GCR – Episode 57 – Top 100 Animated Films Wrap Up

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Films Countdown Joker's back in town! Hello and

welcome to Geekcast Radio episode 57, the wrap

-up episode to the Top 100 Animated Film Countdown.

I'm your host, Steve Megatron Phillips, and joining

me in this final episode of the countdown is...

Optimus Solo. Movie Revolt Dan. And TV's Mr.

Neal. So before we jump into our main conversation

for the day, the ghost of TFG1 Blanchard will

be piping in with a special prepared clip right

after this. Take it away, he says. Well, I have

to say thank you to everyone who gave feedback

for the top 100. Most of it's been positive.

There are some gripes that are legitimate, and

I agree that I personally could have done a little

bit better on my list, but I did spend three

days straight going over my personal top 100

that I submitted to Optimus Solo for the final

list inclusion. Now, as far as my anime bias

or lack thereof towards anime, I'm not someone

who watches that. And this, to me, the top 100

animated films, when I see animated, I think

regular, traditional animation, not anime. I'm

not an anime fan. I recognize and respect the

genre for what it has done. But it's not something

that I watch a lot of. As you heard in the records,

there was one movie, Ninja Scroll. I had seen

that. So, I mean, I have watched some anime.

I just don't watch a lot of it. And I'm not going

to, regardless of what anyone thinks, watch anime

to make up my list. You know, I got a lot of

the classics in there. There was some stuff that

I forgot. I want to let everyone know about my

top five. My top five changed over the course

of the three days that I took to put my list

together. My top five were The Lion King at number

five, Aladdin at number four, Transformers the

Movie at number three, Batman Beyond Return of

the Joker at number two, and Wreck -It Ralph

at number one. Now, I do know Kevin's math process

in going into doing these top 100s. If you rank

a film, number one, it gets... 100 points, or

whatever it is, and number two is 99, and so

on and so forth, etc., etc. That's the general

math he uses. So, over three days, my top five,

at one point I had Lion King at number one and

Wreck -It Ralph at number five. At one point

I had Batman Beyond Return of the Joker at number

one. They all mixed and matched for the longest

time until I finally settled on the order that

I sent with Kevin for the final list. Now, Transformers

the movie at number three. I don't care what

anybody says about, oh, it's just Hasbro making

room for new toys. Take that away from it. Look

at the story. Look at the animation. Transformers

the movie, if that was the only thing that Generation

1 had actually done, it would have been the best

thing ever. Look at those characters. I guarantee

you at least one character in that film. that

was shown on screen the majority of the time,

someone would be able to relate to at some point

or another. My personal opinion was Transformers

the movie is the third best movie of all time

because of everything it did. Even if you take

the fact that, even if you take away from the

movie that, oh, it's Optimus Prime dying, if

you take that emotion away, it's still a damn

good movie. It has a good story that flows from

beginning to end. It has great animation. Overall,

there are some points in it that it's a little

sloppy at best, but overall it's really, really,

really cool. And that's the way that I went about

making my list. I just went, I wrote down 100

films, I then put numbers to all of them, and

I jumbled them all around. As I said before,

there was some stuff that I did forget, but overall...

I'm very happy with the list that I turned in.

And I'm very happy with how the countdown has

turned out. The list is, I'm very pleased with

it. I think it's great. And the feedback, thank

you to everybody who sent in emails. Thank you

to the people that sent in voicemails, MP3s.

Thank you to Optimus Solo and Movie Revolve Dan

for putting this together. Optimus Solo did all

the math and all the rankings and all the compiling,

and Dan brought in all the new contributors.

Thank you to everyone who contributed. It was

very, very awesome. I'm sure the guys will talk

about... uh, what we're doing next in the later

portion of the show. But thank you so much because,

um, I'm not actually here in the top 100 wrap

up. I'm elsewhere doing life stuff. Yay. So this

has been TFG and Mike. Steve, who's next? Screw

you guys. I'm getting him. Well, thank you for

that tirade, Mike. Now, uh, I think we'll get

into the more serious part of the episode. Take

it away, Kevin. All right. So we have, Revealed

all of our top 100 animated films countdown.

You've hopefully listened all the way through.

We've had five extensive podcasts that discuss

all of the ins and outs as we revealed, I guess

you can call it live, to the other hosts, each

number as we went through. We've had a... Little

bit of time now to reflect upon that ourselves,

so now we're coming back for a wrap -up episode

so we can discuss all the good things, all the

bad things, and everything in between as we go

through. So, we got a bunch of stuff to talk

about, a lot of reflection going on, and we're

going to just get right into it. I know a lot

of you are probably waiting for a discussion

of the films that just missed the list, or what

we're calling our honorable mentions, or... I

guess it shouldn't really be honorable mentions

because we could talk about any film that got

even one single vote. But that discussion will

be taking place, so just hang tight. We'll get

to that. We'll leave you wait a little bit before

we go there. We're going to start off with just

a brief explanation of, at least for the four

of us, how we came up with our lists. what our

methods were, what our logic was, etc. So I'm

going to start with Dan, just to kind of give

all the people that have been listening throughout

this thing, because I know a lot of people have

been wondering, you know, they've only heard

a small portion of the entire pool that helped

submit lists. I mean, there's over 20 lists,

over 20 individuals that submitted lists, basically.

And we all probably had a different method. hopefully

give the listeners a little bit of insight as

to how some of us came up with our list. So Dan,

how did you come up with your list? What was

important to you? What, what logic did you use

in ranking your, your films? Okay. Yeah. I mentioned

this thing on an episode, but my basic concept

when putting my list together was like, if I

were to give someone a movie, like give. people

an example of animation. What movies would I

give them that would show them the complete capabilities

of animation to its highest level? Movies that

would show that animation could be just as powerful

medium as any type of filmmaking. So I started

there. So that's when I constructed my top five.

And just looking at my top five, which were number

one being Grave of the Fireflies, number two

being Waltz with Brashear, three being Lion King.

four spirit away and five toy story i feel like

those are all you know important in that end

and also have a significant impact on animation

with toy story obviously what it did with tgi

animation lion king you know to me like i said

it's the crowning achievement of disney in many

ways and also i also thought like I tried to

remove personal biases as much as possible. For

example, Aladdin is probably my favorite Disney

movie, but I don't believe it's the best Disney

movie, so I did not rank it. I ranked it in the

top 20. I did not rank it in the top 10. I also

thought if I were to put this list on a blog

post or a written article, would this be a respectable

list? So I tried to make sure that I had a well...

first variety within my list making sure that

i'm hitting all areas as much as i possibly can

i obviously didn't rank anything i've never saw

but i made sure like i'm not just listing pixar

after pixar after pixar or disney after disney

after disney that i'm making sure i'm hitting

all the different areas so and then like Usually

I did it in chunks or I started with ranking

the studios, like each studio from top to bottom.

And then started after I ranked each studio,

I then put it together that way as well, just

to get an idea of how I wanted to do it. I mean,

the hardest part, I think the top 50 was the

easy part. It's harder when you get to the end

and like you're trying to just, you know. talk

about films that you aren't that passionate about

so it's like is this an 80s film or a 90s film

it's hard to determine like like my final 10

or you know mismatch here and there so that's

like my mindset I kind of went about it in different

ways and so and my basic principle was if I was

to put this out as an article by myself would

it be respectable and hopefully it would be I

guess I mean I'm sure some people would have

some issues with it Neil, what about you? What

was your method? I know you were one of the first

ones that tackled this project and got the list

turned in. What was the method behind your madness?

Well, it was a little bit mad. I'm a little more

chaotic than most people. I just wrote down as

many movies as I could think of and just kind

of shuffled them all together. Even though I

handed it in pretty quickly, I did spend... at

least an hour or two just kind of uh shuffling

them around to like a more proper order because

obviously i couldn't just put like all disney

pixar films at the top i had to kind of balance

it out a bit but uh and unfortunately i i like

i said during the other shows i had a couple

brain farts where i think i omitted like a really

good movie here and there oh well um yeah i just

uh i went I started out with as many of my personal

favorites, and I went back through each of the

studios and said, okay, well, there's this movie

and there's that movie. There are a lot of Pixar

movies that I've seen once or twice, and I didn't

really consider them the first time I went through

my list, and then I had to go back and fill them

in. I think Monsters, Inc. is not one of my favorite

Pixar movies, but I can understand why people

would like it. would have to rank that somewhere

in my list. Um, I didn't, I don't know. I didn't,

I didn't, uh, have a, have a real, uh, system

going into it, but, uh, uh, I had, I had certain

movies that I thought were significant and, uh,

you know, significant enough, but I didn't, I

tried not to let one, one, uh, one thing outweigh

everything else. Like if something was a really,

A significant movie, but not really something

I thought was fun to watch. I would try to get

it in there, but I would try to knock it down,

like maybe 20, 30 points. Like one of the ones

we mentioned was Snow White, where it's a movie

that everyone should watch, but it's not a movie

that I would consider one of my favorites. And

it's not a movie that I think a lot of kids today

would watch, so I don't... They should watch

it, but it's not like... movie I would recommend

right away and uh that's uh I don't know I can't

I can't really describe too too much how I did

my list because it's just it was such a chaotic

thing that I put together but um it there was

a a slight method to my madness I should say

I guess Well, yeah, I think sometimes it is hard

to kind of get into how people are, you know,

formulating their opinions on quality. And I

think it's good that you guys both mentioned

the balance between studios. That kind of leads

into how I did it. I'm very systematic with these

types of things, so I try to break them down

into chunks because it's easier to deal with.

Like Dan, I would take all of Pixar's library,

and I basically ranked them from top to bottom.

That way I could just compare all those films

in one chunk. And then I took all of the DreamWorks,

all the Disney... the anime films, the superhero

films, as much as I could break it down into

those different chunks, films that were based

off of TV entities. And once I had those, then

basically across my screen, I would be sitting

with my whatever it was, let's say 10 categories,

and then I would basically just look at the number

one movie on each of those lists and decide.

which of those was going to be number one, then

knock that off, then look at, okay, what's remaining

on the top of each list, what goes next, and

kind of try to break it down like that. Until

I had what I felt like groupings like Dan was

talking about in my 10s or my 20s, my 30s, I'd

break it down so I'd have what 10 films are going

to be somewhere in my 90s, what 10 films are

going to be somewhere in my 80s. And then once

I had those sections, then you can actually look

within those 10 and then try to pinpoint within

those 10, you know, the 1 through 10 order. So

that's kind of my system of how I did things.

Not saying that there wasn't... I've done a few

lists like this before. So I think there's two

different ways that personal bias can play into

it. Number one, you could just blindly rank all

of your favorite films. Which is one thing. There's

also, I guess there could be some strategy if

you know that some films are somewhat under the

radar or not as talked about. Maybe you, in an

attempt to get them in the list, could bump them

up a little bit. I'm not saying that's right

or wrong, but that could be something. Or films

that you think are, sorry Dan, overrated. I can't

think of a better term. Maybe you bump those

down a little bit. So there is some strategic

moving that you could do. I try to avoid that

as much as possible. My top five is somewhat

reflective, I guess, of my era of being a child,

and I wasn't trying to do that intentionally,

but I do have Aladdin and Lion King in there.

And I also, I know a lot of people hate on these

films, but I think An American Tale and the original

Land Before Time sometimes don't get enough credit

for what they were, so I rank those pretty high

as well. Steve, how did you come up with your

list? Well, when I came up with my list, for

me it's kind of complicated. I tried to, one,

not list sequels, if I could help it, of any

saga. Didn't matter what it was. I tried not

to list any kind of sequels. Unless it was like

the Dark Knight Returns Part 2 or something,

or like Toy Story 3. Something that was relevant

of a Top 100 list. because, as we stated in the

Top 100, you know, most of the time, sequels

don't live up to the original, so that was one

of my things. A lot of it I based off of either

the genre, whether it had had some kind of a

wide release, and when I say that, I mean that

it was... on TV or it was something you could

easily pick up at the TV rental stores, or VHS

rental stores, whatever. I would also base it

off of certain animation styles, because as I've

stated before, I can't get into the claymation

stuff very much, or certain kind of styles of

film that just aren't traditional. Um, and I

also tried to, uh, base it off of somewhat the,

the voice acting and the, the music, the, the

audio track mostly. Um, I will admit I did have

a superhero bias, but I tried to space it out.

Um, so I wasn't listing, um, all of them in,

in my top 10 saying, yeah, they're all great,

blah, blah, blah, because they're not. Um, even

some of the ones I argued about. in the top 100

of the official list that was all put together.

A few of them I didn't rank, and a few of them

I did that never showed up. So obviously they

weren't as popular, and that's fine. But that

was really my only kind of guide, and I tried

to portray as many of the good films as I could

find and tried to represent them. I didn't try

to inflate them. At least I didn't try to intentionally

to give them a better placement. I just put them

on what's the most memorable to me as far as

rewatchability or how well I can stand sitting

through the movies even the first time. So, I

mean, that's a lot of how I kind of geared my

list. sure i would get bashed for it if i actually

put some of my list actually out there which

i may yet do um just to kind of see what people

think but it's again i i tried to list things

and kind of space them out by studios or not

list sequels that was pretty much my main pet

peeve well and And we'll get into this a little

bit more when we talk about the general feedback

of the countdown. But that's one reason we talk

about revealing our own personal list or people

have asked to see some of the individual lists.

And I think that's one reason why we have included

as many groups and people as we did. Because

any time you narrow it down and look at an individual

person's list, it's going to be... target practice

and the way you escape bias as much as possible

is by you know expanding who you're including

in this and that's one reason why We have 20

-plus individuals because if you just have a

narrow group, you're going to really be able

to see the bias. I'm not saying that there was

anything wrong with the way we did some of these

for those people that listened to our top 10

genre films countdowns. Those were really fun,

and I think we did a good job, but that's something

that you can see some bias because we were only

including four, five, six people at the most.

Well, that and those films were also kind of

already biased because they were based on each

genre. Right, so that's something like when you

include less lists, you're going to be able to

see more bias. So that was the point, was trying

to include as many as we could. And honestly,

to give a little insight, I guess, there was

one point where I was almost ready to pull the

plug on this whole project because I didn't think

we were going to have enough people to make a

list that was going to be something that could

stand up and be worthy of people listening to

it. It was going to be completely... too one

-sided if we were only including a limited number

of people. Dan really stepped up and got a lot

of people involved, and I think that's when a

list like this can work, is when you have a lot

more people, because then if one person has this

bias and one person has that bias, it kind of

all evens out a little bit. Yes, there might

be some bias that still is seen or whatever,

but it eliminates some of the big, huge biases

that would have happened. And I can tell you,

But that's something that, you know, including

the most lists will eliminate a lot of that bias.

And I can tell you kind of some inside. First

thing, I mean, there was a lot of individual

bias. Like, there were some people that had,

like Steve said, a lot of superhero films, etc.

There were some people that had, obviously, a

whole lot of the 90s and 2000s stuff ranked high.

There were some people that had more of the 80s,

you know, and early 90s stuff ranked high. There

were some people that had a very dominant anime

list. you know, some people that had. So, I mean,

there are so many different people. I've obviously

been the only one that can see every single person's

list. So, yeah, if we were to only include a

few, just being someone who's seen all the different

lists that were submitted, you would be able

to see a lot of bias. But since we included so

many, I can say it did eliminate a lot of that.

And like I said, we can get more into that with

the feedback portion of this. But Dan, Neil,

Steve, any thoughts on that before we move into

the next section? No, I think I'm good. Yeah,

we can go ahead and move on. Over to the next

section. All right. Well, before we get into

this discussion of films that didn't make the

list, we want to talk a little bit more about

the actual list and what films were included.

We're going to start off going through. We've

each made our own individual mini list about

our big list about stuff that we think we either

had too high or too low. So obviously too high

means that it was ranked too close. Too high

on the list is too near the number one spot.

Too low would be down by the 99, 100 rankings.

So we're just going to go around the table and

talk about five films that we think were ranked

too high, five films that we think were ranked

too low. And hopefully this can give some insight

to the people that were listening that weren't

obviously all in agreement of where everything

placed on our list. Let's start with the ones

that we think we had ranked too high. I'm going

to start with you, Dan, since I started with

you in the last section. Five films, and you

can talk about them, defend them, or discuss

each one if you want to, but five films that

you think we ranked too high amongst our top

100. I'll start with the one I think was the

biggest standout of one that was ranked too high,

and that was Brave, which we ranked at 41. I

think Brave is a fine movie. I've heard a lot

of people say it's... Pixar visuals with a Disney

story. But I just don't think it's 41 worthy.

Maybe 80s or so. It's just... I don't know. I

don't think it's... It's one of the lesser, lesser

Pixar. It's on their bottom end. And that came

before a lot of classic Disney. And I would not

put it nearly that high. So I would drop that

down a great deal. The other one that we talked

about within our Top 20 episode, which was Wreck

-It Ralph. Don't want to... go on this much further

because we talked about this a lot last episode

but pretty much it's again a movie i like movie

you could see in the top 50 i have issues with

it being in the top 15 uh top 20 uh that's just

too high for me um and another one surprisingly

is that of how's moving castle A movie that I

am not the hugest fan of. I think it belongs

in the top 100, but it was at number 50 on our

list. I would put it 80 -ish, near the bottom

20. I think there are better anime films out

there that are far superior to it. And it came

after Tortoro, I believe, as well. And I think

that's a much better movie. And that was my fourth.

Sorry. And for the fourth one, and bringing it

back to Disney, was that of Hercules. That one

ranked at 54, and that to me is much too high.

Again, another 90s Disney movie. It was a decent

story, but not great. The music wasn't all that

fantastic. And I don't think it's all that memorable

compared to a lot of other movies. So I would

move that down a great deal as well. And lastly

is out of Tangled. Some people have made a good

point that Tangled may actually even look better

in hindsight years down the line because since

it's been released, Disney has been on the upswing

with Wreck -It Ralph and now Frozen. And I could

see that. But Tangled by itself is a good movie,

but top 25 of all time. I don't know. I don't

think it's that high. I'd push it down to 40.

I think you make a better argument for Frozen

that just recently came out than you would for

Tangled. So, movie I like, but 24 is a little

bit too high for me. All good choices, and I'm

glad that I was smart and came up with more than

five, just in case some of mine were already

talked about. Steve, what are five films that

you think would rank too high? I would also agree

about Brave. I'm not going to sit there and repeat,

but I'm pretty much the same agreement on that.

And then I have three Disney classics that I

just, again, I think it's something about the

times, and it's just, I don't see them being,

I'm hitting four other films anyway that are

in the 10 to 20 range. I'm not making any bashes

against anime, because, again, I don't know squat

about it, so these are all films that I know.

And I'm just going to rattle them off, other

than the last one. Dumbo, Sleeping Beauty, and

Snow White. Just something about them. It's,

again, something about the times, and it's just,

while the story may hold up, Those are ones that

could use a redo in the animation and audio department.

So that's why I don't see them as being in the

top 20. While they are memorable, I don't see

them being top 20 worthy. Toy Story 2, I'd put

it just a hair above 20. Maybe like 20 itself

or 21. Just because there were a lot of other

good films that were... ranked higher up that

um wild toy story 2 was good um it paled in comparison

to the first and the third um which obviously

both hit right at the very beginning of the list

but uh again that's that's my five so all right

getting some diversity here and uh some agreement

with brave uh neil you think brave was too high

as well what were your five yeah i think brave

was too high that was definitely one of mine

i'm not gonna Again, like Steve said, I'm not

going to really repeat anything. I'm also going

to call out two Disney classics, which would

be Snow White and Cinderella. And I think I had

already said why I thought these were a little

too high before, because the main protagonist

is not really all that interesting, and they're

almost the same story. Well, I thought later

Disney princess movies were a little better.

Tangled, I thought was a little too high. A lot

of the more recent Disney films, I think they

definitely belong, but I'm not so sure that they

are top 20 or top 30 worthy of that, I don't

think. And one that I... This might be a little

controversial because it's not really in the

top... I think it hit somewhere in the middle

of the list. Transformers, the movie, I think

I would, uh, dock, uh, maybe 30 points, just

because it, yeah, yeah, so it's like, it's still

in the middle, and, uh, there were a lot of,

uh, other, other movies, particularly anime,

where I said, like, I think I'd said something

like, uh, you know, this movie, you know, I'm

not fond of it, or I don't think it's that noteworthy,

but on the other hand, I thought that it actually

landed somewhere appropriate, whereas Transformers,

I, I like the movie, but I don't know if I'd

put it at 48. There are a lot of really good

movies here, and I think a lot of them belong

above Transformers. So, yeah, that one, yeah.

Let's see, did I mention all? Yeah, Tangled,

Brave, Snow White, Cinderella. Yeah, that's five

for me. All right. I knew I was going to be going

last on some of these, so I kind of had some

backups just in case we had already talked about

everything. I agree with a lot of what the panel

said here. I agree that as far as the modern

films, I believe Brave was way too high. And

what got me with that one is overall looking

at the group that it was in, the episode that

it was in, especially the ten films that we talked

about. right with with brave it just didn't seem

like it it seemed like we were kind of getting

into somewhere if you take like 45 through 35

um that 10, Brave really stands out. It just

doesn't seem to belong there. I agree. The same

thing with Tangled and Wreck -It Ralph. I believe

all of those are just a little bit maybe of their...

Like what some people suggested, that's what

people have seen recently, that's what's on their

minds, so it was easier for them to think about

it. But I think over time, those won't be ranked

as high. Like Dan said, maybe Tangled ends up

being ranked that high in retrospect later on,

but I think some of these fall. If... If some

more years go by and it won't be that instant,

that's on the tip of our tongue, so we talk about

it. So yeah, I agree with all of those. Another

one that somebody brought up that I agree with

is Toy Story 2. I have no problem with Toy Story

1 and 3 being in our top 20, or in this case

our top 10. I don't think Toy Story 2 belongs

in that top 20 with them. So I would bump it.

I wouldn't bump it too far, but like Steve said,

somewhere in the 20s, maybe 25 range, 30 range,

somewhere in there. I think all three of them

being as high as they were, I think showed maybe

a little bit of bias as far as some hardcore

Toy Story fans. I'm not saying anything against

the franchise. It's great. One in three deserve

it. But I don't necessarily think all three deserve

to be as high as they were. A couple that we

didn't talk about that I just personally think

are a little bit too high. One would be A Bug's

Life. You know, we went a long time without seeing

a Pixar film. A Bug's Life came in, I think it

was the first one on the countdown, and it came

in at number 46. I think we should have seen

a Pixar film prior to that. I would have put

A Bug's Life somewhere on the other side of 50

rather than in the top 50. So I would have changed

A Bug's Life. I also would definitely change

Sword in the Stone. Sword in the Stone we had

49th. Out of all the Disney films, I don't see

Sword in the Stone being top 50. I had it ranked

89th instead of 49th, so I had it 40 spots lower.

I don't see how Sword in the Stone can be ranked

above some of the Disney films that it got ranked

above. So I would definitely move that one. Anybody

else thoughts in general of anything that anybody

else brought up or arguments for or against people's

picks as to what they would move? Yeah, I think

we're pretty much in agreement in most areas.

I mean, I would disagree with something like

Snow White, but like I said, it's not really

an argument of its quality because I agree that

there are issues there with that character, but

I think you also have to kind of consider the

time period in which it came out, the fact that

you are... where movies were at that point that,

you know, trying to tell a complex story was

something that was easier to set than done. But

I don't, I wouldn't disagree that, you know,

moving in a few spaces would be a big deal. But

yeah, it seems like most, most for most, for

most of the ones we mentioned, we seem to be

all in agreement, which is interesting. Yeah.

We'll see if that agreement continues. If we

flip. the scenario around now. Instead of talking

about stuff we rank too high, stuff that we did

not rank high enough. We'll kind of go in reverse

order. I'll try to talk about some here and then

we'll move down the line. These are five films

that we think we had ranked too low. I will start

with Watership Down. I think we kind of talked

about this during the record. It came in at 75.

I had this in my top 20. So I thought Watership

Down definitely should have been ranked a little

bit higher than the number 75. I just think it's

unique. It's something that stands out to me

when I'm looking at stuff overall. We talked

about trying to balance things out between not

just having a bunch of Disney films, not just

having a bunch of Pixar films, etc. If you're

looking for a unique film that is different than

everything else, that has some super high quality,

to me that's Watership Down. So I would rank

that. much higher. I would also rank, I know

there's some people that aren't a fan of this

style, but I would rank Chicken Run higher. We

ranked it at 61. I again had it in my top 20.

To me, it's not anything to do with animation.

It's not anything to do with voices. In this

one, it's not anything. This one, for me, is

straight writing. The story, the dialogue, and

how clever it was put together and how much it

kind of... different things in the history of

movies, television, etc. So I think that should

be higher. A more recent one, we talked about

some recent ones that we had too high with Wreck

-It Ralph, Tangled, and Brave. I think Cloudy

with a Chance of Meatballs actually kind of got

ranked a little bit lower than I would have liked

to see it. It was at 88. I think it's a little

bit better than 88. I wouldn't put it in the

top 50 or anything. I would put it closer to

50, 60. maybe even the low 70 range, I think

88's not quite justice to that film. So that's

three. Rescuers Down Under, I would probably,

you know, we talked a lot about that one compared

to the original one. We ranked Rescuers Down

Under 72, we ranked the original 47. I would

probably flip those. I think Rescuers Down Under

is better than 72, and I think Rescuers is not

quite deserving of 47, so I might flip -flop

those two. And last one, I would probably rank

South Park higher. I know we had it 43. Me personally,

I had it 13. I think South Park was more deserving

to be maybe top 30, top 25 material, somewhere

in there. So those are five that I think we didn't

quite get enough credit to. Dan, or who, let's

see, that's Neil. Which ones do you think we

had too low? Wow, you and I had a lot of the

same ones. Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.

I didn't think it was a fantastic film, but I

thought it was a cute film, and I thought it

definitely deserved to be a lot higher than what

it got. Let's see. I'll say both Chicken Run

and Wallace and Gromit. I guess just because

I'm a sucker for Aardman, and I actually like

their animation style. And I think they're funny.

That studio... Actually, the guy who runs the

studio, Nick Park, I think the cartoons he makes

are really funny, so I think they deserve to

be a lot higher. Rescuers Down Under, I always

thought that was a better film than the original.

I liked both films, but I would have definitely

flip -flopped them. And The Secret of NIMH. I

had that also as one of the ones I was deciding

about. The Secret of NIMH is just such a... It

just blew me away back in... what was it, like

83, 84 when that came out, that something like

that came out and it wasn't Disney. And it was

actually a pretty solid story. And it wasn't

like a musical either, so there were no singing

animals. There was a song in the movie, but it

wasn't like no one was actually singing it. We

had that one ranked at 40. How high do you think

you would have put it? I would have... Moved

it up maybe another 10, 15 spaces. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, those are my five. Alright, so a lot of

agreement here so far. Let's see if we can change

it up here. Steve, which ones did we have too

low? I also agree for Claudia with the chance

of meatballs. I really enjoyed that movie. I

think it was really well done. Definitely one

of the underrated on the list. I would also say,

and this is part of my superhero bias coming

out now, so just let me get off my soapbox. Mask

of the Phantasm, I think that that should at

least be top 20, and it could easily be replaced

in there with some of the ones I called out of

the top 20. Just because that is the, in my opinion,

of the, it beats World's Finest and some of the

other ones with a shovel. It is the definitive

Batman backstory. And it also has a relevant

plot into the regular timeline of the story.

And it kind of takes place in the animated series,

but it really doesn't. It stands alone on its

own. for the most part. Again, that's my soapbox.

I have a personal bias with it, but I think the

animation and the audio was set really well done.

I have Dark Knight Returns Part 2 in there. I

think it should have at least made the top 50.

I don't think it should have, because it is very

recent, and it is the definitive Batman vs. Superman

story. So I see it being that, but I don't see

it getting any higher than 50, or any closer

to 1 than 50. And again, that's followed by my

Return of the Joker. I'd put it somewhere close

to there, at least maybe the 60s or something.

Another film I like that's not superhero is...

I think... Titan 8E kind of gets a little underrated

to some degree. I will agree it's not the best

film on this list, but it's also not bad either.

I think it could have made it another maybe 10

slots or something. But again, that's just personal

thought there. Interesting to hear a couple different

ones there as well. Definitely some voices to

the superhero fans amongst us that are listening

might agree with you on some of those. Dan, what

do you think? Any that we already talked about?

Any different ones? Well, I agree with you, Kevin,

on South Park and Martyrship Down. Those were

two that I would... you know put much higher

than they were uh south park and while they stripped

down easily top 30 top 20 uh the number one on

my list though is uh persepolis which came on

our list at 87 i had it as 11 and i i do think

that is very much a top 20 worthy film um i just

think it didn't get ranked that high because

a lot of people haven't had the opportunity to

see it um obviously my number i think i was gonna

say i think we should be able to predict one

of yours Yes. My number two, which was Waltz

with Bashir, which turned up at number 100. No,

I don't think it'd be ranked two on our list,

but I do think it deserves to be top 20, top

30 in consideration. Again, I think it's one

of those that just a lot of people have now the

opportunity to see. And it is an oddity of a

movie, and I could see that not really resonating

with a lot of people. But on a story standpoint,

and an emotion standpoint, and just an artistic

level, I think it... If you can appreciate it

for what it does there. In addition, it's kind

of funny because Steve mentioned that he would

put Dumbo lower. I would actually put it higher.

I had that in my top 10. And I don't know, maybe

I have a soft spot for that for some reason.

But I just find that movie is just... so like

tightly woven and i appreciate it like it it

does everything it needs to do in such a small

package and so effectively and there are a lot

of great small moments that i like in that movie

so we had it at 28 i wouldn't put it much higher

but i would put it on the other end of the top

on the other end of the 20s and um to finish

out it is a fantastic mr fox We had it at 54.

Again, I would put that other side of 40, other

side of 30. I just love the stop -motion animation,

the design of all the characters, the voice acting,

the comedy. The script in that is really tight

as well. So I would have all those put a little

higher. I think as of right now, I probably have

like 40 or 50 films that I'd put in my top 20

just looking at this stuff. That's all right.

That's the other struggle of coming up with these

lists that I think some people don't understand.

It's easy to say how high you would rank some

or that these are all top 20 or top 30 worthy

until you actually go to make your list and you

run out of spots. Exactly. And then you start

struggling on what do I kick out, what do I bump,

how do I fit all these in there. A little bit

more discussion of the current list before we

get into honorable mention discussion. Because

before we can talk about any films that we would

put in our list, we would obviously have to remove

some films from our list to make room for them.

So it leads us right into our discussion of five

films that we would take out of the top 100.

So, you know, we talked about those that we thought

we had ranked too high, but that wasn't the argument

to necessarily boot. those films out of the list.

We just thought that they were too high. This

is a little more serious. These are films that

we're saying have no place being in our top 100.

Let's see how much repetitiveness we can have

with this one, or if we're in agreement or not

here. Dan, start off with one film that you would

kick out. We'll kind of just do one at a time,

make it a little different. One at a time around

the room until we've mentioned all the films

we want to talk about. So we're going to switch

things up a little bit. Instead of... Having

everybody list theirs one at a time, we're going

to each take a film and then go around until

we've talked about all the films that we want

to kick out of the top 100. We're going to start

with Dan. Just give us one film that you would

take out of our list entirely. Just one. That's

hard. I actually had a few here. We'll get to

all of them, but we're going to go around. I'll

start with the highest ranked and then move down.

The highest ranked, which was, well... which

was 93, which was World's Finest. Again, not

something I dislike, but for the fact that it

originally aired on television and it was just

put together, I think that opens up... the floodgates

for other considerations of other things. So

I have an issue with it there. And I just think

there are better DC animated movies that we could,

we could replace it like a new frontier or, you

know, um, other, you know, Batman movies. So

I would take world's finest out and replace it

with some other stuff. All right, Neil, one film

you take out of the list. Hmm. Let's see. Oh,

uh, probably upper is new groove. just because

that's one of those Disney films that I thought

I was like, oh, okay. I mean, it's okay, but

I think everyone, if anyone likes this film,

it's probably for one single scene, and it's

like the waterfall scene, and otherwise it's

kind of a forgettable film. I agree, actually.

Steve, one film you'd take off the list. Sorry,

had it on mute. I will piggyback on Neil's thought

here. So you would also take Emperor's New Groove

off? Okay. I also had Emperor's New Groove on

my list as one that I would kick off, but I will

give a different one here. I would probably take

off TMNT. But I just don't see how it stacks

up against the rest of them. I don't see it as

a top 100 film. If I'm going to put a Turtles

film in there, it's going to be Turtles Forever,

if I was going to put a Turtles film in there.

So I would take TMNT out of the top 100. Dan,

another one? Rise of the Guardians, that came

in at number 92. I thought that was a pretty

bad movie, and like I mentioned, it's one that

I think will be forgotten in just a few years.

Interesting enough, it comes right after World's

Finest. I would also take Rise of the Guardians

off the list. Neil, another one? A Bug's Life.

I mean, it's a Pixar film, and it's not a bad

film, but if there was one I'd squeeze out of

the Pixar lineup, that would be that one. All

right. Fair enough. Steve, any left on your list

that you would take out? Shrek 2. Shrek 2, sequel

casualty. I can see that. I know a lot of people

like this film, but I will never, ever, ever,

ever understand why I would take Madagascar and

kick it as far from the top 100 as I possibly

could. I don't like anything about that film.

I think it's a train wreck. Dan, back to you.

I would take out Meet the Robinsons. It's just

one that... I just find it's very forgettable,

and similar to Rise of the Guardians, it was

up at number 80, and I just don't think it deserves

it. All right. Neil, anything left that you would

take off? I think all of mine have been said.

Shrek 2, that's already been said. Yeah, I don't

really have anything new to add. All right. Steve,

anything left on yours? I also agree on the TMNT,

because I'd rather see Turtles Forever, but...

I think that's pretty much it for me. All right.

I had a lot that had already been said. I actually

had Brave as a possibility of taking off the

list, but I went with Rise of the Guardians instead.

Let's see, I said Madagascar, I said TMNT. We

talked about Emperor's New Groove. My only other

one was a three -way tie. I don't care which

one you take off of the list. I just don't think

all of these are worthy, and that was between

Hercules, Tarzan, and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

I just don't think that every Disney film that

came out in that era should be on our list, so

I think at least one or two of those need to

be. Dan, we'll end with you here. What's left

that you would take off the list? I'll just run

down these real quick. I had Prince of Egypt,

Titan AE, Justice League Crisis on Two Earths,

and Anastasia. I just thought Anastasia was a

really dry and generic movie. Again, that movie

is, I think, unnecessarily bad, but since I'm

going to be adding movies, these are the ones

that I felt like should be taken off. All right,

well that means that we have some room on our

list for new entries if we're taking all of the

ones that we just talked about off of the list

and nobody raised any huge complaints about removing

any of those. So if we're removing those, we

have a whole pool of movies to look at to see

what we can put in there. Before we give our

actual selections on which films we would...

narrow it down to and actually put in our top

100 if we each had control of the list. We're

going to just talk about the honorable mentions

in general. If you remember back to the first

episode, I had mentioned that over 350 films

got votes, and we could only talk about 100 of

them during the countdown. So that left over

250 films that received votes, but not enough

votes to actually make the list. So we're just

going to have a general discussion about the

honorable mentions, anything that It stands out

to people, films that they voted on or films

that they maybe forgot about that they want to

talk about. This is a good time in the record.

If you have a pen and paper handy, you might

want to get it out. You might want to open up

a Word document or a database to enter some names.

Open up your Facebook. Netflix account to add

some movies to your queue. Whatever it is, you

might want to make a list because we might be

talking about some films that you've either forgotten

about or you've never seen that are worth watching.

So just looking at the list, everybody in front

of them has a list of all of the other films

that got votes on, starting with the ones that

were closest to making the list, going all the

way down to films that barely received votes.

more than a couple points, which means they were

on one list and they weren't ranked very high.

So the lowest voting total was two points. That

means one person ranked it basically like 99th

on their list. And the highest we had was 289,

which means that it missed the actual countdown

by seven points. I'm just gonna real quickly

run down the ones that were the closest because

a lot of people have been asking what just missed

the list. The films that just missed the list

were the animated version of Lord of the Rings,

All -Star Superman, DuckTales the movie, The

Clone Wars movie, Many Adventures of Winnie the

Pooh, G .I. Joe the movie, The Brave Little Toaster,

Castle in the Sky, Monsters University, and The

Great Mouse Detective. Those were the ten closest

to making the list. Don't limit it to that, though,

just in general. Dan, your thoughts on the honorable

mentions, any films that you want to bring up,

any films that you think are worth people's time

to watch, to look out, or just general reactions.

Okay, well, I'll make sure I don't mention the

ones that I feel like I'll be adding. So just

in general, what I would say, I'm surprised I

didn't even think of this, but going through

the top 100. the fact that Winnie the Pooh didn't

make the top 100 at all. And considering he,

I mean, there was a really good Winnie the Pooh

movie in 2011 and the many Avengers of Winnie

the Pooh as well. I think those, for me, a huge

part of my childhood was Winnie the Pooh. So

I'm surprised that wasn't. much higher and also

part of that is brave little toaster i watched

that movie like every saturday for some reason

um not a great movie but it's just like seeing

that i'm i'm just like wow yeah i'm surprised

that didn't make it um and some other ones that

caught my eye ones that i think i personally

need to catch up on or like stuff like metropolis

which is lower on the list um aponia some other

and i know some people mentioned like uh some

of the other uh computer animation films like

megamind and puts and boosts those didn't make

honorable mentions but they didn't come close

to the top 100 but yeah i just it's crazy looking

at this list um in the amount of movies that

that there are out there ones that i didn't consider

or forgot about um seeing a lot of the disney

sequels getting mentioned and it just shows you

there's so much out there and it's hard to like

narrow it down to even 100 movies and i'm the

top 10 that are closest the one that sticks out

to me is like the best one would be castle in

the sky and i would probably put that on our

list and take off like how it's moving castle

because i think castle in the sky is a much better

movie I wanted to just bring up some films that

I think maybe a lot of people haven't seen. You

know, with my work that I do for Behind the Voice

Actors, I've had a lot of chance to watch things

that I would have never watched before in gathering

pictures and sound clips and stuff of the different

characters, etc. And it's kind of given me some

exposure to, like I said, a lot of stuff I haven't

seen before. So I just want to mention some that

I think maybe are unknown or relatively unknown

that people should probably check out that I

think are pretty good. I think Quantum Quest

is worth checking out for sci -fi fans. It's

a really interesting science fiction animated

film going along with some real life scientific

study type things, but then obviously completely

fictionalized, etc. But it's an interesting film.

I think Legend of Secret Past is an interesting

one. You know, Alpha and Omega might not be the

best movie, but compared to some of the other

Disney and DreamWorks and stuff we included,

it's right in there with those. I think I kind

of have a soft spot for the Hoodwink slash Happily

Never After. I'm not saying they're great films,

but I think they're cleverly done. Some other

ones, I think the movie Nine is decent. I think

Mars Needs Moms is decent. Wizards, kind of a

more, I guess, cult classic animated film, is

somewhat deserving. You know, like I said, TMNT

Turtles Forever had about 202 points. I think

that was more deserving than the other Turtles

movie that made it. And the last one I'd mention

would be Heavy Metal. I think that's another

one. I'm avoiding the ones that I would... select

to put in like Dan did, but I think those are

some interesting ones. It's interesting to see

too, like you said, like none of the Winnie Pooh

films made it. A lot of the films based on cartoons

didn't quite make it. Like we talked about DuckTales,

G .I. Joe, the film, Care Bears, the movie. I'm

not saying any of them deserve it. I'm just saying

that they all did get votes. I wanted to bring

that up. And a lot of other anime did receive

votes. So it wasn't that we were completely biased

against anime, just not all of them got quite

enough to get in there. You mentioned Castle

in the Sky. There's a lot of other ones looking

over this list that I'm sure you guys can speak

to better than I can. Neil, what catches your

eye looking over the honorable mention list?

Well, there are a lot here that I thought should

have been on the list, but can I take a stab

at one that maybe I'm kind of glad didn't make

the top 100? Absolutely. Okay, Lord of the Rings,

and it's only because one of my friends once

described this movie as, a bunch of cartoon people

who are constantly being attacked by a bunch

of live action people. It is, uh, a good chunk

of that film is live action. It's just like high

contrast, uh, film painted to look like a cartoon.

So it's, it's kind of on that edge of, is this

really a cartoon? Is this more like Roger Rabbit?

So that I'm kind of glad that didn't make the

list. Um, all -star Superman wasn't, wasn't a

fantastic film. It won't blow you away, but I

thought it was a, I thought it was a, decent

Superman story. Probably would have swapped it

with World's Finest. Clone Wars, I don't know

which Clone Wars that is. It's a possibility.

The one that was marketed as the actual film.

Okay, yeah. That one, no, I wouldn't. That one

I wouldn't have put on. Okay, yeah. The movie

that was mentioned already, Brave Little Toaster.

You know, that was such a cute film. I was kind

of disappointed it didn't make it. Let's see.

I see Puss in Boots on here, but again, I don't

know if this is the more recent one or if it's

the anime one. It's probably mostly the more

recent one, and the anime one was... I was probably

the only one who voted for that one, so it doesn't

really matter. Let's see. I think... Oh, The

Great Mouse Detective. Of all the Disney films

in the 80s, I think that's... Of the three that

came out, I think that's the one I liked the

most. I'm glad it got ranked as high as it did.

I just wish it would have made the list. What

about speaking of some of the anime stuff that

you see listed here on Honorable Mentions? Anything

that you think was worth mentioning or should

be in the top 100? Or if people aren't huge fans

of anime or haven't been exposed to it, some

of the things that maybe they should watch? I'm

looking over the Honorable Mentions. I have a

bunch listed here that aren't really close to

having made the list, but they're... I'd say...

I didn't want to give this a good looking over

yet, but it... The first one that always comes

to mind is Rauj and Zee, which again was like...

I was the only one who voted for this, but this

is like... This is kind of like... a battle for

me it's just like i get tired of seeing like

i saw like a top 100 or a top 10 list of anime

on youtube recently and it was like it was like

a bunch of miyazaki films ghost in the shell

and akira and i even left a snide comment on

it was like how predictable and raujin z is like

one of those anime films where it's it's not

like again it won't blow you away but it's it

i think it's a more fun film it's it's 80 minutes

it's not it's not like full full of uh uh, animu

crap, like everyone, everyone like kind of associates

with the anime, like, like hyperactive girls

and stuff like that. It's just, it's just like

a straightforward, uh, action slash comedy film

that I think a lot of people should see and you

may not like it, but I think you'll find that

it's more palatable than most anime films. Uh,

other than that, um, no, I can't really think

of too many. off the top of my head dan any that

you're seeing over and i'll come back to you

neil but dan any that you're you're seeing anime

wise that uh you think deserve a mention or that

people should check out that we didn't quite

have on our list uh yeah um I guess Tokyo Godfathers.

I know there was some question regarding that,

just regarding if there was an American version

or not. I don't think there is, so I think that's

probably why I didn't get more votes. I haven't

seen it, but I know a lot of people have high

regard for the Cowboy Bebop movie. I saw a lot

of people mention that in the post. I'm going

to butcher this name, but Nakaja of the Valley

of the Wind. And this isn't an anime movie. It's

a French film, but The Illusionist that came

out, I think, a year or two ago, which is a really

good movie. It's a traditional animation. I think

it's French, but I believe there is an American

version. But I think that's one that people may

want to check out. It's just a great story, and

it's one that was really overlooked in the last

few years. Neil, other thoughts? I didn't mean

to completely cut you off, though. Other reactions

as you're looking over this list of honorable

mentions? Well, I think I may have misunderstood.

Did we only want to talk about the stuff that's

close to 100 or the whole honor? Oh, okay. Well,

then, yeah, I was kind of holding back then.

Other animes that I had listed was Go! Go! 13,

which is kind of a gory anime film, but it's

also, again, more palatable if you're into like...

It's kind of like... James Bond with a chip on

his shoulder. If you're not into what you would

normally think of as anime, this is probably

a little bit more palatable. Also, Beautiful

Dreamer, which is probably not something a lot

of you guys would want to see, but I think it's

a better Oshii film than the one that made the

list, just because it's funnier and it's still

filled with a lot of esoteric stuff, but it's

actually... I think a bit more enjoyable than

some of the other anime picks we had. Going back

to regular Western animation, Snoopy Come Home,

which is... Well, the Peanuts films in general,

I always had a really fondness of them, but this

one in particular was just... It was very melancholy,

and it's way different than any other Peanuts

cartoon you've ever seen. The music is different,

the tone is different, it's just... It's very

melancholy, almost a punch to the gut half the

time. I think Wizards got mentioned. Wizards,

a Ralph Bakshi film. I'm going to throw in Fritz

the Cat, too, because, you know, a lot of the

movies on the list are kind of, like, very polished.

They're very top -tier, triple -A movies. And

I have an affinity for kind of the, I guess,

sort of grindhouse. quality films. I kind of

like the roughness of some films where it's not

super smooth and the animation isn't just sparkling

clean. I like a roughness if it's... And I think

there's something to say that a top 100 list

maybe should have a Bakshi film represented somewhere.

Yeah, and it is... Even if people don't find

Fritz the Cat palatable, it's a noteworthy film.

I think it was... At the time it came out, it

was the highest grossing independent animated

movie ever made. I think it still is. I'm not

sure about that, though. Maybe some of the Rankin

-Bass films. Like Return of the King, I actually

like a little bit more than their Hobbit movie,

and I don't think a lot of people have even seen

it. Again, it's not as rough as the Bakshi films,

but it definitely has a roughness. I'd say if

you're into really old 80s cartoons like G .I.

Joe before it became a series, like that first

five -part series where it's kind of got that

rough Japanese animation style. Return of the

King has something similar to that, but it's

more stylized. Brave Little Toaster was mentioned.

You know, I'm just going to throw this one in

here, Pogo for President. It's another movie

that I don't think a lot of people have seen,

and it's a stop -motion film, and it's, again,

it's a little rough, but I think it was one of

my favorites as a kid. I don't think it belongs

anywhere near the top 10, but I would put it

around, like, 90, just because it's something

worth watching, and I think it is very funny.

And it's got a lot of good, it's got a lot of

oh god what's his name uh guy who just passed

away played papa smurf in the uh in the in the

recent smurfs movie uh uh jonathan winters he

was in that and uh yeah a bunch of other like

really noteworthy uh cartoon actors are in that

and i think that's all i really had yeah that's

those are all of mine Before we get Steve's thoughts

here, give him another second to look over the

list. A couple things I wanted to point out.

First of all, we kind of discussed a little bit

of the sequels and how a lot of them weren't

getting voted on in the top 100. A lot of them

didn't appear in the top 100. They did, however,

a lot of sequels did receive votes. Just kind

of running down the list of some of the sequels

that received votes, Kung Fu Panda 2, Shrek Forever

After, we have, let's see what else here, Shrek

the Third, Ghost in the Shell 2, Land Before

Time 2, Cars 2, some of the other ones that we

have listed here. Cinderella 2, even some of

the Disney sequels got votes. Cinderella 3, I

think you can blame Mike for a majority of these.

He's not here to defend himself, so it's okay.

Fox and the Hound 2, Little Mermaid 2, Madagascar

3, the first one shouldn't even be on there.

Lady and the Tramp 2, Lion King 2, Madagascar

2, Street Fighter 2, the animated movie. Interesting.

So yeah, there is a bunch of sequels, Happy Feet

2, Hoodwink 2, that did get votes. Just luckily

for most of us, a lot of them didn't make it

all the way into the top 100. Also, just for

curiosity's sake, some people might be wondering

about the worst of the worst that did receive

votes. If we're running down some of the ones

that were at the bottom of the list here that

got less than 10 points, we're talking about

Hellboy, Sword of Storms, Megazone Crusher Jove,

Heavy Feet 2, Hoodwink 2, Beowulf, Final Fantasy

Spirits Within, the Rainbow Bright movie, 8 Crazy

Nights, 10 Commandments, the animated film, Thor,

Tales of Asgard, and Naruto, the movie. Those

were at the bottom. the bottom of the list. Steve,

your thoughts of the honorable mentions in general.

There are several movies that I think could have

made it. I actually had a hard time narrowing

it down to five. But I would argue that Atlantis.

I would say that I liked that film. I think that

it was fairly good. I mean, I wouldn't put it

in my top 50 by any means, or even top 60 or

70, but I think that it's still better than some

other movies that happen to show up in the top

100 for Disney. I would have, as mentioned earlier,

swapped TMNT for Turtles Forever. Only because

Turtles Forever, I think... was a more cohesive

story and a lot more interesting to watch. Also,

I have Monsters University, being that I just

saw the movie, and I wasn't able to actually

put it in my list before because, well, I hadn't

seen it. And I really enjoyed the film, and for

being a prequel, first time Disney doing that

one. As far as Pixar, anyway. I think they did

really well with it. It's still not better than

the original, but I'd still argue that it's worthy

enough. Certainly more so than Cars or Cars 2.

Then it gets a little bit more difficult. These

are my half and half of... One of them's another

bias, another one's not. I kind of had Astro

Boy slash Megamind. There's aspects of both that

I think make it worthy, but then at the same

time that don't. I would probably argue more

so Astro Boy because there's more of a story

and evolution to the characters and everything

else in there that I think makes it more interesting.

than Megamind, but I would kind of put that in

there. My superhero bias is coming out for one

film. Justice League Flashpoint Paradox. Because

it's, again, more serious. This one, the animation's

a little bit more dark compared to a lot of the

other DCAU stuff that's been displayed, even

more so than the Dark Knight Returns. But it's

focused in on one character and kind of giving

them a little bit of humility in a sense and

then having them have to strive and work towards

getting back to where they were. And then you

get to see an ultimate moment at the end with

something that happens with current timeline

Batman and what would have happened had certain

events not taken place. So it's kind of a nice

film. But yeah, that would be my top five. All

right, well, he has started it off as far as

which ones we would put in now that we've cleared

some room. So we'll go around and talk about

other films that people would put in their top

100 if they were in control. Neil, which ones

would you put in that we haven't talked about

here? Which ones would you say are top 100 worthy

if you had to? I'm going to go right back to

the stuff I already mentioned. I don't think

I understood. Probably Brave Little Toaster,

but it would be buried in the 90s. I think people

should watch this film. I love the film, but

I'm trying to hold back hyperbole, so I don't

want to put it up too high. It's a really cute

film, really touching, but it's also kind of

a product of its time. So yeah, that I would

put in there. Let's see. Again, just maybe for

personal reasons, again, go back to Rougency.

Probably like at 99, just have it there. Just

like here's a movie that you probably haven't

seen. After you're done watching the other 99

movies on this list, you should watch this one

too. Hmm. Yeah, I'm having a... I'm not sure

what else I would actually just squeeze into

the top ten. Anything that really has to be in

there. Probably The Great Mouse Detective. Might

just be my bias for the film. I saw it in the

theater and I really liked it. Haven't seen it

recently. I don't know if it would still hold

up, but I thought it was a really cute film.

Basically, Sherlock Holmes as a mouse. Winnie

the Pooh. Yeah, I would put that definitely in

the top ten. Probably right in the middle. Somewhere

between 40 and 50, I'd put it. Let's see, one

more. I would say... Let's go with heavy metal.

I love heavy metal. Someone else already mentioned

it, I think. But heavy metal is another one of

these movies where it's not perfect, but it's

kind of in the kind of grindhouse genre. Not

polished, but worth watching. So I would put

that somewhere in the 90s. I think you make a

good point about that kind of style, too. Or

something just not being that crystal clean,

you know, buffed up thing that's safe. for your

kids and all this other stuff. There is something

to say for that, and I have a couple that I would

mention as well. Let me get out of the way a

couple that you guys have already mentioned.

First, though, Great Mouse Detective, I'm 100

% in agreement. You know, for a list that had

a whole bunch of Disney, for that to be one of

the Disney films that was left out of the top

100 has me scratching my head. I would put that

way ahead of Sword and Stone. I'd put that ahead

of Hunchback, Tarzan. Hercules, Emperor's New

Groove, I'd put it ahead of a lot of the Disney

films we talked about. So I think Great Mouse

Detective definitely deserves a spot. You kind

of in passing mentioned Fritz the Cat. I think

just for what it was, that deserves a spot somewhere.

It's kind of an iconic film for a lot of different

reasons. I would actually put Fire and Ice in

the top 100. You're talking about that kind of

rough, you know, not polished type film. I think

Fire and Ice is pretty classic. Um, and I had

not seen that before a couple of years ago. Um,

but I think that's worthy for those fans of,

um, Watership Down. I think one that kind of

goes side and side, side by side with that would

be Plague Dogs. Um, I think Plague Dogs is, is,

uh, not necessarily the happiest movie in the

world, but, uh, that's a, that's a film that,

uh, that definitely, uh, can make an impact or

have an emotional response to it. So I have high

regards for that. So yeah, like Fire and Ice

and Plague the Dogs and Fritz the Cat, some of

those more, I guess, fringe films, I guess if

you want to say it that way. I would try to find

a spot somewhere in the top 100 for them. And

then my last one, I was kind of torn between

two. I know a lot of people don't say good things

about some of these films, but I think Tale of

Despereaux. That and or brave little toaster

one of those maybe makes it in there I thought

Tale of Despereaux was a good film. And Battle

for Terra. A lot of people probably haven't even

heard of that or haven't seen it, but I thought

that was a decent film too, so I would maybe

try to find some room for some of these more

under -the -radar science fiction or that type

of film. So those are some of the ones that I

would try to squeeze in there. Great Mouse Detective,

Fire and Ice, Plague Dogs, Fitz the Cat, and

either Battle for Terra or Tale of Despereaux.

Dan, you're the only one left here. Which films

are you putting in the top 100? Well, I'm in

agreement with Heavy Metal and Fritz the Cat.

I think both of those are these like cultural

icons and really Hammer Home is like subculture

and a very like huge like time capsules of a

certain era. And I think, well, I know Fritz

the Cat is currently streaming on Netflix along

with its sequel. So if you haven't seen it, it's

an easy access to it. Some other ones that are

on my list for me, it's the triplets of Belleville.

When we talked about WALL -E, we talked about

like, you know, there's not. any dialogue for

the first 45 minutes. Well, in Triplets of Belleville,

there's a total of like five lines of dialogue.

It's, you know, it's told mostly through its

score, through its characters. It's a really

wonderful movie that I would advise checking

out. And if you're not in the Fordham films,

it's one to see because there are no subtitles

because there's no real dialogue. Another one,

I love Claymation, and one of my favorites is

Marion Max. It's an Australian film. It's about

this girl from Australia that becomes a pen pal

with this middle -aged, you know, down -to -this

-look man from the Bronx. And it's just really

quirky and has some dark humor to it. And I think

that, too, is streaming on Netflix. And I love

the animation. It's, again, like one of those

French films. It's very messy -looking, and I

appreciate it for that. Another one that... I

don't know if this would count because it's...

I don't know if there's... I couldn't find an

English version of it, but I wanted to bring

it up, and that's Fantastic Planet. I've never

taken acid, but I have seen Fantastic Planet,

and I'm thinking there about the same thing.

Fantastic Planet is one of the oddest films I've

ever watched. But I don't know, something about

it being so odd that it's appealing to me. I

don't think it's an amazing movie, but I think

for a top 100, to give it some more charm, I

would throw it on there. And with Brave Little

Toaster, like I mentioned before, I also already

mentioned Castle in the Sky. And another one,

which is A Cat in Paris, that just came out last

year in the U .S., I think, two years ago in

France. And it's a traditionally animated movie,

I believe. And I just love the score to it and

the animation is really fluid. And, again, I

think that is to streaming on Netflix. It's a

smaller movie that I think a lot of people haven't

seen or even heard of that I appreciate. It's

a little gem, I like to say. But, yeah, those

are my choices for movies. could make the list

alright and for those of you that are curious

of what other films that maybe we didn't mention

that also got votes we will have this available

for you guys to peruse so you can see that maybe

some of your favorites weren't completely ignored

they were voted for or did appear somewhere on

the list we just don't have time to talk about

all 250 films that didn't make it Getting back

to the actual list that we revealed, I'm going

to spend a little bit of time kind of breaking

it down, looking at it, dissecting it a little

bit more before we get to the feedback. Specifically

going into a discussion of how the different

companies did, how sequels fared, and then breaking

it down a little bit as far as decades and years

and how that all broke down. So first off, getting

into companies, it should be no surprise with

what company had the... the highest number of

selections in our top 100. That would be Disney,

who came in with 37 different films that made

the list. Following that, with a late push, would

be Pixar, which had 11 films find their way into

the top 100. We did have 10 anime films. I know

that's not a specific company, but I just wanted

to give a general number of how many anime films

we included. 10 of those, 9 DreamWorks films,

7 films from the DC Universe, and then it goes

down from there. We had 5 that would be considered,

I guess, Blue Sky and or Fox, 5 Don Bluth films,

3 Paramount, which could include Comedy Central

MP3s, and hannah barbara and it goes down from

there so looking at some of those companies specifically

any surprises as far as you know how many films

disney pixar dreamworks had or specific within

each one maybe we get your idea of what you think

should be ranked highest amongst those companies

so what kind of go around the panel what do you

think is that you're It should be the top -ranked

Disney film, the top -ranked Pixar film, or the

top -ranked DreamWorks. You don't have to do

all of them. Just pick one if you want to, or

the top -ranked DC film, etc. Dan, what do you

think as far as some of those companies go? What

should be the highest ranking among some of those

companies? Well, for Disney, I had Lion King

as number one. It may be more of a bias since

that's part of my childhood, but I feel like

that's the best. pure disney movie um i have

no issue with that but disney like leading the

pack i think that's pretty much expected for

pixar pixar is so hard uh i mean it feels kind

of like a cop -out to say toy story is the best

one because i don't think if you go on every

single aspect of each movie that toy story is

the best but considering its impact and like

the fact that it helped launch pixar it's probably

there but i mean if you're just going on film

quality It's tough. Maybe Toy Story 3 or WALL

-E. Those are the three that to me are the trifecta

of Pixar. DreamWorks is easy for me. I think

How to Train Your Dragon is the best DreamWorks

movie by far. and what's interesting just looking

at all these companies is I would never have

guessed we had more anime movies than DreamWorks

films. It didn't feel like that, but looking

at the numbers, that does surprise me. Neil,

any reaction to how the companies broke down?

Anything that surprised you, or which films do

you like the most from some of those companies?

I don't remember if anything really surprised

me. Disney movie that should have been ranked

highest? I should have written it down. I didn't.

Probably, you know, I think the thing is I think

the movies, how they landed as far as like each

studio, whatever, ranked highest was pretty mostly

appropriate. I mean, The Lion King, can't really

argue with that. Toy Story 3, can't really argue

with that either for Pixar. DreamWorks, obviously

either How to Train Your Dragon or Shrek. In

fact, I'm probably going to give the edge to

Shrek just because. I don't know, it's always

my go -to DreamWorks film. If you're going to

watch any of them, you should watch this one

first. Yeah, I think I agree with you on those

couple, too. I think Pixar, nobody's going to

make the argument against Toy Story or Toy Story

3, and if they are, like Dan said, it's going

to be Up or WALL -E. I think everybody kind of

agrees that it's Shrek or How to Train Your Dragon

for DreamWorks. Disney, I think there's a lot

more debate. Some people would probably go Classic

Disney. I myself think that... The highest ranking

Disney film should be from either the late 80s

or early 90s with the foursome of Beauty and

the Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Lion

King, and usually people are going to lean towards

Lion King. I don't think there are surprises

with how our countdown had the tops of the top

company going down. I wasn't sure if we'd have

more, like you said, more anime films, more Pixar

films, or more DreamWorks films, and they're

all fairly close, but I was somewhat surprised

to see how that broke down. I didn't mean to

interrupt you, Neil. Other thoughts on the companies

overall? Not really, no. Steve, what do you think

about how we ranked amongst each company? Did

we get it right for the most part? I think for

the most part we did. Again, can't really argue

with Pixar. I mean, it's Toy Story or Toy Story

3. That's pretty much the go -to there. DreamWorks,

I'd have to argue, or not really argue, say the

same thing as Neil. It's the Honey Train Your

Dragon or Shrek, even though I really don't care

for this series of Shrek. The first film is undeniably

good. So, again, that's good there. Disney, I'd

have to say my go -to is Lion King, which that's

pretty common with a lot of people. It's, I think,

the last hand -drawn animation kind of Disney

film that actually was good. And then my, as

far as, like, DC, I'd... The only one I would

put highest is the, which, again, all of these

are the highest for the most part, which would

be Batman, Mask of the Phantasm. All right. We

talked about going into this list that it might

be something to look for. How will sequels fare?

How will they stack up against the originals?

And how many will get in the countdown? Unless

I missed one, going over the list here, only

six sequels. made it into the top 100. Is anybody

surprised at that? And more so outside of the

two Toy Story sequels, which were number two

and number 11, the other four sequels that made

it, you know, ranked 97, 90, 76, and 72. So they

didn't rank very high. And that was Rescuers

Down Under, Shrek 2, An American Tale 2, and

Despicable Me 2. Any surprise, Dan, that we only

had six sequels? Yeah, I'm not surprised with

the Rescuers Down Under, since most people probably

agree with us. Some people won't, but a lot of

people agree that that's possibly even better

than the original. And American Tail 2, I think,

is different enough and stands on its own enough

with 50 Goes West to include. I can see what

you're saying with Shrek 2 and Despicable Me

2 and the possibility of us only having four

sequels. Neil, what do you think on the whole

sequel argument? Yeah, I was a little surprised

that we had as few as we did. But I'm kind of

glad at the same time, just because, like he

just said, most of the time sequels, they're

more of a cash grab. And I feel that most of

them just get made without any really... They

don't really have a story to tell, per se. One

of the things I like about Toy Story 3 is that...

they didn't make it until they finally had a

story that was worth telling. You know, it wasn't

just like, it wasn't just like another day in

the life of Woody. Cause that's, that's kind

of how sequels feel to me. It's like they shift

from being like a single story with a, with a

single conflict to being like a, an episodic

thing, like a, like a, like just an episode of

a TV show. And that's, that's why I just, I will,

probably never watch any of the direct -to -home

Disney films that were made. I don't understand

the point of Cinderella 3. The thing is, you

already had a happily ever after ending, and

these characters weren't very interesting to

begin with. What possible story is there to tell

that's worth telling with Cinderella? I don't

get it. So yeah, I... I'm happy that only six

made it. And Steve, I'm assuming that you're

happy too since in the creation of your list

you were trying to avoid sequels for the most

part. Is six too many or is that just the right

amount? I don't really have a problem with it.

I think that that's fine. I'm glad that more

of them didn't show up. I think I'd be more upset

if more than six showed up in the list because

it's eliminating spaces that could be better

utilized by films that aren't getting represented

anyhow. uh so that that to me it's it's more

of a reason to uh not vote for them because it

just it frees up that extra space so you can

actually um have more diversity in there rather

than saying oh i like this series so i'm gonna

vote the first one the second one the third one

the fourth one in there um whereas if you know

they're truly good in the in the sense of uh

uh Toy Story and Toy Story 3, those were the

only two. I think that was the only instance

I listed two films. One where there was a sequel

to it in the original. I don't even think I listed

any other sequels in my list at all other than

that. Maybe the Dark Knight Part 2 because that's

technically almost one film. That's the same

reason I didn't list Toy Story 2. It was just

a weaker film. So again, there's no point in

having them if it's just going to weaken the

overall list. Right. I agree. Maybe one of the

biggest surprises as we revealed our list and

something we were all kind of looking forward

to seeing as we started the list was which decades

would be best represented and which years, etc.

And I think... most people will agree that, at

least on the panel, that we were most surprised

as to how that ended up breaking down. I don't

know if we expected different or if we just maybe

were blind to the possibility of this happening,

but if we're breaking it down by decade, obviously

we had a lot of decades represented. We had one

film from the 30s, we had four films from the

40s, five films from the 50s. down to three films

from the 60s. I guess that shouldn't be a super

surprise. Back up to five films from the 70s,

13 from the 80s, then up to 25 for the 90s, 30

for the first decade of the 2000s, and then 14

so far in what has been almost half a decade

here, not even close, I guess, only three years,

from the 2010s, 14 already. So a very... Top

heavy list as far as the last three decades.

Dan, surprises there as to how that decade list

broke down? Yeah, obviously the biggest surprise

there is that the 2000s, the first decade of

2000, dominates so much with 30 movies. I guess

there's been a huge influx of animation in the

last 15 years or so, which could explain it.

It's also what's fresh in people's minds. I mean,

that's probably a big factor. So I expected there

to... So, you know, for there to be a lot of

current movies or recent movies, but that many

to me is a little bit surprising. And I thought

we'd get a little bit more from the 90s. And

actually, there's more 80s movies than I anticipated.

I thought we'd get, you know, fewer in that decade.

But a few, you know, that 80s bias is still kicking

strong. So, yeah, that's pretty much all I have

for the just looking at the decades. Any surprises

there? Is that kind of how you thought it would

break down, Steve? I wouldn't say I was surprised

at all. I'm pretty sure that I was thinking it

was going to turn out how it did to some degree.

Yeah, Neil, your thoughts on Decades? That's

kind of how you thought it would play out? I

don't think I really had a presupposition as

to how it would go out, but I guess I'm a little

surprised because I've always kind of thought

of like the... The 40s, 50s, and 60s have been

kind of the golden era. I think the 90s pretty

much eclipsed the first four decades all by itself.

It's just such a... But then again, maybe not,

because we all grew up in the 80s and 90s and

2000s. And there's certainly been a lot more

animation studios. In more recent years, like

back in the 60s, it was pretty much only Disney.

So yeah, I'm not... Yeah, not only DreamWorks,

but Sony has its own animation division now.

We're getting international films in here now.

So yeah, in retrospect, I'm not too surprised.

But again, I just wasn't thinking about it when

I was filing the list. Right. I think one thing,

too, is back in those early decades, that was

still when they were trying to decide if making

these movies was even worth it, would it succeed

or not, whereas now it's just almost automatic

cash cows for any type of successful animated

film or franchise. I went a little bit further

and broke it down into which years had the most.

Most years, if you think about it, when you're

breaking down your yearly movie list, like Dan

and I like to do, You know, it's rare for one

animated film to... to crack your top 10, maybe

on occasion you'll have two. Most of these years,

as far as top 100 goes, you only have one or

two films represented in each year, with some

years having zero. And then there's the occasional

three in there. But there were a few years that

definitely stood out that had way more films

being released in them that made our top 100

than any of the other years. And those years

that I'm talking about would be 1988 had five

films make our top 100, 96 had five films, 99

had five films. And then more recently, 2007,

2009, 2010, and 2012. Looking at those years,

Dan, does anyone stand out as just a banner year

for animated films in general? Or which of those

has the best class? I would say 2010. I mean,

Toy Story 3, Tangle, Despicable Me, How to Train

Your Dragon, and Batman Under the Red Hood. I

mean, that's a pretty strong year, you know,

with Toy Story 3 leading the way. Despicable

Me, I think, is a pretty good movie, too. I think

How to Train Your Dragon is the best. DreamWorks

movie with, you know, you can go back and forth

with Shrek, like we mentioned. So you have two

movies there that are potentially two of the

best movies of their... of their respective studios.

So I think that's a pretty impressive year. I

think, too, what that year does is it represents

a whole lot of things. You know, you have, like

you said, one of the top Pixar films ever, Toy

Story 3, one of the best DreamWorks films, and

How to Train Your Dragon. You have what people

are calling as possibly the beginning of a new

era in Disney with Tangled. Despicable Me might,

in a way, represent all the many different studios

that are now emerging that are able to compete

or be on par with some of those major ones. And

then Batman Under the Red Hood, I guess, can

represent the comic movie genre as well. So I

think that's a good year. If you're an anime

fan, I guess you would look at maybe possibly

1988. with Akira and Grave of the Fireflies and

Inuit Totoro, along with Oliver and Company Land

Before Time, I guess aren't anything to just

completely disregard. The other one that stood

out for me was 99 with South Park, Iron Giant,

Toy Story 2. I wouldn't necessarily throw Tarzan

in there. Princess Mononoke. But just having

Iron Giant and Toy Story 2 and South Park make

that one a little bit notable. Neil, any of those

that stood out to you as just a really great

year for animation? I'd say, yeah, 1999. 1999,

just because Toy Story 2, Iron Giant, South Park

all in the same year, that was pretty good. I'm

sorry, I'm kind of scrambling here because my

audio dropped here while you asked the question,

so I wasn't sure what the question was at first.

Let's see. 2010 was another good one. Yeah, Toy

Story 3, Despicable Me. Despicable Me, that was

a good year. Those are the two that really stand

out to me. Steve, how about you? Any of the ones

that we didn't mention? As far as? Just a year

that had a lot of good films coming out as far

as those best classes that we had listed there

at the bottom. I don't really have an opinion.

Okay. You know, and most recently, I think a

lot of people, this kind of shows some of the

bias that maybe recent films, if you just take

that most recent year, 2012 with Wreck -It Ralph,

Monsters. brave batman dark knight a paranormal

rise of the guardians maybe a reason why some

of those made the list when we don't think that

maybe they should have or maybe they shouldn't

have been ranked as high um but interesting that

we had a couple of these years you know that

was one two three four that was about seven years

where five or more films made it whereas everything

else is basically one two or three um for the

most part um So yeah, it's interesting to see

how the decades broke down, and I guess if we

let the decade of the 2010s continue the rest

of what is basically six more years here, I guess

it could eclipse the first decade of the 2000s,

and it's already halfway there. So it would be

interesting to see what this list looks like

if we were to do it 5, 10, 15 years from now.

I guess that leads to another question that a

couple people brought up in the feedback. Which

is, you know, what more recent films do you think

might resonate more as time goes by? Is it a

consensus that we would be looking at something

like Frozen? Does anything else jump into your

head, Dan? I think Frozen. I think also Dark

Knight Returns Part 2, possibly. I think that

would fare even better because I think more people

would have an opportunity to see it. What else?

We've talked about this already, but Tangled,

possibly, if we see that being more of a linchpin

to this new Disney renaissance. And maybe, though

we had it ranked really high, I had some issues

with Wreck -It Ralph, but maybe if that even

holds the test of time even further, that may

be up there again. But those are some. I mean,

I can't really think of more. Maybe How to Train

Your Dragon, again, not to beat a dead horse,

but those are just the ones that jump in my head.

Going along that same argument, though, maybe

as time goes by, do we see the number of films

a company like Disney has? They had 37 out of

the 100. As years go by and as we have more of

Pixar, more DreamWorks, more of these other studios

that are coming along, independent, foreign,

anime, etc., do we see that? If we did this list

in 10, 15 years, do you think Disney would have

a smaller percentage of the top 100? on the verge

of another Disney renaissance, so to speak, where

they're going to have another resurgence and

they would hold just as strong, if not stronger?

That's a tough question. It's hard to say what...

If they continue on the path they're going, which

they probably would continue with the percentage,

I think no matter what year you do this, Disney's

going to dominate it. And I don't see the percentage

changing that much in 10 to 15 years. You may

not have certain Disney movies like Meet the

Robinsons on there, but you probably replace

it with something else that's recent during that

time. So I just think... What about do you...

Do you see any of these companies falling off?

Is DreamWorks, for example, is that something

that could fall off and have even less films

if you do that in the future? I don't see DreamWorks

because I think at this point they're a money

-making machine with some of their franchises.

Well, we'll see. I guess we could see Pixar dropping

off if they continue to decline. They have been.

They've been with stuff like Monsters, Inc. Brave

and Cars 2, they haven't lived up to their previous

films like WALL -E and those things. So they

may not hold such a high regard as they do right

now if they continue to put out a lesser product

that they have been. Neil, what's your thoughts

on the future of the animation landscape and

how companies may change or how this list could

change in future years? It's tough to say except

that... Yeah, I think Disney's always going to

be there just because there is such a high emphasis

on quality and on their pictures, even in spite

of movies like Home on the Range, which is kind

of a low point for them. But they've always stood

for quality, so I think they're always going

to be there in some regard. On the topic of Pixar,

I think what we're going to see happen is that

the difference between Disney and Pixar is slowly

going to fade, mostly because a lot of what made

those early movies great is a personal commitment

on the part of individual staff members at Pixar

to put out great movies like Toy Story and even

some of the shorts that I guess aren't really

in the scope of this, but like the movies that

Bounded came out with. with The Incredibles.

Everything they make is just fantastic, but it

is slowly on a decline, and I think it's just

because it's just kind of getting absorbed into

Disney, and as people retire, move out of Pixar,

or there's cross -pollination between the two

studios, it's just slowly going to become the

same. Let's see. DreamWorks, I think DreamWorks

is always going to be around, but I think DreamWorks,

I think Pixar is going to become sort of like

DreamWorks where it's just kind of like it's

there and it's, it's got a lot of franchises

and it stands for quality, but you know, Pixar

is like, or I'm sorry, DreamWorks is not as special

as Pixar. And I don't, I'm not sure. I'm not

sure if I'm getting my point across, but like

Pixar are kind of keep mixing these two up. DreamWorks

is always going to be there. It's a good studio.

Maybe it doesn't have as much heart as Pixar.

I don't know. It's always going to be there,

but I guess I should move on. I think we're at

an interesting point, though, in animation history,

because I think for so many decades, there was

no question about it. What's the best animation

studio? Who's putting out the best animated movies?

It's Disney, it's Disney, it's Disney for decade

and decade and decade. I think in the last 10,

20 years, ever since that Disney renaissance

ended, I guess, a little after Lion King, it

was kind of the first time in history where people

could make an argument for another company, specifically

Pixar, in recent times. So it'll be interesting

to see now if Disney takes back that throne with

what they're doing now and reigns again. knocks

these other guys down a little bit or or if we

have that competition between them all you know

fueling each other to always you know striving

for more or how that'll work but you know this

is the first time i think in in film history

where disney as far as the animated films go

is not necessarily um at the you know if you're

looking back at the last 10 years at the top

maybe if you're looking back at just the last

couple they've had that resurgence so be interesting

to see how it goes steve your thoughts on on

future landscape uh I think Disney slash Pixar,

because they're the same entity, are going to

be kind of up and down. I think right now is

their resurgence, but it's going to eventually

fall again. DreamWorks and some of the other

ones, it's kind of hit or miss, although it does

seem like DreamWorks is starting to actually

do halfway decent. Same thing with the Sony animation

and stuff like that. DC, I foresee a lot of good

things coming in the near future from them as

well. I definitely see it all impacting a list

again in the future should we do something like

this either with the same films or any kind of

animation or whatever we choose to do next. I

see a lot of it changing the next time around

just because of what we may have watched from

this time and from the fact that These studios

may actually have something to push some of these

either current new ones that are on our list

right now or old ones out. But yeah, I definitely

see them going. It's kind of going to be up and

down. Do you think if we did this list in 10

years that we'd actually have a Marvel movie

make our countdown? Not as of right now. Now,

if we were doing live action films, I would not

doubt it in the slightest. I would probably see

a lot more of those than I would DC. But DC's

animation is so far trumping Marvel. All right.

I'm just going around the table, just general

thoughts of the countdown. And before we get

into feedback, maybe whatever you want to bring

up. Biggest surprise of the countdown, biggest

disappointment. Things we got right, things we

got wrong, biases, etc. Dan, just general thoughts

on the countdown overall before we get into the

listener thoughts. Well, general thoughts. I

thought it was, you know, overall, I didn't have

any really major issues with it. I think as a

list, as a whole, I was kind of proud of it.

I think a lot of hard work went into it for a

lot of people. And I think the final product

shows that. And yeah, there might be some spacing

issues here and there. But I'm glad we did get

it right. wide -range movies, maybe we could

have had, oh, you know, a wider range, maybe

some older films, of course, but I think, you

know, considering everyone that put their thoughts

into it, I think the biases, as much as they

could have been, were removed, and, you know,

the gripes that are there, I think, are really

minute compared to what, you know, what they

could have been, so. Yeah, I agree. I'm definitely

happy with the overall product. I'm not disappointed

with any of it. If I had to point out one area

that I think was probably the weakest part of

the list would be the overabundance of late 90s

Disney films. Specifically, I thought that was

probably the worst part about our countdown was

how many of those we had. I guess the biggest

surprise for me would be that Toy Story franchise

took number one and number two. I think, like

a lot of people, I thought a Lion King would

sneak in there and be in one of those spots or

something like that. I was somewhat surprised

when I did all the tallies and added everything

up that we ended up with a clean sweep of the

top two spots by Toy Story. Neil, surprises,

disappointments, general reactions to the list?

I don't really have a... I don't really have

too big a problem with the list. In fact, I'm

pretty satisfied with the list. I mean, outside

of a couple misplacements of movies. But that's

the thing. There are only a few. So overall,

it was a pretty good list. And going back to

how I compiled my list, I didn't worry too much

about biases sneaking in. I pretty much knew

that I was going to have biases no matter what.

But I think just the nature of the list... you

know, having 20 different people contributing,

or groups of people at least, it kind of, for

the most part, it kind of ironed all those biases

out and ranked things appropriately, regardless

of what the biases were. The exception being,

like what you said, the late 90s films from Disney

were, you know, some of those were not so good.

Yeah, those... That was really the only disappointing

part for me, I think. I'll have to agree with

that. Other than that, I was pretty satisfied

with it. Yeah, and I think you bring up a good

point, too, is when we include that many lists,

what happens is movies do have to have somewhat

of a, not necessarily a universal appeal, but

they have to be regarded by most of the people.

working on the list as at least deserving of

somewhere in the top 100. Because if you look

at it, it was very rare for a film, you know,

like just take our top 50, it's almost impossible

to be on our top 50 without being on over half,

if not two thirds of the list that were submitted.

So it does, regardless of if one list is biased

towards Pixar, one list is biased towards 90s

Disney, one list is biased towards, you know,

superhero films, etc. That kind of goes out the

window because in order for a film to be highly,

highly ranked, it had to be on two -thirds of

the list regardless of an individual bias that

may be out there. It may turn up a little bit

more in the latter half, you know, that first

20, 30 films where you didn't have to quite be

in half of the list to be on there. But yeah,

that's definitely the bonus of having as many

people as we did. It does, like you said, iron

out some of that. Steve, overall reactions, general

thoughts on it before we get into the listeners'

thoughts? I definitely think that we did a fairly

good job this time around compared to the top

100 animated. cartoons uh quote unquote all -time

list um because one we had a lot more contributors

uh mostly in part to dan uh and then um i think

also it it helps because uh there's more attention

paid to for the fact that they're films rather

than the nostalgia of watching a television show.

So I think that helps a lot in this area compared

to that top 100. And I also feel like not only

has the feedback been great on this, but the

way things have happened to fall, even if I may

disagree with them. I can't really argue with

anything that actually showed up. A lot of it

was well warranted, well placed. The fact that

we had such great diversity in this entire countdown

has been amazing. Anime did get represented.

Foreign did get represented. I will agree that

there have been some biases. I'm sure there have

been people inflating it on purpose, but that's

unavoidable in pretty much anything. But I definitely

think that it gave us an opportunity to learn

from it and to, again, further tweak it in the

future. But it's been an amazing ride. Yeah,

for sure. I think, too, regardless of, you know,

some people may have issues with certain things

not being ranked as high or certain things ranked,

you know, as low. There's definitely going to

be a lot that we get into here with the feedback.

But overall, yeah, it was definitely can't make

too many arguments against one thing or, you

know, be up in arms too much about it. So getting

into the feedback a little bit. First of all.

Thank you, everybody, that was providing feedback.

We have a ton of feedback. Steve, do you know

how many comments, emails, et cetera, that we

got in total by any chance? The comments on the

site, even if it was partially us, kind of ranged

between 60 and 80 as far as just comments on

each individual post. We did happen to get 10

individual emails, two of which included a voicemail

clip, which will be played after we get through

the email part. But yeah, definitely good hearing

from everybody, hearing the opinions and some

of the how they would have placed things or either.

calling us out or trying to better understand

how we place things. Well, and I think one thing

that people need to realize too is, you know,

we could have... uh... we could get everybody

together as many people as we want to together

and we could really have like a a brainstorming

session and we could just for hours and hours

argue and debate amongst ourselves and then come

up with our list uh... kind of as more of a collaborative

effort uh... but i think part of the fun for

us or for you guys is uh... not knowing the list

ahead of time and kind of the reveal process

and going through one by one just to see without

without that discussion without being able to

to debate back and forth which may produce a

better list overall It creates more of that,

I don't know, not necessarily suspense, but more

of that interesting reveal as we go through and

see, you know, without that knowledge, how did

things stack up just us blindly submitting our

own list? I'm not saying it's the perfect method,

but it's a method that works well for the way

we're doing things with the podcasting and whatnot.

So I kind of like doing it this way, even if,

you know, if we had like an actual brainstorming

session, we might be able to come up with a list

we're more 100 % proud of. but that's just kind

of part of the beast. Did you want to go into

any of the, some of the issues that were brought

up in the emails? I noticed that some of them

were just people basing it off of, of placement

or some of it was calling out like the fact that,

you know, Transformers and where it placed or,

or DC Batman or Wreck -It Ralph. And again, I

think we kind of discussed some of the biases

in the introduction episode of this, and I think

we've kind of covered it in this episode that,

you know, yeah, some of it's unavoidable, and

some of it we agree, yeah, they place too high

or whatnot. But I did see a lot of that in there.

There were a few people that sent in what they

would have listed things at. which was kind of

interesting. Yeah, I think, too, something that

kind of came up with a lot of the feedback was...

You know, there's a lot of people that wanted

to include this or include that. And, you know,

through the comments on the site specifically,

it's like, well, okay, but then what do you take

out? And, you know, that's one thing that I think

is a little bit harder to do. Got some good discussion

there because everything that you want to bring

up or include or put higher, then that means

you have to also in turn take something out,

bump something back, et cetera. So leads to some

good discussion there. Obviously, a lot of people

wanted us to rank anime higher in general. which

we expected. There was some mention of not nearly

enough love for claymation or stop -motion animation,

which, again, I stated my opinion of it earlier.

Should we do this again in the future, I will

make sure I've seen everything that was at least

on this list to better rank them for the next

time, including more claymation and stop -motion,

even though I personally despise the animation

style. I will get beyond that to try and watch

it to better vote it next time. I did notice

some people listing some movies and then actually

giving opinions of what to remove, such as adding

a Winnie the Pooh film and Brave Little Toaster

and removing Shrek 2, Ice Age, Cars, or TMNT

and that kind of stuff, which was kind of interesting.

We did get some... positive feedback of the fact

that they were impressed by the fact that we've

taken such a big undertaking of not doing a top

10 or top 20 but doing an entire top 100 all

in one list kind of thing and also kind of comparing

it with Rotten Tomatoes and other sites like

that. I thought it was interesting, too. One

person, I think they were a contributor as well,

even took all the different lists that they could

find. They said they took Rotten Tomatoes and

IMDb and all these different lists and kind of

mashed them together and saw that our list wasn't

too far off from when you take all of those and

kind of combine them. He had an interesting way

of putting them all together and seeing what

was ranked on all those different lists and what

ranked high, and we were pretty in line with

it. Another discussion that a lot of people had

through the email and whatnot was... how much

you should make sure that, you know, saying that

there's basically some must -watches, some films

that you have to watch before you make this list,

which obviously some people that are involved

didn't. You can't see every film, et cetera,

so I understand that to a point. Dan, can you

kind of weigh in on that argument? Are there

some films that basically everyone should have

watched before they went about making this list?

I would say yes, but I would also say those months'

watches are probably different for every single

person, so it's hard to say. And I think also

something to consider is the accessibility of

some of those movies. I know a lot of people

pointed to some of the anime films. Well, it's

hard to get access to them in limited space,

limited time. You don't have movie stores anymore.

It can get expensive, like renting online. But

I do understand, and I don't necessarily disagree

with the idea that... when you're like constructing

this list to try to have as much background knowledge

as you can but i think no matter you always can

get to a point where there's something you haven't

seen yet or haven't seen in a while and there

is limited time here you know we this isn't something

we do for a living this is something we do for

a free time so it's I would love to be able to

go back and re -watch all the classic Disney

movies, go back and re -watch some of the movies

I haven't watched in a while, but it's just a

limited amount of time. I mean, I did try to

fill some holes, as I made my list, and some

of those ended up making my top 100, but I also

think you have to understand that a lot of people

who... gave out lists and contributed did so

you know out of their own kindness of their hearts

and i wasn't going to demand them to you know

make sure that they have certain films because

it's it's time consuming just to construct a

list and then just to try to watch movies on

the top of that and i think it also It gives

you a good picture of just what people think

in general in some ways, and I think that's why

we tried to get a different variety of people

to contribute it. Some general fans, some more

hardcore fans, some in the middle. And I think

because of that mix, we got a list full of films

from all different types, all different eras,

and all different types of formats. I think,

too, you bring up a good point, and you brought

up a good point overall. going on. what your

kind of hope was for something like this, and

I think a couple different things I kind of hope

in creating this series of podcasts. Number one,

for just anyone who's a fan of animation, anyone

who's a fan of animated films, etc., you know,

this is hopefully something that they can enjoy,

something they can listen to people talk about

a lot of films they love, but more to your point,

hopefully can expose people to some stuff that

maybe they haven't seen, maybe they, you know,

put on their list to watch, and as the first

time that we've ever done something like this

with animated films, I think it's a good starting

point it throws out all it kind of is to me like

taking all the animated films that are maybe

there so that if you were to do this again you

kind of have an idea of all the different films

that were mentioned all the ones that possibly

could be worthy of making the list it gives you

a good cross -section of all the films maybe

that you should take into consideration when

when trying to come up with your own list or

trying to come up with your own favorite movies

or movies to add to your collection, movies to

watch, etc. And then hopefully spark some debate.

I do enjoy that, at least according to a couple

of the people that submitted emails, even talking

about them and their friends having debates on

this that we inspired or caused them to have

a bunch of debates on what they would put in

their list. So, you know, encouraging debate,

encouraging discussion, and hopefully giving

a wide cross -section of all the different movies

that could possibly be in someone's top 100,

I think was the main goal for me. I enjoy that.

Steve, other thoughts on the feedback or other

things you wanted to touch on? I noticed there

were a couple people that were stating the fact

of, again, more films that got left off that,

again, we touched on. And then the fact that

some films, such as Aladdin, there's like two,

there's like half of it is kind of split one

way and half the other way on a lot of the films.

And I found that kind of interesting. People

were catching that. I really wasn't paying attention

to it when we were talking about it. But there's

that. And then the fact that there are people

mentioning things about, you know, if we were

to do it again in 10 years or so, you know, what

current films. And again, I'm not going to touch

on that because that could either be blog posts

in the future or again, another episode or another

saga of this kind. But also people are asking,

you know, hopeful that there'll be another top

100. I was, number one, very surprised at how

much positive feedback we got on this one and

on kind of going hand in hand with that. Surprised

at how many people are clamoring for more of

this in the future. And that makes me smile.

Because that is exactly the type of stuff I like

to do. Yes. The amount that we may do, it depends.

And it, again, depends on time because these

are usually many months in the making because

of the high caliber we're going for. The good

thing is, though, that since this is our second

one, we've learned a lot through doing the Top

100 Animated Series and now the Top 100 Animated

Films, and we're getting polished and efficient,

at least I am. So I don't think it's going to

quite take as much time as it has in the past,

so we may be able to do them a little more often

and quicker and faster and more efficiently with

still getting a good product now that we've kind

of learned some stuff from our first two ventures.

Yes. But yeah, in 2014, there'll be an announcement.

I will tease the fact that there will be another

Top 100. I will not state what it is. But we

also have a way for you to chime in. Yes, we

do. Which is, you can... Call the voicemail line,

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if you want to get a hold of me and your guys'

is? Mine's at OptimusSolo. Mine is NeilSama.

And Dan is at MovieRevolts. And Steve, did you

want to talk about the poll real quick as well?

Yes. The poll on the website currently is, which

is now changed, it says now that the top 100...

is over how often do you want to see one of these

and uh the options are every other year two a

year or yearly so how often do you want to see

the top 100 list or top 50 list or things like

this do you want us to do just one a year do

you want us to take years off and just do one

every other year or do you want these as many

times as possible multiple times per year so

that is go ahead you know let your voice be heard

we will try to accommodate you know what the

masses want as much as we can. Like I said, it

is, it is a task, so we can do, uh, we can do

only so much, but we will try to do as much as

everybody can. Yep. So, uh, I think that about

covers it. I'm not sure what we'll be, uh, talking

about next, uh, in geek cast radio. Uh, I know

we'll be going into, uh, uh, plethora of roundtable

episodes coming up in the near future. The general

thought process is, and it probably won't be

until after the beginning of the year, we're

going to try and shoot for weekly with varying

hosts on the show. Stay tuned for that, and again,

there'll be more information later on the next

Top 100, which will be in 2014. And if you are

a fan of this, you probably may be new to the

network, I would say stay tuned, because before

we get to our next Top 100, we will have another

cool event going on at Geekcast Radio that you'll

probably want to be a part of, which will be

our next GCRN Wars tournament, which will be

coming in the first half of 2014 as well. Yes,

that is a momentous occasion considering the

first one was such a resounding success and...

This one's going to be even better. This one's

going to be twice as big. So be ready for the

next GCR1 Wars tournament and then hopefully

after that we'll get into our next possibility

for top 100, top 50 list. So until next time,

we have been... Optimus Solo. I'm Beer Vault

Dan. And TV's Mr. Neal, thank you for putting

up with my stammering. No problem, and until

next time, unleash the geek in you. Hello, Mike

and the GCRN crew. Brad here from Australia with

some thoughts on the Top 100, and more importantly,

the Top 10 animated films of all time. The only

one I probably wouldn't have put in the Top 10

is Iron Giant, but that's only because I haven't

seen it. As for Lion King versus Toy Story, well,

as the list shows, the Lion King's undisputedly

the number one animated or hand -drawn traditional

film of all time, and Toy Story number one CG.

And I guess, depending on the day, you could

go either way, whether Toy Story was number one

or Lion King was number one. Probably a bit better

of a discussion would be... which was better

between Toy Story 1 and the third Toy Story movie.

And I suppose a bit of controversy to add to

the pot after stating that some of the films

should have been added because of what they did

or their technical merit. I'll surprise the...

Final Fantasy Spirits Within wasn't somewhere

in the top 100. Yes, the plot wasn't the best,

but just for what it done for CGI animation back

in the day, I remember a lot of people talking,

saying this was the way movies were going, and

that actors would be reduced to voice cast. But

anyway, overall it was a good selection of movies.

I can't disagree with too many of them. They're

all great films. I look forward to the next countdown.

Thanks, guys. I'll catch you all later. Hey,

guys. Jeremy here. I just figured I'd send you

an MP3 of my two cents in regards to the top

100 animated films. Currently, I'm listening

to number 10. I don't know what number 1 is.

As of yet. But. The only quick thing that I want

to say. In regards to Dark Knight Returns. I

would have put it at number one. Only because.

It is one of the more interesting. Of the Batman

stories. If the Justice League did break up.

I think it would go something like this. If Batman

was forced to retire. If the Joker did come out

of retirement. And they did have one final battle.

I feel that this is. It would definitely. go

down the way that it did in the movie. I don't

want to give away too many spoilers on Dark Knight

Returns Part 2 because I don't know if Mike finally

got to sit down and watch Part 2. But when he

does, it's a very... When you do watch Part 2,

Mike, there is something I wanted to discuss

with you in regards to the quote -unquote final

Joker -Batman fight. But in Dark Knight Returns...

Joker kind of comes off like an aging rock star

coming out of retirement. The same thing with

Bruce Wayne, a .k .a. Batman. I also like that

Superman has become a tool of the government.

And he's trying to prevent the Cold War. Doing

his best to destroy as many nuclear missiles

as possible. And I also love how the authority

figures like the mayor and... And the deputy

mayor in these movies look like Weeble toys,

like Weeble wobble, they don't fall down. It's

definitely a love letter to the 80s. I mean,

the mutants remind me of the 1980 punk phase.

Joker's on the talk show. It's showing how big

David Letterman was becoming. It's well thought

out, it's well written, and it does have an interesting

ending. So it does have the nice little what

-if scenario. And as for another Batman movie,

I love Under the Red Hood because it is another

tight story. It's well voice acted, and I also...

Bender as the Joker. Nuff said. Uh... In regards

to two other movies on the list, Wreck -It Ralph

and Little Mermaid, I would have put them somewhere

between four and five. Wreck -It Ralph, I would

put four. Little Mermaid, I'd put five. I think

Wreck -It Ralph is an interesting... I like how

Ralph and Vanell B. Von Schweetz play off of

each other. It's a tighter story about wanting

to change ones. um, character slash fate per

se, um, it's definitely when, when they're in

the, um, you know, the, uh, candy, uh, no, the

Sugar Rush world, yeah, it's definitely beautifully

animated, and when they're in the, um, that bug

world, where, where it's like a first person

shooter, it, it, it's definitely a, a homage

to all the, uh, 90s shooter games, and Island

to Duck is a, um, As King Candy, it's like an

Edwin Mad Hatter type of personality. It was

just icing on the sugar rush cake. Little Mermaid,

I think a lot of girls, of course, thought of

Ariel as a role model. But I definitely had a

crush on Ariel. I know she's an animated character.

And I think next to Maleficent, Ursula is one

of the more interesting Disney villains. She's

got a great... I love Poor Unfortunate Souls.

I like how it's animated. I like how she's telling

Ariel about making deals, and if people can't

pay a price, they turn into, like, these little

polyp things. I love the little, you know, those

eel henchmen that Ursula has. It's just another

underrated, underappreciated villain. So, all

in all, great list. Loved it. And talk to you

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