GCR – Episode 54 – Top 100 Animated Films 60-41

Hey guys, this is Rob Paulson, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Geekcastradio

.com presents The Geekcast Radio Top 100 Animated

Films Countdown Hey, dragon, dragon, not lizard.

I don't do that tongue thing. Hello and welcome

to GeekCaster Radio episode 54. I am one of your

hosts, Tutu and Mike. Joining me is Optimus Solo.

Hello. I'm here. You are here. Steve Megatron.

Hello. Hello. Lord. It's going to be one of those

nights. And movie revolt Dan. Hello. How's it

going? Wow. Why did Michael Wilson join the call?

Holy crap. Today we continue on with the countdown

of the top 100 animated films. We are revealing

numbers 60 through 41 in this episode. All right.

Any initial stuff we need to get out of the way,

Kev? Well, I think this, as always, well, we've

only done two of these countdowns. But as is

the trend, I mean, this is the middle episode.

This is the third out of the five actual countdown

episodes. And so in that respect, it's interesting.

It's kind of a mixed bag. I don't mean that in

a negative connotation. But like we've discussed

before, you know, your first half, first third,

first quarter of the countdown, you know, it

can be a lot of those films that get really highly

ranked but not as widely. And then you transition

into films that, you know, it almost becomes

a rule where you have to be on. Once you reach

a certain level in the countdown, you basically

have to be on at least half the list in order

to appear. So this is kind of that transition

transition phase, I guess, since it's covering

the halfway point. kind of put some statistics,

I guess, behind my speech so it's not just all

talk. Once we hit, which we'll do in this episode,

once we hit number 50, from then on out, we will

never have a movie that's not listed on at least

half of the submitted lists. So that is something

that kind of happens as you turn that corner.

It's also an interesting episode because we get

to discuss a little bit as far as if something

is top 50 material or if something is not top

50 material. A lot of times with these types

of countdowns, it's not, I don't have too much

of a problem. Like, let's say if, you know, something

shows up that's 61 and I think it should be 68

or, you know, within individual rankings, it's

not that big a deal. And like Dan has referenced

in some of the forum posts, you know, it's not

necessarily about the numbers for everybody.

I like to look at it in more broad spectrums

as far as like groups of 10 or in this case of

do I think something deserves to be top 50 or

do I think something should not be in the top

50? And that's something we can discuss a little

bit as we move through this episode as we'll

get the last films that don't make the top 50

and the first films that do make it. Other than

that, I just thought we could go around maybe

just real quickly, anybody that has any thoughts

about the movies that have been mentioned so

far, things that they've noticed, things they're

surprised about, things they're looking for as

we transition here into the other half of the

countdown, reactions to the feedback we've been

getting on the website or anything like that.

I thought I'd start with Dan, just to get your

thoughts so far as we near the halfway point

of this countdown. I guess just starting on the

feedback, I think it's pretty awesome how much

feedback we're actually getting just on the forum

pages alone. A few comments. Yeah. Yeah. Just

a lot, a lot of comments, a lot of good discussion.

A lot of people agree with us. I'm not down,

which is good, which is makes for a fun discussion.

The biggest, like to me, the thing that I took

away so far within the two episodes we've done

is just I'm surprised by the amount of like recent.

uh movies a lot of movies from this past you

know 10 15 years or so i wasn't expecting that

as much i figured that within the first episode

the first 20 you would get some of that but even

As we have gone further, we've gotten that as

well. And we haven't really seen a lot of the

big players show up yet. There hasn't been many

Hayao Matsuki movies. There hasn't been any Pixar

movies at all. So it has me wondering what we

have in store. Those are the two big things that

I've really noticed, just the amount of current

films and some of the bigger names that still

have yet to be spoken for. And again, this is

a little different than we did when we did our

top 100 animated series list. When we did our

top 100 animated series list, we spent some time

before we got to the actual countdown talking

about honorable mentions, talking about things

that didn't quite make the countdown so that

we could at least discuss some of those things.

And this time we decided to do that more in the

wrap up. So we will still get to talk about movies

that don't make the top 100 that got voted on.

But we're doing it this way, I guess, in a way

so that it keeps it. more of a mystery whether

stuff is even on the list or not, where we kind

of tipped our hand a little bit with the F100

animated series list. And again, as you guys

have probably known since you've been listening,

that I'm the only one that knows which movies

are on the countdown and which ones are not.

So there might be ones that you guys are expecting

to see that we don't see. And you mentioned the

feedback. I'm somewhat surprised at how, I mean,

yeah, there's films here and there that people

probably are questioning or, like I said, like

individual rankings where some people might think

it should be a little bit higher, should be a

little bit lower. We have a poll on the website

now that says, do you agree with our top 100

countdown so far? And 10 out of the 12 people

are either 50 -50 or yes. So, I mean, it's generally

positive so far. And the other thing that I think

you brought up that's crazy to me. At this point,

as you said, that we have not had a single Pixar

film yet and we're almost nearing the halfway

point. Is that. I think that's going to be our

G1 for this countdown, honestly. And what I mean

by that is. One of the biggest criticisms of

the animated series countdown is that Transformers

G1 was number three overall of that countdown.

And I think with. Pixar, we're approaching top

60 at this point, top 50, getting into the 40s.

We haven't seen a single Pixar film. I could

have sworn Ratatouille would have at least been

at number 88 or something like that. And I think

that's probably what's not going to really...

anger people but that's going to be like oh that's

their bias they love pixar blah blah blah i mean

it there's two possibilities obviously since

we have not had a pixar film yet either we're

not going to rank as many pixar films as people

think we should or we're going to have a top

half that's maybe more loaded with pixar films

than people should would think so um a couple

other things kind of going overall so far um

we have had excuse me i'm somewhat fighting sickness

for about 10 days. So bear with me, but we've

had four, we've had about five or six, one, two,

three, four, five, uh, Marvel or DC films. Um,

that's another thing that we, we kind of brought

up the question during the last couple episodes

is if we were done with those, if we would see

any more, if we would see any Marvel films whatsoever,

if we would see more DC films and then, you know,

going along some other trends, we did not. have

a single uh anime film in our last episode our

last section you know the first episode we did

we had a couple um up here in the in that 100

through 81 and we did not have any 80 through

61 so i guess that's something to be on the lookout

too as as we near the halfway point Will anime

show up again? If so, where? Which ones? And

stuff like that. So there's a lot of things to

kind of look for. Steve, any reaction so far

as to what you've seen through the first 40 and

what we're expecting as we kind of near that

halfway mark? Well, for me with the first 40,

I've been kind of amazed at how many from the

same companies that have shown up, such as Disney

or... A little bit of DreamWorks, a little bit

of DC Animation. I'm kind of surprised with how

big the pool is, and I could be wrong, as this

episode and the future ones shall tell, that

there aren't more anime and foreign in there.

I mean, I know that myself and a few others may

not have... Yeah, I didn't want to single you

out, but... I'm proud of it. I don't care. I'm

not an anime fan. Well, I know. And for those

that, you know, didn't listen to the first episode,

go back and listen to it so that you kind of

understand our viewpoint. But with 20 to 30 people

ranking in these, things could end up anywhere.

And I'm kind of surprised that. But again, things

could show up later on that, you know, depending

on how many votes. Because like you said, Kevin.

it'll start showing up on more lists as the list

goes closer to one. So, um, but yeah, I mean,

I'm kind of surprised about that. I'm kind of

surprised Marvel hasn't had anything show up

yet. Uh, if it's going to at all, uh, I'm surprised

kind of at Pixar, but I kind of agree with Mike

too, that it's going to be kind of the TFG one

of the entire thing being that, uh, for the most

part, Pixar does have, I mean, it's not like

transformers anyway, because it's better quality

overall. for most of the films. Um, I'm just

hoping that some that are worse than others don't

show up. Uh, but I, I have loved the, uh, the

feedback on the website though. That's, that's

been really cool. And, going back and forth,

even though, uh, some of us have butted heads

a little bit on it, it's, it's still been fun.

Oh yeah. The discussion is what's fun. The, the

continuing, continuing the conversation, uh,

in any form is fun. I think I checked a little

bit ago. We were over 60 comments on that. The

first episodes post. Obviously, by the time you

hear this, we'll have already had lots of comments

on the second episode, etc. Dan also brought

up something that we kind of touched upon throughout

the episode so far is the heavy amount of 2000s

and 90s. Now, it's always so weird for me talking

about the 2000s because technically we're in

the second decade, but it's so easy to lump them

all together, which sometimes isn't fair. But

we have had over 20 films so far. um in that

first 40 were from 2000 onward so that's basically

half the films that we've talked about so far

have been from 2000 onward and then about a fourth

of them have been in the 90s we literally have

only had three films from night from the 80s

uh that was fox and the hound um and then we

had uh ninja scroll and we had um kiki's deliveries

i'm sorry for oliver and company so we've we've

had less than five films from the 80s we've only

had two films that have predated the 80s so far,

and that was 1978's Watership Down and 1970's

The Aristocats. Does that shock anybody, Dan,

as far as the lack of not only 80s but pre -80s,

that we haven't seen a single thing outside of

those two that dated before 1980? That does shock

me in some ways. I think what happens, too, is

just we've been, I think for like the last...

since maybe the onset of pixar or computer generation

we've just been like bombarded with more animation

than ever so i think it's just sometimes when

doing these lists it's what's fresh in people's

minds so they might not think back into the earlier

days but also what might happen is it's front

loaded with all the classics because you know

what has made what has stayed true since earlier

days, people may rate highly higher. So that

might be what makes up the majority of the list.

So you might have a unbalanced list where in

the way where you have like all the recent stuff

up front and then all the classic stuff is more

reserved for the front end. So that's also a

possibility. Obviously, you know, we don't know

that, but the fact that we've only had a few

in the eighties, which is surprising because

if you look at our like genre list, we've had,

we've kind of dominated in the eighties and only,

A few prior to that is a little bit shocking,

but like I said, it's hard to say without knowing

what's to come. Well, and the other thing that

sometimes I'm almost surprised that we've had

so many films from the 2000s because what happens

the more recent, I think there's two different

ways to look at it. In one way, like you said,

it's fresh in your mind. It's what you've seen

lately. So you think about it and you may rate

it higher because you haven't had time for it

to digest so much. But a lot of times stuff that

comes out more recently doesn't get a place on

lists like this because not enough people have

seen them. Whereas the longer something has been

out, the more likely it is that a wider range

of people have had the chance to see something.

So it's kind of interesting to see how that's

playing out and what we'll see going forward.

Any other thoughts about what you expect, what

you fear, what you're scared of, what you're

hoping to see as we move into today's episode?

Mike, start with you. The thing is, going back

to the whole decade thing, everybody's always

not really criticized us for this. A lot of people

love us for this. But since the majority of us

grew up in the 80s, you know, we started out

as an 80s Transformers -centric kind of network

because that's where Steve and I started our

origins with Transformers podcast. But we've

always catered ourselves towards the 80s specifically.

And that's kind of what I'm glad that we haven't

had. I'm happy that there's been a lot of some

90s, a lot of 2000s, because you don't want to

have someone say, oh, those are just those 80s

Transformers podcast guys. That's all they like

is stuff from the 80s. They don't care about

the other decades. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

So I'm interested to see what other films from

the 80s show up, but I'm kind of glad that hardly

any of them have. Steve, any last thoughts? No,

I think everybody's pretty much summed it up.

And Dan, anything before we move on to what will

be the turning point in our countdown from the

halfway, what doesn't make the top 50 to what

does? No, I'm just looking to get the list started.

All right. Well, let's not wait any further.

Then let's get on with the list. 60. All right.

We're starting today, as he said, with number

60. As we hit our last 10 films that will be

on this side of the 50 mark. We talked a lot

in that intro about years, about things that

we've seen and trends that we've seen. Well,

I guess it will, at least for now, continue as

we start this episode. Number 60 coming from

the year 1998. Disney film. Mike, usually you

have a guess. 98, 98. Oh, crap. All I remember

from that year is missing a quest for Camelot

to go to a Garth Brooks concert. Holy crap. Is

it Atlantis? Close. Mulan? It is the movie Mulan.

So number 60 is Mulan from 1998, Disney film.

It got 519 points. Remember, the most you can

possibly get in this countdown is 2 ,000. That

would be a perfect score. Number one rank from

all 20 lists. It's got 519. It was on nine lists.

The highest it got ranked was 13th. Rotten Tomatoes

score of 86. Dan, your thoughts on starting still

in the late 90s here, still with some of that

Disney era stuff that we had an extensive discussion

about in one of our previous episodes as far

as how the different 90s Disney films stack up

against each other. Where does Mulan rank amongst

those other ones? It seems at this point to be

one of the higher ones that we've seen because

we've seen a lot of the other ones in the previous.

in the previous episode so how do you feel like

this one ranking where it does here at number

60 i think it's about right i think it is it

is not near the top echelon of disney of the

90s but it's i think above things like tarzan

a hunchback and notre dame maybe that maybe they

may be about even but much above like i just

even say something like lilo instead or something

like that i do Really like Milan. I do think

similar to other Disney movies of the time, it

does get kind of lost in the shuffle. I just

do think it's a good story. I love the animation

and I love it's like Disney going into an ethnic

world and doing it properly. As we all know that,

you know, Disney in the past doesn't always handle

racial stereotypes all that well. But this was

kind of the, you know, the opposite end of that

where they were really spotlight spotlighting.

A different part of the world they really never

dealt with previously and did a good job with

it. I do like the character of Mulan. And they

took that classic fable, Chinese fable, I believe,

and made it into a solid story. And Eddie Murphy,

I mean, I think him as that dragon, in a lot

of ways, maybe what landed him the spot is the

donkey and Shrek. So some people may say that's

a good thing. Some people may say that's a bad

thing. Of all the Disney movies that, you know,

not including things like Lion King or Aladdin,

you know, the cream of a crop, I do think this

is like, you know, a good spot for it, I think,

as we move into the more classic Disney. And

for those trying to remember which ones we've

ranked already that are in the same time frame

that we listed off the other day, outside of

a goofy movie, because that's kind of a different

ball of wax, we've already listed Pocahontas.

We've already listed Tarzan. We've already listed

Hunchback of Notre Dame and Emperor's New Groove,

which I feel all of those are kind of from that

same chapter in the Disney world. Which means

that the only ones that we really haven't talked

about from that era would be Mulan, which we're

talking about right now. And the only other one

that I'm thinking that, looking at a list of

Disney releases, From the 90s, the only other

one that we haven't talked about is Hercules.

So, Mike, how do you feel about Mulan coming

in at number 60 compared to those other Disney

movies we just mentioned? I like Mulan. I think

60 is, you know, I kind of agree with Dan that,

you know, going into the more classic that you

have this story here at number 60, I like all

the characters in it. And Eddie Murphy just brings

his star power to... what is probably the smallest

role he's ever had as far as the character's

size. But it's really, really interesting what

this story did because not only is it showing

that women can be empowered, but it's also showing

family values and doing right by your parents

and et cetera and all that. The animation is

wonderful. I was kind of shocked that Stevie

Wonder did a song for the soundtrack. So that

was interesting. But overall, I'm happy with

Mulan here. I think it's going to be a stepping

stone to see what other more classic Disney films

come in later. Steve, how about you? Where does

Mulan stack up against the rest of the 90s Disney

stuff? I think it actually stacks up pretty well.

It's one of the few that, towards the end of

the decade, that... still kind of at least had

that torch of of what was right so i mean i i

kind of agree with it being on here where it

is um plus you have the awesomeness of eddie

murphy as mushu that that's just you know that

that that's just one of the most memorable moments

of that film and i think he actually between

that and the his uh um Working with that cricket

and Mulan, I think that dynamic is kind of cool

in the film. The music's definitely memorable

in it. The animation's definitely good. The plot's

pretty good. So, I mean, it's still one of those

kind of more original ones before they started,

or even some of the previous ones before this

used kind of the cookie cutter. I would rather

watch this over Pocahontas or Tarzan or some

of the other ones that have been on the list

so far. Alright, so it's a consensus that this

is better than the ones we've listed so far.

It's how we start our countdown today with number

60, and let's see where we go from this one.

59. Alright, I feel like the first few... ones

we're talking about today are almost like a recap

of where we've been so far. We've talked about

the late 90s, we've talked about that chapter

of Disney so far, and with number 59, we're going

to talk about something else that we've spent

a decent amount of time talking about in our

previous episodes, and I've asked the question

a couple times as far as if we had eventually

seen the last of these, and apparently the answer

is still not. Number 59, we're going back to

the World of DC animated universe here. And that

is with Justice League Crisis on Two Earths from

2009. 523 points. It was on nine lists. The highest

it got ranked was number 11. I've asked the question

before as far as, you know, obviously we'll talk

about the other DC films that have made it. This

is now, I believe, the sixth DC film to make

the countdown. We started with World's Finest.

Then later came Dark Knight Returns Part 2. Return

of the Joker, Dark Knight Returns Part 1, Batman

Under the Red Hood, and now above all of those

so far, Justice League Crisis on Two Earths.

Is that where it should be in comparison to the

other DC films, Mike? I think that's more of

a personal preference as far as what you like

from those films. Like, I know for me, I liked

Crisis on Two Earths. But I like Under the Red

Hood better as far as the overall story. The

animation isn't as, it's not as jarring as I

thought. Like something like Superman, not Doomsday,

Batman Superman Apocalypse was. But with Justice

League Crisis on Two Earths being at 59, that's

interesting because now I'm wondering. If any

of the other Justice League animated films that

they've put out are going to come up. And I'm

also wondering where, if at all, hopefully not,

Batman Gotham Knight gets ranked because that

was... But Justice League Crisis on Two Earths,

it has a really interesting story. It's pretty

much like all your other parallel universe types

of things. I just, I found it really interesting

that... The way Superman realizes Lex Luthor

is from a parallel universe is the x -rays. I

mean, all Lex's organs are on the wrong side

of his body. They're on the opposite side, so

it's like looking into a mirror, which is really,

really interesting. Steve, you're a knowledgeable

guy in the DC universe here. How does it stack

up? Should it be higher than those ones that

we mentioned already? No, not at all. Well, I

mean, it's not just personal preference or any

of that kind of stuff, because the way I see

it is, yes, it was a good film. I won't deny

that. To me, for one, the voice acting was kind

of mediocre throughout the thing. They all sounded

too similar in a lot of the characters, so it

was kind of hard to differentiate sometimes.

Two, I mean, the animation's good, don't get

me wrong, but... I don't find this story to be

as compelling and as important as, uh, under

the red hood or return of the Joker or the dark

night returns saga, because those are more, um,

gut wrenching. They're more, uh, emotionally

tied. Uh, there's more character development

and character driven plot line. Whereas the crisis

on two earths, yes, it's kind of character driven.

But it's more of solving a problem. It's the

typical formula, whereas the Return of the Joker,

The Dark Knight Returns and Under the Red Hood

are. Yes, they're fixing a problem, but it also

has to deal with something that's more of an

emotional character development over anything

else. So I find those three films to be superior

to Crisis on Two Earths or World's Finest. Before

Dan goes, I want to give some background here,

and I'm doing this purely off of memory. First

of all, Steve is kind of right. The voices do

sound the same except for, at least for me too,

which is Superman played by Mark Harmon, who

most people will know him as Leroy Jethro Gibbs

from NCIS, and James Woods as Owlman. Those two

performances were damn good. As far as the background

stuff, Crisis on Two Earths was originally supposed

to be Justice League Worlds Collide. Dwayne McDuffie

before, actually it was a number of years before

he passed away, but he wrote this as a tie -in

to Justice League Season 2 and to Justice League

Unlimited. And there are still elements within

Crisis on Two Earths that are there that you

can kind of see what they were going to do if

that was going to be a Justice League animated

film for the cartoon series. But he basically

rewrote the entire thing and created this film.

And that was – it was something really interesting

that they did, that it started out as one thing

and then they turned it into something completely

different. Yes, I do agree with Steve. The Batman

films are more character -driven. With the Justice

League movies, any of them, because there's usually

seven or more members of the Justice League,

it's hard to be able to focus on one or two at

a time when you have so many characters all over

the place. What about you, Dan? What did you

feel about Crisis on Two Earths? It's definitely

a good movie. I don't think it is nearly as good

as DC's best. Like we mentioned under the red

hood, especially dark night returns. It's not

nearly to that level. Like to me, the good equation

would be like it, you know, crisis of tours is

similar to dark night returns as Avengers is

to the dark night. You know, it's just this big

event that is, you know, it's, it is popcorn

fun, but there's not much, a lot to it. It's

just a. A bunch of set pieces kind of put together

that you can enjoy. And there are some interesting

elements with Owlman and his relationship with

Batman and how they're give and take. I do think

Owlman is probably the most interesting character

in that entire cartoon. But I just don't think

it's on the same levels as other other Justice

League stuff. I honestly think like New Frontier.

I prefer that. I just like the fact that it's

different and like the classic animation style

and like something like Dark Knight Returns is.

such like more rich and deep and get that to

like the heart of what makes comics amazing more

so than crisis on tourists because it's a concept

we've kind of seen before in justice league unlimited

justice league or in comics a lot you know where

you have this team from another dimension and

they come in and you know the back and forth

between that it's it's a concept that's been

done it's done fine here it's done well but i

don't think there's anything above about it that

is all that different from what we've seen previously

so i do think it maybe belongs on the list this

list but not nearly at this uh high a level and

not higher than any of the batman movies we've

talked about i would probably put it ahead of

like world's finest just because of the animation

and i think the voice cast is just overall stronger

maybe maybe not regarding like some of the bigger

characters but i just like the the vast difference

between someone like james woods and some of

the other characters but uh i don't know it's

okay but i think it's much too high i'm just

interested to see the number of dc films that

we are coming across as we make our way through

the countdown and we'll see if there's any more

to come or if that is the end of it we'll see

where we go from here 58 so with number 58 we

are Going to see from a company that we haven't

seen yet, but not from a decade that we haven't

seen yet. Coming in at number 58, from the year

2011, the film is Rango. Rango appeared on 10

lists, so that is half of the submitted lists.

It was highly ranked by one individual all the

way up at number 11 in there at 100. 525 points,

Rotten Tomatoes gives it an 88. What do we think

about Rango? This is one I can't comment on a

lot. I have not seen it yet, although I wanted

to. It just kind of flew by me and I missed it.

So let's start with Dan. Dan, your thoughts on

Rango coming in at number 58? I really love Rango,

honestly. I did not expect to going into it at

all, but I was amazed, one, by the animation

and the amount of detail in that movie. It is

just even like with inside characters, there's

this great bar scene where Rango is in this bar

and there's just characters on the side, not

even main characters that you can easily forget.

And there's like one that's a porcupine and stuff

like that. And there's just so much detail in

their design. I'm like, I just found myself just

looking at the screen, just getting lost in the

animation at times. I just had a such a cool

look to it that wasn't anything really similar

out there. It's also. great at homaging classic

films. Some of the homages are pretty obvious.

Some aren't. I mean, you have touches of Road

Warrior. You have touches of The Good, The Bad,

and The Ugly. You have touches of Chinatown.

There's all these different little elements from

classic films that are placed into it. It's like

a movie lover's dream because it's done well.

And the voice cast, too, is handled greatly.

I'm not the biggest Johnny Depp fan. When he's

good, he's good. In this, I think he makes a

His voice acting is superb, along with the other

ones on the list, too. The motion and the action

is fantastic. Some of the action scenes, there's

an amazing chase down this canyon that is very

reminiscent of the chase in Road Warrior. And

it is so well done. There's so much going on.

And it's just, again, like... exciting a lot

of tension and two it's really cool story in

a really cool world that they build and the characters

are all unique there's so much to it I did not

like I was so unexpectedly in love with Rango

made my actual top 10 of that year overall it

was only animated film to do that that year but

it it was one too that I find myself going back

to again and again so I'm was it honestly for

got all about it when you talked about 2011 I'm

like I have no idea what that is but Yeah, Ringo.

I love that movie. I'm not going to lie. Top

60 worthy? Yeah, I place it higher, I believe.

I think in my top 50 or my top 40, so I am perfectly

okay where it is. Steve, thoughts on Ringo? I

know you've seen it. I like it. I did not put

it on my list, but that's more so, again, it's

a... Personal preference. I thought that the

story was good, but it was kind of slow to me.

I don't know why I found it that way. I don't

know if it was because of some of the portrayals

of how it was being laid out or anything, but

I found at points I was getting bored with it.

It does move like a classic. classic Western,

the pacing is not necessarily what you expect

for a children's cartoon. And that's one knock

I would say about Rango is I don't think kids

would like it at all. I just I don't think there's

anything appealing or any type of silly comedy

that's going to appeal to kids. But also, if

you're not a fan of that, like classic Western

pacing, I could see you getting bored, like Steve

mentioned. Yeah, I mean, it it's not that it's

bad or anything. I just I personally had a problem

kind of keeping interested throughout. uh just

because of that reason alone um and again like

i said it's it's not bad i just i i find that

it's at points uh i mean it's that and it's another

i mean it's johnny depp but you can't really

tell it's johnny depp so it's that's one thing

going for it um but yeah i mean it's that that's

pretty much all i gotta say about it i i didn't

personally list it on my my list but that's more

so because of personal preference and because

it's not one that, um, I find to be, uh, rewatchable

just because it's kind of calling back to that

old era, but that's just on my own, on my, on

me. So this is, this is one that, uh, like I

said, I haven't been, I meant to watch, you know,

the year it came out and never got around to

it. Um, but like Dan said, something that comes

up in the countdown like this, that makes me

remember it and makes me, uh, say, whoops, I

need to go, uh, Put this on a list of things

to watch very soon. Because I'm definitely interested

to see, especially based on what you guys are

saying, how I would like it or not. But interesting

to see that it comes in here at number 58. And

then from here, we're going to travel into some

rare air, some territory that we don't go to

very often with our next number. 57. That's right.

We're at number 57, and we're going to the 80s.

We haven't been there very often. Just barely

going in. It's 1989, and the film that we're

talking about in 1989, some people might be like,

I just want to linger for a little bit because

I know of some different films that came out

in 1989, so I think some people are panicking,

maybe not. There's a box cover of a film in 89

that was very controversial. But interesting

enough, there was two films that were actually

released to directly compete against each other

in 1989. It's safe to say that this one was the

loser out of that competition. Not saying that

in a bad way about the movie, but number 57 is

1989's All Dogs Go to Heaven from Don Bluth.

I'll start here. As far as Bluth goes, I think

it's kind of justified to talk a little bit about

his films in general. Sullivan Bluth Studios,

the one that kind of produced... some of the

ones that most people would recognize or associate

with Don Bluth. We had Secret of NIMH and then

American Tail, Land Before Time, and the next

one in that chain was All Dogs Go to Heaven.

And then for me and my history of watching movies,

that's kind of where I didn't realize he did

anything after that. It was almost like this

was the turning point for that, and it just kind

of went downhill from here. Stuff like Rock -A

-Doodle, A Troll in Central Park, The Pebble

and the Penguin. Thumbelina. None of those, to

me, stack up to Secret of NIMH, American Tail,

Land Before Time. So this is kind of in that

middle ground. It directly was competing against

The Little Mermaid in 1989. I believe it came

out either the same day or the same weekend,

same month, or something like that. And we've

talked about this before with animated films

in our NYR Weekly show. As far as how long an

animated film can stay in the top as far as box

office goes, if it doesn't have anything to compete

against. But talk about going against a juggernaut.

I remember All Dogs Go to Heaven. I remember

somewhat enjoying it. But to me, it didn't live

up to the stuff that I was familiar with as far

as that studio goes. It didn't live up to what

was going on at Disney at the time. So it kind

of falls flat a little bit with me. I'm not surprised

to see it in our countdown. Coming in at number

57 is fine. It was on 15 lists. Which I don't

know if we have seen anything that has been on

that many lists. I think 14 for The Simpsons

was the highest we've gotten. So 15 is the most

lists so far that we've seen a film show up on.

So it was a wide consensus that it should show

up on a lot of people's top 100. Obviously, it

wasn't ranked. super high by a lot of people.

It did get ranked all the way up to number 12

by one person. Rotten Tomatoes score is not good,

50. Dan, what's your thoughts on All Dogs Go

to Heaven in comparison to the other Bluth films?

And kind of talking about that era, 1989 time

period. Well, I think this is probably the first

Bluth film I really remember watching because,

I mean, The Secret of NIMH and, well, Land Before

Time, I should say, probably is the one that

stands out above them all for me. When I was

a kid, I did really like All Dogs Go to Heaven.

There's something about it, some of the characters,

the main dog. I don't remember any of the names

because it's been a while, but I just remember

finding the main dog kind of charming, the idea

behind it. And when you think about it, too,

it's like it does kind of deal with some concepts

that are pretty deep for a kid's movie. You know,

the idea of, you know, even though it's within

the title, the idea of death, especially with.

when it comes to like pets, because when you

think about it, pets are often a tool we use

to teach kids about death and how to kind of

come to grips with it and things of that nature.

So placing it within a cartoon concept, I think

as a kid of that age, I think it worked for me.

I, if I went back and watched it as adult, maybe

I wouldn't think so highly of it, but I do think

it's a good lead into some of that stuff. And

I do remember liking the story. I don't remember

like any of the songs or anything like that,

if there were any songs, but. I do too remember

it being kind of a very sad movie, obviously,

just by the title of it. It's not the most uplifting.

I guess you can say All Dogs Go to Heaven is

somewhat uplifting. It's better than Some Dogs

Go to Heaven or A Couple Dogs Go to Heaven or

All Puppies Go to Hell. That might be a different

type of movie. But I did like it. Is it nearly

as good as Blue's Best Stuff? No, I don't think

so. But it's, you know, it's a decent film. It's

well told. And I do applaud people when they

go to, you know, attempt a concept that maybe

isn't it's a little bit rough around the edges.

And I do appreciate that. So I recently rewatched

this and it's still as depressing as I remember

it being as a kid. All dogs go to heaven. I think

I liked the plot better when I saw Robert Downey

Jr. do it in Chances Are. It's basically a dog

gets killed, goes to heaven, comes back and exacts

his revenge, where the difference is in Chances

Are, Downey Jr. is trying to get his life back.

Yes, Dan, there was a soundtrack. Burt Reynolds

actually did sing a couple of those. Actually,

there's a duet between Reynolds and Dom DeLuise,

You Can't Keep a Good Dog Down. But yeah, I don't

care for this movie at all. I would never show

this to my child. It's too depressing. I mean,

I think Dan has some points there with... He

does. I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just saying

that for me, this film is just way too depressing.

I'm just still picturing somebody from Comedy

Central or South Park or some other place hearing

all the different titles that Dan just rattled

off a little bit ago and coming up with some

type of new... spoof film yeah one dog goes to

heaven or something like that um or a horror

film with all puppies go to hell so many options

there um i mean i think there's some value in

in the kind of the lessons that you can piggyback

this with as a kid's watching it for me at the

time it just didn't resonate to me as a child

um steve what was your reaction all dogs go to

heaven I mean, I kind of agree with what everybody's

already said of it. I mean, it doesn't really

resonate with me now and it didn't back then

either. I mean, it's kind of another one of those

kind of animal films, but I don't think it's

as memorable as some other ones that have already

made the countdown. But like I said, interesting

that I don't want it to seem like we're completely

poo -pooing on this film because it did make

15 of the 20 lists. So it was a general consensus

that this does deserve to be within a top 100.

Obviously people had it at different spots. It's

coming in close to the middle at number 57. So

we'll have to see on the website and whatnot

people's reactions to All Dogs Go to Heaven.

And if there's a general love of the film or

what do people think? And do they think we got

it right here at number 57? And will we get it

right with our next selection? I mean, no one's

tired of the 90s, are they? Nah. Why should we

be? Let's just go right back from 1989, get out

of the 80s again, go about... A little less than

10 years later to 1997. 1997 for number 56 in

our top 100. Interesting selection here. I did

not actually expect us to make our top 100, and

it's ranked pretty darn high. Number 56 is the

film Anastasia from Blue Sky and Fox. On ninth

list, it was all the way up to number eight on

one person's list. Actually, Rotten Tomatoes

gives it a fairly nice score of 86. This one,

It's interesting. Anastasia, it was that time

when Fox Animation Studios, just a very brief

time where they put out a few films. They put

out Anastasia, Bartok, The Magnificent, and Titan

AE. And this was the first one with that segment

of, I guess, Fox Animation Studios, you could

call it. I think I thought this was a Disney

film at first when I was a kid. And when I just

saw the cover for it and saw the promotional

or the marketing stuff for it, I guess I just

somehow associated it with Disney, even though

it wasn't a Disney film. Directed by Don Bluth,

so I guess there's connections between our last

two on the countdown here. I don't know, interesting.

Like I said, I'm somewhat surprised that it made

the list, somewhat even more surprised that it's

all the way up at number 56. Mike, have you seen

Anastasia? Oh, yeah. Okay, well, you can go first.

Meg Ryan and John Cusack is starring in it. Well,

Kelsey Grammer, Christopher Lloyd, Bernadette

Peters, Angela Lansbury. I mean, Hank Azaria,

there is a cast right there. No, it's a star

-studded cast. It really, really is. It's kind

of hard for me to picture and hear Hank Azaria

as Bartok. and also hear him as a poo from the

Simpsons. But yeah, I mean... Kirsten Dunst,

too, by the way. Yeah, Kirsten Dunst was the

younger version, and Meg Ryan was the older version

of Anastasia. Actually, the funny thing is about

this, I actually first saw this, I think, in

high school, in history class. My history teacher

was very eccentric. He used this to inform us

of... Of the Russian czars and all that stuff

after it came out on VHS. You went to public

school? Yeah. Hopefully he picked out all the

inaccuracies of it because that would be important.

Well, I'm not saying that it – yeah, that was

kind of the point. He was teaching us what was

inaccurate about it compared to the actual events

that actually happened. but like that's the first

time I remember seeing it. And I really enjoy

it for what it is. How does it rank against the

other late nineties Disney stuff that we've been

talking about? I know it's not Disney, but how

does it, I mean, it was coming in competition

with that era of Disney. Is it better than all

that Disney stuff? Is it in the same vein? Is

it worse? I would say it's kind of in the same

vein. I mean, really you could. This is technically

a Russian version of Cinderella, is really what

this is. But, I mean, I like it. I still enjoy

it. I haven't seen it recently, but I do remember

really, really enjoying the film. As far as how

it ranks up with all the other ones, I don't

know. That honestly is a personal preference.

It's going to have to rely on the individual.

Steve, have you seen this one? Yeah, it's been

a while since I've seen it, but I don't recall

even really caring for it, though. I, too, thought

it was a Disney film. I will be honest about

that. I it looked like something Disney would

have produced around that time. So I say kudos

to that for trying to be a Disney knockoff. But,

I mean, besides the cast that it has on there,

I don't know. I just didn't really care for it

all that much. I don't know if it goes back to

my other previous kind of thoughts on things

taking place elsewhere. Even though I know the

film was made here, it is one of those kind of

preconditions when I watch something. I just

kind of don't care. It was actually Don Bluth's

highest grossing film up to that point. It had

a couple Academy Award nominations. Stuff I didn't

know about that. Dan, you've been silent so far

about Anastasia. What are your thoughts? I'm

super shocked it's up this high, honestly. By

this point, I just figured it would not be on

the list at all. I was never a huge fan of Anastasia.

Part of it is because... Could be because when

I came out, you know, I was 12, 13 years old.

And, you know, the idea of watching a cartoon

about a princess may have been, you know, something

too kiddy for me at the time. But part of it,

too, is I always felt it was a pale comparison

to the Disney stuff. It always felt, you know,

like the generic version of a Disney movie. If

you go to the toy shelves and there's the G .I.

Joe and the generic G .I. Joe soldiers, they're

just missing arms and legs and just not exactly

the same thing. This is what it reminded me of.

It just lacked the personality and it was kind

of dry, I always felt. It just didn't have that

special aspect of a Disney movie. Maybe it was

just because it had a different look to it, but

I don't know. It was never one that I had a fond

affection for. But to be fair, I have not watched

it within the last five years or so. So maybe

as an adult, removed from the eyes of a teenager,

I could see that it's much better than I'm giving

it credit for. But from what I can remember,

I just remember finding it kind of boring and

not very interesting. I'm definitely interested

to see all our fans or listeners, et cetera,

reaction to the last two films and to see what

they think about. All Dogs Go to Heaven and Anastasia

and how they think they rank and are we crazy

putting them in the 50s or not. You know, there's

not very many spots left on this side of 50.

We're only five more films to go before we hit

that halfway point, so we'll see what these last

five films have in store for us. Well, like I

said in the intro, we have not been to this decade

hardly at all so far, but number 55 is going

to take us There, one more time. We're going

all the way back to 1973. And the movie is from

Hanna -Barbera and Paramount Pictures. And that

film is none other than the animated version,

Charlotte's Web. It was on 12 lists out of the

20. Got it highly ranked by one individual all

the way up to number 8. 75 on Rotten Tomatoes.

Charlotte's Web is an interesting one. Interested

to see what you guys think about this one. Like

I said, we haven't been to the 70s very often.

I ended with you last time. Let's start with

you this time, Dan. What's your opinions on the

animated version of Charlotte's Web making the

countdown? Are you surprised, like you were with

Anastasia, that we're talking about it in our

top 100? Oh, not at all. I felt like Charlotte's

Web, the cartoon, it's like a rites of passage

as a kid. I'm like Charlotte's Web and like James

was a giant feature, two movies that are two

books I loved as a kid. And I actually felt the

books did them just or the movies did them justice.

I'm going to have them flip flop there. I think,

you know, part of it was that I think it, you

know, it was a short film. I mean, I think the

running time in that it's like 65, 75 minutes.

It's not very long, but it gets the essence of

that story. And it's such like a sweet. small

story of just, you know, a pig fighting, becoming

a friend with a spider. And, you know, it's just,

I don't know. It was always something about that

story that is just heartwarming. I don't know,

maybe because it's pigs. I don't know. And I

hate spiders, but Charlotte's Web makes me like

spiders. So that's impressive. But yeah, like

as a kid, it's a movie I adore. Like I said,

I think it's one that is pretty timeless. Though

it was made in 1973, I do feel like it holds

up really well, and you could show it to kids

today, and it will not feel dated. There's something

timeless about it, so I definitely would think

it deserves a spot. I can't agree with you more

about it. It just seemed like a right of passage.

It's one of those films that just, in school...

We watched. It was like, you know, you watched

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. You watched

Charlotte's Web. You know, there was just a few

of those things that it seemed like no matter

where you were, you watched these films. Just

for a quick second, some of the voice cast, some

pretty famous people. You have Don Messick in

there. You have John Stevenson in there. Paul

Lind and Henry Gibson, which some people might

not. Recognize those names. But Henry Gibson

has just an iconic voice. Just a real classic

voice actor. And he was the voice of Wilbur in

this. So definitely some coolness there. And

Paul Lind, who was the voice of Mildew Wolfe,

or the Hooded Claw from Perils of Penelope Pitstop,

he was Templeton. So you just have some really

classic voice acting being included in this.

Like you said, it's not a very long film, and

I don't like spiders either, but I really enjoy

this film. I think it's just a complete classic

film. Mike, what do you think about this? I've

always liked Charlotte's Web. Like you guys said,

this is another one of those ones where, ooh,

we have a free, you know, there are some times

in school where you have free periods. where

they schedule rewards for a certain class or

whatever else. And this was always one of the

ones that they showed in school to us, along

with stuff like you guys already mentioned, Willy

Wonka and all that. And another one I remember

watching almost back -to -back with this one

was Trumpet of the Swan. But this one, it has

great characters. It has amazing voice actors.

The animation is interesting. I mean, there's

just not enough good things you can say about

it. Steve, Charlotte's Web, 1973. I'm actually

in the same agreement as you guys, so I have

nothing more to add. All right, so a rare appearance

of a 1970s film. I think it's time to go back

to familiar territory after that, though. I mean,

honestly, are there any more films that came

out in the late 90s that we have not talked about?

We've got to run out of films eventually, especially

films done by Disney in the late 90s. There's

only one left, I think, that we could possibly

be talking about. It comes in here at number

54, and we briefly mentioned it when we were

talking about Mulan earlier. That is 1997's Hercules.

On nine lists, it got ranked as high as number

seven. 534 points, I only bring that up because

the last three films have only been separated

by one point. Anastasia had 532, Charlotte's

Web 533, and now Hercules 534. I guess just in

comparison to Mulan, since it's the other one

we talked about in this particular episode, is

it right ranking Hercules higher than Mulan,

or do they belong in the same episode like they

have been appearing right here? Should we be

done now with this chapter of the countdown,

Dan? I kind of hope so. I can't think of anything

else Disney -related unless it's like Brother

Bear and I hope to God that's not any higher

than this. Because that's just a bad movie. Hercules

compared to Mulan, they're very different. I

mean, they're going for very different things.

Hercules is more of a comedy. It's more of a...

farcical type of approach while Milan's far more

serious yes it has comedic aspects but it's it's

more of an epic tale um you know I guess you

can say that about Hercules too but I remember

like Hercules for some reason in the late 90s

was huge with like the tv show and it was just

big at the time I don't know if this came out

before during or after but I remember finding

Hercules very funny um I had you know George

Costanza, you know, I can't think of his real

name. James Woods as Hades. I thought he was

very funny. He had a very great dry delivery.

And there are funny moments here and there. Do

I think it's believed it's as I would probably

put Milan higher because it's just more of an

epic tale and it's overall a better movie. But

I'm hoping that we can finally take a step away

from the 90s Disney. and wait for a little bit.

Cause there are a few more movies that we should

talk about, but they should be, you know, not

for a few episodes. Yeah. Hercules, the film

came before the animated series. They did the

animated series after the film was released.

Talking about the TV show, the Kevin Sorbo is

Hercules. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was thinking of the

animated show. Um, but Hercules, no matter whether,

you know, You're listening to a nutty professor

or watching Kevin Serbo or watching this film

has always been around in media. This movie is

not one. This is one of those Disney ones where

I'm kind of on the same page as you, Kev. I was

just like, okay, sure. I mean, it's great that

Danny DeVito does a voice, and it's great that

James Woods does a voice, and I actually. Where

I really got to enjoy the Hercules characters

was in the video game Kingdom Hearts. But the

film, it's okay. It's nothing that we haven't

seen before. Steve, you're a big Disney fan.

How does this one rank amongst Disney of this

era? I find this film to be the most enjoyable

out of all of them to me. So far, I remember

watching this back in school. latin class and

so the hercules was a part of the big mythos

of uh ancient greek roman mythology all that

kind of stuff so um i i rather enjoy the film

i know it's the typical you know bringing you

know the character up from nothing and into a

hero kind of thing i mean it happens with any

kind of superhero so um But I found the music

to be enjoyable. I found the voice acting, the

character portrayals, everything in the film,

the animation. I found a lot of it to be rather

interesting how they did everything. So I find

that to be one of the few Disney films next to

Aladdin or a few other ones that haven't shown

up yet. I mean, I kind of love Pixar in there,

too, but I find it to be enjoyable to the point

I can watch it over and over and it doesn't bother

me. All right, so possibly the best of the 90s

era, or maybe not. Well, I guess, again, we're

looking for feedback, something we'll talk about

in the wrap -up show with how we ranked all these

Disney films, assuming that there's not one that's

going to sneak in there. But, hey, maybe Brother

Bear comes back to bite us. Let's hope not. Before

we move on, I just want to... Bring this up because

Dan asked. The TV series ran from 95 to 99. Another

interesting note about Hercules, the movie, and

the voice of Hercules in the film, Tate Donovan,

as well as Kevin Sorbo, they actually crossed

paths about 10 years later in the OC show on

Fox. Sorbo was Frank Atwood and Tate Donovan

was the star as one of the OC wives, husbands,

etc. So that's interesting. But yeah, this happened

right in the middle of the Hercules live action

show. Well, Dan mentioned also that, well, and

we all kind of mentioned that maybe this was

the end of the Disney chapter, maybe the end

of the late 90s films chapter. Well, if that

is the case. What does that leave the door open

for? It has been so far 32 spots on our countdown

without an anime film. It has been 47, all 47

spots without a film predating 1970. It's also

been 47 spots so far without a Pixar film. So

maybe the closing of the Disney chapter opens

up something for that. We'll have to see. Well,

all those numbers you just heard me rattle off,

I guess I'll have to add one to all of them because

we're not going to break any of those streaks

at this point quite yet. Number 53, we're going

to go to the year 2009. Interesting to see what

people's reaction to for this one. I'm assuming

positive from a couple people at least. Number

53 from 2009, the movie is Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Another Blue Sky Aardman picture, which we've

had a few of those with mixed reactions. It was

on nine people's list. It was all the way up

to number three on one person's list. Rotten

Tomato, excellent score, 93. Dan, I know we've

usually gotten the most from you on the Aardman

films. How do you feel Fantastic Mr. Fox coming

in at number 53 and in comparison to the other

films? I think this should be much, much higher.

Honestly, I would say top 25, top 30 at the least.

Being directed by Wes Anderson, it has the sensibilities.

Similar to, it takes a Roald Dahl film, a book,

and opens it up and adds in some extra layers.

The animation is fantastic. There's so much personality.

There's so much... of the Wes Anderson Wes Anderson

-ness to it that it just works well like you

know Wes Anderson always has this kind of play

you know play set type of director directorial

style and it's similar and it works in this you

know stop motion animation world his movies on

the way almost feel like live action stop motion

animation just in how kind of cartoony not cartoony

but just in how sporadic his characters act at

times. But I love Fantastic Mr. Fox. I think

it's really clever. The dialogue is sharp. The

voice cast is just outstanding. George Clooney

as Mr. Fox, Bill Murray, the normal players that

you get in a Wes Anderson film, they all work

really well. Again, similar to Rango, I could

see it not working for kids because... A lot

of the jokes aren't necessarily aimed at kids,

but I think that's OK. And two, I just I don't

know. To me, it just I was blown away by Fantastic

Mr. Fox again, similar to Rango. One, I didn't

put much stock into, but when I watched it, I

just was immersed into the world that he created.

And I just loved every moment of it. What about

in comparison to the other ones we've seen? We've

seen Wallace and Gromit, Curse of the Were -Rabbit.

We've seen Chicken Run. A couple of people have

mentioned when we were talking about those, Flushed

Away. How does it compare to those? I think it's

better than all of them because what you're doing

is you're combining Armin's style with stop -motion

animation with Wes Anderson's directorial style

and some of the top -notch actors. And I think

that combination, that amalgamation... yields

awesome results. So I would put it above all

of those, probably chicken around a close second.

And I do love Wallace and Gromit, but I think

their shorts are probably better than their feature

length films. But I would put it, is this ranking

as higher than all those? I think it's probably

correct because I don't think there's any Ardman

films that are going to rank any higher from

what I can think of. But I've been wrong before.

But I do agree that it is superior to those.

Steve, you haven't been a big fan of the other

Aardman films that we've talked about during

the countdown. Does that continue with Fantastic

Mr. Fox? Yeah, I attempted to watch it. Again,

it comes down to the... I can't stand the...

I mean, the voicing was American, yes, but for

one, that didn't manage to pull me in. The animation,

again, throws me. Couldn't get into it, so it's

not on my list. All right. Well, Fantastic Fox,

Mr. Fox at number 53, and we are running out

of spots on this side of 50. There's only two

more spots, and then we will be at our top 50

mark. So let's see who takes those two spots.

52. It is time for one of the streaks we before

mentioned to end finally here at number 52. One

of the streaks is coming to an end, coming in

at number 52. The film is from 1996. Wait, 1996?

How is that ending any streaks? Because that's

not from Disney. The film is Ghost in the Shell.

It was on nine people's lists, got ranked all

the way up to number nine, got a Rotten Tomatoes

score of 94, and the anime curse has been lifted.

Dan, Ghost in the Shell, number 52. I do think

this is one that may... You may see some reckoning

for this because it's probably a lot lower than

it should be. Ghost in the Shell is an excellent

film. It's so influential in the anime world.

A lot of the ideas it goes after, I mean, you

could link even cinematic films like The Matrix

or other movies really took a lot from Ghost

in the Shell. The action is fantastic. The animation

is second to none at this time. I know some people,

I think, even link the sequel better. Again,

I'm not an aficionado when it comes to anime

by any means, but I know I have watched a good

deal of them, and I do think Ghost in the Shell

obviously is one of the best. When you look at

Ghost in the Shell compared to other action animation

coming out, even within the United States, you

just realize how... behind we were in certain

aspects of it. They were just going after concepts

that were so much more adult and so much more

developed than what we were going after. But

it's been a little bit since I've seen it, but

I just remember just the amount of blood shocking

me and just the combination of using a lot of

technology and how that advanced the animation.

I would say glad to see another anime movie,

but I do think, you know, we may get some complaints

that it's not high enough. As you can see, just

looking at the amount of people that did rank

it, it seemed to rank it pretty high. So, again,

part of that maybe some people haven't had the

opportunity to see it. Yeah, I mean, if you just

took the people that had it on its list, it was

closer to, you know, in the top 20 range. So

you don't think people are going to give us a

pass or forgive us just because at least for

the first time in almost 34 films we're talking

about anime? Are you kidding me? We better run

a duck for cover. No, I'm telling you. Every

anime fan I know is going to jump on this website

and just say you guys are nuts for ranking. I

understand that. I do want to put this out there,

though, before you continue. I do want to put

it out there because I think what we've noticed

overall is doing these lists is, Okay, you have

people who are just general fans of everything

and who are well -rounded, like Dan, who are

exposed to a lot of different things. You have

some people that are turned off to certain things.

But then you have the anime fan, and I'm not

trying to throw them under the bus or anything.

But if you are a diehard anime fan, the thing

is to automatically, whatever is your favorite

anime or whatever is in your top five or whatever.

For the people I've come across, in their mind,

then that should transfer as also the top five

films just in general. Because they're so diehard

into anime that whatever ranks high with them

should be ranked high overall. I'm not saying

that's right or wrong, but that's what we've

seen. So anytime we rank anything that's somebody's

favorite anime and we don't put it in our top

three, four, five, we do catch hell. So yes,

I fully expect to see that. Pretty sure, because

it's not in at least the top 20, we're going

to catch a lot of hell for Ghost in the Shell

being at this low. A lot higher than the last

anime film was. That's true, but still. I mean,

one thing to consider is like... Kevin mentioned

the people that like I rank this. I don't know

the exact spot, but I ranked it, you know, within

I'm pretty sure within the top 25 and people

that did rank it or, you know, within that all

seem to rank it within that range within the

top 20, which shows you that. Yeah. You have

to also consider that we have, you know, 20 to

30 people doing this list. And some of those

films like Yes, Ghost in the Shell is influential

without a doubt. But some of the people who have

not had the opportunity to see it, you know,

not everyone is a fan of that style. um, by any

means. That's why I think we're seeing more of

those, you know, general, you know, those movies

that have more of a broad appeal on this list.

But the fact that a made the list is really great.

And two, if it's too low, yes, I, we can admit

that, but I'm, I'm just happy that we're not

talking about Disney. Well, my point, my more

so my point is that think about what, what this

just backed up against. with Fantastic Mr. Fox.

A lot of people that enjoy the animation style

of Fantastic Mr. Fox, you admitted yourself that

you would put that ahead of all that other type

of animation. The difference is, people in that

circle, or people that are diehard fans of something

like Fantastic Mr. Fox, don't seem to be as vocal

about, you know, they would put that as the top

part of that animation. But they don't give it,

you know what I mean? They're not going to be

as vocal of, oh, we don't have it in our top

five. Whereas diehard anime fans are going to

be up in arms with Ghost in the Shell appearing,

even though it's literally back to back with

another unique animation style type thing that

are both coming in 53, 52. So, yeah, I think

we'll get more comments about Ghost in the Shell

than Fantastic Mr. Fox. Maybe I'll be wrong.

Yeah, I could see that because anime, it's just,

it is. I think part of it is that they feel like

animation or anime in general is not well respected.

You know, overall, just, you know, if you look

at something like the Oscars, very rarely are

you seeing an animated anime film nominated.

And I think part of that is what they're they're

ready to pounce to begin with. So, you know,

when you give them something to pounce on, they're

just, you know, ready, willing and able. And,

you know, we're providing plenty of opportunity.

But like we mentioned. We'll recognize when something

should be higher and when it should be, but also

consider the fact that, A, it made a list and

it's deserving. The only thing that you can do

to incur more wrath in the world of fandoms is

to say something bad about My Little Pony. Anyway,

Steve, any thoughts on Ghost in the Shell coming

in at number 52? I definitely will recognize...

what it is and, and the fact that it's important

and it's important to anime fans. I myself have

not seen it. Um, therefore I did not, uh, vote

on it, but I, I do know of the film and, and

all of the, the mass appeal for it from diehard

anime fans. Uh, it's actually one that I've been

meaning to get to. I just haven't been, had the

time or the access. So, um, It's not that I'm

saying anything bad against it, but I definitely

can see it warranted being on a top 100 list.

Yeah, I definitely think it deserves a spot in

the top 100. I can't say an accurate number of

where I think it should fit, but I'm glad that

it's made the countdown. So let's keep the discussion

continuing. Good Lord, I'm going to have to edit

that edit point. Let's keep the discussion moving

here with our last spot before we get to the

top 50. 51. Alright, that's right. We're ready

for number 51. The only, the last film not to

make our top 50 list is from 1988. Going back

to the 80s. And also, going back to another anime

film. The film is My Neighbor Totoro. I probably

said that wrong. Uh, Dan. I think you were expecting

to see this at some point. You are the person

I'm leaning on here. Start us off with this film

here. It was on eight people's lists. It's got

all the way up to number seven as far as as high

as it was ranked. Rotten Tomatoes score of 92,

and it was generally ranked within the 30 to

25 range. Well, we just doubled down in anime,

so that's impressive. My Name or Tutorial is

excellent. I mean, it's Matsuki and excellence

kind of are synonymous with one another. Again,

not one of my personal favorites, but it is one

of the best family films I think I've ever seen.

Matsuki creates so many, with his writers and

his animators, creates so many interesting characters

in a world that is just so unique and interesting

to play in. And it really gets into heat within

My Neighbor Totoro, the friendship and all these

different themes that are... I think appealing

to those that are younger as well as adults,

because when you see with a lot of cartoons is

that, you know, maybe boys will like it or girls

will like it or young kids or adults, like I

talked about with Fantastic Mr. Fox is in Rango.

I don't see kids enjoying those at all. My Neighbor

Totoro is something you could watch. It's that

cliche of something you can watch with an entire

family and they're all going to enjoy it. And

you can say that with most Matsuki films, but

I think Totoro is. I'm probably saying it wrong

too. I barely can pronounce English correctly,

let alone something like that. But it's something

that you can literally watch with the entire

family and everyone from your youngest to your

teenage son. We get something out of it. There's

a lot of silly comedy, some great tension. I

love the cat bus type of design. It's kind of

psychedelic in some of the characters. But yeah,

a great movie. Again, similar to Ghost in the

Shell, probably should be a little bit higher.

Glad to see more Matsuki. And it's not my favorite.

My favorite has not been on the list yet. And

also, one I ranked the highest hasn't been on

the list yet, so I'm hoping they're still there.

But if you have not seen it, I think it's a good

starter film for Matsuki because it's not as,

say, as hard to get into as something like Spirited

Away, which is far more, maybe a little bit more

out there than My Neighbor Totoro, which is a

rather simple story, but it's told well. Steve,

any thoughts? I've heard of it, but never cared

to actually watch it. All right, and we know

Mike has not seen it, so we will just pass right

along that. So that is the top 50, or the top

half of the 50 here. Interesting to see a couple

things. We've had, like you said, double down

on the anime here. We've had two animes in a

row, so that curse has apparently been lifted.

But we have gone through our first half. The

first set of 50 with no films before 1970, no

film from Pixar. We think we may have closed

a chapter on Disney in the late 90s, but I guess

we'll have to see. From here on out, remember,

every film that we list will have appeared at

least on half of the submitted list. At least

10 people voted on all the films you will hear

from this point forward. And it's time to get

serious. It's time to get into our top 50. I

mean, some may say it's a conspiracy for me just

not to let Mike talk at all the rest of the podcast.

But moving into our top 50 here, at number 50,

we didn't just double down, we tripled down,

I guess, on anime. 2005's film, Howl's Moving

Castle. It was on 11 people's list. It was ranked

11 as the highest it got, 86 Rotten Tomatoes

scored. Most people had this actually a little

bit differently. It was just that it was on more

people's list. So more people had it closer to

where we're ranking it here at number 50. And

as I have with the last two, we'll start with

Dan as far as Howl's Moving Castle and in comparison

going Ghost in the Shell. then My Neighbor Totoro,

and then Howl's Moving Castle. This one actually,

Ghost in the Shell and My Neighbor Totoro were

only a couple points away. This was a good 13

points ahead of those other two. So we kind of

jumped a little bit into the 569 -point range.

Dan, what are your thoughts on those three in

consecutive order? I would say very different.

I mean, very different in different styles. I

would say of all those three, Ghost in the Shell

and Totoro are very similar. Very neck and neck.

But I like Howl's Moving Castle. I think it is

lesser Matsuki. I don't think it is as his top

echelon as other ideas. I think it gets at similar

themes and the framework is similar to films

he's done better. The story basically is that

of this character Howl, and he has this moving

castle, obviously. But it's an interesting idea.

He can open the door into different parts of

the world. Some mystical elements. I remember,

too, one of the weirdest things about it in the

American version is there's like a talking fire

and the person voicing the talking fire is Billy

Crystal. It's just odd. And Christian Christian

Bale is in the voice cast as well in the American

voice cast, obviously. So it is, you know, you

do you have that, which is, I think, a good reason

why sometimes. An American version. can be off

-putting when you have like Billy Crystal on

it. It just doesn't feel right. Um, it just is

his, it, I don't know. I don't know. He, his

voice just didn't work for the, for what's going

on, but I do like it. I do. The animation is

pretty spot on the use of the castle and it's,

it's very CGI. Um, and I usually don't like when

they use like computer graphics within, you know,

standard animation, but it's one of the few times

when it's done well. Um, but yeah, like I said,

it's, Good Makizuki, it's not great. I would

probably put this a lot lower. I would rank it

higher than Kikiki's Delivery Service, but it's

nowhere near the level as my neighbor or Ghost

in the Shell. So is it more that just it's more,

maybe not, like I said, it wasn't ranked as high

on average as those other two, but it was ranked

by more people. And maybe because it's more recent,

I think, you know, Matsuki after Spirited Away

had a huge influx in the United States. So maybe

some people haven't had the opportunity to see

something like Totoro or Ghost in the Shell.

So I think that's probably what you're seeing

is just that, in fact, that, you know, you have

the cast that's doing it, that's doing the voices

or more stars of today that we're aware of. So

I think that's part of it, too. All right, well,

I just want to check in on Mike, make sure he's

still alive. Mike, are you enjoying the countdown

at this point? It's all right. See, this is why

I haven't, you know, you mentioned in the intro

to this podcast, you mentioned the poll on the

website. This is exactly why I haven't voted

yet. I don't know what that means exactly. Steve,

any thoughts on the triple shot of anime here?

Again, don't care. I am glad to see at least

some anime represented after going almost 30

plus spots without it. Like I said, the curse

has been lifted off of the anime genre. Let's

see if we can lift it off of something else here

as we move into our next spot. Oh, the foreshadowing.

Number 49. We've broken the anime curse in a

big way by going three animes in a row. And now

that we are moving away from anime, it's time

to break another streak. For the first time in

the countdown, number 49 gives us the first film

to predate 1970. It is 1963 film from Disney.

Interesting here, I did not know where this would

fall, if it would fall at all in our top 100,

but number 49 gives us Sword in the Stone. It

was on 11 people's lists. Got all the way up

to number 5 on some people. Rotten Tomatoes,

71. Most people rank this between 47 up to about

70. give or take. Not one of my particular favorite

Disney films. I would not have been surprised

to see it not make our top 100 list. The fact

that it beat some of the other Disney films for

me, I don't know how I feel about it, but I know

a lot of people love it. It's the first film

to predate 1970. Mike, you haven't talked in

a while about an actual film. Sword in the Stone

coming in at number 49 in our top 50. I agree

with it. I think this is a really, really good

– like this is like someone you want to – this

is something you want to show your kids to teach

them about the Arthurian legend regardless of

if it's a more fantasy -based version of the

Arthurian legend. It does get a lot of things

right. It does get a few things wrong. Obviously,

there was no talking owl. But who knows? Merlin

was a magician. The animation is great. The songs

are catchy as hell. The story is great. The comedy

between Merlin and Mim is awesome. Just everything

about the movie. It's one of my favorite all

-time Disney movies. For me, it's just not what

I think about when I think of Disney. I mean,

I know it's Disney, and I never have thought

it was something else. It just doesn't have that

classic Disney feel. It doesn't have any of the

voices that we're used to, really. Outside of,

you know, like the Earl Ravenscraft, I guess,

and James McDonald in a way, but they're not

necessarily major players. It just doesn't feel

Disney to me like some of those other ones do.

Madame Mim saves it a little bit for me. Steve,

what's your thoughts on Sword of the Stone? Mike's

obviously a big endorser of it being in our top

50. How do you feel? I actually really like that

film. That's actually one of the very few early

Disney films that I can actually stand to watch.

I like the whole Merlin thing. I like all the

magic and flux in the film. I definitely see

it being one of the films, even especially from

that era, that deserves to be in the top 100.

Dan, thoughts on Sword and Stone coming in our

top 50? Surprise is up this high. For some reason,

Sword in the Stone, I just remember that as a

kid, always being on on Saturday afternoons.

And when I would watch it, it always would be

that scene between Merlin and the one witch when

they were changing into different elements and

different animals and everything back and forth

until he finally turned into a German or something

like that. I don't know. I feel like I've watched

that scene time and time again. But besides that,

it's fine. I'm more on your side, Kevin, where

I think it's... you know, a decent Disney movie.

It's not nowhere near their bottom, not nowhere

near like their, their worst, but it's not necessarily

one that I would, you know, I wouldn't rank it

higher than Milan or, you know, higher, probably

even higher than like Hercules. I think it's,

it's okay. It's not, it's one that I don't know.

Like it's like certain scenes stick to, stick

out to me, but this, I think it's more so because

I've watched it so many times, not more so because

of their overall quality. I'm just a little surprised.

I don't know. I guess I would rank heuristic

hats higher than that, but that's just my personal

preference. But I can understand the love for

it. I'm happy to see something that's prior to

1970 show up. You know, we talked about possibly

opening up a can of worms back at number 52 when

we talked about Ghost in the Shell. I think we're

about to open up another can of worms with our

next entry. All right, it's time for number 48

in our countdown. I'm sure there will be plenty

of conversation here. It is also the first film

to break the 600 -point mark. Remember, out of

2 ,000, we have now gone past 600. We're at 627,

actually, so it's a good 40 -point jump from

Sword in the Stone. It was on 10 people's lists

as high... We ranked as number three. It is the

1986 film, Transformers the Movie. Nobody can

do that shit for this. We have rectified our

error in the animated series list, maybe. Or

does ranking this in our top 50 not save us?

I don't know. Obviously Hasbro, Marvel, Sunbow,

whoever you want to give full credit to that.

Mike, you had it ranked higher than anybody else.

I'm not going to even say it. I mean, I said

it before. You had it ranked number three all

the time. Number three. Yeah, that's right. I

take ownership of that. So you did not learn

from ranking. I don't care. Okay. Explain your

math again. No, I'm just saying we talked about

ranking the series number three. If you look

at it, if you look at the film, without looking

at the film's flaws, if you look at what the

animation is, if you don't. pick it apart and

see, Oh, even though Ironhide died in this scene,

he's floating across the battlefield in this

scene. If you don't look at it in that way and

you just look at it as an animation Marvel, which

it is because it was the animation while it was

close to what the show was doing. It was so much

better because this is the first Transformers

film that was in theaters. Um, probably should

have been the only Transformers film that was

in theaters. But, you know, the characters, sure,

they kill off half of the season, one, two characters

in the beginning to set up all the new characters.

But the way the story flows with the story flows,

the voice acting, the music. I mean, it doesn't

matter what you say. It doesn't matter. Yes,

it does. This is I don't care. I totally I think

this is a I think this is you didn't even bring

up the biggest. thing that this movie has going

for it um and again you didn't give me a chance

hold on i know i'm just saying a lot of people

are gonna stop listening at this point because

they know we're transformers fans so they're

just gonna write us all off as that but just

the whole fact that it killed a cartoon character

or multiple cartoon characters was something

that most of american children had never seen

before so in that respect it's somewhat groundbreaking

um i i love the film I would not rank it number

three, as you did. But being in our top 100,

I don't think it's a mistake. People will give

us crap no matter where we put it in our top

100, but I think it deserves a spot somewhere.

Dan, before we get back to Mike, because I know

he has more to say, and before we give Steve

a chance, what's your thoughts? Well, I'll preface

by saying I'm probably the only one on this record

that's not a big Transformers fan. It never really

hit me as a kid. The only Transformers really

I ever really enjoyed were the Beast Wars. Mike

was talking about, you know, if you don't look

at this, you don't look at that. It's a good

movie. And, yeah, I think if you look at it half

drunk with a concussion, you know, with one eye

closed while the TV screen is off, it's, you

know, it's a good movie. But besides that, I

don't like Transformers the movie nearly at all.

I mean, I did rank it because I do recognize

its place in history, and I do give it credit

for killing a character, which is pretty ballsy,

but some would say that it stole that idea as

G .I. Joe was being created and they were going

to do that first or whatnot. Actually, no. Transformers

killed off Optimus Prime, G .I. Joe was going

to kill Duke, and then they looked at the reaction

to what this movie did, and they said, oh, no,

we can't kill Duke. Right, he's saying which

one had wrote it. had at first in the plans,

though. Yeah. I was getting ready for this. I

listened to the commentary for the G .I. Joe

movie, which is, I think, probably worse than

Transformers, but they mentioned that they were

in development of coming up with the idea, and

then magically Transformers came up with it,

too. But besides the point, they still did it,

give them credit. Yeah, I think the songs are

fine on their own, but I don't think they at

all match what's on screen. I don't think they

totally make sense with anything that's going

on. I don't – the plot for me is just – What

movie are you watching? You have no idea what

the hell you're talking about at all. I do know

what I'm talking about. I'm sorry. You don't.

Let him talk. When I was watching it for the

first time since I was – I thought I was watching

the fan edit. I'm like, why are they placing

these songs the way they are? They don't match

what's going on on screen at all. The tonality

of what they're trying to emote from the characters

compared to what the songs are going after are

two completely different things for much of the

movie. I just, I don't know. I'm not nearly,

I know I'm ranking really, being very harsh on

it. I just, I don't see it nearly as higher rank

as maybe you guys do part of that maybe it's

because i don't have that nostalgia glasses of

being a transformers fan but part of it is i

just don't think it if you were remove your love

for transformers and just look at it as a movie

by itself i don't think it's very good i'm just

not gonna lie this is better than any of the

other transformer films that have come out to

date which is not saying much that's well i i'm

not going to disagree with you but This film

is not bad by any means. I will agree that some

of the musical track doesn't exactly line up

with what's going on on screen. There are a few,

like Dare to be Stupid, it happens on Junkion,

where everything is kind of just AWOL. It's crazy.

And a lot of stupid crap happens while it's there.

But that film not only has... a battle of odds

and evolution in the Transformers mythos. And

yes, it was an over -glorified toy catalog commercial.

Out with the old, in with the new. And then you

have the last performance of Orson Welles. So,

I mean, overall, that film is not bad. It's infinitely

better than the series. The animation, yes, I

will give you that some of the animation in places

are badly flubbed. Like with bulging eyeballs

or some goofy stuff that happens in the animation.

Or miscolorings or all of a sudden somebody who's

dead magically reappears or disappears again.

Yeah, some of that happens in the animation.

I mean, exactly what didn't have that during

the 80s. But the voice cast is stellar. The plot

of the story is good. It made a hell of a lot

more sense than G .I. Joe, which was trying to

do the same thing but failed terribly, which

is why it never went to theater. But, again,

this film deserves to be in the... the top 50,

um, I wouldn't say number three, but I mean,

because I put it in my top 40, but, uh, because

I had other films that I thought should go above

it, but I, I would not discount that this film

is not, uh, deserving of, of being where it's

at. Most people that ranked it ranked it between

40 and 70. Um, And like I said, it was on half

the list. I want to make sure that we're very

clear here. This is not just GeekCastRadio people.

This is not just the people that did a Transformers

podcast, etc. This is 10 people out of all the

different people that have nothing to do with

Transformers. 10 of them thought that it should

be somewhere in the top 100. Me, personally,

I don't necessarily see the music stuff as much

as Dan does, maybe. He's a film snob. I don't

think so. I will agree with Steve. The only song

that really doesn't fit is Dare to be Stupid

because they were partying it up and everything

else. But if you look at Touch, if you look at

Dare, those two songs, one is a theme for Optimistic,

the other is a theme for Hot Rod. Touch and Dare

and Dare to be Stupid actually fit. It's the

rest of them that don't. That's just as far as

the regular soundtrack of musical. The Vince

DeCola stuff is awesome. Yeah, that stuff definitely

fits. But again, I come from growing up on Beast

Wars, which is, again, infinitely better. I enjoy

Beast Wars a hell of a lot more than I enjoy

Generation 1. But even having caught it after

the fact, I still find this film to be... I can

watch this one. I can't really watch the series.

I'm going to have to rewatch it and listen for

the music just so I can see exactly what everyone's

talking about. Because I never remember being

put off by it. I can't get a sentence out. I'm

sorry. Dan mentioned the fan commentary. No,

I said I felt like I was watching a fan edit

when I was watching Transformers because of how

oddly placed the music was. Okay, well. As far

as the animation and your complaints about the

animation, they did do a fan commentary. I think

it was on one of the multiple versions of the

DVD release before the 20th anniversary release

in 2007. In the fan commentary, they point out

all of the mistakes in the animation. And if

they hadn't done that, like... I just assume

it was some robot flying by. I didn't realize

it was Ironhide at first. Some of that is stretching

it. Some of it is exactly what it is, fans thinking

that some things are happening that aren't, whether

it is or isn't. And a lot of times the animators

are getting the blame for what should be being

placed on editors. So let's not blur those two

things. I hate calling stuff animation errors

when it might not necessarily be an actual mistaken

animation. Some of it's storyboarding and stuff

like that that didn't. end up happening and then

it got edited wrong etc so let's not just say

animation errors um i don't know like my point

is obviously i'm a big transformers fan but i

i view it all um i don't view it with necessarily

i i hate the term rose colored glasses or nostalgia

glasses because some transformer stuff i hate

um some transformer stuff i like so i mean i

i don't just like it blindly because it for me

this is this is the peak this is the best um

The best Transformers thing we've ever gotten

was the animated movie. To me, nothing before

or after has lived up to that. That's just my

personal opinion. I know most people are going

to disagree with me, so that's the reason why.

But just as a kid, I always, maybe I'm morbid,

but as a kid growing up, I never understood why

cartoons, why characters never died. Maybe it's

because I had a major death in my family growing

up and I didn't. see cartoons as real because

no one, everyone was invincible. But to have

a major character die like that and to have a

lot of characters die, I don't care the toy stuff,

blah, blah, blah. It doesn't bother me. It didn't

play into my mind when I was watching the film.

To me, it was just groundbreaking to see characters

actually die. Like I said, I don't have any problem

with it being in the top 100. I don't think it

should be number three like Mike ranked it. But

like I said, the average was ranking it between

40 and 70. I have no problem with it being in

there, but I'm sure we will have plenty of comments

about Transformers the movie. So let's move on

and leave the commenting to the website posts.

All right, after that, let's go somewhere nice

and cuddly and friendly. The wonderful world

of Disney. Number 47 from 1977. We talked about

would this film show up or not when we talked

about its sequel. Well, it does show up at number

47, and that is The Rescuers. On 13 lists...

TV's Mr. Neal ranked at number 10 all time, 83

on Rotten Tomatoes. We do see the original film.

We do see the rescuers. We had mixed opinions

on if we would see that or not. And it comes

in all the way down at number 47. Dan, what are

your thoughts? I'm surprised, but not necessarily

surprised because I don't think it deserves it,

just surprised because I feel like it's one that

gets lost in the shuffle compared to a lot of

the other Disney films. Um, it's personally for

me, I think I was exposed to the rescuers, uh,

by the, you know, the sequel down under before

even, you know, I saw the original. Um, so it's

one that never really had a strong place for

me. I remember watching it. I just, I think part

of it was that the newer version, the animation

was so much better just because of just, you

know, time and whatnot that I just could not

get into the older version of it. Um, so I don't

disagree that it should be higher. It's just

for me personally, I, I never really had a strong

place for me as my childhood or as my adulthood.

But I think it's deserving. I think it's one

of their, you know, one of their better films

for sure. But to me, what, what the rescuers

and rescuers down under both were, were like,

to me, they're unique Disney films. along with

another one that I would put in with that. It's

not like the old classic Disney. It's not like

some of the other stuff they were trying. It's

not like the stuff in the 90s. It's just kind

of a unique, kind of an island all by itself.

Rescuers, Rescuers, Down Under, and like I said,

one other film that was along that same time

period I would put in with it. And that kind

of has some... Kind of magic to it to me. Maybe

not magic, but something cool about it. That

it is, to me, is different, but something that

still resonated and still was high quality. Mike

or Steve, thoughts on The Rescuers coming in

at number 47? Like I said when we talked about

Rescuers Down Under, I didn't even know about

this film. It wasn't that I wasn't paying attention

to it. It was the fact of... Down Under was one

of the first, if the only time at the time, that

Disney did not use a number for a sequel. So

I had caught this years later. I don't know,

I'd probably say somewhere in the mid -90s. And

I was like, oh, okay, so this is a prequel to

the other film. And I know it's not, it's a...

It's the original film and then the other one

was the sequel. But I don't know. I just I didn't

really care for this. I didn't care for the story

in this one. I like the other one better. You

know, it's interesting that you brought up because

it's something that I kind of forgot. But the

last sequel we saw on our countdown was actually

Rescuers Down Under. And it was number 71. That's

the last time we've seen a sequel. I completely

forgot to be looking out for that. So interesting

that we now see The Rescuer. Steve, what's your

thoughts? I don't remember enough about it to

make any comment. If it's anything like The Down

Under, then I'd say fine. Yeah, and most people

ranked it somewhere in the 50 to 70 range. So

we have it coming in at 47 just because, like

I said, 13 people voted on it. I'm surprised.

I don't know. I guess I'll have to watch them

both back -to -back to truly see again and revisit

it a little bit. It's been a while since I've

seen them both in their entirety and in a back

-to -back format to see which one I really like

better. But we were kind of in agreement earlier

that most of us like Down Under better than this

one that have seen both of them. But yeah, interesting

to see another film from the 70s show up. We

will see what trend we can either continue or

break or where we go from here. 46. As we march

forward in our top 50 films, we get to number

46. And I guess it's been long enough. And it's

time to visit the world of Pixar. Number 46.

What will the first Pixar film be on our countdown?

It was on 14 people's lists. Only got as high

as 19, though, so nobody ranked it higher than

19. Rotten Tomatoes score of 92. Ranked anywhere

from, you know, mostly in the 50 -60 range. We

got it at number 46. The first Pixar film in

our countdown, 1998's A Bug's Life. Maybe fitting.

Mike, first thoughts on A Bug's Life and for

Pixar finally being represented in our countdown.

I'm glad Pixar is finally represented. I just

hope Ratatouille's not on this list after this

because, oh my God, A Bug's Life is so much better

than that movie. I hope it shows up just because

it'll be another Ren and Stimpy moment for you.

Yeah, you just want me to throw the F -bomb all

over the place, don't you? A Bug's Life, I liked

it. I thought it was interesting. I thought,

you know, in between what Pixar had done before

and after, I thought it was really, really cool.

Generally, I'm not a fan of any kind of bugs,

no matter what they are. But it was interesting

as far as the story and as far as the animation

went. I mean, it was top -notch Pixar. And the

voice cast in this is just amazing. Having Ratatouille

show up ahead of this one would not be nearly

the calamity of having Cars show up after this.

Well, at least you said Cars and not Cars 2.

Anyway, I just had to get that in there. Jab

at you. Yeah, jerk. The voice cast is like a

who's who of Hollywood. I mean, every inch of

Hollywood. You've got Dave Foley, Kevin Spacey,

Julia Louis -Dreyfus. Phyllis Diller, Richard

Kind, David Hyde Pierce. I mean, the way this

movie was done was really, really good. The story

was interesting, and I don't know. The funny

thing with A Bug's Life, I think this and Ants,

which is from DreamWorks, were released around

the same time to compete with each other, and

I always kind of gravitated more towards Ants.

But going back and re -watching this, oh, I don't

know, a couple months ago. I really did enjoy

it. I thought the animation was top -notch. The

sound effects and the music were really good.

Is it something I'll watch again in the future?

Who knows. Steve, general thoughts on A Bug's

Life? Overall, not a bad film. I find it to be

overall enjoyable. I think the voice acting is

pretty good in it. I kind of like the plot of,

you know, you have this bumbling character that

they're all happy to get rid of and ends up turning

out to be their help in solving their problems

through a goofy invention. And Dan, Bugs Life

being the first Pixar film, what kind of gauge,

I mean, is this the tip of the iceberg? What

kind of gauge can we have on seeing that it's

a Bugs Life that's a first one? Does it give

hints to films that maybe don't make the countdown?

Or does it give us hints as to where we are ranking

Pixar in general? I mean, what are your thoughts

of a Bugs Life being the first Pixar film? I

guess that would assume that Cars 2, Brave, and

Monsters University will not make the list, which

is... the correct, I think the, the, the correct

thing for us to do. Um, brave. I agree. The other

two, not so much. You want cars. I, I, I don't,

or I don't say I get out cars too on this list.

Um, I always, you know, a bug's life in cars.

I think you're always to me ranked near the bottom

besides, you know, the, the, the ones I just

mentioned are usually ranked near the bottom

of Pixar. Um, you know, they can flip flop. They're

about even for me. So I think this is, you know,

the, the tip of the iceberg, and we're going

to get a slew of Pixar as we go further in. I'm

sure, I'm pretty sure this means that, I would

assume, if this is 46, A Bug's Life is 46, that

means that pretty much every other Pixar film

besides, you know, the ones that have come out

in the last few years, are probably going to

be very high on this list. just because we waited

this long to get to one of the lower -end Pixar

films. I think that's a sign that there's a lot

of Pixar love for the people who contributed

to the list. Regarding Bug's Life itself, I think

it's probably the second -best adaptation of

Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai after Magnificent

Seven. I do think it's a good movie. Like I said,

it's lesser Pixar. The cast is strong. Animation's

pretty good. It did, like Mike mentioned, it

had that mirror movie effect where it was out

at the same time as Ant. On the other hand, unlike

Mike, I was more so a fan of Bug's Life than

Ant. Just because I think it was just more cheerful

and I thought the comedy was stronger because

it had the Pixar visuals and the Pixar sensibility

that I appreciate. I think it's a good spot for

it. I don't... I would probably... Maybe you

think it could even go a little bit lower on

this list. But it's going to be interesting to

see where the others fit. It definitely is. 45.

Remember a while back when we hadn't seen an

anime film in a long time? Then we saw three

in a row. Number 45, 2006, from Pixar. Cars.

Dan said these two are the bottom of the barrel.

They should be next to each other. And so here

we have it. It just barely beats out Bug's Life

only by a few points. On less lists, but a few

people ranked it high because we have a few people

crazy like Mike and apparently Dan's sister ranked

it number two. Now I know that the movie Taste

in the Family is not shared. No, I'm just kidding.

Okay, it's on a lemon list. That's even more

a low blow than my film snob comment earlier.

Yeah, that was uncalled for. That's the first

time I've been called a film snob. My wife calls

me a film snob all the time, so I'm kind of used

to it. I take it where it has a badge of honor.

Anyways, number 45, Cars, right after number

46, A Bug's Life. Damn. I'm glad it's not any

higher. I don't hate cars. I know a lot of people

hate cars. I don't love it nearly as much as

my sister, apparently. But, you know, she's a

board game aficionado, not necessarily a movie

aficionado, so that's fine. But anyways, regarding

Cars itself, for one, it has Paul Newman. So

I love it right there because Paul Newman is

simply the man. I mean, it's an okay concept.

I think it is creating a world of just cars.

I don't know. It's not the best thing that Pixar

has come up with, but it's not by. Well, it's

not the worst because probably Cars 2 or Planes

was a little bit worse than this, but it's fine.

I mean, I do appreciate like the look back to

Route 66 and some of those routes. But yeah,

it is like like I mentioned, lesser Pixar. I

would say you could probably flip flop Bugs Life

and Cars. I wouldn't have an issue with it, but

them coming in. right after each other. It's

very apropos. Steve? I don't have a problem with

the first Cars. The story for it overall is enjoyable

and it's kind of cool how the whole thing plays

out. I didn't have a problem with the story or

the characters or anything. I like the animation.

Some of what they did there and incorporating

Mater. I can see where the first one deserves

to be on the list. Yeah, I can see that it deserves

on the list. Me personally, I'm not putting it

in the top 50. I don't know if I put Bugs Life

in the top 50 either. I think those two should

be on the other side of the 50 mark, and we should

have saw a Pixar film a little bit earlier than

we did. Them being back -to -back, I have no

problem. I would put a Bugs Life and Cars flip

-flopped. But I know Mike wouldn't, so Mike,

go ahead and get on your soapbox. Well, here's

the thing with Cars. Cars is, it's... It's probably

the first time I've ever really enjoyed Larry

the Cable Guy in a character role outside of

when he's with the other blue comedy guys. I

cannot stand him on his own stand -up comedy

stuff, but as the character of Mater, it's a

cool character. As far as the overall plot and

the story, it's your average. Cars is basically

an animated version of Days of Thunder, is really

what it is. It's really what the first film is.

The second film more so focuses on Mater. The

other interesting thing with this is the voice

cast. Like Dan said, and you said, Kev, you've

got Paul Newman, you've got all these other really...

It just goes to show you how full -on they pulled

in the NASCAR stuff. You've got NASCAR announcers

in this as characters. The interesting thing

is Batman is a car and a Ken doll. Michael Keaton

is the villain in this. I really enjoy it. It's

a good, fun film. Is it something that should

be higher than this? No, probably not. But it's

not. Cars is not. The Cars franchise is not the

worst thing in all of film that goes to. Johnny

Depp and a lot of his roles recently. I am actually

surprised that you didn't put this in your top

ten and proud of you, in a way. Because he's

got the second one in there. We won't touch that.

I don't even remember. I don't even think I saved

my list. Oh, that's good. You knew I had it,

so you knew it was safe. All right, so we've

had a double dose of Pixar. And we're down to

the last four films of today's episode. Let's

see what those are. It's number 44 on our list,

although I'm sure in Mike's world, he probably

wouldn't have it on our list just so that it

would make more sense numerically. For the second

time in our entire countdown, we're going to

the 60s. And this time it's 1961. The Disney

film is 101 Dalmatians. I like that movie. I

know. I was just thinking that you probably would

rather it be at spot 101. Anyways, it was on

15 people's list. So 15 people's list. Only five

people did not vote for this film. Like I said,

the second film to predate 1970 that we've seen

so far. The highest it got, though, was 24. Nobody

ranked it higher than 24. It comes in at number

44. Rotten Tomatoes score of 97, which is darn

high. We talked about Sword in the Stone at number

49. Now we're five spots later at 44, and we're

talking about 101 Dalmatians from only two years

earlier, even though it seems like a completely

different world as far as the film goes. Dan,

101 Dalmatians in our top 50. Your thoughts?

I agree with it. I think it is far superior to

something like Sword in the Stone because it

has, I mean, for one, it has one of Disney's

best villains in Cruella de Vil. I mean, she

is, I mean. If you look at a lot of the Disney

animation villains, they're often based upon

classic fables or fairy tales. Cruella de Vil

isn't, and she's just this evil businesswoman

that loves to kill puppies. Wait, all puppies

go to hell? I'm sorry. That would be her favorite

movie of all time. But yeah, I do remember loving

this movie as a kid. I just remember the... Like

the the way the animals were used to communicate

like that, like, you know, dog radio thing they

would do as they would try to passing those across,

you know, the to one another. I remember really

loving that as a kid for some reason. It's just

something that sticks out to me. But it is it

is an interesting movie. I mean, I think for

a lot of kids, it probably helped increase the

amount of Dalmatians that were sold, similar

to how like Nemo caused people to go crazy and

buy all those fish and all those fish back in

the day. But yeah, I think it is. I talked about

like Sword in the Stone is like not it's probably

lower Disney. I think 101 Dimensions is upper

middle. You know, nothing like near the best,

but it it stands out. And I think there's a reason

why it comes up again and again. Like we talked

about in NY Weekly, they may be doing another

related live action film. They did two live action

films based upon it. There's just something about

it. I think something about the story. And, you

know, if you're a dog lover, you really can't

do much better. Steve, you don't usually like

the animal Disney films. Do you like 101 Domations?

It's all right, but I believe the trend continues.

What I like about Disney and how they do their

dog films is that they basically make the humans

secondary characters. You know, usually, you

know, the pets. you know run a human's life and

that's i mean generally here it is shown where

you know hongo is you know basically making roger

stop work in the beginning of the film to take

him out and take him to the park and take him

on a walk but the rest of the movie is pretty

much from the dog's perspective and looking at

the humans and seeing that's one of the reasons

why i really enjoy this movie is you know seeing

whatever it is that a dog's brain thinks of As

far as humans and everything else, I think that

is really, really cool. And Dan is right. It

has one of the greatest Disney villains of all

time in Cruella de Vil. And unlike All Dogs Go

to Hell, you want to root for the heroes here,

for them to defeat Cruella. More so than, oh,

hey, we're going to make sure we don't die in

this movie like All Dogs Go to Hell was. And

I really, really enjoyed it. I think the animation

is really well done. And one of the things for

me, why, you know, you said that this came out

a few years before Sword in the Stone. I don't

see the two being able to compare them. I just

don't. They're two very, very different films.

And I've never, like, Disney films to me are

one -shot adventures, unless you do sequels.

But, you know, you take a look at something like

101 and A Sword in the Stone, I personally can't

compare them to each other. I can. 101 Dalmatians

is better. Anyways, no, I'm not a huge 101 Dalmatians

fan, actually. It's classic Disney. I do like

the fact that there's so many of the dogs, obviously

101. I like that they each have their little

personality type thing. I agree that Cruella

de Vil is one of easily the top 10 animated villains,

probably of at least Disney, probably top five

at Disney. So it has things going for it. I'm

not surprised that it's in our top 100. I'm not

surprised it's in our top 50. I'm kind of glad

to see it now, though, rather than later, just

because I'm not a huge fan of it. It's just interesting

that and Sword in the Stone are coming in within

like five spots of each other to me. So I don't

know. You know, we're going to see some interesting

things, I think, as we're going through. I mean,

we're starting to see some of the Disney films

that, you know, outside of the 90s. So we'll

have to see how many of those actually make the

countdown, and we'll see what our last couple

films are for today's episode. Number 43, we

are going somewhere where we've been before,

the late 90s. But this time, for something completely

different. Number 43 is 1999's South Park movie,

Bigger, Longer, and Uncut, from Comedy Central

slash Paramount. It was on 10 people's lists,

691 points. Highest it got ranked was number

9, Rotten Tomatoes score of 81. South Park, for

a show that I was not ever into, I remember seeing

this movie and just being completely impressed.

We talked about it a little bit when we talked

about Fuse and Butthead and a few other films.

Just the message that they were getting across,

the way that they masked something that most

people think, you know, the kids are just watching

this trash or filth or whatever. The underlying

messages that they're putting through, especially

in this movie, are just like, I don't know. It's

very, very worthy of being in our top 50. What

do you think, Dan? I love South Park. I would

even argue you could probably put this even higher.

I mean, I applaud anything that attacks the MPAA,

and South Park does it within their title. It's

an interesting story that South Park was able

to pull off their title because the MPAA didn't

realize what they were talking about. And then

they finally realized it and tried to get them

to change it, but they couldn't because they

said yes, so they had to go with that title.

If you don't know what it's about, then ask your

parents, I guess. I don't know. But South Park,

Bigger, Longer, and Cut is, to me, this is how

you translate a... cartoon television series

to the big screen. It was a genius move to make

it a musical. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are

one person creating songs. You can just see that

with their musical The Book of Mormon. They know

how to really make creative songs that are funny

and very thoughtful. This starts off with usually

amazing songs like Blame Canada. Their uncle

song, if we're trying to tape a little PG, I

won't say it word for word. And two, there's

so much context to everything they're doing.

They get at some of the aspects and the way people

are treated, the racial aspects of World War

II and the way we treated soldiers then. They

get at just the ridiculous way we look at movies

and how we rate them and how we are so willing

to... allow violence to be okay but bad language

is something that we freak out about it's there's

a point to everything they're doing you can look

at it as gross out humor but there's more to

it than that um there's a lot of um allegory

to what they're doing and they also homage like

a billion different things i mean they do everything

from anime to the movie Hook to classic things

like The Great Escape and other films. They're

great at taking bits and pieces of movies and

homaging them in ways that you completely have

no idea about if you're not aware of the material.

But if you do, you get something extra. But yeah,

I love Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. And like I

said, I think it could be even higher. And you

don't even need to be a fan or have any knowledge

of the series to appreciate this film. Um, to

me, the social commentary, like, and I remember

having to write, uh, some pretty long papers

about stuff in college as far as, um, in relation

to, you know, what we were going through with

school shootings and video game violence and

violence and cartoons and violence and movies.

And like this movie, the social commentary that

this movie adds to that argument is so genius.

And it's such a statement about. the time period

we live in, our generation, etc., and how a generation

will try to look at every other thing that they

can possibly try to put a blame on, except for

the real reason. I mean, Blame Canada, the lyrics

are just ridiculously on point. And that, you

know, we'll try to blame a movie, a cartoon,

a video game, whatever we can on violence, as

long as we just keep the focus away from parenting.

And keep the focus away from that it really boils

down to, can you teach your kid the difference

between right and wrong? I just think there's

so many different layers. You know, Dan, you

mentioned a bunch of other stuff that they touch

on. There's so many different layers and levels

to this movie. Like I said, I wasn't someone

who watched the show a lot because I didn't get

it. channels that it was on when I was growing

up. But I just remember seeing the movie and

being blown away. It's incredibly great. And

I agree, it could even be higher. I'm just happy

that it's at least in our top 50. Steve, your

thoughts on South Park, the movie? I actually

saw that in theater. I would say that it's highly

entertaining. I would say that it definitely

pushes the bill. I love the fact that it smacks

the MPAA in the face. In multiple ways. The whole

thing with adding the V -chip, the songs that

are in it, the showing what finally happens to

Kenny when he dies. You know, hell being let

loose. I mean, just the whole movie is enjoyable

overall. I mean, it's taken all that mythos from

the TV show, but... push the envelope even farther

yeah i agree i mean sure you know hold on we

got to stop the record right now we've had four

people agree on one film hasn't happened shut

the hell up uh yeah i agree because yeah you're

right kev you don't have to watch the series

to get the film but you do have to watch the

series to get a certain amount of the jokes oh

yeah um specific to the series like I'm not your

everyday person unless you've watched a million

YouTube videos of, oh, my God, they killed Kenny.

I mean, unless you've watched a million ways

Kenny has died, you're not going to get that

joke. Someone might react to that differently

than someone that hasn't watched the series might

react to that differently than someone who has.

But everything Dan and Steve said, I mean, it's

just that damn good of a movie. Anytime we can

blame Canada, that's awesome. That's just such

a genius idea. Dan, something we talked about

a long time ago was, and you kind of mentioned

it here as one of the ideal situations of transitioning

a cartoon series into a film. And we talked about

it a long time ago about how many of those would

we see. I bring it up now because we've seen

a couple. We've talked about way earlier in the

list. We talked about the Simpsons movie. We

talked about Beavis and Butt Head to America.

Now we've had South Park, Bigger, Longer, and

Uncut. You can throw Transformers in there. There's

been other films based on cartoon series. Is

this the best of the best, and should we see

any more? Are there any other ones that we could

possibly be seeing, or are we done with movies

based on a cartoon series? I would say this is

the best of the best. I can't think of anything

else that would would qualify or, you know, I

can't even think of another one that I think

would be. I know you've had someone like that,

you know, the dogs movies or the Rugrats movies,

but I don't see them making this list at this

point. At least I hope not. But I do think South

Park, Bigger, Longer and Cut is bar none the

best transition from a cartoon television series

to. live action um but i mean the only other

thing i could possibly seeing it because it's

so popular would be one of the family guy movies

like blue harvest but i think the likelihood

is low that would be awesome to just see mike's

reaction um you know we talked oh the other one

that we talked about before was uh the turtles

movie and and would we see um turtles forever

versus tmnt which we saw um i assume that people

would be up in arms if at this point we saw gi

joe the movie um I should almost be scared, I

guess. Given the amount of 90s animated films,

should we see DuckTales the movie come in? Is

that the same crowd that's voting on all those

other ones? Phineas and Ferb, some of that stuff.

Could be interesting. Mike, any thoughts? Who

knows if Across the Second Dimension will show

up. I don't think it will. It might, but I don't

know. I mean, I think it's interesting to see

how far we've come in the three episodes of the

actual countdown that we've done. I don't know.

We'll have to wait and see. Only going through

more movies will show us what is yet to come.

So let's get to another one on our list. Only

two spots left today, guys. And the first one

of those is number 42. Interestingly, we have

not seen the likes of this one yet today. We

have not seen a single film from DreamWorks today.

That stops now at number 42, the year is 2008,

and the movie is Kung Fu Panda. Also, the first...

Film to garner more than 700 points, 723 points

to be exact. Steve, you had the highest ranked

at number 23, Rotten Tomatoes of 87. Most people

had it ranked somewhere in the 50s or 60s. We

have it coming in at number 42. Let's start with

Steve. Since you had it ranked the highest, are

you upset you had it ranked 23? We're giving

it here at number 42. How do you feel about that?

No, I mean, I feel that's a nice balance of it.

Like I said, again, I tried putting films and

not putting their sequels in on my top 100, so

I at least tried to represent something from

each particular franchise or series of films.

Generally, I find the first film to be the best

one out of a lot of these DreamWorks films. that

happened to get released in certain Pixar films

or film. But no, I mean, overall, I enjoyed the

animation style on this. I enjoyed the tone,

a lot of the voice acting in it. The whole concept

of it is it was interesting to me. I did find

myself laughing at points just because of how

stupid. some of Jack Black's whole character

is. But no, I mean, overall, I really think that

this film deserves to be on the top 100. I don't

know if it deserves to be over the top 50 or

under the top 50, but I think where it's at is

fine. Mike, your thoughts on this one? It's an

okay film. The animation is good. The story is

interesting. I just wish it wasn't Jack Black

as the main character. I don't think it hinders

it. I don't think it hinders it having him, though.

Well, I just don't like a lot of his humor. I

don't hate the guy, but there are just certain

movies of his that I just don't care for. Legends

of Awesomeness is a good cartoon series. I just

wanted to throw that out there. Maybe that'll

be ranked in the 40s or the 50s next time we

do a series countdown. Dan, when we talked about

the first Pixar films that hit with Bugs Life

and then Cars, we were talking about how we gauge

the Pixar library in general and what we thought

we might see or what we might not see. We've

seen some DreamWorks films already. Seen Kung

Fu Panda at 42. How do you gauge what's left

for DreamWorks in our countdown without naming

names or anything? Do we see more DreamWorks?

Is this the best they have to offer? Do they

have other stuff that we haven't seen yet? How

are we gauging DreamWorks? I definitely don't

think this is the best they have to offer. I

do think it is the best DreamWorks movie off

the top of my head that we have gone through

so far. Maybe I guess you could say Chicken Run

might be. They may be a little bit even, but

I'm actually a huge fan of Kung Fu Panda. I did

not expect to be when I went to see it. I didn't

see it in theaters. I ended up just seeing it

at home. And like Mike, I'm not a huge Jack Black

fan. I do find him funny in the right spots.

I think he's really good in School of Rock. I

do like Tenacious D. And to me, having him in

this role actually works. His voice acting and

his sensibilities are perfect for the character

of Poe in a lot of ways. And two, I know very

little about martial arts. I love martial arts

films, but the only martial arts I've ever done

is like imitating three ninjas as a kid. But

from what I hear from people that are well -versed

in martial arts, it's very true to that art form.

And a lot of what it gets, it gets right. I mean,

that's just secondhand, but I'm impressed if

that is the case. And the action in this is just

outstanding. Like some of the action sequences

are... fantastically well choreographed. Um,

the set pieces are unique and I just love a lot

of the characters. I mean, um, and how they incorporate

their martial arts style into the actual design

of the character. Um, and I just do like Mike

and Steve mentioned, and I think Kevin, you too,

the, the, the, the animation is pretty awesome.

Um, it's, I think it's up there for DreamWorks,

but it's one of their best. I think it's much

better than the Pixar films we've talked about,

but, There are a couple of DreamWorks movies

that I'm thinking of that are better than it,

but it's one that has surprised me, and I do

think it is on the right side of the top 50.

Yeah, I agree. I can see that. I agree that it's

near the top of DreamWorks library. I don't think

that leaves a lot of room for too many more DreamWorks

films, but I agree that I have a couple in mind

that I would rank above it. Only one spot left

today. You know, I really liked where we were

going today. I think we turned some corners and

we were going in the right direction. I don't

know about the note we're going to end on, though.

You know, I said we could be opening a can of

worms with a couple different things that we

were talking about today, but I still believe

that they were at least correctly ranked on the

right side of the 50 mark. I think this one...

May cause some hate. And I don't understand it.

Coming in at number 41. The year is 2012. And

the movie is Brave. It was on 12 lists. 724 points.

As highly ranked as number 13. Most people had

it ranked between 40 and 65. It comes in at number

41. In our top 50, the movie Brave. Who wants

to begin? I would watch Kung Fu Panda a thousand

times over more than this crap. Brave, to me,

is basically an updated animated version of Braveheart,

except with magical mysticism, stupid curse crap

in it. I can't believe it. So it's like Shrek

4. No, it's more like Kung Fu Panda 2. I can

see this being listed when we were listing other

stuff from current, you know, way, way long time

ago, like in the first episode when we're talking

about stuff like Rise of the Guardians, whether

that should be or not. Maybe it's just something

that's in our mindset because it's so recent.

Some other stuff that we talked about way early

on, like, what am I thinking of? Rise of the

Guardians, we talked about. I mean, I think Cloudy

the Chance of New Balls is way better than that.

We talked about Princess and the Frog. We talked

about Meet the Robinsons. I can see maybe Brave

being listed amongst them somewhere. But in our

top 50, Dan, does it deserve anywhere near that?

I. Do not think so. Like I mentioned, I assumed

this wasn't going to make the list. After A Bug's

Life and Cars appeared, I mean, to its credit,

it did win Best Animated Film at the Oscars.

Not that that means much or anything. Not that

it should have. But I don't get the Braveheart

comparison. I don't think there's anything at

all similar to the story with Braveheart. I think

you can make a better comparison to Brother Bear,

which is a very similar story. um which is not

a good comparison i don't hate brave i don't

love it i i do think the animation is great i

do think the animation of um i forget her name

at the moment but the the the main character's

hair is really well done i think uh michael powers

who is part of the geek cast radio summed it

up best when i heard i've heard him say this

so i want to credit him where he says it's a

pixar's visuals with a disney story and that's

very much what brave is um the story is is not

up to the level that we expect with Brave. It

does have a great score to it. And like I said,

the animation is really well done. And I do like

the voice cast too. And even the one song that

was created for it was pretty good. Still with

that, I don't think it deserves to be up this

high. And like I mentioned with, and like you

mentioned, Kevin, some of the similar. like the

stuff that just came out, maybe a little bit

fresh in people's minds. So it got ranked by

more people than it probably should have or higher

than it probably should have. But I don't know.

It's a good movie. I could see it deserving for

top 100, but I would throw it more so in the

80s or the 70s. I agree. Steve, what are your

thoughts on Brave? It's all right. I mean, I

can see where the visuals and the acting and

some of it, but I don't see the mass appeal for

it. No, I'm just, I don't know. I think this

one stands out for me. The only thing that would

be more insulting after number 41 is if the Croods

was higher than Brave, because the Croods was

worse than Brave. So I'll have to wait and see.

I've carefully studied every Justice League,

your past and present. And created contingency

plans to neutralize you, should that ever become

necessary. You've got to be kidding me. Neutralize,

not kill. Whoever implemented my plans altered

them. It's still a completely unacceptable breach

of our trust. The members of the Justice League

are among the most powerful and potentially dangerous

people on the planet. You think one of us would

go over to the other side? Or succumb to mind

control. Yes, it's possible. That's why I developed

plans for containing any or all members of the

JLA, should the need ever arise. None of us would

ever do that to you. Then you're damn fools.

Yeah, I don't know. That is where we end the

countdown on a very weird note for me. Just looking

back, though, a little bit here on what we've

done today. With both the 10 on the one side

of 50 and the 10 on the other side of the 50.

I think the whole countdown for me shifted. and

it shifted right around number 55. I think the

first five that we talked about today were kind

of still following Pat with the 90s stuff with

Anastasia and Mulan. We had another DC film with

Justice League Crisis on Two Earths. It was feeling

much like the rest of the countdown prior to

that had felt. And then with 55, when we went

to the 70s with Charlotte's Web, and then we

got into, you know, The anime triad of Ghost

in the Shell, My Neighbor Totoro, and Howl's

Moving Castle into a couple films before the

70s with Sword in the Stone and 101 Dalmatians.

Some Pixar films with Bugs Life and Cars. Everything

seemed like it was shifting. South Park in there

for something based on a cartoon. I think Brave

kind of sticks out a little bit as weird. Kung

Fu Panda, like you said, one of the better DreamWorks

films. I see things shifting a little bit. With

the exception of Brave. Dan, what are your thoughts

on today's episode so far and where it leaves

us as we've gone 60 through 40? I think it really,

we're starting to finally break away. I'm glad

we're finally breaking away from more of the

current stuff. Brave notwithstanding. I'm glad,

like, similar to the first episode where we had

a well -versed of different styles. Same thing

here. We have anime. We had... stop motion animation,

DC, we all kind of went all over the board and

I'm glad we're finally seeing some older films.

Like, um, so that's a very good thing to see.

I hope that's a sign of things to come. Um, so,

and I'm glad that, uh, I'm, I'm very happy that

we, uh, maybe got a certain films out of the

way. Yeah. Like I'm glad we're finally seeing

Pixar. I'm glad we're finally seeing, you know,

certain films like, you know, South Park. things

that are switching up a little bit. So we're

not constantly talking about Disney from the

90s and 2000s. Another couple of things before

Stephen and Mike give some thoughts on what we've

done so far. It's going to be an interesting

shift now because now we move from, you know,

I guess it was the theme of today's episode was

going places we had not yet been to try not to

be completely using someone else's tagline. You

know, we hadn't had anything prior to the 70s.

We hadn't had any Pixar. We had been 30 spots

before we had, since we had had any anime. And

so a lot of the thought process up to this point

was, when are we going to see the first of this

or the first of that? And now I think it starts

to shift to, is this the last of this? Is this

the last of that? You know, have we seen the

last DC film? You know, when do we see the last

DreamWorks film? When do we see the last film

from the 90s? Stuff like that. Like, have we

seen the last of certain things? So that's something

to look kind of as we're moving into this later

half now, too. Mike, your thoughts on today's

episode and where the countdown has gone so far?

It's weird now. It's just weird. Thanks for your

elaboration. Well, the variety is good. I don't

agree with where a lot of the DreamWorks and

Pixar films should be. I think it's hard to judge

until we see the entire picture. Well, right.

But like so far, 100 to 41, there's only maybe

20 films out of that group that I might agree

with. And I'm more so like, I knew Transformers

wasn't going to make top 20. I didn't, you know,

I ranked it as high as I did because it's a really

enjoyable movie for me. And for me, it is one

of the best all time, even though we're not technically

calling this all time. It's just one of those

things where all of the other, and again, it

goes back to my point, Disney and Pixar are going

to dominate this list. Disney more specifically

than Pixar, but. Look at animated films in the

last, I don't know, since the 30s. Who has had

the highest presence? Disney. So whether it's

sequels, whether it's original films, whether

it's something that they've never done before,

Disney's going to have probably the highest percentage

of a presence on this list. I'm interested to

see where the top 40 going into the top 30 takes

us. But this episode was just too damn weird

for me. There was a little of everything in this

episode. It is that transition episode. It is

that going past the halfway, turning corners,

doing all kinds of weird stuff. And I don't know.

I'm excited to see, you know, as we reveal each

one going forward, what people's reactions are

and how people think we do. Steve, thoughts so

far on today's episode and the countdown overall?

Um, today's episode, uh, I've, I'm not disappointed.

I mean, I, I'm happy to see that some other franchises

and other, other series got some love in here

besides, um, strictly DC or strictly, um, Disney.

Uh, uh, I, I still have my, my thoughts on future

DC films that will show up. Um, I have a guess

that there will be at least one, but at most

five, before the end of the countdown, if there's

going to be any more. I have a feeling that there

will be at least one that should resonate more

than some others. No, I kind of guess that there

might be some more anime or something showing

up later, too. more obviously Pixar films will

show up because if we're starting with the bugs

life, uh, you know, toy story is going to be

somewhere near the top 10, uh, or toy story three,

one of the two. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm overall,

the entire countdown, uh, has been interesting

and kind of, um, frustrating on a personal level,

but that's, you know, again, why we have multiple

people gauging this instead of, uh, a giant,

uh, bias poll. I think one thing that you can

certainly say about today's episode is it is

one of the most diverse group of 20 that we've

seen since we have Pixar, DreamWorks, Disney.

We had even a Bluth film in there with All Dogs

Go to Heaven, Blue Sky with Anastasia, The Aardman

with Fantastic Mr. Fox. We had anime. We had

more recent stuff with Rango and Brave. Some

older stuff with Sword in the Stone and 101 Dalmatians.

DC film. I mean, it was definitely a diverse

episode and collection movies uh not to mention

south park and some other stuff like that transformers

um let's put dan on the spot because i love dan's

predictions um they're always wrong dan will

we see any more uh will we see a marvel movie

or will we see any more dc movies we only have

40 spots left i don't think it's possible to

see a marvel movie um at this point unless someone

voted for the adventures uh DC, yes. I think

there's one in particular that is about a certain

person who wears a cowl that will probably show

up in the list. I don't know. I didn't expect

Justice League Crisis of Two Earths, so maybe

even more the Justice League. Not that I dislike

those movies, but I don't think... I think we

personally have ranked the best of the DC movies,

so hopefully we don't see any more besides one

very... fantastical one that was in the early

90s. So yeah, that's my prediction. One more

DC, no Marvel, maybe in no image. Any more anime?

Yes, hopefully. Because my number one hasn't

showed up yet. Just give me a ballpark number

just off the top of your head. How many anime

would you like to see the rest of the way? What

do you have? 40? We have 40 spots. I would say

at least one fourth so maybe at least 10 more

anime films in the last one in last 40 i think

that'd be fair um probably should have more than

that but um concerning what we've gone so so

far we may see a little bit more but i think

at least hopefully 10 more is not too much to

ask and last one i'm gonna put you on the spot

one more time uh kind of mentioned it before

but uh how many more dreamworks films one two

Good question. I'd say probably maybe three,

three or four. I'm probably completely off. It's

going to be, but I would say three or four. All

right. Mike, any thoughts before we close this

episode out? As far as dream works, I can think

of maybe two or three that should show up at

least one in particular, even though I'm not

that big of a fan of it. I like it. I don't.

but I don't go all gaga over it like a lot of

other people do. Other than that, there's no

way. Marvel animation, Marvel direct -to -DVD

film animation does not, there's just no way.

It's a DC knockout when it comes to the DVD animation.

Maybe, possibly, I'm just going to go ahead and

name it, maybe, possibly Planet Hulk, but I seriously

doubt it. Steve, last word before we close this

one out? Like I said, I already stated my opinion

on DC and I'm with Dan. I don't see a snowball's

chance in hell of Marvel showing up now. But

again, Marvel doesn't hold a candle to DC animation

in the film realm. Live action, it's the opposite.

But again. I digress. But I hope that it keeps

being diverse through the remainder of the top

100 and just kind of looking forward to seeing

what shows up next. I'm just waiting for a couple

of the numbered Disney sequels to show up so

Kevin's head will explode. I'm just waiting for

multiple people's heads to explode as we reveal

different films that are in our top 40. Before

I flip it back to you, Mike, Dan, you get the

final word. Give us a grade so far in our countdown

and your last thought. Wow, a grade? Jeez, that's

tough. I would say... Wow. I would say B+. I

don't think it's... possible to get an a just

but i think it's b plus because a we're seeing

diversity maybe not everything is in the right

place uh maybe something shouldn't be where it

should be but i think what we are seeing is that

a lot of even the biases of the people recording

a lot of biases of the network aren't or being

overridden it's just i think a hodgepodge of

people putting this list together which is a

good thing so i think that gives us a b plus

maybe if that you know you can argue all day,

all night, that this belongs here, but at least

we're not seeing, like, DC, Marvel, Disney, like,

the same thing over and over again. So I think

that's a plus. All right, Mike. Well, there you

have it. Numbers 60 to 41 of the GCRN Top 100

Animated Films Countdown. Join us next time when

we will be revealing numbers 40 to 21. For now,

I am TF2 and Mike with... Steve Megatron Phillips.

Movie Revolt Dan. And Optimus Solo. Thank you

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