The Spectre of Captain Kidd, The Secret of the Stones, and The Lost Fleet Review

you Hello and welcome to Mass Mayhem from the

GeekCaster Radio Network. I am one of your hosts,

TH1 Mike, and joining me is Tune Master Tim.

Hey there, Mike and listeners. Glad to be with

you. Yes. So we've had four, well, yeah, we've

had four straight releases since the two year

hiatus. We yet to have any new iTunes reviews.

I do have a surprise for the listeners that we

have chatted with. I have chatted with Optimus

Solo, and he will be coming back for episode

30 of Mass Mayhem, which is the finale episode,

because he has all the math. And even though

I'm making records of our scores as we go through,

I'm not adding them up. I'm not multiplying them.

I'm not doing any math at all. So he has all

the math. Yeah, he's good at that. We know that

yeah, he's proven his skill time and time again.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Lots been going on last couple

of weeks GCR and wars came back with episode

12 and 13 episode 12 was something new and different

we hadn't done before yet we did I wasn't a part

of this cuz Wasn't really that into the topic,

but Kevin I was going to solo movie revolt Dan,

Fridley Scent, and Nate from Weekend at the Movies,

formerly MYR Weekly. They did Pirates vs. Ninjas.

Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Then now that's just

is it just basically the genre or is it take

a look at specific movies like Pirates of the

Caribbean? Would have to look at the post honestly,

I don't really remember off the top my head If

anyone's listening to this you can actually go

over to the geek cast radio comm website, which

is obviously geek cast radio comm basically they

compared the traditional uniforms, the traditional

weapons, who has the better traditional symbol.

So it's basically like what we did with Flintstones

and Jetsons or Thundercats and Silverhawks, except

it's overall pirates and ninjas. It's not...

They use... I mean, they compare cartoons that

are based on each of the... each of the franchises

like, you know, for ninja cartoons you got Afro

-Samurai, Samurai Jack, Turtles, for pirates

you've got Black Lagoon, Tailspin, Pirates of

Dark Water, so they compare and contrast a lot

of the stuff. It was a pretty good listen actually.

So that's what's going on there. Lots of stuff

still celebrating the five -year anniversary

of the Heatcast Radio Network. Here in Mass Mayhem.

Things just keep getting more boring Well, I

don't know we have we have a few highlights this

week some some a few changes Yeah, okay. Yes

the changes. I don't know when I say it keeps

getting boring. I mean the plots the plots of

the episodes like I get it this show came out

from 85 to 87 okay that was right around the

time where Raiders of the Lost are mania hit

because of that movie coming out I get it they

want to do treasure hunts here but it's like

oh my god does every single friggin episode have

to be a damn treasure hunt oh I know it I know

it does get tiring you know it's not that I Yeah,

it's not that I dislike I love I love Indiana

Jones and last crusade I Love I love the national

treasure movies. I'm still waiting on the third

one. Damn it. Hurry up turtle -top You know,

I'm still waiting on the third one for national.

I like those movies. I like movies like this,

but when an 80s cartoon consistently You know

what I want I'm actually gonna call Kevin out

if he's if he's listening this out to my solo

I want you to actually count up out of the 75

episodes of mask how many were treasure hunts

or Search for this or search for that or what

count those up and let us know because oh my

god It just seems like there's more and more

of those every time we do one of these recordings

Yeah, you can bank on it. I mean there's gonna

be at least one well Probably more like three

out of three If we do three episodes, it's either

a treasure hunt or they're after some device

That's supposed to make the millions of dollars

or help them take over the world. Yeah Well,

I can tell you today two out of the three Our

treasure hunts and this is Two out of the three

are treasure hunts, ladies and gentlemen, for

today. That's... You know how they usually say

two out of three ain't bad? Two out of three

is very bad in this case. So we're gonna get

to the first episode after this. What in Thunder

4? Well, when I was practicing the breaststroke

underground, I went through a lot of tunnels.

Some of them are connected to the ocean. The

cannonballs can be forced through the tunnels

the same way. And you can bet to a pre -planned

location on the beach. I got it now. Good. What?

It worked. Dad always told me it pays to stick

to things. And that gives me an idea. on how

to nail venom we'll call it operation stick them

up so first up today is episode 45 overall of

mask the specter of captain kid mask foils a

plot by venom to get their hands on the lost

booty of the pirate captain kid yep it's another

treasure hunt Well, at least the location is

the Caribbean Islands and not some foreign Vietnamese

jungle We have seen a lot of jungles in this

series That is true Part of my plot thoughts

were what the hell are they gonna do with those

cannonballs? Yeah, I know I was I kept wondering

through the episode what the deal was with those

cannonballs they kept shooting because it starts

off kind of with again you have this treasure

hunt you have one part of either a treasure hunt

or they're after some device of some sort and

then there's some mystery to it so there's this

mystery of oh you know why are these cannonballs

being fired uh must be something to do with captain

kid and this treasure so It could have been Blackbeard,

it could have been Captain James Tooke, it could

have been anybody, honestly. Insert pirate name

here, it could have been Johnny Depp for all

people. Oh my god, that would have been awesome

if they would have had a Johnny Depp Edward Scissorhands

pirate lookalike in this episode. That would

have been so amazing. If Mask had inspired the

Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Oh my God. What

did you think of the overall plot? You know,

as I said, we've seen it before. You know, I

just kind of go along with it at this point because

we know what to expect. Yeah, it didn't do much

for me. It was kind of cool being in a different

setting. There was still a bit of a jungle there,

but we spent a lot of time there. On the coast,

we had the deal with the cannonballs. We had

Captain Kidd's bottomless treasure pit. So that

was kind of cool. Too bad Scott didn't fall in,

huh, Mike? I know, right? Both of them. So, yeah,

it was okay. Yeah, it was okay is pretty much

the order of the day today. I don't know, I...

It... No, like, there are plenty. I mean, there

were, I don't know how many movies throughout

the entire decade of the 80s that had varying

plots that weren't just the same movie, you know,

thrown into a Xerox machine, copy, rinse, repeat.

They could these people and I honestly think

I don't know how the producers or the directors

or like, you know Whoever created the show. I

don't know what they were thinking by the 45th

episode, but Jesus Christ I honestly wish that

this wasn't Deke that it was filmation Because

even though he man in the Masters universe gets

kind of tedious throughout the first You know

throughout its two seasons That has more to like

about it about the episode plots than this does

and that's kind of sad Yeah, I'm just just for

the listeners to know I do follow a lot of the

other GC RN podcasts and tales of attorney is

one of them So I have been listening to that

podcast and also watch the episodes that you're

going to review And that is exactly true. I mean,

they have a great staff of writers, very well

known writers who have written in animation,

comic books and other media. And they do. Even

though sometimes the stories can be somewhat

redundant or you have some plot threads are used

over and over again, the writers find ways to.

make the episodes interesting they they delve

more into some of the characters or they do some

very interesting things in action scenes and

things to help carry the episodes without them

becoming so repetitive I mean yeah there's there's

a transformation scene every episode and so forth

a lot of the same animation that you know that

that part is repetitive but story -wise yeah

they do get creative and with this show yeah

I'm sorry No, well, with the transformation scene,

I come to expect that. Yeah, that's a filmation

thing. They were cutting costs, so they used

a lot of the stock animation over and over again.

But yeah, story -wise, and then you look at Mask,

and it's basically like the series Bible said,

make it a treasure hunt or have Venom going after

some device to take over the world. And there's

no real character development. I mean, even our

heroes are just cardboard characters there's

really there really aren't different size to

their characters unfortunately which we talked

about this before when you have other shows like

He -Man or G .I. Joe even where you do kind of

have some of these same tired plots but you have

very interesting characters at the same time

yep it's the characters that make the plots worthwhile

so we are going to turn on the high beams if

there are any We'll be back in a moment. All

right. Shield your eyes. We got the high beams

on. I did laugh at the Bumbled Things line. I

thought that was kind of funny. Oh, what was

the Bumbles Thing line? You remember? OK. Oh,

it's it's either Scott saying T -Bob always Bumbles

Things or vice versa. I think it had to do with

them and I thought it was kind of funny. OK.

I loved the pepperonis all piled up. That was

funny. That was funny. Yeah, when the computer's

calling the M .A .S .K. team members, we get

Dusty selected and he's, you know, in the pizza

shop slicing up pepperoni and it just starts

piling up. That was pretty funny. As always,

the battle scenes are great. And that's one thing

I'll give them. The animation on a lot of the

battle scenes are really, really cool. And that

was one awesome crash Manta had. I don't think

I've seen Manta crash like that before. Yeah,

there was some good animation in this one. There's

some other episodes. I think the third episode

we'll talk about, I think, had the best animation

out of these. But yeah, it's usually pretty good.

One issue I did have with the battle scenes,

since we're talking about it, is that Scott's

using T -Bob to launch a... Well, actually, that's

not the thing I was going to talk about. Oh.

You know, every time a missile hits a target...

In a lot of the other episodes it basically destroys

the vehicle And then this time when dusty's Jeep

gets hit directly with a missile it goes right

through the front grill of the Jeep It doesn't

explode Yeah, this is exactly what I was talking

about last time I think yeah when they were firing

on Thunderhawk and they fired a beam right at

the car and it went right through it basically

went Through the right side Passenger window

cut Matt and Bruce's heads off and then ended

up on the left passenger window. So yeah What

else did you like about this one? There were

some things I did like about it We get a new

venom member So that was a real highlight. His

name is sponge brain. I mean Floyd Malloy Miles

called him sponge brain. So not SpongeBob. So

that was kind of cool. But at the same time,

there was just no character development to the

guy. I mean, he was just thrown in this episode.

And I also didn't like his vehicle very much.

I didn't like that vehicle design. It was just

a motorcycle that could fly. It's basically the

same thing as what Brad has with Condor. Yeah.

Condor is a motorcycle that turns into a helicopter.

right it is but uh this one was just it was just

kind of bland i mean if if i were to see that

i mean i wouldn't want the toy it wasn't appealing

at all nope not at all all right we're gonna

turn on the low beams after this now i know how

a bowling pin feels all right turn on the low

beams honey bomb or ball really scott really

so There's a point where the walls are about

to cave in. Why the hell don't you climb, you

idiot, Matt? He just stands there, hanging around.

Like, ah. What did you have? Well, the things

I mentioned with the missile -hitting Dusty's

Jeep, it doesn't explode right away, so they

have time to knock it out of the front of the

grill so that it doesn't blow the Jeep up. So

that was something I didn't like in this episode.

And then again, this new character, Floyd Malloy.

Yeah, it was cool to see a new character introduced,

but they didn't do anything with him. So it was

just kind of wasted. It's unfortunate. And then

he had this weapon. His weapon was called Buckshot

and it shot out a bunch of tiny balls. And I

don't know if that's just going to be his only

power or if that was this. you know, good for

this episode. So I guess we'll have to wait and

see if he returns in a future episode to see

if he does anything else. But I'm thinking if

we're 45 episodes in at this point, yeah, we

may not see him again. Yeah, and and that's the

other thing like after a while I even though

I love sly racks and I love Vanessa I got really

bored of sly Vanessa and and dagger always being

the Venom members at least with at least with

mask you have enough people where you can switch

out like It had been at least Ten episodes of

the cartoon since we had seen Hondo before he

showed up recently You know and you can always

you know trade off dusty and Gloria or dusty

and Brad or Bruce and Alex, you know I mean mask

has more than enough where it's enough of a variety

that you're not always seeing the same characters

More than one time of venom they have okay besides

miles because he's the leader They have Vanessa

racks and dagger. That's it Right and and they

use them almost every episode. I mean, it's rare

that we don't see For all four of them if not

at least three of them whereas they seem to do

a better job I hadn't thought about that But

yeah, they seem to do a better job with the mask

members where it may just be Matt Scott and T

Bob and then one other mask member, but I guess

Looking at another way you would say, okay. Well

you have Matt T Bob and Scott So there's three

characters and if you just throw in one or two

other mask members and it kind of evens out Yeah,

but I think that it's actually yeah It actually

is more effective with masks because you don't

see the same recurring characters every week

Yeah, and I really don't count Scott and T Bob.

I mean they're right. They're separate from the

actual mask team But you know when they're fighting

when they're going up against venom you might

have an episode where it's hondo Matt and then

Bruce and Alex in Rhino or you may have one where

it's Matt and and dusty and and Crap Brad, you

know, you know that there's so many interchangeable

things, you know Whereas venom there's three

other people outside of miles. So to this point

and obviously we get this new guy But yeah, I

don't know. What did you uh, what did you rate?

T sock I rated this one three masks because I

probably rated it a little bit too high probably

doesn't deserve a three but Watching the episode.

I actually I didn't hate it. It didn't have Ton

of puns in it like some of them do There were

some some good action moments Matt gets washed

down a drain and we think he's gonna drown I

mean, so you just wonder how he's gonna get out

of that. We know he's going to but There were

some good moments. I did like the introduction

of the new character But again, I didn't do much

with him. I did they even really I wonder if

they Mentioned his name or if I just went and

looked it up. I know one of there was some character

that I I had to go look up because I didn't catch

the name during the episode. But I can't remember

if this was the one or not. Yeah. For me, I'm

going to give it two out of five masks. I know

Optimus Solo calls me out on this on Tales of

Eternity a lot, but if one certain thing consistently

happens, I will automatically take points off

of my rating because of it. And honestly, it

basically why it gets two out of five masks.

It immediately got three masks taken off because

it's another fucking treasure hunt episode. As

far as the PSA goes, broken glass, good message.

But robot tanning lotion, what a dumb idea. Yeah.

Oh my god. Or how about for PSA, don't tan, use

sunblock. Yeah, there is that there is that so

that's we are that's what they would do today

anyway Yeah, that's true All right, we're gonna

move on to the next episode the stone is the

key to the power we're taking it with us Rats

tiger get down there. I Don't know I always figured

them for a couple of slippery characters. Quick!

Call Dad. We gotta stop them. I say, Matt, Scott

and T -Bob aren't here. What? Where on earth

are they gone? We better spread out and search.

Hey, Mayhem! This thing is stuck on here with

super glue or something! No alibis just work.

We've got to get out of here before morning or

we'll be stuck for another day. What's going

on? The clouds block the moon. The stone has

power only when the moonlight is strong upon

it. Come on, they must have gone down there.

Alright, up next is episode 46, The Secret of

the Stones. Venom steals a strange stone that

makes objects weightless. Okay. Um, why not just

go to the moon? Uh, who are the - Who are the

team members this time around? For Mask, we have

Hondo and Alex. They join Matt and the rest of

the crew, which would be Scott and T -Bob. And

then for Venom, we have Rax, Vanessa, Dagger,

and Miles, basically just the usual. So they

couldn't... They introduced this new character

last episode. They couldn't even bring him over

into this one, really? Know I wonder why they

they didn't do that more often or you know trade

out some of these members I mean why why not

just focus on maybe just a couple this time have

maybe Rax and Vanessa only don't even have miles

in there or or have miles and Vanessa and dagger

I mean just team them up in different ways so

that we can see different parts of their personalities

Mm -hmm Yeah, pretty much So They go after a

stone that makes things weightless Why? This

is almost worse than the treasure hunt plots

like Well was the well actually let's see. What

was the objective here? I don't I don't think

they mentioned it because I was thinking that

It has something to do with lifting up Fort Naas,

but that's actually a different episode. Yeah,

that's a different episode altogether Actually,

you know what? No, it was this one. Was it? Yeah,

they wanted to lift Fort Knox off his foundation.

Oh, jeez. Yeah, I remember that now. Yeah, that's...

I gave him points for creativity, but that is

just silly. Yes, yes it is. First of all Fort

Knox is full of gold so it's gonna be really

heavy which obviously is why they need To have

the weightless anti -gravity device. Yeah. Yeah,

and Second of all Fort Knox is full of guards

they would and third of all for someone who actually

lives in Kentucky and knows a little bit about

it because I actually took a field trip to Fort

Knox at one point I Pretty sure they monitor

the airspace around Fort Knox I don't think you'd

be able to fly switchblade in like right over

the gold depository and use this device at all.

Yeah, I don't think so. So, alright, let's get

to the high beams. See? They're right up ahead.

It is as I told you. Newsflash, that's not your

dad. So we are turning on the high beams for

the secret of the stones. You know, if you change

that last word, we would have a masked version

of He -Man and She -Ra's origin. The secret of

the sword. Yep. I did like several things in

this one. I did have a few notes. Monkey attack.

That was funny. That was funny. That was really

funny He climbs inside he climbs inside of rhino

and it turns around locks the door. That was

just creepy Frisbee thrown a jackhammer and racks

his vehicle instant destruction next episode.

It's back to normal I bet but I just found it

really funny that they did a frisbee throw and

then jackhammer gets destroyed That'll teach

Venom to catch a falling star. All I can think

of is that old 80's song. Oh jeez, now I can't

even think of it. What did you like about this

one? Well I thought that using the power of the

stones as the premise for the Mayans being able

to erect these large structures being able to

lift the heavy objects. I thought that was a

nice touch that they added into the plot. It

was kind of cool seeing Matt lift Rhino with

one hand. Yeah, it was kind of funny. Yeah, they

use this power in different ways. I thought they

came up with some clever ways to use it during

the episode. Like they were able to use the power

of the stones to crush some of the vehicles.

So the venom couldn't get away in them so they

crushed a couple of the vehicles as I recall

so that was kind of cool Another thing I thought

they did well here was the use of Vanessa's mask

powers whiplash Yeah, because using her power

she was able to help dagger lift the stone up

Yeah, that was one of my other notes is whip

on now wow Vanessa's mask is actually useful.

Yeah So it's great to see that they actually

make note of the powers that those masks have

and they use them in creative ways that make

sense in the episode. And then speaking of cool

powers, I thought the use of the stilettos by

Rax was really good in this episode. He had smoke

in the darts and that was a creative way to use

that weapon during the episode as well. Absolutely

and that final note that I had made that'll teach

venom to catch a falling star As soon as I wrote

that down and as soon as I said it here the first

thing I thought of was 1988 a song entitled how

to catch Wait, you know, it's how to Damn it

waiting for a star to fall 1988 by boy meets

girl So that'll be in this podcast somewhere

Any other high beams for you, sir? I also Did

kind of like that the power of the stones didn't

extend beyond the city boundaries And that's

what ultimately leads a mask to win the episode

Because the stones become too heavy for venom

to carry anymore When did this episode come out

this episode came out the stones around 85 December

2nd of 85 damn because as soon as you said that

about being confined to the city the first thing

i think of is elsa the knight told us not to

remove it past the seal what's the reference

i don't the the ending to uh... last crusade

when elsa removes the the holy grail past the

seal and uh... and uh... the whole time indiana

jones thing comes tumbling down okay yeah it's

Have seen that one, but it's been a few since

I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah, it was the first thing

I thought of when you mentioned it I was like

Elsa don't move it past the seal All right, we're

gonna get to low beams in a moment Good heavens

the energy force is active again. I wish someone

would give us a timetable For the low beams.

What do you got? I only have one this time I

know I'm kind of starting to give these episodes

some credit or actually maybe I have been all

along because, you know, I'm not rating them

as low as I was when Kevin was doing the show

because I was still watching the episodes and

I was going on the blog and posting my ratings.

And I agree that they were pretty bad. I'd often

rank them fairly low, like a lot of twos. But,

you know. I'm taking it for what it is, and I'm

just trying to enjoy it. In this one, I only

had one low beam, and that was kind of going

back to something that you said in a previous

episode, how they try to make T -Bob more human

-like than he should be when he's a robot. So

T -Bob doesn't need to read. He doesn't need

to be reading books. He's not Johnny Five. T

Bob disassemble. Yes. That's exactly what we

need. Uh, yeah, there's a lot of things that

they do with T Bob that he should not be doing.

Um, if he was going to read a bedtime story to

Scott, which Scott is too old at this point,

I think, um, that would be something different.

But for T Bob to be reading, to gain knowledge.

Yeah. He's a frigging computer row computerized

robot that gets programmed. uh... uh... for me

then i'm going after other power that they can

control the a uh... good heavens it looks is

a venomous finally one uh... they have one pass

plots because mask would just let them get away

we've seen this happen yes there have been passed

episodes where that was plotted foiled but they

still got away so it is in it In essence, they

did win a lot of times, even though they didn't

get what they were after. Right. Is getting away

with something is still winning. Yeah, they often,

well, they practically almost always get away

except for a few occasions. Like we know that

they were left in a snake pit or something at

one point. But most of the time they even if

mask has a chance to stop them, they'll just

be like, oh, well, you know, man, I'll say, you

know, we'll get it next time. What? Yeah. you

have a chance to stop them right now and i know

matt isn't a fully deputized agent of the law

like he's not a policeman he's not an fbi agent

see this is the thing that really pisses me off

about this cartoon is you've got these two supposedly

super okay venom technically is a terrorist organization

mask is supposedly this highly trained uh you

know mission force mobile armor strike command

that doesn't really have yes technically they

are the IMF the very very dim -witted IMF what

what I don't get about this is okay we know with

transformers the Autobots and Decepticons there's

they're giant robots from a different planet

when they're on earth They have the Decepticons

can't go to jail I mean unless you're just gonna

have Megatron transform and have his gun sit

in a jail cell The Decepticons can't go to jail

so the Autobots really are The I guess law enforcement

for Cybertron it has no effect on Earth's police

force or government this however this show Matt

should be calling the police every single friggin

time they catch venom Right I wonder I wonder

what the thought was and behind that like You

know, what is this special team mask that they

have the authority to travel around the globe

and battle this terrorist organization I mean,

I know it's a kids action cartoon, so they don't

really have to explain it, but I just wonder

if they if they questioned that when they developed

the series and and you know I mean just thinking

through it logically how that would fit in to

a real world situation perhaps I mean you know

what are what what is mask you know how what

what sort of branch of the armed forces or international

police or something you know what where would

they fall in that exactly And the PSA had to

do something with tripping over toys what But

it was kind of funny I have to admit because

Scott gets on the T Bob and then T Bob's like

well, you know I'm getting chastised for leaving

out one little toy and then he takes another

step and he slips on a roller skate and falls

down the stairs So I thought it provided a humorous

moment and it's a good message, too It is, you

know, pick up your toys kids to make sure nobody,

you know Kevin I thought I told you to pick up

these micro machines your grandparents are gonna

slip and fall all over them Even though this

cartoon happened like five years before that

and home alone. But anyway For ratings, what

are you gonna give this one? Overall I enjoyed

it. So Again, it's kind of middle of the road.

So I'm gonna give it three masks For me It's

Come on Mike. It's not a treasure hunt episode.

It's not a treasure hunt episode. You're right

So it saves it from being a zero and a one I

Did like the monkey attack thing But honestly,

there's just oh, oh that was the other thing

I forgot one of my other notes so wait a minute

they're just gonna leave the wrecked switchblade

there they left switchblade destroyed at that

site and i guarantee you by the next episode

he'll have it again no explanation whatsoever

oh yeah um i gotta give it another two i i just

these episodes are well i enjoyed parts of it

the parts that just annoy me to all hell and

make me question the intelligence and the competency

of these writers is just beyond anything I can

comprehend. Yeah, it's more deserving of a two,

I agree, but I'm just kind of going back to what

I was saying there earlier, looking at it in

the context of what this series is. For this

series, I would say it's middle of the road,

so that's why I'm saying a three. I mean, if

I had to look... Add it in comparison to a lot

of other cartoons. Yeah, I would say it's deserving

of a two or maybe not even that Yeah, all right.

We're gonna move on to the last episode of the

day after this A sure thing, Mr. Mayhem. Anything

you say, you always know what's right. That's

because you fools do everything wrong. Yeah,

you're right about that too. Pick it up, Dagger,

will ya? You tell me what to do again and I'll

sew your lips together. And I want double time

from you three. But we need a rest. Shut up and

stitch, if you want to see your families again.

This work is breaking my back! Can't we just

blast our way in? No, you moron. I won't run

the danger of destroying the very thing we're

after. But it was probably destroyed years ago.

Century, dagger. If this information is accurate,

it was buried under ice and snow before the lava

flow covered it. No one has ever looked for it

because the fools thought it was destroyed. Fools

like you! Now hurry! You're wasting more time

with your stupid questions! Alright, last up

today is episode 47, season 1 of Mask. The lost

fleet, the air date was December 3rd, 1985. Mask

tries to stop Venom, who goes to a tropical island

in search of a legendary golden fleet. If my

headphones would stay on my head, ladies and

gentlemen, I would so lean over and basically

wrap my head against my desk so you could hear

a true head desk because this is getting ridiculous.

Well, yeah, but they're come on, Mike. I mean,

there was a lot to like about this episode. There

were things to like. Just because episodes have

moments that I like doesn't mean that overall

the plot is good. It's not. Yeah, I'm just giving

you a hard time. But yeah, I know. I actually

think this one was pretty good. But yeah, it's

the same old thing. You know, we're going to

go hunting after a treasure again. Unfortunately,

but that's par for the course now. We know what

to expect. Pretty much. Yeah And it just is too

damn much So how do you like being in the land

of the Vikings? It's interesting. It's fun. It's

a little dangerous, but it's it's you know It's

better than you know random jungle here, you

know, honestly They keep saying they're in all

these jungles and in certain times We run into

people that would be native to these areas and

that's all well and good But I honestly think

half the time when they're just in a nondescript

jungle without actually meeting anybody it's

just the woods on the on Matt trackers property

honestly, I Honestly think they just go into

the woods. They put on their masks and they LARP.

That's all they do is 1980s LARPing Matt has

this giant mansion with you know who knows how

many thousands of acres and they just wander

around back there and have these misadventures

Pretty much. Yeah, and they think they're in

exotic places. Oh God Matt's entire property

is A version of the X -Men danger room. That's

all it is. They put on an illusion the entire

time The plot here is It's subpar at best It's

standard. It's Honestly not worth my time I Really

hate to say that but as we go through the I mean

we are 47 episodes into a 75 episode series I

know people have said that the season 2 the racing

season which is the last 10 episodes is bad it

can't be as bad as Every single one of these

treasure hunt episodes. Oh Mike. Don't say that

It can't be any worse. I don't know We've already

lost our audience And I do want to take this

time as we're talking about this final episode

today to let everybody know Just because we are

pointing out bad things about this cartoon Does

not mean we don't still or didn't still enjoy

the toy line Because we've said it many times

in this in this podcast over the 19 episodes

that it's had to this point The toy line was

phenomenal It was amazing. So don't let our opinions

and thoughts on the cartoon itself sway you from

enjoying a really awesome 80s toy line. There

are certain things that fail and certain things

that succeed. When you have a franchise like

this, sometimes the cartoon succeeds and the

toys fail and vice versa. This is obviously the

vice versa. Right I I really like if we get to

the end of this and episode 30 of the podcast

and Kevin has us do like top lists of any kind

I'm going to be hard -pressed to make a top list

of episodes that I really loved Like it might

be three out of 75 honestly I I don't know what

the hell Kevin and I were thinking doing this

podcast even it's like It's like okay, we're

80s kids we can do it any other thoughts on the

plot now that I've basically derailed the entire

section here There's there's not much as far

as plot and moving the story that I recall there

were a few things I Thought were kind of cool,

you know seeing the mass carrier again Of course,

you know this episode we have the the earthquake

that basically tries to swallow somebody whole

and that always scared me as a kid yeah you know

i thought earthquakes did that for a while i

was like oh my gosh you know the earth is going

to open up and swallow you that's just terrible

what a terrible way to go um scott says a joker

line did you catch that he said something like

i have always had a flair for the dramatic oh

yeah so Yeah, that was in there. It's much better

coming out of Mark Hamill's mouth or Cesar Romero's

mouth. Alright, we're gonna get to the high beams

after this. Selection approved. Assemble mobile

armored strike command. Alright, for the high

beams. It's a new mask member. Jock Cousteau?

Something. I didn't catch his last name. Yeah,

it's Le Fleur. Jock Le Fleur. Yeah, I actually

went to behindthevoiceactors .com. Yes, not to

Kevin and his crew for keeping that site up to

date for us But yeah, I went there to catch it

because I didn't really quite catch it during

the episode either Yeah, jock la fleur alls I

can think of is I wonder how well he plays dodgeball

So the teams both have new masks and costumes

that's interesting yeah, yeah I really do like

that. I did too. I think that's something that

they need to do more often. While Matt's traditional

spectrum is the overall mask that is the logo

of the series and everything else, I prefer the

mask he uses in Rhino, the alternate one. I do

too. When he's driving a Rhino. They're both

very cool, but yeah, man, that one he uses in

Rhino, I just think that one's awesome. I like

the colors. I like the mask design. I think the

entire internet and the entire world is going

to break with my next high beam because in 18

episodes of this show, I have never, ever sympathized

with this character, but I can really sympathize

with Scott strange food is you Nasty I am I am

so not a food Experimenter when it I am one of

those types of guys that okay hot dogs sure hamburgers

sure spaghetti sure meatloaf sure You know fried

chicken sure great pizza, okay? Anything that's

outside of my comfort zone or anything that looks

really weird to me. I will I am NOT a trier at

all Yeah, I can relate to that as well And I

do like the line I believe it was Scott that

says it I take another earthquake over her cooking

any day Yeah, there were quite a few things like

about this one we have the new mask member and

Don't we have a new a Venom member as well in

this one. Yeah, it's Nash gory. Yeah So that

was really cool. I mean, it's nice that they

throw them in here I kind of hate it that they

put two in one episode when we have so many other

episodes with the normal cast members the regular

cast members in there But the volcano van was

awesome wasn't it Jacques vehicle the new mask

member. I thought that was such a cool vehicle

It's a cool vehicle but under my low beams worst

vehicle name ever The volcano van that what the

power is great the name for the thing is just

like No Yeah, they could have given it a better

name I grant you that but if I I mean see in

this episode That's a toy. I would have definitely

wanted to put on my list Awesome looking and

I don't know if they made that toy or not. I'll

have to go, you know at some point I'm not to

go online and see what toys were produced for

the series And just check those out. Maybe even

go on eBay and see what they're going for But

yeah, I wonder if they made this one. It looked

pretty cool And the other thing I'd like to was

Jacques mask it almost looked like a red Batman

mask or it basically looked kind of like a bat.

It had these ears sticking up. I thought that

was a cool design. Also, it was kind of like,

it almost looked like Matt's mask when he's in

Rhino, but it had different ears and it had like

the snout on it, so I thought it was a pretty

cool design. And also, Miles had a different

mask in this episode. He had a different uniform

as well. Yeah, so that was really cool to see

And then Bruce using telephone poles to get Scott

and T Bob out of the crevice. I thought that

was a pretty creative solution and In my opinion

this was also the best animated episode of the

week Yeah, and that's probably partly because

what you said earlier That there were a lot of

action scenes in this there were there were a

lot of action scenes with The one from Venom

Right and actually that's really what carried

this episode. I mean, I think kind of the plot

was secondary to all the action going on Yeah,

it really was and that's that's a good thing

Honestly when you can have a lot of action and

Basically cover up the entire plot of the episode.

That's good All right, we're gonna head the low

beams for the last time today in a moment Yeah,

maybe it's born on the clock All right for the

low beams I already mentioned the fact that the

volcano The volcano van is the worst name ever

the vehicle is cool as all hell don't get me

wrong. I love the vehicle itself, but Worst name

ever I did find that Volcano was Monster Truck

Vanish Attack, which turns into an attack station.

Kobyle and his mask gives mirage, creates an

invisibility screen. So I think there was...

Members in their vehicles see this was Volcano

volcano this must have been Trying to see here

Volcano was that's in blue. So I believe that

was series two of the toys Okay, so series two

done in 1986 They fell into a quake crevice and

can't get out. Seeing Scott and T -Bob pushing

against the rocks reminds me of the garbage shoot

scene in Star Wars. Yeah, it does. The accents

in this episode were really getting on my last

damn nerve. That one guy in particular, it was

so bad. Yeah, it was so bad. What did you have

for low beams? Using a giant balloon to lift

the city Yeah, that's a stretch, you know points

for creativity though, yeah points for creativity,

but that would never work no Never never never

never never what else and just that it's another

treasure hunt episode Yeah, I Don't even need

to throw that in really no not really Like I'm

not expecting like very deep storytelling here

But the essentials like we've said and throughout

this entire episode of the podcast Do some actual

character development? Actually have the new

venom member in the very next episode from when

you introduced him Actually do something instead

of just using generic plot devices and generic

plots in general For me, this one gets a 2 overall.

What about you? Well, this one I like more than

the others this week. And because there was so

much thrown in when we got a new Venom member,

a new Mask member, we had the new Mask uniform

for Miles and so forth. And just all the action

to help carry this one, even though there wasn't

really a strong plot. I liked it, I enjoyed it.

I'm going to give it four masks. Thank you, John.

The only reason why I'm giving it two is because

of... Yes, I love the action. Yes, I love the

new masks and the new outfits. It's nice to see

that Miles Mayhem finally did some laundry and

got a new outfit. But overall, my low beams really

outweigh all of that because... Okay It just

I don't know It's just way too much wrong with

this cartoon series yeah, I'm just looking at

it as You know This is one I might return to

just because there were some there were so many

new things and it wasn't a boring episode I mean

Again, it didn't have a great plot as far as

story development or character development, but

You know, I did like the addition of the of the

van and the vehicles. You know, if I watch it

again, I may have a lower opinion of it, but

having seen it the first time through knowing

what we've seen in the past, I feel like I feel

comfortable giving it a four. I mean, I think

it's a little above average. Are you doing OK?

Yeah, I'm all right. The PSA was all about ladders,

and I know they've used this one before. I remember

seeing this PSA before in this series. Okay,

yeah, I didn't pick up on that. But I thought

it was funny that Scott's telling T -Bob he has

to hold the ladder and all this about ladder

safety, and then Scott jumps from the fourth

step and slips in the mud. Yeah. That's a PSA

for another day, I suppose We are gonna take

a quick break we're gonna come back with some

Final thoughts on the series overall, I guess

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I still can't say something about Transformers,

can I? Good grief. What about sports? Yeah, that's

alright. Looks like you really bumble things.

They had more ways than one! Alright, we are

back. And my overall thoughts for this series

so far... They need to have worked on so many

things. Character development... Giving us interesting...

I don't know, maybe it's just I'm so... I've

seen so many mysteries since this show has come

out that I'm... Is it just me, Tim? or is it

just me that's bitching and complaining about

these damn treasure hunt episodes it can't be

just me because it's like that's all they use

yeah i i don't know no what are your oh go ahead

no it's it's not you it's it's uh It's getting

old that they use the same plots I mean it's

it's unfortunate because I think they could have

done so much more with the series and the characters

and you we you wouldn't even have to come with

with Incredibly creative plots if you wanted

to just develop the characters more I mean the

action is what people are gonna tune in for anyway

You know the kids want to see Thunderhawk they

want to see Rhino They want to see Splish Blade

and they want to see those cool masks and the

powers. So you just find interesting ways to

weave those into storylines and you've got a

hit. You know, I like the animation in masks

for the most part. I think animation looks good.

So I've been enjoying these last few episodes.

I have to admit that I've enjoyed the last several

episodes more than I did early on in the series

when It was just like oh my goodness like I don't

know if I can stand to watch this show anymore

You know, I mean you guys took a hiatus. I was

like, oh I needed a break But But I I've been

enjoying them. It's not great by any stretch

I'm probably not gonna return to this DVD set

Very often if I mean, I'm sure I'll probably

pop one in every now and then be like, okay Was

it as bad as I thought it was? Yeah, it was Let

me watch something else. But um, like I said,

I do like the designs for the characters and

vehicles and the animation overall It's just

that the stories are just lacking in the series

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Three more episodes from mask season one those

being quest of the canyon. Oh Lord Follow the

rainbow. Where's Dorothy and Toto when you really

need them? And the Everglades oddity. Okay, so

just based on those titles, the only one that

should be a treasure hunt is Quest of the Canyon.

Or maybe even Fall of the Rainbows, there's gonna

be a pot of gold at the bottom of it. Oh my goodness,

I hope that's not the plot. I am so putting a

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now, I am TF2 and Mike with... Tune Master Tim.

Thank you for listening until next time. Illusion

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