Top 100 Animated Characters Countdown – #75-51

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like to welcome all of you back as we continue

our journey to reveal the top 100 animated characters

of all time. Last episode, we revealed the first

set of 25 as we counted down numbers 100 through

76. and today we will tackle numbers 75 through

51. I am your host, Optimus Solo, and with me

for this episode returning from last time is

movie revolt Dan. Hello. How's it going? Not

too bad. Excited to see what the reactions are

this week. We also have again returning Hard

Candy Mandy. Hello. Hello. And also returning

from last episode is Sketch. How are we doing,

sir? I'm doing great, guys. How you doing? I'm

doing good, doing good. And then we have a new

person along with us for the second episode,

but not new to the fans of the GeekCast Radio

Network. Joining us today is TV's Mr. Neil. Hello.

Hello. Neil, obviously you were not on the record

last time, but you are aware of the 25 characters

that we revealed in that first episode. Just

go to you first, though, for your initial reaction

on what you've seen revealed so far and thoughts

getting into this episode. It's a very interesting

mix. I see Gumby, Dick Dastardly, Donatello,

and Jessica Rabbit all on the same list, and

I don't think I've ever seen that before. Very

true. Yeah, there was definitely a mixture. We

weren't sure what to expect getting into that

first one if we would have one company or one

type or time period or anything like that dominate,

but it was definitely a mixture of a whole bunch

of different stuff as we saw both only three

Disney characters. We saw a handful of anime

characters, Hanna Barbera, etc. Anything on that

list, Neil, that you are upset that it made the

list or upset that it's already been listed and

not going to be higher? Or anything that you're

surprised that made the list? I'm probably going

to get heat for this, but Gumby. Because I don't

get Gumby. I guess I'm more of a Wallace and

Gromit guy or something a little more. Don't

know. I think company's just a little too too

old as far as stop -motion animation goes. Gotcha.

He's og claymation Of course, you know, then

again, my favorite movie is King Kong and that's

even older. So what am I saying? Dan interesting

mix that we got in that first episode. Do you

have any? Predictions on what we're gonna see

today or any thoughts moving into today's episode

I'm going to take a guess we're going to get

a little bit more Looney Tunes representation

this time around, because we really didn't get

much any last week. So I would think with the

multitude of characters that they have, that

we'll start seeing some creep in at this end

of the 50. Yeah, interesting to look at. Last

week, the only Warner Brothers character that

we really saw was not one of the classic Looney

Tunes characters. Instead, we got the kind of

wild card there with Slappy Squirrel. as the

one that was revealed. So we'll have to see if

you're right with the Looney Tunes. Amanda, we

talked about the mix between male and female

characters going into the first episode, and

we were not quite sure what to expect. We did

have about eight females show up in that first

set of 25. Do you think it'll be something similar

today, or will we have a drop off or an increase?

That's really hard to tell because I think we've

had kind of a fair mix, maybe a little heavily

on the female side, honestly. So it'll be...

interesting to see what kind of mix we get with

this. All right, and Sketch, just your thoughts

moving into this. Any predictions on what you're

going to see? Dan's saying maybe a few more Looney

Tunes than we saw last week. Any thoughts on

your end? I'm thinking we're going to see some

more of those 90s characters from Disney and

Warner Brothers, but the really iconic stuff

won't happen yet. Those will probably wait. Alright,

we'll have to wait and see the other thing that

we were kind of looking at a little bit last

week is Good characters versus bad characters.

We only got four Quote -unquote bad characters

last week We'll have to see if we get more than

that when we move into this set of 25 So without

any further ado, let's get right into it with

our first name on the countdown 75 number 75

pick coming up here and it's funny because it

was somewhat already mentioned here So I'll let

Neil start with this one. We're gonna have grommet

at number 75, talking about a little bit of stop

motion claymation type stuff. Neil, what do you

think of Gromit from Wallace and Gromit starting

off today's countdown? I love Wallace and Gromit.

Gromit is a good character to have on this list

because he doesn't talk. He's just the dog. And

that's, you know, I mentioned Gumby earlier and

Gumby is very weird how he, you know, the way

he talks. It doesn't sound very natural to me.

Here you have a character who doesn't talk at

all. And it's all done through expression. I

love, I love expressionism in art. And, uh, you

know, I wasn't really prepared for this. I'm

surprised that like this kid, this showed up

so quickly, but, uh, Waltz and Gromit is like

a great cartoon. I, I don't really know what

else to say. I think I said it all. He's a, he's

a great silent character, uh, really pulls from

like the greats like Harpo Marx and all that.

It's just, it's, it's a genius character to have.

Gromit, I've originated in that it's short in

1990, as you mentioned, a silent character. And

the second one we've already seen on the countdown,

if you count Snake Eyes from last week's episode.

Dan, you had this one ranked pretty high. Are

you upset that it's already fallen off the list?

Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised it's coming

up. Already, I guess not too surprised because

I know, you know, Wallace and Gromit may not

be huge with a lot of people, but those movies

are quite good and in the shorts as well. So

I definitely think Gromit's a character. While

Wallace and Gromit are putting together, at least

deserve the top 50 for just how prevalent they've

been, just the number of shorts and how well

made they are, how great of a character. Grumman

is like you like you mentioned he's character

doesn't talk much what animation has a lot of

those great characters And I think he's right

up there. So yeah, a little disappointed to see

him come off the board already We had two people

rank this character in the top 20, and then we

had one person hit it on the head, actually.

Kristen had it at number 75, which is where it

came in. Sketch, you had it ranked to a little

bit higher at the 63rd spot. What do you think

of Gromit falling down? It might open the debate,

I guess, for what we talked about briefly last

episode of those types of characters, if you

combine them or if you do not. We talked about

last week where we had a combination character

with Chip and Dale, both... equal in each other,

and here we have Gromit by himself. Maybe some

people agree with that, maybe some people will

disagree, but it was based on how many people

actually voted on them separately, because quite

a few people listed them separately and in separate

areas of the countdown. But Sketch, what do you

think of Gromit coming in at number 75? I think

it's a fine place for Gromit. I like to see more

European representation on the list. It's good

to see that. I wanted to lump Wallace and Gromit

together because, you know, they're a comedy

duo and you got to kind of have both of them

to an extent, though Gromit by himself makes

for a good character. So I'm not really begrudging

this, but I kind of would be surprised to see

Wallace show up now. I think Gromit probably

beat him out. We'll have to wait and see on that

one. Amanda didn't make your list, but do you

think he's top 100 worthy? And how many other

silent characters do you think we might still

see? I did fly under my radar a little bit. I

have super limited exposure to Wallace and Gromit.

I think I've only seen one of the movies. I don't

think I've seen any of the shorts. If I did,

I don't remember. But I think that it's a solid

pick. I think they are great characters. I love

the look of them, the camaraderie that they have.

I think I would have lumped them together if

I would have ranked them, though. But as far

as silent characters, there's a ton of animated

silent characters, so we'll never know how many

we could actually get. All right, so let the

debate engage as far as the duos or the splits

on those characters. Moving into our 74th pick

only beats grommet by one point. And Dan, we're

going to go to an early WB Looney Tunes character

with our 74th pick. Originating in the 1942 short,

we're going to go with none other than Tweety

Bird. So let you start on this one, Dan. What

do you think of Tweety making it as basically

our first classic Looney Tunes character? Interesting.

Tweety Bird. Of all the ones, I don't think that

would be one I would... Would go with I don't

think I didn't think I ring Tweety Bird. It's

again another one You could you you know, do

you lump him with there's almost a trio there?

So, I mean certainly Tweety Bird is Iconic in

a lot of ways. I think you as an image you see

a lot of people like even clothing wear Tweety

Bird tends to have a some popularity and you

know, it's a character everyone roots for it's

the ultimate underdog who you know is just trying

to not get eaten by a cat so Yeah, I mean Not

one of my personal favorite characters, but I

can't deny that it's probably one of the most

prevalent characters of all Looney Tunes. So

it makes me wonder, you know, what other Looney

Tunes characters are on their way? Because I

didn't expect Tweety Bird to make the top 100,

to be honest. I'm going to throw that question

at Amanda, because half of us have Tweety on

our list and the other half did not. Amanda what

does that mean for the future of this countdown

and how many other Looney Tunes characters if

we're seeing Tweety at number 74 does that mean

we're in for a lot more to come or is Tweety

kind of the cream of the crop? I feel like we

will see a lot more even though Tweety is pretty

popular I think one of my aunts wore so much

Tweety bird memorabilia it was like weird to

me but I think that despite that, I would say

90s clothing nostalgia. I don't know. We could

get a lot more because I don't think that this

definitely is the tip top of it yet. All right.

Neil, I'm going to go to you next because you

and I actually had this one fairly close. I had

it ranked number 77 and you had him at 75. He

comes in at 74. So did we nail this one on the

head? I think of all the Warner Brothers characters,

all the Looney Tunes characters, this is The

one I would rank the lowest. It's probably where

it should be. My thing with Tweety is that he's

kind of a one note character. All the jokes in

the Tweety cartoons is Sylvester getting beat

over the head with Granny's parasol or running

away from the dog or stuff like that. Sylvester

is the comedy character. Tweety is just kind

of like, he has one catch phrase and otherwise

he doesn't do anything. So I think he's where

he should be. All right in sketch you were one

of the ones that did not have tweety on your

countdown So do you think there's more worthy

Looney Tunes characters out there and tweety

maybe should be left on the outside looking in

There's definitely more worthy Looney Tunes characters

Tweety's still very iconic. So I'm not too surprised

for Tweety to be on the list and I think if Tweety

is gonna be on this list that this is around

the space that Tweety should reside in whereas

other Looney Tunes characters will definitely

some of them are sure to make the top ten We'll

have to wait and see on that 73 Getting into

our first tie of the day here We had two characters

tie for the next spot with 279 points and the

loser on that as far as losing the tie breaking

is gonna be our first female character of the

day and also our first Disney character. And

that would be the character of none other than

Minnie Mouse. Minnie Mouse, coming from all the

way back in 1928. Amanda, we'll start with you

on this one. Surprised that Minnie Mouse is in

the 70s and not higher? I think that Minnie Mouse,

solid choice. Sad to see her a little low. I

mean, she's one of the OGs. As far as animation

goes, I would have liked to see her a little

bit higher up, but she's not too standout -ish

for me anyway. She wasn't one of the characters

that I latched on to even as a little girl, so

I can kind of see it, especially since this is

kind of a male -driven list. So sad to see her

go so soon, but glad that she's on the list anyways.

Well, let's turn it to the male -driven panel

here that we have as well, because Dan... Neil

and Sketch, none of you guys had Minnie Mouse

on your list. So let's start with Dan. Is it

just a factor that there was other Disney characters

that were more worthy? Is the Mickey factor something

that leaves her in the dust? Or what was the

reasoning for Minnie Mouse not quite making your

list? Yeah, I guess as a character, I don't like...

Yeah, I feel like she's iconic, but I felt like

you can kind of cover that with Mickey in a way

And you know if I were to think of a characteristic

of her I can't really even think of one to be

honest So I mean beyond just being a symbol and

you know being have a place in history, you know

Obviously being part of Disney and whatnot, but

I just as a character for those stronger ones

that represent That are you know much more dynamic

than she is and I can't really even think of

something that really is Rememorable from her

in any any way and maybe that's more of a testament

to like the movie making of the time But yeah,

I mean I guess I don't have an issue with her

being on the list But when I was making my list

she never really came to my mind I can see both

sides of this one because I had her ranked at

82, just barely snuck her in there. But I can

agree with a lot of the points you're making,

so I can kind of see that argument for her being

left off or her being more towards the bottom

of the list. Neil, what do you think? Agree or

disagree with what Dan was saying as far as why

Minnie Mouse should not quite be on the list?

Yeah, the thing with Minnie Mouse is if you ask

me to describe her, what you would hear me say

is, She's basically Mickey Mouse, Control C,

Control D. And I don't know, when I think of

OG female characters, I'm usually thinking of

like Olive Oil, who is a little funnier than,

well, a lot funnier than Minnie Mouse, but Minnie

is just kind of, she's Mickey with the skirt.

I mean, it's a terrible thing to say, but it's

kind of true. Really memorable about her is her

ears, which Mickey already has it and her bow

really. Yeah She's the miss pac -man of early

cartoons. Basically, I think that's a decent

comparison there as well We'll have to see if

maybe we'll get some hate from our lack of love

for Minnie Mouse, but she is on account I'm down.

She does make her spot here at the 73rd one of

my favorite books when I was little was actually

Minnie Mouse book and it was probably the only

thing that I liked a Minnie Mouse and it was

the Party and it was amazing, but it was a book.

It wasn't any anything of her actually like on

screen. All right. Sketch, last thoughts on Minnie

Mouse. I kind of feel like she's just, she's

iconic, but like everybody else said, not that

much of a character, and I kind of feel bad for

thinking that, but it is what it is. I feel like

there's a lot of other female characters that

were more worth having on the list. Alright,

so we'll have to see which of those female characters

do show up and which ones are left off at the

end when we go through our honorable mentions,

but let's stick in the world of female characters

for the other half of this tiebreaker. Tied with

Minnie Mouse, but beating her out in the tiebreaker

process is an actual group of female characters

So let that debate begin as well and we're gonna

go to the 1990 characters of the powerpuff girls

with our number 72 pick so Hannah Barbera slash

Cartoon Network whoever you want to attribute

those characters to originating in 1995 Another

set of female characters here and we'll start

with you Amanda since you had the first reaction

you had them ranked at 78 they come in at 72.

So I was pretty getting close. I think that they

are a unit but definitely have individual personalities

that as a girl, you're like, oh, which one of

the Powerpuff Girls am I? You try to identify

with one of them, but you have fun with all of

them. I think there was a bunch of funny things

in there, even a bunch of adult humor that was

played off really well. Loved all the episodes

of all their villains and supporting characters.

So, solid show. Loved all the Powerpuff Girls,

really. I think I was more bubbles though, just

saying. Obviously, there is multiple characters

here that we're talking about, which again, some

people list them all together, some people...

broke him up, so those that did break him up,

we went with the highest one that was rated out

of the ones they chose to list. So that's kind

of how we went around that. Whether that was

right or wrong, we'll leave that to the peanut

gallery. But Neil, that means that you had it

as the highest member of the Powerpuff Girls

at 31. Sketch, you had your highest one at number

36. Start with you, Neil. What do you think of

the Powerpuff Girls making the countdown? I think

they should have been a little higher than this,

but yeah, I hit them all rank differently. I

definitely like Blossom the best. Maybe they

are where they should be because I'm having a

little trouble kind of recalling exactly what

was good about the characters. I think I like

the show in general a lot more than any of the

individual characters here. Just let sketch jump

in because you you had mentioned one of them

now Amanda mentioned one of the individual characters

and Neil you mentioned the second one Sketch

where do you fall as far as was there one that

stood out more than you or do you think as a

group? They're just better off I think they're

better off as a group if if I had to be pushed

to it I think probably bubbles was the Most worthwhile

to have on the list if you could only pick one,

but I mean it's really hard That's like as hard

or more difficult than trying to pick a Ninja

Turtle So I think they work better as units and

like Ninja Turtles, like the Chipmunks, you know,

all of their personalities play off each other.

I mean, it's kind of cliché, but it works. Oh,

Camtown Races, sing this song, doo -dah, doo

-dah. Bubbles, you work on freeing Donnie. Buttercup

and I will take care of Mojo and Chelsea. Wanna

do some arts and crafts? Eyebrow glitter! I'll

take the Cobb salad and the horchata. Oh, Donnie.

I'm just glad you're okay. Still be a best, right?

You call this horchata? Chelsea, crush the last

puny puff girl. Enter Dopey Unicorn Friend. Okie

dokie, Auntie Chokie. You can't destroy us or

our friendship. And I don't know where I am.

Donnie was never your B .S .S. Yes, he is. as

far as the placement goes i think this is too

too soon they they really should be in the top

50 i feel but we're doing a lot better than the

the previous list which i recall powerpuff girls

was like barely in the top 100 cartoons Oh, yeah

on the top 100 animated series now Dan Powercraft

girls not represented on my list or your list

Any specific reason why or just a lack of exposure

to them? Or what do you feel like their worthiness

is I? Don't think they're worthy of top 100.

I I just honestly didn't I had trouble thinking

of putting them together or separate and like

I like the show and I think similar to Neil I

was like, okay I like the show and let me think

about the characters and I'm like, well, yeah,

I can't I don't know if it's the characters I

think the one I came close to ranking wasn't

the Powerpuff Girls, but Mojo Jojo, because I

enjoyed him as a character. But they are kind

of like, on the onset, they do kind of look like

a gimmick, right? Just these little girls that

can punch people, but it ends up really working

and it's just much more clever. And it made me

feel really old when you said that you were from

1995. I didn't realize that they started that

long ago. They had one of the only transgender

villains in cartoons I've ever seen. Alright.

You guys, it's like the devil, but it was like

a chick and a dude. It's like sir or something

famous. Him. Him, yes. Him. Yeah. All right.

On that note, let's go to our next spot on the

countdown. 71. Beating those two out by only

one point. That's how close it is here at this

part of the countdown zone. Only one point ahead,

but we are going to have yet another female character

at our 71st spot and another Disney character.

See who this upsets and who it doesn't because

we talked a little bit of last week as far as

which Disney princesses would show up. as we

had Mulan quote unquote princess at number 78

and seven spots higher at number 71 is Elsa from

obviously the movie Frozen or if you want to

go with the Snow Queen all the way back to the

1844 depending on which version you want to talk

about. Elsa makes our list a little bit ahead

of Mulan so I'm going to start with Amanda because

I know I believe you even made a comment when

Mulan was on that if one of the I don't know

if you said Frozen and Bitches next to it? Makes

it higher that you were going to have a reaction?

Yeah, a little upset. But I get it because everybody

went ape shit bananas over that movie and those

characters. I liked her. She's solid. But I just

had more of a connection with the others from

my childhood, I think maybe. I think the song

is what kind of turned me off of it. like it's

a cool song but I got played out so much everybody

went so stupid over it that I was just like I

can't like this because everybody else is liking

it too much one of those but uh it just bothered

me that it was just everywhere she says a super

cool character though I think that she is you

know worthy of some kind of list it might be

too soon for me though for her to be on this

list I think there's just so many greats that

could be on this list that I don't know if we've

had enough time to really process that she's

top 100 worthy or not. Well the main reason she's

falling at this spot in our list is because three

people that submitted this had this character

in their top 20 including now this is actually

the second example last week we saw one number

one fall when space ghost went out which fridley

sent had at his number one spot and elsa had

a number one spot for somebody as well so elsa

was number one on one of the submitted lists

who the hell was it because i don't want to be

friends with them ever wow that's that's brutal

no and number one elsa Out of all the animated

characters in the fraying world, Elsa is number

one. Candy Manny making friends here. No, I am

not here to make friends. Somebody really wanted

to make sure Elsa got on the list. I guess so,

because none of - I did have Elsa in the 90s,

but nobody else here had Elsa ranked at all,

so maybe we're gonna present the counter argument

perhaps. Let's start with you, Sketch. Elsa not

deserving, especially seven spots ahead of Mulan.

Mulan got robbed. Plain and simple. Reels. Like,

Elsa, remember when, who said it, who was defending

Heathcliff last time? Probably me. No, no, it

was - Matt, for the Matt list. Yeah, Matt said

that Garfield stole Heathcliff's whole thing

and became the more popular one. That's kind

of how I feel like with Elsa versus Mulan, don't

you? I mean, I see it that way. everybody was

all like oh she was all I don't need a man girl

power or whatever but she wasn't the first one

to do that so it wasn't as novel as everybody

made it seem like and dude I'm a frosty bitch

just like she is and I'm not on this 100 top

100 list uh Mulan and uh and Elsa just because

it does seem reversed but I think if I don't

I don't know if I don't know if they should be

higher or not because there are a lot of great

cartoon characters but of all the Disney princesses

I think these these two are at least among the

strongest I mean uh some of the older Disney

princesses like Snow White and uh and Sleeping

Beauty, they don't really do anything. And the

nice thing about Frozen is that the characters

are actually involved in the story. It's like,

oh, it's actually about them. They do things.

I mean, I don't know if I'd say that they're

among the best cartoon characters ever, but at

least they're that interesting. So I bet that

they're on the list, I guess. Well, let's take

a look at it through that scope then that you

kind of presented, Dan. If we're looking at just

Disney princesses, are these two of the more

worthy or if we already had these two, are you

expecting to see a bunch more? It depends on

what you're basing off. If you're looking at

quality of character, I would say definitely,

because like you mentioned, you know, characters

like Snow White, Cinderella, they're coming from

time period and storytelling technique where,

you know, they're kind of They're the wallflowers.

They're not there to move the story forward.

The story's happening around them for the most

part. Also, I think what's interesting about

her as a character is that I really wouldn't

even compare her to Mon because she's not necessarily

the antagonist or the protagonist. She kind of

is some place in between. And I think that's

what's kind of interesting about her character

and what I think a lot of people were able to

identify with Frozen was the struggles that she

went through as a character. She's very relatable

and Again, certainly have a lot of compassion

for her as a character and still being a strong

little character and you know She does sing what

is probably the most iconic Disney song. Yes,

it's over, you know overused and overplayed but

it is probably the Before that was the last time

a Disney song was overplayed or overused It was

a very long time since you know Disney had a

song that people actually cared about so Circle

of Life Lion King. Yeah was 20 years ago It was

a long time period before that happened. So it

did kind of re -energize. Obviously, we had movies

like Tangled and stuff like that before Frozen,

but I think Frozen kind of exploded at it again

and now kind of continued Disney Renaissance.

And Elsa was certainly a huge part of that. And

I mean, you... All you had to do was go to Halloween

that year and see, or the next year after that,

and to see how every girl under the age of 12

or over the age of 12, really, not every girl,

Amanda, not to, I'm not sure you'll say no, dressed

up as Elsa in some way. So she certainly has

a huge popularity, which is probably, you know,

like we're quoting things like Lion King in Aladdin.

Well, the next generation, it's going to be Frozen

for a lot of people and it's going to be Elsa.

So I do think that she's a character that, you

know, I didn't have her. on my list but I don't

have an issue and I think this place for her

is fine. Amanda we gave you the first word why

don't we give you the last word on this one.

Well Dan I'm glad you didn't rank her so we can

still be friends because we have a lot of podcasting

to do still but I think that she just kind of

shit on what the other Disney princesses before

her set up like okay Snow White, Sleeping Beauty

we mentioned them they're not doing much but

what do they represent they set up grace and

elegance and kindness and just being genuine

and Without even having to having to do much

at all They inspired people around them people

loved them for who they were and it showed girls

You know as a standard then and then Elsa comes

in and just shits all over it and like freezes

people and stuff, like, not cool. I'll disagree

with that somewhat. Outside of Cinderella, because

I wouldn't lump Cinderella in with Snow White

and Sleeping Beauty, but I think the thing that

Elsa has going for her over those types of characters

is I think she is more real, because I think

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty are representing

this fake image that it's like the Hollywood

image of what a woman should be like or the classic.

But it's like confidence and kindness. But I

think what Elsa gives you is she's actually dealing

with like a real issue and real like turmoil

as far as coming to a decision on what she should

do and what she shouldn't do based on the hand

that she's been dealt. So, I mean, I think there's

a lot more depth to a character like Elsa than

we get with some of these classic characters.

I don't think it's all about, well, Snow White

or Sleeping Beauty was elegant or classy or nice

or whatever. It's not that, no. It's a grace

and it's a way to carry yourself and to be genuine

and kind. That's a base that they set up. This

is her dealing with tragedy and dealing with

stuff. she didn't deal with it very well at all.

And look where Snow White got locked up in. A

lot of people don't deal with tragedy well, but

that was the whole purpose of the whole film

was kind of her overcoming that and coming to

terms with that. So I think there's a character

arc there. Maybe, but I just don't think that

she's been around long enough and she didn't,

I don't think she taught me anything. What if

you're lumping her in with the Snow Queen? What

if that's what people's logic was? That it's

all similar characters and the Snow Queen goes

back to the 1800s? Does that give her more credence

to show up on the list if we're combining that

version? But we aren't. Maybe some people did

when they ranked her. Who the hell even knows

about that? Hans Christian Andersen? Fuck, he's

dead. Jesus. Alright. We could have voted, we

don't know. I reached out to people, man. I have

sources. Elsa's popular, so I'm not surprised

that she's on the list. I could take it or leave

it. Let's move on before Amanda gets too upset

with all of us. We're going to break one trend

because we've had three female characters in

a row. So we're going to go away from that. But

we're going to stick with the fact that we've

had now our third Disney character so far. And

this one's going to be a little bit of a different

type of character, I guess. And for our number

70, we're going to go to none other than Jiminy

Cricket from 1940 film. Coming in quite a few

points for four points higher than Elsa and the

rest there So let's see what people's reaction

to is of Jiminy Cricket versus maybe get away

from the Disney princesses a little bit Dan We'll

start with you. What do you think? Like Jiminy

Cricket a lot as a character, you know He's that

ultimate consciousness and I he showed up at

a bunch of different things within Disney He

I think last time we talked about Tinkerbell

now She was kind of the icon you use as an iconic

image for Disney and so was Jiminy Cricket in

a lot of ways In 5060s you saw him, you know

in a lot of different things just specially produced

by and while Disney so I really like him here

as a character and just his longevity for sure.

So yeah, I think it's a good placing. All right,

Amanda, you did have Jiminy Cricket on your list.

So more in favor of this one? Yeah, I love Jiminy

Cricket. He also taught me one of my first cuss

words because he said Jackass. So I loved him.

I loved his heart. I think that he had a His

voice was like really calming and assuring, and

I loved his look. I loved his tough love. I think

that he's an all -around great character, and

he embodies a lot of good things. All right,

Sketch, you also had Jiminy Cricket. You had

him ranked at 87. It's coming in here at number

70, so are you fairly happy with where he's landing

here? Yeah, I think this is a good place for

Jiminy. He's one of those great, iconic... Disney

movie characters that had a lifespan beyond his

initial movie in Pinocchio and he's great in

Pinocchio but he also has all those other things

that he was in and He's a fantastic character

The embodiment of a conscious that's that's a

great character to have and Elsa could have used

one, huh? Neil you did not have Jiminy Cricket

on your list. So what's your opinion a contrary

to what you've heard so far from the other three?

He's a good character. His most distinguishing

characteristic probably is that really silky

smooth voice that he has. Otherwise, I don't

know. It never really appealed to me that much.

There was a Ren and Stiffy cartoon that kind

of made fun of him called Jiminy Lomax. The whole

point of the cartoon was that the character of

the Conscious really doesn't have anything to

do with the story. I can't help but see that

now. You could tell the story of Pinocchio without

him. Pinocchio can learn all the lessons without

Jiminy. And I can't help but see that now. But

I don't think he's a bad character. I just didn't

rank him. I don't know. Characters fall into

like a very limited number of categories for

me. Either they're funny or they have something

to do with the story. They move the plot along

and he just doesn't do anything really except

just be there and sound nice because he has a

nice voice. He tries. I'll agree that he has

a nice voice, but I think one thing that Sketch

brought up is somewhat important that, for me,

it was much more than just a character from the

film. I think he had a presence in different

ways, shapes, or forms afterwards. But also,

I'm not a big fan of Pinocchio as a film, and

he was my favorite character in that film. I

want to live to be 93. I play safe for you and

me, because I'm no fool. As I said to Pinocchio,

Pinoc, there's two ways to do anything, the right

way and the wrong way. If you want to be right,

do things the right way. Because if you do things

the wrong way, that's the foolish way. And only

fools do things the foolish way, which is the

wrong way. Right? Anyway, let's see. Where was

I? Anyone can be a fool and do things which are

wrong. But fools find out when it's too late

that they don't live so long. That movie was

basically a horror film for kids. Yeah, it was

scary. I actually had Jiminy Cricket in the top

20, I think, just for more of the... kind of

moral compass that he was representative of for

kids I guess maybe or kind of that that kind

of character because we don't necessarily I mean

every once while you do get like the little angel

and devil character type thing and pop up in

a cartoon but to have a character that's that's

basically that is his thing is trying to Help

decipher good from bad. I guess it resonated

a little bit more for me So I had him actually

in the top 20 So I'm I didn't expect him to be

that high but I am happy that he made the countdown

because sometimes I was thinking maybe with the

Disney characters that some of the smaller Characters

some of the more side characters might be left

behind in favor of like we talked about Disney

princesses or different things like that So I'm

happy that he's on the list. So 69 all right

one point ahead of that at number 69 I guess

we're in a rut here if you want to look at it

that way because we're gonna stay with Disney

and we're gonna go back to female characters

here so number 69 we're gonna flip it a little

bit though because we're gonna go with our first

villain of the day and that would be none other

than Maleficent from the 1959 film famously voiced

by Susan Blakeslee and a lot of different things

Amanda We've had some Disney princesses, we've

had Jiminy Cricket. Outscoring all of them is

our first villain of the day, Maleficent. What

do you think? I think it's a solid choice. I

think that even the Angelina Jolie rendition

aside, she's a very memorable villain. And I

don't know if the original animated version of

her was as in depth. as you know of course the

Angelina Jolie one was but I think that we can

get a pretty good sense of who she was as a villain

and super cool because she can turn into a friggin

dragon. Dragon points for sure. Going I want

to go to Neil and Sketch before we go to Dana

myself because we're going to both represent

two different halves I think a little bit because

Neil and Sketch you guys did not have Maleficent

on there. How did you go about looking at villains

or looking at Disney villains? Does she not stack

up against those or was there just not room?

Let's start with you, Sketch. Yeah, I had her

on my list at a point and then she got bumped

for other villains, actually. I'm pretty sure

the one that I did bump her for will show up

on the list eventually, but yeah, I have no problem

with her being on the list. I kind of figured

she would be based on the total of everybody's

votes. So yeah, I'm okay with it, but I just

didn't find room for her on my list. Neil, are

you okay with it, or do you think this has taken

up a spot that should be better served for somebody

else? I'm okay with it. In fact, I think it should

be a lot higher because it is such an awesome

character. I think my problem is that I just

had kind of a blind spot to villains when I made

my list. I'm looking at it, and I have basically

all marquee characters, so it's like... the big

star of the cartoon is the character I put in.

Maleficent is one of the first Disney villains

that I think is really legitimately scary, you

know, aside from the whale in Pinocchio, obviously.

I mean, she was scary. I mean, like when I'm

five, I'm hiding under the table in this character.

Yeah, I love her. I think I think she should

be a lot higher, and I wish I had ranked her.

I mean, that might have been the thing. Maybe

some people didn't just have, I guess, the thought

to look at some of the villains of these shows

or of these films. Just wasn't thinking about

it. Dan, do you think that's a good reason for

why she's coming down already? Because you and

I had her ranked very high. I had her at 14,

and you had her at 16. So I'll let you go first.

Yeah, I'm actually really surprised she's already

coming up. I mean, when I was doing my list,

I did think of, OK, what are some classic? I

did purposely want to make sure that I included

villains. And I'm like, OK, what are some of

the most iconic villain animated characters?

And she was one that first came to my mind. And

honestly, a lot of it is just the look of the

character is a big part of it. I think she just

looks evil and menacing. And I mean, so much

so when they actually made the live action movie,

you can see they just basically, OK, we'll just

go with that. And that really changed much. So

yeah, and like Neil mentioned, she was a rather

scary villain with a huge, with a. ginormous

presence and for the longest time maybe no one

even came close to stacking up to her when it

came to Disney villains and Maybe we'll get to

some that have come close since but yeah, I I'm

kind of shocked to see see her fall I think definitely

in the realm of Disney and animation She holds

a special place So I would I would definitely

put her in the other top of other half of how

50 obviously because she was in my top 20 as

you mentioned so a little disappointed I kind

of looked at him as a group, because we talked

about this a little bit in the first episode,

too, that with certain things, you're going to

put everything together. And what's the best

out of that? So Disney princesses, if you're

not going to want to rank all of them, you're

going to say, well, what are the one or two best

ones? And I kind of did that with Disney villains.

I said, which villains for Disney really stand

out? And for me, Maleficent's probably one of

the best, if not top two or top three Disney

villains we've ever gotten. So that's why Maleficent

was as highly ranked for me. I think she's a

pretty great character. Great character. She's

scary. She's got the look. She's got the magic.

She turns into a dragon. I mean, there's a lot

of things going for her. So for me, she kind

of stands out. I can see one or two other ones

showing up, but I would be a little upset if

there was like five or six other ones ahead of

her, because I don't think that would be that

would be the justice being served there with

the Disney villains. Amanda, any other thoughts

on Maleficent before we move on? I don't know.

I don't know if I agree with that. I think there's

a few more super evil villains. that could pop

up here that are worthy, we'll see. Okay, we'll

have to wait and see. Dan, are you worried so

far? As we start this, we'll take a quick side

we've, not that it's a bad thing, but are you

are you worried that we're going to have a Disney

-fied episode today? Well, part of me says yes,

but then if a character like Melissa Finn and

Elsa are already going maybe Maybe not maybe

the looney tunes or what higher than I anticipated.

I don't know. We'll see I hope maybe we'll get

one more anime character, you know But something

that at least sketch you mentioned earlier is

that we might be seeing some 90s characters And

that's where we're gonna be going next 68 we're

gonna go again to another kind of Hannah Barbera

slash Cartoon Network character that originated

on TV in 1996 and that is none other than Dexter

from Dexter's Laboratory, so sketch will let

you go first you actually had Dexter ranked at

74 He's coming in at 68. How do you feel? I feel

pretty good about that Of those old Cartoon Network

shows I really wanted to whittle it down to the

ones that really stood the test of time in my

opinion and Dexter's Laboratory for sure marvelous

cartoon and You know, there's been so many shows

that have imitated it since then that I will

not name Okay, no, I got no beef with Finneas

and Ferb they arguably improved the formula but

Dexter's Laboratory It had that great chemistry

between Dexter and Dee Dee. It was kind of hard

not to pair those two. Good night, Einstein.

Good night, Major Glory. Good night, ghost of

dead fishy. Did you also see these slimy disgusting

spooked fish that just nearly killed me? No,

I just like to run around and scream real loud.

Very entertaining, very creative, fun show. And,

you know, it was very popular for quite some

time until, as most things that aren't Spongebob,

just kind of go the wayside on cable networks

these days. So I'm pretty content with where

Dexter is. I might be a little surprised to see

any other Cartoon Network characters pop up except

for maybe a couple, but I don't know. to wait

and see on that one. Amanda, you had this one

pretty close as well. You had Dexter ranked 54.

That's only 14 spots off. What do you think of

Dexter coming on, at least making the countdown?

Yeah, I'm glad that he made the countdown here.

I think that it's a relatively good spot for

him. Dexter, like most geniuses, was a dick,

but he was funny, and he did a lot of cool stuff,

and I liked his relationships with everybody.

I liked his wit, his humor. I think he was a

fun little dude. I used to do a really mean mandrake.

Impression, by the way, just saying. And I had

a lot of fun with him. I think he was definitely

somebody I was going to have to put on my list.

Neil, you had Dexter on the other side of the

50 mark. So are you a little upset that he didn't

rank higher? And why did you have him ranked

as highly as you did? That's just kind of where

he fell. I had like a pool of names and I just

kind of arranged it so that he ended up there.

I don't really have a preference where he should

fall. I love this show. I love the character.

Dexter, the way I see Dexter is he's kind of

like the straight man of the show and like all

the other silly characters are around him. And

that's fine because every comedy team needs a

butt avid. So Dee Dee was Manic and Mandark was

something else. God, I wish they'd ranked them

too. I didn't think of this. No, I really like

the character he's fun. I totally call them mandrake

like that thing from Harry Potter. That's right.

We'll forgive you Dan neither one of us had Dexter

on our list any comments on Dexter. I Mean, I

definitely show growing. I'm old Watch I watch

the cartoon. I guess I don't know I just there's

a lot of cartoons and a lot of characters to

rank and I think it's one of the things where

I like the show more than the characters per

se or You know some of the more side characters.

I've found more adorable like Dexter is a character.

He's interesting He's funny, but I I mean, I

don't have an issue here him being here for sure

You know, he's like dr. Doom and training or

something like that. But you know, it was a good

show I have no I but it's not one that I felt

the need the rank and I felt I had other characters

I preferred, so. Yeah, I don't know if it's maybe

just a lack of love for 90s on my part, or if

it was just a lack of love for Cartoon Network,

because you're not going to see very many Cartoon

Network characters showing up that I ranked.

Anyways, I think Dexter still is pretty iconic

for that time, so I don't necessarily have a

problem with him showing up here. I probably

would have had him on last week's episode, preferably

instead of this one. Moving on to number 67,

and we're going to go to another duo, and this

is a Disney duo, so we're right back to Disney.

Our number 67, another side character perhaps,

not the villain, not the Disney princess, we're

going to Timon and Pumbaa, putting them together.

for number 67. Dan, you had this one pretty darn

close. You had him at 71, however way we scored

this. It was very similar to Powerpuff Girls.

If somebody did split him up, we took the higher

one of the two. What do you feel about Timon

and Pumbaa coming in at 67? I mean, they were

a lot of fun. I remember watching the the NMA

cartoon show that they got shortly after The

Lion King, and it was great fun. They, I think,

brought a lot of life into Lion King when they

when they showed up. I think this is a good spot

for them, obviously, because it's close to where

I rank them, and I don't think necessarily they're

the most deep characters, but as comic relief,

I think they're very effective, so yeah. Yeah,

I would agree with that, and this is also surprisingly...

I haven't been listening this for a lot of the

characters, but they've been in over About 17

different either games shows movies or whatever

so they did have a life obviously like you mentioned

after the movie whether it was the TV series

or different things like that, so Definitely

a very popular set of characters for kids especially

Amanda you had them on the other side of the

50 mark in the 30s What do you think of Timon

and Pumbaa coming in here at number 67? Well

sad that they're so low. I think that they're

super popular really loved and I think that they

taught us some really great stuff and they had

a lot of heart behind them. Also some adult humor

every now and then that we enjoy and I think

that they are definitely deserving of a place

on this list. I can kind of see why they're at

this. this rank with our combined lists definitely

higher in mind just because it's a personal list

but I'm glad that they're here anyways. Sketch

one thing that this does bring up maybe is the

idea of like what what Neil was talking about

a little bit ago on the side characters from

some of these not necessarily just Disney but

you know side characters in general we had Jiminy

Cricket show up now we have Timon and Pumbaa

should we expect more of these not so main you

know protagonist antagonist characters or do

you think we've we've hit a couple the big ones

already I think we've hit a lot of the big ones

there's still a couple that I could see popping

I have more than a couple that I could see popping

up because sometimes the main character isn't

the best character of a movie or a show and I

feel like Timon and Pumbaa they really extended

the lifespan of the Lion King franchise pretty

much by themselves so they're worthy of the list

I don't think I put them on mine, which I feel

a little bad about. But they were just other

Disney characters that I wanted to see on the

list more. Fair enough. Neil, what do you think

about Timon and Pumbaa earning the spot in the

top 100? I like where they are. I think it's

good that they're higher than Jiminy. And even

though I did not rank them, I can't really contest

them being here. I guess they just didn't resonate

with me enough to make me think of them when

I made the list. I think they need to exist in

the movie that they're in because, you know,

it's the point in the movie where the worst possible

thing happens to T 'Pora. I almost said Kimba.

Simba. The worst possible thing happens to Simba.

And it's like really down and depressing. And

along comes Timon and Suma. It's like, OK, here

come the fart jokes. And it's great because they

add levity to a really depressing part of the

movie. Yeah, that's that's definitely a good

point I had them ranked in the other side of

the 50s as well But I don't necessarily have

any problem with them showing up here. I think

it's a it's a pretty good spot for them So 66

all right Let's go to our number 66 pick a company

that we haven't heard from today unless you want

to rank them in or Combine them in with Disney.

I guess we're gonna go to the world of Pixar

for our number 66 pick Dan you got this Only

miss this one by one spot. So you had him at

number 65. He comes in at number 66 and we're

talking about Carl from the film Up. What do

you think about Carl showing up here at number

66? With up you you think about like a Disney

or Pixar film where your main character is an

elderly gentleman I mean, I don't in that you're

gonna try to sell that movie to kids and uh,

it's a hard It's a hard sell and but I think

he makes it work. He's that reluctant hero I

guess you would say and you know find him as

a character very funny and similar To I think

some characters we mentioned he very much is

somewhat still the straight man and the craziness

kind of happens around him But he works well

in that role so in it helps with the fact like

the first ten minutes of that film really get

you on its side because it's such a bittersweet

or sad opening that you can't help but like feel

for him no matter how Angry he might act or how

much he just you know may not even care about

the safety of a young child But it's okay because

he's had a hard he's had a hard life, so it makes

it okay All right, yeah, I just caught up with

up this last year So and he did make my list

even on short He probably would have been higher

if I would have had a little bit more time even

to resonate on that film and the character But

even just on seeing it recently was was worthy

enough to make my top 100 So I'm in agreement

with that Amanda didn't quite make yours. What

do you think about him or? Maybe as you look

at Pixar characters. Did he not quite rank as

high as you wanted? I just tend to block out

a lot about that movie because it's so sad and

I can't take it. But I think that as far as ranking

him goes, I didn't rank him because I feel like

as good of a character as he is, it was more

of like an ensemble thing for me. And I liked

the movie a lot, but I liked the whole, you know,

with all the parts to it, not just the individuals.

All right. Sketch or Neil, any thoughts on Carl

from making the top 100? Well, God, I forgot

how depressing the opening of that movie is.

Have you ever seen the meme on the internet where

it's like the first 10 minutes of up, there's

no words and it's like still a better love story

than blank. And, you know, yeah, I do love this

character, but I guess he didn't rank just because

he's only in this one movie. And that's another

thing is that I may have had a blind spot also

to movie characters because if they only have

like one adventure and then They don't carry

on then they don't resonate as much. So that's

probably why he's not on my list But again, I

don't contest maybe a little maybe a little higher.

He's he is a great character Sketch, what about

you? yeah, I honestly didn't even think about

I ranked very very few Pixar characters total

and He's a great character. It's very refreshing

to have a grumpy old man as the main character

of a children's movie. I mean, I haven't had

a character like that since, what, Mr. Magoo?

You definitely feel for the guy, but yeah, it's

really more of an ensemble, in my opinion. So,

didn't have room for room on my list. Dan are

we selling Carl short? I Think so. I think like

like I said when you consider the crowd that

he's the one comes the animated films and you

have the ensembles there but if that that story

doesn't work unless you want him to succeed like

it is his story at the end of the day and I think

if for up to be what it is like you have to buy

into him as a character and then like all the

other stuff won't work and i think you're able

to do that because you know he's an easy character

to identify with he's one that certainly is um

has a dramatic weight to all the craziness but

he's also he's lovable in all his grumpiness

and that's a hard thing to pull off thinking

you know the voice acting is a big part of that

i guess i give him points for the fact that he's

a character that shouldn't work yet somehow does

so Yeah, I could see that argument as well. We'll

have to let the listeners let us know if they

think we got that one right or wrong with Carl

showing up at 66. And let's go also off the,

let's go off the beaten path here. 65 for number

65, a character that might not come to people's

mind immediately and a more modern character,

but worthy enough based on the combined voting

of everybody to make our list at number 65 from

FX, the first FX character, not that there was

a lot to choose from. We're going to go with

Sterling Archer. from the show Archer, originated

in 2010, voiced by H. John Benjamin. Amanda,

let's start with you. You haven't talked in a

while. What do you think of Archer making our

list? I don't really have any comments. I don't

ever watch that show. The only thing I've seen

of Archer is in commercials, and it seems outrageous

and ridiculous, but I think that it looks like

some adult -like stuff that I'm sure Has a big

following and probably why he didn't make your

list then. Um, let's go back to sketch and Neil.

Let's start with sketch What do you think about

Sterling Archer? It wasn't on your list But is

he worthy of being included in the top 100 for

the space that he occupies in modern animation?

I Love Archer. I think he's a great character.

I thoroughly enjoy the show again the ensemble

really makes the show but at the same time archer

as a singular character really drives the show

so i don't have a problem with him being on the

list i think i would probably have him not quite

as high because he's not that iconic i i would

argue maybe he's a better character than some

iconic characters but if you're trying to rank

this with iconicness being something heavily

weighted he really doesn't quite make it in my

opinion, but I I don't have a problem with him

being on the list and I'm kind of Happy to see

him. I Think this is the adult part of people

who are making these lists I think that they're

thinking of their preferences now and not something

that they've built over time, but that's okay

And if that's that's what floats your boat, and

that's what floats your boat Neil, agree or disagree

with the comments being made so far? All I can

say is that I've never seen a single episode

of this. The first time I saw Archer, I just

saw an image of it. And it looks like the type

of character that you would build in one of those

template, make your own character type things

on the internet. He looks exactly like that.

And I'm like, what is this? And then I'm like,

oh, this is a show? This is a cartoon? And I

don't know. I just never had. had any inkling

to watch it? Dan, we had Archer both ranked on

our list. Not quite as high as some people, because

Simplistic Reviews had it in their top 10, Talking

in Circles had it in their top 15. You and I

had 85 and 75. It comes in at 65. So what do

you think of Archer making the list? I do like

Archer. He is the character that we do see a

lot nowadays who's basically that asshole that

you still Love or like or deal with and you know,

he's kind of clueless and does a lot of stupid

things But he's ultimately funny and I think

that kind of one makes more works. He's very

brash. He's like if James Bond had no class or

charm Seriously, Lana, this must be what it's

like to have sex with me. How can an airboat

be selfish? No, can't hear you. I'm too happy.

You can't hear me because you're redlining the

engine. Oh, thank you, certified airboat mechanic.

Now, where's this pig launcher thing? This heading

one mile. Whoo! But I'm serious, Archer. If you

don't slow down... I'll keep feeling this incredibly

vibrant and alive. Yeah, right up until you blow

the damn engines off. Lana! I'm not gonna blow

the... Yeah, try clearing your throat about a

jillion more times Lana see if that helps I guess

the reason he made my list is because, for me,

he's still somewhat of a unique character. Whether

it's iconic or not yet, he's occupying a space

for me that not very many other characters have

occupied. That's a fair point. Yeah, and not

just modern characters. I'm talking about over

the entire course of animated characters. There's

not a lot of people that you could put in the

same boat with him. So he stood out a little

bit more for that purpose. He's like the same

kind of dude as Johnny Bravo with a better job.

See, you're talking Cartoon Network again, like

I before mentioned. I like to turn the other

way when Cartoon Network stuff comes on. Why?

Why do you have so much hate for Cartoon Network?

I don't know. topic for another day. Your face

is a topic for another day. All right, talking

about Archer. We're getting brassier. All right,

so let's open up a can of worms that we opened

up one time in last episode, and I'm sure there

will be some more hate when we do it again here,

and some questioning on our knowledge of what

it means to be an animated character, perhaps.

64. But our number 64 is actually going to go

back to the world of The Muppets, technically

maybe not always animated characters, but in

one way, shape, or form, they have been at times.

So I don't know how we're gonna get by this one,

but we're gonna go to Big Bird for number 64,

originating on 1969 television episode, voiced

and operated by Carol Spinney. Obviously the...

subject of a pretty interesting documentary in

recent years, but a lot of people obviously weren't

going to rank the Muppets or Puppets or anything

like that because they're not technically animated

characters. We tried to justify that by saying

that there wouldn't be a list for them in the

future, so we're kind of shoehorning them in

here. Regardless of all that nonsense, Amanda,

what do you think of Big Bird coming into 64?

It's super lovable. I think that he's really

iconic and something that we all grew up with.

I don't really know if I dig all of the Muppets

on here yet. There's only two so far. Elmo and

Big Bird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I know that

there's gonna be more than if Big Bird's on here,

and we've seen them. Does it get bigger than

Big Bird? I don't know. There's so many more

to choose from. Why would only two? So, I don't

know. He seems great. I wasn't like a huge Big

Bird fan, but do I really remember my Sesame

Street days? No, so I Think he's he's definitely

iconic enough to be on this list sketch. You

had this one this character ranked pretty high

yourself So what do you think about Big Bird

coming in here at 64? I love Big Bird I wanted

Big Bird to make the list if any of the Sesame

Street characters Muppets made the list. I felt

Big Bird was very justified very iconic beloved

Has had a very long lifespan. I mean big birds

still around so Yeah, I think big bird belongs

on the list. I I think maybe he should be on

the other side of 50 but whatever Dan are we

just setting ourselves up for uh, do we have

a big target now on our on our backs with including

these muppets? Oh, when don't we when don't we

uh, so Yeah, I like I said, I I didn't I didn't

rank The the Muppets, but hey we're gonna do

it's a list people will find something to complain

about But I do well, I'm happy the fact that

Big Bird beat Elmo. So I consider that a win

either way Neil agree or disagree Big Bird is

better than Elmo. Oh, yeah I guess you could

kind of split hairs about whether this counts

as an animated character, but the way I look

at it, Jim Henson is one of my personal heroes,

and he was an amazing graphic artist, and basically

what he did for a living was to take his drawings

and bring them to life, which is basically what

cartoons are. And for Big Bird, I hope that there

are more Muppets higher on the list, just because

he's a great Muppet, but he's not the best Muppet.

But he does have one of the most iconic scenes

uh from my childhood one that's like ingrained

into my brain just the episode where mr hooper

died and they they uh they didn't sugarcoat it

but they were really gentle with it and they

yeah they it was it was a really moving scene

they didn't they didn't pull their punches but

they were gentle enough that they that they were

honest about what had happened, what death is,

and it was appropriate for their audience that

they did that. Yeah, I definitely remember that

episode hardcore. That definitely had an imprint

on me as well. Big Bird for me was a huge character

in my childhood. I think I always somewhat snuffled

off against a little bit better, even though

he wasn't necessarily as... Deep of a character,

I guess, but I was a big fan of Big Bird, so

I have no problem. If we're gonna include Muppets,

he should be higher than Elmo, so I'm fine with

that. going to our sixty third spot one thing

you can definitely say is that we have no bias

against non speaking characters because this

is going to be our third so far showing up on

the list so we're not we're not subtracting points

from people just because they don't speak and

we're also going to go to back to the Looney

Tunes characters which we haven't been to in

about 10 picks so let's get our second Looney

Tunes character of the day out of the way here

at number 63 with Wiley Coyote originated in

the 1948 short has been in 21 different shows

movies games, etc But not usually voiced it has

been voiced very minorly a couple times but not

usually voiced Dan you had Wiley Coyote at 42

He comes in at 63 just about 20 spots off. What

do you think of Wiley? You mean obviously a hugely

influential character. I think every unit one

knows you know Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner

the Probably one of the most infamous rivalries

in all of animation or just in general He very

much takes a lot of like the if you look at silent

films and a lot of the comedy that he evokes

It's very similar, you know from Western Keaton

or other Directors like that. He's a villain

kind of but you almost end up reading for him

just because of like how horrifically he can

mess up and fail and you just you know He's just

an endless amount of great comedy. I mean, he

may not have a lot of dimension compared to some

other characters. Maybe why he didn't rank higher.

He is kind of the same joke over for the last

whatever some many years, but it's a well -made

joke and it's done effectively. So, oh man, is

that why he does not make a spot on your list?

I just had a lot of other picks that I felt a

connection to, but I didn't with Wiley and the

Road Runner. I think that I would have um ranked

him if i would have thought a little bit more

about him because i think that he like dan said

it's probably one of the biggest rivalries ever

and how many times has that that same joke been

been brought up and been used and even live action

things i mean like painting the the uh railroad

tracks or the tunnel on a brick wall or whatever

he does and and i think that he is so iconic

and showing up shows up in so much stuff that

I can see why he's on this list. I think it would

have been dumb if he wasn't on this list. I think

that a little sad I didn't rank him now that

we're talking about it. It's interesting as we

go through this, how we have some of those moments

where we're like, wait, why I ranked him that

high? Or wait, I didn't rank him? Neil, are you

a little upset that he's not on the other side

of 50? Because you had him ranked at 15 overall.

Oh, yeah. He should be much higher than Sylvester

the cat. Because he's basically Sylvester. cranked

up to 1 ,000. He's the ultimate slapstick character.

He's just getting the business every cartoon.

And I don't care what anyone says. Punching down

is hilarious, because you feel sorry for him,

but you love to see him fall off the cliff and

get the boulder land on him every single time.

He's driven. He's dedicated. Yes. You know, the

ACME corporation that fails him at every point.

It's great. sketch you did not have tweety you

don't have Wiley Coyote were you saving your

Looney Tunes picks for other characters and you

don't just think these two are worthy enough

or just not a fan of Looney Tunes in general

I like Looney Tunes a lot I feel like I had a

little bit of a blind spot here I probably should

have ranked Wiley Coyote because he is like the

ultimate slapstick character and that It's an

important character in the history of animation.

So yeah, he should be on the list. It gets hard

with some of the Looney Tunes characters because

I struggled the same way. He did not make my

list actually either, so I'm not trying to be

hypocritical and not point out that he wasn't

on my list either. But man, when you have like

the couple dozen Looney Tunes characters and

you're trying to whittle it down, sometimes it's

hard to decide which ones rank over other ones.

So I think that's something that will be interesting

in retrospect when we're done to kind of look

back at some of the groups and see how they all

ranked it and if we got it right or wrong. But

I didn't mean to cut you off. You had another

thought? Not too much, but yeah, I think if he's

on this list he probably should be on the other

side of 50, but it's good that he made the list.

All right, let's move on then to our number 62

pick. Actually the first pick of today that originated

in the 1980s. So a 1980s original character,

and we're gonna have to see if we catch some

flack for this one or not. I don't remember how

he fared in the Facebook versus matchup that

he was involved with, but we're gonna go to a

character from Amblin Entertainment for our number

62, and that is from the 1986 film, Fievel. So

Fievel from American Tale or American Tale Fievel

Goes West And I'm not gonna mention the third

movie coming in at number 62 Amanda you're not

on your list. No love for Fievel I did love Fievel

but this was like a couple of the movies that

my cousins had and I didn't have so I only got

to watch it when I went to their house and It

was kind of out of my head and until I was there

but super cute lot of heart love all the characters,

love like the world building, how you know the

animals were kind of the people here. I thought

it was really well done and the stakes are pretty

high. Like motherfuckers were dying and stuff

in this and there's some rats and stuff like

people were hardcore, okay? Let's keep it going

with the people that didn't have it ranked because

most of most of us didn't. So Amanda, you didn't

have it ranked. Neil and Sketch, you guys didn't

have 5 -0 ranked either. So let's start with

Neil. Why no love for 5 -0? I think each of the

successive sequels just diluted it more and more.

And it's just hard to love a character after

you've seen three bad movies in a row. And by

the way, there was a fourth sequel and it's awful.

So what if it had just been the first film? Would

he have enough love or would it not have had

enough staying power? He might have made it if

there was just the one movie because the first

movie is great. It's the Don Bluth curse, you

know, he makes one movie and then the production

company wants to make a sequel without them and

and it always just goes to shit Sketch did the

TV series hurt Bible or Definitely hurt Bible.

I Forgot about that. I like the second movie

actually Fable goes west. I liked it For me,

it wasn't until the third one that things went

off the rails Yeah, yeah, exactly No, I just

didn't think he was the the movies themselves

if I was ranking movies I would probably put

at least the first one on that list, but I Not

the character himself. He's just It's not that

big of a deal Well, let's hear the the counter

side to that argument cuz Dan you had him actually

on the other side of 50 you had him at number

37 and I don't remember how he fared in the matchup

against I believe he was against a little foot

from the land before time and we did our Facebook

matchup if we could only put one of them on the

list if we get the right one and what's the argument

for him being even higher ah Geez little foot

versus him. I would probably kill little foot.

Maybe I don't know Well, I will say is I never

watched any of the movies outside of the second

one in never knew animated series existed. Part

of it, too, is that, you know, there is an element

of nostalgia for this pick for me because I was

a huge fan of both of those films growing up

as a kid. I just also think for a cartoon character

that he was a lot more complicated than you would

normally get, especially for the time. And we

especially one that certainly representation

of in the first film, you know, the immigrant

story that that's told. And I think that's something

that you often don't see in and we still don't

see today. So I feel like as a character, he's

one that is more complex than I think you can

realize. And, you know, he's a tough character

because he can be overly cute because he's just

a little kid mouse. But I thought, you know,

they did a good job of not just making him this

one note, just, oh, cute type of character. And

he kind of made him a full fleshed person with

goals and dreams and one that you could get behind.

So I felt like that's the big reason I chose

him. All I can remember when I think of him too

is like the the western film and him having guns

and Cowboy hat and craziness. So yeah, so I guess

that's part of it. That's like similar to uh,

what's up, you know how we were a character that's

out sort of normal I guess I guess that's kind

of how I felt with five old like Obviously, there's

more iconic mouse characters when it comes to

animation But I'd argue if you look at just the

complexity of character He may be a little bit

more interesting to me than some of the more

famous characters that are mouse and animated

I had Fievel ranked as well. I had him at 71.

I agree. To me, part of this, like you said,

might be a little bit of nostalgia because I

did grow up with these first two movies and I

loved Fievel when I was a kid. I think one of

the reasons I loved him so much is because as

a kid, obviously, you're getting that character

that you're supposed to connect with. You're

getting the child character that's almost like

a coming -of -age type thing. But what they did,

I think, with this film is they didn't dumb it

down. They didn't necessarily just make him...

They didn't go too far with him. He still seemed

genuine to me or somebody that you could relate

to the issues and the problems that he was going

through. It wasn't just this generic... you know,

young kid type character. They had like saloon

girls and stuff? Yeah. Some of the stuff was

pretty adult. And his best friend was a cat.

I mean, so I don't know, I liked Bible for it.

And I think Dan has some points there with the

level of depth and some of the stuff that he

was going through compared to some of these,

like we talked about, even with some of the iconic

characters that are just more one note type things.

So I think he scored bonus points for me for

not being just a one note character, so. All

right for number 61 let's go back to Pixar and

answer a question that we asked last episode.

Last episode we had a certain character show

up and we were we were questioning whether we

would have any more from that film or not and

that question can be answered here at number

61 when we get our second character from Inside

Out showing up and that would be Sadness from

the 2015 film. So we had Joy at number 98 we

get Sadness at number 61. Dan start with you

here. Is that the right ordering should there

be 30 spots between these two characters? Is

that how do you how do you make sense of joy

and sadness both showing up? Like I actually

understand sadness being on this list much more

than joy because I do feel like she was by far

the like the stand -up Character among that group

when it came to the film. I think we mentioned

previously as a whole They think they work a

lot more than individually a great voice performance

one that she's the one that added really an element

of element of sadness bad word choice, but She

was by far probably the most important character

in that movie and it was a lot of ways her story

and No, and how she had such a huge impact in

how that plot went out if anything like I don't

I feel this is a little high though I probably

would what I would do is take her put where her

where joy was and then take joy out completely

But like I do like her as a character a lot But

like I said, I don't know if looking at some

of the characters that we've gone through already

if she's as creative characters are as memorable

as they are, and I would say no. So I think this

is far too high, honestly. I was going to actually

say the exact same thing that I would put sadness

where joy was and kick joy out of the top 100

because I ranked sadness, but I did not rank

joy. I think out of all the emotions, she was

the most pivotal one. She was the most important

one. And she's the one why that film resonates

it without sadness that or without, you know,

as a successful character, as they created with

sadness, that film just loses everything. And

I thought Phyllis Smith was phenomenal in that

role as well. So I can see sadness being much,

you know, right in that first 10, 15. but I think

that's the only character from Inside Out that's

really worthy of making the list. Amanda, what

do you think about this conundrum that we're

at, and I don't think you had either of them

ranked, so is Inside Out not worthy of having

characters in here? I think that if we were to

rank them out, we'd just put all of the motions

together as one, just because I really don't

see that any one of them was more important than

the other in relation to what Riley was going

through, because she needed all of them, and

I think that it... It was just too soon after

release for me to rank them yet. I think I just

had a lot more connection and feelings towards

some of the more older iconic characters, and

that's who I wanted to give respect to on the

list. It definitely got love from some of our

film contributors. It was in the top 30 for both

simplistic reviews and in -session film. Neil,

what do you think? Did any of the emotions belong

here? I've never seen this movie. I had to just

go look this up just now to see what it was.

And I'm like, yep, that's a Pixar character.

I don't know who he says. It kind of looks like

a Disney fight strong sad, if you know what that

is. Well, it definitely could be like what Sketch

was talking about too with the other Pixar film

that came up so far today is that some of these

maybe are a little bit more effective as an ensemble

than if you start taking them out one by one.

Sketch would agree or have you seen this movie?

I have seen the movie and my comments is similar

if you're gonna have sadness on this list and

bump joy And Carl should be ahead of sadness

At the very least if we're right, so maybe we're

getting our characters and we're getting our

picks are all mixed up here I'm starting to worry

I'm gonna blame JD and Brennan because I know

that they like creamed about this movie And maybe

the simplistic review guys. Pretty sure they

would too. Should we expect to see Anger or anybody

else? Riley? Alright. I vote Riley because that's

me. Alright, let's move on to number 60. His

name has already been mentioned actually today.

When we were talking about Cartoon Network and

I think when we were talking about Archer, he

might have come up. Amanda, so... We got number

60, Cartoon Network's another 1990s character

with Johnny Bravo, voiced by Jeff Bennett. Did

not make my list, surprise, surprise. Amanda

Mai is Johnny Bravo worthy of being in our top

100. Man, I don't really know, honestly. I watched

a lot of Johnny Bravo. I think he was really

fun. I think that he... He had a good heart and

said some really awesome stuff, had killer hair

and super cool muscles. But I'm not really sure.

It's not like he taught us anything. It wasn't

like he was a super relatable guy. He just wanted

to work out and get honeys, I guess. To be fair,

you only had him at 90, so it's not like you

had him super high. He was just a part of my

childhood. I think that he was just somebody

that I remember and remember having Neil, I'll

let you make the argument because you could probably

have the best place to make it from because you

had him ranked pretty high in the top 30. Why

is Johnny Bravo worthy? I think he just appeals

to the total pig part of my brain. He's so awful

and yet he's hilarious. Oh my God. You know what

else it is about him is that he's you need characters

like like little girl Susie and his mother to

kind of sweeten him up because he is he is kind

of a pig but you know you you understand that

he also cares about his mom and he loves the

little girl even though he tries pretend that

he doesn't and that that really sweetens and

all sweetens him up a lot so you can so you can

laugh at the terrible jokes that he makes and

and all the pigheaded things that he says. When

they introduced his loser friend in the second

season, he's like, Hi, Johnny. And I'm like,

Oh, God, get this guy out of here. Just completely

ruined. Yeah, completely ruined the concept of

the show. But I love I love the first season.

Great character. Hello, everybody. Yay. We had

a problem with our male guest today. Can I find

a volunteer? Man, you smell pretty. Is that a

yes? Hello! Welcome to Vandala! Yay! Today's

episode, Muscle -Bound Men and the Women Who

Think They're Poo Pets. Boo! Our guests include

self -proclaimed macho man Johnny Bravo! Boo!

Boo! And Jane Smoot, author of Big Muscle, Small

Mind. Yay! Nice to be here. So Jane, what's the

deal? Well, Vendela, the problem with men like

Johnny is they are completely narcissistic. Hey,

wait a minute. Did she call me a sissy? Men like

Johnny are afraid of strong women. Hey, hey,

hey, hey. I ain't scared of no big old buff women.

Oh, yeah? If Johnny Bravo is on this list, I

feel he's he's too high I would I would definitely

put the powerpuff girls and Dexter above him.

I would probably put the powerpuff girls above

Dexter too and Johnny Bravo is a fun character

but he's also kind of bad kind of a terrible

character they would never air this today oh

no absolutely not there's no freaking way Dan

Sketch brought up some of the other Cartoon Network

characters that we've seen in it and we've had

stuff like You know space ghost in a way powerpuff

girls dexter johnny bravo beating all of them

out Is that right wrong or what's going on here?

Oh, man, I don't know if i'm the right person

to ask but i'll say no, uh I mean johnny bravo

was fine. Like I I could only Watch that cartoon

I think for a short while so I got just kind

of bored or annoyed with him as a character Like

yeah, he was funny, but like similar to some

characters he mentioned. I never felt like His

joke was kind of the same thing. He was like,

yeah, he's like the Fonz if the Fonz had similar

to Archer being with James Bond with no charisma

or charm. He's like the same thing with the Fonz

if he's Fonz had worse luck, I guess, or I don't

know. But he was fine, I guess. But I felt like

I in similar enjoyed the Powerpuff Girls. That

show and those characters of more Dexter as well

I guess I get just I would go tired of him quickly

Maybe I don't know why I for some reason that

would happen with him But I enjoyed archer when

you could kind of argue a lot of their traits

very similar Maybe it's just the jokes. I found

I found more funny with her sure has more personality

Yeah, I just I guess my problem would be that

we're ranking Johnny Bravo higher than Maleficent

Higher than grommet higher than Chippendale.

Yeah So, I mean if he's gonna make the list I

don't know how you justify him being ahead of

some of those people I'm actually really disappointed

in some of these these choices that we've had

so far these these results that we've had so

far and I really I'm questioning some of these

people that submitted lists. Ouch. You're calling

everybody out. Everybody on blast. Yeah. All

right. Well, something we haven't done in about,

oh, let's see, six or seven picks here. Let's

go back to Disney. 59. For our number 59 pick,

it's not a Disney princess, it's not a Disney

side character, it's not a Disney villain. Let's

go to Simba. from The Lion King at number 59

from 1994. Matthew Broder in the film, Cam Clark

and a lot of things later does the voice there.

I did have, we did have some comments though

when Simba came up on one of our Facebook matchups

that I believe somebody said that Simba was inconsequential

to the entire film, which I don't understand

that comment. So maybe you guys can help shed

some light on Simba's worthiness or not. Who

the hell said that? I don't have names. She's

out for blood. I think I might get that because

what happened at Pride Rock after he left is

that they basically had a bad season. plants

died and and it's rainy and dreary and like and

he shows back up and the sun comes out. He's

like, yes, I did this. I brought the sun back

and it's like, no, you didn't beat up your uncle.

And like all the camaraderie and like the the

pride in the pride was gone and they were forced

to, you know, be manipulated by somebody who

really didn't care about them and the whole,

you know, I don't want to say their father figure,

but the person that was holding them together

and was supposed to care for them and protect

them was forcing them to live with their enemies

and fucked it all up. But I don't think it had

anything to do with just the weather. I mean,

I could see that argument either way. But Amanda,

you had Simba rank pretty high at number 36.

So how do you feel coming in at 59? I can see

that I don't I'm not gonna argue with the ranking

here But whoever said that you know he was inconsequential

to the story I think you're dumb because the

whole story revolved around him like in his tragedy

and him stepping up to his rightful spot and

having to deal with choices that he made and

kind of coming to terms with who he is and what

he needs to do to protect the people that he's

really responsible for. So I think that was the

whole movie. Yeah, I think it kind of depends

on what perspective you look at the film and

what you think the film's about, maybe to a certain

extent. But I think it's also interesting, Dan,

we have now we've seen some Disney villains,

we've seen some Disney princesses, we've seen

some more, you know, kind of side characters,

even a side character from this film in Timon

and Pumbaa already. But one of the first just

main characters that's not necessarily a Disney

princess so is he does he rank high amongst that

group of if we're kind of doing like subcategories

is is that a thing that we should be looking

at and how does he rank amongst them and he didn't

make your list so is he worthy of making the

list overall? I guess when I looked at Lion King

I did want to rank some characters for Lion King

and I like we mentioned rank Timon and Pumbaa

and I think a few others but I wouldn't say he's

inconsequential to the movie. I think obviously

there's elements to it, but he's not the most

interesting character in the movie that he's

in, but that's kind of purposeful in a way. Like

he, it's his journey. He's developing, he's going

through this, you know, he's being, trying to

be manipulated by, he's learning. So it is these

characters that he's interacting with that are

the ones that he is kind of a growing relationships

for because with that, I think you don't get

Simba as the most, you know, he's not say like,

Aladdin per se, who is, you know, jumps out off

the page from right away. So I guess if you're

raking him against other, like, male or Disney

-centric characters that aren't princesses, I

mean, there's not a huge amount to choose from.

I'm thinking of, like, from Robin Hood. I guess

I'm thinking of, you know, you got, like, Pinocchio,

Peter Pan, like you mentioned, with Aladdin,

you know, Robin Hood. Male protagonists. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess he's not one of the first ones

that comes to my mind. I mean, Lion King is one

of the first movies. But like I mentioned, I

tend to gravitate towards other characters in

that. But I think that's the product of the of

the storytelling in a way. Like, I do think he

has great development as a character. And so

he does have that going for him. I would say

that, you know, he's deserving of the list. I

probably would have put in put someone like Maleficent

higher or some other characters higher just because

I feel as as individual characters, they're stronger,

but I don't think this will be the last we'll

see of Lion King, would be my guess. Neil, you

already talked about the inconsequential comment,

but you didn't get to have a chance to talk about

your overall thoughts on Simba in general. And

like Dan's saying, if we see Simba here, should

we expect to see more Lion King characters still

coming up? I was about to say there better be

more, but the two that should have been higher.

have already been on the list. I was kind of

riffing on the movie, but the character of Simba

is kind of, I don't know, he's kind of one of

the more uninteresting character types, which

is the hero. But that's a common thing anyway,

like a lot of hero characters are not really

very interesting. Once they reach their goal,

there's no more story to tell. It's not like

you can do a sequel of... They did do a sequel,

and yeah, it's not very interesting. The sequel's

not very good. But yeah, I guess I just wouldn't

put him on the list, because he's just kind of

a one -note character. Once you get him through

his story, there's nothing else to do. He's just

going to rule uneventfully, because it's happily

ever after. It's a problem with a lot of Disney

movies is that they can't exist outside of themselves.

The ones that you want to go on are like Timon

and Pumbaa, you know, who rightfully had the

cartoon and not Simba. Yeah. Sketch, talking

about Timon and Pumbaa, do you think we got them

in the right order or not? Simba, about 10 spots

higher. Definitely not. Simba's kind of bland.

I mean, he has a greater role in the whole lore

of things, you know, as he has. a descendant

in sequels and then becomes the father figure

and you see that whole progression of the character

but he's still just kind of a bland hero who

gets real sad because his daddy dies and thinks

it's his fault and goes off on whatever and then

comes back and is like now i have to be responsible

not that interesting I think it was super heartfelt

though the journey that he had to go through

because he saw his father die he was living with

the guilt that it was him and he had no support

system until he found Timon and Pumbaa and he

couldn't even be with his own family like how

how can you even put yourself in that mindset

and then have to come back and realize that you

have a responsibility and not just an obligation,

something that you feel pride in and that you

feel like you need to be worthy of. And he proves

that he's worthy of that. And he really does

step up. I think he has like a super big arc

and he's deserving of the love that he gets.

And I think that this was a super huge movie

for a lot of people and really iconic. And I

think this would be a very incomplete list if

he wasn't on it. Do you know who would agree

with you, Amanda? J .D. because they had this

at their number one. So they had Simba at number

one for In Session film. I will say before I

give Sketch a second to jump back in that I do

think he's one of the best singing voices of

Disney history as far as the young boy singing

voice was phenomenal for Simba. But Sketch, go

ahead and finish your thoughts. What? No love

for Matthew Broderick? Well, I mean, it wasn't

quite that. There's actually there was actually

two other people that did voices for his songs,

but I think the one got cut and you can see that

in the special features for the blu -ray so Yeah,

I mean I don't I don't have a problem with Simba

being on the list Should he be ahead of Timon

and Pumbaa? I don't think so. He shouldn't be

ahead of Maleficent and several other characters

So maybe the most polarizing of the characters

that have come up so far, back to back here with

Johnny Bravo and Simba. We'll have to wait and

see how people weigh in on those. But let's go

back to another Looney Tunes character with our

next pick, 58. And another Looney Tunes character

that doesn't speak really. So some people would

pair them together, but we had them separated

here. We have Road Runner coming in at number

58. Another of the Looney Tunes characters, Dan,

are we getting the order right so far? We've

had Tweety Bird show up, then Wile E. Coyote,

and now Road Runner. I guess it's hard for me

to separate Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote. You

can't really have one without the other. And

I guess I would say if you're going to separate

them, I would put Wile E. Coyote higher as a

character because he's the one where all the

comedy comes from, where Road Runner is just

the object that he's chasing. It's like. putting

the tornado ahead of the people in Twister. Well,

maybe that's not a good comparison because they're

probably more interesting. Of all the Looney

Tunes characters we talked about today, I think

Wile E. Coyote is probably the best. And I would

put probably even Tweety Bird ahead of Road Runner.

But I think if I were lumping together, I would

put the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote actually

higher than they are right now. Neil, you had

Tweety Bird at 75, Road Runner at 65, and Why

the Coyote at 15. So you definitely separated

the two of them and had some space between them,

some significant space. So what do you think

about the order we're getting them so far? And

why was Why the Coyote so substantially more

of an interesting character to you than Road

Runner? Because the Road Runner, again, is a

character that is just a one -note character.

He doesn't really do anything. He just runs and

occasionally stops for bird seed. And that's

all he does. And all the jokes are with the Coyote.

in fact i can only think of one time that the

roadrunner ever had a joke and it was uh uh roadrun

or coyote falls off the cliff says holds up the

sign says something about the law of gravity

and the roadrunner holds up his own sign says

like says like i never studied law or something

like that it's the only joke he ever had and

otherwise he just yeah he just doesn't do anything

i'm not i i don't know what i was thinking maybe

maybe he shouldn't be higher than tweety but

that's all right Fair enough. Amanda, so far

none of the Looney Tunes characters that have

made the top 100 have made your top 100. Just

not a fan of Looney Tunes? I mean I watched a

lot of Looney Tunes but I think that that was

when I was much younger and I didn't, they didn't

resonate as much with me maybe because they weren't

talking and I couldn't get into it or whatever

but I think that Rogue Runner, he was definitely

a part of the humor. He had these looks, you

know what I mean? That's where his humor was,

like the high got you or whatever it may be.

Just even a look at the camera, if you will,

or a wink or something like that. And I think

that... The two of them probably should have

been together, honestly. Sketch, you didn't have

any of them ranked either. I know I already raked

you over the coals for that, so I won't do that

again. But we also, now this is another example

of a non -speaking character. Are you surprised

at how many of them are having some weight here?

Because we had Roadrunner, Wiley Coyote, Krom

at Snake Eyes. Are you impressed that we're ranking

so many non -speaking characters? Because like

Amanda said, sometimes it might be hard for some

people to connect to some of those. Guess I'm

not too surprised. I mean all these all these

non -speaking characters have been fairly iconic

and popular so and I'm sure that there is at

least one or two more that could list The our

Roadrunner I do think Roadrunner has more personality

than people give Roadrunner credit there's as

as Vandy said there there was looks that Roadrunner

would give You could you could kind of see what

was going on in Roadrunner's head a lot of the

time and He was just a troll. He just liked messing

with him He was he was a little a little bit

sadistic But he always was there to watch Wiley

fall off the cliff that's for sure. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah There's a great clip from the movie

UHF where Weird Al Yankovic describes the Road

Runner cartoon and it is perfect. We'll have

to wait and see what our super fan there and

so let's submit her. David says because he had

Road Runner actually in his top he had it right

at number 12 so I think he did pair those two

together though Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote

so like Dan said sometimes hard to separate those

two from each other so maybe if we would combine

them maybe they'd be even higher. 57. Going to

our next pick though, a world that we haven't

seen too much from at all. Let's go to number

57 and we're going to go to the world of Dr.

Seuss. Actually originated in a book in 1957

and that would be The Grinch. Amanda, I know

you're a big fan. You had him ranked at number

four. So he was in your top five. He shows up

right now at number 57. Thoughts? A little sad

that somebody my top five is falling already

but he was just a huge part of my childhood and

something that i still look forward to seeing

even now as an adult and i think that his arc

is one of the most dramatic that i have ever

seen in um an animation i'm gonna say that i

think that he is so iconic and who doesn't know

who the Grinch is, he's a household name. He's

brought up in more than just discussions of Christmas,

not Christmas spirit, but animation. It's about

Christmas spirit, and if somebody doesn't have

it, you're automatically a Grinch. We don't have

to be talking about the movie here for him to

come up. I think that... He was big enough to

even make a live action movie, which I loved,

Jim Carrey as the Grinch, PS. And I think that

there's so much memorable about how the Grinch

stole Christmas that it's just something that

sticks with you from... however old you are when

you see it, probably pretty freaking young, to

even now as an adult, I think it's got possibilities.

It's rewatchability, even though we know what's

gonna happen, it's just something that brings

out those Christmas feelings in you automatically.

Every who down in Whoville liked Christmas a

lot, but the Grinch, who lived just north of

Whoville, did not. The Grinch hated Christmas

the whole Christmas season. Please don't ask

why no one quite knows the reason. It could be

perhaps that his shoes were too tight. It could

be his head wasn't screwed on just right. But

I think that the most likely reason of all may

have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

But whatever the reason his heart or his shoes

he stood there on Christmas Eve hating the who's

Staring down from his cave with a sour Grinchy

frown at the warm lighted windows below in their

town For he knew every who down in whoville beneath

was busy now hanging a holly And they're hanging

their stockings. He's snarled for the sniff.

Tomorrow is Christmas. He's practically here.

Then he growled with his Grinch fingers nervously

drumming I Must find some way to keep Christmas

holiday themed character, I guess you could say

and how that would rank against You know, just

some more general character sketch you had a

Grinch in your top 20. So let's go to you next

What do you think about Grinch showing up here

on this side of 50? the Grinch is just We're

always thinking about the Grinch. How can you

not think about the Grinch? It's so iconic. You

see it every year, even if you don't try to.

It's the Grinch, man. And the whole story is

all about the Grinch. And as she said, the Grinch

has a great character arc. He starts out as a

Grinch. He's not such a nice guy. He thinks he

should take everything away from everybody to,

you know, kind of... get them to shut up, but

he soon realizes that it's better to love and

to share and to give, and his heart grows however

many sizes that day. It's a great story. It's

a great character. I mean, absolutely. I think

that Grinch is worthy of the top 20. Neil, maybe

we'll get the other side of the coin here because

you did not have the Grinch ranked. What do you

think of his worthiness? Another blind spot for

me. I guess it's just that when characters have

a limited exposure, he's only in one cartoon

ever. It's the kind of thing where I just wasn't

thinking of it. But I love the character. I think

Chuck Jones really transformed that character,

even from the book. The book was fantastic. The

cartoon really put a stamp on that character

and made it something. Voiced by Boris Karloff,

for Christ's sake. And I think it was Tim Burton

who pointed out that when he gets the awful idea

in his head, the smile that he has just keeps

going and going. It just gets, it's like, it

just gets to be a bigger and bigger, deliciously

evil grin, the longer it's on screen. It's amazing.

Now, obviously, a lot of the Dr. Seuss characters

have not all been animated, so to speak. I mean,

we did have the very successful award -winning

Cat in the Hat cartoon that's been playing in

recent years that has featured some of the characters.

But was this Dr. Seuss's one chance of getting

into this countdown, Dan, with the Grinch? I

would say so. There are some other Dr. Seuss

films that are OK, like The Lorax is fine, Horton

Hughes is fine, but they don't even come close

in comparison to just the longevity, iconicness

of the Grinch, of course. I think if you're just

looking at Dr. Seuss characters in general, he

probably is the top one by far. You know, it's

just a lexicon word. It's just something that

people use to describe a lot of things. So I

think he's a part of Christmas as much as any

other. movie, cartoon, what have you, and obviously

the book, but I think the film itself or whatever

you want to call it, short TV movie or whatever,

is probably the one thing, at this point, Dr.

Seuss may be best known for. And I think it's

probably overcome the popularity of the book

and from the song, and it all works because of

that character. And from the look to everything,

I think he is certainly... a great kid character

for kids or adults. I think he just works and

it's kind of a simple concept that's well executed,

which is what Dr. Seuss became famous for. He

just knows how to get something that sticks and

Grinch certainly has. All right. You know, Dan,

at the beginning you had mentioned that in your

prediction for this episode that we might be

seeing some Looney Tunes characters possibly

today, and I think you had that somewhat pretty

accurate here because we're going back to the

Looney Tunes 56. Some may argue that he is more

iconic than all the ones we've listed so far,

yet only two of us actually had him showing up

in our top 100. It originated in the 1935 short,

and we're going with none other than... Porky

Pig at number 56. He's been in 43 different shows,

movies, games, et cetera, et cetera. Obviously,

original voice Mel Block and Bob Bergen later

on. But Porky Pig, number 56. But Neil, you and

I are the only ones that had Porky Pig listed.

I had him at 61. You had him at 43. So I'll let

you start here. Why is Porky Pig deserving amongst

the Looney Tunes characters? Well, he's iconic.

He was the first star. I think what may have

heard him is that he's not he's not really funny

on his own. He's just kind of the stuttering

pig who? He's seen the first few cartoons of

his they team up with Gabby Goat, and they weren't

really that funny once they put him with Daffy

He became the greatest second been a banana of

all time because you know like the Roadrunner

he would just He maybe wasn't as as sadistic

as the Roadrunner, but he he kind of grinned

whenever Daffy would get his comeuppance And

that's basically the essence of the character

is that he's just like this great secondary guy.

Yeah, I can see that argument as well. Sketch,

what do you think of Porky Pig? He's a very good

sidekick character. They've tried to give him

more of a protagonist role in certain shorts

in more recent years. other versions of Looney

Tunes but he's always just kind of been a side

character and he works very well for that but

he also feels a little one -note but at the same

time he's just kind of an average guy which is

maybe a reason why a lot of people don't think

about him you know despite being like the tagline

for how many Looney Tunes shorts but Have no

problem with him being on the lists Maybe a little

bit lower Amanda agree or disagree porky pig

deserving or not? I think he's he's a kind of

enough to be on this list I don't have too much

exposure with him. So I didn't break him. I mean,

I know who he is I know what he looks like. I

know what he sounds like I know why he's popular.

I think the most I remember of him though is

like in space jam, so Sorry, I didn't rank him

guys, but I definitely think that he is worthy

of this list. Dan, do you think some of these

older characters, especially maybe older Disney

or older Looney Tunes, Hanna -Barbera, maybe

another company you could think of, we're fighting

an uphill battle to get on this list because

maybe they're not as much on people's minds as

some of these more modern characters? I think

so because I think when people think of Porky

Pig, yeah, people know his that's all folks.

But honestly, for me, I have not a great deal

of exposure to him beyond that. And which is

a big reason I didn't necessarily rank him. I,

you know, when I was looking at Looney Tunes

characters or Disney characters and other ones

came to my mind first and I felt, you know, had

presence was a little longer. Maybe that's an

issue among air on my end, but not knowing his.

His history, but I think when you have when you're

a part of such a huge thing like Looney Tunes

that you sure it's a crowded field so and You

tend to you know, what have you done for me lately?

And he hasn't unfortunately done a lot lately

compared to even other Looney Tunes characters.

So and He is obviously on the list, but that's

kind of why I didn't rank him. I just felt for

me personally. I Enjoyed other Looney Tunes characters

more Yeah, I can definitely see that argument

as well. I think he's more of an iconic character,

so to speak, and maybe not as resonant or connected

character that, you know, really connects to

people for emotionally or nostalgic -wise. I

think maybe reputation is his best card to play

there. We haven't had a tie in a while, but we

do have a tie here at our 54 -55 spot. 55. So

losing out on that tiebreaker. Interesting that

they're all coming up in this episode because

we've already seen two of... their characters

from this medium, from this franchise, I guess.

And we're going to go back to the world of Lion

King for number 54. And this time, we're going

to go with a character named Mufasa, obviously

most famously voiced by James Earl Jones. I guess

the conversation now becomes, again, Lion King,

three different representations all coming in

this episode so far. Maybe there will be more

to come. Who knows? And Mufasa outranking both

Simba. and Timon and Pumbaa. Amanda, what do

you make of all this? So a little weird that

he's or he I guess anybody really from Lion King

is is at this stage in the game here. I would

have think that they were a little bit higher.

It's just really iconic and well known and loved

by a lot of people and a lot of generations now

and I think that Mufasa being ahead of Simba

I can kind of see it but I think Simba was more

in the forefront, whereas Mufasa was more of

the heart of the film. I can see that. Sketch,

is it a symptom or a reveal here of maybe a bias

amongst the list of fans of the movie of Lion

King? Or are there other properties that we could

maybe see? You know, because this one's not coming

from this is not just like, you know, Looney

Tunes or stuff like that. This is a specific

franchise. We've already seen three characters

from that. What do you make of it? I'm a little

surprised, to be honest. I'm not surprised to

see Timon and Pumbaa, a bit less surprised to

see Simba Mufasa I'm kind of scratching my head

on. I feel like maybe people wanted to give lip

service to like one really good dad character

because there's a lot of terrible dads in cartoons

and there's very few good ones. Simba, I'm very

disappointed in you. I know. You could have been

killed. You deliberately disobeyed me. And what's

worse, you put Nala in danger. I was just trying

to be brave like you. I'm only brave when I have

to be. Simba, being brave doesn't mean you go

looking for trouble. But you're not scared of

anything. I was today. You were? Yes. I thought

I might lose you. I guess even kings get scared,

huh? Mm -hmm. But you know what? What? I think

those hyenas were even scared. Because nobody

messes with your dad. Come here, you. Oh, no!

No! That's interesting that you bring that up.

Could kind of see him making the list above some

of the other characters that have been on the

list I don't know if I would necessarily say

he's among the 100 best animated characters There

could be another Lion King character haven't

gotten to the villain yet This this list is getting

kind of weird I guess for my thought process,

you kind of brought up the good dad thing. I

actually just did a recent top 10 for Geekcast

Radio Network on the best animated dads. And

he actually came out number one when I did that

list. So I think there's a lot to him as far

as the way he's presented and the morals and

the lessons he's teaching and a lot of things

that, like you said, we see a lot of bad cartoon

dads. So he scored maybe some bonus points for

me because I had him ranked in the top 20. Dan,

what do you make of Mufasa being here ahead of

Simba, ahead of Timon and Pumbaa? I mean, certainly

when you think of characters that have a presence

to them, Mufasa is up there. I mean, the entire

goings -on of Lion King, in a way, is based upon

him. His death his life he is kind of that that

symbol that that drives the movie in a lot of

ways And I think he certainly you know James

Oles Jones Jones his voice will do that for sure

and I think like we mentioned as a father character

He's one that has lived on and and now memes

everywhere because I think there's that Lion

King meme that we see forever and the life lessons

that he gives and yeah his time is short he you

know but it says a lot when a character was within

in a movie and it's not that long period of time

but has such a huge impact i mean obviously when

people talk about animated animated deaths he's

probably maybe the up there is the most iconic

it's close i mean yeah people will talk about

bambi's mother dying spoiler alert but uh i think

she died I know. But as a character, I think

Mufasa is far more interesting and much more

of a presence than she is. I mean, her death

is more based upon the fact of her relationship

with Bambi. I think Mufasa certainly has an impact

there. So yeah, it's hard though when you compare

it to other characters that have much more development

and things like that. And you see them evolve

movie throughout the movie or throughout a cartoon

series. So it's a challenge when you compare

those. So I, you know, I certainly think he belongs

on this list more than Simba does. But I honestly

think of all the characters we talked about,

I think, I don't know. I think because of their

Have they popped in other things to moon boom?

But to me, I think I would probably put the highest

of all the Lion King movies Cartoon or characters

we've talked about so far Neil I'll give you

the final thoughts on Mufasa. What do you make

of everything that's going on here with all the

Lion King love? He must just be getting by on

good dead points because I I don't I don't know

what he's doing here I mean, I said that Simba

was kind of uninteresting, but I think Simba

belongs on should be higher than than Mufasa.

He's just, he's not in the movie that long. And

it's like, another thing is that someone mentioned,

you know, Bambi's mom, and I had seen that as

a kid, you know, and then Optimus Prime died.

I saw that in the theater and that wrecked my

childhood. When this movie came along, I'm like,

eh, seen it. And it's like, it didn't resonate

with me. It's just like, okay, that's James Earl

Jones. You know, he sounds cool. You know, he's

a good dad, but he... didn't get a lot of character

development so when he died I was like I sympathized

with with Simba I agree it was a very sad scene

but you know the character was there to die and

he just didn't that character without Simba he

just wouldn't resonate at all actually that was

freaking traumatizing I don't know you're just

so desensitized sir maybe I guess it depends

what you see first and all this other type of

stuff. But I don't know. I think it's an interesting

debate on Mufasa's credentials there and whether

he belongs or not. 54. The other part of that

tiebreaker and who won in that tiebreaker coming

in at number 54, how about? a character from

the world of anime. We're gonna go with Totoro

from My Neighbor Totoro and the Miyazaki film

from 1988. Dan, you had mentioned that we hadn't,

maybe we'd get another anime character. Was this

the one you were thinking over? Do we still have

hope for more to come? I think there are probably

some more. I wasn't sure if Totoro would make

it or not. I know we did get some. other Studio

Ghibli characters up to this point. And so it

kind of makes sense that we would get the character

that legitimately is the icon for Studio Ghibli.

And I know like for specifically for Japan, Totoro

was such a huge cultural. Icon, I mean his toy

still outside, you know, are huge sellers today

We talked about characters that don't speak at

all and I guess he can add another one to the

list I mean of the other studio Ghibli characters

we talked about I think if you're looking at

a character standpoint I think I like, you know,

Nausicaa is one I would put I probably would

switch these out because I like Totoro He's a

fun character. He's enjoyable. But you know,

he's not he's lovable, of course, but as There's

not much to him in a way. He's just kind of there.

I guess if you're just looking at, you know,

cultural impact, he's huge. I mean, like, maybe

not so much in this country, but in other countries.

Yeah, you had it fairly close. You had it at

48 and it comes in at 54. I actually had this

ranked in my top 15 just because, like you said,

the cultural impact that I felt went along with

him. Amanda, you've recently watched this film

as we did for the Miyazaki Spotlight. What do

you think of Totoro coming up on the right around

the halfway mark? I don't understand why he's

so high, but maybe that's just because I haven't

had much exposure to him until lately. And I

feel like I'm seeing him a lot more places now,

like driving through a town near us, Cherry Valley,

they have like a scarecrow kind of contest thing

where businesses around the area put up scarecrows

and they call it like scarecrows on parade or

something. And there's like a giant Totoro. That's

one of the scarecrows. And I'm like, I would

never have known what this lumpy cat thing was

before this year. I mean, I think the film in

itself is really good. And I think Totoro is

interesting, but just because we don't really

get much about him yet. So maybe if there wasn't

this cultural barrier, I would understand why

he's so high. But yeah, I think that he's definitely

worthy of being on some list because he is so

iconic. Sketch, we had a handful of anime characters

last time with a character from Akira from Princess

Mononoke. We had Astro Boy, we had Nausicaa like

Dan mentioned. This is the first one we've had

today with Totoro. What do you think? Does he

deserve to be that much higher than those other

characters I just mentioned? I don't think he

should be higher than those other characters,

much less that much higher. Don't know how astro

boy is so low in comparison And also I feel like

Nazika is the best of the zibli characters as

a character Totoro is more iconic so I can kind

of understand with the way we were structuring

this list that he would be higher than her but

I don't quite like it. I Think Totoro should

be on the top 100 Not quite this high He is iconic,

but as a character, he's pretty lacking, and

I never liked him that much. Alright, fair enough,

fair enough. Neil, any thoughts on Totoro? Well,

I have a few anime characters on my list, and

he's not on mine. I've seen the movie, he's...

I think he's a good character. He's obviously

a very iconic character. He was in Toy Story

3, for Christ's sake. But, you know, the movie

is just... I don't know, it's typically Studio

Ghibli, and I think that... I don't know, something

about Studio Ghibli movies, they kind of feel

like someone, you know, kind of shaking a puppy

in your face. It's like, oh, it's really cute,

but, you know, it's kind of, okay, it gets old.

And I like the character. He's kind of this big...

owl cat looking thing and he's cuddly but he's

also a little bit scary because it's like this

there's this big thing that could crush you but

he loves he loves you it's like dating kevin

thanks for that he's like eight feet taller than

me Yeah, interesting though. Almost everybody

that ranked him did rank him in the top 50. All

but one person that put him on their list had

him in the top 50. I kind of wish Matt was here

because I think he would have had some more awesome

stuff to say about Totoro. I'm sure he has a

lot more character detail that he could go into

with Totoro. We'll have to get his thoughts on

a future time. But only three spots remain for

today on this side of the 50 mark. So let's get

to one of those spots. 53. At number 53. Back

to Looney Tunes. And this time, we'll go a little

bit different here. I guess you could say a villain

character, and that is Marvin the Martian. So

Marvin the Martian is showing up here. Neil,

you're the only person on the panel that had

him on your top 100. So why did we all get it

wrong to not rank Marvin? Well, I wouldn't say

that you're wrong. It's just that you can only

put so many Looney Tunes characters on the list.

I think that if I if I had put every single Looney

Tunes character on here that I thought was great,

it would have been like a quarter of my list.

So some some had to be sacrificed. Right. And

he's he's a he's a funny character. He's not

in a lot of cartoons. And oddly enough, I don't

think he's ever we know his name, but I don't

think I've ever heard his name in a classic Warner

Brothers cartoon ever. Yeah. Just that thing

where I didn't even know his name. He was just

like that guy. the Centurion helmet on that kind

of like lost points for me as a kid but you know

I've come to I've come to love him he's he's

one of those great Chuck Jones characters I had

a few good cartoons with Bugs and Daffy and I

think he kind of came into his own later like

with the Duck Dodgers cartoon and other cartoons

of that nature but not not not really my favorite

Looney Tunes character a lot of greater ones

that I put on the list instead of him All right

sketch we've had a handful half dozen so are

so Looney Tunes characters today You know, we've

had Wile E. Coyote Road Runner Tweety Porky Pig

Marvin the Martian beats them all. What do you

think? I'm okay with Marvin beating all of them.

I Yeah, I Would say Marvin's among some of my

favorite one -off Looney Tunes characters You

know, it kind of depends on the version of him

He's got a lot more personality in the Duck Dodgers

cartoon and even in the more recent Looney Tunes

the Looney Tunes show but I didn't put them on

my list cuz like Like you said, there's so many

Looney Tunes and there's so many other characters

from like Hanna Barbera, Disney, and all of those.

So it's just kind of hard to squeeze Marvin on

there, but I'm okay with him being here and I'm

also okay with him being that high among the

other Looney Tunes characters. But naturally

he falls behind. I would figure he would fall

behind quite a few others. Speaking of that,

Dan, just based on the group that's been mentioned

today that I already read off all the names,

obviously we didn't have any in the first episode,

really, classic Looney Tunes characters. But

based on the ones mentioned today, what does

that say about the list going forward? And should

we expect, like Neil was saying, you could have

listed 25 Looney Tunes characters. Are we going

to see 25 more Looney Tunes characters in the

top 50? I wouldn't say 25. It's hard because

it's like Porky Pig and you know, Marvin the

Martian they're kind of two different ends of

the spectrum in a way like I Wouldn't have mentioned

with Porky Pig. Like I said, I feel like what

have you done with me lately? Not you know as

I feel like he moved away from being a centerpiece

I felt like with Marvin the Martian he still

is in a lot of ways like you still see him pop

up here and there You know as mentioned he was

in Space Jam as the referee. So there you go.

I know way too much about that movie So for me,

he was always one of my, like I always enjoyed

that character. I always found him to be a lot

of fun. I always enjoyed his adventures and like

his back and forth with Bugs Bunny and other

characters. So I really don't know what this

says because it's hard to really get a grasp

on what people are ranking when it comes to these

because, you know, I would think Marvin the Martian

wouldn't, would be. well behind someone like

Wile E. Coyote. So I, I don't know. It's strange.

Like thinking of like log some, some of the other,

like you send me Sam and some of those other

ones that I would thought of would have come

up by now, but who knows if they're going to

be on the list at all. So it's kind of a weird

mix. If anybody else, but Kevin would have compiled

this list, I would have been like, I feel like

there's some tampering going on because this

doesn't make any frigging sense. No tampering.

What do you think though, Marvin the Martian?

I don't think that he is worthy of being this

high at all. I think people know him. I think

he was another one of those characters that was

worn out a lot of like gray sweatshirts in the

90s like Tweety Bird. I don't think he's above

Tweety by any means. Dan said probably not 25.

What do you think 10? More Looney Tunes characters

in the top 50? Yeah, I can see that. All right.

We'll have to wait and see. 52. All right. Only

two spots left. Taking that 52nd slot. Let's

go back to the world of anime for a 1990s character.

And that would be from the TV series and from

the manga before that, Sailor Moon coming in

at 52. Let's start with you, Amanda. You just

got done talking. Let's let you talk a little

bit more. You had Sailor Moon at 76. She comes

in at 52. She definitely got me through some

afternoons. I always look forward to seeing her.

I think that she is really well known. I don't

even remember the other people in the group,

the other sailors. Sailor Mercury? Yeah, I think

that they were cool and I think they all had

you know, individual stuff going on. I don't

remember a lot of them right now, though. Like,

maybe if I rewatched it, I'd be like, oh, okay.

But I think that her showing up on the list,

it's not surprising. Not really sure about the

ranking. Maybe it's a good spot for her, I would

say, right in the middle. We had Sailor Moon

in one of the Facebook matchups as well. And

I think there was a couple people talking about

how iconic she was and how influential she was

for certain things that come after it. And even

during that time sketch, you had it very similar.

Amanda had Sailor Moon at 76, you had Sailor

Moon at 77. So what do you think of Sailor Moon

coming in here? I think this is a pretty good

spot for Sailor Moon. Definitely an iconic character

with a lot of reach. The whole magical girl superhero

genre in Japan really came out of Sailor Moon

and a few other shows. But Sailor Moon was easily

the biggest of all of those. And it's still popular

today. I mean, it was off the market for a little

while because of rights issues, but they brought

it back recently and it's been killing it in

sales and video streams and they made a new series

and it's still very, very popular, very iconic.

I think Usagi, Serena as a character is kind

of annoying. She has her good points. I like

a lot of her friends more as characters, but

they definitely don't stand out as much. I don't

have time to play these games with you. You're

not getting away! Now, Supreme! Hey, wait! We'll

all be electrocuted! So, really, the central

character is the one who's gonna make the list.

And I think this is about right for Sailor Moon.

Maybe a little bit lower. But considering how

iconic and how... You know how long the franchise

has been popular I'm not surprised to see it's

pretty close to the 50s Interesting that this

is I believe the first character that we've had

that actually has appeared on three different

people's top ten So say their moon it was in

three different people's top ten two of them.

It was at the top five Dan you were more similar

to Amanda and sketch you headed at 88 So what

are your thoughts of say their moon just missing

the top 50? I mean, I did not really watch Sailor

Moon. My sister did. So I kind of watched some

here and there. So I'm not maybe the best person

to ask, but I do know if you were talking about

female anime characters, she's hugely... Influential

on top of many people's list and I'm sure a lot

of people like you said what do people on the

top five? So a lot of people are gonna argue

that she should be much higher I'm not one that

could argue for or against that because I was

just looking at Just the overall impact the character

had and it's certainly certainly there So I guess

depending on your your take on the character.

You could say that she deserves to be higher

I'm fine for where she's at It's fine. I guess

overall, I guess I I'm not a huge Sailor Moon

in Fishing Out Out. So I kind of know the song,

but that's about it. So yeah, I think all I know

is the theme song. Neil, any thoughts on Sailor

Moon? Well, I didn't have her on my list. And

I think what it is is that I couldn't tell if

I put her on the list if if it was based on the

character or just on the show. I mean. The character

really didn't resonate with me but I understand

why she's iconic. I have no problem with where

she's at. It's a show I've watched maybe a handful

of times and was like okay this is silly and

then I moved on. Went and watched Johnny Bravo

instead I guess. Oh because they're not a teenage

girl. That might be. Yeah so Sailor Moon coming

in at the 52nd spot which means there's only

one more spot for today. 51. You know, in the

first episode, we only had three Disney characters,

and we've outdone ourselves and had about eight

now on this section of the countdown. So we're

going back to the world of Disney, back to male

protagonist. And interesting, I guess we could

have some conversations against him and Simba,

because at 51, we have Aladdin. from 1992, or

if you want to go folktale -wise, back into the

1700s. So a character that has been around for

a long time, but maybe just, I guess, looking

at the Disney version for this list. Aladdin

comes in at number 51. Amanda, you expressed

some dissatisfaction when one of your top five

Grinch came off the list. Aladdin, just outside

your top five, you had him at number six. What

do you think? He just missed the top 50. I'm

glad that he beat out Simba, but... I don't understand

why he's this low. I think that he was really

fun and had a lot of... I don't want to say potential.

He had like a lot of juice, like a lot of spunk.

Like he had that thing that we all wanted and

he like had confidence. He had drive. And I think

it made him a really relatable character too.

Like he was just a regular guy. Like we brought

it before and like, like... in the words of the

great Drizzy Drake, start from the bottom, now

we're here. I mean, definition of that, if you

want to get down to it. And I think his movie

had a ton of really awesome supporting casts.

So we'll see if some of those other side characters

beat out the main character here. Interesting.

Yeah, we will have to wait and see on that. Sketch,

what do you think of Aladdin beating out Simba

and some of the other Disney characters that

we've talked about so far? I'm okay with Aladdin

beating out probably all of them except Maleficent

Right Aladdin's a great character. He's he's

got a lot of charisma Personality he's entertaining

by himself and he's also entertaining when playing

off of other characters And he's an underdog

and we can all kind of appreciate that, you know

so I think he's got a good arc. He's good enough

character by himself and He's a protagonist that

you want to root for even though he occasionally

does things that you probably shouldn't be proud

of I Didn't even care that he was stealing bread

and shit like I was Hey, man guys gotta eat He

gave those other orphans some bread too So, yeah,

I'm good with him making the list. Didn't really

come to my mind, honestly, but I don't have a

problem with it. Neil, too much Disney love for

us on this episode, or what do you think, with

Aladdin coming in in the last spot? Disney's

not the problem. It's just that I think Aladdin

is another one of those characters that kind

of suffers from the Dudley Do -Right effect,

which is he is the least interesting character

in his own story. Like, everyone else around

him is goofy and funny and... and has all these

great memorable lines and he doesn't really the

genie is far more quotable than he is he doesn't

really have any uh have anything like really

something you could put on a t -shirt i would

say uh he does he does win in the end he's the

one who i wasn't sure if i should even bring

that up but yeah i guess that's the one quotable

line of his which allegedly isn't what he said

I forget what the actual line is, but... It's

like, good teenagers take off your clothes or

something like that is what it sounds like, but

I don't know what the actual, like, garbage is.

I'm pretty sure that's not what it is. Yeah,

he does beat Jafar in the end, which is great.

You know, he's the one who tricks Jafar. It's

not the genie who wins. The genie's just there

to be the jokey character. Aladdin is the hero.

And I think he is a better character than Simba.

Definitely. So I like that he's higher than Simba.

Maybe other Disney characters should be higher.

Lipsyn definitely. Dan, this might be one example

where you and I both were able to keep our own

personal bias somewhat off the list because I

know you're a big fan of Aladdin as a film. I'm

a huge fan of Aladdin as a film and neither one

of us actually had Aladdin on the list. So why

were you trying to keep personal bias off this

list? Isn't this something like that's supposed

to be a personal thing? I was trying to keep

it in check as much as I possibly could. I'm

not gonna just put a bunch of stuff that I know

everybody else likes. I'm gonna put some shit

on here that I like. No, not about what everybody

else likes, but about culture. impact, iconicness,

and some things like that had to factor in, at

least for me. Dan, what kept Aladdin off your

list? I think Blake mentioned, I think, so many

other characters in the movie are, you know,

are overall more interesting, iconic, and colorful

characters than Aladdin. It is his story, and

I do think I would put him above Simba because

I do feel like he's a bigger part of what's going

on. He's far more charismatic. He draws you in,

and I think he is much more part of the story,

where Simba's just kind of, things are happening

around him. Like you mentioned, Aladdin's probably

my all time favorite Disney movie, but I didn't

want to have 5 ,000 characters from Aladdin,

and I felt like some other ones were a little

bit higher. And where Aladdin... The characteristics

of his animated form are not all that different

than his original concept where the other animated

characters are more brand new and certainly a

lot more lively and become something completely

different because of the animated film. So that's

kind of why I went the other route with some

of the other ones and ranked them compared to

Aladdin. All right, yeah I think that must have

been my process too because I'm trying to figure

out how I didn't have Aladdin listed somewhere,

at least in the 90s maybe, but I just didn't

have enough spots for him. I'm sure if we expanded

this and we're doing 125 or 150, maybe he would

have found a spot. But I just didn't have the

slots for him, so he ended up being on the outside

looking in. But here he makes it on the last

spot of this side of 50. Real quick, just taking

a look at the list and ask you guys a few questions

to kind of get some closing thoughts on this

set of 25. Obviously, one thing that I mentioned.

early on that we only had three Disney in the

first and then we had eight Disney this time.

So definitely more Disney presents. Like Dan

mentioned, more of a Looney Tunes presents. We

had zero in the first section and five in this

section. I believe Sketch, you mentioned something

about the 90s possibly being a thing. And we

had nine or 10 90s characters, not just the Disney

love from Aladdin and the three Lion King characters,

but we also had the three Cartoon Network characters

and some things like that. Other things to think

about, female characters. We had a plethora at

the beginning. We had four to almost start off

the show, and then we only ended up with six

total. So six total female characters. We had,

let's see, three bad characters in Maleficent,

Wile E. Coyote, and Marvin the Martian, if you

want to count all of them as bad. Start with

you, Amanda. What are your thoughts on this section

of 25 here, on this side of 50? What did you

think surprises something you would boot out

something that you were happy showed up? What

do you think overall? I think I would definitely

boot out more than the Martian. I think this

was one section that's had me is shaking my head

a little bit and and trying to figure out people's

process here because Johnny Bravo beating out

some of the people he did I don't get that at

all. Didn't he beat out like a Ninja Turtle too?

Yeah. Geez Louise. How did Johnny Bravo beat

out any of the Ninja Turtles? I don't get it.

But hey, I mean I mean, we did have a little

bit of variety here, though. I mean, we did have

a Dr. Seuss character. We had a Fievel in there.

We had one Muppet. We had Archer, a couple Pixar

grommet from Aardman. Dan, one thing that she

mentioned, though, that made me think of it,

that we had a turtle last episode. Something

we had a bunch of in last episode was more of

those 80s action type things with Skeletor Cobra

commander Donatello snake eyes, etc. Etc. None

of that today What are your thoughts so far overall

from this set of 25? It is weird like a Interesting

seeing the Disney characters that we did see

because they're you know I figured we would see

some Disney characters, but you know some of

the ones I didn't expect I think you know, like

Mufasa and a few others. It's weird. It's hard

to it's hard to predict anyone. I think that's

kind of bound to happen when you have such an

open field with characters like you do here.

It's really hard to really narrow down. So it's

really a crapshoot in a lot of ways. So it makes

me wonder, you know, we talked about the 80s

action. I'm sure there are, you know, a handful

that we're going to see coming up along with.

I'm really really I think my biggest thing is

surprised and how on underrepresented something

like the Looney Tunes are and Like I'll bring

that up again, and maybe there are gonna be like

three in the top 50, but it's It's we'll see

I guess another thing that I wanted to bring

up sketch that I just thought of too is how underrepresented

this section was with the classic Hannah Barbera

or the whole countdown overall yes, we've gotten

some of those kind of hybrids of the Hannah Barbera

slash Cartoon Network that we talked about with

the 90s characters but outside of because I think

that's where Space Ghost was must have been getting

his love with last episode as well as a couple

of other characters outside of droopy droopy

and Dick Dastardly we haven't had anything from

classic Hannah Barbera You can talk on that or

you can talk about any of the other points that

have been up But what are your thoughts so far

sketch on this set of 25? I think with the Hannah

Barbera, we're gonna see a lot more in the top

50 They're just more iconic, very memorable,

they come to mind easily. So I think we'll definitely

see probably not too many, but I don't want to

say maybe, maybe around 10, I feel. That's a

possibility. I feel like this, the first 25 that

we did, it kind of seemed to fall in line for

the most part. this next batch has been kind

of weird. I think it really goes to show you

how everybody does their lists very differently

from each other. Right. And factors in different

things. And it's kind of hard to wrap your brain

around some of these choices. But I think also

just the process in which these characters points

are added up can make for some anomalies, if

you will. Yeah. And other people Probably just

really wanted a character on the list anywhere

So they ranked them very highly just to make

sure that they got on the list Which definitely

kind of cooks the books a little bit. Yeah That

doesn't even cross my mind when I'm making this

list. It's like, how much do I love these people?

Not like, how can I make sure that this gets

on the list somehow? Right. And for the most

part, I try not to do that as well. I know it's

been done. I try not to. Neil, some heavy hitters

or some at least iconic characters that fell

off the countdown here with Porky Pig, Minnie

Mouse, Maleficent, stuff like that. What are

your thoughts just overall on this set of 25

or all 50 that we've revealed so far? and what

does it have to say for what's still to come?

I think when you have such a pool of people from

various different generations, we all have our

idea of who the most iconic cartoon characters

are of all time. But when you try to mix them

all together and then you look at lists of how

it falls, it's like, what? What? Remember, too,

that this is over, what did I say, over 600 characters

got votes? Yeah. Something like that. As far

as what's going to be coming is that I'm fairly

certain you're going to see an avalanche of Looney

Tunes characters. Maybe an avalanche of Hanna

Barbera. I think Hanna Barbera is a little more

spotty because they've been off TV more often

than the Looney Tunes characters. So, you know,

maybe a certain Stone Age family will get in

there, you know, had a very popular serial for

a number of years. Maybe they'll be up there.

maybe a certain Bear and maybe maybe a certain

Great Dane and maybe not much else because Hanna

Barbera has kind of a spotty nostalgia. I love

all of them, but you know, a lot of other people,

they just kind of look at me like, you know,

yeah, who the hell is who the hell is Quick Draw

McGraw? What the hell are you talking about?

So, you know. Oh, yeah, I'm. I don't know if

he's going to show up on the list, but I expect

that a lot of the iconic ones will. Dan, we've

had a couple of last question here before we

wrap this up. We've got a couple of different

things pointed out that we may be seeing maybe

a cascade of Looney Tunes characters, maybe Hanna

Barbera, maybe Disney. Which of those three companies

do you think reign supreme? And then a follow

up there, because it made me think of it when

Neil was talking here of the Stone Age family.

We've hardly seen any. more prime time or adults,

I guess, quote unquote, cartoons or characters

from those cartoons show up. Should we expect

to see some of those as well? Well, I think if

anything, looking at what's come so far, my guess

is Disney is going to win supreme, especially

if you count Pixar in that, if you have like,

you know, some of the characters that we've had

so far. And I guess for some of the primetime

shows, my guess is if, at least for me and I

think just some people, what they probably did

is when you looked at some of those primetime

shows is pick one or two people. And then you're

going to get some of, maybe that's going to cause

some of those to be ranked much higher. So I'm

a little surprised by that because when we talked

about the top animated, I don't know, when we

did overall TV series. Last year we did a lot

of the you know animated shows didn't make the

cut So I'm surprised we haven't really got you

know, I guess you want to count count Archer

in that I mean Birdman and Space ghosts as well,

but that's a kind of a different bag in a lot

of ways So yeah, no family guy. No Simpsons on

Futurama. It's that's kind of surprising a little

bit I hope that doesn't mean that we get like,

you know, 10 Family Guy characters in the top

15. I doubt that's going to happen. But we might

see one or two. My guess is we'll probably see

one character from each of those shows, maybe

two, three at the most. But yeah, and no southbound

characters. That's kind of crazy. So we'll have

to wait and see if that's a theme moving forward

or not. But definitely give us your feedback

so far on what you've been hearing and what your

reactions are. We didn't talk too much about

feedback because we're going to save all that

for the wrap up show. So we'll get a chance to

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What's your individual Twitter? I'm at movie

revolt Amanda. What's yours? Hard Candy Mandy,

I's no Y's. Sketch, how do people contact you

on Twitter? At Sketch1984. And Neil? Neil Sama.

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come to you guys next time with the first set

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you then.