Nintendo Hardware Preferences and Grand Theft Auto Online Launch Issues

Thanks. My name is Michael Powers. This is Off

the Cuff episode 30. Never really thought we'd

make it this far. Joining me. Way to be optimistic.

Hey, we've only ever made it to 25, like between

20 and 25 episodes and then we've quit. Yeah,

but I've, this is, I'm carrying you all with

my spirit and ingenuity. Yeah. Really engine

I can I can smell the bullshit already. Yeah

Not really gonna go go there with that one. That

is Sean Z Brown everybody who is still alive

Thank you. We haven't reached a thousand followers

yet. So yeah, the other voice you've heard already

is Art Danner Hi, and Joe Reed was chuckling

in the background. Hello so we have Some listener

feedback. I love feedback. Yeah. I like any kind

of feeding. I tried to stay out of the the comment

thread for as long as possible so that our numbers

wouldn't over inflate the number of comments

and stayed out as long as I could. But then it

kind of blew up and the people started talking

amongst each other, which was awesome to see.

because up until this last week everyone was

kind of just posting their thoughts and then

moving on to the next thing instead of having

conversations with each other our question from

episode 29 was what game could Nintendo make

that would get you to buy a Wii? unfortunately

nobody really offered up any games that they

could buy The first comment we actually got on

it was actually, sorry, back up here. Someone

found the comments about retards last week, actually

very funny. It was King of Kongs. And he said,

you know, he called the honor out for the, when

you call someone retarded to me, that means they

can't catch fire. Yeah, that was good. I gotta

admit that was amazing. He said he seriously

laughed his ass off at that joke, effing awesome.

Then he goes on to say, the only way I would

buy a Wii U would be if they made a version of

it that transformed into a PS4. Unfortunately,

we didn't get that Trojan horse that, you know,

was really kind of hoping that the Wii U was.

So. Yeah, more like a dead horse and they're

beating it. I think it's the Wii U with the go

-bot processor. Yeah. I don't know. Like everyone

was just kind of like down on Nintendo saying

that it hasn't been good since, you know, the

Super Nintendo or the N64. We did have Plato's

lament say that he was a fan of the he was still

a fan of Nintendo when the GameCube was out,

which I think we've all. We've all stated that,

you know, we actually like the GameCube as well.

Yeah. Lovely GameCube. I have no problems with

GameCube. But I think that was the last time

it was really great. Yeah, and but nobody called

out like any any one particular game. A resounding

thing I think people kind of would like for the

Wii U is, well, I brought up the idea of being

able to shoot space pirates. And then Plato's

lament followed up with effing up space pirates

that will make him buy a Wii U. My thing is,

and I mentioned it on the comment thread, is

I think it's really cute that Nintendo has this

year of the Luigi thing going on, but I'd much

rather see the year of Samus Aran. Yep. Yeah,

year of the sidekick. The year of coming in second

place. Can't even do that right? Oh, they're

gonna. Yeah, they're gonna blow that by at least

one position Super film fan 98 says that he hopes

that the ps4 the Xbox one will cause a another

price drop for the Wii U So he either pick up

a new one or one that was used Yeah, we could

we all hope that I I do because I can't I can't

sell a repurchase of it to my wife at the moment

and As Daner pointed out on the forums, Pikmin

3 and the Wonderful 101, those are both games

that I would actually like to play as well. I

haven't heard of the Wonderful 101. Oh, God,

it's so beautiful. Think Pikmin was superheroes

instead of Pikmin. It looks pretty cool. I will

admit, it looks like a very pretty game, very

colorful. It's pretty and it's just fun to play

and the controls are very intuitive and it's

a blast. I like that. I'm only interested in

one superhero game coming up, and that's going

to be Lego Marvel. Oh, yeah. Plato's lament goes

on. He says, I'd purchase a Wii U if it produced

games that interest me, although he doesn't really

say what those games would be, or at least had

games worth mentioning based on what I've seen.

They built that console out of a pile of old,

tired garbage, and they continue to mask their

lack of innovation with gimmicks. Think the Wii

U is kind of it When we did the console, you

know, we're still pulling for the got the consoles

the seventh -gen console awards and I Put the

Wii U in there as well because it's basically

the same hardware Yeah, I I feel like the Wii

U is kind of like the GameCube of this generation

Where it's the same hardware as what's available

everywhere else, but I think Nintendo actually

produced I still think Nintendo produced better

hardware With with the Wii U then then the Xbox

360 the problem is they don't have the Developer

support that the 360 or the PlayStation has So

you don't get to see that yeah, no no one's gonna

risk making a game for that system when only

How many people are like even if everyone that

owned a Wii you bought it your exposure to what

a million? Yeah, you're not gonna get that you're

not gonna get that Wii U version of Resident

Evil 4 that was you know amazing Like it was

on the GameCube. I thought the Wii U was a neat

little machine. It has exactly what I think it

is, though. That's what I thought about the Wii,

too. Well, it's cute. It's a cute little thing.

It's fun. I'm not. I'm sure the Wii U is fun

to play. But it's I was never think of Wii as

gaming systems. And the thing is, I was really

excited about the Wii until Let's see. I could

tell you exactly when I started becoming disappointed

with the we and it was when I was with Joe the

night that we came out. And I was super excited

to play Red Steel and all four of us got in a

split screen mode and we played it for literally

three minutes and it was so shitty and I was

just like, no, I'm done. That's it. Look, I just

bought one of these and I'm already incredibly

disappointed with it So best game that came best

game for that system came in the box. Oh, yep.

Yeah I had such high hopes for that system with

first -person shooters. I still think that control

setup was way incredible with Basically mouse

aiming using the cursor and and then the movement

Metroid Prime, it's all because this is accurate

as mouse aiming is still. It was way better than

anything we ever had on console. I think. No,

no, I. I don't know if I got really good. Maybe

if I used we we controllers for the last 10 years,

maybe I got really good at the Metroid game.

Metroid just never felt good to me. I kept wanting

to play it with a controller. It's Metroid could

you could you plug a gamepad into that but no

no No, it wouldn't have really worked. They were

doing things with level design With the new freedom

of being able to point anywhere on the screen

and not needing to hold a joystick to maintain

anything above The horizon line. I mean, okay.

Yeah, this is hard to explain with Console shooters

you're limited on a design sense where you can

place villains on the screen because if you pull

back on the joystick to look up, you know, like

airplane controls to move your cursor up and

need to do a different function on the left joystick,

it will move or pull that reticle away so you

can't actually aim like that at the same time.

And the Wii U, I'm sorry, the Wii allowed you

to... be looking one direction or walking one

direction while aiming kind of where you were

on a widescreen. And so they were putting enemies

where you couldn't normally control your character

to shoot them with a dual stick joy controller.

Like, don't think it would have worked. I guess

in all fairness, I never played Metroid Prime

3, but I did play Metroid Prime on the Wii. And

that didn't feel right to me at all. No, that

did not feel right. Three, three was nice on

there. I still have my the the in the metal tin,

the trilogy set. I still have that. Worth a bloody

fortune if that's shrink wrapped. Nope, it's

not. It's the one game he has that's not. That

one wasn't shrink wrapped and I sold it for 70.

I still wouldn't let it go for that. When I bought

it for 10. Yeah, OK. What price would it be to

the point where you couldn't hold on to it? Don't

know I have a hard time like selling my games

because they've got some kind of sentimental

value to them to me Connor Murphy says I own

a Wii U well my brother owns it, but I find it

enjoyable Is it anything to the level of the

PlayStation 4 or Xbox one? No, but it doesn't

try doesn't try to be I'm happy that Nintendo

knows what it's what it is and stays true to

its identity Some may see that as being static.

I see that as being loyal to their fans Then

of course there was a small little argument going

on between him and another guy walking dread

I'm calling him out for being a Nintendo fanboy

and Connor replied saying he was tired of being

called a fanboy just because I just because he

doesn't hate something It's like the term liberal.

I don't know what it when it became a bad word

to call someone a fanboy or a liberal, but it

doesn't But it happened quick and in the dead

of the night, whatever. I don't care. I enjoy

the system and I'm not ashamed I like the Wii

U and I had it man. Yeah I totally get what he's

saying that they're not trying to paint, you

know pander to the masses and that's totally

cool Just being with her. The problem is is we're

in a time in games when if a game doesn't sell

five to 10 million copies, it's considered a

failure. But it's not that it's. Nintendo doesn't

have like I OK, I like Nintendo games, but the

problem is I can't just have a Nintendo system

because they're not going to get you know. That's

what I'm saying is that if they in order for

that for Nintendo to be competitive, they would

have to make. Basically a PlayStation 4 or an

Xbox one. They would have to turn themselves

into something they're completely not. I don't

even think that. I don't think that's it. It's

that they've they whittled away their developer

support. The third party support is just gone

and it's been gone for a very long time. And

the third party support that they have, they

shouldn't want. Yes. What were they thinking?

Turning into shovelware. I think Nintendo could

release a system that was as powerful as. the

other systems and had an online component like

the other systems, but still do what they want

to do with motion controls or with gimmicky weird

games and with their. Oh, they will. But in five

years. Well, it's too late now. They've they've

lost two generations of hardcore gamers to that.

I mean, I don't know why they decided to go that

direction. And this is this is my measure for

success on a Nintendo console. If they release

a console. And the other two systems release

their consoles, and the next Call of Duty comes

out on all three systems at the same time. Nintendo

will have made it. They'll be fine again. But

every time they shoot themselves in the foot

and make a port of a contemporary game not possible,

they're never gonna have the support that they

used to. Well, they got Black Ops 2 at the Wii

U launch, and it did nothing. Was it the same?

Yeah. It's the same. Well, no, no by that weight

weight now is already on the other games Yeah,

that still came out after the other versions

of what is the Wii U came out after? Well, that's

what I'm saying is that people play black ops

2 already had it They're not gonna buy it a second

time, but it's not and there would be buying

a worse version I just don't think I I think

that the the problem is everyone's friends and

their friends and everybody's on like the playstation

like Nintendo it's you can't I don't know how

they get them back. Well, you do it by releasing

a system at launch with the other companies at

the same time, and it's as powerful so that your

third -party developers actually feel like putting

the games out on the system at the same time,

and then you do something really innovative that

wins customers back from even considering a Microsoft

or a Sony product to begin with so that there's

an install base. But okay, now in theory, let's

just, if the Wii U Had come is will come out

this fall and it had hardware on the same, you

know hard hardware being the same thing You were

burned on the Wii. I think I'm not sure but would

you would you really go and buy a Wii U over

like a PlayStation 4 or an Xbox one? Yes, because

I don't care a lick about Microsoft's or Sony's

first -party games See, but what? Okay, would

you just a Wii U? Okay Knowing that none of your

friends were gonna have it and you'd be playing

all multiplayer games with no one you knew Well,

I think that if there was something worthwhile

on a Nintendo system again And yeah some kind

of gimmick that would entice you three to maybe

buy it probably buy it eventually buy it Yeah,

I would but you know, I wouldn't buy it now as

opposed to a ps4 no because Honestly out of the

three of us online gaming is the least important

to me I could do without it and I wouldn't exactly

miss much um because I just like talk to you

guys on the internet and phone and hang out with

you like normal people do usually I well except

for you Sean because you're in freaking New York

but I am sorry I was born in a different state

I know sorry so that's my thing well But like,

you know, I don't think that we use a bad system.

When I bought it, it was just, I bought it when

Nintendo was like, we promised to have these

games available by this time and they missed

every single one of them and their excuse, their

public excuse was, we didn't know making HD games

was going to be this hard. It's really hard,

guys. The polygons, they're killing me. That

just, to me, that just makes it even, it makes

it sound like they exist in a vacuum. by themselves

and they don't pay attention to what other companies

are doing whether that's like true or not i don't

know but like that just that comment is just

crazy because i remember at the beginning of

this generation everybody was complaining about

how hard it was to make hd games and now you

know eight years later some people still complain

about how hard it is to make hd games and stuff

happens but So yeah, it was a nice round of comments

about the Nintendo stuff. I think, I mean, the

most common thing that I heard in here was that

people just want a Metroid game. And I think

Metroid might be the most hardcore property that

Nintendo could possibly have right now. And I

only think that because Metroid Prime was a first

-person shooter. And I think that's a big thing.

Yeah, I don't see you release it as a first -person

shooter I mean there could be some other genre

that it would work with and I'm not saying they

have to go back to side -scrolling but They tried

that with other M But that wasn't Nintendo so

yeah, and they still let it out the door And

I think because that went out the door and it

got such reviews It'll be a long time before

Nintendo lets anybody touch another one of their

properties like that I hope. And I don't think

they'll let Metroid out the door for a long time

until people have forgotten about other M. Yeah,

they tarnished the good... it was a really quick

tarnish of the goodwill that they had earned

from the Game Boy Advance games and the GameCube

games. I'd like to see another Star Fox. I think

we said that on the last episode. I think Star

Fox and Metroid are something that would... and

not... Not the Metroid, not the Star Fox, not

like Star Fox Adventures, like classic Star Star

Fox where you're in the Arwing. I think that

would get me to come up with reasons to buy Wii

U again. We're going to take a break and we will

be back on the other side of this to talk about,

well, probably their Grand Theft Auto 5 or we

will talk about games that we. or not games that

we hate, but the worst games that we've played.

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.com. Excuse us, listeners. Wow, we got it in

one take. Was off one take Danner All right,

we're back do you guys want to talk about GTA

or you want to talk about We could talk about

how we couldn't really get into it Because copies

of the game than they were anticipating and they

weren't expecting the yeah, they weren't prepared

for the servers You think after the first day

they would have been like, oh shit, we should

probably start upgrading the servers. Yeah, I

mean. I think if they probably were. OK, I for

me, I I'm kind of I was comparing this to SimCity.

I was thinking about Grand Theft Auto online

in in in terms of, you know, the SimCity that

launched back in March to Critical, you know

Yeah, and There isn't I'm not seeing as much

rage on Twitter about Grand Theft Auto online

as I was about SimCity and I think the reason

for that is the bit the obvious reason for that

is Grand Theft Auto has an offline component

that you can still play if the game doesn't work

Sorry, no what I was gonna say I haven't tried

it yet, but when I was loading up gt online i

saw a part where it said play solo and i'm wondering

if that works no matter what the servers are

doing i well i don't know i i i haven't checked

it though i tried um let's see i tried five times

to get on today and it on the fifth try i was

able to get in um now in my experience and this

is this is truth um SimCity had its problems

at launch with it being an always online game

and you know Selling more copies than they thought

they'd sell and all this other stupid whatever

you say in a PR when you screw up this badly

And I was able to play SimCity Day one at work

over a tethered internet connection. I didn't

have high -speed internet or anything like that

and Grand Theft Auto Online just wasn't Working

like it would it every once in a while like it

would go in and it would say we could not collect

connect to Rockstar cloud servers, would you

like to continue? Online without your character

blah blah blah blah blah without saves right

right so I'd say okay because I just want to

get in and play it And then it would go to this

like, you know, select whatever character, you

know, select your player slot. So I did that

and then it would go and the little thing would

spin and it says, we're sorry, we cannot connect

to the servers right now. Would you like to go

play the actual, you know, the story mode? Fine.

So then I just shut the game off and I would

come back like an hour later and I would either

get into the character creation thing and then

try to load the game and it would kick me back

out to the story mode or not. And then, I don't

know. About five, four thirty five o 'clock.

I tried it again for the fifth time and I got

in. The only problem is I set it up as a friend,

a friend game. Because I thought maybe if I just

set up as friends and people can like, you know,

Joe signed on, he could just jump into my game.

The problem is you set up as a friend thing,

it actually sits there when you do events, it

actually sits there and waits for people to populate

your game, which is kind of annoying. Like you

know it does that it does that anyways even if

you don't have a set up for friends, so if you

play well I haven't played solo yet, but I mean

I played an open thing where it wasn't just friends

it was just random people and There's actually

one thing I happen to jump into a room or into

a lobby where there was no one I think it was

like I Locked out and got in when the server

for having such issues, so no one just happened

to pop into my little world And there was one

mission I couldn't do because it needed at least

two players It was like it was in the introduction

missions where it's like introducing you to playing

these events versus other people I think okay,

and since my world happened to have no one else

it wouldn't let me do it I Am I'm interested

to try it out. I'm just kind of bummed. I wasn't

able to actually play any of it um Have you guys

had I mean Probably similar experiences I um,

I don't think mine was as bad as yours first,

but I've definitely got kicked out a couple times

You know, I have loaded in Up until when I tried

to get out at 730 last night. It was There are

errors and I didn't get to see anything. I take

that back. I got to Use your grandparents to

generate your character thing. That was kind

of interesting and neat and then After that,

it wouldn't find a game, couldn't find a host,

couldn't find a host. I got in right before the

show and they introduced street racing. I walked

inside the little blue circle and then was waiting

for other people. And it was 10 minutes of that

before nothing happened. And all right, it's

time to go record a podcast. So let's go. And

that was it. Yep. That's that's about my experience,

too. I actually was able to do that race. I want

it because I'm a badass. Yeah, that's been my

experience with grand theft with with GTA online

though It's just it and you get stuck in that

loop where it's like looking for people and just

stays there There's no like way to cancel or

skip it if you don't have anyone else there.

It's and I don't know if maybe Was it because

it was searching for something or because that

that race that you were in Joe You actually end

up just racing against the guy that drove you

there If there's no one else I raced against

him and like Three other people. Okay. Well,

I, I, I signed in as a friend's only invite lobby

thing. Um, so I raced against him and it was

just, it's, it's spun there. And then the menu

popped up after a while. Um, so I don't know,

maybe it takes a while to pop. I don't know how

fast the menus move because the whole thing just

seems kind of slow to me. And that could be because

they're having server issues. Um, I could hear

other people chatting like live people over that

intro cinematic. I think they were racing, but

I could hear them. talking into their headsets.

Hmm. My problem was when I was trying to connect

that just nothing seemed to happen with my system

at all. It was like I didn't even have the game

in there. I was about to say. I stand here being

an ass. I have nothing to add to this conversation.

Oh, Best Buy's deal of the days. Okay, I guess

we can move on if no one else has anything else

they want to say about GTA at all we can move

on Still loving it can't wait to play online.

Yes. I'm I'm very interested. I did notice one

thing I was playing yesterday and it would load

up fine I'd get into a rant, like a random world

with, you know, random people. And I had a buddy

who was playing and he wasn't in my world. So

I'm like, okay. So we're going to join his and

it says that he's in a job. So, so I think that's

what, I think that's just what they call missions.

Online. I think they just call it jobs. Not sure.

So it's like, would you like to join him in progress?

I'm like, sir. And then it just went to like

an overview of the city in loading for like 10

minutes. So I'm like, huh, so backed out, did

it, same thing again, but if I load it into my

own, totally fine. As soon as I try to join him,

wah wah wah. Well, Mike, let's try to do it as

friends tonight and see how that goes. We can

try that. I did do two more side quests in the

game. Which ones? I did the first tow truck mission.

Wow, you're that far back. OK, yeah, I'm not.

I drove, I went to play it the other day and

I was like, I did my thing where I'm going to

drive around the entire island and get the outline

in as far as the expressway goes, which was fine.

That was fun, fun to do. And for those things,

because you're going to you're going to do it

anyways. Yeah, but I was trying to find a way

to like get myself like sucked into what was

going on. Did you at least drive on the opposite

side of the road so it worked your driving skill

up? No, I did not. Oh my god And then I did so

I did the tow truck mission and then I did the

first paparazzi mission Okay, Beverly missions.

Yeah. Yeah, and That was about it. I I went and

when I was doing the going around the thing I

went to the pier with the Ferris wheel Okay,

you know did you ride the ferris wheel I did

I rode the ferris wheel I knew you would I haven't

yet But I just knew as soon as something Mike's

gonna go on this I also rode the roller coaster.

I didn't do that either I watched Iron Man 1

the other day and when he flies by after getting

his Mach 2 suit out He flies by that by that

amusement park. I was so excited. I recognize

that I saw that in Grand Theft Auto 5 Wow, Joe,

just wow. There are no words. I don't know. I've

just been kind of dinking around, waiting for

GTA Online to become available, and I thought

it was going to be next Tuesday, next Tuesday

or Wednesday. It'll probably be next Tuesday

or Wednesday before it'll actually work. Yeah.

I'm hoping they have it going good by the weekend,

because if not, then it's going to crash hard.

No, okay, let's let's I can we just address the

thing in the room with all this online like connectivity

stuff because I don't understand I still don't

understand how this happens Especially in this

day and age and I've had conversations with Jason

who actually works for an internet company like,

you know a server hosting company and and some

stuff like that and it's kind of like They know

their pre -order numbers And it's kind of like,

why does nobody? SimCity didn't do it, even though

they can see their preorder numbers, so they

know how many they're going to sell. And they

were an online only game. Grand Theft Auto knows

like how many people bought their game. And you

could just assume that all those people are going

to try and sign online at the same time. I just

I don't think make their servers able to handle

the minimum of how many people just preordered.

Yeah, I don't understand why in. And it's just

it kind of highlights the the whole like Xbox

one being always on kind of thing It's like maybe

I mean, maybe Microsoft was gonna do it the right

way by having their Azure servers be on all the

time For like every single member because again,

they know how many Xbox live subscribers they

have so they can build their infrastructure around

that number It seems like to me like it would

make more sense to scale down Then it would be

to try and scale up in a hurry Like so if you

like if you know that you're gonna pre -order

you have 75 pre -orders if you assume that are

75 million pre -orders Just throwing out a big

-ass number there You know that all those people

are gonna be trying to play your game why not

accommodate 80 million people and Then and then

sell your extra hundred servers to some weird

Korean company who's doing an MMO once you realize

you don't need those servers anymore or turn

them off. You know, it's like I just don't understand

why in this, you know, you're it's an online

game and we've made they had to have known. And

I'm just getting kind of frustrated with it.

But like I said, Rockstar doesn't seem to be

getting the backlash that some other games would.

And I think that's just because they built a

great single player component to it. I'd love

to hear from an industry insider on what actually

happened. Somebody who's willing to be honest

about it. Maybe just servers don't work like

we think they do. And it's the volume that, I

mean, maybe the infrastructure is there, but

the volume is what fries them. No, that's that's

what it is. It's the it's the traffic. It's seventy

five. It's, you know, in my analogy, it's seventy

five million people trying to hit something when

they've only said, oh, when their estimate said,

oh, only 30 million people are going to try and

sign out. Like they they had they had a number

somebody somewhere in their company, some analysts

said, oh, and we can we can build our infrastructure

based on, you know, 30 million people signing

online at one time. Well, clearly. 40 million

people wanted to sign online and now your servers

are getting slammed and nobody can get in and

it's not even it's not even that those 30 million

people that they plan for can get in because

the whole thing is just falling apart because

you have 40 million trying to get into a room

for 30 and everybody's making each other not

be able to get in and they're ruining the party

for everybody it's just it's those bastards It's

not a bandwidth thing. It's not like oh, I have

the fastest bandwidth, so I'm pushing everybody

else out of the way It's it's you know it's a

it literally is you have to be able to accommodate

that many people hitting a server or servers

at one time and No one's been able to get it

right and I mean Blizzard didn't get it right

with Diablo 3 some city or Maxis didn't get it

right with some city and now Rockstar didn't

get it right with GTA. It's kind of like is Microsoft

gonna get it right with the Xbox one Is Sony

going to get it right with the PlayStation 4?

I doubt it. So. All right. That's my rant about

servers and online games. Now. Worst games we've

ever played. GTA online. I'm not ready to write

it off yet. I'm sorry, I haven't actually played

it. Yeah, so, I mean, you know, we had a conversation

off before we started recording that you approach

video games the way that I approach TV shows

is that you play a lot of games. I give pretty

much most things a fair shake. I'll be like,

oh, that looks interesting. I'll try it out.

And then I'll be like, whoa, massive pile of

shit. So, you know, let's kind of work backwards

here then. We'll start now and go back in time.

What's some of the most recent? Like what's some

of the bad games that you've played recently?

I mean, movie licenses aside. Yeah, movie license.

You can't count those because oh my God. So many

terrible ones. Yeah, the fact with those that

like the few ones are so far in between, like

few and far in between. There's ones that are

so specially bad, like Fantastic Four. Where

you couldn't actually oh the beautiful thing

about that game. It was a two -player game. I

Don't know if I ever played it it is So bad and

the only thing that makes it better was the fact

that the scrapped There's two levels from the

scrap fantastic four game You can unlock at the

end of it and those were better than what they

came up with Because the two levels at the end

were actually based off of a comic book fantastic

for a game They completely stopped doing so they

put the first two levels is like bonus missions

if you beat the game and And it's like a beat

this this you know Something good Question is

that if it's a bad game, I probably haven't played

it That's what I'm dealing with, too. It's getting

to that point now where, I mean, with, you know,

everything is so expensive nowadays. When I was

a kid, you know, you find out how bad a game

is a week before it comes out now. Oh, this game

is just horrible. There's no point. Reviews to

me are still so subjective. I mean, there are

some where I will like certain critics I will

take. you know, their, you know, their voice

will have more weight over something because

I've been following them for the last six, seven

years. So it's kind of like I have an idea of

how their tastes are similar to mine. But it's

like I don't I don't put a whole lot of weight

into a review. It's kind of like if I'm interested

in trying a game, I'm going to try a game. But

I that that said there isn't a whole lot I mean

I was kind of looking over some of the lists

that we found online that people have put together

the worst games ever I haven't played very many

of these and part of it is you know it's just

cost I mean games are expensive And it's not

like I can go to my neighborhood blockbuster

and rent a game for a day now I think I think

the worst game The only thing that comes to mind

when somebody says what's the worst game you've

ever played and I can't even think of the name

of it Speaking of Blockbuster my friend Jason,

I've re -rendered the game from Blockbuster and

We brought it home and we started up as a brand

new game and it asked you it was like a two -player

top -down Like kind of like a dungeon crawler

not it wasn't like a like a dark. So how long

ago are we talking? This was like 2000 it's on

the ps2 Okay, so like 2001 2002 somewhere in

there And brought it home, threw it in, and it

asked you to choose your difficulty level. And

so we were just kind of like, oh, we want to

have some fun. So we put it on easy. And we went

and did a mission. And we went and turned it

back in, and then the credits started rolling.

And this was in, like, within 30 minutes of getting

the game back home. We looked at each other like,

what? Was that? That was easy. Yeah. And it wasn't

like it was like these are like the opening production

credits. No, this was like black screen credits

scrolling up my TV. And I couldn't, you know,

it was weird because I don't have I didn't have

a save file for the game. It wasn't like I loaded

the game up and I was at the end of it. It sure

wasn't DLC for Borderlands 2. Yeah. It's not

like it's not like a cartridge game where you

go and rent it and you have somebody save file

that you can piggyback off of. So it's just really

weird. We went and took it back. And because

we, you know, we just been there 30 minutes earlier,

they let us swap it out with a different game

for free. So that was really nice. Well, because,

you know, it's not it's not their fault that

the game was a piece of crap. I just wish I could

remember what game it was. But yeah, quick call

the head of Blockbuster and look through your

history. I wish I could still do that. But what

are some like I mean? What are some games like

exceptionally bad games you guys have played

like I know that I've at least tried Superman

64 Oh What was this? Not Superman 64 there was

a superman game on the Xbox it came out with

Superman returns was was it just named Superman

returns No, I know which one you're talking about

that was horrible. I can see that game was crappy

Oh my God. Oh, the DC Superman one, the actual

comic book. Yeah, that one was. Name a Superman

game that's been good. Well, how many straight

up Superman games have there been? All terrible.

Well, OK, yeah, all terrible. Yes, but I think

that I like the idea that EA did with the Superman

Returns game. Which is because Superman is invulnerable.

It was kind of like instead of giving him the

city Yeah, the health is is is the city instead

of giving him a health bar I thought that was

I thought that was an interesting idea Wow, if

the health was the city and man is steel. He

would have died real quick I was gonna say well,

that's what kind of always made me laugh about

that game was like the health of the city I'm

like have they seen any of the comics or any

of the animated stuff? He flies through 17 buildings

in every fight Hundreds, if not thousands of

people, virtual people, die whenever he fights

anyone. But it's okay because he saved the one

lady pushing the baby across the street. So yeah,

Superman games generally bad. Like I said, I

liked the idea of that one mechanic. I thought

it was an interesting way to try and make a game

around that character. Granted, again, it was

a movie tie -in. Let me see some ones that stand

out in my mind. Army of two fortieth day was

pretty horrible. First one was horrible. Let's

see. I had so much fun with the first one. No.

Good game in theory, but that needed a look in

the first one. They had the mechanic where it's

like, oh, if this person's shooting, this one

becomes invisible. Got it. I love that. And the

second was like, if this person keeps shooting

for long enough, they can. Trigger overkill mode

and then nothing else matters. Both of you become

unkillable slaughterhouses. But isn't that what

EA wants for all their games? Apparently so.

See some other notable shitty ones. Are we still

staying current? We can just let's just start

throwing games in. What was that second call

of your res one devil's cartel? Devil's cartel.

Yeah. Yeah, that was. Oh my God. That was bad.

Oh, the first one. The first one was terrible,

too. I didn't like the first one at all. Has

anyone has anyone played Custer's Revenge? No,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you talking

about a really good game? Yeah, I'm just trying

to save this. It's hard to emulate because it

was on an Atari analog system. So I haven't found

an emulator for it yet, but someday I will have

that games ever made. Like on most lists Yes,

okay ET got that award a couple years ago for

being the worst game and I Have heard that ET

is not nearly as bad a game as they make it out

to be if you actually have and read the manual

that Everything makes sense and it tells you

how to get out of the hole and whatnot in the

manual And I bought the manual at the geek sale

two years ago, and I haven't read it yet But

I have the game the Atari in the manual now,

so I think I can try and make that game not horrible

Yeah, we had this I was telling Dana about this

you and I had a conversation about ET at a geek

sale uh -huh And that it how it may or may not

have been one of the first video games to have

contextual buttons Yep depending on where the

character was. A contextual button, but yes.

The button did different things depending on

where you were with the character. Beyond that,

some of the worst games that I had played are

on the CD -i. I have not played the notorious

Zelda games or the Mario games on it. Although

it's really easy to pirate, those are just CD

-ROMs, but... I'll get around to that someday.

I'd rather own the real things. But any of the

other ones that I have tried on there are...

It's like, it would be like trying to control

a modern game with your DVD remote. The controllers

are just not made for video games and the games

aren't well made to begin with. They're old,

dated, slow, not tightly controlled at all. And

then they give you this three pound penis to

control. the characters with, it just does not

work. Some of us are used to having to control

three -pompiness, that's all I'm saying. Oops,

I left myself open for that. He leaves himself

open for a lot of different things. Okay, wait

a minute. No, no, I didn't play this one. I'm

sorry. I thought the Leisure Suit Larry that

was on this list. I thought maybe I had played

this one because it's the newest one. Isn't that

the one where they try to make it what everybody

thinks Leisure Suit Larry was? Pretty much because

everybody kind of forgot What it was in its heyday

the last one I played was in 2004. What was it

like the box? It was um, it was like he goes

to college or something like that Summa cum laude.

Yes. Yes. I actually had a lot of fun Just playing

all the different little minigames in it. I remember

playing leisure suit Larry to back in 97 Yeah

I remember 96. I don't remember those games like

in 96. I was nine You're dumb, you know that

your world And your face is stupid too your whole

world of dumb your whole world maybe that's a

younger face than yours You know what? I'm fine

with that because at least my older face isn't

dumb as your young faces My memory of leisure

suit Larry is watching my mom's Boss we were

friends with her their family we went over to

his house and he showed me leisure suit Larry

and when he as he logged into it the age Verification

was a three question quiz that involved pop culture

references from like 50s and 60s so our 70s and

so I like And he just giggled when he read the

question. I had no idea what The answer was he

typed it right in laughing about the question

that they were asking him. That was kind of clever.

This was before Google, I'm guessing. Yes. Yeah.

Those older games used to be great. The newer

ones are just don't quite capture the magic.

You know, does anyone remember a game? I think

it came pre -installed on some computers in the

90s. At least it did on the computer that my

parents bought. It was called... Death Race?

Mega Race! Mega Race. Yeah. Oh, man. The guy

that had the match was super shitty and like

it was so bad. It was good. I actually had a

lot of fun playing it. I think Jason actually

has a copy of it because I played it the crap.

I can almost guarantee I have a copy of it sitting

in my basement. I really like that game. I just

remember. Playing it so much because it was like

the first PC game like when I got my my Gateway

computer before I went to college. I think it

was included with it that was like the first

game I had for that and Driving around and playing

it and playing it and then accidentally discovering

that there was a weapons button in the game Which

I had no idea I had been playing it for like

a week and I had no idea there was weapons I

get as a straight -up racer. Yeah How are you

guys are shooting what is everybody else get

to shoot? That's not fair. That's not cool Then

I accidentally hit the weapons button. I was

like, oh I'm just real dumb when it comes to

playing computer games game Began Danner's hatred

of racing games. There is another game that I

played About the same time is that it was called

it's actually on the PlayStation Network. Now

is actually on the PlayStation 1 as well But

you were flying around on a magic carpet And

you had that's like a first person you're flying

around on a magic carpet is actually called magic

carpet creative name But you fly around and you

You couldn't even see what was going on in the

world But you just shot things with like a fireball

or some orb or something and it was the the draw

distance in the game was like You know five feet

in front of your character before it turned to

fog So you couldn't see what you were doing at

all. But I remember playing a lot of that, too.

I remember playing the original driver and thinking

it was amazing. But oh, my God, was that game

horrible? No. Oh, my God. That game had some

of the worst glitches. I like driver. Oh, it

was totally fun. But like, if I had if any game

I own now. glitched as much as that game did

then, I would probably throw my Xbox out the

window. OK, that's fair. Because I don't know

how many times I would hit a hit an incline in

the road going so fast that I would go through

the road and be underneath on like an invisible

world looking up at the road above me. I would

like to see a stunt man. Did anyone play stunt

man? Oh. Um a little I never owned it though.

They could put the demo of it way back I played

the well, I didn't play the current gen version

of it. I played the PlayStation 2 version I actually

still own it I can I can I can give it to you

for your library if you want Joe All right, they

it's it was made by the guys that made driver

So the controls were pretty similar. The only

difference is you were a stuntman in movies and

you had to do So do you have to do like car chases?

But every once in a while while you're doing

like your chase or you're driving You'd be like

you have to scrape against this trashcan here

or you have this type of slider on this corner

It would be the director would give you things

he wanted to do you to do like oh You need to

get up on two wheels for at least 30 seconds

Yeah, whatever and then at the end of it when

you were done with that stage You got to watch

a trailer of for the movie with your driving

scenes cut into it Which is just really neat.

I got to the James Bond one before I gave up

I think there was like the second to last mission.

I was just like I couldn't I Couldn't get the

car to do exactly to do what I wanted to do.

I was like this Okay, stupid not to jump here

for a second. This reminded me. I know you haven't

gotten this far but Joe have you gotten to the

Franklin mission with the James Bond car? No,

oh my god. It's so good. So good You get to drive

the iconic Sean Connery James Bond car for one

mission. Yes. Complete with spy gadgets. It's

fantastic. It's amazing. Pardon me, game. I'm

going to not complete this mission and park it

in my garage. It was one of those ones I hope

there's somehow you get that car. Do you know

the name of the car? It's an Aston Martin something.

I'm not sure no no It'd be a fake Aston Martin

in the game. You can't yeah, it's only in that

part You have you have to go the whole mission

is to steal this guy's car Okay, so I'm just

wondering because there's a I think I mentioned

this on the last episode there is a car that

people keep tweeting about that they keep asking

where do I find this car and That's why I was

wondering if you actually knew the name of the

car that you boosted I could not remember um

I'm sure it's some name that reminisces it might

have been like a super spy car or something.

I don't know. It probably had some throwback

to James Bond. All right, let's let's go around

here real quick and then we'll we'll we'll wrap

this conversation up. Joe, what's the worst game

you've ever played? Oh, God. In your opinion.

I don't play crappy games. I don't I don't I

thought about this. I don't have an answer. Well,

okay. Well, what's the worst of the best games

that you've played? They can't all be number

one Hate is you have for everything. I thought

this would be easy for the Assassin's Creed 3

No, I'd still rather play that than any of the

Call of Duty's It's gotta be something I'd have

to look at a list. There's just too much. And

that's what it really is. There's too much hate.

I mean, if I don't own it, chances are I probably

hate it. I mean, that's really the truth. So

you could list any game that I don't own. Battlefield?

Battlefield 3. I hate that game. I really do.

You shut your mouth. That is just one of the

worst games I've ever played and I mean it. Oh,

Sean's going to go cry now. I'm not going to

go cry. I'm just going to start crying. I don't

have to go anywhere. And then he's going to have

himself on my tongue. It's on the it's right

there. So you're going to start crying on the

podcast and then you're going to go polish yourself

off afterwards with your tears. Again, not after

a good loop during the lap dance is always better

when the strippers crying. Oh, natural lube right

there. All right, Daniel, you've been kind of

quiet. What's your worst game you've ever played?

There's so many. Where to start? Legend of Zelda

Ocarina of Time. Are you just trying to sort

of flame war? I'm really just starting. No, I

have no love for that game to start off with

because I think it's incredibly overrated. Fester's

quest back in the Nintendo. That gives me pretty

pretty terrible. Think is anybody here played

the original Metal Gear? Yes. Think the original

Metal Gear? But you said it in the world of the

Adams family, and instead of playing a snake,

you play as Uncle Fester. You hide in boxes.

Pretty much. You go around a neighborhood hiding

in trash cans. Um, it's it's pretty it's pretty

god -awful Which amazingly enough there being

a god -awful Nintendo game back in the Quality

seal era days. It's kind of impressive Or we

could pick on back to the future the video game

which had absolutely nothing to do with back

to the future the movie at all There wasn't even

time travel on it. Marty, come quick. Your game

is a piece of shit. It was a hoverboard simulator.

Yup. All right. It was terrible. Not including

licensed games. Anything. Just what's your. Terminator

Salvation. Easily the worst game I've ever played.

Easily the worst game I've ever played. The funniest

thing is. You had to use different weapons on

different guys. So it made certain weapons later

in the game, the weapons that would give you

completely worthless. Be like, oh, quick, take

this assault rifle. Oh, you mean the assault

rifle that doesn't work against these guys. Thank

you. Oh, you didn't save that gun from three

missions ago. Well, you're screwed then. Oh,

yeah, and it's bad. That is that one is because

I. Some people, a lot of people hated that movie.

I enjoyed that movie. So as soon as I saw the

game, like, oh, sweet, this will be cool, right?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You actually saw

a movie license game and go, oh, wait, this is

going to be cool. In my head, you ever go into

an arcade recently and have they have the Terminator

Salvation like first person? I'm sorry. This

goes all the way back. This goes back to the

whole, you know, mentally deficient thing from

last week. I'm seeing it right now. You are mentally

deficient. I'm flame retardant, I believe. You,

sir, do not have the ability to catch fire. You

are flame something. Yeah, very flame -ing. Ho

ho ho. Ho ho ho. Zingers, my sides, they're splitting.

But yeah, that's... Yeah, that's a game that

no there. Nothing could persuade me to ever touch

that game ever again, the rest of my life. Nothing

could persuade me to touch most anything that

goes based off of the popular movie. And the

matrix was pretty terrible. And the Matrix had

the worst driving levels on a game I had ever

seen. And by the last level, when the last level

came, came up, it's like they just fucking gave

up. They were like, no graphics. It's fun if

you put it all the cheat codes that it was really

fun. All you just you just jumped around bullet

time. You know what other game was super terrible?

Saints Row four. You're so funny. Worst game

ever. It's fine, because really the only person

that's played it is Shaunzy, so. Yeah, so who

cares about that guy? He's a douchebag. Yeah.

It's got to be bad if he played it. Yeah. By

that, by that logic, your mother's would all

be bad too. What? My mom is evil. That's nice.

That's nice. Sorry, was it was the pity hour

already I didn't realize Trying to think of what

hi, this is a self -loathing hour with Mike powers

Free box of razor blades Actually if I was gonna

do that if I was gonna do the self -loathing

thing or something like that It would have been

last week when I found out that most of my Legos

had been destroyed Oh my God, are we still on

this? It sucks. Don't get me wrong. Sucks hardcore.

I that's why Mike was drunk last week. I have

over my you know, I had my parents asked me.

or they let me put my Legos over all my Star

Wars Legos and stuff like that in their basement.

And they were like, we'll keep you know, we'll

keep the kids away from blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah. Well, every once in a while, you know,

I go over there and I go down the basement and

I look at them and, you know, some of them would

be moved around or like a piece would be kind

of like the the set would be broken. And I would

just put back together and, you know, whatever.

No big deal. This last time I went over there

last Wednesday and. I went downstairs and they

weren't broken. They were completely gone. My

brother had like smuggled some out of the basement

and taking them outside and like tried to put

them back. And I was actually able to read there

was like there's four sets still downstairs that

I did not either bring to my house or take for

the geek geek sale. And they were like the Millennium

Falcon, the X -wing, the Imperial shuttle. The

Tidarium shuttle and Boba Fett's slave one were

the four sets that were left down down in the

basement. I was able to for the most part, was

able to get the Millennium Falcon back together

because it was the largest one. It was probably

the hardest one for him to like get out of the

house. Shove it down his pants until I smuggle

everything everywhere, even if I'm not smuggling

it. That's how I carry things. The Tidarium shuttle

bag in my pants. It makes getting takeout really

uncomfortable. Oh, I could just imagine. Hmm.

Yeah. Chinese food up in there, stuck in the

hair. And yeah, yeah. Especially the hair. Sweet

and sour sauce. No, you keep the sour. Stop it.

I'm hungry. Well, and especially because of the

fact that he says especially because of the fact

that we already know that most of everything

that Sean probably gets from a Chinese restaurant

is probably covered in the cream of some young

guy and is just all over the place. I add that

at my home. Thank you. Oh, all over your face

as we speak. All right. You walk around like

a glazed donut. Your mom doesn't seem to mind

when I alright guys, okay We're gonna take a

break Dan is gonna read us another ad and when

we come back, we'll wrap up the show and We'll

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The Pull Bag. today. Wow, two for two. Way to

go, one take, Danner. Oh, yeah. So that's got

to be a better nickname than your wife calling

you the one shot wonder, huh? Hey, I get at least

three pump shots. Yeah, it's been confirmed Danner's

had a sex at least three times. Yes. He's batting

three for three. I'm like the bullseye of sex.

I never miss. I had answers to the horrible video

game question, and I had a listener question,

but god, I need to write them down now. I've

forgotten it. Alright, who's got a question?

I'm thinking. Don't everyone go at once. Alright,

I got one. Sean's the first one to the party

for once? Screw you. not in your best day little

boy you couldn't handle me on my best day little

man dang them's fighting words come over here

and say that new yorker new yorker i'm sorry

i'm not from michigan i don't have pop over here

soda soda pop soda pop okay stop you're gonna

make me forget okay Then I'm going to start calling

you Joe. What is OK for the for the listeners?

What is that one game? No matter how old and

how outdated it gets, you still love and love

playing even though it's on a system that's crazy

outdated. The graphics look horrible. The gameplay

is, you know, not as good compared to games nowadays.

But what is that game? No matter what happens,

you will always love that game. Love playing

it. Oh, I got two of those. Yeah, they're called

your nuts. Oh They're really old and outdated

Dan is you think of a question yet? Yes, I don't

know his was actually really good See, I'm not

stupid all the time. Just majority that was your

one for the year Yeah, everyone gets one. Hey,

the year is gonna end here in a few months, so

Wait till the very end. We'll have to wait till

the death rattle of the year before we get the

next one I think I think Joe said he had a question

so before he forgets it Yeah, cuz I did but then

I remembered it again All right, so if you had

somebody who has Never played video games in

their lives before but is that 20 to 30 to 40

something age group? What is the first? Relatively

current gen game that you would use to introduce

them to the world of video games And I asked

this question on the basis of things like we've

all grown up playing Legend of Zelda for instance

from the beginning We know that get the treasure

in the dungeon use the treasure to kill the boss

There are design principles that we all know

and are born with but what do you use to teach

people now? Those video game conventions that

we all take for granted That is a good question.

That is a good question. And I actually am wondering,

I don't know if you've seen this or if Tanner

has seen this, but the Link to the Past sequel,

Link Between Worlds, have you guys seen or heard

how they're changing things up? Yes, I just heard

that article today. I read the first... No, I

have no idea. It's not something I follow. So

I'm an interested reader. Tell me. My understanding

is they're just going to allow you to tackle

anything in any order? Also, it's basically an

open world I can go I can go to the final dungeon

if I want and you can rent items That's one of

the headlines that I saw. I hope that's not with

real money. I hope it's in micro transactions

I'm expecting microtransactions for some reason

I'm waiting to see that creep in to you know

next gen so much. I think it's gonna be Mean

there's little things now. They're not really

so much micro transactions, but you know in -game

purchases, but I'm waiting to see microtransaction

how successful it's been in other medium Yeah,

I've been to actual console gaming. I guess I'm

gonna go ahead and add have that add that as

my question Like like what uh what do you guys

what do the listeners think of microtransactions

um do you partake in them uh do you steer clear

of them are you um are you like morally opposed

yeah like are you morally opposed to them um

i mean we've talked about them here and there

on does your religion does your religion not

allow you to We've talked about microtransactions

here and there with games like War Thunder and

Simpsons tapped out actually as a microtransaction

based game too. Yeah, never used microtransaction

in that game. I believe Ganner has. I have. How

much? Because I see your city and there's no

way you play that game legit and get that stuff.

Three bucks, four bucks, four bucks, three bucks,

maybe four bucks. seven times. I need to get

donuts in order to get Bumblebee man. So I think

it's something that we're gonna you know cover

a little more here coming up especially with

the number of free -to -play games available

on the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One. Also what

is it Grand Theft Auto Online also actually has

microtransactions in it. So yes it does. Have

they not come on yet? I haven't noticed that.

No, they're there. They're like, we haven't noticed

anything. You're not playing the game yet. Yeah.

You buy it's to actually buy in game currency.

It's not you're not buying items like you don't.

OK, that makes sense, because I've heard that

in order to actually plan heists in it, you have

to be able to have your own apartment to actually.

Plan them to have the board in and you have to

have like a nice enough apartment You need enough

money to get that apartment. So I think it's

like I'm guessing that's the shortcut I think

the math comes out to be like a dollar gets you

a hundred thousand dollars in game or something

like that So if I spend a hundred dollars, I'll

be rich and I won't have to play the game So

but obviously, like every other microtransaction

based game, you are, you know, there's you can

play the game legit and whatnot. So and it's

I think this is kind of how they are planning

to keep Grand Theft Auto online free because

they keep you know, they've said they plan on

supporting it and adding content to it. So I

think the we'll see how that goes. how it goes.

But yeah. I can't wait till everybody gets a

PS4 and gets off my servers so I can go online

with that game. Start playing other things so

I can play this. So yeah. What are your opinions,

thoughts and opinions, feelings, what not about

microtransactions in crossing over into mainstream

games? Daner, you're the only one that doesn't

have one. No question, Daner. I got one now.

Oh, OK. And it's gone. Oh stop with comic book

games Being few and far between and us finally

getting a Deadpool game what obscure Superhero

or super villain would you like to see? Get their

own video game what what what would get you to

go on by you know that game what obscure character

would it be like a squirrel girl game or ragman

rocket raccoon rocket raccoon that could happen

in the galaxy so what what we didn't even get

a comic book character game that's not based

off of a movie would you be interested in ant

-man it's it's basically just like uh pickman

I was going to say, do Ant -Man, but make it

exactly like Chibi -Robo. All right. So on that

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