GCR – Episode 23 – Top 100 Animated Series 60-41

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Top 100 Animated Series of All Time Megatron

Phillips, Mike TFG1 Blanchard, Kevin Optimus

Solo Thompson. Alright, welcome back to the countdown

everyone. You've heard hopefully 100 through

61 to this point, and hopefully everybody has

listened to episode 20, the introduction. If

you haven't listened to the introduction, please

stop what you're doing and listen to the intro

now, because that'll save you from making ignorant

comments later on. And today we're going to go

from 60 to 41. And before we get going, I've

got a couple pieces of business I just want to

take care of. First of all, we have another special

guest with us representing This Week in Geek.

We have Double D David Dennis. Hello, sir. Hey,

how's it going? It is going very well, and we're

happy to have a member of the Twig family here

with us, even though Mike sometimes double dips

between the Geek Cast Radio and This Week in

Geek. And just a couple pieces of business. Besides

that, if you haven't noticed, our list has been

getting a little bit of attention. Over at geekcastradio

.com, we have been getting dozens of comments

on the individual episode posts. There's also

been a forum thread started over at TuneZone.

That has had over 30 replies to it so far. Yeah,

it's got three pages of replies right now. So

if you want to get involved in any of those discussions,

please do that. I will just, again, repeat, please

listen to 20 before you make any comments because

a couple people apparently didn't listen to that

because we explained a little bit of the bias

in episode 20. We explained a little bit about

some anime things. I'm once again seeing people

talking about nostalgia making our entries or

influencing our picks. And once again, I'm just

going to say that if a show was good at the time

when it aired, that means something, even if

it doesn't hold up. And I'll leave it at that.

Like we said in the last episode, the more we

get down the countdown, the less bias you're

going to see. And I am confident in saying every

show that we talk about today. basically deserves

to be in the top 100. I'm confident that all

of them do, in my opinion. I think most of the

bias is over now. So there may be one or two

that you guys might have an issue with, but we'll

see. Anybody have any comments before we get

into number 60? Mike, I know you got a comment.

You always got a comment. No, I'm fine. Steve?

No, I think I'm good. I think I just want to

find out what's new on him. Well, that's because,

you know, Kevin has to be a control freak, and

he's the only one that knows the list. And everybody

knows that anytime Mike calls anybody a control

freak, yeah, pot, kettle, meet each other. Anyway,

let's get right to the countdown then. 60. All

right, so starting off our episodes today, number

60, The Tick from 1994. Nice. Now, I myself am

not super familiar with this show, but I know

at least one of us is because, Double D, you

had this at number 27. Why does Tick deserve

to be in the top 100? I grew up with this show,

and this is just kind of a cult classic. Even

if you ask Mike, I don't know, I don't think

he spent as much time on his list. Well, I know

he didn't spend as much time on his list, but

let's not get into that. But even Mike absolutely

loves this show. And this is one of the better

superhero spoof shows out there, and it definitely

had that weird kind of offbeat 90s humor. I guess

I can... if that makes any sense. No, it doesn't.

It was a sense of humor that was very distinct

to the 90s. I don't know if you could really

get away with the tick nowadays, as we saw with

the very short -lived live -action show. But,

yeah, this show is kind of a classic to me, and

I'm glad it's on the list. I don't think it really...

I think it's in a good spot, I'd say that. I

was just going to ask you that, because IGN had

this as number six. Yeah, it does not deserve

to be that high on the list. I think 60 makes

more sense than 6. See, they just forgot the

zero, that's all. Yeah. It did get some critical

acclaim, a couple of Annie nominations, an Annie

win, a couple of Daytime Emmy nominations. Five

of us voted for it. A couple people had it in

their top 20. I'm fine with it being on the list

because it was around for a while, you know,

three seasons in the later part of the mid -90s.

A lot of people love this. It just was something

that I kind of missed out on. I was in middle

school at this point, and I just wasn't watching

as many cartoons, so I kind of missed out on

it. Mike, what are your opinions on the tick

making our countdown? Spoon! Spoon! Oh, man,

I wish we had a clip of Townsend Coleman saying

that. It's funny, Townsend Coleman, who voiced

the tick, He went from Michelangelo in Teenager

Ninja Turtles to the tick. True. And I never

really got into this show. I respect it for what

it is. I don't dislike it. It's okay, but it

has a certain taste that you have to have, I

find. Oh, I should mention, too, I almost forgot,

this also was in a tie with number 61, which

was the last entry of last episode, which was

Phineas and Ferb, but Tick won in a tiebreaker.

Steve, any thoughts on the Tick being in the

top 100? I would definitely say that this was

one of those shows that deserves to be on the

top 100. Granted, it wasn't on my list. Probably

won because I forgot about it. which usually

happened to a couple of the shows that I found

out in this list so far. But I did watch it,

although I don't remember almost anything about

it besides Townsend Coleman as the tick at this

point in time. But I'd have to say there definitely

was a pretty entertaining show, kind of off -the

-wall, out -of -the -mold type, superhero type

cartoon. I think we're actually starting off

all four in agreement that this show deserves

to be on the list, but it does not deserve to

be number six like IGN had it. Oh, no way in

hell. I think it fits right where it's at. I

think it's almost a perfect placement. That's

a good start to our episode today. Let's see

where we go next. 59. and defender of the Crystal

Castle. This is spirit, my beloved steed. Fabulous

secrets were revealed to me the day I held aloft

my sword and said, For the honor of Grayskull!

So following up the tick at 59... We have an

80s classic in She -Ra, obviously the sister

to He -Man. And I know some people are going

to have, this may be the one show on our episode

today where people have a problem with this,

but I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier

on in the countdown when we talked about Jem.

Jem and She -Ra defined basically 80s cartoons

for females. In my opinion, those were the two

biggest cartoons for the female audience in an

entire decade, so I think it does deserve a spot.

It might be a little high in my opinion, even

though I ranked this at 59, which is where it

falls in. So I guess I got this one on the dot.

Mike, you had this one in your top 11. Well,

I had it in the top 20. You had it in number

11. Same thing, whatever. And as we've said before,

the whole point of the project is multiple people.

So my personal list is obviously going to be

very biased towards 80s stuff, but the actual

list that we're creating here, I mean, 59 is

fine. I wish it was a little bit higher, maybe

like top 40. I just wanted to know if you had

anything to admit since you had Jem and Shira

in your top 11. Yeah, what's going on there,

Mike? You know, it's just one of those things

that it's nostalgia, and it's just I remember

watching them as a kid, and that's really all

it is for me as far as my personal list. I need

to clarify that because I don't want anybody

coming at me saying, oh, well, it's too high

or it's not high enough. You know, my personal

list, I think all of our lists are very biased,

but I did work and try to get as many. you know,

like what I felt deserved all time. And that's,

as I said, you know, multiple lists and Kevin's

whole point system and all that is what put it

here. And I, you know, I think it's, you know,

it, it was one of those things where, um, well,

what put it here was you and pixel Dan putting

it in your top 20. Well, true. But, but my point

is, is that, um, you know, like you said, Kevin,

There was no action cartoon for girls. There

was either Barbie or Jem or something like that

in the 80s, and this is what they created for

it. Regardless if it stands up now, it was something

that girls back then... Did you just invent a

Barbie cartoon that didn't exist in the 80s?

There were direct -to -video Barbie movies. Yeah.

There were no Barbie cartoons. Yeah. Well, no.

I meant Barbie as in, like, the doll. You know

what I mean? As far as, like, stuff in the 80s

in general, not specific to cartoons. But, I

mean, having She -Ra at... And 59, I'm fine with

it. I think it's too high, even though I ranked

it at 59. I think this one, I'm going to reiterate,

this one, Cops, Bravestar, they all deserve to

be in the 90s, I think. This was not ranked by

IGN, Steve. Did IGN get it right? Should this

not have been ranked? On the one hand, I can

see where they would think that, but... On the

other, it's enough of a following behind it,

and it's still primarily attached to He -Man.

Well, and I don't think some people understand

the cult following that this and Jem still have.

We are all into... some of us are into like the

superheroes and we know that there's a cult following

and there's like web pages and there's forums

and boards and all that about that. And same

with Transformers, you know, same with Thundercats,

same with Turtles. I don't think people realize

that there are those out there for She -Ra and

Jem as well. Yeah, and I would definitely say

that this deserves to be on the list. I agree

with you, too, that it shouldn't be this high

on there. But it's still one of those shows that

needs to be on there, just like Gem and all the

other ones. And especially because it's one that

it was something young girls could gravitate

towards as well. It did have 93 episodes. Maybe

93 is where it should have came in. I don't know.

I would say this deserves to be somewhere probably

in the 80s or 90s on the list. I understand the

cultural significance of She -Ra for young girls.

I never really watched it personally, but I can

see how it would get on the list, but I don't

think it really deserves to be this high. That's

just me. No, I completely agree. I think I kind

of voted it a little bit lower just because I

knew a lot of people wouldn't vote for it. So

I put it kind of right at that 60 mark. But I

think we're all kind of in agreement that it

maybe should be closer to the 80, 90 mark. Mike,

any last thoughts on your love for She -Ra since

you had it so high? No. Okay. 58. So we started

in the mid -90s, then we went to the mid -80s,

and now we are back in the mid -90s for another

one that kind of has a cult following at number

58, and you should obviously know it from that

theme song bit, Sailor Moon. It was on for five

seasons, 200 episodes. Four out of the five people

that voted for it voted it in their top 20. It

falls in at number 58. I'm going to start with

the only one of us that actually had it on their

list, which is Double D. You had it at 83, so

is this another one like Shiro where it deserves

to be on the list, but it may be a little bit

too high, or did the four people that had it

in their top 20 have it right? I think it's a

little bit too high. My list is kind of biased

towards the 90s in the same way that Mike's is

biased towards the 80s. I grew up with Sailor

Moon, and I was just obsessed with the show when

I was eight or nine. Until you got to the second

or third season, and then it just fell apart.

And even as a kid, you know when you're a kid

you have less taste in things, but I still didn't

like it past that point. I love the theme song,

though. Yeah, this show has a wicked theme song.

As soon as you put Sailor Moon in the little

Skype chat here, immediately the Sailor Moon

theme song started running through my head. I've

never even seen the show, and I still put that

theme song in my top list. Whenever I make a

top list of 90s theme songs or whatever, Sailor

Moon's always in there, even though I've never

really hardly seen the show. Nice. It is a very

memorable show for people that grew up with it.

But I think it should be maybe a little bit lower,

like maybe in the 60s, 70s, something like that.

It's one of those that I think if I watched it,

I actually would like it. I just never have had

the chance or never taken the time to actually

get involved in it. IGN, again, this is the second

one in a row that IGN has not ranked. Mike, how

do you feel about IGN not ranking it? You didn't

rank it. We did. What do you think? I think it

does deserve its spot, and I didn't rank it because

I remember watching a couple episodes here and

there, but it wasn't something that I was watching

all the time back then. This is another one where,

you know, whereas Jem and Shiro were, you know,

for girls in the 80s, this was pretty much the

90s girls cartoon, I think. The weird thing I

find, though, is more guys seem to like Sailor

Moon than girls. Yeah. It must have been that

naked changing sequence. It's guys that were

of the right age. Yeah. So, Kevin, this show

would have been perfect for you. No, I was already

like 15 or 16 by this point. I was liking real

women at this point. And we didn't have the internet

to post all those, let's say, non -authorized

Sailor Moon videos yet. Steve, what's your opinion

on Sailor Moon making our countdown? I would

say that it's definitely something that should

be on there because, I mean, granted, it lasted

a long time. There's a lot of memorable things

to it. I, granted, have only caught it a couple

times, but I still think it warrants a spot on

the list. I don't really know where to place

it, but I wouldn't say I would put it any higher

than where it's at. And I think it's just another

example that every – I'm to the point. Like I

said before, every show we get to now I think

deserves a spot in the 100. We might disagree

on where it goes, but I don't think many of these

people can say don't deserve to be at least in

the top 100. Except for number 95 a few episodes

ago. I don't even know what that was. I don't

even know what he's talking about either. Captain

Planet. Oh, well, I said this episode. I said

every show we get to in this episode. I know.

Yeah, let's not. Why are we talking about Captain

Planet? There's nothing to do with Sailor Moon.

Though it would be cool if they teamed up. That'd

be interesting. It's a different story, yeah.

57. All right, staying in the mid -90s for another

one at 57, Freakazoid. It was 53rd on IGN's list.

It is 57th on ours. It was 58th on JT's. Steve,

you had it in your top 20, as did Phil, Mike,

Laidman. Ryan had it at 22, so a lot of people

had this higher. Does it deserve to be higher,

Steve? I think so, just because this was such

a hilarious show to watch, and it pretty much

related to nerddom in general. You had this geek

that basically sits there on his computer and

then hits this span of keys and turns into a

superhero. I mean, who wouldn't want to relate

to that? True. If only it worked like that. Yes.

It doesn't? Dang it. I wish. I was hoping. Yeah,

I think even though I had a bias towards the

90s, as I said earlier, Freakazoid was one of

those shows that I had on my list in one of the

earlier incarnations of it, and then it got kicked

off by other shows when I started to think of

other things. So I do like this show, and I understand

the importance of it. I don't know. I'm glad

it's on the list, but again, I didn't end up

putting it on my list for that reason. I thought

there were better shows that I could have ranked.

I forgot to tell everybody again about the amount

of time you put into creating your list and how

many versions of your list that I received over

that. Well, I didn't actually put that much time

into the initial version of the list, and that's

why I kept doing revisions, because I kept realizing

that I had forgotten stuff in my rush to kind

of put it together the first time. I was a big

fan, because I knew at least at some point you

were putting some thought into it and wanting

to redo things. Mike, I haven't given you a chance

yet. Your thoughts on Freakazoid? It was one

of those shows that it came alongside Animaniacs

and Tiny Toons and all that stuff. If you couldn't

get into it, you just couldn't get into it. But

if you got into it, you were, you know, termed,

quote -unquote, a super fan of it. I like the

theme. It's one of those shows that it is a really

good show for its time. I do think it deserves

a spot on the list. I don't think it deserves

any, like, I think it fits right where it is.

I don't think it needs to be any lower. I kind

of agree with you. I know Steve wants it a little

bit higher on the list. I think it's fine where

it is. I wouldn't want it too much higher myself.

But that's just because I don't think its audience

was as big as some of these other shows. But

I do agree that it does deserve to be somewhere

around where it's at right now. So I'm fine with

it. I would still say that it's roughly in the

same range even as IGN. So I would say that this

one pretty much is an even knockout on both lists

anyway. All right. So, so far, the most represented

franchise. In the countdown, at 81, if you think

back, at number 81, we had the 1960s Spider -Man.

At number 75, we had Spider -Man and his amazing

friends. And now at number 56, we have the 2008

version, Spectacular Spider -Man. Well, thank

God. Please, nobody from Toon Zone come after

us. It's on the countdown. It's coming in at

number 56. iGen had it at 30. We're going to

do a little bit of talking about this one because,

again, I want to bring up the whole franchise

thing. I'm actually the only one that voted for

this out of the four of us, and I'm the one that's

not the superhero fan, so let's not go there

too much. Four people had it in their top 30.

How do you like this one showing up? I'm going

to start with Mike. How do you like this one

showing up at 56 in comparison to the other Spider

-Mans that are out there and that have already

made the list? I've only caught maybe four episodes

of this series. I... And it was one of those

things when it was on, I couldn't catch it when

it was on. I've since gone back and watched YouTube

videos of it. It's a very well -written series.

The voice acting in it is just amazing. I'm glad

it came in at the countdown. I'm sure a lot of

people will say, oh, why isn't it higher? Why

isn't it lower? And when you first mentioned

Spider -Man franchise, I was like, oh, no. Oh,

no, please, no. That other show better not be

ranking. here because that'll piss me off but

no spectacular spider -man is just a well thought

out i mean it's a very story -driven cartoon

and it was it was very well done i thought and

56 i think is from what we've created so far

from 100 to now right here in the middle is where

it should rank. Josh Keaton was definitely good

as Spider -Man, I thought. I based this one more

off of when I went to do my superhero voting.

I'll at least give this disclaimer. Since I don't

know a lot about all the superhero shows, I did

a lot of research as far as what the fandoms

out there like, as far as which... Which Batmans

are the best? Which Supermans are the best? Which

Hulk or X -Men are the best? Which Spider -Man

are the best? And a lot of people had this one

towards the top of their Spider -Man list. Steve,

in comparison to the two Spider -Man shows that

have already shown up or any of the other Spider

-Man shows out there, should it have been 60s

Spider -Man and His Amazing Friend and now Spectacular

Spider -Man? Is that the right order so far?

I would definitely say so. I mean, granted, I

haven't... Everything I've heard about this show

has been good. I personally have not seen it.

But having seen elements of the other two, I

would definitely say that this should be on the

list. I don't agree with that it should be in

the top 20 or 30, but I'm glad to see it at least

hit the list pretty much where it hit. Should

we see any more Spider -Man, or is this the end

of it? We better see more Spider -Man. I'm thinking

that at least we're going to see the 1990s Spider

-Man show hit pretty close. Yeah, I'm pretty

sure quite a few people put that on their list,

so I'm thinking the 90s Spider -Man's probably

going to be on here. But I'm okay with this one

where it is. Do you think that this one's better

than Spider -Man and His Amazing Friends or the

60s one? From the little that I've seen of it,

I'd say so, yeah. I think they put a lot more

thought into this one. The 60s and 70s ones were

good for their time, or I guess Amazing Friends

was early 80s, but I mean, they were good for

their time. So I can see how they made the list,

but I think this list is developing a bit of

a Spider -Man bias. I don't know. This is the

third Spider -Man show, and that's definitely

more than any other franchise has. I don't know

if any other franchise has a chance to catch

it or not. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Maybe Batman. I don't know. Batman has made its

emergence in the list, so who knows what will

show up later as far as that's concerned. But

I can honestly say I haven't voted for any of

the Spider -Men so far. I just hope that Spider

-Man Unlimited does not come in anywhere near

here now, because it's going to be a travesty

if it does. Well, so far we have three Spider

-Men and one Batman, so Batman would have to

catch up a little bit. Yeah. Wouldn't be that

hard to do. Yeah. Besides Spider -Man Unlimited,

is there any others that you really are hoping

don't make the list, or are there any others

that even have a shot? Really, at this point

for me now, it's just Spider -Man, the animated

series from 1994. As far as the Spider -Man cartoons

go, Spidey 94 was, you know, people will say,

oh, the animation doesn't hold up. It's not about

holding up. It's about what you remember watching

it. Spider -Man, the animated series, had really,

really great storytelling. It had great voice

acting, and hopefully it'll show up. We'll have

to see. fifth pre -1970s show to make the list

at 55 the pink panther show i'm going to start

with this one i had this ranked at 53 and it

came in at 55 actually eight of the 20 people

had it on their list this basically ran in one

form or another for a decade And I honestly,

even though I only put it at 53, I think Pink

Panther should actually be in the top 50. I think

this is a little too low for it. I think it should

be a little bit higher. Just because, I mean,

I know it wasn't your typical cartoon as far

as, like, voicing and stuff like that. It's basically

without voice, just with music and that type

of thing. But this is an iconic show from that

era. It's one of the most iconic shows from that

era. forget some of those classic shows. I might

be alone on this opinion, but I think it deserves

higher than 55. No, I'd agree with you. I had

it as 49 on my list, so I think it deserves to

be in the top 50. Like you said, this show...

It mostly relied on music and comical situations

more than dialogue, but it was so well put together,

and the music was just wonderful. I'm not entirely

sure. I know Henry Mancini did the music for

the Pink Panther films. I'm not sure who did

the music for the show. It was also his theme

that was used in the cartoon series. I know he

used the theme. I'm not sure if he did the actual

music, but still, it's a memorable series for

what it was and very influential for its time.

Well, and a show that could capture a kid's attention

at that time that had no talking. Without dialogue,

yeah. To be able to do that type of comedy without

that, I think it adds to how good it was. It

was nominated for one Daytime Emmy, which was

a big deal back then because cartoons weren't

nominated for that stuff a lot. Mike, you had

it at 63. Does this belong in the top 50? Oh,

yeah. Oh, yeah, it does. The Pink Panther cartoons

specifically were awesome, were great because,

you know, normally it's him. Like, I remember

one specific episode, he was trying to get some

sleep and there was something going on outside

his house or whatever. Something ends up bothering

the Pink Panther. And, yeah, this so deserves

it. The other thing I want to mention is. This

also had cartoons running with it. This is another

one of those shows that had cartoons running

with it, which were The Ant and the Aardvark,

which did have voice acting to them, and The

Inspector. I love those two cartoons. I think

we did give it a little bit more respect, obviously,

than IGN. IGN had it at 67, so at least we got

it higher than that at 55, but I still think,

like I said before, this is a top 50 show. Oh,

yeah. So it should have been a little bit higher.

Maybe Steve disagrees because, Steve, you're

the only one of us that did not vote for this.

Is this fine where it is? Is it top 50? Should

it be lower? Where should it be? I would probably

say that I like it where it's at just because

I'm more so I liked it back in the day. I mean,

granted, it wasn't on my list, but it wasn't

one of those most influential shows, in my opinion,

of what entertained me. I mean, I liked it. There

was nothing wrong with it. I liked that it lasted

as long as it did. But it's... I don't know if

I'd have it under 50. but I would say that it

should be at least 50. Well, 55 is not too far

off, I guess, from the midway point. I just think

it would have been nice to get at least that

little nod into the top 50. I don't know. We

haven't seen a lot of classic shows so far. Like

I said, this is only the fifth show that's come

in before 1970. We had Johnny Quest. We had Huckleberry

Hound. Hong Kong. Hong Kong, if we were 70s.

We had... like one or two other ones that were

pre -70s. So, so far we're not seeing a lot of

those classic shows fall in, and we'll have to

see. Hopefully we can see some of those get some

respect a little bit later on. 54. From days

of long ago, from uncharted regions of the universe,

comes a legend. The legend of Voltron, defender

of the universe, a mighty robot. I have not mentioned

this before as far as the points a lot, but we

have just reached the point where it would actually

take four people to rank something number one

on their list in order to get it into the list,

meaning a show would have to get 400. Over 400

points to make the list, and this is the first

of those shows. Coming in at number 54, I know

Mike's happy about this one, the 1980s classic

Voltron. Had 124 episodes. IGN ranks this one

at 76. We rank it at 54. All six people that

ranked this actually ranked it higher than 54.

So the only reason it's not higher is because

more people didn't rank it, but all six people

had it in their top 50. Mike, how do you feel

about Voltron coming in at 54? This show should

have been higher. This show should have at least

feel about Doug. So there you go. Well, all right.

Well, you know, the thing about it is, is any

of the 80 shows that come in that I grew up with.

I will say should have been higher, but that's

just my personal bias. But Voltron should have

at least made like 49 or 48, I think, or something

along those lines. It should have been at least

just barely making in the top 50. Voltron had

a great opening story, the telling of the five

space explorers and finding the lions and finding

the castle of lions and all that stuff. One of

the things I did not know as a kid, and I found

out later, was that Peter Cullen had done voices

on Voltron, and he specifically does the narration

in the opening theme song as well. And when I

was a kid, I was like, wait, what's Optimus Prime

doing on this show? It's basically the same voice

like he does with a lot of them. But I will say

this much. We got it better than IGN. It's better

than 76. Yeah. I mean, Voltron was one of those

shows. It's one of those classic 80s shows. And

I know that people, you know, for me personally,

if you go back and you listen to ToonCast Episode

4, I specifically say that to me this is not

anime. Well, I'm just going to bring that up.

This is the one. This is if there is. An anime

show for non -anime fans, this is it. I would

say Sailor Moon and maybe Pokemon fall into that

group as well. Yeah, I mean, there's a few shows

that even though they're anime, even people that

don't like anime like them, and that's the situation

for me. Like this one, and there was a couple

other 80 shows that I'm not going to get into

a lot because they're not on our countdown, but

there's always those few that cross those boundaries

even to non -anime fans, and this is for sure

one of them. And one of the reasons why I say,

to me, Voltron is not anime is just because of

when it was on. You're going to get railed for

this, by the way. No, I'm not. People are going

to be calling for your head because you're calling

this not anime. I know. Well, all right. Well,

I will say, I know it came from Go Lion. And

yes, I know Go Lion was, it came from a multiple

of different animes from Japan. But the U .S.

Americanized version of it. It doesn't feel like

it's animated to me, and it told a specific story.

And, yeah, they had to change a few things, like

Sven being injured instead of just outright dying.

One of the things I do want to bring up is Voltron

was the first show to have stereo. First cartoon

in the 80s to have stereo sound. And it was just

amazing. Yeah, that was a big deal back in the

day. I remember that. Things would have a little

thing. At first it was in color, and then there

would be a thing at the bottom that would say

in stereo, and now it's starting moving towards

being in 3D. Double D, does this deserve a spot

on the list? You did not rank it. I think the

only reason I didn't rank this is because I sort

of forgot about it because I never really grew

up with Voltron, though I understand its cultural

significance and I understand why people like

it so much. So I am glad that it made it on the

list, and I think it's right about where it deserves

to be. Yeah, actually, we didn't talk about where

it was. I mean, I did say that six of us voted

it in the top 50, and Mike said it should be

a little bit higher. I'm not necessarily upset

with this being at 54. To me, when I think about

Voltron, I don't necessarily think top 50, so

I'm kind of okay with it. Steve? Well, to start

out with, I would agree with Mike that I don't

see it as an anime, but I do see that it is still

an anime. Right. But granted, I don't have this

on my list either, but it wasn't one of those

shows that I just... I can see the following

behind it. I can see why everybody loved it.

I don't know why IGN ranked it so damn low. They're

just fucking retarded. But I would definitely

say that it's top 50 worthy. Right. Maybe even

top 40 worthy, but I'm not completely dissatisfied

with where it landed on the list. Yeah. I do

like it, but it wasn't one of those shows that

I could sit through often. It seems like we're

starting a trend here because, you know, Pink

Panther, IGN did not have high enough. Voltron,

they did not have high enough. And it's going

to continue. At least we beat IGN. And we're

going to continue to beat IGN. We have a couple

trends continuing. First of all, the trend of

older shows not getting the amount of respect

that I think they should. The second trend is

IGN doing horrible because they ranked this one

at 68, and at least we're beating it at number

53 with Popeye the Sailor. I don't understand.

There's seven people that voted for this. We

all voted it in the top 50 except for one. Mike,

how the hell did you vote this 99? Fuck you.

It all goes back to Bluto the Rapist. Oh, my

God. What? Seriously? Okay. Now, I need to clarify.

If you go back and you listen to Tooncast episode

73, I think it wasn't at 73, Kev? I don't know.

I'm not Rain Man. Shit. Definitely came out of

my brain. Shut up, Steve. Just explain yourself.

When we covered Popeye on ToonCast, when I actually

went back and watched the cartoon and I looked

at the show, the first thing I saw was, okay,

Bluto is a stalker and a potential rapist. That's

all he is. He wants to get Olive Oil and then

fuck her brains out. That's all it is. Why does

that make this 99th best show instead of... Yeah,

but most bad guys in cartoon shows are like that,

though. It's kind of a common theme. To illustrate

this further, I had it at 31. Steve, you had

it at 34. Glade had it at 36. PixelDan, 27. DoubleD,

you had it at 22. JT at least had it at number

50. To me, this and Pink Panther are no -brain

top 50 shows. Yeah, I was just going to say that

I think this deserves to be way higher on the

list. This is probably even... top 30 material

uh i mean i'm glad it made the list obviously

but this show is a classic and yeah it's almost

like it's come past the point of just making

the list and now it's about like where these

are falling at because all these should make

the list yeah exactly but popeye was on air,

whether it was new shows, reruns, or the old

theatrical shorts or whatever. I mean, it was

on air for almost freaking 50 years. Yeah, there

are very few shows that they can just keep redoing

and redoing and rehashing, and there's the live

-action movie and all that. Actually, I think

this was one of the first cartoon shows to get

a live -action movie way back in 1980 with Robin

Williams. Just the cultural impact that it had.

I'm just a little bit surprised that it showed

up now instead of later. So the point is that

IGN ranked it 68, we ranked it higher, and all

of us except for Mike ranked it higher. So Mike,

IGN is the only one to get it better than you.

You are the Judas Iscariot among us, my friend.

Except for the few people, obviously, that didn't

put it on their list at all. Steve, your thoughts

on Popeye? It should have been a hell of a lot

higher than this. This was the shit back in the

day, man. Even if you didn't like spinach or

whatever, this was something that you see this

guy eat a freaking vegetable and he gets these

monstrous muscles and just beats the hell out

of whoever is his opposition. This was the first

pro -social cartoon that was like, fuck Captain

Planet. This was telling us to eat our vegetables

back in the 60s. It's like, eat your vegetables.

It'll make you big and strong. You need to beat

up big guys like Bluto that are trying to rape

your girlfriend. I will say that they're both

crazy for liking olive oil. Yeah, it's kind of,

I don't know, stick figures, like almost something

you'd see on Nightmare Before Christmas. For

Tim Burton got his ideas. Obviously. But, I mean,

it's still a show that deserves to be much, much

higher on the list than where it's at. We should

not be talking about this this episode. Yeah,

this should be next episode for sure. And IGN,

what the fuck is wrong with you? And Mike, really,

what the fuck is wrong with you? Clearly he doesn't

like rape. And it's not only that. He's not the

one causing it, though. Shut up, Steve. Unless

he wants to. Maybe that's why it's at number

99. He wants Bluto. No, no, no, no, no. It's

the fact that Popeye is stopping him. It's almost

like the Dark Knight. It's the Joker. He wouldn't

know what to do with her when he got her. Exactly.

Mike, just admit you're wrong. The other thing

about Popeye is the way that they advertise eating

your vegetables, they advertise it like he's

doing fucking steroids. Well, they probably wanted

it to be that, but they couldn't, so they had

to make it vegetables. Mike, just admit you're

wrong so we can move on. 52. I'm sorry, but I'm

going to sound like a broken record here because,

once again, IGN got this way wrong, and I think

we got it a little bit wrong. I think it should

be higher. 52 Smurfs. Now, let me start. It was

on for a decade. It was on for the entire 80s.

421 episodes. Five Daytime Emmy nominations,

two Daytime Emmy wins. This is the pinnacle as

far as if there was a cartoon for that generation,

that decade, a cartoon for that age, like that

preschool, kindergarten age group, Smurfs was

it. Live action, you had Sesame Street. Cartoon,

you had Smurfs. This is what you watched at a

young age if you were a kid in the 80s. This

belongs top 50. I know 52 is close. It belongs

top 50. Mike, what do you think? I agree with

you. And I don't care who says it doesn't hold

up or who says this is a perfect example of the

people that say you're voting on nostalgia, you're

voting on stuff you grew up with, or you're voting

with stuff that is either unwatchable or doesn't

hold up today. I don't care if it was good for

10 years, it deserves a spot. It was good for

the kids at that time. So I don't care if it

holds up today or not. It wasn't trying to hold

up in 2010. It was trying to hold up in 1980,

1981, 1982, and it successfully did that. And

now we're getting a live -action movie out of

it. Exactly, which is kind of freaking scary.

Yeah, which is probably going to be horrible,

but that's a different discussion. But I think

we might have two sides of the spectrum here

because people either rank this high or rank

this low. I will say nine people voted for it

out of the 20 that submitted lists. Now, me and

Mike have this in the top 35. Steve, you and

Double D have this in 87 and 94th, so did IGN

get it right when they put it at 97, or did we

get it closer to having it right here at number

52? I would say, I don't know, maybe like a little

bit lower than it is. I mean, I never grew up

with the Smurfs. I think that's why. I ranked

it so low, I just didn't have that connection

with it. But I still put it on my list because

I recognized how important it is to people of

that generation. The people that grew up in the

80s absolutely adore the Smurfs. So I understand

that, but that's why it didn't get any higher

on my list with all the rest of my personal favorites.

How about you, Steve? I would have to say that,

for one, I didn't realize there were so many

episodes and it went on so long. Because to me

it just seemed like they were telling the same

damn story over and over every episode. Well,

they basically were. So that's probably why I

ranked it so low, being 94th on my list. I would

probably warrant that, yeah, well, obviously

it deserves a spot on the top 100. You just have

to be stupid not to have it on there. But it's

not... I don't know, just for the fact that it

keeps telling the same exact story every episode.

It's just, I don't know, it gets repetitive.

It's almost like Captain Planet, except for Captain

Planet was just lame by comparison. I'd rather

watch little blue people running around compared

to that. I think two things for me, and I know

I kind of said a lot already, but two things.

Number one, if you've had... This had 421 episodes.

Let's not even go that far. If you've had over

300 episodes, you automatically should be a lock

for a high spot. I mean, 300 episodes, much less

400. And the other thing, the amount of shows

that tried to copy it are endless. As far as

diminutive, little, whether it was people, aliens,

Snorks? Yes, I mean, Snorks, the Littles, I mean,

the Monchichis, I mean, I could list about 20

of them if you guys wanted me to, and I don't

want to bore everybody. No, yeah, you're going

to bore us. But, I mean, this show, everybody

tried to copy it, everybody wanted its success,

and to me, 400 episodes warrants top 50. Oh,

yeah. I think it should be a little bit higher,

at least top 50, maybe even top 40, just for

the cultural significance it has. And as far

as it holding up today and the movie and all

that, well, you know, whatever. As Kevin has

said before, it's not about holding up. It's

about ranking the cartoons as they were. It's

unfair. Go ahead. The fact that they're making

a movie shows that the audiences of today, the

little, I guess, four to ten -year -olds of today,

can still enjoy the Smurfs. And since they're

making a movie, they're obviously going to market

the hell out of the original show. So that shows

that the marketing geniuses behind this believe

that the children of today can still enjoy this

show as much as the children of the 80s. So that's

really saying something. And obviously they're

trying to cash in on all the adults that were

kids of the 80s that are now going to take their

kids to it. But I just, again, I think it's unfair

to judge people's work from 20, 30, 40 years

ago by today's standards. And you've got to judge

it based on what they did at that time. And to

be on, how many cartoons have lasted nine seasons?

If we were to make a list of cartoons based on

number of seasons or number of episodes, I'm

guessing this would be top 10 or 20 on both lists.

As far as total number of episodes. But at the

same time, that doesn't really dictate the quality

of the show. No, but I'm saying part of quality

is how long are you around for your audience

at the time when you're being produced. The staying

power of it. And to not get canceled at all over

10 years. And I guarantee you, if we had ratings

information involved in this, as far as Nielsen

ratings or that type of stuff, it was wiping

out the competition for almost all nine of those

years. And to me, that counts on something regardless

of overall quality as we view it now. I don't

know. I might be one of the minority in feeling

that way because everybody on all the message

boards, all they talk about is, does it hold

up today or can I watch it as an adult? The show

is not intended for adults. Yeah, I don't think

it matters if you can watch the Smurfs as an

adult. It wasn't made for adults. That's not

the point. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I'd say I

agree maybe that it should be a little bit higher.

No, I'm not saying it should be that much higher.

I just think it warrants top 50, which we only

have one more show left in this half, and then

all of them are going to be top 50. And then

we can stop complaining about how they're not

in the top 50. Yes, so let's see what the last

one is that doesn't make the top 50. 51. Another

piece of evidence as to why IGN sucks. They did

not rank this show, and everybody knows that

this deserves a ranking. The 2003 version of

the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which under

different titles lasted for seven seasons, 166

episodes, IGN did not rank this. Six people did.

Five of those people had it in their top 35.

It's the last one that doesn't make the top 50,

but it comes in at 51. Steve, what are your thoughts

of the newer, the latest until this year version

of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? I would definitely

have to say that this was a great show. I liked

what they did with it this time around. They

didn't go for as much of a campy thing like what

they did with the 80s version. I mean, the 80s

version was great, don't get me wrong. I loved

that show, and there's no way that anything could

top it for what it was. This incarnation of the

Ninja Turtles was quite awesome graphically,

vocally, and... And story -wise, I mean, yeah,

it had its off -the -wall moments, but so did

the 80s one. And this show definitely is top

100 worthy. I think it should be a little bit

higher on the list, but I'm at least glad that

it made the list. I'm glad that it made it at

least this high. I think a lot of people forget

about it. And I'm going to go out on a limb here

because a lot of shows, the original is necessary

in order for the other ones to be popular. I

don't know. Say what you want about certain shows.

I'm not going to go Transformers or G .I. Joe

on anybody. But if the original Thundercats is

not popular, we're not getting a new Thundercats

this year. That's not something that they just

would have came up with, and it wouldn't have

been popular. Let's say they did do this Thundercats

this year. It would not be popular without that

one in the 80s. This turtle show would have been

popular even, in my opinion, if the 80s turtles

never existed. Yeah, I think this is one of those

shows that actually lives up to the original

incarnation. It's one of the ones that I think

I forgot to put on my list. I know I put the

original Turtles. I think I just wasn't even

thinking of this version, but I have seen both.

They're different, and I know people love the

80s one for sort of the nostalgic qualities,

but this one almost has better storytelling in

some ways. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this show, much like

Spectacular Spider -Man, was... one of those

things that was very story -driven. The voice

acting was great. It got a little wonky when

they did Fast Forward, because there were so

many time travel stories. They were basically

constantly jumping in DeLoreans and going to

different time periods and crap like that. It

set a whole other generation onto the Turtles.

Oh, yeah. And the voice acting is actually...

As far as comparing voices, it's hard to do in

the Turtles franchise because so many of them

are really good. Like Michael Cinder -Nicholas

and Wayne Grayson and Sam Riegel and those guys.

I mean, they did great in this show. And this

show, I like the fact that they didn't have to

go for the same type of feel as the first one.

The first one, like we've said, is campy and

comedy more. This one's more action, a little,

not necessarily darker tones, but darker compared

to the 80s one. I think what they did with this,

and I'm not trying to cut you off, Kevin. I think

what they did with this is with Turtles 2003,

they took the Eastman and Laird comics, and they

took the 1987 cartoon, and they meshed them together.

Because there are comedy bits in this series.

Yeah, they sort of did like a marriage of like

a best of. Right. Because the comics, if you've

ever read the comics, they're very dark. Yeah,

they're extremely, extremely dark. Yeah, compared

to the show, which was aimed more at kids. And

then you get this, which is kind of the happy

medium. Right, exactly. And I think the big thing

is when you're going to remake a show that pretty

much everybody loves, like the Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles. You have to do a good job or everyone's

just going to hate it. And the fact that people

like this enough that it ranked... What is this,

51 now? 51, yes. The fact that it ranked 51 on

this list shows that they did a great job of

redoing something, staying true to the original,

but still doing a great job of updating it for

a new audience. And just for, I know there was

a lot of people out there that probably thought

this was not going to make our list. So hopefully

they're still listening and still tuning in because

I think this gives our list some credibility

since IGN somehow did not put this on their list.

And for all those people that didn't think we

were going, to. Sorry, you're wrong. We recognize

the greatness of the Turtles. Yes. So let's see

what makes our top 50. 50. I am Adam, Prince

of Eternia, defender of the secrets of Castle

Grayskull. This is Cringer, my fearless friend.

Fabulous... I find it very interesting that this

one is back -to -back with the 2003 remake or

reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show.

Our first entry in the top 50, and I'm actually

going to say for the first time in this episode

that this is a perfect placement for this, the

2002 version. of Masters of the Universe. Wait

a minute, they remade Masters of the Universe?

Oh my goodness, if you have Masters of the Universe.

You didn't know that? I didn't even know this

existed. You need to go get it. I'm going to

sit out right now and just let you guys talk

about this. No, you seriously need to go get

it. You can get the complete series in one set.

It's like just one box set and it's only like

$20 or $30. It is some of the best writing and

one of the best reboots of a classic franchise

I think I've ever seen. Once again, IGN did not

rank this. I had it at 26. Mike, you had it at

22. Chris from Chicken Pop Hot had it at number

2. Ryan had it at number 18. Two Annie nominations,

a Daytime Emmy win. The only bad thing about

this series is that it got cut before they finished.

Yeah. Kevin and I can really talk about this

because we pretty much watched, well, at least

I watched the entire series over a three -day

period. Kevin watched it over like a ten -day

period. You know, I've said this before, and

if people haven't heard me say it, you'll hear

me say it now. The original He -Man and the Masters

of the Universe, the 1980s version, was single

-story. It was single episodes, no continuity

whatsoever, and they were like mini -movies.

This one, the He -Man and the Masters of the

Universe 2002 cartoon, this actually gave you

continuity of... It started out at the very beginning.

And the character development was epic. Yeah,

the character development was so great. It started

out at the very beginning with Randor being one

of the king's head guards or something or other.

And they give you this whole backstory of how

Skeletor became Skeletor. And every time they

brought a new character in, the design was perfect.

The look was perfect. It's one of those things

like... David said in the last one, this is a

franchise that you have to be very careful when

you redo it or when you reboot it, as is Transformers,

G .I. Joe, Turtles, et cetera, lots of them.

And for them to do this, and I think to a person,

every He -Man fan was just about happy with this

one. Oh, yeah. And to make that possible, I mean,

the character designs are good. The storytelling

is good. They actually develop their characters.

I can't say enough good stuff about this. I'm

not saying it should be any higher than 50. I'm

just very, very happy that it came in at number

50 and that we ranked it since IGN didn't. Exactly.

The last thing I'll say before Steve goes is

when I first saw this, when I first watched it

from episode one. I thought they were going to

have the same theme song because it starts out,

it starts out, you know, I am Adam. Yeah. And

then all of a sudden you have all this action

going on and you get no voiceover. They basically

interrupt him. Right, exactly, because this is

a Skeletor that ain't going to wait around for

people to say stuff. Well, and like I said, it

ran for 39 episodes, and it cut off right when

it was about ready to hit its climax and to become

even way more epic. They're bringing Hordak in,

they're doing the Snake Manor in there, and it

was about to go apeshit crazy, and for some reason

the show got the axe, and I really wish they

would have been able to finish it because it

looked like it was going to be phenomenal. Now,

correct me if I'm wrong, was this on Cartoon

Network? I'm actually not sure. I want to say

that it was. Okay. Which would explain why it

got killed so quickly. Yes, it was. And Cartoon

Network has this thing where they have to axe

a show right when it's getting good. And it's

not probably just Cartoon Network, but I think

it's primarily Cartoon Network is like, yeah,

we're kind of done with this concept. Next. And

they have their assembly line moving forward.

As for this show, granted, I don't have it on

my list either. I think I overlooked it. But

from what I have seen of this, this show is freaking

awesome. The writing, the voices, the new versions

of the characters are just freaking badass as

all hell. Yeah. I want to give a shout out. We'd

be remiss if we didn't say the guy that was behind

it all in this series. Mike Young did a phenomenal

job with this. I know you haven't seen it, Double

D, but any thoughts? It sounds really good. That's

my thoughts. It sounds great, I guess. I think

it's a great start to the top 50. 49. I believe

we've outdone IGN once again. So we went from

the 2003 Turtles to the 2002 He -Man to the 2008...

Clone Wars, The Clone Wars. This is the complete

CG, 3D, whatever you want to call it, Clone Wars

that started in 2008. It's still going on. IGN

ranked at 89. I think we did much better because

I actually do think this deserves a spot in the

top 50. We might have different opinions on this

one because Mike and I are the only ones that

had it in our top 50. Mike, I'll let you talk

first about this one in comparison to the other

one, too. This is another one that... I'm the

type of person that if I don't catch on to something

when it first starts, I want to wait until it's

either done or until, you know. I've seen bits

and pieces of this, but from what I've heard

and from what I have seen, just amazing, amazing

storytelling. As Kevin said, it's still running.

I believe they just wrapped up their season three

finale just happened. Just the way that they're

expanding the Star Wars universe with this cartoon

and they're paying homage to all these different

things. So many characters. Yes, so many. Even

Jar Jar had an episode for Pete's sake. You know,

it's just amazing, amazing storytelling. They

brought Qui -Gon Jinn. They brought Liam Neeson

back. for a few episodes as a quote -unquote

ghost spirit thing. It was very, very, very cool.

What sells me on this one over the 2003 version

is 100 % visual. Oh, yeah. I would say the storytelling

a little bit as well. There's a few really corny

moments in the 2003 version, and you don't get

as many of those in this one, I find. It's like

almost without even seeing the show, though,

you can just tell that this one's going to be

better somehow. Yeah, it's also... aimed at a

little bit of an older audience, I think, than

the 2003 version, because this is actually a

surprisingly dark show. They're not afraid to

kill clone troopers in each episode. But, yeah,

it's a very well -done show. It's one of those

more recent shows that I think definitely does

deserve to be on the list. I don't know about

top 50, but definitely top 60 material, in my

opinion. Birdman had a number 13. I just want

to bounce off of what Double D just said, that

maybe not top 50. Steve, does this not quite

deserve top 50 in your book? I would probably

say, I mean, granted, I haven't seen diddly squat

of the show, but everything I have. heard of

it and seen as far as the visuals and the voicing,

I'd have to say it's good. I probably would have

to agree with you guys. I would say that this

would definitely be a top 60s. See, I think as

long as it fell somewhere in this episode, I'm

fine with wherever it would have fallen. Yeah.

So I'm happy with it. I think it was better,

is better than the 2003 version, so I'm happy

it ranked ahead of it. And I think IGN at 89,

that's a little too low. Again, I'm going to

make the comparison like I did with the Turtles

cartoon. Basically, you have Clone Wars. That

was the 2003 version. Now you have this version,

The Clone Wars, where Clone Wars was kind of

a campy type of thing. It did have some story,

but those were technically shorts. I mean, they

weren't an overall cartoon series. They were

a series of shorts. And with this, you have entire

season arcs, entire stories. Every time I see

an advertisement on Cartoon Network for this,

it makes me want to watch it, but in the back

of my mind, I'm like, why am I going to jump

in now and not know what's going on? And the

only bad thing about this series is in order

to buy the seasons, you have to be rich. Seriously.

The seasons are ungodly expensive. But it's because

they put a ridiculous amount of bonus features

on them as well. Another thing, too, to note

is that this series, although it's sort of a

remake of the 2003 series, it doesn't ignore

that series either. A good example is the character

of Asajj Ventress was invented for the original

2003 series. She never appeared in anything before

that, and she's still in this series. So it's

not like they're ignoring that continuity. They're

just doing a more expanded, sort of a fuller

version of it, which is cool. Right, yeah. 48.

Yogi Bear is smarter than the average bear. Yogi

Bear is always in the ranger's hair. At a picnic

table, you will find him there. Stuffing down

more goodies than the average bear. I've got

to say, we're completely owning the IGN list

so far in this episode between the ones that

they didn't rank and the ones that they didn't

rank high enough. And this is one of the biggest

travesties of the IGN list, the fact that the

Yogi Bear show did not show up on their list.

I don't even think we need to mention how stupid

the IGN list was anymore. It's a given at this

point. I don't know. Maybe their theory is it

was part of the Huckleberry Hound show, but that's

bullshit because it spawned off its own show.

I actually don't think we have this high enough.

It's 48 on our list. This, to me, is top 20.

This is the show that made Hanna -Barbera what

it is. It spawned. If it wasn't successful, we'd

never get any of the Hanna -Barbera classic shows.

I would say that the Flintstones was probably

Hanna -Barbera's most memorable show. But Yogi

Bear is a fantastic show, and I'm glad it appeared

on the list. I'd say it's right about where it

belongs, personally. I think the difference was

Flintstones was supposed to be the primetime

show more for an older audience, whereas the

Yogi Bear show was like the cartoon for kids

type thing in the daytime. And actually, as far

as when it happened, Flintstones comes a little

bit later, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. And

the Yogi Bear, if I'm remembering back from our

ToonCast time, and I'm not going to say any episode

because I'm not trying to pimp it out or anything,

but they went originally at their very first

pitch as far as this went. When Huckleberry Hound

came out in 1959, this is what actually sold

Huckleberry Hound, was that Yogi Bear was a part

of it. And so even though the Yogi Bear show

didn't start until 1961, it was actually around

a little bit before the Flintstones, if I'm getting

my facts right. But anyways, I just think it

should be top 20. I mean, I think without its

success, we don't get a lot of what we got from

Hanna -Barbera. Mike, what do you think? No,

Yogi should so be a little bit higher. It was

just so, so awesome to have, you know. It's just

a fun, fun show. Well, it's a fun show. Actually,

if you look at individual characters and how

many times a character has shown up in another

show, in another movie, or something like that,

obviously you get your Batmans and your Spidermans

and stuff like that. But Yogi Bear is one of

the most iconic characters ever. He has shown

up in at least 20 different television shows,

movies, or whatever, which is up there with,

I don't know, Bugs Bunny and those types of characters.

I mean, Yogi Bear is iconic. Yeah, I would say

he's probably one of Hanna -Barbera's top five

most popular creations. Definitely stupid of

IGN to not include this on their list. Even though

it only ran for two seasons, it didn't last a

very long time, but it still... Everyone remembers

it. There are shows that could have ran for five

or six years that people have forgotten, or that...

just aren't that great but this show ran for

a short time and it was amazing so and and it

spawned off it was kind of like one of those

even though the original show only lasted that

long it's one of those like scooby -doo where

it spawned off all these different versions of

itself and you had like yogi's gang you had like

yogi's uh treasure Yeah, he showed up in the

Laugh Olympics and all these different shows.

I mean, there was probably like 15 different

shows that Yogi starred in over three or four

decades. You had Yogi's Kids, which was, you

know, all the way in the 80s they were still

making Yogi's cartoons. And since we mentioned

it with Smurfs, we should mention the live -action

Yogi that just, did it already come out? Yes,

it's out. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but I haven't

heard anything good. At least we ranked it, and

at least we gave it top 50. Steve, you did not

vote for this. Do you think it warrants top 50,

or at least are you happy that it's on the list

somewhere? Yeah, I would say I'd rate it top

50. I don't know what the fuck I put on my list.

Some of them, I'm like, why didn't I have these?

And then some of them, I'm like, why did I even

bother putting these? This show, I did like watching

this when I was growing up, and this is one of

the few that I can still watch now that's from

that time era. So I definitely think it does

hold up pretty well. I do see that it is too

high up there on the list, or too low, depending

on how you're looking at it. You think it should

be higher? Yes, I think it should be much higher

than where it's at, and I think it should be

higher than what IGN gave it. Well, IGN didn't

rank it at all. That's right. Yes, and IGN is

nothing but a bunch of fucking asshats for not

even having Yogi Bear on their list. How could

you not have such an iconic show on the list?

Do we even have to continue mentioning IGN at

this point? Yes, we do. Idiot Gaming Network.

We've made our point. Idiot Gaming Network. The

bottom line is Yogi Bear deserves to be on the

top 100, and I think it deserves to be higher

than 48, but at least it's in the top 50. 47.

Another franchise heard of for the first time

now. We've had a lot of comic book series with

three different Spider -Man entries and a Batman

entry. And at number 47, we receive our first

Superman entry. Superman the Animated Series

from 1996. Also one of the first times so far

in this episode where IGN has actually ranked

something higher than us. Let's start with Steve.

Superman the Animated Series coming in at 47.

You agree, you disagree, and will this be the

only Superman series that makes the countdown?

I disagree. I think it should be higher because

this is the definitive best Superman cartoon

series. Granted, there aren't very many of them

compared to, like, Batman or, say, Spider -Man.

I would actually disagree with that personally

because I had the original Max Fleischer Superman

series. I think I had that as, like, number nine

on my list. Although I do love this series, but

I would say that's the definitive one personally,

though I doubt it's going to make the list, but

we'll have to see. No, see, I love this series

because of not only the graphics or the animation

style or the writing, but I love the consistency

with the rest. This is what kind of bridged the

gap between... Batman the Animated Series and

Justice League and got everything rolling through

there. Plus, you have a great voice cast. This

starts the many crossovers that you'll see through

the DCAU. I used to watch this show when I'd

watch Batman because everything was pretty much

back -to -back back then. I just loved it. So

we got one person that's saying that this is

the definitive, one person saying that the early

classic Superman is the definitive. Mike, break

the tie. The Max Fleischer show is a product

of its time. While it is still good, it so is,

no. It is good. It was very awesome for the time,

but those adventures were just so there. Even

back then, I think, you know, For me, it didn't

really capture me. It was a different time, though.

Now cartoons are more linear and you can bring

back characters and stuff like that. Back then

it was almost expected. to have like a different

plot in each episode. And it was more about Superman

kind of, uh, there'd be like a volcano going

off or something and he would have to figure

out a way to stop it. I mean, it was still thrilling

in its own way. It was just kind of different,

a different form of storytelling, but no, I definitely

agree that this deserves to be on the list. I'm

very happy that it is where it is. And I'd even

say it could be a little bit higher. Oh yeah.

It's so needs to be higher. you know, like Steve

said, this is what, I mean, Batman the Animated

Series is technically mini -movies. They're mini

-individual movie -type episodes. and it really

is on its own. Superman the Animated Series,

specifically the episode Ghost in the Machine,

is where all of the continuity starts, as far

as that goes. And I know specifically that the

producers, Bruce Timm, James Tucker, all of them,

Dwayne McDuffie, may he rest in peace, all those

guys, they didn't set out to make the continuity,

but by the time they got to Justice League and

Batman Beyond, they were like, oh. We can tie

this into this. We can tie this into this. So

really, this is where it starts. And voice acting,

oh, my God. Tim Daly as Superman was awesome.

Dana Delaney as Lois Lane. Perfect casting for

Lois Lane. Dana Delaney's voice for Lois Lane,

to me, is the definitive Lois Lane out of animation,

live action, anything. I would have to agree

with you on that, actually. Whenever I'm reading

a comic book and Lois Lane's character is in

it, that's sort of the voice that's going through

my head. So this show did have fantastic voice

acting, great animation, and a lot of really

good characters as well. I remember... I think

my favorite episodes were the ones that had Metallo

in them, a very well -developed character for

a superhero villain. Yeah. So is this one of

the rare instances, this episode, where IGN actually

got us one time here since they had it at 36

and we had it at 47? Yeah, probably. I mean,

we're not so far off. I mean, I still think this

is at least top 30 material, maybe 28, 27. And

the other thing that really, really hit home

with the continuity with this series, not just

Ghost in the Machine as far as tying everything

back, this was the first crossover. World's Finest,

the three -parter, where you had Batman and Superman

meeting for the first time. You had Lex Luthor

and the Joker teaming up, and then Batman and

Superman teamed up. Anyone that says anything

against World's Finest, a .k .a. the Batman -Superman

movie, you are fucking dead to me. Because that

three -parter was just amazingly written, amazingly

voice -acted, and it told a fluid story, and

it's one of the greatest things about this series.

Why would anyone say anything against that? Oh,

there's crazy people out there. I like IGN. Is

this legitimately top 30, Mike, or is that your

superhero bias playing effect? No, it's legitimately

top 30. There are a few episodes in Superman

the Animated Series that aren't so, so great,

but for the most part, legitimately, I wish it

was at least top 30. Even if it came in at like...

I said 27, 28 earlier, but maybe 30 or 31. I

think it needs to be a little bit higher. Overall,

very, very well done. It's just amazing. Go ahead.

The only criticism I maybe have for the show

is I don't think it was quite as memorable as

Batman the Animated Series in terms of tone and

storytelling and stuff. But I think for me personally,

that's just because I've always liked Batman

more than I like Superman. But it's probably

the best way that they could have ever brought

Superman to the small screen for that era, I

guess. Steve, I just want to go to you for a

second, and then I actually want to stay with

this one for a little while, but Steve, did IGN

get this one better than us at 36 compared to

47? I would... I don't know. I wouldn't give

it a 36, but I would still have it closer to

40 than where it's at. So, like, in between,

basically? Yeah, kind of a happy medium between

the two, because I don't think that it deserves

where it landed, and I don't think it... deserves

where IGN put it. I kind of agree with your whole

statement, Dave, that you just gave between Batman

and Superman, that Batman, for me, is more...

my favorite than Superman, but this was still

a great cartoon. And that's why I want to stay

with this one for a second longer, because I

mentioned that this is the first example of,

you know, this was another franchise that we

hadn't heard of. Obviously, we've talked about

Batman, and we've talked about Spider -Man. I've

got two questions for all you guys. The first

one I want to start with is... Do we expect to

see any other superhero franchises that we have

not seen somewhere in the rest of this top 50?

I mean, we've seen Spider -Man, and we've seen

Batman, and now Superman. Are there any others

we should see? Oh, yeah. X -Men is probably the

big one that comes to my mind. The 90s X -Men

series. I mean, there was also X -Men Evolution,

which was okay, but... What about stuff like...

Yeah, that definitely should be on there. What

about stuff like Fantastic Four or just other

superheroes that are nothing like that? Iron

Man? They were good in their time, but... Go

ahead, Dave. Yeah, I remember the Iron Man series

being okay. I think he actually had an episode

in the Spider -Man show before. Yeah, that's

where it started. But I don't think any of those

are really good enough to be in the top 50. I

think if anything like Fantastic Four or Iron

Man had appeared, it would be in the lower 50

probably. So a possibility of maybe seeing or

hoping to see some X -Men or something like that.

And other than that, maybe... Hopefully, if the

90s X -Men series doesn't appear somewhere on

this list, then I'll be a little bit pissed off,

personally. So will I. It's a classic. Is Superman

the worst out of the franchises we've talked

about so far? Is Spider -Man and Batman just

superior franchises? No. I mean, well, specifically

to Superman the Animated Series, it's, as I already

said, you know, it basically started the DC animated

universe continuity. It... is its own thing,

where I said that, you know, Batman, the animated

series, is technically like many movies. Superman

was more serialized. It was more... But isn't

Batman and Spider -Man both better than Superman?

No. I'd say that... I mean, you know, people

like them for... It's a personal preference.

Yeah, I'd say it depends what you're looking

for, really. Spider -Man was a little bit cheesier,

a little bit more on the sci -fi side of things.

Batman was a lot darker, and then Superman's

kind of in between the two, almost. Gotcha. I

just never have liked Superman anything. I don't

know why. But I think it'll be interesting. Like

I said, we'll see if we see any more Batman or

Spider -Man, and now that you guys bring up X

-Men, we'll see if we see that. Thank you. So

previously, I don't know if it was the last episode

or the first episode, we mentioned some stuff

about Nickelodeon shows and if we would see another

one. And making its spot in the top 50 here at

number 46 is a Nickelodeon show, and it is the

one that we thought we might see, and that is

Rugrats. Fucking hell. Shut up, Mike. Before

Mike does whatever he does with shows that he

doesn't like, I want to at least look at the

facts here. From 1991 to 2004, it was on. It

had nine different seasons, 173 episodes. It

spawned multiple movies. Rugrats All Grown Up,

another show. Eight people voted for it. It's

getting nominations and awards out the wazoo

as far as Annie's and Emmy's. In my opinion,

before we let Mike talk, this definitely deserves

a spot in the top 100. It definitely deserves

a spot. In my mind, right around 50, whether

it's on the other side of 50 or this side of

50, I think this is a quality show that a lot

of people watched over a decade, and I think

it warrants a spot. Mike, go ahead. I was kind

of hoping to talk before Mike. Go ahead. The

only thing I'm going to say really quick is you

need to switch. Number 70 with this. You need

to put Doug here and put Rugrats at the fucking

far end of the countdown. Okay, I'll agree with

that, because I definitely think Doug was the

way more intelligently written Nickelodeon show.

But I also grew up with Rugrats as well, so I

do have kind of a soft spot in my heart for this

show. And it was a good show. I mean, there's

a reason why it lasted so long, and then it had

all these movies made out of it and everything.

It was just a fun show, I don't know. To me,

Rugrats has a bigger following, though, than

Doug. Whether Doug was a better show or not,

Rugrats was the one that was more popular, I

guess. I think it's because Rugrats had more

of a universal appeal. I think Doug had a very

specific audience. I think it was aimed more

towards males, kind of in a little bit of an

older age range. Rugrats was more of a show that

guys and girls could watch, and it reached...

Sort of an all -ages, well, not all -ages, but,

you know, it reached kind of a wider crowd, which

I think is why it showed up higher on this list.

I think it could have gone a little bit lower,

but I think I feel the same way as you, Kevin,

that it should be somewhere around the 50 mark.

And looking at the people that voted for it,

Dodd had it at 38, PixelDan 49, Ryan at 52, and

both of us at 58. So we all kind of had it around

that middle part. You know, one person had it

at 72, and a couple people had it in their top

20. I gen hit at 92nd, and I think that's too

low. I think it's definitely better than that.

Yeah. I don't understand what your hate is exactly

for Rugrats, Mike. One of the reasons was at

the time I was living with some friends who had

kids, and that's all the kids would watch because

technically this is a kids' show. This is like

an age. It doesn't mean it's bad. Four to 14.

type of cartoon. This is not something at the

time... I just... I don't know. Whatever. It's

just one of those things where it just didn't

appeal to me whatsoever. And it was one of those

things where if I had to choose, I would rather

watch Bobby's World than watch this. I'd actually

agree with you on that. Oh, I'd rather watch

Bobby's World, too, but I don't know. You can't

discount it just because it's a kid's show. You

rank Smurfs pretty high. Yeah, but Smurfs was

a dick. No, specifically when I say kids show

coming to Rugrats, Smurfs were not little babies.

Yeah, but Rugrats was basically the Smurfs for

the 90s. It was, really. Steve, weigh in. I would

have to say that although it was not on my list,

I would say that Rugrats is definitely one of

those influential shows for some people. You

either got it or you didn't. And I personally

don't care for the show, but my wife grew up

on it. And there's only like a year and a half

difference between the two of us. And she loved

the show growing up. So, I mean, I can see it

was either a hit or miss. You either liked it

or you didn't. And if you liked it, it's one

of those great shows that you just kind of followed

all the way through. Whereas if you just didn't

give a crap, that's why it isn't on your list.

Right. But I would say that it does deserve to

be here. Yeah. Like I said, I just fall back

on that, too. Anything that shows up for nine

seasons and continuously gets renewed, that quality,

at least in a manner of doing what it was supposed

to do as far as being popular for its demographic

or its ratings, had to be there. I think what

I liked about Rugrats, too, was it was a surprisingly

innocent show for during the 90s when you had

stuff that was going more for edgy, like Ren

and Stimpy or Rocko's Modern Life. Then you had

Rugrats that was a lot less edgy, a lot more

kind of simplified and innocent for younger kids.

So it kind of went against the grain a little

bit, which was nice. I will say, though, that

it started off better than it ended. Yeah. You

can definitely see a quality difference if you

watch the original episodes from, like, 91, 92,

and then watch some of the newer stuff. It's

just not really as good. But, I mean, you're

going to run out of ideas after a while once

you have that many seasons. True. So we did see

another Nickelodeon show on the list. I don't

know if we'll see another one or not, but at

least we've seen... Two or at least one more

since we talked about Doug. 45. So, uh... Coming

in at 45, another classic. Like I said, we haven't

had a lot of them, but we've been getting a little

bit more of them lately, and that is Jetsons.

Funny that it came in 46 on IGN and comes in

at 45 for us. I'm actually okay with this. I

could see it being a little bit higher, but I'm

okay with it at least being in the top 50. It

was around in the 60s. It came back and made

a revival in the 80s. To me, this is always the

second -rate. I mean, it's basically Flintstones

in space, so I'm okay with it being about right

where it is. Mike, you had it at 51, so is it

about right for you too? I kind of wish it was

top 40, like either right at 40 or 39. And, yeah,

I kind of ranked it a little bit higher or a

little bit lower on my own list, but that was

because of other reasons. As far as it being

the futuristic version of the Flintstones, I

kind of will agree with that. However, one of

the best things about the Jetsons for me specifically

was... The crossover. When the Jetsons met the

Flintstones in that crossover movie they did

back in the 80s. That was just so, so awesome.

I thought you were going to say the Jetsons movie,

like the actual movie. Oh, no. No. I did just

make a page for the Jetsons meet the Flintstones.

I loved that movie when I was a kid. I don't

know. I haven't seen it in a while, but when

I was younger, I adored the Jetsons movie. That

was like the one thing that I actually really

liked about the Jetsons. I liked the Jetsons

because I've always been a sci -fi fan, but if

you were to give me the choice of watching Jetsons,

since they're watching Flintstones, I would have

watched Flintstones. Oh, yeah. Flintstones had

way more intelligent writing. Jetsons almost

felt like they were going to fire three of the

writers from the Flintstones, and instead of

firing them, they threw them on a different show

that was basically a Flintstones ripoff. It's

not a bad show. I'm not saying it's bad. I think

it's good where it is on our list. But, yeah,

I agree with you that it's definitely... Just

the futuristic version of the Flintstones. And

it's almost like they made this show specifically

so they could do that Flintstones crossover.

Yeah, I don't know. It's like they had that in

mind when they created it. I mean, if you look

at it, and before Steve goes, if you look at

it, I mean, yes, Fred and Wilma only had Pebbles,

and then Barney and Betty had Bam Bam, whereas

George and Judy have Elroy and Judy. It's kind

of almost the same thing. George and Judy have

Elroy and Judy? Whatever. You know what I mean.

George and Jane of Elroy and Judy. You know,

you have this thing of the shows are basically

mirror images of each other. It's kind of like

people always want to copy the Scooby -Doo method.

And it was just so good. But what really cemented

Jetsons for me was... When the Jetsons met the

Flintstones, because I just love that movie.

I remember when I was a kid, I watched that movie

more than enough times for the VHS tape to break.

Wow. I think I watched that movie like once.

Yeah, I watched it once. Steve, IGN 46, us 45,

you 43, so is this perfect? I would say so. To

me, I like this show, and although it wasn't

as strong as the Flintstones, it's still one

of those ones that you just can't deny it being

that high on the list. Yeah, I think it's a perfect

placement, actually. I mean, I could see it being

a little bit higher. As long as it made the top

50, I'm happy. So I think this is the first time

we've had 10 people. Half of our voters put this

on their list. IGN had it at 31. We put it at

44. It is the Muppet Babies. Ran for almost all

the 80s, 84 to 95 seasons, 107 episodes, three

Daytime Emmy nominations, five Daytime Emmy wins.

I think almost all of us voted for this one,

actually. All four of us voted for this one.

Let's just start with Steve. Muppet Baby's at

44. How do you feel? I feel fine with it. I mean,

it wasn't a bad show. It wasn't one that I particularly

watched all that often. I mean, it did last a

long time. But I think it's by no means should

have been rated any higher than where it's at.

I think this one and Smurf should have been flipped.

I think the reason... I'm just glad this outranked

Rugrats, to be honest with you. But I think the

reason why this showed up so high on the list

is because if you don't have any connection to

the Muppet Babies, then you're not going to care

about it. But I think anyone who watched the

Muppet Babies as a kid just loved it. I remember

watching this every day when I got home from

kindergarten. They had this show on, and I just

adored it. It was one of my favorite shows. I

think why I liked it when I was a kid was because

it didn't really talk down to its audience. It

sort of just talked at them, if that makes any

sense. No, I agree. It's what a good kid show

should be, I think. Well, Scotty and I had it

actually in the top 20. And the reason I did

that was because, for me, this was one of my

favorite shows when I was a kid. It's something

my sister and I loved. We loved, obviously, The

Muppet Show and all the Jim Henson stuff. And

this cartoon version, I loved the live -action

stuff that they put in there. This is one of

the first characters that I can remember, and

a lot of people have copied this, though, with

the nanny, one of the first characters that you

couldn't actually see all of. You never got to

see her face. It had a lot of... great characters.

So I had it higher. I'm okay with it where it

is. The only reason I said Smurfs maybe should

be higher is because Smurfs had a little bit

longer run, had 300 more episodes. So to me,

they should be near each other. I don't know.

I think in some ways, though, I think the Muppets

was almost the more... better read show yeah

then it was better written and better made i

think than the smurfs in a lot of ways i think

this the smurfs it was just more popular and

had more of a staying power well and the other

thing the muppets did really good is they had

the kids stuff and they had like the kid friendly

stuff but then they would go on these adventures

or go on these crazy things and it almost felt

like you were it reached Multiple audiences as

far as age groups. Yeah, and the Rugrats almost

did the same thing. Like I said, I'm kind of

glad this outranked it because it came first

and almost did the exact same thing. So you almost

wonder if Rugrats was just sort of copying this

formula. Pretty much. True. Well, then the other

thing the Muppet Babies did is they did comedy,

they did sci -fi, they did fantasy, they did

adventure, they did all these different types

of genres. They tackled it all. Mike, you haven't

said much. What do you think about this one?

I love this show. This is one of those shows,

along with The Muppet Show, that just... And

I know The Muppet Show is obviously the live

-action stuff, but just... It was so great to

be able to look through, you know, Cartoon Kermit

and Piggy and Rolf and Fozzie and all them and

Gonzo. And they just kind of took the Muppets

to a whole new level with this. Because there's

so much more you can do in animation with characters

like these. And it was just really, really great.

The only real thing I liked about the live -action

parts of this... was kind of like the door double

-take where Gonzo would open a door and he would

immediately shut it and then open it again to

see if it was real. But I specifically liked

the cartoon more than the live -action stuff

that was in it. Well, and you also have a phenomenal

voice cast in this. Frank Welker doing a lot

of stuff, Dave Coulier, Rusty Taylor, Peter Cullen

at times, Howie Mandel, Greg Berg. I mean, it

was a great voice cast. There's not much bad

you can say about this show. Don't forget Barbara

Billingsley. Yeah, as Nanny. But, I mean, there's

just not a lot of bad stuff that anyone could

come up with about this show, I don't think.

I mean, ten of us voted for it. Like I said,

I think everyone who ever was exposed to this

as a child, it had a major impact on them. It

won a ton of awards. Even back when it was actually

running, people respected how good it was written

and what was being done there. The nicer thing

about it is it wasn't the same old thing like

how Smurfs was. This was something totally different

pretty much every episode. So we kind of had

the 90s version of the show with Rugrats and

then the 80s version of the show with Muppet

Babies. What were kids watching in the 2000s?

43. Oh! Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?

SpongeBob SquarePants! Absorbent and yellow and

porous is he. SpongeBob SquarePants! Hypnotical

nonsense be something you wish. SpongeBob! So

from Muffet Babies to Rugrats to number 43, SpongeBob

SquarePants. Another one that's lasted a long

time, started in 99, and it's still going, folks.

Four of us had this in our top 20. IGN had it

in their top 20 at number 15. I'm not going to

list all the awards because it will take too

long. This definitely deserves to be in the top

50. I think it could have been a little bit higher.

And I'm not necessarily someone who grew up with

it. I'm not someone who watches it a lot. I just

respect how long it's been around and how many

people love this show. Let's go to Double D.

You had this one down at 93, so is this too high?

I'd say, yeah. I'd say this probably... I think

93 is a bit low. I think I just kind of threw

it in there as an afterthought, really. I think

this kind of deserves maybe to be somewhere in

the 60s or 70s. I do... Like, I respect SpongeBob

a lot. I just never really got into it, and I

think it's a little bit overrated. I think the

reason a lot of people like this, I hate to say

it, but it's because it's funnier when you're

high. I mean, kids like it because it's stupid

humor, but all the people our age that watch

this show and really like it are probably on

something at the time. Nice. But it at least

deserves a top 100. Yeah, definitely, definitely

deserves to be in the top 100. I just don't think

it deserves to be this high, but I definitely

understand the appeal of SpongeBob, and it does

have some hilarious moments. There have been

a few times where I've watched SpongeBob and

just laughed my ass off at stuff that just made

no sense, but I think that's why people find

it so funny. Yeah. Mike, how did this not make

your list? It was something that I hadn't really,

I knew of the popularity and stuff like that,

and I had seen episodes here and there, but it

was something that wasn't really on the top of

my mind of best of all time. Yes, I understand

that the popularity and the longevity of it is

great, and I will agree with what you guys have

said, that there are some bit parts, really,

really funny parts. Kevin, we've said this before.

We spent six hours on our lists. So it's like...

And Steve, I don't think you did vote for it.

I think that's supposed to be someone else's

name. That's supposed to be someone else's name.

So do you think this should not be on the list?

I think it should be on the list, but I don't

think it should be this high. I think it should

be above 50. Yeah, I don't know. I see it in

the top 50, but I... You mean below 50, Steve.

That's what I mean. I can see it either way.

Like I said, I'm not a huge fan, so I'm not going

to try to rally votes for it to be in the top

50 or anything like that. But I can see it in

the 40s. I can see it in the 60s. I think 43

is fine for it. It is an amazing show as far

as voice acting. Tom Kenny as SpongeBob. You've

got fucking Clancy Brown as Mr. Krabs. You've

got Clancy Brown, who was Lex Luthor in Superman

the Animated Series. He was the Kurgan in Highlander.

He was the head guard in Shawshank Redemption.

And this, it's like you wouldn't expect him to

do a voice like Mr. Krabs, but at the same time

you would. Honestly, and I know Kevin's going

to kill me for this, but the only reason why

I've started taking more notice of SpongeBob

now, and like I said, I just forgot about it

being on my list, about not being on my list,

but the only reason why I've taken more notice

of it now is because it comes on every Sunday

at 11 .30 right before Power Rangers Samurai

on Nickelodeon. You are so lame. Shut up. Thank

you. Thank you. Shut up. 42. All right, I know

Mike's about to have a fangasm here, but before

he does, I just got to say this is too high for

this show. It does not deserve to be in the top

50. I don't care what Mike says. Number 42 is

Masked Crusaders Working Overtime. Anyway. Yes,

no, thank you so much. I wasn't ready for you

yet, actually. I don't care. 42 is perfect. Okay,

I don't think it should be where IGN put it at

99. I don't think it should be there. I think

it should be in the 90s or 80s somewhere, probably

in the 80s. I voted for 56 just because I knew

a lot of people would leave it off their list.

It should not be top 50. It's a great show for

80s people, and it's cool. and it had a unique

idea and a different take on stuff, but it should

not be top 50, Mike. I know Phil, you, and Christopher

had it in the top 50, but let's be honest. So

did JT. Or that's my man. That's a little too

high. You know, it did only run for two seasons,

and I will fully admit that some of it is extremely

cheesy, especially with Matt Tracker's kid, Scott,

and that little fucking stupid -ass robot, T

-Bob. But one of the reasons why, you know...

that I absolutely loved it is because it's a

different take on... Honestly, it's a combination

of G .I. Joe and Transformers, and it's a different

take on it. And one of the other reasons why

I absolutely love this show is the theme song

and just the way that they did the transformation

of the cars and the people and all that stuff.

It's just great. And I think 42 is okay for it.

It's not top 40. It's not top 30. It's not closer

to the top. But for me, it's kind of like right

in the middle as far as where IGN ranked it and

where we ranked it. The toys were excellent.

The theme song is one of the greatest theme songs

ever. created for a cartoon. I don't know. To

me, I lumped this one in with Bravestar, Silverhawks,

Cops. They should all be, like, 70s, 80s, maybe,

somewhere in there. I don't know. What do you

think, Double D? I never really watched Mask

like I've heard of it. But it wasn't on when

I was watching cartoon shows as a kid. I guess

they just didn't air any reruns, and obviously

I wasn't alive when it was airing. So I just

kind of missed the boat on this one. So I don't

know if it's that good or not. Well, it's not

been on DVD, so you've had no way to watch it.

It's never been released yet. Oh, okay. Yeah,

I wasn't sure. Yeah, I don't really have much

of an opinion on this one. I think that's the

only reason why I sort of missed it on my list

was because I just haven't been exposed to it.

Yeah, I'm fine with it being top 100, but not

top 50. Steve, any thoughts on Mask? I would

have to say I don't really care for the show.

Yeah. It just wasn't one of those ones that I

grew up with or have any recollection of. I don't

know if it should be ranked this high. It's one

of the weird 80s action, just random niche shows

that somehow made it into the top 50. Yeah, and

see, I know it has a following, it has episodes,

it has all that crap, but it's still, I don't

think it's top 50 worthy. I think it should be

in the 60s somewhere. Yeah, and I have to agree

with you only because the fact that they weren't

showing any reruns of this when I was a kid and

that it hasn't really had that much of a lasting

cultural impact. I mean, the people who love

it really seem to love it, but I don't think

it really deserves to be this high. Yeah, I mean,

I'm not trying to rain on the people's parades

that rank this high. I mean, I know Mike and

JT and Phil and Chris were probably happy that

this is this high because none of them wanted

to see it down by 99. But you can't compare it

to those other 80s shows that have had different

incarnations, different stuff released, movies

or DVD sets or this or that. I mean, this does

not quite have the same following that some of

those did. No. 41. To me, this is another one

that you either like it or you don't. The people

that like it like it a lot. I recognize that

it's been on for 13 seasons and 255 episodes.

We're talking about King of the Hill at 41. To

me, I'm not a fan. Does it deserve top 100? Yes.

I'm fine with it where it's at because I don't

want it any higher. Mike? This needs to be much

lower. This needs to be really, really low 70s.

It is a good show, but I don't know. Every time

I catch an episode of this in syndication, because

I know Cartoon Network runs it a lot now on the

overnights. No. It's won a crap load of awards.

It's been on for 13 seasons. It's got some merit.

I just don't think it should be any higher than

it is. I'm fine with it at 41, though. I don't

think it needs to be in the 70s. Steve, do you

have any opinions on King of the Hill? Personally,

I don't think it should be where it's at. I agree

with Mike that it should be in the 70s. Okay.

But this is my reasoning for it. Not only is

the animation a little annoying to me, but the

show is pretty much one of those shows that you

can fall asleep watching because it's so boring.

I would much rather sit there and... Granted,

Simpsons has lost its tune a long time ago, so

I wouldn't sit there and say that it's better

than Simpsons either, but I would rather watch

Family Guy or Futurama over this. This show,

by no means, should be any higher than any of

those. Yeah, but we haven't seen Family Guy or

Futurama show up yet. Well, let's talk about

that before you give your thoughts on King of

the Hill. Since this is one of the first kind

of primetime, more modern cartoons, which other,

I mean, IGN's list was loaded with them. I know

a lot of them are Adult Swim or whatever, but

what other primetime cartoon shows should be

on this list or should we expect to see? If King

of the Hill is at 41, what else should we see?

Futurama, most definitely. Futurama has a great

list. Yeah, I love Futurama. Obviously, Simpsons

and Family Guy we should see. I'm not a huge

fan of Family Guy, but it deserves to be on the

list. Not higher than this, though. Yes, it does.

I'd actually agree with Mike. I'd rank King of

the Hill a little bit higher than Family Guy.

I think King of the Hill was one of the things

I forgot to put on my list. I have like five

or six shows that I just... forgot about to be

honest with you um i don't know i drank family

guy way higher than king of the hill i have to

agree with kevin on this one Well, the thing

is, King of the Hill had more memorable characters,

I think. I disagree. More developed plot lines.

Family Guy, you could have an episode. It probably

had more developed plot lines, but not characters.

Definitely. Family Guy, you could have an episode

that has a five -minute plot of Peter crossing

the road, and the whole time he's crossing the

road, he has flashbacks about thinking about

other times while he's crossing the road, and

that could be a Family Guy episode. I could write

my own Family Guy episode in 20 minutes if I

wanted to. It's just random pop culture. references

but i guess my point is though the you said character

wise characters there's the the characters in

family guy are way more saying family guy they're

a little bit too two -dimensional to be honest

with you and brian come on They're memorable,

but they're not... The characters in King of

the Hill, say what you will about the comedy

or the writing or anything, but the characters

are fleshed out way better in this show. Has

Mike even seen... Mike, have you even seen an

episode of Family Guy? Yeah, I've seen several.

Steve, chime in. I definitely agree with the

fact that characters are more fleshed out in

King of the Hill. I'll give you that. They have

more personality. They have more development.

I agree that they're more fleshed out. I think

they're more memorable in Family Guy, though.

They're more memorable in Family Guy only because

they have these batshit retarded conversations

that you know how it's going to go when they

start it. Yeah. Besides Family Guy, King of the

Hill, and Simpsons, and Futurama, any other primetime

adult cartoons that we should see on this list?

In fact, I don't even know if I can think of

any other ones. No, not really. I can see some

people saying South Park, but that lost its tune

way before Simpsons. I think South Park deserves

to be on the list. Yeah, I agree. Some stuff

that kind of didn't last as long and has been

a little bit forgotten. Obviously, we saw you

guys talked about The Critic the last episode.

Talk about excellent writing. South Park definitely

had some excellent writing. Whether you're a

South Park fan or not, you can't watch some of

those things and not be like, wow, that was clever.

I think also Robot Chicken probably deserves

to be on the list as well. That's not cartoon,

though, is it? Technically, it is. Yeah. I'd

consider stop motion as a form of animation.

Animation, you still have voiceover. You're still

putting a voice to something. So it's still technically

animation because they animate the action figures.

Another one that I love as well that probably

won't be on the list is the Dilbert cartoon.

True. I just think it's interesting that this

is kind of one of the first ones of these that

we've seen, and I'm interested to see what other

ones we have and what our reactions will be as

far as if and when they fall into the countdown.

But I think that kind of wraps it up for this

episode. We've gone from 60 down to 41, so we've

crossed the halfway point. We've given you the

10 on each side of the 50 mark, and we're down

to our top 40. Interested to see what happens

from here. So make sure you tune in to our next

episode to see numbers 40 through 21. And we

would like to thank Double D for giving us the

Twig representation here on this episode. Exactly.

Thanks for being with us. No problem. Thank you

very much. You've just heard 60 through 41 of

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