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got a question from Joe. and welcome. As always,

I'm your host, Michael Powers. I'm joined this

week by Art Danner. Hi. And by Joe Reed. Hello

there, Radio Land. Holy shit, you're way too

awake. Sean Z is working, so he's not going to

be here tonight. And as we confirmed off the

show, there will be 100 percent less dick jokes.

Actually, there can't be 100 percent less because

I just made one. So enough cocking around already

um So Danner Yes, why don't you tell us about

Disney Xfinity? Oh I'll be more than happy to

tell you about the great money suck of 2013 I

have I know nothing about this outside of watching

or reading a penny arcade cartoon. Is this like

the new Skylanders? Yes It is It is Skylanders

meets Minecraft with Disney Huh, that is what

it is it pretty much from what you know, I've

known of Skylanders pretty much kind of out Skylanders

Skylanders Because it's just it's Let me get

my my wits about me and think of how I want to

present this you've only had since Sunday to

think about this Yeah, I've only had it since

Sunday, but we've put like Graydon's put like

maybe 14 hours into the game since Sunday Slacker

yeah, I know he's working his way to be a real

gamer one of these days So basically what does

the infinity is is it's a much like Skylanders

it comes with the portal it's got a spot where

you can put two characters on and Then there

is a hexagon shape spot on the portal which is

where your World crystal crystals go. I don't

know what the exact terms are. I'll just making

this shit up as we go But your world crystals

go in the hexagon When you get your world crystals

they go in there and they unlock certain universes

within the game in Which certain characters can

exist? So say you put the crystal that comes

with the game in there you get the opportunity

to go into the universes of the Incredibles Monsters

University and Pirates of the Caribbean Now The

characters from those specific franchises can

only go to those specific worlds. So far? Nope.

Ever. Ever. That's where I think the shortcoming

is in this. And that's also where I think the

shortcoming is. That's the one thing I liked

about Skylanders. But they have Toy Box. Which

Toy Box is essentially Minecraft. Where all the

characters can exist. everything you do in all

the action adventure portions of the game unlock

items within that world and you can customize

buildings in those worlds but anything you unlock

in those worlds becomes unlocked in toy box through

a roulette system correct no anything you collect

in those systems is there but there's other stuff

in a roulette system that you can earn and you

get points throughout the games that give you

spins on the roulette system and there's like

over a thousand items that you can spin through

the roulette system and unlock other stuff on

top of the stuff you already unlocked in the

other worlds what kinds of things are you unlocking

um so far i've unlocked um Like enemy classes

in toy box, which are the royal guards from the

Aladdin movie you can also unlock the another

enemy set which is the Rhino guards from Robin

Hood the animated movie And then there is vehicles

from certain movies that you can unlock to race

around on there's oh my god I'm on a Tron light

cycle huh well I've unlocked there's like many

characters that populate the world that are not

like they're really really short many kind of

shades of like what the actual characters are

that you play as in the game so they kind of

you know You don't get confused with the main

characters and they populate the universe, which

I've unlocked the Tron figures. I've unlocked

the Disney princesses so far. And then like in

the Monsters University section, you can actually

pick up the monsters and then throw them into

a monster customizer where you can actually go

through and customize all the characters that

are in that world. So, I mean, it's basically

all. based on creativity and what you want to

do I mean it's it's the action adventure portions

are cool for the kids but the toy box is awesome

for like me because then you can go in and you

can make land you can change the sky you can

put new buildings in you can make a racetrack

you can make a paintball range there is also

booster packs that you get Which are for five

bucks you get a sealed pack and you get two booster

discs in the pack and they can be Power -ups

for your characters or they can be unlocks for

the toy box Some of the unlocks I've gotten so

far with those are The Toy Box world there's

a Finding Nemo skyline so basically you put the

Finding Nemo skyline on the portal and It basically

changes the entire skyline so that the entire

toy box world is underwater And then there's

other things like some of the other toys that

I've unlocked for toy box are Mulan's horse that

I dropped that in and a horse will appear right

in front of me Another one is Stitch's Blasters,

which are basically muck guns. They can go around

and shoot other people in the world and just

muck them up. And so there's just little, little

itty bitty add -ons, microtransactions without

being. It's basically built almost like a free

game in an iPad. I was making a comparison Good

comparison, but it was a comparison. I believe

it's free to play on iOS. It is free to play

on iOS, but anything you buy Anything you buy

You get a card with and you can input that with

your ID and anything you purchase Unlocks in

the iOS version Wait, wait. So what systems are

this on? It's done PS3 we we you 360 There's

a PC version, there's a 3DS version, and then

there's the iOS version. All the little booster

packs compatible with all the different versions?

Yes. All the characters and all the booster packs

are compatible with every single system. The

only thing is probably the game disc. That's

the only thing that literally goes. I think even

the portals are USB for all the systems, I think.

Which I don't think that would work with the

3DS. The 3DS one has to be... 3ds is ir which

is annoying unless unless they did something

different than what skylanders did the skylanders

one is ir and if you don't if you're not pointing

it directly at the portal like your you can't

swap out and it's annoying to swap out characters

on the 3ds now i did buy it on the ps3 which

if anybody's been following things on twitter

um the ps3 version the 1 .01 update which came

out at day of the moment you went into toy box

it crashed your system now crash the system like

bricked it or just crash the game to the dashboard

crash the game to the dashboard but if you back

out to the dashboard the system would crash and

reset okay yikes Like you could exit, like get

to the option, which even when my system's frozen

before, you don't usually get, or you can hit

the center button and then go to quit. And then

it tries to quit out and then it just resets.

Which I've had games where that's just legitimately

just frozen and you can't get out. There's nothing

you can do except for hard reset your system.

Yeah, I've experienced that too. Yes, and then

it's gonna do the boot disk thing which is fucking

nerve -wracking. Boot disk. Where it's basically

gotta go to system recovery mode and it's gonna

check your files and make sure nothing's damaged

and it takes like 20 minutes and then... You

could possibly lose game saves and that good

stuff. That I've never seen. Every single time

I've had to hard reset my system, it's done that.

So here's my question that will determine whether

or not I hate this game or I think it's kind

of cool. When you go by the booster pack and

you set it on the thing is it actually Installing

stuff or is all of that crap already on the disk

and you're paying for the right to unlock it

I think you're paying for the right to unlock

it Yeah, it the what the the there's an alright

There is an RFID tag in each of the characters

and presumably the cards yes that tells the system

that it's okay to use that stuff now the interesting

thing and i don't know that this is the like

i read an article about this whole patch thing

and people saves being erased and having to reset

their characters the and i haven't i haven't

done that but i waited long enough to actually

be able to play it i didn't open it until the

Almost the I didn't open it until after the kids

went to bed on Sunday because I wanted to try

it out so I knew how to work it before I I taught

them to play and I Had read all this stuff that

there was issues beforehand, so I Disconnected

my ps3 from the internet and played it that way

for the first couple days Until I knew there

was some sort of resolution which the resolution

was is delete 1 .01 You're gonna have to delete

your game saves and start over again Where I

never updated to 1 .01 So I never had to delete

my game saves so on Tuesday morning they deleted

1 .01 out of their system So even when you logged

on there was no update anymore So I could have

finally log in online, which sunk up everything

with my Disney account and all my game saves

went right through and I didn't lose any data

at all from any of the time granted to me and

put into the game, which I could care. In my

opinion, yes, some people were getting upset

about the fact that they had to restart and go

through the intro again. I have kids. I'm so

used to them just going in and starting the game

and ignoring the fact that there's save files

in the first place. This shit doesn't bother

them. That is not an issue to us. Well, the only

reason I'm curious about that is because with

Skylanders, the character information is saved

in the character. Yeah. So like if I wanted to

like hypothetically... The game saves are saved

in the system. The only thing I think the...

I mean, you can't access any of the game saves

for specific parts of the game unless you have

the game crystal in for that specific section

of the game. Now, do the characters level up?

Yes. But is that saved to the character statue?

Because what I'm saying is with Skylanders, if

I have a level 15 Night Elf, I can take that

level 15 Night Elf over to a friend that has

the game and put my character on the portal and

I get my level 15 Night Elf with all of its skills

unlocked. I'm gonna be honest. I haven't looked

into it that closely So, I mean that's one of

the things I liked about is like because you

can kind of I mean if you see if if you want

to be like an asshole about it You could actually

like buy them and like, you know us who play

video games We could like level up characters

really fast and then you could turn around and

sell like a level 15 Character statue. Yeah statue.

Um Now i'm i'm curious because I know that the

wii u version of skylanders giants was the best

one there was And i'm wondering if they if it's

the same with um Disney infinity because all

of the character information showed up on the

tablet screen which was pretty cool which was

really really neat um of course we don't know

that because you know I don't have my Wii U anymore

and you don't have one so correct the one thing

I did find annoying was you can't and which I

didn't I didn't know this and I'm not gonna lie

I didn't put a Shit load of research into this

before I bought it. It was kind of on a whim

I was planning on buying it until Janelle was

like, oh Disney infinity comes out today because

I'd kind of been I've mentioned it and talked

about it for like the last six months is like

This would be you know when this comes out. This

would be a great thing for the kids Side note

is we're a huge Disney family. We go to Disney

all often every couple years We've always been

big into Disney. The kids are big into Disney.

It's kind of you know, it's a thing in our family

That's why this you know, like above Skylanders

kind of spoke to us It felt more geared towards

the taste that we have as a family Also, I learned

how terribly of an obsessive compulsive personality

I have when it comes to collecting games and

I realized why I don't play magic the gathering

anymore or Why I'm glad I'd never actually fully

gotten the hero clicks because fucking hell I

have 13 characters already I didn't know they

had that many there's more than that. So I'm

foreshort of having the full run of what's out

and then there's two exclusive figures that are

out there that one you could only get at d23,

which is the the Mickey Mouse figure Which is

going for about 800 bucks on eBay right now Yikes,

and then there's an exclusive paint job of lightning

McQueen and Toys R Us which those are the only

two exclusives that they've released so far and

the only way to have Mickey for the game right

now is to have gone to D23 You can't even get

D23 D23 is their Conference or like their con

that Disney does okay it's their big unveiling

of all the new stuff that's coming out from disney

and like new theme parks like they announced

the fact they're making avatar land now and the

fact they're making star wars land so that's

they do their big unveils for the parks and other

interactive disney stuff that's going on um but

i had to go out and buy more characters in each

of the lands because it comes The game system

comes with Mr. Incredible, Jack Sparrow, and

Sully, which is one character that can be played

in each of the lands. You can't do multiplayer

except for in Toy Box with those characters.

Now, when they release the separate game packs,

they come with two characters and the crystal

to unlock those worlds. So, Target had them for

50 % off the week they came out, so I bought

the Cars world and I bought the Lone Ranger world.

So it comes with, the Cars world comes with Holly

from Cars 2 and Lightning McQueen and then the

crystal to unlock the Cars universe, which the

Cars universe is all racing. It's a lot of fun.

I hate racing games, but I love this. But I also

know Mike has a profound hate for cars in general.

Where I have kids that are of the age that enjoy

it so I've been subjected to it To the point

where I almost have to be okay with it But it's

favorite Pixar movie yeah, I find the Cars world

to be immensely fun and really humorous and kind

of cool The Lone Ranger pack however haven't

even opened it so one thing I haven't opened

since I bought it Because the kids don't know

who the fuck the Lone Ranger is I have no idea.

I'll probably play it eventually. But the unfortunate

thing about that is, yeah, you bought those things,

but it's just weird because you didn't open the

Lone Ranger one, but if the characters were cross

-play, would you have opened the Lone Ranger

one to at least try them out in another world?

Probably not. Because I mean technically I could

pick them up and use them in the toy box, but

I Just really haven't they've been playing Monsters

Inc and the Incredibles so much on There that

they just really haven't had interest in the

other stuff. They've barely touched cars And

they played they played pirates and cars the

first day we really had it out and but it's primarily

just been Monsters is what they've been playing

a lot of Be bothering you guys that the contents

on the disk, but you're paying to unlock it like

that used to light people on fire back in the

day Yeah back in the day, but I've also you know,

I I know what Skylanders is and I'm aware of

I'm aware of what it is. It's basically what

it comes down to I know what the money grab is

and it's acceptable to me. Yeah, but I've And

so I'm assuming what will happen is they'll come

out with like two gig updates when the next wave

of figures comes out it'll download everything

no here's here's what's good joe this is probably

where we're gonna lose you so there's a section

in the game called hall of heroes in the hall

of heroes you can anything you've gotten in the

game like unlocks and you get a statue of it

in the game and you can see every single statue

and pedestal and every single game there's a

game description and a video for every single

character that is going to be released in the

first wave of release so I know every single

character that's going to come out because there's

statues of them in the game so I already know

there's going to be a Wreck -It Ralph pack Because

Wreck -It Ralph and Penelope Von Sweets are in

there which aren't available yet. I know there's

going to be a Rapunzel pack for Tangled because

Rapunzel is a statue in there or as a pedestal

in there You don't get the statues until you

actually own the characters I know there's going

to be a Nightmare Before Christmas pack. They've

already announced the Toy Story and Space pack

coming in October, which they'll release buddy

Buzz Woody and Jesse and then the Toy Story game

piece so you can actually play the Toy Story

part and There's no apparent Evidence that it

could be patched to be made bigger. I'm waiting

for like the the Marvel expansion or Star Wars

I think they can eventually do that, but I think

they they have a plan I think for the first year

of release it's That's not exactly how it worked

with Giants. It's how it's working with SwapForce,

though. What they're doing with SwapForce, first

of all, is they have a... What will happen with

Infinity is next year, if it does well, which

apparently it is, next year there will be a new

one. And they'll either sell a disc... just so

you can just play the disc and you can use all

your same characters and the stuff and the portal

that you have at home or they'll do something

completely radical like allow four people to

play at once and you'll have to buy a new portal

which means you'll have to spend $75 all over

again now from Skylanders 1 to Giants you could

use the same portal Now Skylanders Giants characters

did not work on the first Skylanders, but all

the characters that you bought for Skylanders

worked on Giants. Now with the Swap Force, what

they're doing is all the Skylanders 1 and the

Skylanders 2 will work in Swap Force. The reason,

supposedly, for the new portal is because there's

each... and the reason it's called Swap Force

is because the characters come in two pieces.

You can swap the bodies like the lower half and

the top half and you can make new characters

in the game So you connect two things together

and you throw them on the portal and then you

get like a guy that can fly and Throws fire or

something. I don't I don't really know how that

works But that's but everything that you have

will work They're just telling you that you need

to or you need a new portal in order to have

the new stuff But you can still use all your

old characters. The one discrepancy is Characters

in Skylanders 1 only went to level 10, and in

Skylanders 2, they go to level 15. And so what

they did is they did a lot of reissues with giants

of characters from the first game So you could

they would go to level 15 But they also added

in a lot of neat things like usually if there

was a rerelease of a character They added in

something extra like that character might light

up now when you put it on the stand like I've

got characters that when you put them on it's

not just the base of them that lights up like

there's their eyes light up or they're the flames

on them light up or something like that, so There's

there there's ways for them to make You know

tons of money on this but for me The dlc the

thing the sub being on the disc and having to

go out and buy something unlock it I think that's

a lot different than For some reason to me. It's

a lot different than paying five dollars for

like an unlock key I can pay five dollars and

I get like a little statue. That's actually pretty

freaking sweet And like I said all all of my

character information stays on that statue So

even though I have sold back my Wii U and I've

given back, you know all that stuff If I get

swap for is I can throw those characters in there

and I have they're they're still at level 15

So I get to keep all that stuff But plus I get

something tangible to either hold or display

for my five dollars versus like a hundred kilobyte

key Saying that I can Have access to content

and I guess it's different to if those little

things are saving your content The little statues

are I don't know. Apparently they're not doing

that on infinity I was going to say I haven't

paid enough attention to know if they do or not.

Well, I hope they do. That would be sweet. I

agree, especially with the 13 of them staring

at me girl. I don't even know if I have that

many Skylanders. Well, it's here's the problem.

I wouldn't have bought as much shit as I bought

if it wasn't for the fact that everybody seemed

to have a fucking sale on them. Because I bought

the game at Best Buy. Because it came with a

free booster pack holder Because that was the

best deal that I found but then Toys R Us was

doing a buy one get one half off everything for

the first week so I ended up going in there and

buying the sidekicks three pack and Then buying

the villains three pack because those were the

best deals So I got I spent 30 bucks on one three

pack, but then I only spent 16 on the other And

then right there you're at $116. Yeah, and it's

and the characters are 14 bucks apiece by themselves

So it made way more sense to buy the three packs

than to buy That right there that right there

is interesting Because the Giants and Skylanders

are $15 and the regular characters are like 10

But if all the Disney Infinity characters are

15, that's interesting Yeah, and then the boosters

are five bucks apiece Unless you bought them

at Toys R Us and then they were By one for $4

.99 you get a second for a buck Are the booster

things like one and done like you never have

to put it back on the pedestal So you can trade

them at school like trading cards or do you have

to keep putting them on the pedestal? You have

to keep putting them on the pedestal like the

power -ups are kind of cool But the toy box ones

are kind of bullshit The power -up ones are of

course are the harder ones to find that seems

kind of which they're the little circles What

you do is you take your character off you put

the circle down and then you put your character

on top of the circle And they get like a buff

Like I have a fix -it Felix Fix -it Felix is

golden hammer, which gives you a health buff

that right there sounds like their portal is

like the swap force portal Possibly because yeah,

you can put the boosters down and then put the

characters on top of the boosters and they get

added abilities But like I I you know, I I can't

knock I would never knock infinity because I

like Skylanders so well and it's I think my big

pull towards infinity was Like anything allowing

you to buy them. I was more so that I got an

Incredibles game And I could play a Syndrome,

which I'm horribly delighted by. Because that

was the whole reason I had to buy the Villains

3 pack, was the fact that it had Syndrome, Randall,

and Davy Jones. I could have given a crap about

Davy Jones and Randall, but I wanted Syndrome.

Do you want to talk about Killzone for the 10

minutes that you played it? Sure. So, the Killzone

Beta opened up to PlayStation Plus members. Next

week is going to open up to everybody. It's on

Vita. Joe, just so we can clarify that, since

you seemed confused earlier. Oh, yeah. It's not

the first first -person shooter to be released

on the Vita, but compared to Call of Duty Declassified,

it doesn't blow ass. It is gorgeous. Very beautiful,

beautiful looking game. There's only one map

in the beta. And the multiplayer is kind of interesting

because it's like three minutes, I want to say

it's like three minute rounds. It's five rounds

with three minute rounds and the objective changes

every single round. And you get You don't really

earn XP in the game you earn money so you get

money for kills But then also you have a playing

card aside to your character and if you die you

drop a playing card So if the enemy comes over

there and picks up the playing card they get

bonus money If you recover it you get bonus money,

so you can it's kind of like the dog tags and

call the duty And the more money you earn the

more weapons you can unlock the more ranks you

can unlock But it also when you play the single

-player mode any money you earn in the single

-player mode can be spent towards stuff for the

multiplayer mode And it's It's a little hard

to getting used to playing a first -person shooter

on that small of a screen because I'm not used

to doing it and It's It's it's a lot of it like

I said, I spent 10 minutes with it It's it's

a little hard getting used to the control out.

There's no for the multiplayer. There's no This

is how you do this. It's this is a beta They

throw you directly into a firefight and you got

to figure your shit out as you go There's been

some interesting cut touch control scenarios

because if somebody sneaks up on you and tries

to knife you if you happen to turn into it there's

a mini touch control thing that pops up that

if you Do the configuration that shows up on

the screen with your finger quick enough you

can actually block somebody coming up to silently

kill you and You kick them off and then that

stuns them and then you can shoot them Which

I thought that was kind of a cool a thing. They

also have it instead of like hitting a button

to swap your gun which you can do. They've basically

done workarounds for a lot of the buttons. Any

touch control thing that they put on there if

you don't want to use touch control there's a

physical button to do it as well which a lot

of the games in the early stages of the PS Vita

those options weren't there. Everything kind

of forced towards touch control in a lot of the

games, but there wasn't a physical button to

get around that because some people just don't

care for that. But there's a touch spot button

to quickly swap your weapons, but there's also

a button that you can swap your weapons. It's

positioned in such a place that it's very easy

It's easier to almost touch the screen than it

is to do the button swap And it's very off to

the side and kind of a part of your HUD and so

you don't really notice it, which was kind of

cool The and I didn't I only had two guns I haven't

Done enough played enough to unlock weapons any

meaningful weapons yet, but everybody has like

way fucking better weapons than me There's a

fucking sniper rifle slash rocket launcher in

the game That I was just getting my shit owned

by those guys know where Sorry, but where is

this because I looked for it. I Got it. I got

an email sent directly to me. Oh Okay, they had

a code in it If you tech check the PlayStation

Vita hub on the What the hell's that? The Vita

chant. I'm sorry the PlayStation Vita channel

on the PlayStation Store There isn't like a link

in there somewhere. I don't access anything for

the Vita on my PlayStation I do it all through

the Vita. Okay Well I went on to try and download

it so maybe I could attempt to play it or play

it with you and I ended up grabbing The Walking

Dead instead. Well, I know it opens, if you can't

get on, I know it opens publicly for one week

before the game drops next week. So we can at

least try it out for a week. I like it. I mean,

so far it's enjoyable, but I need to spend more

time with it before I can formulate an opinion.

I don't know if it's... Don't know if I'm so

hyped about it that I'm willing to run out and

spend 40 bucks in two weeks when it comes out

Does it play like kill zone? I've never played

a kill zone game before. Oh, okay. So that comparison

is lost on me Okay, which I heard today at work

that I need to play kill zone 3 because it's

really well done but uh We'll see about that.

I got some other games to get through. I think

I own both of them if you want to borrow them

I'll be okay with that Because if I if I actually

enjoy killzone 3 I might have to actually pick

up shadowfall for some reason It does not surprise

me that I own a game that I have not played I

Don't several games that I haven't played. I

have dragon age 2 which is still in the shrink

wrap and I've had it for about a year and a half

Okay, just keep it in event and 20 years 20 years

are we available for like eight dollars on a

virtual console? Yeah, you'll have you'll have

people who like physical objects. Oh, they're

shrink -wrapped. That's true That's like when

I sold those GameCube games that were shrink

-wrapped that I bought a GameStop that I never

played I was like hit these games are really

shitty games I wonder if I can get any money

for them on eBay and then I got like 40 bucks

a pop for all of them And I was like these were

not that good a games like battalion wars for

Christ sakes It was fucking terrible I sold that

for 40 bucks shrink -wrapped People like shrink

wrap brand new games and people like setting

off fireworks, especially since I picked it up

for eight bucks Profits damn it Damn it your

face. No people are setting off fireworks. Oh,

I thought you were smacking your head up against

your desk. Nope So well, it's a good thing it's

like the fourth it should Nothing. Never mind.

Anyways, let's not give them any more credit

than what they deserve um joe have you been playing

anything i couldn't remember yeah i actually

finally you know i don't know how many years

late started playing bio shock how is that going

i well one it's terrifying and uh i don't i don't

like that kind of pop and scare stuff so but

i really really really want to get through it

because it's bio shock and everybody says it's

the greatest game of all time i Oh, let's see

story wise maybe you can tell me how far I am

through the game. I just got through the Plant

area and got the sap and the water and all that

stuff and brought it to the lady she killed her

sir died in the thing when I tried to bring it

back to her and And I think I'm just a little

ways beyond that. Have you met Andrew Ryan yet?

No Okay, you Not that far. Yeah, probably about

35 % through the game. Okay 40 maybe Are you

playing with the lights on Joe? Yes with my wife

in the back typing and laughing. I'm trying because

good lord Who was the who's the guy that's talking

to you all the time would you kindly pick up

the wrench? Forgot that dude's name. I can't

think of his name either for the life of me right

now Fontaine Yeah, no, that's the fishery guy.

Oh, sorry And that's well, that's one of my criticisms

that that all of these characters are having

this big bit of drama play out and it's playing

out through that little radio transmitter and

if I'm supposed to be paying attention to that

it's really hard to listen to that when I'm you

know, in the middle of combat or walking around

and there's environmental sounds going on that

I should be paying attention to. So I hope I'm

not missing anything about the relationship between

this Fontaine and the Ryan character and then

the little guy who I don't know his name either.

That's Bioshock. Yeah, I I'm I'm not taken by

it yet, but I'm going to reserve judgment until

I actually beat the game. Kind of have had a

couple of things spoiled for me here and there,

but I don't think you know the important stuff

I'm sure I've forgotten by now, but I my first

impressions Are that it's it doesn't hold up

this game was good when it came out, but I don't

I I'm not The the whole careful Joe you might

upset people that don't listen to our podcast

yeah, I know The the utopian Here's all of my

Thoughts on these posters. I mean, it's all really

thought -provoking stuff if you're What's the

word an and ran follower Yeah, or well if you're

12 years old and you're all about anarchy and

rebelling, you know, like oh, this is really

poignant stuff No, it's not there. This is This

doesn't mean anything. It's not gonna change

anything or in spite. It's a You know, I don't

I'm not buying the message for it yet And I guess

I haven't gotten wrapped up into it. So I'm hoping

that by the end it will either make sense Capture

me emotionally or you know, I'm afraid that it's

going to let me down as something that they want

to be poignant and but it's important but it's

not is the atmosphere or the time period wrapping

you up at all because sometimes I think that

has a lot to do with why something might be a

big deal I would really love some time to actually

enjoy the setting to look around and say oh wow

look at outside the bubbly windows I can see

the but the game doesn't give me a chance because

it's either pushing me on to the next thing or

I'm getting attacked by things I never had that

problem in that game I mean I literally spent

more time I think exploring and looking around

the environment than anything else because I

never felt rush to go anywhere I mean yeah the

arrow pops up and it's like go this way and I

would just say fuck you I want to look what's

over here and I I spent more time exploring than

anything else in that game just because I to

me the thing that I loved more than anything

about that game was the environment and the way

that world felt in Just was fun to explore and

things were fun to look at and I opened every

goddamn drawer in that entire goddamn game Well,

maybe maybe Joe's just more susceptible to Games

telling him what to do. Yeah, I am and a game

like Grand Theft Auto when when you finish a

mission It says, hey, you've got to go do this

thing next, but you've actually got to go activate

the mission. And so I feel like I can lollygag

around the city and buy a hot dog and jump off

that ramp. But when I complete a task and one

of the characters jumps on and says, oh, my God,

I need help in this other room. Please get to

that section and grab the key and come over there.

And the arrow pops up. I feel like I've got to

do it. And I'm waiting for the game to give me

an opportunity to go back and play. I mean, I

might. I mean, my brain knows that I could probably

just take my time. The guy's not gonna die because

then that would end the story. But my psychology,

in my heart, the pressure, the heartbeat, that

sort of thing tells me I've gotta get there quick.

And I usually follow that just to stay with the

emotional journey that the game wants to take

me on. I can get behind that. I see both ways

about what you're talking about. Yeah, me too.

A game eggs you on, but then a game like Grand

Theft Auto where you get to start your mission.

I mean, that's kind of like the way it is in

Assassin's Creed, where it's like, go to this

point when you want to start your next mission.

But it especially bothered me in Assassin's Creed

3 when, you know, everything's kind of on a timetable

with like all the wars and stuff like that. And

you hear about so -and -so is marching on this

battlefield. You have to go and stop it. And

then you spend like the next Day like the real

real time right in the real world you spend the

next day doing side quests and then you go see

what happens and it's like Nothing has happened

until you get there. It's yeah I don't know.

But yeah, I I don't know. I kind of agree with

Danner But for me for me when I when I did play

Bioshock I wouldn't move on to the next area

right away because I was still trying to Get

my wits about me and in some situations. So I

was like, okay, I've cleared this area out I'm

going to take a minute, catch my breath, and

I'm going to look at everything. Have you done

the theater thing yet? No theaters, no. Oh God,

that's my favorite part of the game. Theater.

And I haven't seen the poppin' scare that we

talked about the last time we did the podcast

with the scarecrow -looking guy who just appears

behind you. I haven't found that yet. Have you

done the dentist's office yet? Dentist's office,

yes. Okay, because I was going to say that's

pretty early in the game. Yeah that pissed me

off in a fun way. I just I hope that it doesn't

play off like uh like it feels like it's going

to play off and and maybe I'll feel like going

back and exploring um but I sometimes I just

don't want to go back because I know there's

bad guys that I've forgotten about and that they're

gonna pop out and scare me. I don't like being

scared. I want you to play When you get done

with this, I really want you to play Bioshock

2 because I want to know if you get the feel

that I got out of it, which is the they establish

the fact that you're a big daddy from the beginning.

And it kind of has that. I want to say, I almost

want to say Mike's the one who said this before,

but I could be wrong that you get that whole

it's like playing your game as Batman. the things

that would be scary in the first time around

are not nearly as scary because you're playing

is one of the most badass things in the game

and it kind of takes a little bit of the edge

off where like when you play a Batman game and

there's easily situations that you get into that

in Arkham Asylum or Arkham City that any other

character you would be playing you you know would

probably be a little on edge but you're playing

freaking Batman so it's kind of hard to be You

do listen to me. I do listen every once in a

while. Oh, my gosh. Wow. I am. I am amazed. Because

I said that when we were talking about Tomb Raider.

Yep. So, Joe, have you played any more of that?

Tomb Raider. Beat it. Yeah, beat it. Got it back

to art. I enjoyed that game. It got a little

weird at the end there, but I wouldn't. I don't

think that took anything away from the important

parts about that game which is Lara's transformation

and kind of being reborn and I think there were

a lot of metaphors that most people who would

have played that game didn't get like I I I felt

like the she gets thrown down the pit and when

she's crawling through the blood and the skulls

and the gore and the And and the cesspool of

whatever that still sacrifice have been going

on she comes out the other end that that's a

really a rebirth or a birth metaphor for her

and Coming out tougher on the other side. We'll

see my Laura my Lara was a stone cold killer

before that happened so I See what you're talking

about, but but my she was because it's a game

But I think if they made that into a movie that

would be the moment where she comes back. That's

the Rambo moment. Yep Like cuz it can't get any

worse than that you're crawling through human

Parts it's like okay psychologically. I'm broken

and everything else is easy now would that be

a game of the year contender for you No, not

even close, but a really a good game that I would

point to people and say hey this game not feminist

or not anti -woman I guess I mean it is feminist

in that sort of way, but But no not game of the

year to it pushed that repetitive Awful thing

that I don't like it got close to that Well speaking

of you know, Bioshock and game of the year stuff

I played a game I'm excited to hear about this

because I've heard nothing It's called gone home

It's made by the Fulbright company and a little

interesting tidbit about the Fulbright company.

It's about four people Two of them came from

2k irrational and two of them came from 2K Marin.

That is my understanding of the company. The

two guys that came from 2K Marin, they were somewhat

responsible for Minerva's Den, which apparently

is some of the best Bioshock gameplay ever. I

first heard about it last week, and then I got

to one of the podcasts I listened to. The guys

were just... Falling all over themselves talking

about this and so I went to see how much it was

and what it was available on And so only it's

on Steam right now. It's available on Windows

Mac and Linux and Until today it was $18 now.

It's 20 because it was on sale I played it in

one sitting. I played it yesterday. What's yesterday?

No, it wasn't yesterday. I played it Monday It

took me about three hours to get through you

play a character Name Katie and the game is set

in the summer of 1995 You've been abroad for

a year and in that year your family has moved

to a new house So when you come home From being

abroad you show up at a new house that you've

never been in before it's about 1 a .m. There's

a thunderstorm and Nobody is home So The idea

behind the game is you have to explore this home,

this house that you've never been in, and you

have to figure out where your parents are, or

what happened to your family, for the most part.

Why is nobody home? And it's got that, it's a

really atmospheric game, I felt. It's a first

-person game, point and click, kind of... Everything

in the environment that can be touched is Interactive

you can interact with it like you can open up

drawers and they'll be like sharpies and stuff

in there you can like pick them up and throw

them all over the house and You can open up the

refrigerator in the kitchen and there's you know

condiments and other things you'd find in a refrigerator

And you can take all those things out Throw them

everywhere. Yep point and click 3D point and

click drawings on a two dimensional screen surface.

Point and click 3D. It's first. It's a first

person shooter without the gun. OK. And you explore

this house and you slowly find out a little bit

of history about the house. You find out like,

you know, that about the dad and what's going

on with the dad's life, what's going on with

the mom's life and the story. The main narrative

is the her is Katie's sisters. Sam it's her it's

her story every once in a while you'll pick up

a trinket in the environment usually it's not

cue kind of like the box of phones in infinite

or a camera with or just the recordings in Bioshock

And they cue you in you can find those and you

just you search the house and there's lots of

little cool There's cool little things because

it's sent in the 90s and like you go into the

the family room And you see like a bookshelf

full of books and all the books on the shelf

are actual titles And you see like a stack of

VHS tapes and you can read the spines as to what's

recorded on them and they say like they say like

X -Files season 1 episodes 1 through 6 And then

there's like I don't JFK and the dark crystal

like you know two movies on one VHS tape because

everybody did that There's like tons of that

stuff all over the place And it's it's kind of

hard to talk about the game without spoiling

it because you don't want to spoil You know it's

it's kind of hard to explain what what what it

is, but it's The entire game unfolds really naturally

like parts of the house are unlocked like when

you first come in there's the foyer and there's

like the family room and You can see the doors

that go to the basement and you can see the doors

that go to the attic but they want you to explore

in a certain air in the thing in a certain way

and Narratively everything works out and you

eventually you find the keys to unlock those

doors and you get to explore the basement and

there's more stuff down there to look through

and you get some of the history of the house.

One of the neat things that people have brought

up about the game is well they talk about how

in a lot of games like first person shooters

and stuff you end up and especially Uncharted

gets blamed for this a lot. You are playing a

guy that's supposed to be a hero but you end

up murdering You end up being a mass murderer

Because this is the way the gameplay is designed

and In this game, it's all about it's all about

exploring your environment and so when you go

from room to room your turn it you have to turn

the lights on in each room and You turn the lights

on and then you leave the room. You never think

to shut them off Well, eventually you find a

bulletin board in the in the sister's bedroom

and it's like Samantha. You need to remember

the turn the lights off You're costing us too

much money It's just a little nod to like flesh

out getting yelled at by your dad Yeah, and like

flesh out like game mechanics like you are turning

on the lights in the house, but you never think

to shut them off Because you're just playing

a video game But I I really liked it by the time

it was all over it had that It reminded me a

lot of like how I felt when I was done playing

flower or journey Because it's a story that pretty

much I I don't know I don't I think if you can't

relate to the story on some level Then you're

probably not a human being But yeah, I highly

recommend playing it it like I said it's on Mac

and PC and it's about 20 bucks I Mean if you

think if 20 bucks is too much for three to four

hours of gameplay. That's that's fine, but I

Definitely gonna be on you know when we do our

top five list for the end of the year, it's definitely

going to be on there. I actually enjoyed that.

I enjoyed that three hours more than the last

of us. I thought the atmosphere was was pretty

creepy because they do a really good job of putting

you in a really old house. So I'm really is it

creepy? Is it scary? No, there's no jump scares,

no nothing. In fact, it's more it's. The scares

in it are more like Silent Hill -ish. It's more

about what you make up than what's actually in

the game. Like, for example, I was one of the

first things I did when I was walking down a

long hallway, there was just a, I don't know

what you'd call it, just a table that you put

in a hallway and it's got some drawers in it.

And I walked up to the table and I clicked on

it and I opened up the drawer and you know that

I picked up a photo and I pulled it up and I

was looking at the photo and I heard like this

because playing with headphones on and I heard

this like And I thought I heard like a couple

steps after that and so I like threw the picture

back in the drawer I looked down both sides of

the hallway and I was like the hell was that

And I walked down to the end of the hallway and

I looked around the corner and I didn't see anything

I looked back in the in the in the tv room I

didn't see anything and I looked back in the

foyer and I didn't see anything and I was like

oh man It's like there's somebody else in here

with me um But no it was and that happened quite

a few times, but You know, it's it's there's

no there's no jump scares. It's all about like

what the game makes you think Um, and that's

usually worse than what's that that's that's

worse than what's actually in the game Well,

I'm convinced I want to play it but unfortunately

my computers don't run games anymore. Well, you

know what? Maybe when I come out for Grand Con

I can bring my computer and You can sit down

and play it. Okay, only if it's not heavy. It's

in some Macintosh. It can't be that heavy No,

we can even hook it up to your TV and plug a

360 controller into it. Okay, so Totally worth

playing So that's all I've got Anything anyone

have anything they want to add real quick before

we take a break have I don't know I was interested

because That's what I'm looking forward to most

this year the the multiplayer trailer for Grand

Theft Auto 5 We don't talk about that an hour

later We can talk about in the next half, okay

Alright, we'll take a break and we'll be back.

All right, we're back on the other side on this

side we're gonna talk Joe wanted to talk a little

bit about the Grand Theft Auto multiplayer I

want to hit on games come just a smidge and Then

we've got Joe's question. Hopefully it won't

be anything too heavy. I Don't think so So Grand

Theft Auto online. Yeah The trailer dropped I

believe earlier this week Last last Thursday,

okay Don't remember when I got to watch it, but

it was after you recorded so Boy is that's I

think from the looks of that video that that

looks like The type of multiplayer that we've

wanted from a Grand Theft Auto game since Grand

Theft Auto 3 Multiplayer I think I don't know

they haven't touched on it yet, or maybe you

guys have heard something. I haven't that Through

the story mode where you're playing the three

main characters whose names I don't know yet

I don't think they've said something else if

that's Online co -op yet. No so far. I think

you can only just leap between the three of them

Yeah, it's there's no there's no announced co

-op It is jump between the three of them or not

you can choose to play as one of them all the

way through the game That's kind of cool, too

but multiplayer from that video it You know,

I'm kind of reading between the lines and looking

at the pictures It looks like there is its own

kind of story mode where you're building yourself

as the gangster with your little team of lackeys

doing Preset missions and then there's also you

know, you turn that off and you just go bonkers

with jets downtown fake LA but oh my god, I I

Haven't I haven't felt this excited for a new

game since AC3, Assassin's Creed 3, and that

was a huge disappointment, but I don't think

Grand Theft Auto V is going to be a disappointment

for me. See, I can see myself buying Grand Theft

Auto V, especially after the multiplayer announcement,

but I don't see myself playing Grand Theft Auto

V, I see myself playing GTA Online. Like, that's

one of the things, like, I don't, I don't know,

there are certain games that I can, I know that

I can sit down and play by myself. Then there

are certain games that it's like if it doesn't

have a multiplayer component to it like it's

usually a cooperative Element to it and I can't

get somebody else to buy it. I'm It I'm not gonna

pay attention to it And Grand Theft Auto has

been that for like the Grand Theft Auto 5 ever

since it was announced Has been that right up

until they announced the online part So I and

it's you and like 15 lackeys I'm wondering if

there's a way to like make it friends only so

it could be you know Just you and like you know

for people I'm sure if not like an open game

and everyone gets to jack stuff up, so Well,

I how quickly those games in Grand Theft Auto

4 the online games devolved once you got the

wrong mix of people in a room and All of a sudden

your fun little Experiment in the park over in

Queens. It turns into murder fast You know you're

trying to jump these cars and launch them over

a glitch, but then it's killing each other well

see I don't think that this is I don't think

GTA online is like Like a multiplayer and like

the way that we're thinking about it. I think

it I think GTA online is more Cooperative because

as they said it's a persistent ever -evolving

online world Kind of like you know Lack of a

better way to say it. I guess would just be to

call it like an MMO with 16 people on a server

I'm oh man. I'm so excited about that video got

me really jived up and I'm actually Sitting on

enough money that I could probably go pre -order

that and not hurt myself. I think I might have

to do that tomorrow I'm a I'm still on the fence.

I don't know why I'm still on the fence, but

I will I don't know more than like they probably

pick it up because I I'm itching for Something

meaty to play and if you if you end up getting

it then I probably will because I like playing

online Yeah, I don't know how I'm gonna feel

about wanting to go through the story versus

the time that I'm spending online But then again,

you know, we're not always online at the same

time So I could find if you pick it up at launch

you're gonna have no choice but just to play

the single -player because the multiplayer component

doesn't release until October 1st. Yeah, that's

true. Might just have to wait until October 1st

to pick that up. I might beat it by then. See,

there you go. Thanks for pointing that out. I

knew that, but forgot. No problem. That's what

I'm here for. The voice of some reason. The question

is, are you going to buy it? Oh, God, I just

spent 200 bucks on Disney Infinity. No, I'm not

going to buy it. Okay. I can't get him to buy

games I want to play with him, so... And plus

November 15th is coming. Says the guy that just

dropped $200 on video games. And November 15th

is coming. I'm already onto the next generation.

So, games come. Well, the first half of yesterday

was kind of dismal because Microsoft was stealing

everything left and right. Now they've since

they've reversed their policies on everything

now they have no choice but to actually just

define their policies and you know tell people

about what they're gonna do and this that and

the other thing and now they're allowing self

publishing on the Xbox one and the 360 and They

have an indie development program where you have

to sign up get an application for And they'll

send you stuff And although and then even then

their indie thing is kind of half -baked because

They still get to set the price of your game

Versus like iOS the Android app store and the

PlayStation Network Where the developer sets

the price of their game? Microsoft it says that

you can suggest a price for your game But we

will decide what the actual price of your game

is going to be And chances are they'll probably

be they'll probably be identical But they're

taking it's not you know, the final say is not

in developer hands, which I think is kind of

why okay if you're gonna go If you're gonna dip

your big toe in why not just fall all the way

in but Whatever and then EA had their little

showing and they didn't really show anything

new the one thing I did notice in you know, start

comparison to like past E3s, and not necessarily

this year's E3, but like last year's E3 and other

EA events, usually the PlayStation has been mentioned

in some capacity. This year, there wasn't, they

only mentioned, it was like Xbox One this, Xbox

One that, time exclusives this, time exclusives

that. And there was one mentioning of the PS3

and the PS4 in passing, and that's when they

were talking about Battlefield 4 and the upgrade

path. Like, if you start a game on, you know,

if you start playing Battlefield 4 on the PS3,

then it moves to the PS4 when you buy the PlayStation

4 version. And the Xbox One does that too, so

it's kind of like, oh, here we have to mention

that both things do it. So that's the only time

the PlayStation was mentioned during their conference.

And if you read the text conversation that Danner

and I had yesterday, it was kind of crazy just

that Sony wasn't getting mentioned in a third

-party company. There was little to no mention

of them. And I was hoping that Sony would have

something to bring. Because Microsoft, as much

as they've kind of you know, blundered their

launch epically, or their message epically, not

their launch, but... I think they've done both.

Well, they haven't launched yet, but they've

also said that they're not going to be able to

meet every single country that they had planned,

so apparently their launch is going to be somewhat

of not good. It's not the 33 countries that Sony's

hitting. Yeah. So it's less than the smallest

of countries they already announced. It's like

12. It's launching in 12 countries at some point

in November and not Japan and a lot of the European

countries aren't getting it Guaranteed that they

won't be launching in November 15. Yes. Well

not guaranteed they still could That would be

interesting it would be now I the the one thing

that Microsoft has done in the last two weeks

is they've gotten with Amazon and they've gotten

with GameStop to offer an upgrade to start an

upgrade program for gamers that, you know, buy

a title that's going to be, you know, cross gen.

The biggest one is with GameStop, whereas if

you if you buy Call of Duty Ghost or Battlefield

or Watch Dogs or Assassin's Creed four. because

some of those games come out before the next

gen launches. If you buy them because you want

to play them, you can trade them in for $50 credit

and buy the next gen version for 10 bucks. In

patient. And some of those things like I can

understand, like the battlefield crowd wanting

to do that, and I can understand Call of Duty

wanting to do that. But Watch Dogs and Assassin's

Creed 4, like I don't know if those saves carry

over. They've already confirmed that Battlefield

and Call of Duty, those stats. will transfer

over to the next generation. So like if you got

Ghost on November 5th, when it comes out, you

know, you'd get like a two, three week head start

on everybody and then you spend your money upgrade,

get the get the next edition. Ten days, not two

weeks. Well, OK, fine. Sorry. But a lot of people

can probably prestige a couple of times in that,

you know. So but they get to play with that character.

They don't have to start all over from scratch

They get to play with that character on the next

-gen console when they pick it up And they only

have to pay $10 more like I can understand how

hardcore Call of Duty fans would want to do that

But I think that's a real I thought that was

a really interesting move for them because I

don't I I Mean, you know, it's been eight years,

but I don't think that happened last generation.

Did it guys? Oh, no. Oh, no, not at all So I

thought that was a pretty interesting idea and

Sony was keeping their mouths shut on that. It's

like Microsoft Yeah, they were and Danner said

that they were desperate and it's kind of like,

you know It's they yeah, they screwed up and

they know that they screwed up and it's kind

of like, okay How what can we do to possibly

make this right for everybody and it's like there

they were Throwing everything at the wall to

see what would stick, you know the upgrade program

the you know, the indie support all that stuff

They're just they're back peddling on some of

it and yeah, they're listening like Phil Spencer

said they're they're they're listening And apparently

Sony wasn't listening, but I happen to think

that if you were listening to begin with, like

Sony was, you would never have gotten yourself

in this problem. Oh, great. I think they're taking

advantage of their core audience, which are impatient,

lazy idiots. So. At about 1 p .m. Eastern, Sony

got up on stage and I don't. Did you watch their

conference at Aldaner? No, I was doing this thing

called working when I work. I actually have to

work. Whatever you're whatever that is. So it

started off like this really, really pretentious

thing. I was like, oh, my God, what are you doing,

Sony? Because it was it was the president of

Sony sitting in a high back leather chair facing

away from the crowd. And I'm like, what is going

on? and then he started up the PlayStation 4

like you got to see it turn on and it goes to

the dashboard and it showed him browsing around

and the XMB is not completely gone it's just

hidden like it's the very bottom layer of the

dashboard but one of the neat things that he

did that he showed off was he was browsing around

seeing what friends were online and he could

see live streams of all the games that his friends

were playing while they were playing and he went

and spectated a Killzone match At the bottom

of the screen it said do you want to join this

and he clicked join and it threw him right in

that game Like the game that he was just spectating

he joined it I thought that was really neat and

then of course he posted like a picture or a

screenshot thing from there to Twitter and then

he went and Then the conference started and it

started with another really pretentious showing

of Gran Turismo 6 And then they got in the nitty

-gritty of everything and it was like indie this

indie that indie everything They didn't show

off any new big games like There were there were

a few but they were just like trailers this time

where the other ones were Like they were cinematic

gameplay videos A lot of indie games like Fez

and Hotline Miami 2 There's like a free -to -play

little big planet coming They lowered the price

of the Vita, they lowered the price of the memory

cards, and the memory cards are still a joke.

All models of the Vita are now $200. Yay! Then

they showed off the cross -play between the Vita

and the PS4 using Assassin's Creed. And I think

that was like the first time... I think they

showed that off in February with Knack. But they

didn't show a handoff. I think they just showed

a guy playing neck on the Vita off of a PlayStation

4 This one it was a really neat demo because

they had one guy come up on stage, and he was

playing Assassin's Creed 4 which looks amazing

even on a stream and Seamlessly he was like another

guy came up on stage that had a Vita and he handed

off the control from You know the screen to the

Vita and then the guy was playing the exact same

game on his Vita then Sony took a couple more

jabs at Microsoft I saw that jab at the end their

message was consistent throughout and all this

stuff and you know Microsoft responded today

I wish they hadn't I think they should just keep

their mouth shut but their response was at least

we're listening to our consumers Sony was already

listening to their consumers yeah exactly and

then they said that the console would be released

on November 15th which is a Friday and that was

that for Gamescom so far what what else Borderlands

2 on the Vita I could care less I mean I'm intrigued

I would be intrigued if they come out and go

okay it's $60 and you get every single piece

of DLC which they won't I'm wondering if it's

gonna be since it's by a different developer

if it's gonna be almost something completely

different or if it's just gonna be a port I The

description makes it sound like it's just a port

I Don't know like I have so over that game like

there there are days where I literally regret

making a game of the year But then I have to

remember no wait. I'm okay with it being game

of the year for us last year because I liked

the core game I Didn't put it out my game of

the year unless this year guys is probably not

mine Who's playing with something That what is

that I don't know stuff Your jerk he sows your

face So That's all I got There was something

else Joe's question. Yeah, what do you got Joe?

All right Because I'm the retro guy What 8 -bit

or otherwise retro title? Needs a solid reboot

and how would you do it? You know, it's I don't

know if it would count Because it's not I mean

there are other games in the series that aren't

retro that are more recent But when you ask the

question the one that immediately jumped in my

mind was Metroid I Would how do you do it right?

After the beautiful thing that was Metroid Prime.

Yeah, I know I was gonna say I mean I I was hoping

you'd say that because I don't think Metroid

Prime was wrong Me neither, but Metroid Think

is suffering from would suffer from the same

problem that Zelda suffers from where Okay, I

want there. There are things that I expect from

a Zelda game There are things like I get the

treasure and I kill the bad guy with the treasure

at the end of the dungeon Then I get a piece

of the triforce or something and then I go on

to the next dungeon So you have to balance that

way. I think we just talked about this last show

How do you? Balance satisfying my desires without

being just a rehash of the same old formula I

I mean, I don't even know personally I the other

reason this jumped to my mind is because I was

actually asking pondering the idea of doing a

Look at Metroid with you guys on a future show

because there aren't that many games in that

franchise And it's actually my favorite Nintendo

franchise, but I don't know I would like to see

it go 2D again, especially on the 3DS. And I'm

kind of amazed that, like, Super Metroid never

got a Game Boy Advance release. Yeah! Like, almost

every other big Super Nintendo game got one,

but Super Metroid never did. I mean, it's on

the Wii U Virtual Console, and I think it's on

the Wii Virtual Console as well, but it never

got a port. It's never been ported. I don't know,

maybe I just want more Metroid Prime. And especially

after playing, what is the zombie game that came

out for the Wii U? Zombie U. Zombie U, thank

you. Especially after playing the demo for that,

I really would like a Metroid game. If they made

a Metroid game on it, I would totally suffer

through my wife's eye rolling and buy another

Wii U. um I Don't know dinner. What do you got?

Metro it's hard because it's already good. I

want a remake of Burger time with a crossover

of Hell's Kitchen and make Gordon Ramsay the

chef in the game on the week Yes With motion

controls galore. Yes cooking mama on steroids

Pretty much with an M rating. No. No, the answer

was how do you make it good? Put corner Ramsey

in it. That's how you make it good connect support

connect. Everything's better with connect Stop

it until you curse out loud to get bonus points

and buffs So so that was that was my fake one

I don't like in seriousness. I don't man I Would

like to see once again, it's I would like to

see a Zelda game, which already a franchise that

has been beaten to death, done in the style of

Skyrim or Fallout, that open world adventure

RPG. First person? First person. Was gonna I'd

almost take a zelt I'd almost take a zelda game

that looked like the Assassin's Creed Yeah, I

think I'd almost rather see it in a Skyrim ask

type of fallout style type I Actually agree with

that and I think that is what that franchise

needs to both stay fresh and to Move on and I

think from there it could still honor the old.

Yeah Well, it's kind of what happened with Metroid

Prime it needs that dingy grittiness that Those

games have no Nintendo game has that no Nintendo.

I mean don't get Metroid Prime has it has it

No, no, no, no. It didn't have it because when

Retro, or what was that? Retro Studios went to

Nintendo with all of their concept art for it.

They had the armor dirty and splotched up and

jacked up and you could repair it. But otherwise,

when you're crawling through muck, it comes out

covered in muck. And Nintendo said, no, it needs

to look pristine all the time. But you know what

though? The environment was still gritty, especially

when you're going through the down pirate ship.

That was awesome. That's like that. The environment

was still... There was you know it was still

Yeah, it she might have stayed pristine, but

there was still something worn They're so where

in in that game. You know what they need it needs

to be Metroid Prime Dead Space No, cuz then I

couldn't play and I can't play it. Oh No, you

know what though. Here's the thing I might be

able to play that because I'd be playing a Samus

Aran. Yeah Batman syndrome right there. Well,

yeah, you'd go through that Oh, man, that's one

of my favorite parts about Metroid the beginning

of the game. You're like, oh my god I'm gonna

die. Oh my god, you know Pew pew pew with your

little thing and then you go back and you get

all the stuff and you go through that area and

then you just speed run through it annihilating

everything and That that's one of the best games

for making you feel like you got more powerful

later I I actually have the the we trilogy collection

in the steel case. I Tried playing the first

one And I stopped because it was motion controls.

It was very difficult. That was a bad port You

know what? I also would like to see since we're

talking about remaking a bit franchises into

more modern styles I'd like to see a modern Mega

Man. Oh My god, yes done done almost like in

a Call of Duty Okay, here's the thing I think

the only problem I have with these these these

suggestions like I like them but at the same

time that brown and gray is I'm tired of that

like I I'm visually tired of us like Call of

Duty I'm visually tired of games like battlefield

let me rephrase that Mega Man should be redone

in a halo type of a fashion because halo's gotten

colorful now that it decided to rip off Metroid

Go with the format of pick the bad guy go through

his stage get the power, but it's all third or

first person You know what I would more so do

a combination of take the character and take

the switch it into a first -person style game

Yeah, but take the gameplay style of the Mega

Man legend series or the storytelling of that

series as opposed to doing the level select style

And I want to go back to your your Legend of

Zelda Skyrim suggestion because I've been thinking

this for years and wished I had the time to sit

down with a D20 style book, but I think Legend

of Zelda is directly able to be Translated into

either a pen and paper role -playing game or

a full -on role -playing game. I mean I am I

look at Ocarina of Time and I see I see species

and classes, you know, you have the Zoras, the

Gorons, the Hylians, and even the Kokiri, the

little kids, they're... What do they call them?

They're not elves. What are they? I have no idea.

They're hobbits, whatever. They're halflings.

I think that is just... I could play that game,

and even if... Legend of Zelda Skyrim type RPG

would be You you might not be playing link you

could I mean, maybe there's a part of it where

you would play link But I think there's room

to create your own character and have another

part in in that, you know running around as a

Goron a Goron Meat wall that would be an awesome

thing to do In each one of the species or character

classes would have different abilities inside

the dungeon So you can explore a dungeon one

way with one character, but a different way with

the other characters I just think there's too

much fun to be had there. That is a game Nintendo

will never do. They had too much trouble making

Pikmin 3, so... That's not gonna happen. Did

you play that yet? Because I noticed it was on

the shelf the other day. No. I know you don't

have your Wii anymore. I don't know when it came

out. No, it just came out. It was supposed to

be a launch window game, which means it was supposed

to come out by the end of March, and then when

they... That's one of the reasons why I decided

to get rid of it is when they delayed it to the

fall. I was like, nope, not sticking around,

not holding onto this to wait for that damn thing.

But the reason it was delayed is because Nintendo's

gone on has said publicly that we didn't know

that making HD games was going to be so hard

Way to be oblivious to everything that's going

on around you Funny another funny one for me

master blaster I Don't I'm not familiar with

that game. I vaguely remember a boxing game at

the arcade where you punched it really hard.

I don't think that's not the game that I'm thinking

of. The game that I'm thinking of, you're playing.

It's a 2D. It's a 2D platformer. But instead

of playing a guy, you're actually a vehicle that

can jump. I remember that game. I think it was

awesome. I think the premise of it is, weren't

you like miniaturized and put in your backyard

and you had to go underground? I think so. I

think that was like some part of the premise

of it. I don't know. I just think that what I

think about NES is one of the games that I always

think about is master blaster It's another game.

They sure we do is a fester's quest Not familiar

with it, you don't remember Adams family family

Okay, I didn't play that many NES games that

didn't have access to a lot of them This should

also remake Splatterhouse It doesn't suck. I'm

gonna say they did I said so it doesn't suck

that was How do you make it not suck? I don't

know because for some reason that that games

have been popular, but it's always sucked I Just

think more games more modern games, especially

first -person shooters. They just need a paintball

mode. I That's the one thing I like to my bull

night Cuz I'm just so over the violence I really

am The violence doesn't even affect me anymore.

It doesn't affect me I'm just like over it like

I wish like I mean halo does it you can put in

like a Basically you put in like a little cheat

when you get a headshot with a guy like funfetti

pops out of his head Like seriously, why can't

I have that and call the duty? I just said the

left because I didn't realize how desensitized

a violence I was until we went and saw kick -ass

to last week And we got out and Andy goes, man,

that was really violent. And I looked at him

go, it was. Yeah. It's like, I didn't notice.

Yes. Of course it was violent. Yes. I didn't

notice. It doesn't bother me. I'm just bored

with it. Like, it doesn't. I don't know. I just

I it's kind of like, you know, they they put

the no violence option in Borderlands. Like,

why? Not put that in other things. I mean, maybe

that's next year. I mean, we got women in Call

of Duty this year. Yeah, um Would you I'll finish

this thought up. I wonder I've thought why is

it that the video the violence thing comes up

in video games? Why are we always? Killing something

we're either killing something by jumping on

a turtle and squirting the turtle out of its

shell or Were first -person shooters. It just

it goes back to that all the time and I don't

I don't know what happened Okay, but you know

what though the jumping on a turtle shell and

squirting out the guy doesn't die immediately

But until you step on him later or throw his

turtle shell back at him I mean there you're

not killing him by jumping on him. Let's just

put it. You're making him homeless Yes, you're

yes, you're evicting him That's one of the things

I liked about going home. It's not there is yeah

That's why I want to play it gone home and journey

like there's no I mean, it's not those things.

They they are removed from that. So that's what

I need from video games. So I think you will

like going home. Anyways, what game would you

pick, Joe? I don't know. I might get flack for

this and I don't know why. You want to remake

Mario, don't you? No. Well, yeah, but not smoking.

That would be awesome. No, no. And a flamethrower.

I wonder how an M -rated Mario would look. No,

no, no, but I want to remake Battletoads. So

it's not balls as hard as you can actually play

it? A little bit. I think it should have retro

mode where it's impossible to beat, but I think

third -person beat them up with the sense of

humor that could come to Battletoads. You know,

I mean the kind of the energy of starting with

yeah, they punch punch punch punch giant anvil.

I think that Type of sense of humor and maybe

slightly self -aware of its video game roots

and the characters talk like that sometimes I

think that would be kind of fun and interesting

and We should get they should get high moon studios

to do it in the same way. They did Deadpool Yeah

If they're still around by then blah blah blah

And I think they, of course, have an online co

-op mode, but I think there should be something

in the game that encourages couch co -op, just

because that was so much a... I mean, that game

was kind of one of the genre, like the Dungeon...

Double Dragon, not Dungeons & Dragons, Double

Dragon, where couch co -op was a major, major

component of it. Yeah, but it was a component

of it because there was no way to put your NES

online. Yeah, but I think we're missing something

by not having a lot of couch co -op games, something

social. Yes, the online is nice and it's convenient

because I get to play with you, Mike, even though

you're 200 miles away. So I don't think the game

should mandate co -op being in person, but I

think there should be something like double XP

for having couch co -op or it unlocks something

else that you can do a different mode. That's

couch well artwork couch co -op the The awesome

destructo mode on red faction is that am I thinking

the right thing yeah? That that was a couch co

-op you couldn't play that multiplayer online

correct correct. That was awesome something like

that a little feature that makes you want to

play it online, but It needs to be remade and

then those idiots calling game stop saying you

have battle toads We can say like shove it we

do it's real Would you like to pre -order it?

Let's do duck hunt Yeah, I don't know I mean

I Don't think neither of you guys liked battle

toads though. Is that do I remember that correctly

like battle toads? It's just balls as hard. It's

not a thing for me We make Ninja Turtles Well,

they did that how as that has is that out yet

the not yet So that's not I mean, I know it's

probably an exclusive window, but that's not

just Xbox only right? No, that's everything I

think And it oh on it though. I almost want to

know if those character models are based on the

Michael Bay movie Do the mice do the sketches

I've seen from Michael Bay movie. I haven't seen

anything from the Michael Bay movie yet nearby

I've seen people that are like twice the size

of like other people on the screen. I have a

feeling they're gonna shrink them in the computer

That's why I Just rewatched her Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles from 1990 the other day I thought

the first one is so good. I bought it on Blu

-ray I quoted that thing line for line all the

way through the movie and scared the crap out

of alley I Can do that too? She's like are you

okay? I'm like Yes. I'm brainwashed. What do

you want from me? I did have a couple Robocop

moments, like Robocop and Batman moments, where,

you know, the last time I watched that movie

was, you know, when I was a teenager, like 12,

13, 14. And there are lines that are either like

kind of mumbled or said with an accent that I

could never quite make out. Um as a kid and that

happened with batman and happened with robocop.

So it was it was it's interesting going back

and watching movies now Uh being older one you

understand a lot more and two you can actually

tell it's a lot a lot easier to tell what they're

actually saying um I can't think of a line right

now at the top of my head, but it was just I

I like going back and visiting old movies that

I haven't seen in forever where you know like

that like a case in like the 1989 batman is like

during the party in the beginning And Gordon

asked, like, who's in charge? And I thought the

guy said, like, Epcot Center. I was like, why

is he saying Epcot Center? And he's saying, like,

Eckhart, sir. I was like, that's not right. And

then, like, another line is, like, when Bob is

talking to Eckhart, and he's like, I answer to

Grissom, not to psychos. But I thought he said,

I answer to Grissom motorcycles. I was a kid.

I was like that doesn't make any sense. Why can't

I tell what you're saying? so I have those moments

with like older movies, but No, it still holds

up. I actually have the alley talked me into

buying the the three pack I haven't watched two

or three and probably won't but it was My son

will someday I'm sure but I love to I don't Anyways

just just for the ninja rap Hey has anyone I

know we're going way out track here has anyone

seen that alternate ending to the first movie

I? Saw that uh ages ago somewhere. I don't remember

where That was that was I saw for the first time

like last week this one reasons why I was prompted

to go out and buy the movie That was that was

that was interesting where he tries to sell the

comics So all right anyone else have anything

they want to add No Sounds good to me If you

want to let us know what NES or you know 8 -bit

16 -bit games you would like to see Remade now,

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