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Man Gamer, we have some video game releases for

the week. We've got some Off the Cuff 7th Gen

gaming stuff to talk about. We have, shoot, you

know what? Just screw it. I am your host as always,

Michael Powers. This is Off the Cuff episode

33. I am joined this week by Art Danner. I take

offense to the Old Man Gamer thing. I mean, seriously?

I just feel like we're all just beat up right

now, or at least you and I are. It's we have

too much going on in our lives. And we have Joe

Reed. Hello. Who may or may not be distracted

by his 3DS. No, no, I've I've turned that off

out of politeness and decency. Decency. We're

gamers. There's no decency. Joe lives by code

of conduct. Most of us can only hope to live

up to a half of it. Sean Z is not here. Danner

has banned him from the podcast. He's a piece

of shit and I just can't stand him anymore. And

just in case I got it wrong, this is off the

cuff 33. I think I feel like I said 32, but this

is 33. We've also got listener feedback and stuff

like that. In my defense, and just so everyone

can if everyone can hear it in our voices and

whatnot this episode. Um, I've been working 70

hours, uh, the last two weeks. Um, and I'm not

used to that. I'm slowly getting used to it.

It's not really, it's not beating me up too bad.

Um, but if I sound down or slow or anything like

that, that's why, uh, Dan has been slow. Uh,

Dan has been really busy too. Yeah, I haven't

been busy. I've just been for well forgetful,

but Busiest thing I've got going on is Halloween

costumes How's that how how are the Halloween

costumes coming? They're coming together. I'll

probably have them done Saturday nice so Let's

see I Didn't have time to play any games this

week I've played more games this week than I've

played in months good share. We will talk Oh

crap. Oh crap. That was an opening. I finally

recommitted myself to Last of Us. How's that

going? I've put about five hours into it. I've

discovered the bloaters. And fuck those guys.

I mean, screw those guys. They are. Pain in the

ass to put it nicely but then to be quite honest,

I Don't really mind the bloaters now that I've

come across to Raiders and humans and that game

suck far more than any of the infected do I completely

agree because it is so much creepier and More

nerve -wracking dealing with real people than

it is dealing with monsters in that game. And

I think I think it's beautifully captured because

the fact that monsters are I Welcome the monsters

more than I welcome fighting the humans in that

game. I felt the exact same way Playing that

game. I'm I'm curious. Have you been to the hotel

yet? Yes Okay, I'm currently Did I just get out

of the hotel? Or am I I'm I think I'm I'm trying

to remember where I stopped I Just got out of

the basement. No, I hated that. Yeah, that part

was rough We're climbing back up the hotel. We

may have just gotten out of it Yeah, we did just

get out of it because I'm at the part where uh,

she's sniping for me and I'm About to go through

so we're at the point exactly when you get out

of the hotel Okay. Yeah, I I hated the basement

of the hotel Just because the atmosphere really

kicked up. I know there's a there's a spot where

you have to swim Yep, and I was just like, okay,

where do I have to go? I'm only gonna look at

where I have to go I'm not going to take the

time to look around for anything else. I'm just

going to I'm gonna put on my blinders and I'm

just gonna swim until i get out of here i don't

want to see anything and it was just so so creepy

i was actually proud of myself for getting through

that but all that said though that was one of

my favorite parts because of the atmosphere and

the way that it made me feel and the winter when

you get to winter in the game that was my favorite

chapter or segment of the game was winter but

yeah how how are you are you liking the way I

encountered that what you're going into is where

I encountered one of the first problems I had.

That's where I kind of started having issues

with the stealth mechanic in the game. Oh, I'm

terrible at stealth in the game. So I really

I've tried every single part of the game with

stealth and it really devolves into what's the

best way to put it? Drunken finesse. I guess

is the best way to put it because I stumble and

lose track of somebody and they see me and then

it just turns into guy pulls gun on me. I run

straight at them and just start beating them

with my fist because I can never seem to keep

a melee weapon in this game. And it just turns

into a brawl and a mad scramble. It is the most.

Unattractive way to play a game ever, because

I have Absolutely no strategy whatsoever it's

if it's not nailed down throw it or beat somebody

with it and then move on it is i playing this

game incredibly ugly. I'm enjoying it but i'm

really really terrible strategizing in this game

which i don't usually have this this much of

an issue i don't have issues strategizing against

you know. Like the bosses are the bigger. Infected

in the game, but for some reason when it comes

to smaller clusters of people that you should

easily be able to sneak around I Terribly goes

wrong every single time for me part of the problem

I I noticed that that game is when you are sneaking

around in the environment you are trying to play

stealth it's and I say this because of the part

you're coming up to I I Snuck around I was able

to see there like five or six guys in the area

and I was like, okay I'm going to go around.

I'm going to stealth all these guys. And I did.

I stealth. I killed killed or I. Sorry. I don't

know if you actually kill people, like if you

snap their necks or if you just suffocate them

out. But I I took out five of the six guys and

I was going after the sixth guy and I had I had

an angle on it and I was coming up. All of a

sudden, he disappeared. And the game put him

in another spot. Where he was staring at me?

And then all of a sudden all the guys in the

level respond And I was like, oh what the hell

so then I started doing the mad dash running

around like a madman with my head cut off trying

to you know throw a malt off cocktails and Stuff

like that, but I I Really did enjoy that game.

It's I'm glad you're finishing it because that's

one of my that's that's one of the games That's

for sure on my game of the year list Yeah It's

and I am almost kind of sad at the why it's taken

me so long to get back to it. It was for some

reason, Deadpool completely got in my way and

then I just haven't had time. And then I was

like, well, since I don't have time, one of the

guys that works wanted to borrow it. So I let

him borrow it. And then he was leaving for like

two weeks on his honeymoon. And I was like, dude,

you're giving this back to me before you leave,

because I actually have time and I want to get

it done before the PS4 comes out. So it's like

it's my main focus right now is that game. But

unfortunately, much like my life is living with

ADD, I game like I have ADD. So I'm playing a

course like three or four things at once. So

what else are you playing? The Rayman Legends

went free on the PS Vita about a week and a half

ago or two weeks ago, and I. Already owned it

on the ps3 and I had played a level or two of

it and it was fun But I heard how good it looked

on the Vita version So I downloaded and put and

been playing on the Vita version I'm enjoying

it so much more on the Vita that I'm I think

two or three levels away from the end of the

game and I've only been playing it for three

days the the ps3 version I've actually owned

for six months and I've played two levels in

it So I find it much easier to pick up and play

and use in the Vita version and there's no touch

controls, it's just a straight up platform game.

Just fun, good times. Makes me want to pick up

the new one that just came out a couple weeks

ago or a month ago or whatever it was. I don't

know, time's relative right now. So it's fun,

I recommend it. It's pretty cheap anywhere you

can pick it up and especially if you got PlayStation.

Plus right now, it is nothing to pick up for

the Vita. I also downloaded Okami HD this past

week because it was on sale on the... It was

on last week's sale for the PlayStation Store.

It was like six bucks for PS Plus users. And

I, unlike many other people... I know a lot of

people have played Okami. I've never played Okami

It's always been one of those games that I've

you know heard a lot of good things about or

Unless we're talking about Joe. I haven't heard

anything positive out of him about The I'm enjoying

it, but there's some things about the game them

Bother me like when you run the graphics get

really blurry, and I don't know if that was a

design choice or that was something missing translation

from the PlayStation 2 version to this version

So I mean when you put something out and say

it's the HD version I'm expecting it to be I

don't know graphically updated and better quality.

I'm expecting it to look like Shadow of the Colossus

HD. Pretty much. And I just. There's some things

graphically that bother me about it. The gameplay

is fine. I like the game so far. What kind of

game is it? It's pretty much. Think Twilight

Princess, the stages where you're the wolf. Pretty

much the whole game is like that. It plays, it

does have a Zelda -esque feel to it. But it's

got elements where you can paint in the world

to change things. And add things to the world.

So it's, I mean, it's a basic, it's a 3D platformer.

I mean, it's fun. I mean, it's just wrapped in

old style Japanese... Storytelling and It's I

know it's got a it's just it's got an interesting

art style and it's just I mean, I think it's

kind of niche it's Doesn't I don't think it appeals

to everybody but I can see why it's kind of a

cult hit The thing now wait Joe you've played

this or you don't yes, I played it Gosh, I want

to say it was the Wii remake because of the brush

controls. I could be wrong on that, but I think

that's the version I played on it. And within

five, 10 minutes, the anime bent to the thing,

the obnoxious parts about anime that drive me

crazy totally turned me off of even being able

to give it a chance because I was annoyed by

that little cricket character that lives in the

big breasted Spirits chest cleavage and the annoying

voice that it had and how oh, that's the story

The voice everything in that game is obnoxious

Yeah, I can't stand that stuff and is it when

we say obnoxious is it obnoxious on the on the

way that digit is in dust No, he's similar high

-pitched and squeaky and I find her far less

obnoxious than all the voiceover stuff that's

going on in that game Because everybody doesn't

actually have voice work. It's like a Charlie

Brown version of everybody's gonna walk walk

voice and Then you just read text And I guess

that was the other thing that kind of annoyed

me about the game is the ten minute intro that

is all Animated animated movie like Japanese

style scrolls with shit just walls attacks Text

text text for ten minutes straight and it was

like I was like, okay, we're getting the backstory

This is kind of interesting in about five minutes

into it. I was like, okay This is a little long

and I just kept on going Okay, is the game's

gonna start soon, right? It's like did somebody

take their intros from from Kojima because holy

fuck This is starting to feel like a Metal Gear

game when they said they were gonna turn this

book into a movie I didn't think they meant literally.

Yeah It's Wait a second is just reading a book

and it's animated. I'd like to sell my source

for that. That was a Mystery Science Theater

3000 joke that I just stole. Had to cite my source.

Nice. So it's the game's fun, but like I said,

it's not. It's obviously a PS2 game that's been

updated. It's obviously a PS2 game that has been

updated. Obviously, I mean it still has it feels

like a ps2 game I know they have move controls

enabled for this game. Also if you have move

much like the Wii version you can use the move

controls By some very cheap PlayStation move

controllers is there anything out there worth

it? And there we go. I also didn't touch on the

select. I don't remember the last time we talked

about games. I tried to I go. I downloaded that

and I talked about that. OK, that was that was

free and I downloaded I go and I know Joe, you

made a comment. A while ago about how. You love

shadow the classes, but you haven't been able

to bring yourself to play I go. I played it along

played on PlayStation 2 back when I worked at

GameStop and okay didn't get hooked and I've

played it I've Since been playing it a little

bit when I was into the shadow of the Colossus

a couple months ago I have a different opinion

now, but you go first. Okay, I was gonna say

for some reason I out that was the only opinion

I've heard it like it's a big cult hit and people

like it, but I've never Nobody's actually come

out and told me why they like it But uh, and

then you made a comment about like it's it's

not as good shadow in classes So I was like,

well fine. I'm not gonna play shadow until I

play I go So I started playing I go and I'm actually

really enjoying the game. I think it's really

I Think it's fun and kind of interesting and

it's just I'm actually impressed with how the

game looks in the storytelling Knowing that it

was a ps2 game and it early on an early on ps2

game at that and it just really I'm very intrigued

by the story so far and the the you know we always

talk about the. Main character with that annoying

sidekick or that other character that nine times

out of ten in most games gets in the way and

then very recently they've you know had that

sidekick character where they're making them

useful like in Bioshock infinite infinity and

in Last of Us where they're there, but they're

not in the way and I'm kind of finding that in

Ico that secondary character doesn't really seem

to get in the way. They did it first. I was gonna

say Yeah, I was kind of that's what I was getting.

I was like, they kind of made it a secondary

sidekick character that isn't obnoxious. And

I mean, you got to grab her by the hand and lead

her around a lot. And you have to hold the trigger

to hold her hand, which I think is cute and fun.

Yeah. Yeah. And it adds a sense of awe to the

game. And I don't it's it's fun. I'm really enjoying

it. It's one of those games that I'm just like.

I'm very impressed with how well it plays and

how well it feels as a PS3 HD upgrade compared

to, you know, the old PS2 that it just, it seems

to hold up and it seems to just, it still seems

relevant. Where some of those games that are

like five or six years old, they just, they feel

like they're five or six years old. Like, you

know, Resident Evil 5, another game that I recently

started playing. like I go to me because I I

have it too and I played it for a little bit

and I agree with what you said about how it still

feels relevant with the HD remake and I'm wondering

if that's because a lot of indie stuff looks

like I go like not not not looks not looks like

it's like a derivative of I go but the quality

is not unlike something you would see from in

in I go yeah But I have a question because you've

been you've been playing it and maybe Joe you

can you can chime in here too because you've

you've played it at some point is it more Like

when I when I played it I was I didn't play it

enough to get into it and I that's that's my

fault but I'm wondering if the experience is

more of a Because it felt like a journey or a

flower type game, but with combat I is that inaccurate

like is it I mean just I'm talking about like

just in terms of like mood like you're the passiveness

in which you can enjoy it or play it because

like when I sit down and play flower you know

you can kind of mellow out to it until you get

to some of the later levels and then you just

get freaked out but or it makes you feel blah

and the later levels of flower or journey you

know you're kind of you're running around and

exploring and stuff like that and I And it's

it's really pretty. I'm just wondering if I go

is that same kind of experience, but with a subtle

combat mechanic. Or, you know, I'm just completely

talking out my ass. No, the that producer of

games and God, what's what what's the company

called? It's I don't know the company. I know

it's just team I go from Sony, I thought. Okay,

we'll take it. They did something with Ico and

repeated it with Shadow of the Colossus that

a lot of games haven't been able to do, but I

think you're right, that Flower and Journey have

this energy. It becomes a very emotional experience

and it's not so much about the combat or the

exploration or collecting things. You're invested

in these characters in a strange way because

it's all very minimalist. Through that, there's

still a connection built between all of these

characters and the relationships to the environment,

the surroundings, the other little tiny characters

in the game. I mean, man, with very little dialogue,

I think zero dialogue in English, Shadow of the

Colossus, at the end of that game, I am crying

like a baby. I am crying like I just finished

watching Shawshank Redemption and... It's like

i don't even know this character's name i mean

it's it's in the manual somewhere but they create

a mood that is unlike anything else. That comes

out i hate using the word in the mainstream video

game world so i think with. The limited tools

of the ps2 they achieved something that. climbs

inside of my soul and I really enjoy that and

that's why I'm heartbroken that I now I bought

the ps3 or my wife you guys talked my wife into

buying the ps3 so I could play last guardian

now it's probably not coming out until ps4 maybe

breaks my heart I said they said they're working

on it so maybe it'll be a cross -platform title

maybe um Wouldn't say and I don't know if Joe

would agree with this but the combat in the game

I mean there's puzzles in the game a lot of it

is all puzzles essentially But it almost feels

to me even the combat portion feels like just

another puzzle to me and that's what I think

is kind of interesting and brilliant about the

game that even when you're not, you know, essentially

It feels like the combat is almost disguised

is it's just another puzzle in a different room

Just another format of the puzzle. Well those

critters those shadow critters scare the piss

out of me So I'm I'm I don't look forward to

combat. I look forward to And oh it's terrifying

I It's that's one of the reasons I can't play

these games that you guys are playing because

I get That way and they're creepy. It's like

the baby the little shadow babies in Silent Hill

when you're walking through the school And then

you see these shadows on the ground when you

turn your back. Oh my god. No, that's okay I've

beat it. I've beaten up aborted babies in Dante's

Inferno. So You've beaten up what? Aborted babies

in Dante's Inferno. Oh no, that happens? Yeah.

Yeah. One of the one of the enemies in Dante's

Inferno are aborted babies. And instead of they're

running around and like, you know, they're loincloths

or whatever. And instead of arms, they have like

razor blades on their arms. I didn't like the

press throw a fit about that and saying what's

going on. Because they were too busy talking

about Cleopatra's nipples. Oh. Because remember.

If there's any nudity in anything, that's more

important to cover than the violence in something.

Yeah, forget violence. It's all about the nudity.

Because we have our priorities. Us Americans

have our priorities so straight. We here in the

U .S. apologize. Well, us here on Off the Cuff

apologize for the manner in which the U .S. represents

itself. Yep. And our views may not run. In the

same in the same circle as those of the rest

of the United States That's fine. I could use

more nudity and less violence definitely Definitely

wait that makes me sound like a hornball You

are you are a man. It's Yeah, I think by definition

you are a hornball. I only ogle women when they're

on TV. I don't do it in public. That's wrong

As much as my wife ogles and and drools over

Chris Hemsworth and some of those guys He's a

stunning specimen of man though. I know he's

gorgeous, but I don't feel guilty looking at

ladies every once in a while Okay, kind of off

so So so now that that devolved to that, um,

after you've complimented me on my code of ethics.

Yeah. Let's all talk about our porn collection.

What do you have in your stash? OK, so anyways,

the other game I've been playing is I started

playing Resident Evil five. Which I just have

to say to any Resident Evil fans out there, what's

wrong with you? plug your ears now. No, let them

have the dinner. Oh, my God. Why? Why is it that?

How long has it been since the first Resident

Evil came out? It's been like, what, 15, 20 years

now? No, 25 years. No. First one was with the

PlayStation, so it's only been it's almost been

20 years. OK, so why is it that 20 years down

the road? That the fifth one in the series still

controls and feels exactly like the first one

in the series What the hell aren't you guys going

to learn to innovate and change things? So they're

more fun and don't feel like you're just controlling

some clunky ass 20 year old piece crap You know

that you're talking about a Japanese development

house. I know But still seriously what's wrong

with those people? Are you they know how to set

my end to the character design a holy crap Capcom

Come on Round those edges boys and girls nothing

needs to be all squared up all the time God Everybody

else is doing art is how I feel navigating the

Sony dashboard. I feel exactly the same way Just

wait no one is a game and one is a UI. How are

how on earth does one compare to the other? design

philosophies Joe It's that that was my answer

was Joe. I could write an essay. I I have nothing

I I like the the the XMB bar I and I'm glad it's

not gone from the PlayStation 4 So I just man

I I hate the fact that you have to stop and hit

a different button in order to melee. I hate

the fact that you have to stop and aim and shoot.

The fact that you can't free shoot in that game

is just dumb. No, hang on a second. Well, let's

back up here. These are known issues with the

Resident Evil series. These are like headline.

These are headline topic issues with the Resident

Evil series. Yet you still bought it. And none

of these issues are present in games like Dead

Space. Are you going to play Dead Space? Actually

next week on, hey PlayStation Plus people, next

week Dead Space is actually six bucks on PSN

and I'm actually planning on picking up Dead

Space. I own it, I can just let you borrow it.

I know, but it's all the way over there. It's

going to be downloaded in my living room. Dead

Space 2 is going to be seven bucks, and I think

Dead Space 3 is 20. I might have to buy those

and not play them. Well, I think I might buy

one and two. I'm not going to buy three, though,

just because 20 bucks is still too much for me

to spend on something I haven't really, I haven't

experienced. Six and seven dollars is kind of,

you know, at the cusp of I'm willing to try something

new. Um, but. It's and I was messing with stuff

and Joe Joe's Joe's messing around in his pants.

That's a lot of change or something. A lot of

parts in there. That's a paper bag that's behind

me away from the microphone, but I'm sorry about

that. It hears everything. It is the thermal

detonator. And I think the only reason I'm really

playing Resident Evil 5 and also the only reason

I even bought it, number one, I found it on clearance

for five bucks at Target. So it was very little

commitment on my part. And I was hoping that

maybe because I played the demo like when it

came out and the demo felt clunky and terrible

to me. Yeah, the demo was 2009. That was actually

one of the first demos we ever talked about in

the lunch room. Yeah. And it felt clunky and

terrible then. And the beautiful part is when

I was playing it, I got to the part where the

demo is. It was like, it feels a little bit better

in the game, but still doesn't feel great. And

my partner keeps getting in my way. What a bitch.

Is this the Resident Evil where the people complained

because she was kind of white, but then they

made her black? She was kind of white and then

they considered it being racist because of the

fact that you're killing black people in it.

So to offset that, they made her black. Great.

Because having a black partner completely off

puts the racism. OK, here's the thing. I understand

how people can... Furthermore, there's no racism

in the game. It just happens to take place in

an African city. Just because of the location,

it would not make sense to really have white

people there. That's what I'm saying. Why does

a location for something all of a sudden make

it racist? I mean, I guess I can see how some

people would be offended by it, but also it's

just... I don't know. Maybe maybe I don't understand

if they think that game is racist Why don't you

think Resident Evil 4 is racist because it just

pains Eastern Europeans in a terrible light?

I Mean I Mean I was gonna say the only thing

that would have been more racist if they were

you know all running around in Adidas jumpsuits

Because that's all Eastern European people wear

Jump, okay. No, those are rush. Well, would Russians

be considered Eastern European? No, they're considered

Russians Why is this even a question you rush

into that a little quick get it because rush

I'm moving on Wow Yeah, how many hour here on

off the cuff? Hey, yo Where was the blonde Russian?

Oh, she was she wasn't rushing the captain the

planet here Lenka, where was she from? It wasn't

Russia? Scandinavia? She was Eastern European,

but I don't know from where. Czechoslovakia?

Czechoslovakia, yeah, she was Czech, I think.

All right, awesome. Maybe, I don't know, someone

correct us. Wow, that's... Why did we even get

into Captain Planet and the Planet, too? Because

this is called Off the Cup. Because she was Russian.

This is called Off the Cup. Because this is Off

the Cup. Captain Planet, he's a hero! No, no,

no. No? Oh, sorry. Can we get sued for that?

No. Do you want to get sued for that? I don't

think it was I don't think it was on key enough

to be us getting sued for it. So actually, I

think there's a I've looked into stuff like using

different music and stuff, and I could be wrong.

And someone can correct me in the comics if they

really want to. I think there's like a fair use

thing where if you're not profiting off of off

of it, you can use like 30 seconds of anything

as long as you're not making a profit off of

it. Sweet. So. I was going to say somebody who

had to matter or, you know, be involved with

copyright law would actually have to be listening

to the podcast and then report us also. That's

true. That is true. So if any of you are listening

that participate in copyright law, shut your

ears off. No, we're not going to sing more Captain

Planet. Stop. Oh, no. Come on. No, we're really

living up to the name of this show now. You know,

I did. I didn't name it. Christian Spicer named

it. So I think that's pretty much. Oh, you're

good. Oh, no, I actually played another. What

was it called? It's a machinim or machinim. That's

a video game. Is that an indie game, Little Robot,

point and click? Yeah, play the demo or something

on PS3. Yeah, that game's hard. It's kind of

a bitch to play. It's kind of one of those stick

the hamster in the microwave and it unlocks the

door sort of makes no sense to me, point and

click games. Yeah, I played it for about 30 minutes

and I'm probably never going to go back to it

again. That's some really mean endorsement. Put

that in the box art. They should well, it's hey

This is what happens when you make games free

and say here This is free go ahead and try it

out and play it and then I played it. I was like,

uh It's the downside of demos. That's one of

the reasons we don't see more of them. Yeah,

and I am little excited though because Hotline

man Miami is free this week. It totally downloaded

that and I'm gonna play that on the Vita later

tonight Vita or ps3. Can I get it for a ps3?

It's uh, it's both I think both is crossed by

all right. I think I can So if you got playstation

plus he can log out and get hotline miami for

free I should do that. All right. Danner's talked

enough joe. What have you been playing? I have

been putting awesome things into my 3ds Uh waiting

for your penis between worlds to drop Uh, and

I have been playing super mario 3d land found

it for a deal I went online and I found it at

the store guy wanted 25 for it in this neat little

hole -in -the -wall video game store in Ohio

and I went home looked it up and you know it's

at that $30 range $35 range at GameStop because

they charge too much but it's one of the highest

rated games and all right that sounds I'll go

back there and I decided hey $20 because it doesn't

have a case he's like okay So, bam! Got it. 20

bucks. I like that. Played it. Enjoyed it. I

- I - Missing - It miss - It's missing something

that Mario 64 had and Mario Sunshine had that

these side scrolling - What? Not the water backpack.

No, it's missing something else. It's missing

something that the multiplayer Mario - New Super

Mario Bros. pieces of garbage have - Had yeah,

those were fun side scrollers, but it's missing

some kind of weird Mario spirit like I don't

feel Like I know without the soul. Yeah, I don't

feel like I'm playing Mario in the Mushroom Kingdom.

It's like I'm going through a series of platforming

challenges Mario 64 it felt like you were at

princess's castle jumping into the and Exploring

and learning about things and Mario got a sunshine.

You're you're at this Resort and you're going

to resort places when you go to these different

levels. I thought I like that kind of world feeling

and it's missing and Even Mario Brothers 3 had

it because you're on those overworld maps and

you could kind of look down and see the world

that you're at So that's something that I think

is missing from the Mario. I don't feel like

I'm part of it It'd be like a level based legend

of Zelda. It just doesn't feel like Zelda This

doesn't feel like Mario all the way wonderful

platforming enjoyed that and beat it, what, two

nights ago, and was ecstatic, I don't think I'm

spoiling anything, ecstatic to learn that it

was only half the game. You beat Bowser, I had

a satisfying $20 experience to find out that

there's eight worlds of special levels, of super

challenging things. You unlock Luigi, you have

to go rescue him in special world one, and then

you can play as Luigi through the game. And so

all of that, I'm just having a ball. And then

it Unlocks things with the street pass. So I'm

taking my 3ds to school and and like my students

little me's are showing up and we're Talking

back and forth is are you having fun in our class?

Yeah, mr. Reed. Yeah, it's cute. All right, cool.

All right kid now any either way all these levels

are unlocking a Mario because of that too, and

I think that's Having a good experience with

it. Are any of your kids sending you penises?

No, no, no, I can't do that Unless they were

to get really creative with the me generator

and decide to load that up But if that happened,

I would be down in the principal's office right

away. Look what this kid did. And then he'd say,

why do you have your me? Why do you have your

3DS here at school? You're a grown man. Why do

you have that? Well, because I'm a cool adult.

Bite me. This is what's happening. I don't think

you can call yourself a cool adult. I think someone

has to call you a cool adult. I think that makes

you a hipster automatically the moment you do

that, Joe. Really? Yeah. I don't think my principal

would think I'm a hipster. But the students think

it's cool like hey, Mr. Reed has a 3ds like alright

if it buys me some kind of street cred I'll take

it. I don't care Are you a teacher going for

street cred? No, but street cred helps there.

They're more likely to you know put down the

gun when they come to school ready to go They're

more likely to go mr.. Reed. I'm not gonna shoot

you, but I'm gonna shoot everybody else If you

give but well, yeah, it's not fun to joke about

but that You know building those relationships

is kind of important when you're in the ghetto,

you know that I wait a second. Mr. Reed's got

a 3ds He's cool. I'll shoot other people and

then I'll rob his 3ds No, no, but I think like

I'm taking 3ds the mr The guys who stole mr.

Rogers car back in the 80s and they found out

it was mr. Rogers car and they returned it with

an apology You're not you're not gonna be mr.

Rogers I Don't know instead of sweater instead

of a nice sweaters Joe does have his Hawaiian

shirt, so he does have his his niche When I come

home, I take the plain shirt off and I put the

Hawaiian shirt on and change into my slippers

Hello, I'm home I'm gonna go talk to my neighbors.

I miss the crotch shots playing Grand Theft Auto

online with you. I We can do that again anytime

you want I have to find the time Yeah, no, so

I I mean I I don't know I didn't go for Mario

3d land when I got my 3ds I went for Luigi's

Mansion because I like the idea of like the story

and I always never really played Luigi's Mansion

on the on the Gamecube, but I like the idea of

it and it just it plays really well in the 3ds

So I think I'm I think I'm going to enjoy it

when I can find it for Either borrow it from

you and give you a star star Fox or if I can

find it for 25 or less I'll buy it. That's my

psychological limit. I can mail it to you Well

wait till I can mail something back to you I

wanted to pride you of a game. Yeah, but I don't

want I don't want to hoard games when I don't

have time to plan Okay, so I'll ship you a star

Fox after I'm done beating it plus it's harder

on the 3ds Plus my wife is busy playing Pokemon

X. I think on the 3ds so I feel like the the

squarest person on the world. I took this 3DS

to the mall the other day and got like nine StreetPass

hits and everybody's playing Pokemon X and Y

and the DS is telling me, you know, I can take

you to the Nintendo store and you can buy that

game that six of those people were playing. And

I feel like a total square person not playing

it. But I really don't like Pokemon. Then don't

play it. Don't feel, don't feel pressured to

do something you don't want to do. Don't let

Nintendo pressure you. I've been pressured my

entire life. I've been pressured my entire life

to try Pokemon, and I just say no. When people

put Pokemon in my face, I tell them no. You know,

it's all you gotta do. Interesting thing about

Pokemon, I have, somewhere I have one of the

original Japanese cartridges of Pokemon. That's

awesome. Somewhere. And if I like Pokemon, that

would mean something to me. And I... I know I

do because I, well, I didn't know what it was

at first. It was just at my grandma's house.

My uncle used to live in Japan and he, I guess

on one of the trips back, he brought some of

the stuff that the kids were playing over there.

Like I saw a mini disc player before they were

ever here. It like blew my mind. He had one and

he brought that game and of course we threw it

in our Gameboys and it played. A Japanese game

actually played in American Gameboy. But it was

all in Japanese, obviously, so I didn't know

what it was doing. But later that summer I'm

not knowing what the game was I got a Nintendo

power and that's when Pokemon like was like infesting

everything And I was like wait. I've seen this

game before I know what this is But man, I wish

I could find it if I could find it I'd probably

donate it to you Joe. That would be wonderful

I donate it to the Mike powers wing of my museum.

I don't even think I have anything in there You

should just get you should have kept my HD DVD

drive to put in there I kind of have one of those

but I mean I'll take more than one just to You

know I could give you mine says is broken Mine

works mine doesn't mine work for my work for

three weeks Joe you got anything else you want

to talk about? I Wish I had time to play Grand

Theft Auto 5 because I'm almost through the story

mode. I'm 5 % through the story mode Missing

out on interesting missions even if you don't

care for the story some of the missions are well

designed and fun especially the heists that's

what i hear though but i i feel like i can get

that stuff out of the online stuff plus i just

i just have fun hanging out in the online stuff

with you i'm waiting for the online to have missions

that are as good as the heists and and that's

one of the things that i'm disappointed with

after having had gretha without a five four As

long as i have now playing as much as i have

that they advertise they built that game around

those multiplayer heist missions and. I'm i think

i'm near the end of the story mode and there

have been three that i can immediately recall.

That were the big heist prepare for it missions

i'm really disappointed to see that i thought

we were gonna have a real good experience about

robbing all the banks the casinos the. I don't

know big elaborate things and maybe that's in

grand theft auto online I hope so good because

it certainly doesn't feel like that and I Don't

have time to put into that game and get to level

70 like some of these people are already. I Still

have a hard time breaking the $25 ,000 mark.

I don't know how I'm supposed to buy a house

or a garage anywhere That's easy with the stimulus

package. Yeah, I'm gonna have to cheat. So when's

that drop? We know yet. I forgot Charles. He's

not here to tell us about this stuff I'll go

look it up. Yeah, because he's boring and keeps

in tabs, tabs on that shit. All right, we're

going to take a break. And when we come back,

we'll talk about the video game releases for

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I don't know how you just jump 40 minutes into

a podcast and start from nothing. We've got some

video game releases. We're going to do October

25th and October 29th. The big one this Friday

actually comes up the day after this episode

airs is Batman Arkham Origins, which I have actually

just gone out and pre -ordered. Yeah, I've heard

on Sunday because Ali and I were at Best Buy

and they had there it's not $20 anymore. It's

$10 now But they had Arkham Origins was $10 back

when you pre -order and pick it up we also snagged

Assassin's Creed 4 on the ps4 and I Pre -ordered

my copy of Call of Duty from them, too mainly

because Ali and I are doing digital copies for

the first wave of PlayStation 4 games, because

I'm not expecting, as you said before, not expecting

PlayStation Network to work on day one. And I

would actually like to be able to play games.

Not only that, we're going to have a PlayStation

4 in the house from like midnight on Thursday

until like when my PlayStation 4 shows up later

in the afternoon that Friday. And I'd like to

actually be able to play games on it and not

have to wait for Amazon to show up at my door.

So and I thought that. I mean, I want to see

for myself if Arkham Origins is going to be as

bad as I think it is. I've heard some early reviews

leak that I read the other day today, so I haven't.

I haven't read anything yet. But like I said,

I haven't been able to look at it. Like every

time I sign into Twitter now, it's like you have

200 tweets to read. I'm like, I can't fucking

read all those. Sorry. Like, I can't read all

those. And. I just end up skipping past them

looking for like bits and pieces here or something

that might interest me. So I haven't been able

to like follow everybody. From what it's it's

I think it's pretty much exactly what you're

going to expect it to be. It's they said it's

pretty much exactly the same as Arkham City.

And that makes me sad. And they said it's it's

pretty much more of the same. And without they

said the. The story isn't quite as. There isn't

that, you know, kind of semi surprising moment

that happens in the story. This whole game seems

to have dropped awfully quick to me. Is anybody

smelling DLC that wasn't DLC, but made into a

game? No, because this is a whole different.

It's. It's Warner Brothers, Montreal, and it's

not Roxette doing it. And they I mean they're

putting money into it and they really want it

to be they don't want the franchise to die off

So, I mean it's good. I think it's gonna be solid,

but I don't think it's gonna be It's not gonna

be innovative. It's not gonna be anything new.

It's gonna be the same Pretty much the exact

same thing. You got them got in Arkham City But

I this it just doesn't sound like the story is

quite a solid They said it's about ten hours

long because most of the people they got through

the game already So they got through it in a

day and I just want to point out to those people

How the hell do you just sit for ten hours and

just knock something out in a day? I did it with

portal to yeah Well, I was speaking to you know

as a person who has a life I Origins, I want

to see what, I want to play Arkham Origins before

I just start badmouthing it without having ever

played it. And I'm not trying, maybe talking

down about it a little bit like I have been will

kind of keep the bar kind of low for my expectations

for the game, but my fear with Origins is that

it'll just, especially if it sells really well,

my fear is that it'll just be like this thing

where, no, anybody can make these games. And

clearly that is not the case. Because there wasn't

a good Batman game until Rocksteady got a hold

of it. Correct. And that's my fear is that they'll

just be like, oh, look, we can just keep pumping

these games out. And that's just that's always

been my fear. And then, of course, you know,

you pile on and you end up with a different voice

actor for Batman. It's not Kevin Conroy anymore

for some stupid reason. It's going to turn into

Call of Duty. What's wrong with Call of Duty?

Okay, it's gonna turn into what I don't know

No, he has I was I was actually hesitant to say

it was gonna become like a they're gonna flip

back and forth between you know Rock City doing

one and Warner Brothers Montreal doing one and

they're gonna try and annualize it but Rock City

is working on some Justice League game and that's

why Warner Brothers went ahead and gave this

to their other studio to make So hopefully the

game we all will want will be The Rock City game

that's the Justice League game Hopefully it's

multiplayer should be with a property like that.

Maybe but you know Lego Marvel superheroes wasn't

also on Friday Arkham origins black gate is hitting

the 3ds in the Vita I am Almost more interested

in black gate than I am in Origins because playing

on your Vita. Oh, I do like playing on my Vita,

but also I'm really intrigued by the team Because

the team that's making black gate is a It's all

ex retro employees. Yeah, that's right. That's

why I was ooh That's why I was interesting to

me and it's a metroidvania style game and I was

starting to daydream until you said that now

I'm interested Yeah, so that's why I'm intrigued

in the game. I guess what most of the footage

that has come out has all been from the introductory

level. And I guess the introductory level, very,

very narrow. And then once you get out of the

intro level, the whole thing opens up into like

that big Symphony of the Night style hugeness

that the Symphony of the Nighthead. And I guess

that's kind of like the style of game it is,

is it's you backtrack through the prison. It's

I mean, it's literally a side scrolling version

of pretty much Arkham, the first game where you

got to backtrack and go through all there is

to find your way and do the puzzles and stuff

like that. And it just sounds really cool. I

think what I'll do is throw it on my Black Friday

list. Yeah, I think that's what I'm gonna do

also with that one But origins I'll pick up on

Friday and the other reason I want to pick up

origins is because it's gonna be Three weeks

until the PlayStation 4 hits three weeks people

three weeks And I just think for some reason

that will be like kind of a fitting swan song

For the generation because everything after origins

is getting a ps4 release And I really do expect

to see Arkham Origins on the next -gen stuff

before next year. Well, especially since they

just announced the Injustice Gold Edition is

going to be on PS4. I mean, if Injustice is going

to get an EPS4 release, it would seem silly to

not get an Arkham. Origins release. And I also

just throw on this out there too just in case

it happens to pan out and then I can feel like

a profit. But I do expect Tomb Raider to get

a next -gen release as well. Maybe try and squeak

a little more money out of that game before the

second one comes out. Because it did get a PC

release, so everyone can get the Tress effects

and see Lara Croft's really good -looking hair.

Seriously, yeah, no, I'm serious. That's what

it's called. It's a it's an AMD Physics engine

for hair. It's called tres effects Tresa may

ooh la la Yep, I'm sure that's what they were

thinking to October 29th the following Tuesday

sees battlefield for WWE 2k14 yeah has anybody

okay probably none of neither of you guys has

anybody else you know viewers i who can't respond

to me seeing the trailers for this thing because

the trailers I'm sorry, the graphics look like

dog shit for that game. Wait, Battlefield or?

No, Battlefield 4 looks gorgeous. Okay, good.

I was like, wait a minute, whoa, what are you

talking about? No, the 2K14 WWE game, and I picked

up, because I picked up 13, which I've barely

played, but it's a pretty looking game, but the

new one just... doesn't I don't know graphically

if that was a next gen title I'd be upset but

thankfully it's not so hopefully I'll get a decent

wrestling game for the next gen system next year

but it just doesn't look nearly as good as the

I don't know if it has something to do with them

being a 2k now and not at THQ anymore. And I

don't know. I'm a little iffy on that. And I've

probably spent way more time talking about that

than either of you care to. So yeah. So has anybody

is the Battlefield 4 open beta? Is that on both

PS3 and 360 or just 360? It's on both. I am tempted

to download the beta just so we can have something

to actually talk about on next week's episode.

I've meant to, but I just... Either of you would

be willing to do that. I'm too lazy. I could

do it. I gotta probably clear off hard drive

space in order to do it. Hey, you can delete

all the games of mine you can no longer play.

I've already done that and still don't even have

enough to, you know, download a 12 -gig game.

Wow. The other big game release next week is

Assassin's Creed 4. It's finally here, everybody.

You know another calendar year. I'm sorry. Pirates!

This is how you know another calendar year has

gone by. So also read an article, a review that

was leaked for that one too, which very interesting

things. They say it is the most complete Assassin's

Creed game since the the Ezio trilogy. It is

the most complete single. Assassin's Game to

date. It doesn't feel quite as good as the three

Ezio games together, but it's pretty darn close

and they said it's a lot tighter game than Assassin's

3 is. Well, that wouldn't be hard considering

that it was a sloppy bitch. Yeah. But the things

that I'm hearing are very, very promising. I

think they... They said the cities and the tombs

that you come across in the Caribbean islands.

There's just so varied and Way more vertical

than everything in Assassin's 3 Well, that's

not hard considering Assassin's Creed was in

Boston. Yes So it sounds like it's gonna scratch

that itch that Assassin's 3 didn't And then it's

going to also deliver a pirate experience, second

to none, which I know a lot of people, Sean,

are mostly, you know, very interested in it for

the pirating experience. I'm interested in it

too. Although I'm questioning what other pirate

experience are they comparing it to? Are they

comparing it to Quest for Booty? Because I don't

know if you can beat that game. Or Age of Booty.

Is it Age of Booty? It's Age of Booty. Yeah.

I don't know if you can compare it to that game.

Well, Sid Meier's Pirates. I still don't know

why they haven't taken that game to Asia, you

know, where ninjas are who are already assassins.

I just I don't care about pirates, but maybe

I'll play this eventually while you all are playing

your PS4 and the game is $15 because it's cheap

and everybody traded it in. Well, you could probably

pick it up for cheap on Black Friday. I'll be

like $25. By the way. By the way, GameStop Black

Friday ad already leaked and Battlefield 4 is

going to be 30 bucks. Keep that in mind, people.

Yeah, everyone. And was it modern? Ghost is going

to be 50. And if you think about it, you could

buy the PS3 version of Battlefield 4 for 30 bucks

and then spend the 10 bucks and upgrade it to

the PS4 version. So it's like getting the PS4

version for 20 dollars off. And you get a digital

copy. So you're ready to go. Oh, yeah. Wow, I

just hated everything that I just sounded like

there. So stop talking already. All right. I

don't know how to. We're going to move on to

some listener feedback. We've got the question

last week was what game or action in a game has

made you feel like a horrible human being? I'm

excited. Let's see. Well, first, let's get this

out of the way real quick. Play just lament.

Said that he loves the Legos get Lego games and

not having an online co -op was never a thing

thing for him So he does not have friends. I'm

sorry. That was terribly No, he probably has

he probably has he probably has real friends

Yeah, yeah really meant to say he probably has

real friends. Well that that's why The what's

that's where I responded to him with the fact

that you know We were looking to online co -op

because we don't live next to each other Yeah,

I can't go over to each other's houses, and then

I asked him if he played it split -screen For

the local co -op so you can see the split split

screen mechanic, but I didn't get an answer back

from him So maybe he can follow up with us. I

apologize. I don't I like you. I didn't mean

that What what a dick move I know right people

are finally paying attention to us, and you're

just gonna scare them all away. I know right

okay Joe Reed story, let's see born standing

up says Not sure what game it was, but the Modern

Warfare game where you mowed down all those people

at the shopping mall. That was one time I literally

walked away from my television. I just didn't

see the point to it besides trying to be edgy.

Shopping mall? I thought it was the airport.

It was Modern Warfare 2 and it was the opening

level in the airport, which I advised him that

that entire thing was made skippable so you didn't

have to do it, which made it even more unnecessary.

On top of that you didn't have to fire a single

shot if you didn't want to again making it more

unnecessary for that level to be there Do you

guys have any thoughts on that is it said that

I Kind of actually enjoyed that level. Did you

mow people down? Oh, I fucking killed everybody

that was in my path Okay, super film fan follows

up with yes, that's where I completely That's

where I pretty much checked out a modern warfare

single -player campaign. It screamed quote We

were trying to be we are trying to be edgy and

of course I responded to him with That the fact

that I have never played a Call of Duty single

-player campaign Although I do own, you know

modern warfare one two and three and have pre

-ordered ghosts And I said that I wish they would

just add a paintball setting to multiplayer matches

Paintball mode. Come on. Okay on in my defense

of just looking like a complete sick bastard

there. The first time I played that game through,

I didn't shoot anybody except for the cops. The

second time through, I mowed over everybody because

I knew no matter what, it wasn't going to make

any difference on the impact of the level. And

that's right. I played the game through twice.

OK, 100 percent of that game. So, you know, honestly,

there's not much a difference between mowing

people down in that airport, pretending to be

a terrorist, then there is taking the car in

Grand Theft Auto and deciding to go down the

sidewalk, nailing as many people as you can.

There's really not much difference. We we threw

a fit about mowing people down in the street

20 years ago when Grand Theft Auto first came

out or not grand not 20 years ago, but for Carmageddon

that one Okay, I think it's slightly different

I think the outrage or or the controversy around

that scene what and I don't believe this happens

in Grand Theft Auto because I've gotten my ass

kicked more than once by a civilian in that game

Me too. I I feel like in that in that scene in

modern warfare in that opening They everyone

that you are shooting at is defenseless. They

will not try to attack you. You are so overpowering

in that scene until the cops show up. And I think

that that's where it is, is that they're so overpowering,

whereas in and the cops don't show up like everything

in that game is a trigger and the cops don't

show up until you get outside the airport after

you've already mowed down most of the people.

That's when they show up. It's not like if you

wait inside the airport, the cops are going to

come sooner. Whereas in a game like Grand Theft

Auto, where you drive down the street and you

hit a lamppost, if you can't pull away fast enough,

someone's going to come up and try and pull you

out of the car and beat the crap out of you.

Or you're going to run over so many people that

you're going to end up with three stars and the

cops are going to come after you. We even noticed

this when we were playing Grand Theft Auto over

at our friend Andy's house when Dan and I first

saw GTA V, which I don't know if Dan agrees with

me, but I thought that the... The police were

cranked up to 11 in this game, even like at one

star. I agree. Over like past Grand Theft Auto

games, where it's almost they're punishing you.

Almost it's also a point where they're punishing

you for for going crazy or playing Grand Theft

Auto. Well, there's playing Grand Theft Auto

the way that it used to be played, and then there's

playing Grand Theft Auto the way that they think

it should be played now. You know what I'm saying?

There was that there was that split where the

Grand Theft Auto we all know and love became

Saints Row. And then they took Grand Theft Auto

and made it into something completely different.

And now I think they just punish you for wanting

to play the game that you want to play. I don't

have a problem with that because I like the new

game. No, I like the new game, too. I'm just

saying that I feel like that's the difference

between mowing people down in a parking lot or

mowing people down in a linear structured game

versus Driving over a bunch of pedestrians that

can defend themselves if need be yeah, and I

agree with you entirely I just threw that out

there as a talking point and it worked out. I

think so Connor Murphy this brings the the modern

warfare stuff to a closure Connor Murphy says

that moment you speak of was the lowest was one

of the lowest moments in video game history for

me though I thought it was an airport it was

senseless did nothing for this story and just

and just gave video game haters ammunition to

talk about how violent video games are um i don't

i i agree with they gave them ammunition but

i don't really think they need ammunition all

they need is someone to shoot up some building

somewhere and they'll have enough ammunition

to talk about how bad video games are um and

then on a lighter note Kind of Murphy replies

again and says sometimes those social those social

games like words with friends Make me feel like

a bad person because I feel the need to do my

turn in the right amount of time I feel bad if

I forget and the other person is left waiting

So that was a nice whistle liven things up there

Super film fan 98 says trying to think if think

of a game Trying to think if a game ever made

me feel like a bad person don't think it's Don't

think it's for the same reason you are saying

but World of Warcraft made me feel like a bad

person due to the time I spent playing it you

get sucked in so deep you begin to ignore the

real people around you I think that's just a

bad effect a game has had on you I think we're

just talking about how making it a game making

you feel bad not a game ruining your life And

I'm going to say I'm not saying that to him because

I kind of that tends to happen with like I know

I know like a good number of people that have

fallen into the World of Warcraft hole and it

became like a thing that they had to do. So but

yeah, I I don't think I don't think you missed

what we were talking about, but that is a good

that is something we could possibly talk about

on a future episode. Don't know if any game camp

sorry King of Kong says don't know if any game

has ever made me feel like a bad person if anything

It makes me feel like a good person knowing I

can separate video games from reality like that

answer yeah, but You can't deny that and some

people bring this up later You can't deny that

the walking dead didn't make you feel like crap

Even though you knew it wasn't still afraid to

play that somebody yelled at me for not playing

it Why is it was it you? Was it you Mike that

were over when I did the last chapter of that

game or was it you Joe that was over? I haven't

seen past I'm in the middle of episode two Okay,

then it Mike were you here when I finished chapter

five? No, I was not there some maybe was Andy

Because I was I was playing the game and I got

to the end and I don't really want it Joe Are

you ever gonna finish the game? Yes, I don't

want to spoil this Walking that is too good to

spoil no matter how much time there is a decision

at the end of the game and I got I didn't think

it was a big deal and both My wife and whoever

was there with me when we were playing the game

We're like, how could you make that decision?

And I just looked at him like I had no idea like

that It was a bad decision and they both kind

of looked down on me and I was like I guess that

was kind of a shitty thing to do but I Thought

from the way I was playing the game. I thought

it was fine Now I'm curious as to which one you

made because that scene even made me I was like,

oh my I don't know which one to do and I'm not

even like a dad So we could discuss about this

in private later, okay But I I it's one of those

things it's I Don't know games don't make me

feel bad but That well, okay, Brad Kellogg says

The easy go -to would be Grand Theft Auto I would

say what makes me feel bad about myself playing

Grand Theft Auto is how much I don't feel bad

about myself playing It's like I have accepted

killing random people on the street with a bazooka

as the norm See our earlier comments fantastic

part of that I goes back to one of the earlier

comments where I'm able to separate reality from

fiction and the moments that really make me feel

bad are when. I forget for a moment that it's

just fiction and it becomes a real person doing

this to another person you just kind of go there

for a second you go oh this game really is dirty

and horrible yeah I. Like, I agree with what

he's saying about Grand Theft Auto. Like, I do,

every once in a while, I mean, come on, Joe,

you and I go around robbing convenience stores.

I'm never gonna rob a convenience store. Not

much, much less rob a convenience store while

flying a helicopter. I know. I mean... When are

we ever gonna get that opportunity? And so, like,

I'm fine. Like, I totally get the whole thing

about, you know, you separate games, but some

games, like we were just talking about with The

Walking Dead, at least for me, I got sucked in

so deep into making those decisions and... The

decisions in Walking Dead aren't black and white.

Almost all of them are gray. Like, there is no

right or wrong answer for anything. And it's

almost like you, when you're in that moment,

you're making those decisions. And it's, you're

making them. Yeah, and I kind of got lost in

it. Yeah, like I knew that I was still sitting

on my couch playing it and everything, but it's

kind of like, I was kind of like trying to actually

put myself in that situation. Like, what? What

I do if I was in this situation like and that's

the one game that I noticed no matter what decision

you make or no matter How good you feel about

what you've done? They find a way to fucking

smack you back down as quickly as possible and

just be like no Do not feel good about what you

just did because now this is happening, right?

And it's And that was this beautiful thing about

it's the the epitome. Damned if you do, damned

if you don't. That is in the entire game. And

that is great. And it's fantastic. Let's see.

Jedi disaster. I swear this is a diaster before,

but now it says Jedi disaster. Knights of the

Old Republic would sometimes make me feel like

a bad person, like one of my characters died

or if I was a little too easily swayed playing

playing fighting. for the dark side I Never played

nights of the older publics. I can't speak to

ah crap They just made me think of something

there is a something in games that made me feel

bad We'll get there Superfilm fan 98 chimes in

again. He was actually the first person to respond

He chimed in the Walking Dead. The Walking Dead

game was one that made me feel like a bad person.

You would get attached to some of these characters

that losing them would have a massive emotional

impact. A lot of those complex choices made the

game an amazing experience. But it did make you

question who you were as an as a person. And

I said, and I said, and that is why the Walking

Dead was off the coast game of the year for 2012.

And the King of Kong wraps everything up with,

yeah. That game didn't make me feel like a bad

person, but it did make me an emotional wreck.

So that is the listener feedback. So, Danner,

what game made you feel like a bad person? Mass

Effect. Can you talk about it without spoiling

it? Mass Effect 2. I worked very, very hard on...

developing a relationship with Tali throughout

the game to the point where we became romantically

involved. And I then after spending all the game

trying to get to know her and become romantically

involved with her, I went down to the basement

and slept with Jax. And I felt terrible about

that. So that is the worst I've ever felt playing

a game. Making love to a fictional character

only to cheat on said fictional character That's

there you go that is the worst that is congratulations.

That is the worst I have ever felt in a game

Hi, I mean plenty of games have made me feel

afraid, but that's not that's just me being afraid

and you know a pansy um I asked of pansy I think

To the walking dead is just overshadowing everything

when it comes to this question for me About a

game that's made me feel bad. I do think Grand

Theft Auto might be one of those games For me

that I kind of feel alone Do you regret making

any of the decisions that you've made in? Walking

dead like did you ever make the decision that

you had to make because you felt you had to make

it that way But then the way that the story played

out And not in the way of like, oh, I wish I

could have seen the story that way, but in an

emotional, oh, I made the wrong decision kind

of way. I honestly, I played that game once,

and I'm very proud of myself for playing through

that game once. And I did try playing again when

I got it on the Vita, but I couldn't do it. I

made it through the first episode. At the time

when I was playing it, I felt like those choices

all mattered. I'm trying to think of one choice

that you make that actually carries through to

the end of the game, because once you start playing

it and you've beaten it, you can see what choices

actually mattered and which ones didn't. I think

early on, one of the biggest ones, I think, and

I'm not entirely sure how it plays out or what

kind of effect it has on certain things later

or how stuff branches out from there, is when

you have to divvy up the food. in the walking

dead i've done that in episode two so far um

i think that's the only time that you do it but

for some reason that that was just kind of especially

after the first episode like the first thing

you do when you get in the second episode is

um uh you divvy up the food and i think 400 days

the dlc for it also did some uh interesting things

with um choice here and there um I don't know.

I can't. I don't know if I can really answer

your question all that well, because it's like

like Danner said, it's like even if you make

the right because there is no right or wrong

choice in The Walking Dead. So the minute you

make a choice and you move on to the next thing,

something else is going wrong. And it's like,

OK, what's the best of this situation? Like you

make the choice out of what you think is going

to be the best way to get out of this right or

wrong. You're going to get out of it. But is

it going to be the result that you want? Like.

I don't know that I, and I apologize. It's been

a year, almost a year since I've played it. So

I can't really, I don't know. I just, I just

remember feeling, I just remember getting really

wrapped up into it, wrapped up into it. And the

choices I was making, I honestly felt like they

mattered. And to a certain extent, if I played

it long enough in one session, I felt like I

was seeing, I was getting an idea of what it

might be like if I was in that situation. Which

is one of the reasons why I was so bummed when

I waited a day to play to go for episode four

to episode five With that game I had to do the

episodes in one sitting and then to walk away

Just because I was like I needed that break.

I Think I did three and four and one sitting

And so I was like I was just like I was in it.

I was in I was like invested in that I was just

I was going I was going with it going with it

and you know just that that one day break broke

it I got it back like shortly after I started

playing the fifth episode, but I Don't know Joe

what what has has a game ever made you feel like

a bad person I think the the worst I've felt

in recent memory enough to cause me to ask this

question are stopping on a koopa Listeners no

however i have been playing mario brothers with

my son watching over my shoulder on the three

s and he you know i i'm not worried about him

jumping on coupas and like the violence but i'm

thinking about it because i remember back in

the eighties there were moms concerned about

the violence of mario jumping on the coupas and

had their children were allowed to come over

to my house to play the game because. They were

concerned about the violence, and so I'm just

sitting here giggling with my two -year -old

jumping on Koopas, hee hee hee hee. What are

you gonna do, go stomp on a turtle in the driveway?

I know, right? When are you ever gonna get a

chance to jump on anybody's head? Can you jump

that high? If you can, that's a good problem

to have. But where I've most recently felt the

dirtiest is, of course, in Grand Theft Auto V,

and it's because at... every opportunity I have

to first play Grand Theft Auto the game. One

of the earliest things I do is I go find the

hooker, I sleep with the hooker, and then I kill

the hooker and get my money back. I don't know

why it's something that I feel like I have to

do, but I always feel awful doing it. It's one

of those moments where I not really forget that

they're a digital character, but where my mind

goes there and... Sorry, is that this revenge

fantasy against hookers? This is a terrible thing.

Do you hate women? My mother was a hooker. I

can't remember my childhood. No, not really.

I remember the first time I did it in Grand Theft

Auto V. I ended up pistol whipping you in the

head and killing you and then running over the

hooker. That's right. We were out in the middle

of the desert and she got out of the car. Well,

yeah, you Joe came running Joe spawned into my

game I had already gotten a hooker and took her

out in the middle of the desert and I was doing

my thing and I Spawned like 20 feet away. So

I go up and start looking he goes up and he's

like looking in the car Well stuff's going on

and then the girl gets out of the car and I'm

like, okay Joe Go kill her and get my money back

and he goes like chasing after but he can't catch

her and I get out of the car To go chase her

and a pistol whipping Joe in the head and killing

him And then I just run her over with my car.

Um, I I would like to note that you do not get

all of your money back like you have in previous

Grand Theft Auto games. She'd spend it before

you kill her? I don't know, or she's storing

it somewhere and we can't find it. I feel like...

I'd check all of her pockets if I were you. Grand

Theft Auto, when Grand Theft Auto went serious

with Grand Theft Auto 4, because I didn't play

San Andreas, so I don't know if it went serious

with San Andreas or if it went serious with Grand

Theft Auto 4. but I feel like when Grand Theft

Auto went serious it it became a game more like

what can I do in this game that I can actually

do in real life like Joe you were laughing at

me when I actually pulled into a parking spot

to go into the convenience store or like stopping

at the stoplights or just driving with traffic

and stuff like that and of course when Joe and

I get together then it's just you know sheer

chaos and driving up mountains with Mustangs

and Crazy stuff, but what I'm playing by myself

is like, I don't want to I don't want to deal

with the cops I don't want to do something that's

gonna get the cops to like piss me off So I'm

like, you know, you know obeying the law and

stuff like that until the game like makes me

break the law or something like that but I I

feel like that wasn't an issue and I was playing

like Grand Theft Auto 3 or Vice City and I think

it's because they were they weren't as Real or

and they also had more of a style to them then

like four and five do so I Do feel guilty running

over pedestrians in in GTA 5. I feel bad when

I do something unintentionally Yes, yes Because

it's like I'm okay doing it on purpose Because

do that those little NPCs they don't take apologies

like I Got too close to these this hot dog vendor

on the movie lot and I climbed inside the little

food truck and then I left and when I left I

just apparently pissed them off and they started

boxing me and I'm sorry you don't box Michael

in the face and not get a gun in your mouth and

so I pulled out the gun and then that was all

it took you know because they instigated the

fight but then the cops were on me and the the

guards of the movie lot but so I had to kill

everybody in the area and I kind of like I wish

there was an apologize button like dude I didn't

mean to bump into you Whoa, just throwing your

arms up in the air. Whoa. This coming from the

guy in payday two that just started shooting

tellers for no reason. I. That was awesome. I

totally would need to. I got to find I got to

see if that game is dirt cheap yet. It's not.

I. My one of the things I heard about you could

do in Grand Theft Auto 5 and I actually did it

in my game and it was kind of satisfying in its

own way because one of the things I do like about

video games is that you and I'm sure we'll revisit

this once you finish your violence and video

game stuff I I feel like We get that you get

to act out revenge fantasies to a certain point

and Or or you at least you get to do what you

would want to do in the in real life like case

in point There's these little side quests, and

I may have shared this story already, but there's

these little side quests in Grand Theft Auto

V where you see someone get their purse stolen.

And you can chase down the guy that stole the

purse and you can take the purse from him. Or

you can return the purse to the person that was

mugged in the hopes that maybe they'll give you

a reward. And I did that once because it was

just... driving around and I saw it happening.

So I got out of my car and I chased the guy.

Actually, I didn't get out of my car. The guy

ended up running away and I just ended up running

over the guy, grabbed the purse, took it back

to the lady and I gave it back to her and she

was like, thanks. And she just turned around

and started walking away. And I was like, oh,

no, that's not how this is going to go. I'm sorry.

And I whipped out my gun. I shot her in the back

and I went and got her purse. And I was just

like you. I was like, I'm mad because you're

being ungrateful. So. And sometimes when people

are ungrateful, you know, you wish that you could

either like slap them in the face or punch them

in the face. Or maybe if you carry a gun, you

wish you could shoot them in the face. But I

don't carry a gun. So. All right. Danner, did

you want to plug your seventh gen console awards?

But of course, we're still taking votes on the

seventh gen console awards. We have a. Pretty

good turnout so far, but would always like to

see more before we release the Results and do

the the episode So keep keep voting. You can

find all the information on the forums on www

.geecastradio .com and Yeah, happy voting. Yep.

You guys have two weeks to get your votes in

and as I've been saying to everybody on actually

maybe only one week to get one week to get your

vote in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got one week

to get your vote in. And what I've actually been

advising some people is you should if you really

want to, you know, do the swing votes, just come

up with a new name and submit the same list.

Pad the numbers. Really? Yeah. That's what you've

been telling people. Yep. It hasn't been working,

so don't worry about it. Alright, Joe, anything

you want to shout out to the listeners? Not today.

Alright, we do have a question. Although I can't

remember what it was. Daner, what was it? You

forgot it too, didn't you? You're going to make

me remember? Oh, I know what it was. I remember

what it was too. Okay, go ahead. The question

is, with Watch Dogs being delayed for polishing

and getting the game ready, what games have you

wished in the past that have been released, what

games do you wish would have been pushed back

and polished more before they were released?

I was going to say, and don't say aliens, colonel

Marines. Duke Nukem. Yeah, could that have been

pushed back more? All right. So this has been

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