang in

my mind. It's like a fresh wound. It's just festering.

I mean, it smells like gangrene at this point.

Change the bandaid, man. I know. And I'm just

like the second expansion packs about to come

out. And all I like see is articles that just

go. This is going to be the thing that brings

destiny back and is going to, you know, make

all the waiting worthwhile. And it's like not

if I have to pay for it. Fuck you guys. It should

have been in the main game. I mean, it just got

it. Why? It's like that damn picture that I sent

you. We get the bun of the burger when we spend

our 60 bucks. And then in order to get the beef,

the pickles, the tomato and the cheese, I got

to pay extra money to get all of them in DLC

and in order to have a decent sandwich. Wait

a second, I will take the other side of this

one. I will take the other side of this one.

I totally agree with that illustration that you

put in there. However, you have to think that...

Part of me was thinking about this today because

Jason sent me the same image and I was like,

ha, Daner shared that with me yesterday. I think

that's kind of... That's kind of also personal

opinion, right? Like there are obviously a lot

of people that had a lot of fun with Destiny

and they don't feel like they were shorted out

of their 60 bucks. Obviously the amount of time

that we put in the game is, you know, still that

was definitely worth like a $60 game. Were we

bummed that other stuff wasn't in there? Yes,

but I feel like that still was a... Between the

entire sandwich that was Destiny, I feel like

that was worth like the 60 bucks. But knowing

what was the way that game was publicized and

the way it was, you know, the PR for that game,

that's what actually made it feel like it was

just like two loaves of bread instead of like

everything in the middle. But the other thing

I was thinking of, like there are other games

that there are a lot of games that don't nickel

and dime you to death. Like Tomb Raider is. is

pretty solid. I don't even think... I mean, I

think they have DLC for that, but I don't...

I think it's like multiplayer skins or something

like that. It was multiplayer stuff, yeah. So

there's that. The Arkham games have all been

pretty good. The Uncharted games have been really

good. It just comes down to... I think it comes

down to what you feel your 60 bucks is worth,

you know? I guess for me, when it comes to Destiny...

The best way I can describe how I feel is I feel

that this game was produced by Peter Melanie.

I can see that. That's exactly. I feel like it

was super hyped up. I feel like they made all

these promises and just it didn't live up to

the expectations of what They were hyping. So

you heard it here first. Destiny is this generation's

fable. Yep, that is exactly what I was getting

at. Alright, so underrated game. I get a big

one that sticks out for me. For me, there's two

big ones that stick out for me. Now here's what's

interesting, because you got this out of doing

your list. I also compiled my list yesterday,

and I realized I kind of went down... Almost

every game I ever played was on my list, and

I realized I didn't play that many games. And

if it wasn't... Any game that wasn't on there

obviously wasn't worth being rated. I really

went through my head, my memory as best as I

could. I was like, okay, what did I have for

the Nintendo? What do I remember playing on the

Nintendo? If I remember playing it, it went on

the list. Because that meant somehow I had played

it enough. to warrant it being considered a favorite

game. But at the end of the day, gaming for me

didn't become a huge thing until like the 360

PS3 generation, because that was the first generation

I had disposable income. Yeah. And I could buy

a game whenever I wanted versus waiting for like

Christmas or my birthday or something to roll

around or scrounging up 50 bucks to buy a game.

So when I'm sitting there and I'm thinking of

all the games that I've played, one of the most

underrated games, but I feel like it was underrated

only because not critically, but sales wise was

Mirror's Edge. That's that's the first one that

that comes to mind when I think of an underrated

game So I'm interested to see what yours is because

I know your you tend to You you favor a lot of

things like more from like your childhood like

link to the past and I'm not saying that's an

underrated game The ones that I picked for my

underrated games I feel are legitimately underrated

like for me, I think I can see where we're coming

from on Mirror's Edge, but I feel like Mirror's

Edge was more of a, it was a critically acclaimed

game, but the audience just wasn't there for

it. Right. And I can, it was also a game where

I can, I understand why it didn't appeal to everybody

because it was a game for me that I got about

halfway through and I was like, okay, I'm kind

of done with this. It was pretty and I liked

the concept. I just had a for me. I had a really

hard time Connecting with the game and getting

into the game I liked it For the fact that was

different, but it was one of those the moment

I hit like a wall and couldn't figure out where

to go on the game Was just kind of done. I think

I think the other reason it sticks out for me

too is because that came out and was at 2008

Mm -hmm, and that was the fall where EA was had

like opened themselves up for like new IP Yeah,

try new things. We got dead space that fall and

mirrors edge were like the two big ones Yeah

Dead space is the one that took off running and

mirrors edge is the one that got left for almost

a decade now before we'll see a sequel Well,

and I'm no stranger to being a big fan of games

that don't take off with the mass audience. I

was going to say, because Psychonauts has always

been one of my favorite games and I'm not, that's

a drum that I've beat on for a long time and

I feel like it has the recognition. and people

know about it, and just people choose not to

play it. Well, let's talk about... Okay, let's

talk about a game where... But to me, that's

not a game I wanted to talk about. Well, let's...

You know what? That's a good... It's interesting

that you bring that up because you said that

you hit a wall in Mirror's Edge and didn't know

where to go. Yeah. That happened... I have Psychonauts.

I bought it on Steam and I was trying to play

it and I hit a wall and couldn't figure out where

to go. Yeah. And I get that. I got stuck on that

game multiple times the first time I played it.

But I'm not I'm not knocking on Psychonauts at

all. I've heard I've heard nothing but good things

about it. And also anyone knows from off the

cuff. I mean, I'll ask questions about stuff,

but I generally don't like to have my own opinion

on something unless I've played said thing. So

for me, and it was it was fairly I played it

within the last two years. It was a PS3. game,

um, and expect 360. It's a spec ops line. And

I know I've briefly touched on the game before,

and I feel it's one of those games that I think

it. I think because it's a military style game

that I got passed over because it's not a call

of duty and it wasn't a game that was. I don't

even think it had multiplayer. I don't think

it did either. And it was just it was a narrative

driven military game. And the interesting thing

about the game was the fact that it had probably

one of the darkest, most the darkest, grittiest

stories that I've ever seen in a military game.

Now. It's a it's a little buggy. It's not as

bad as half the shit I've seen on the current

generation. It was a little buggy and some of

the mechanics weren't, you know, amazing about

the game, but it was one of those games that

the story was so well flushed out and so well

acted by the voice actors that it just, it makes

those other things that are issues in the game

just kind of fall to the side. Um, and it's one

of those games that I just, I feel if people

are burnt out on military games, it's a game

that they should check out because of the fact

that it is just, it's a breath of fresh air,

but it's, but also I want to put, it's a very

hard game to play because it puts you in some

situations that you would probably never ever

want to be in. It is very, very dark. But it

is just amazing storytelling. I haven't I haven't

played it, so I can't. That's one of the that's

one of the you know, I just I've heard nothing

but good things about it. Just nothing about

it. I'm not a big military shooter guy. Well,

and I think it's kind of like a it's a I would

almost say it's military style, but it almost

plays like gears. um because it's a it's a cover

shooter i shouldn't really say that i should

say i should say it more of i'm not big into

um because it isn't it's a first person shooter

right no what's the third oh i thought it was

always i thought it was first person no see that

shows you how little i know about that game so

and it's and it's one of those games like you

can you can Find it for ps3 and for Xbox 360

for 15 to 20 bucks. I want to say you can get

it for now At one point in time. It was a PlayStation

Plus freebie game and that that's when I picked

it up because I didn't know a whole lot about

it and I literally set down not expecting a whole

lot out of the game and literally the first sequence

that I got through in the game I was just like

Okay, I'm in. The intro of the game, I want to

say, takes place halfway through the game type

of a thing, and then it goes back to the beginning.

So you start off on a helicopter tearing ass

through a middle... Oh crap, I can't think of

the name of the city. It's a city in the Middle

East I can't think of the name of it all of a

sudden It's not Dubai. Yeah, that one. It's Dubai.

Okay, you're in a helicopter in Dubai Flying

through all these giant towers with a chain gun

during a sandstorm Trying to protect your vehicle

and Just all hell's breaking loose and that's

the intro of the game and then it's basically

you guys walking through the desert and coming

into Dubai and There's a hellacious kind of military

coup going on and you're a very small force coming

in to basically kind of find out what's going

on and The more and more stuff that goes on in

the game The more it feels like something really

bizarre is going on and then it just The entire

story kind of turns up on its ear halfway through

and everything that you thought that you understood

was going on You didn't and it gets just Bat

shit crazy in the last 15 minutes of the game

and it is amazing It's one of those I want people

to play it so I don't really want to spoil But

it's one of those like it's gotta it's it's it's

really cool. It's got a really cool things going

on in it so if you like good stories and Don't

you know if it was gonna say if you're one of

those people that like the Walking Dead games

And you just love the story driven nature of

like the Walking Dead and the telltale games

It's a little more action -y, but it's got that

kind of story that those games have. I almost

want to try and start some shit by saying Arkham

Asylum is overrated. Arkham Asylum's overrated

or Arkham City's overrated? Both. The reason

being is because people talk about them like

they're They're they're like a mate like don't

get me wrong. I enjoy Arkham Asylum and I but

at the same time I can sit back and the outside

of like the combat like I'm trying to look at

the When I'm saying this like I'm looking at

like the just the base gameplay Mechanics like

if you want to talk to me about how awesome this

story in Arkham Asylum is I'm not gonna argue

with you But if you want to get like in the nitty

-gritty of like the gameplay mechanics I think

really the only thing that that game has going

for it is its innovative combat system Because

I feel like it's this perfect mix of like real

good combat or combat that feels great mixed

with like Splinter Cell style stealth mechanics

Okay, and like I it's like one of those it's

one of those things where you they they found

that right lightning in a bot like that right

mixture right they threw in like some Splinter

Cell good story Unreal Engine graphics I mean,

it's a bio. It's a Bioshock style Graphically,

I mean right it looks it's insanely detailed

environments. Well, that's the unreal incredibly

polished Everyone looks like they're sweating.

Yeah It looks like it's just rained everywhere.

It's like a damn movie set on there. I was going

to say, and for me, I think Arkham Asylum is

deserving of the praise. To me, it's City that

I don't think deserves the praise. No, City absolutely

does not deserve the praise it gets. Like I said,

and I... I believe, I think a man way back when

we talked about City on Off the Cuff, I believe,

I still stand by my description of the game as

a ADD fever dream, where there's just so much

shit to do in that map that only somebody with

severe ADHD would be able to handle that game

at any great pace. Because they just bombard

you with shit in that game the moment you get

out of that intro Session. Yeah, and it just

the entire game feels like a mess Like there's

a specific way to play that game where it doesn't

feel like a mess And it's only if you tear through

the entire main storyline And then go back and

do everything else where is the only way that

game doesn't feel like a goddamn mess You know

I did that I still feel like it felt like a mess,

but the only reason is because I was I adhered

the The the way the story what played out in

asylum where everything was There for a purpose

and the story at least got you involved in what

was going on The example I bring up for City

is that I never ran into the Riddler. Because

you get the little radio thing and you can dial

in and hear radio communications. And I heard

the thing going on at the church where the whole

Riddler thing starts out. But I was like, nope,

the game will make me go over there when I need

to go there. And the story never makes you go

there. nope and it's it's like the there's so

many individual stories going on in that game

and that's exactly what they are is their individual

stories none of them relate to each other they

are all separate and they just don't there's

no connectivity and that's one of the cool things

about that's one of the i think the charming

things that is going on in asylum versus city

is the fact that It is an open world, but there's

multiple things going on, but they're all related

to each other and they all connect together and

it's all one giant storyline. Where with City,

there is one separate main storyline and there

is a bunch of individual storylines that are

going on throughout the city and they just don't

bump up against each other. They don't get messy

with each other. They just don't intermix with

each other. Even origin, I feel. Origins the

same way as city I think origin was a little

easier to maneuver just due to the fact that

we were used to the shit that was in city Possibly

but at the same time I didn't feel like there

was something on the map that I didn't need I

feel like they did a better a better thing a

better way of um I didn't feel overwhelmed in

or I think the difference between origin and

city is that origin gives you it like at least

takes you like the story will Show you something

new that you can do Mm -hmm, and then like it'll

But it'll never ask you to do it again kind of

like how the trophies were in Assassin's Creed

Unity Yeah, where it's like hey try this side

quest Like try this particular mission like the

investigate like the investigative ones like

try that We'll give you a trophy for doing one,

but you don't have to complete all of them like

yeah I feel like origin did that where city was

just like Here's everything, but we're not gonna

ever give you a reason to at least do one of

them. Yeah One last one and I guess we can kind

of debate this one because I think this will

be a good one over under Just for funsies Goldeneye

007 I'm assuming you're saying it's overrated.

I'm good. I just want to ask you if you think

it's over or underrated definitely don't think

it's underrated do you think it's overrated I

see the easy one out of here I could have picked

this one was perfect dark and then I feel like

golden eyes that harder one and I think golden

eyes the heart man It's one of those things I

don't want to s - Okay, yeah, it's fucking overrated.

Um... Like... In some - Okay. Here's where I

- It's one of those things that I have a hard

time, like, blasting a game that I think is kind

of responsible for... Anything - I give props

to any game that kind of invigorates the genre.

or moves the genre forward. Sets the tone. Sets

the tone. And I feel like 007 set the tone for

first person shooters. Do I think there's a lot

more, do I think there's better first person

shooters out there? Yes, I think there's a fuck

ton of better first person shooters out there.

It's one of those and and I'm gonna I'm gonna

pose this to anybody who's like just twisting

in their seat right now listening to this Go

hook up an N64 right now sit down and play that

game and then you tell me how good it holds up

and then you come back and you complain to me

because that game is just Looks like balls and

ass like I don't know what our obsession was

with that game when it originally came out It

just is oh God like if I tried to play it now,

it would just give me a splitting headache Especially

trying to play four -person split screen on the

TVs on the TVs that we played upon Holy shit

Just wow just the thought of sitting on a 24

inch TV like tube TV Split into four screens.

Just like even thinking about it. It makes me

a little pukey right now Just cuz I mean like

it was cool for what it was when it came out

It innovated the genre me personally speaking.

I'd rather play perfect dark any day of the week

Over gold and I I just like perfect dark more

but Man I just know And it kills me because I'm

a huge James Bond fan. I just I just When I hear

people like I've heard it twice at work this

week where somebody's been like man Just give

me an N64 and a copy of Goldeneye and I'll be

happy for days. No, you won't you're lying You

are pretentious asshole and you're just saying

things that Sound good together. That's all I

that's all I hear I'm just gonna pick the most

nostalgic thing I could think of that everybody

likes and then everybody will give me praise

for I think the appeal of Goldeneye was the whole

like college dorm all your friends over like

and not necessarily a college dorm but all your

friends coming over because again The N64 was

also the first four player console Yeah, but

honestly that didn't need an adapter When I was

in college, you know what we were playing? We

were sitting on the giant big -ass screen TV

and we were playing Mario Brothers 3. That's

our nostalgia that we were playing. We didn't

give a shit about playing four player together.

What multiplayer games were we playing in college?

We were playing Smackdown versus Raw. That's

what we were playing. Yeah, but I'm saying like,

but I'm also saying with your friend, like when

that game, when 007 came out, none of us were

in college. Yeah. I would say it was also us

just hanging out with our friends, sleepovers

or whatever. I do remember having fun with the

multiplayer in the game. My cousin and I decided

we would always turn on paintball mode, which

I'm a huge fan of, as everyone's ever heard me

talk about. But we'd also go in that underground

cave map and set up with remote mines and defend

bases on either side. Sneak into the other person's

base. It was it was dumb It was just him and

I playing against each other, but we weren't

like directly trying to attack each other We

were trying to kill each other with remote mines

and there was always That one asshole you played

with that you weren't paying attention when they

selected their character and they broke the no

-odd -job rule There's always that guy Because

there was always implemented no odd job rules

in our games So With that in mind all the games

that we mentioned I put it to you listeners to

jump in here on the topic with us What do you

think or what is your most overrated game underrated

game? What's your over under on video games?

leave your thoughts and comments in the comment

section below and or on the website and Yeah,

so you can find this podcast on geekcastradio

.com. You can also find us on iTunes by searching

for off the cuff You can find myself on Twitter

by going by looking for at booth ninja 81 dinner

You can find me on Twitter at art dinner Yeah,

and and that's it So yeah, let us know what you

think of the new format Just give us a couple

more episodes before you cry foul and say you

want us to go back to the old thing Quite frankly,

I just don't think that me and Sean can be in

the same room anymore. I'm hoping that like like

the other guys might bring Slightly more random

topics, but I'm kind of hoping that you know

The off -the -cuff guys the the staple of off

-the -cuff guys might bring more video gamey

stuff So we can at least cover that for geek

cast radio Well, that's fine. I'm never bringing

a video game topic again if that's what you're

just gonna use me for. No, no, no, no. I'm not

holding you to that. I'm just kind of hoping

that's the way it kind of shakes out. Okay. And

it just so happened that our first episode back

has to do with games. Which is great, because

I've been wanting to talk about this stuff. So...

Yeah. I will have to come up with a new sign

-off. Until next week, shake a leg. Or your wiener.

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