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Geekcastradio .com presents The Geekcast Radio
Top 100 Animated Series of All Time Megatron
Phillips, Mike TFG1 Blanchard, Kevin Optimus
Solo Thompson. Welcome back to The Countdown,
everyone. Last episode, you heard the first 20
entries on the GCRN Top 100 Animated Series of
All Timeless, and today we will continue with
numbers 80 through 61. We also have another special
guest with us, making his podcasting debut on
our network, and it is our GCRN UK affiliate,
Phil Wheat from Blogomatic 3000. Hello, Phil.
Hi, how's it going? it's going well and it's
very early over there in the uk so we will uh
cut fill some slack here yeah yeah it's it's
now 3 30 in the morning good lord oh that's right
because we bounce our time forward and you guys
don't yep ah that sucks um and just real quick
before we get into the countdown like a dirt
mentioned last week this end of the countdown
you'll probably notice that it contains a few
more shows that might be questionable whether
they deserve a spot in the top 100 or not you
know this is the end that has some fan favorite
shows making their entries and some a little
bit more bias i think you're going to notice
as we move through this episode though that we're
going to start moving into shows that are what
i'm calling unquestionable or undeniable as far
as deserving a place in the top 100 So we should
see that trend. Also a reminder that Steve, Mike,
and Phil do not know which shows are coming up
next. The identity of each entry is being revealed
as we are doing our record. And that's because
Kevin did all the math, because we refused to
do it. Yes, that is exactly why. Because we're
not so smart with the numbers. So anyways, I
think that's about enough introduction. Let's
get right into it with our first entry for this
episode. So starting off our. List of episodes
today at number 80 is Care Bears from 1985. Actually,
three of us voted for Care Bears. I voted 63rd,
Mike had it at 58th, and Steve had it at 78th,
so Steve was the closest since it's coming in
at number 80. Let's start with Mike on this one.
Mike, what do you feel about Care Bears coming
in at number 80? Last episode I had mentioned
that there had been a couple where my jaw just
dropped as far as where they fell in the countdown.
This one I just kind of snickered at. I mean,
it was not ranked on IGN's list. Right, yeah.
I don't know, 100 episodes? Yeah. Care Bears,
see, the thing for me with Care Bears is, I guess,
because as a kid I always liked to sleep a lot,
so my favorite Care Bear was Bedtime Bear. As
a kid, mind you, not as an adult, I don't really
care anymore, but as a kid, that was my favorite.
Coming in at number 80, I can see because, as
I said, if you look at it as best of all time,
Care Bears was a great show in the 80s, but I'm
okay with it falling where it is. As far as its
demographic, as far as age and being maybe a
tiny bit more towards the, you know, not necessarily
a strictly female audience, but it was kind of
one of the better shows at that time for that
demographic. So that's why I don't necessarily
have a problem with it being on the list. I'm
glad it's kind of towards this end. Steve, what
do you think? Yeah, I'm definitely glad that
it's at least on the list because I do think
it was a memorable show that deserves to be on
the top 100. It wasn't one of my favorite shows,
but it was a good show nonetheless. And I did
watch it often enough to remember that it was
a good show. I actually had stuffed Care Bears
velcroed to my wall when I was a child. Did they
shoot rainbows? Yes. That's awesome. Phil, what
about your thoughts on Care Bears making it on
the top 100? Because you didn't vote for it,
so do you think it warrants a spot on the top
100, or do you think it should have been left
off? Personally, I think it's on the list. That's
pretty good, but I still think it's a bit high.
Care Bears, it was just to sell Teddy Bears.
Again, it was even more of an advert than, say,
Masters of the Universe. It was literally just
an advert. I don't think it deserves to be quite
so high. It did definitely fit that 80s category
of being an advertisement, like almost every
cartoon in the 80s, it seemed like. But, yeah,
I don't know. If it was higher, I would have
a problem with it. But I think 80, I don't know.
Steve, you had it at 78, so I think that's pretty
accurate. We'll see. We'll see what happens with
the rest of it, but I don't mind starting off
with Care Bears today. Let's see where we go
next. 79. Follow me to a place where incredible
feats are routine every hour or so. Where enchantment
runs rampant just wild in the streets. Open Sesame.
Here we go! Arabian Nights! Like Arabian days!
So coming in next at number 79, we have another
kid -friendly cartoon here with the 1994 series
Aladdin. What the fuck? Mike missed this one
by one. He had this one at 80, and it came in
at number 79. Steve, you had it at 69. Phil and
I did not vote for it. So let's start with the
people that voted for it. Steve and Mike, either
one, why does this deserve a spot? Steve, you
go first. Well, I think I rated this one 69 because
I remember watching it, despite the fact that
I was old enough that I didn't actually need
to watch it. But some of my favorite Disney movies
were the Aladdin series, and I always liked it
for the fact that, well, my favorite character
was the genie. So I pretty much liked watching
this whenever I saw it on. We should so put in,
sorry to cut you off, Kev, we should so put in
Genie's Line from the, I know specifically cartoon
series we're talking about, but we should so
put in Genie's Line from the movie. Phenomenal
cosmic powers. E .D .B. Living Space. You suggest
that no matter what we do with Aladdin. I think
it is so, it's such an awesome line. Funny thing
is I just watched that last night. I know, it
was on ABC Family. I have the DVD. Oh, well.
So, Mike, do you think it warrants a spot on
the list, too, since you voted for it? It does.
I just didn't... I mean, I just didn't think
it would come to... I didn't think that it would
be... I didn't even think it would make the list.
I mean, because I'm sure there's a lot of stuff
on my list, on Steve's list, Phil's list, Kevin's
list, anybody's list that has collaborated with
us that probably isn't going to make the countdown.
I just kind of... Like I said before, what the
fuck? Because it's like, really? But it is a
good show. Oh yeah, it was a very good show.
It was a nice continuation to the original movie.
Yeah, it doesn't fit in with the second two.
Yeah. It's a nice continuation to the original
movie. I liked it because it was part of... Disney's
attempt to, even though it's Disney's attempt
to cash in on stuff, but, I mean, they did it
fairly well. The writing went forward. The series
was very well done. The animation was good. It
was, you know, classic Disney television animation.
So coming in at 79, yeah, I can agree with it
being on here. It's like I said before and like
Kevin said before. For me specifically, I'm going
to have, like, these shocked reactions because
just, Just these initial shocked reactions just
because of, like, none of us outside of Kevin
know what is on the list. Kind of like last week
when Steve said, oh, fuck, to Magic School Bus.
Yeah. I don't know. Like, for me, I maybe would
have been okay if this one would have came in
somewhere in the 90s. I think 79 is a little
high, although based on the guys, there are six
different people that voted for it, and they
had it 80, 73, 69, and 69. Four of them did.
So, I mean, it seems like it's fitting in where
they thought it would be. I think if this makes
it at all, it should have been closer to the
very end of the list. I mean, it did win a couple
of awards. Again, it's another show that was
not ranked by IGN. I just think it's a little
high. What do you think, Phil? Yeah, I completely
agree. It's too high, way too high. I mean, it
wasn't on my list because the list was about
shows that aired in North America and Aladdin
didn't really, the TV show didn't really air
over here. It was one of those ones that was
kind of, years later, was crammed onto the Disney
Channel. We didn't really get it. At its peak,
we didn't get it. For me, it's a little high,
but, you know, it's nothing I can... I can live
with it. I can live with it. As long as it didn't...
If it was any higher, I would really have to...
Complain. I think if it was any higher than what
it is now, we would have to really, really rethink
this entire list. Well, for me, I feel like with
these types of series that are based off the
Disney movies, Mike's going to hate this, but
I feel the same way about the cartoon series
as I do about the sequels as far as those movies
go. I just was never interested in seeing more
than the original movie. I didn't want to see
a sequel. I didn't want to see a cartoon series
on it. So maybe that's just my bias. I mean,
as far as Aladdin goes, I mean... If you just
had the Aladdin, like say Aladdin never was a
movie and it was just a TV series, what they
did with the TV, what they did with the cartoon
series, I liked. The only instance that I will
disagree with you on your movie -hating sequel,
TV show -hating thing is Lilo and Stitch, but
that's a whole other story. So yeah. Well, let's
see if we can get to one that we can all agree
on eventually during this episode. Let's see
what comes in next. 78. Captain N, the Game Master.
So another interesting entry at 78 with Captain
N, Game Master. Now, I, again, for the third
one in a row, this is also not ranked by IGN,
so we have yet to have one in this episode that
was ranked by IGN. Now, you guys are across the
board on this because I didn't vote for it. Steve,
you had it 99. Mike, you had it almost in the
middle at 59. And Phil, you had it way up towards
your top. When we start with Phil on this one,
why did you have it at second, at number two
on your list? Why number two? Because it's one
of the best shows ever. It was a great... Yes,
I know, it was another... As in, I was all like,
this show's another advert for Nintendo, but
hey, it had one of the greatest premises. of
a cartoon. Who wouldn't want to be a kid pulled
into a video game and run around the world of
video games? It was definitely a unique concept.
Yeah, it was one of those shows, for me anyway,
it was a Saturday morning staple. It was one
of the shows that you would get up for and watch,
even though you shouldn't really get out of bed
at half past seven in the morning on a Saturday.
Yeah. That's why it's so high on my list, really.
Mike, how about why somewhere in the middle?
I mean, obviously you had it almost 20 spots
higher. Do you think it should be higher? I'm
okay with it falling where it is at 78. While
Captain and the Game Master did have its issues,
I will agree with Phil. was just an amazing series.
It was a very unique concept, and I remember
watching this cartoon over and over. I would
watch this in reruns. They would show episodes,
but then later on they would show the reruns,
and I always loved it because, like Phil said,
every kid... Between 19, well, really since Nintendo
came out in 85, but, I mean, since the television
series of Super Mario Bros. Super Show and Captain
N and all those, the Nintendo cartoons, as they're
called, ever since they aired, especially this
one, everyone wanted to be a kid inside a video
game world. And this captured that. True. Before
I let Steve comment, I do want to mention, throw
one thing out there. During our first episode,
usually shows that made it onto that episode
21, usually like three, four, every once in a
while five people might have voted on it. During
this episode, most of the shows are getting voted
on by five or six people. The other two people
that voted for this one were Pixel Dan from the
Pop Culture Network and Christopher Stapleton
from Chicken Pot Pod. Steve, you had it at 99,
so is this too high for you? No, I think it's
about fair. I had other shows that, in my opinion,
ranked higher. I'm not disappointed for where
it landed. I do think it is an impressive concept.
for a show which hasn't been done before or really
since the Nintendo shows. And I first actually
caught this on Netflix the first season. And
while it is somewhat enjoyable, some of the characters
which I had already been pre -exposed to, such
as Mega Man and where Ian James Corlitz in it
as Mega Man. No, he's Dr. Wily. No, he's not.
That's... Scott McNeil, look it up. No, in Captain
N. Yes, it is in Captain N. I'm saying I was
pre... Exposed. Pre -exposed to it in the later
Mega Man series, which had a better voice. Anyways,
before I rudely interrupted, yes. I wasn't impressed
with some of the voices and some of the character
styles, but... it wasn't a bad show overall.
Yeah, I don't know. This is one of the ones that
I debated on towards the end as far as when I
was trying to – I don't know if I've mentioned
this at all. I know we've mentioned that Mike
and I spent a good number of hours on Skype just
talking back and forth while we came up with
our list, even though our lists are completely
different. But I at one point had – what did
I have, like 200 or 160 or 150 that I was trying
to – You had like 150. Yeah, and I was – You
had like 137. So I kept making cuts, and Captain
N was in that 150. It's just one that I eventually
cut so I had room for another one. I feel the
same with this one as I do with Aladdin. If it
was in the 90s, I wouldn't have a problem with
it. I think 78 is just a touch too high for me.
That's just me. I understand that it's a unique
concept, and it was probably one of the best
of its type as far as a video game cartoon. I
don't have a problem with it making the list.
I just think it's just a teeny bit too high.
But since you guys all liked it, I guess we'll
leave it where it's at, and we'll see if we can
get to one that's actually ranked on IGN's list
or whatnot with our next entry. So the trend
continues with another unranked IGN show at 77.
Although this one makes absolutely no sense why
it was not ranked on IGN's list. And that's Disney's
Adventures of the Gummy Bears. This show, I'm
going to go first because I have some strong
feelings on this one. First of all, IGN, you're
retarded for not putting this on your list. And
I actually wish it was higher than 77. I think
it deserves to be a little bit higher. It was
on for six seasons. It was nominated for a Daytime
Emmy. I just think this was one of the better...
Disney cartoons of the 80s, actually, of the
entire 80s. I mean, you know, there were some
other ones like Rescue Rangers and Tailspin and
stuff like that. But Gummy Bears, to me, is what
kind of turned me on to the Disney cartoons.
And it was just something that, you know, kids
of all ages could like. I had it ranked number
30. Pixel Dan had it 21st. Christopher Stapleton
had it 19th. So we all had it pretty high. But
I will give props to Phil and Mike because you
guys both had it coming in at 75, so it coming
in at 77 seems pretty on tap with that. But I
want to start with Steve, actually. Steve, this
one didn't make your list according to what I'm
going off of here. Not a big fan of the Gummy
Bears, or do you have a problem with it showing
up on the countdown? I wouldn't say I have a
problem with really anything that showed up for
the most part because a lot of it hasn't been
ranked at all by IGN, and I can see why people
had strong feelings for this particular show.
However, I had no pre -exposure to this show
in the past, so I actually had really no opinion
on it. So I voted on shows that I did know. or
had at least heard of in my list, and so this
one, of course, got left on the scrapyard. Yeah,
it was ranked by six people, so that's starting
to get a few more than usual. Mike, go to you
next. Since you had this at 75, are you pretty
happy that this fell where it did? Yeah, I am.
And the biggest thing about this one was, you
know, everybody remembers DuckTales and Tailspin
and Darkwing Duck and Goof Troop and all that.
If it wasn't for Gummy Bears and Disney taking
a risk on that show, none of those shows would
have happened. So, I mean, because Disney put
a lot of effort into Adventures of the Gummy
Bears. And, I mean, that theme song, I love that
theme song. It is one of the greatest theme songs
in cartoon history. Yes, very much so. Phil,
what are your thoughts on Gummy Bears and coming
in at 77? I think it's the right spot. It's one
of those shows where, like Mike said, it led
to a lot more Disney shows coming out. You know,
it's... It's... It's a good show for what it
is. It's one of those shows that, personally,
I didn't watch a lot of it, but, you know, it's...
It's on my list because of its influence. So,
yeah, I'm pretty happy where it is. Kind of had
that good combination of not only like you had
your little gummy bears, which are kind of kid
-friendly and whatnot, but then you also had
that medieval element, which kind of made it
appeal to a little bit of an older crew, too,
and some really good voice acting. So, yeah,
I think I'll agree with it. I mean, like I said,
I'd like it to be just a little bit higher, but
that's more my personal bias than maybe where
it really merits. I don't know. I don't know.
So far we've had some interesting, I mean, it's
almost like we've had some kid -oriented start
to the episode here with Care Bears, Aladdin,
and Gummy Bears. So I'm just kind of interested
to see how we go throughout the rest of these
20 episodes. So let's see what comes in next.
76. Doing our best IGN impersonation, we're reaching
our second of our Adult Swim entries, which is
still not as many as IGN had, with Space Ghost
Coast to Coast at number 76. It was on for 10
seasons. IGN had it ranked 37, which I feel is
way too high. Oh, yeah. A lot like Harvey Birdman,
Attorney at Law, which we had in episode 21.
Steve, you had it at 83rd. You're the only one
in the group that... voted for it. How do you
feel about it coming in at 76? I think it's about
fair. I wouldn't want it any higher on the list
than where it's at. I think this is pretty much
the perfect spot for it. I personally enjoyed
the show when I watched it, and I probably only
caught episodes here or there when their whole
late night... more adult television came on,
I just thought it was entertaining having some
of those characters blasting each other and having
real live people as guests and having Space Ghost
or Brack and Zorak attack them. But other than
that, I thought it was a pretty good show, but
I don't see why it went on as long as it did,
and I wouldn't give it a higher rating than where
it's at. Well, I think my major problem and one
of the things I took into account when I was
making my list is when you look at the adult
slim cartoons or those other cartoons that were
kind of more primetime cartoons during that set
of years, so many of them are basically using
the same formula or so many of them are the exact
same type of show that when I was creating my
list, I basically only had so many spots for
that type of show. And I wanted to take the best
of the best. out of them and then leave those
other ones. I didn't want to be like IGN. I didn't
want to have every freaking Adult Swim show in
here. This one, to me, was kind of a borderline
as far as if it would have made my list or if
it wasn't. I thought it was a little bit better
than stuff like C -Lab or Dr. Katz or whatever
and some of those other ones. I had this one
kind of with Harvey Birdman, and I was picking
one or the other to make it, and I went with
Harvey Birdman. I don't necessarily have a problem
with it being this spot, but I would have a problem
if it was any higher. Mike or Phil, neither one
of you guys voted for it, so let's get your opinions
on it. Why don't you go first, Phil? Yeah, Space
Ghost, Harvey Birdman, Sea Love 2021, I just
didn't get. The whole concept. Me neither. It's
not funny. It's, you know, and I saw the odd
episode of Space Ghost, you know, but I just
don't get it. I just don't get why they were
ever so quite so popular and why, you know, why
they even got made to be on this video. But,
yeah, I think it's a bit too high on the list
because, you know, is it really? There was a
lot more live action. There was a lot of live
action for an animated show, but a little high
for me, but we can let it slide for now. How
about you, Mike? When I first saw this, the first
thing I thought of was Space Ghost is Johnny
Carson and Brack is Ed McMahon. I mean, seriously.
I mean, Space Ghost is this really, like, kind
of down -to -earth type of co -host. He does
get loud a little bit. But Brack is just this
total brash... It's almost like polar opposites,
really, because, I mean, Johnny usually was the
one that was not really brash, but he was the
one kind of more outspoken, and Ed just kind
of followed along. But I didn't vote for it because
I just... Again, I don't think it's... Best of
all time. Yeah, I don't know. So far, I haven't
had any problems with the ones we've talked about
this episode yet. But, I mean, I think they're
around the top 100. They're floating around that
borderline for me. So I guess if other people
wanted to put them in, that's fine. But, yeah,
it just wasn't my cup of tea. Oh, goodness. Where
do we go from here? 75. And his amazing friends,
Iceman and Firestar. So our third superhero show
and our second Spider -Man show coming in at
number 75, Spider -Man and His Amazing Friends
from 1981. Also another one that was ranked by
IGN. It came in at 59 on IGN's list, 75th on
ours. Only four people voted for it, but two
of them had it in their top ten. Let's start
with Phil. Phil, you had this one in your top
ten. What do you like so much about Spider -Man
and his Amazing Friends? For me, Spider -Man
and his Amazing Friends is the Spider -Man show.
There is nothing better than... How many Spider
-Man series have they made over the years? Spider
-Man and his Amazing Friends is the pinnacle
of Spider -Man cartoons. You can't get any better.
Number 75 has been robbed. It's been robbed.
It should be higher. Well, you did get it into
the list with your high vote, you and Scotty
Cash. Mike, again, you've been pretty accurate
so far today. You had this one at 71, so Phil
thinks it should be a little bit higher. How
do you feel about it? I love it for its just
early 80s, kind of late 70s, early 80s kind of
cheesiness. I love the fact that Dan Gilvezan
was the voice of Spider -Man before he was even
Bumblebee. I'm going to have to kind of disagree
with Phil as far as it being the definitive Spider
-Man cartoon because I consider the 1994 Fox
Kids Spider -Man cartoon the definitive one.
But again, that's just my opinion. But as far
as this one goes, it was a really, really happy
type of Spider -Man. This wasn't like a dark
thing. And I have to make a comparison. Last
year, Spider -Man Shattered Dimensions came out.
which is a video game. They had gotten all previous
voice actors of Spider -Man, and Dan Gilvezan
was playing the role of 2099 Spider -Man, which
is a very, very dark character. And I liked how...
The producers of this game had gone back and
looked at all the previous voice actors for Spider
-Man and saw that Spider -Man and his amazing
friends was Dan Gilvezan and, like, really happy
-go -lucky type of sounding Spider -Man, whereas
in the game, the 2099 Spider -Man is very, very
dark. And I just, I... I'm happy where it is.
I don't have a problem with it coming in here.
It could have been a little bit higher, but I
don't think it should have been any lower. Now,
Steve, you're a superhero guy, etc. Why did this
one not make your cut? I mean, I've had brief
exposure to it, for one. And two, to me, this
was not Spider -Man. The early 90s Spider -Man,
that was Spider -Man to me. And, I mean, granted,
this wasn't a bad show. but it's extremely dated.
But I can see where it made the list because
it is necessary having this show in order to
form the later show. So it is a needed part.
I wouldn't necessarily say that I would think
it's top 100 worthy, but I would definitely say
it's more worthy than the previous 60s Spider
-Man. And it is higher. I was going to say, yeah.
I did want to bring this up since it was our
second Spider -Man, which is the first time we've
had, I think, a second incarnation of a franchise
here so far in the top 100. I know we're only
through about 25 shows, but any predictions or
how many Spider -Mans are we going to have or
how many Spider -Mans are worthy of being in
this top 100? I think if we see another Spider
-Man, it will be the 90s one. I don't know if
we'll see anything beyond that. And I certainly
don't think Spider -Man Unlimited or whatever
the hell they called it will be in the list.
But I do think the early 90s Spider -Man will
show up. Mike, agree, disagree? The early 90s
Spider -Man better show up or else I'm going
to drive to Illinois and kill Kevin. It's not
his fault. It's a collaboration. Okay, then I'm
going to pull a Jay and Silent Bob and fly everywhere
to kick some ass. Any other Spider -Man besides
the 91 that you want to see make the... 94 needs
to make it. The others that I know of, you've
got Spider -Man Unlimited, which technically
was a sequel to the 1994 series. And then you
have the new Spider -Man animated series, which
was the MTV series. That does not need to be
on here. And then you had... One last one, and
I'll let you go. And then you had the spectacular
Spider -Man, which I have not seen all of, but
I've heard great things about it. I don't know
if it's top 100 worthy, though. But 94, Spider
-Man, most definitely. Spider -Man, the animated
series. Better me on here. Well, Phil, you said
this one was the pinnacle of Spider -Man. In
your opinion, do any other Spider -Man shows
deserve to be on this list? Yeah, I mean, come
on. For me, it's the pinnacle. But, yeah, the
90 Spider -Man, it better be on the list. The
whole 90s period of X -Men, Spider -Man, that's
pretty much a new classic era. So if it's not
on the list, then I guess it's been robbed. But
yeah, we better not see any Spider -Man Unlimited,
otherwise there will be trouble. What did you
feel about the 60s one making it in the last
episode? You know, it's not the greatest of animated
shows, but it's that damn theme tune I think
that gets everyone. That's what it is. It's just
the theme tune. It's a great theme song. It's
a theme tune, yeah. But you guys, I mean, obviously
I'm not the superhero guy of the group, so I
know the least about the Spider -Man franchise,
but so far you guys are in agreement that we've
got it right as far as 60s one coming in earlier
and now this one and the possibility that we
have maybe the 90s one later? Yeah. Yeah. Well,
let's see what we go to next then. 74. So I believe
this is the first pre -1980s show to come in
the countdown for this episode. We're going all
the way back to the 60s here for some Johnny
Quest. Now, I will point out that this one did
tie Spider -Man and his amazing friends, but
through our tiebreaker process that we explained
in episode 20, Johnny Quest won out. I know this
is only on for one season. For me, I had it at
78. It's coming here in at 74. The reason...
I thought this franchise should be represented
somewhere in the top 100, and to me this was
the better of the cartoons of this franchise.
So I think this is just about a perfect spot
for Johnny Quest. Steve, you were the only one
of our group that voted for it. You had it down
at 95, so is this too high for you, or what do
you feel about this making the countdown? I think
I'm pretty satisfied with where it ended up,
just because this show was pretty iconic and
it was pretty fun to watch. Despite the fact
that it was severely dated by animation, it's
still the voice acting, the plot lines. Yeah,
the stories are still good. Yeah, everything
was still good, and it still holds true to today
that I think I could still sit down and watch
it. We had two people that had this. Well, one
person had it at 11 and one person had it at
4, so we had two people that had this in the
almost top 10. So it did get some pretty high
votes, and Double D had it right in the middle
of the countdown. Like I said, I thought the
franchise should be represented somewhere. Phil
and Mike, you guys did not have this on this
list. Is this one of the first ones that you
guys have a problem as far as it being on the
top 100? Mike, you can go first. I don't have
a problem with it. I think I kind of skipped
over it, and I think when you and I had talked,
like when we were first making our list, when
we were going through the master list of the
cartoons that you had emailed out to everybody,
you and I had to clarify that... We need to make
sure that this is the original Johnny Quest,
not the new, not the real adventures of Johnny
Quest. This one, this 60s one, I really liked
it mostly because my mom liked it. It was something
that she grew up with, and it was something that
I saw in the 80s in reruns. It was something
that Boomerang used to run. on their late night
stuff over on the Boomerang channel from Cartoon
Network. I'm happy with it being here. At number
74, I'm okay with it. I don't think it needs
to be higher or lower, but I think it fits right
in. It's kind of like looking for an L block
or a line piece. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said,
I just wanted the franchise to be represented
somewhere. Phil, what are your thoughts on Johnny
Quest? To be honest with you, I've never even
seen the show. I don't think it even made it
to the UK, so that's why it's not on my list.
So I'm pretty ambivalent either way. It's on
the list. And that definitely makes sense. And
like we said in episode 20, we have people all
over the place, and it's the same with some of
our... Canadian guests and people that contributed,
there's possibilities that there's shows that
didn't air there. Obviously, based on our location,
we've all been exposed to different things, so
that kind of makes sense that it wouldn't be
on your list. I don't know. I'm happy with where
it came in. I know, like I said, it was only
on for one season, so a lot of people have a
problem with stuff that was only on for such
a short time being on any top 100 list. I don't
know, it's just that franchise for me, and those
characters are kind of iconic. Yeah, it's the
characters, it's the franchise, it's the fact
that it was a Hanna -Barbera show, right? Yes.
Yeah, I mean, this along with any Hanna -Barbera
cartoon from that era. I mean, this goes along
just with the rest of them. Yes, it only ran
one season, but this isn't something like, say,
Oh, bonkers. Just is the first thing I can think
of. You know what I mean? This isn't something
that just gets like a one -and -done season.
This is something that they syndicated. This
is something that they showed over and over.
I'm sure they still show it to Boomerang, even
though I'm not exactly positive of that because
I don't have Boomerang. Friggin' digital cable.
Anyway. As we've said, it's a very iconic show,
and I think we can all agree that at 74, it's
a good fit for it. Agreed. I'm afraid to go to
the next one, but I guess we have to. 73. for
the show that could bring the whole countdown
to a screeching halt if I get carried away. Coming
in at 73. Yes! Good old Dexter's Laboratory.
Yes! For anyone that has ever listened to ToonCast.
Episode 9. Or any episode where I had to explain
to all of our iTunes reviewers, you should know
my feelings about this. I will say that it's
very interesting that IGN had this ranked at
72, and we have it ranked at 73. It was on...
None of our lists. And I would be fine if this
was not in the top 100, but I'll let Mike go.
Say what you want about the animation style of
Dexter. Say what you want about them trying to
rip off the Looney Tunes cartooniness style of
Dexter. Don't ever say the word Looney Tunes
and Dexter in the same sentence again. Oh, just
wait. When we get to Voltron, I'm making another
Power Rangers reference. But anyway. If it's
on the list. It better be on the list. Anyway,
Dexter's Laboratory. Say what you want about
supposedly where they wanted to copy the Looney
Tunes style of animation or the Looney Tunes
wackiness. This cartoon was one of Cartoon Network's
launching properties. This is what actually kicked
Cartoon Network off when that channel got launched.
Wasn't Cartoon Network on years before 96? No.
Oh, I'm thinking of something else. Yes, you
are. You know, this is what kind of launched
Cartoon Network along with Powerpuff Girls. And
a couple other things. I think having it here
at 73rd is fine. It probably could have been
a little bit lower, but it's still an overall
good cartoon as far as humor and stuff like that.
One of the reasons why I say that is not specifically
for the Dexter part of the cartoon, but it's
for the sub -cartoon that was inside Dexter called
Just Us Friends with Major Glory, Krunk, and
Val. Was it Val? Valhalla? It's not Valhalla.
It's Val Halen or something. It's a takeoff of
Van Halen, is what the character is. And I thought
that that was such a unique thing. And I don't
mind it being at 73rd. I know I'm making Kevin's
head explode at this moment. The only way I would
have been okay with this show making the countdown
is if it was like 100 or 99. That's the same
way I feel about Family Guy. The animation style
of this show turned me off of cartoons for almost
a decade. I cannot stand the look of this show.
So you hate all the Gennady Tartarski shows?
Yeah. Well, it was specifically the look at that
time period that you had, just the animation
style of like this, and a little bit kind of
like Powerpuff Girls, but not quite as bad. But
a lot of those shows at that time just seemed,
I don't know, I call it lazy animation just because
it seems like it was someone that wasn't talented
enough to... to draw a real character design.
But I'll get off my soapbox and let you, Steve
or Phil, you guys did not vote for this, but
what are your opinions on Dexter's Lab? I like
the show. However, I don't know if it necessarily
deserves to be on this. Technically, I pretty
much liked the original first incarnation of
it. Then they kind of relaunched with different
looks and some different voicing. And since then,
I hadn't really cared for it. It was more of
those things that I just watched because that's
all that Cartoon Network pretty much had. But
it wasn't a bad show, but I wouldn't rate it
in my top 100 list. Right. Phil, do you agree?
I have to say I agree with you, Kev. Yes. Shouldn't
be on the list. Terrible show. Thank you. Yeah,
it's the one where I thought, oh, what's this?
A new cartoon. Oh, yeah. And about, what, a minute
in, it's like, turning this off. It's awful.
Never. Yeah, I totally agree with you, Kev. Yeah.
No, shouldn't be on the list. See, Mike, I am
not alone. But as you said, we're very close
with where, I mean, I could see having a problem
if, like, IGN ranked it at, like, number 15.
I've got to say, the reason it's this, high on
our list is because somebody had it in their
top ten. Right, right. Which, I'm going to go
find that person and do bad things to them. Anyway,
that sounded bad. Well, it was one of your BBTA
guys. Yes, it was. I forgive you, Purple, but
that's a horrible choice. Unfortunately, I don't
think it's going to get any better for me with
the next one. Oh, no. So one of our more recent
entries on the countdown, we haven't had many
shows just from the last four or five years make
the countdown, and I'm glad that we have Phil
with us on this episode so hopefully he can talk
about this show a little bit because I absolutely
know nothing about this show. It was another
one that was only on for one season, and if you
couldn't tell from that theme song, number 72
is Death Note. Phil, can you enlighten us on
to the merits of this show? Well, Death Note,
the whole franchise, if you will, you've got
the manga that started it off, then you've got
the anime. It's one of those really interesting
concepts. You've got a kid who finds a book that
belongs to death and starts writing it and killing
people. What's not to like about that? But yeah,
it's... I will say the... Comparing it to the
original manga, towards the end, the actual series
gets a bit off kilter. But yeah, it was on my
list because of its actual cultural impact, if
you will. At least in the UK, Death Note is one
of the most well -known modern anime -struck
manga going. Okay. Well, that makes sense. Like
I said, and I've said this a couple different
times, any anime show that makes our list probably
is one of the better animes out there because
not many are making our list. So just the simple
fact that they make our list regardless of where
they fall should be a testament to the quality
of the anime. IGN had this one at 51, so they
had it a little bit... Higher on the list. All
four people that voted for it had it in the top
60. So according to them, this should be a little
bit higher. I think basically what happens here
is a lot of us just aren't as familiar with anime,
which is why it's fallen down to number 72. I'm
assuming, Mike and Steve, that you don't have
much to say about this one. I don't know. Steve,
have you ever seen this? Okay. Yeah, like I said,
unfortunately for our listeners, we're not going
to give you lots of insight on the anime, but
thankfully we had Phil here. Like I said, a couple
of these animes probably deserve to be even a
little bit higher on our list. It's just not
something that a lot of us watch in our geek
group. I think 72 is a good place for it, to
be honest with you. I ranked it high just because
of personal taste, but going off what we've seen
so far, I think 72 is a pretty good place for
it. Yeah, and Death Note ran from 2007 to 2008,
so that's why I said it was one of the more recent
ones. And we're going to stay in 2008 for our
next entry. 71. Like I said, staying in 2008
where this show made its debut, number 71, another
superhero show for us. This time, Batman, Brave
and the Bold. And obviously we have our superhero
experts here with the rest of you guys. And this
is our first Batman entry on the countdown. I'm
going to start with Steve because you had this
one much higher. You had this one at 31, which
is actually the same spot that JT had it. How
do you feel about Batman and Brave and the Bold
making the countdown, first of all, and coming
in at 71, second of all? Now, granted, I'm more
so a fan of Batman himself, but I think what
threw me into this one is, and I wasn't a frequent
watcher of the show, because I'm not a fan of
the somewhat animation and somewhat some of the
voicing, but I was more so a fan of when they
had crossovers where... especially this one episode
where they had Kevin Conroy playing an alternate
world Batman where he has powers like Superman.
Or not him, it's actually when the regular Batman
goes to that world. But in any case... Then they've
got Clancy Brown, and there's a Lex Luthor -ish
type character. There's a lot of crossovers from
guys from the DCAU, and there's some interesting
concepts played out through that. It's more light
than the DC animated universe, so I can see where
this appeals to people. It's not necessarily
one of my favorite Batman series, but it's not
a bad one either. Okay. I want to go to Phil
next, because, Phil, you had this one, uh, 66,
which was pretty close to where it came in at
71, so are you pretty happy that this one fell
where it did? Yeah, yeah, I'm happy where it
is. You know, it's... Batman, Breath of the Bold
was one of those shows that... I think all the
ones that have come after the, you know, Batman
the Animated Series have kind of suffered with
comparison, but Batman, Breath of the Bold, I
think... Compared to the Batman that came before
it, it's a bit more light -hearted. I think I
personally like it for the appearance of all
the DC characters. It's one of the shows, well,
not counting Justice League, obviously, where
you've got a lot of the DC Universe roster appearing.
It's a fun show. I always like when shows do
that, when they bring in a lot of different,
whatever you want to call it, crossover appearances
by stuff from the same company. I always liked
that. It gets props from me just for the fact
it had Booster Gold in it. That episode would
sell me with the biggest grin on my face ever.
Worst character ever. I hate Booster Gold simply
for what he was in Justice League Unlimited.
I hate Booster Gold. But anyway. This was nominated
for an Emmy. Before you talk, Mike. No, I know.
IGN did not rank this one as you did not rank
this one. So are you agreeing with IGN on this
one? Damn right. Before I get into my tirade,
I will say. Is this an ongoing show? Yes, it's
currently running now. Well, it's not currently
in production. It hasn't reached its end yet.
Yeah. Okay, I will say before I go into my tirade
that Brave and the Bold specifically is for Silver
Age comic book fans. They are bringing in all
of, like Phil said, all of these different DC
characters from the DC universe. They did do
some voice crossovers with the DC animated universe.
voice actors and stuff like that. But, and as
Phil said as well, it's a much more lighter,
kind of aimed towards kids type of show. I actually
prefer, outside of Batman the Animated Series,
which is above everything else for, I think,
anybody, I actually prefer The Batman to this
show for one simple reason. You have fucking
Oswald from Drew Carey, also known as Lawrence
from Office Space, as the voice of Batman. You
have Diedrich Bader voicing Batman. I just, I
cannot shake that. Well, that kind of leads me
in, since you mentioned the Batman, it leads
me into another question. I want to ask the same
question I asked with Spider -Man. Since this
is the first Batman and there's been so many
different versions or incarnations of Batman
cartoons, starting with Steve, how many Batman
shows warrant a spot in our top 100? Honestly,
I would say that obviously Batman the Animated
Series or The New Adventures of Batman and Robin
is basically the same show. I would say that
that would have to rank much, much higher than
any other Batman show. If there's going to be
another Batman in here, I would say The Batman
would be good, too. Although I've had brief exposure
to it, I would say that it is kind of a happy
medium between the two. But I still prefer Batman
the Animated Series overall, and I really hope
that that's at least in the top ten. Phil, how
many Batman series deserve a spot? I think, you
know, beyond this one, we should definitely see
Batman the Animated Series. Maybe Batman Beyond,
but other than that, I don't think. I think there's
another two tops. I don't think the Batman would
rate higher than Raven the Bold. I'm not entirely
sure. But, yeah, we definitely must see the Animated
Series somewhere. Like I say, it's got to be
towards the top of the list. But other than that,
Batman Beyond, that's about it, I think. So,
besides... I forgot Batman Beyond as well. Yeah,
I'd have to say that would have to rank up there
with the Batman animated series. Mike? For me,
I'd like, I mean, it's a given for us that are
into the DCAU specifically. Batman Beyond. Outside
of those two, I would like to see The Batman,
but if Raven the Bold is coming in at 71, I don't
know. I mean, The Batman had really good storytelling
because it had some of the same writers and producers
from... The DC animated universe, it had like
Alan Burnett and stuff like that, but I don't
know if it really ranks as best of all time being
higher up on the list. The other one I would
really like to see is the 60s, 70s, like Casey
Kasem as Robin. uh, the, the new adventures of
Batman or whatever, not, not the BTS version,
but the, I know which one you're talking about.
The adventures of Batman and Robin. That's what
it is. Um, the older one with Adam West and Casey
case on the animated versions, kind of like what
the Scooby -Doo movies. Um, I would like to see
that come somewhere. I don't know if it will,
obviously, but I think just because that was
one of the, I mean, just like the 60s Spider
-Man one was its first, I think that the Batman
Adventures from the 60s should also come into
play on the countdown somewhere. It should be
interesting to see how the rest of these bigger
franchises like Spider -Man or Batman play out,
and obviously it's going to take until we're
all the way through the countdown where we can
really reflect on some of them and the placements,
but it should be interesting to see. But let's
see where we go next. 70. So I find it interesting
that in between those last two superheroes, we
went from Spider -Man and his amazing friends
to Batman, Brave and Bold. In between, we had
a 60 series and Johnny Quest. We had Dexter's
Lab. From Cartoon Network, we had an anime and
death note. And now we go to Nickelodeon, and
anyone born in the 80s or 90s had to have recognized
the theme that just played. Coming in at number
70 and starting our next 10 here is the 1991
series that basically lasted for the entire decade
of the 90s, Doug. Before I let anyone talk, this
was on, you know, for the entire decade. I do
not understand how IGN did not have this in their
top 100. Really? I don't know if it aired everywhere
or if this was more of just a strictly U .S.
thing or not. I had it at 67. Steve, you had
it at 64. Mike, you had it a little bit higher.
Double D had this as his number one, which that
might be a little bit high. But I can't fathom
why this didn't make IGN's list. Mike, why don't
you go first? To be fair, in Double D's defense,
he is Canadian, so... I don't know how that changes
anything. Anyways, I mean, as far as having it
number one, but... Yeah, Doug, one of the...
What was his... I don't have that theme song
in my head now for a while. Yeah. What was his
dog's name? Don't ask me. Hot... No, it's...
I don't know. I'll think of it while you continue.
Yeah. The whole – I mean, back then in 91, I
mean, Nickelodeon was just launching into their
popularity. And this was – I believe this was
one of their very first animated series. Don't
quote me on that. But I believe this was one
of their very first. And again, this is something,
as Kevin said, that ran the entire decade. It
launched Nickelodeon into what Nickelodeon would
become. It's a very interesting cartoon because
you have – normally you'll have cartoons like
quote -unquote girly cartoons with them writing
in a diary or something or other. This one you
have a kid, a high school kid or a middle school
kid. Talking in his journal and having adventures
with himself and with his dog, which I still
can't think of the damn dog's name. Porkchop.
Porkchop. That's what it was. Yeah, Porkchop.
It was almost like it was a live -action show
but in cartoon form, like it was something that
could have been done by real live actors. Oh,
yeah. Phil, was this not something that was shown
in the UK, or did you just not care for it? Yeah,
it was shown. I'll give it props for the fact
it ran for so long, but if Doug was a person,
I would want to punch him in the face. That's
true. I did not like the character of Doug. The
only reason... I actually didn't even like this
show that much. For me, it was the longevity
that got it a spot on my list. Yeah, I mean,
you've got to respect anything that lasts that
long, but... To be honest with you, it's one
of those shows where I can take it or leave it.
For me personally, compared to what we've already
seen so far, it's a little high on the list,
even though it was quite successful. But yeah,
not one for me, definitely not one for me. Gotcha.
Steve, right or wrong place on the list? I would
say it's about right. I mean, granted, I only
saw the first couple seasons, and I actually
didn't know it ran that long until I caught a
couple episodes later. And I am definitely glad
to see it hit the IGN. Not hit the IGN, but glad
that it hit our list, unlike IGN. I mean, overall,
it was a good show, but it had its moments where
it just was kind of like, meh, but for the most
part, it was good. For being on so long, it didn't
get a lot of critical acclaim. I mean, it only
got one daytime. I mean, nomination for having
seven, you know, 91 to 99, which might speak
a little bit to it. I do want to ask a question,
though, since this is one of our first of this
type of Nickelodeon show. Mike, I'll start with
you. Do you expect the other Nickelodeon shows
anywhere on this list as far as like Bobby's
World or Rugrats or any of those other ones that
were in that same time period? Bobby's World
was Fox Kids. Oh, what am I thinking of the other
one that was on Nickelodeon? Rugrats, Doug, and...
Oblongs, or... Do you expect to see some of those
other... Rocko's Modern Life, that was the other
Nick show. Okay. See, that's the thing, though.
I hate to keep repeating myself, because Kevin
is the only one that knows the actual master
list. At this point, my expectations are out
the window. I expect certain things to be on
this list or else I'm going to go on a hunting
spree. But as far as other Nickelodeon shows,
I just don't know. I would expect maybe some
more iconic Nickelodeon cartoons type stuff.
Me personally, I don't think Rugrats deserves
to be on this list because I don't see it as
best of all time. I'm happy with where Doug falls.
I just don't know what else to expect at this
point. Anyone else? Any thoughts on the Nickelodeon
shows before we move on? I'm almost scared to
see what does show up. Just because, I mean,
if Doug's hitting this low, I'm wondering what
we're going to be screwed with later. because
not a lot of the other shows that are on Nickelodeon's
cartoon lineup are very good. It has a select
few in the early 90s, as far as that's concerned,
and the rest of them kind of go down the crapper.
So I'm really scared to see if any of the other
ones show up. Phil, any opinions on Nickelodeon
shows? Yeah, I agree with Steve. The Nickelodeon
stuff is not really that good. If we did see
any, I could possibly guess at Rugrats, but I
don't think Rugrats should have been any way
higher than Doug. Right. I kind of feel the same
way. To me, this is almost the opposite of some
of the other channels where I expect to see a
few more, like a Disney channel or whatever,
with some of the quality shows they had. To me,
Nickelodeon, none of the shows on Nickelodeon
were shows that I ever really got into. So we'll
see. We'll see what comes up and we'll also see
what comes in next. 69. He's the greatest. He's
fantastic. Wherever there is danger, he'll be
there. He's the ace. He's amazing. He's the strongest.
He's the quickest. He's the best. I am extremely
happy that this show made the countdown. I would
have liked to see it just a teeny tiny bit higher
if you didn't tell from that theme song there.
Number 69 is Danger Mouse, and I think it's very
fitting that we have Phil on this episode with
us to talk about Danger Mouse. So I'm going to
let him talk first about the show that was on
for 10 seasons. Phil, your opinion on Danger
Mouse, and is this too low, or should this be
higher? For me, this should be higher, but then
it's a very British show. Over here is an institution.
It kind of ranks up there with things like...
For an animated show, it does rank up there with
Fawlty Towers, that kind of sitcom -ish type
thing. It's too low. It's a great show. I mean,
come on, the theme tune is amazing. I have often
been compared to Penfold, but let's just leave
that behind. But yeah, no, it was a nominee for
BAFTA awards. It really should be higher on the
list. If we're talking about animation and where
it stands in a cultural impact, I suppose in
the US, not so much. But over here, yeah, I think
it should be higher. I generated 60 seconds,
so we're not that wrong. Yeah. I love the writing
on this. I think it's one of the best written
cartoons definitely of its era. Just super funny.
Easy to watch today. As easy to watch today as
it was when I was a kid. Mike, you had this one
at 97, so is it too high for you? No, I'm perfectly
happy. Again, as I've said before, and I'm sure
I will repeat myself in saying this, The way
I ranked my list is what I think deserves to
be higher in my own personal list, and I'm glad
that it made 69. I actually love Danger Mouse.
Like Phil said, the theme song is just great.
It's very, very catchy, and it, along with a
couple of the other shows from this era, is just
good TV. I think what hurt Danger Mouse as far
as our countdown, number one, we have a few younger
people in our list, and they probably just don't
know of Danger Mouse. And I have a feeling some
other people, it's kind of like one of those
shows, at least for us in the United States,
for some people they might have just forgotten
about it or it might have just flown under the
radar a little bit. I think 69 does not do it
justice as far as the quality of the show, but
I'm not surprised that more people didn't vote
for it. just because I just think it's one that
some people may have forgotten about or just
didn't think about. But I will say, you know,
Phil and Christopher from Chicken Pop Hot had
it in their top 30. Flava Dave had it in his
top 10. So, I mean, it is a really good show.
I am very happy that it made the list. I'm actually
happy that it made the list at least in the 60s
rather than the 70s, 80s, or 90s. Like Phil said,
I could see an argument for it being even higher,
but I'm glad it at least broke into the 60 mark,
even if it was just at 69. Steve, is this not
something you were exposed to? No, not really.
Until I listened to ToonCast, I had never actually
heard of it. You know what would have been really
funny if this came in at 71, because it was episode...
No, if this had come in at 72, because it was
episode 72 of ToonCast. All right, Rain Man.
Shut up. Definitely Kmart brand, definitely.
We've been going all over the place. It's like
from anime to 60 shows to now this more UK show.
I like how much diversity we've been seeing in
these last 10 or so shows. We've got about 8
or 9 more left of this episode, so let's see
where we go with the rest of them. So IGN had
this one at 26. All four people that voted for
it on our countdown had it between 22 and 30.
It comes in, though, at 68 since there was only
four people that voted for it, and that is The
Critic at 68. I'm going to let Steve start because
he had this one. Obviously, like I said, everybody
that voted for it had it in the 20s or 30s. So,
Steve, why The Critic in the top 100? Well, for
one, I never realized that John Lovitz was in
this. I mean, granted, I don't like a lot of
the stuff he's been in, but I find him annoying
enough that he's entertaining, if that makes
any sense whatsoever. I like the mockumentary
-type movie critic feel that's in this show.
I don't know. Even though it lasted two seasons,
I mean, there were so many funny parts and random
celebrities showing up. Even though it wasn't
really celebrities, it was just voice actors
pretending to be them. And he'd get his ass kicked
almost all the time. And especially the ending
was very iconic because in every ending was kind
of like every intro to The Simpsons. Well, every
outro to The Critic was different and it always
ended with him in a movie theater. And he would
say some random corny line or some kind of a
stupid thing would happen to him in the movie
theater. So in your opinion, it does deserve
a spot in the top 100? I would definitely think
so. Does it deserve a higher spot? I would say
no. I would say I think it fits right where it's
at. Okay. Mike or Phil, any thoughts on The Critic?
I am not familiar with this show, so I'm not
going to try to sound ignorant and say anything
about it. Why don't you go first, Phil? Thanks.
The Critic's one of those shows where I caught
a few. Like Doug, he was just an annoying character.
I wasn't really... We actually had that on a
double with – is it Dr. Katz? Probably. Yeah,
we – yeah, no. It should be lower, but hey. I
mean, it's hard for me to judge. I mean, it seems
like so many people had it very high, so it seems
like maybe it was a good show, but it was one
for me that I just must have missed somehow because
I don't even know if I've ever seen an episode.
It was only on for two seasons, 94, 95. I don't
know. I guess I just missed it, but I'm sure
Mike has some thoughts on this one. The Critic
was something that Fox launched to capitalize
on the Simpsons' popularity in the 90s. It was
something to follow the Simpsons, and it actually
did follow the Simpsons a couple of times. When
I said earlier, you know, whatever, I was actually
trying to mimic a John Lovitz sound effect because
I did know that the critic was John Lovitz, and
I've never liked him. I think there's only one
movie I've liked him in, and that was High School
High. Other than that, he's just not a comedian
that I... I do find him funny, but he's just
not someone that I find very interesting. I will
say that I do like the style of the show, kind
of like mocking Siskel and Ebert and all that
stuff and mocking movie critics, but I'm so glad
it's coming in at 68 rather than 26 on that dumb
IGN list. I do think 26 is a little high. Yeah,
it's a little high for this show. This show does
not. It was not on very long, and it seems like
it has a – I'm not saying that there's not people
out there. Obviously, Steve likes it, and there
is a group of people out there, but I just think
it didn't have that broad across -the -spectrum
popularity that makes it warrant a top 30 selection
like IGN. It probably deserves a spot in the
top 100, I'm guessing, but again, I haven't really
seen it. Like I said, I'm kind of happy it landed
where it did. It's not one of the greatest shows,
and it should by no means be in the top 30. The
only reason it was in mine was because I had
a select set of shows that I thought were important
enough that they should be on the list. So looking
back at their list, I by no means think that
this should be in the top 30. It's definitely
where it should be. Well, and the other thing
is with so many of us voting, and I did this
occasionally too, there was some shows that I
voted higher than I would just because I felt
like too many other people would either forget
about them or ignore them. And, you know, just
kind of a little strategy, I guess. But I don't
know. So I have no problem with you voting it
where you did if you thought it deserved a spot
because obviously... you helped it make at least
the top 100. 68 is okay. I think it probably
could have been a little bit lower. Like, say,
if you put SWAT cats, if you switch SWAT cats
in this, I would be much happier with that. But,
I mean, for what our countdown has been so far,
68 is okay with me. Sounds good. 67. Hey, Paisanos,
it's the Super... So another unranked IGN lister.
I find it interesting that both of these shows
made it in this episode, and I want to hear some
comparison between the two. Coming in at 67,
everybody knows that theme song, the Super Mario
Bros. Super Show. Again, only on for one season,
not ranked on IGN's list. It was on all of your
guys' lists. It did not make my list, just like
Captain N didn't make my list. Neither one of
them made the cut for me. Let's start with Steve.
You had it at 62nd, which is pretty close to
where it falls at 67. How do you feel with, one,
Super Mario Bros. Super Show making the list,
and two, where it falls in comparison to Captain
N? I definitely like this show a lot better than
I liked Captain N. I definitely feel that it
should be exactly where it is, much higher than
that. I always liked the voice cast. I always
thought that the... Isn't this the one where
they had the live -action pieces in it? That's
what I thought. And I always liked that feature
as well, despite the fact that the live -action
pieces were kind of goofy. I did like at least
seeing... the people that were voicing the characters
in the episodes. Mike, compared to Captain N,
and also you had this ranked a little bit higher
in the 40s, do you feel like it should be higher,
or is it in the right spot? The Nintendo cartoons
in general are a certain niche. Back then, I
think you had to have been a fan of video games,
you had to be a fan of Nintendo to really get
into these, and I love all of the Nintendo cartoons.
I'm glad it's higher than Captain N because it
deserves it. Okay, then. All right. I think the
universe over there in the UK just exploded.
But one of the reasons why I'm glad it's higher
than Captain N because Mario is Nintendo's flagship
character. He's the go -to guy. And having Captain
Lou Urbano, I think that's how it is. Lou Urbano.
Whatever. No, not albino. Yeah, lovely. Whatever.
You know what I mean? Having Captain Lou as the
live -action Mario, may Captain Lou rest in peace,
and just having those live -action segments,
again, it was part of that thing where it felt
like a Muppet show or a Saturday Night Live type
of deal because you had the live -action bits
and then you would cut to a skit. But in this
case, you would cut to a cartoon episode. Even
though it was only on one season, it had 52 episodes,
and it was just... I really, really enjoyed it.
And now Phil can disagree with everything I just
said. Which I will do, thank you. No, for me,
yeah, fair enough, Mario is Nintendo's flagship
character, but the show was just... I think all
the Super Mario Bros. cartoons were a little
too childish for me at the time. You know, Captain...
I would... Much rather have seen Captain N, oh,
about 67, and Super Mario down the other end.
But, you know, it's Nintendo. As long as a Nintendo
show's on the list, I'm a happy bunny. There
you go. I'm going to agree with Phil, and we'll
split 50 -50 on this one. I think Captain N was
a better show. And the reason I say that, I got
super excited when the Super Mario Bros. Super
Show came out on DVD, and I was all stoked to
check it out. And I remember one of my friends
got it, and we went over to his house to try
to watch it, and it was god -awful. compared
to what I remembered it being. I mean, I'm not
saying it's not dated and it's not a bad cartoon,
but just its iconicness of what it is. Well,
and I'm not surprised because the list of people,
you know, the group of... Somebody just died
in the background. The group of people that came
up with this show are admittedly geeks. Like,
we're a geek network. And so the fact that Mario...
made the list should not surprise anybody because
it's right up all of our alleys as far as video
gaming and you know nintendo's like you said
flagship character so i think it came in just
based on the fact that we're all geeks and that's
our type of thing but i honestly agree with phil
i think captain n if you're just judging it on
a quality of cartoon captain n was a better cartoon
in my opinion so I think we're going to split
50 -50, and two of us will say Captain N's better,
and two of us will say Super Mario's better.
I'm glad neither one of them is any higher than
they are, though. I actually think 67 and 78
are a little too high for both of them. But let's
see where we go with the, oh, wow. 66. So I guess
it is fitting that this one comes in at 66, and
hopefully some of you will understand that. Clone
Wars coming in at 66. Hopefully you guys get
that, right? Order 66. I get it. I get it. To
clarify this, this is the 2003. The title is
just Clone Wars. This is the Tartakovsky one
or however you want to say it so you're not confusing
it since there was two Clone War cartoons. It
was on for three seasons. IGN actually had this
at 21. Boo. I had it at 36. Mike, you had it
at 85. Steven, Phil did not have this anywhere.
Dot had it in the top 15. One, two Emmys, one
an Annie. I'll let Mike start since you had it
at 85. Is this too high for the 2003 version?
Well, to be fair, Mike the Birdman Dot only ranked
like 40 -something cartoons, so him having it
14th. He is a Star Wars buff. I vaguely remember
seeing this back when it was on Cartoon Network.
I never actually got into it. I haven't gotten
into any of the Star Wars. I know I want to get
into the other one, the 2008 one, The Clone Wars,
because what I've seen of it is supposed to be
really good. But this one, it was okay. It was
just another way for them to capitalize. I believe
Attack of the Clones either was coming out or
just came out. I don't remember off the top of
my head. Yeah, it was about the same time that
Attack of the Clones was out in theaters, I believe.
It was okay. The Clone Wars is a significant
improvement over Clone Wars, Star Wars, Clone
Wars. But it's all right for what it is being
a Cartoon Network show. Yeah, Attack of the Clones
came out in 2002. So this was just a year later
in their time. So as far as your opinion goes,
since we're on you right now, you think the 2008
version should rank higher? Oh, yeah, most definitely.
Like I said, I have not been keeping up with
it, but just from what I've been hearing from
other people and from what I've seen of clips
and stuff, much better storytelling in the 2008
cartoon. Yeah, I ranked this one 36, but I'm
not upset that it came in at 66. Well, first
of all, because it's a cool number for it to
come in, but I'm not upset with it being in the
60s. I agree with you. I think 2008 should be
higher than this one. Steve, you didn't vote
for either one of them. Have you been exposed
to either one, or do you have any opinions on
which one's better, even though you didn't vote
for this one? I would honestly say that the second
one, the 3D animated one, is better. Although
I have not seen either one, I would say, based
on some of the stuff that I have seen of it,
I would say that the newer one is much better.
I hate this animation style for... sci -fi shows.
I do like the fact, I mean, I can kind of see
where this ranks in there because they do have
a lot of famous voice actors and voice actresses.
They do have the original C -3PO voice. I mean,
so I can see where some of this kind of fits
in there a little bit, but overall, I don't think
that this belongs in the list. Okay. So in your
opinion, we should only have one Clone Wars on
the list? Yes, and I think it should be the newer
one. Phil, how about you? Any opinions on both
of the Clone Wars cartoons? Yes, they should
all be shot. Me too. Yeah, no. Come on. Seriously?
This one is awful. The new one is okay. But as
a Star Wars... How do you put this? A classic
Star Wars fan, I just refuse to watch them on
principle. Okay, so you're not a fan of the newer
stuff. Give me, give me, give me Star Wars, Empire
Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, anything else?
Well, maybe, okay, Ewoks. We'll let that in,
but you know, that's about it. I seriously hope
droids and Ewoks do not make this list. Oh my
god, if that cartoon's on here, I'm going to
seriously hit somebody. It would be an improvement
over this. I think that would be on, like, the
worst 100 cartoons of all time. We should do
that next. Oh, my God. That would be, like, more
cartoons. It would be more than 100. But we'd
have to label it as IGN's list. There we go.
On that note. 65. One, two, three. So apparently
this episode is Mike's episode since coming in
at 65 is none other than Johnny Bravo. Apparently
four spots away from where Mike wanted it to
come in at 69. Steve, you had it in the 60s too,
so I'll let you two take over. Four seasons of
Johnny Bravo. I hate this show. It was 71st on
IGN's ranking. Mike, your opinion? Johnny Bravo.
And Johnny Bravo was the other cartoon that I
was going to mention earlier when we were talking
about Dexter. Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls,
and Dexter's Laboratory launched Cartoon Network.
That's just what got that channel going is those
three cartoons and Johnny Bravo. The voice acting
was pretty good with it. I mean, you have Jeff
Bennett as Johnny, which is very interesting.
It's basically about a guy who thinks he's...
all that, and he really isn't, and he can't get
laid. I mean, that's the simplest synopsis of
the show. He thinks he's God's gift to ladies.
If it had to make the list, I guess I would have
rather it been in the 90s or maybe even the 80s,
but there was four people that had it in the
top 50, so I'm glad it at least didn't make that.
Steve, 65 a good spot for Johnny Bravo? Yeah,
I'd say so. It's pretty close to nice in between.
I would not give it a 40s or any higher. I don't
think it deserves that. Although it was mildly
entertaining for what it was, I wouldn't give
it any higher than that. On my list, I'd put
this one right next to Dexter. One would be 99
and one would be 100. Phil, any thoughts on Johnny
Bravo? Yeah, I hate to repeat myself, but I would
have to punch Johnny Bravo in the face. No, yeah,
it's one of those shows, I think it's a kind
of take it or leave it thing, and for me, I left
it. It didn't do anything for me. The animation
style was, frankly, in my opinion, a bit pants.
But, yeah, no, I would like to see it at the
back end of the list rather than up in the 60s.
But, yeah, thank God it didn't make any higher
than this. Mike, we so should have had Phil on
so many episodes of Toon Castle. He could have
backed me up. No. There's always beyond. There
we go. No, because we're not talking about Johnny
Bravo or Powerpuff Girls or Dexter's Laboratory
again. Anyways. Two of us think this should maybe
be in the 90s or close to 100, and two of us
are fine with it being in the 60s. I mean, I'm
okay with it where it is, but at the same time,
the only reason why I say that is because of
the excuse Kevin has used as far as the iconicness
of a show or a show's length. I mean, granted,
this was only on four years, but like I said,
this was one of the cartoons that launched Cartoon
Network back in the day. Do I think it should
have been lower? Probably, but it's okay where
it is. At least it's not any higher. Yeah, and
six people did vote on it, so I guess it is what
it is. 64. And one day, a lawman appeared. With
powers of fox, wolf, puma, and bear. Protector
of peace, mystic man from afar. Champion of justice,
martial brave star. Very surprised that we find
brave star at 64. And I'm going to go first.
I had it ranked 85th. This was not on IGN's list,
and I'm actually not surprised that it was not
on IGN's list. I would have thought if this was
going to make the list, we would have seen this
last episode when we saw things like cops and
the like. Two people, Pixel Dan and Scotty, had
it in their top in the 20s. We had a couple people
who had it in the 60s. Six people voted for it,
so that's why it made the list. Phil and I both
voted for it. I'm just a little surprised to
see it this high on the list. Phil, you're the
other person who voted. You had it at 62nd, and
it falls in at 64, so are you thinking this is
a good spot for this one? I am very happy. Call
me a very happy man, yeah. I mean, yeah, come
on. I will admit it's not the greatest anime.
you know, actual animation, but brave star as
a, as a character, as a, um, I mean, it's one
of those shows I can now, I can still watch today.
You know, I can stick to the video and still
watch it. So that's why it came, you know, that's
why it is where it is. You know, it's a sixties
is a good spot for it. You know, to me, it's
one of those again, that got the kind of, uh,
got left behind or kind of forgotten by a lot
of people. Maybe it's one of those that kind
of flies under the radar as far as eighties action
shows, just because it was overshadowed by, uh,
so many other things that were going on. This
was the time also when Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
hit the air. So I can get why some people forgot
about it. I think it is a quality show. Like
you said, I can watch it today still too. Is
it too high, Mike? No. I just said no. It's not
too high. And again, this isn't one that I really
remember ever watching. As a kid. So, I mean,
I'm okay with it where it is. I don't think it
should. It's one of those cartoons where it fits
nicely in this segment because I don't think
it should have been any lower, really. This isn't
like, you know, say, a Johnny Bravo or anything
like that, you know, where it should have been
lower. It should have been switched with another
one. But, you know, I'm okay with it being where
it is. Steve? Although it was not on my list,
and I do not actually have any physical knowledge
of this show, I do know that it is produced by
or created by the same people that did He -Man
and She -Ra and all those. I would say that based
on that, if you were a fan of those at the time,
you'll probably be a fan of this as well. Plus,
it had a pretty nice, good voice cast. Yeah.
It was just kind of a good show. It was a little
bit different spin on some of the stuff that
we were seeing in the 80s. I don't know. It just
had some type of little magic to it for me that
it kind of stuck with me. And I'm happy it made
the list. I'm surprised. I would have thought
this and Cops, if they were both going to make
the list, would have both made the list near
each other, I guess. But that's just me. And
it was only on for one season, and it's going
to be very similar to what's coming up next.
Kelly Hawk! Wings of silver, nerves of steel.
Silver Hawk! Hardly metal, hardly real. Well,
all the 80s children know which show came in
at number 63. Another one season 65 episode came
out a year before Brave Star, even though it
ranks one higher. And I'm happy because I'm just
happy it made the list. Partly metal, partly
steel, Silverhawks at number 63, and I'm very
happy. I actually had this at 65 on my list,
and it comes in at 63. I think this is a good
spot. I was surprised it got as much love as
it did with six people voting for it. I would
have expected this, Bravestar, Cops, all to be
somewhere in the 80s and 90s if they made the
list, but I'm happy they all have made the list.
Mike? What? No, when you first said a year before,
I had to look back at the little capsule for
Bravestar because at first I thought it was going
to be Mask, and I was like, oh, this is going
to be a big F you. But no, I'm happy with where
Silverhawks is. And as I've said before, the
whole thing, if you listen to ToonCast from the
beginning, if you start listening at the Thundercats
episode, episode 5, of ToonCast. Throughout ToonCast's
two -year run, Kevin and I have had this argument
over which is better, Thundercats or Silverhawks.
They were done by the same production company.
They basically had the same male voice actors
for the most part. And I always fall on Thundercats
is better and he falls on Silverhawks is better.
Honestly, as a kid, I liked them both equally.
I remember specifically having all of the Silverhawks
toys. I had a majority of the Thundercats toys,
and I'm happy with... I mean, Silverhawks, it
was a very interesting concept, a very interesting
show. It was something completely different from
what Rankin -Bass had done with Thundercats.
And it was just very, very interesting. And I
love the theme song, even though it is complete
80s cheesy theme song. See, the difference between
this one and Bravestar and Cops for me, even
though I love Cops and Bravestar, I would not
have been pissed or surprised if they didn't
make the list. I would have been pissed if Silverhawks
didn't make the list. Mike, do you think we're
going to see Thundercats at any point? It better
be, like... above top 50. It better at least
be in the top 50. Phil, your opinions on Silverhawks
making the list at all? Did it warrant a spot
or not? In all honesty, I have zero opinion because
this is one of the 80 shows that never made it
over here. I mean, literally my only exposure
to Silverhawks is a... What's the real things
that you look through? Viewmasters? Viewmasters,
yeah. That's my only exposure to Silverhawks
is that Viewmasters is real. So, yeah, it's...
You know, just... Coming off the back of the
fact it's made by the same people who made Thundercats,
fair enough. I get props for that, but I have
zero exposure to it apart from a few Master Reels.
Steve, does Silverhawks warrant a spot on our
list, and does Thundercats warrant a spot on
our list? I would definitely agree with that,
although... Silverhawks was not on my list. I
would still say that that and Thundercats definitely
belong on the list because they are some iconic
type shows that, I don't know, just the following
behind the two. Well, they made the 80s what
the 80s were in a way. They helped make the 80s.
known for this type of cartoon, and like you
said, they have cult followings, especially Thundercats.
Well, especially Thundercats in the sense that
it's coming back. It's 2011, here it is, and
it's returning, just like Transformers keeps
returning, and G .I. Joe. So this is pretty much
the year of shows coming back from our past that
were actually good shows. So, I mean, it's not
too far out of the question to see Silverhawks
possibly get a new show as well. Are you expecting,
like Mike, to see Thundercats coming in later
in the countdown? Oh, yeah. Okay. As far as Silverhawks,
this is one last note from me. Like Steve said,
I wouldn't be surprised if they did an updating
of it. My only problem with an updated version
of Silverhawks is you're not going to have, unless
you get an 80s band, unless you get that original
band to update their original theme song, that
would be my only problem with a Silverhawks reboot
is if they tried to reimagine it and have a different
theme. Because, I mean, seriously. That themes
everybody. Well, it's like Thundercats, too.
As soon as you hear Tallyhawk cry, as soon as
you hear the Tallyhawk bird call, you know what
song that is. Yeah, I mean, that would be like
the new Thundercats not having the Thundercats.
Oh, you know. Yeah. I know that was a bad attempt
at that. Yes, it was. Very much so. Also interesting
to note, just the last thing for this one, that
both Bravestar and Silverhawks, I don't know
if I mentioned it for both of them, but neither
one made the IGN list. Well. IDN are morons,
so. 62. I think it's time to blow this thing.
Get everybody in the stuff together. Okay, three,
two, one, let's jam. So I'm not sure everybody
will know what show we're talking about with
that theme song, but coming in at number 62 is
Cowboy Bebop. I know a lot of people say this
is a great show. It was on in 2001, only one
season of 26 episodes. IGN had this 14th, Double
D had it 17th, JT from Saskatoon had it 10th,
and Birdman Dot had it 6th. So apparently it
was supposed to be a really good show for those
people that like it. I absolutely know nothing
about this. Mike, I'm guessing you know nothing
about this. I'm hoping Phil can help us here
on Cowboy Bebop because I... No, you're in for
a spot of bad luck there. I have zero. Wow! This
is one of those shows that I'm... Well, I mean,
one of the guys that writes for our site, he's
a huge Bebop fan. I mean, but for me, it's one
I've never even... I've never seen it. I know
all of the show, but it's not one I've actually
seen. It seems like one of those shows that either
you haven't been exposed to it, but it seems
like those people that are have it in high regards.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I would agree with that.
So, I mean, I'm just going to have to trust the
fact that three people had it in their top 20.
So if it fell at number 62, like I've said multiple
times, any anime show that makes our list must
be a good anime show. Steve, any thoughts on
Cowboy Bebop? I myself have seen this show. Oh,
okay. Well, thank God. I haven't seen a lot of
it, but I have seen it. And this was along the
same time that I watched a lot of different random
crap that showed up on Cartoon Network and the
like. I believe it showed up on Toonami at some
point. But it's basically, as it says, it's like
a futuristic cowboy. bounty hunter, that kind
of thing. It's one of those things where they're
constantly on the run. Crime is rampant. You've
got people trying to kill each other off in every
episode. It's pretty wild, so I can see where
it ranks when it does, but I myself do not care
for it all that much, which is why I've only
seen very few episodes. Fighting crime in a Western
time. Exactly. Well, I mean, we only have one
more show that's going to make the cut for this
episode, so let's see what's our last show in
for this episode. 61. There's 104 days of summer
vacation, and school comes along just to end
it. So the annual problem for our generation
is finding a good way to spend it. So as I said
before, we might as well rename episode 22 TFG1
Mike's episode because we already gave him Dexter's
Lab and Johnny Bravo, and we end the episode
with the 2007 show Phineas and Ferb. Yes, yes
we do. 2007, it's still ongoing. It did not make
IGN's list, probably because IGN's list came
out in 2009 where this show was... basically
just still in its infancy. Go ahead. Go ahead.
I'm very surprised that it actually made the
list, honestly. But for those of you that don't
know, Phineas and Ferb, they're stepbrothers.
They have these wacky adventures during summer,
and it is always summertime, or in the case of
their holiday special Christmas Vacation. It's
wintertime, but they never actually are shown
going back to school. They're talking about making
the summer the best summer they can ever have.
They're basically, I don't want to say baby geniuses,
because they're eight and nine years old. They're
that type of age range. But they're just super
geniuses. Really, really awesome show. One of
the best things about the show is, like Dexter's
Lab, where you have just us friends, they have
Perry, their pet platypus, who is also secret
agent P, who works for this agency to fight the
evil Dr. Doofenshmirtz. It's such a great family
-friendly show. This was one of Disney Channel's
best animated shows, I think, outside of their
specific cartoons that have their characters,
outside of DuckTales and stuff like that. Of
this, the last ten years, Phineas and Ferb is
one of their best animated shows, I think. It's
had a lot of critical acclaim, an Annie nomination,
a Daytime Emmy nomination, a Daytime Emmy win,
and a couple Emmy stuff. So it's got a lot of
awards and whatnot. I want to go to Phil next
because we had a couple people. We had one person
that had this number three on their entire list,
Flava Dave. JT and Glade had it in their top
20. Phil, you had this down at 92. So is it too
high at 61? Compared to what we've had so far,
I would say yes, but, I mean, it made my list
just off the platypus, to be honest with you.
Yeah. If you could just make that show, I would
be happy, you know. Finishing, fair enough, their
adventures are sometimes quite ridiculously funny,
but, yeah, it made my list all down to Perry
the Platypus, you know. Okay. Yeah. I can...
61... I think it's a little too high. Maybe in
the 80s, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I actually
had this on my list at one point at either 99
or 100, and then it eventually got bumped off
of my list by something. Because I have seen
a few episodes, it's not necessarily my thing,
but I can understand why people like it. It's
way better than... Dexters and Johnny Bravo and
stuff like that. So I think it's all right that
it's ahead of those. But like I said, I would
have put Dexters and Johnny Bravo at 99 and 100.
So to me, this one should have been like 80 something.
I want to go back to Mike for a second, though.
Is this a situation where you're just happy this
made the list regardless? Oh, yeah, because I
didn't even think it would make the list. OK.
And I think that. Just for me personally, because
it is one of my favorites, this was one of the
ones. And I ranked it 49th. Yeah, I ranked it
49th. But, I mean, like, for me personally, the
48 shows on my list that are above it, I ranked
it 49th just to make sure it would get on the
list. And I have to send a shout -out to Flava
Dave over at Pop Culture Network. He put it at
third, so I'm sure the two of us. Well, JT and
Glade had it in their top 20. Right, right. Between
the four of us, that's what got it here at 61.
For those of you, if it's not your thing, that's
fine. As far as Phil, he wants just the Perry
the Platypus cartoon show, I would agree with
that, but I also would say that the whole, and
I know Phil probably knows this, but the whole
point of the entire Phineas and Ferb show is
that The two adventurers, the boys' adventure
with what they're creating and then Perry's adventure
with Dr. Doofenshmirtz is they entangle each
other, and that's what makes the boys' stuff
disappear. And their sister, Candace, who is
voiced by Ashley Tisdale, can't bust them for
what they're doing every summer. Now, I know
they're working on a direct -to -TV Disney Channel
movie for Phineas and Ferb. They're also, I believe,
working on a theatrical movie. an animated theatrical
movie for Phineas and Ferb. And I know in one
of those, the boys actually, and spoiler alert,
it's on Wikipedia, so I just know this from looking
it up. But for those who don't want to be spoiled,
the plot of one of these movies is the boys actually
find out that Agent P, Perry, is Agent P, and
they go along on an adventure with him to save
the world. So I think that... It would be great
to just have the Prairie of the Platypus show,
and it would be awesome in its own right, but
I like the meshing of the two. And like I said,
I'm just happy that it's on the list. I can't
believe that it made the list. I have no problem
with it making the list. Again, I just think
it's way too high. Steve, does this deserve to
be on the list? No. At least not at 61. No, I
think it should be much lower than that. That's
because I find it, along with a lot of the newer
Disney programs, to be kind of asinine. No, this
show is not asinine. Some of the other ones I
will agree with you, they are. But this show
is not asinine. You are asinine. No, you are
an asshat. But that's besides the fact. This
show looks freaking retarded. No. The premise
may be fine. Fish Hooks looks retarded. This
show looks awesome. I'm sorry. They look pretty
much the closest thing to each other that you
can possibly get on the Disney Channel. If it
had possible looks, I would agree that this was
a good show. But it does not. So the point is,
everybody that's listening to this right now,
weigh in on this debate on the episode 22 page
and let us know if you think Phineas and Ferb
or any of these shows deserve to be on the list
or not. There you have it. That has been the
next 20 entries on the Geekcast Radio Network
Top 100 Animated Series of All time list. And
to hear us continue with number 60 through 41,
make sure you tune in to episode 23. And we would
like to thank Phil for taking the time out of
his sleep to actually appear on the countdown.
Thanks, Phil. Cheers. 61 of the top 100 intermittent
series of all time. Stay tuned until next time
when we reveal 60 through 41.
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I don’t wanna troll all your comments for this list, but you guys really don’t seem intelligent enough to make a list this grandiose; the quality of western animation (including animation/writing/voice acting/etc) during the “Television” era is so low compared to both earlier and later eras of animation, that it really makes no sense to have a list that is supposed to be the definitive Top 100 animated series (or at least better than IGN’s list) filled with shows from that time period. Also you probably should’ve limited this to just western animation (or animation that aired in America/Canada primarily) to make yourselves look less stupid (you guys admit you have no great knowledge of anime).
Also you guys should feel really, really bad about praising Silverhawks and then having really no idea what Cowboy Bebop even is; it’s one of the pinnacles of modern animation and music! Props on Phineas and Ferb though, it’s very underrated (guy who called it retarded, you really have no idea what you’re talking about).
I’ll stop now though because I’m just gonna verse my oppositional opinion over and over.
Again, please listen to episode 20 because otherwise you are just going to keep sounding ignorant. Would love more feedback but not about stuff we addressed in the opening episode. This list was limited to only shows that aired in North America on television which we clearly state in episode 20. So unfortunately you are the only one looking stupid at this point 🙂
@Sadsic – AS far as the list we mentioned if you’d listened that not all of us KNOW Anime. So some of our Canadian friends do which is how they ended up there. We claim to know nothing so we didn’t really comment. I commented on Cowboy Bebop and I said Phineas and Ferb is badly animated not saying it’s bad. I just don’t personally care for it. What is your background to say we are unintelligent? Who makes you the master of cartoons and what is your age and or animation preferences? It’d be nice to more comments but it’s not all bad. Plus WE included shows that IGN Majorly missed.
Like I said, I don’t wanna troll/flame y’all on opinionated issues because it goes nowhere, but y’all seem to have voted on your personal lists based first and foremost on nostalgia, secondly on name-recognition, and perhaps thirdly on actual quality. Don’t you see a problem there? When Gem and Captain N in #1 and 2 slots for the you guys really are just looking stupid and obviously biased when there’s so much brilliant animation out there with actual good quality. I understand most of you were 80’s kids and have allegiances to the toyetic franchises of that time, but you really should look with an open mind at shows from before and after the Television Era (mostly after since the Silent and Golden Eras are fairly obvious in their big stars).
First off as both kevin and steve said go back and listen to Episode 20 the introduction. Secondly no one made Jem or Captain N #1. Phil had captain N at #2 and I had Jem at #6…. but that was our personal rankings. The master list ranking you are hearing being revealed is what the Top 100 is! The master list ranking is made up of 20 individual lists. So there is very much a lot of diversity. The was the point in having 5 other networks collaborate with us. So the main countdown list won’t be a personal bias or anything like that.
@Sadsic – Actually nostalgia and personal bias played not part in my #1 through about #80 or so. I left the nostalgic picks for my bottom 10-20. It seems you are looking also with a narrow mind though. From what I can gather from you anything ‘new’ and technologically advanced is automatically ‘better’. Every decade has had its good, bad and ugly cartoons. Just because something is done with new methods doesnt make it a better show. A show has to be judged on MORE than just the animation that was or was not available at its time. I was a child born in the 80s but I only had FIVE 80s series in my Top 20. Again, this was made by 20 different people so don’t assume you know how any ONE of us actually voted (other than a few comments that have been made in the first 2 episodes)
@Sadsic I agree that all ‘lists’ like this are going to have opinions in them and so it seems pointless to debate but I am interested in more of your thoughts. Do you like the IGN list? I would guess that you didn’t like their list either since really the only ‘post television era’ (as you put it) toons they put on their list were every adult-swim/prime time toon from the past two decades. And lets face it not many of those had high quality animation. Just curious on your thoughts on their list. Also, just be aware that we fully mentioned that the 60-100 selections would probably be the most ‘biased’ I would say that maybe you should wait to hear the final 60 before casting too many more judgements 🙂
I’m definitely gonna listen to the rest of the list. Also I don’t think the IGN list was especially bad (it’s not correct, but it’s not too much off really). I just felt I should voice my opinion because it seemed like so much of animation was basically being cast aside just so specific franchises could get recognition in some way or another on this list so far.
Without much thought, this would be my Top 10:
10.) Frisky Dingo/The Xtacles/Archer (for being incredibly written, with really wonderfully funny characters)
9.) Tom & Jerry (for being the pinnacle of humorous cartoon violence)
8.) Cowboy Bebop/Samurai Champloo (for being the pinnacle of anime)
7.) Home Movies (for being the funniest show I’ve ever seen)
6.) Batman: The Animated Series (IT’S BATMAN, MAN)
5.) The Flintstones (for shwoing the world that animation can be for adults)
4.) The Boondocks (for amazing animation and truly amazing social commentary)
3.) Looney Tunes (for showing what animation could truly be)
2.) The Simpsons (for the golden years, major influence on all tv afterwards. longevity)
1.) The Venture Brothers (for being the best TV show I’ve ever seen)
Wow, I can definitely say that many of those don’t warrant a place in the top ten. 🙂 Thats what makes lists like this fun to talk about everyone has a different opinion. I will say that 4 of the ones you listed are deserving but you like IGN give way too much love to the Adult swim shows. How old are you may I ask?
Several thoughts:
-I don’t get the hatred of Dexter’s Lab. The first two seasons before it got brought back, anyway, were very funny. The character designs aren’t great but the general art design is actually quite high quality and made well to deal with its low budget (better so than a lot of cartoons that attempt “realistic” designs but just end up looking cheap and kind of ugly). Complaining about it ripping off the Looney Tunes? Never seemed to be a direct rip-off to me, and if it took inspiration, well, aren’t you supposed to steal from the best?
-A little fact-check: Dexter, PPG, and Johnny Bravo did not actually launch Cartoon Network. CN launched in 1992 showing mostly old Hanna-Barbera cartoons and some older classics. Realizing they needed new content to expand, they started making Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast for late nights, started looking into anime acquisitions, and most significantly started the What a Cartoon! project, where student films would be shown on TV as potential pilots and the successful ones would be made into series. Dexter, PPG, and Johnny Bravo were among those successes.
-The third of the first three Nicktoons you weren’t sure of: Ren and Stimpy, a show which should make this list somewhere (Rocko came sometime after, and I hope that has a spot on the list too). Also, I’d say there are three Nicktoons from the past decade or so that are definitely worthy of the top 100: Spongebob Squarepants (which love it or hate it has become iconic and I must say, I love it), Invader ZIM (a definite cult classic, and one that seems on the verge of a Futurama-style resurrection after an unfair cancelation), and Avatar: The Last Airbender (don’t judge it by the Shyamalan movie; this series has easily the best long-term ongoing storytelling of any American cartoon I’ve seen).
-Old Clone Wars>>>new one, at least from a visual perspective. The art in the old one is really quite good and looks amazing in motion. The animation in the new one is just really stiff and wooden and I can’t get into it. Plus, no Jar Jar or Jabba the Hutt’s offensive gay stereotype uncle in the old one, so that’s a major plus for it.
-If you haven’t seen Cowboy Bebop, I hope you’re now curious to check it out. It is a very different style from most popular anime, and it’s more inspired by American action movies with a bit of Bruce Lee thrown in. It was actually a big failure in Japan, but American fans loved it and made it profitable. There’s something of an ongoing character arc and it’s quite good, but each episode’s a stand-alone story, often switching between genres, from wacky comedy to dark horror to pure action to philosophically meditative. Possibly my favorite TV show ever. And the music in the show IS the best soundtrack to any TV show ever made.
Phineas and Ferb ONLY #62? One of the most musically diverse shows ever made? The character of Candace being perfectly voiced by Ashley Tisdale? Riff Raff (Richard O’Brien) as the dad? A character named Vanessa Doofenshmirtz? A secret agent platypus? A character named Isabella Garcia-Schwartz who says “Watcha DOOin?”
Are you guys on bad drugs?
Let’s see how you do with some of the other shows I am expecting to place very high.
EJKorvette on the boards
@Rubi-kun: yes I realized after recording CN started in 1992….but as you said they mainly reaired shows from past generations. PPG, Dexter’s and Johnny Bravo are what launched the fame they had.
@EJKorvette: As I said I didn’t even think Phineas and Ferb would have made the list at all. It was #61 not #62. And everything you said is correct about how musically diverse the show is. Hell we even deicated an entire GCR Ep to P&F. I love Phineas and Ferb, but as we have stated we are trying to think best of all time. And some people might not categorize P&F that way. Here’s GCR 13: http://www.geekcastradio.com/?p=1420
I was gonna comment but I agree and was going to state pretty much what Mike said above me lol.
It might be ironic, but I was bored today and reminiscing about old cartoons and their theme songs. Due to that I landed on the IGN list, and it was thanks to a comment in that list that I found you guys.
Great! You just added 4+ days of audio to my listening list… How the deuce am I ever going to catch up?
Oh, and just for information those 4+ days of audio is AFTER I deleted the the stuff I didn’t want and all your independent episode review shows.
Love it!
independent stuff….Wait what? Hope you like the countdown and continue to listen as we go along! if you want more in depth on the cartoons we grew up with check out ToonCast.
@OptimusSolo
I’m 20, I’m a musician, I am definitely biased to post Baby Boomer art in general.
sadsic probably would prefer a more anime-centric list, and that’s fine, but that isn’t what this list is set up to rank. Anime is just so vast that it really would need it’s own separate list. Several shows he listed in this top ten do not belong in the top ten of all-time. Boondock?!? I’ve seen it. It may have some social commentary to make, but it’s an adult show and it’s not one of the top ten of all-time. Looney Toons, yes. Simpsons. Tom & Jerry. Batman: the Animated Series. All top ten worthy. Not the others. Cowboy Bepop bored me. I couldn’t do it. I’m not a big anime fan. The plots are deep, but they move slow and I find many of the dubs to be unprofessional and flat. Just my opinion of many I have seen. I still like the animation and keep an open mind about them, but this list isn’t the focus for them. Venture Brothers? Number one. Wow! I mean, seriously…WOW! It may be your favorite, and that’s fine, but the rankings in my opinion should be based on popularity at the time of the show’s airing and life beyond, cultural impact, entertainment score, design, concept, voice acting, longevity. And most of all, I believe this list is attempting to list mainly shows for kids, not adults, although a few will make the list. Many of those Adult Swim shows just don’t cut it for me, and overall, I think they’re a niche. Nothing wrong with that, but best of all-time? No.
I am pretty alright on this list for the most part, but I think Cowboy Bebop and Phines & Ferb should be higher. Maybe not as high i placed them on my list, but I think the shows are better made than some of the others. But who knows?
Cowboy Bebop maybe should be like in the low 50’s like 57-58
Phineas and Ferb I love! but as I said I was shocked it ever made the list. I think 61 is good for it.
True , Mike. I think that both series would deserve to be in the top 50, but on the low end.
The big problem with this list is that you guys focus more on quantity than quality. Just because a show lasts one season doesn’t mean it was bad or not worthy of a show that lasted six, sometimes it just means that certain show didn’t need a long time to tell its story.
Also, you guys don’t need to keep bringing up IGN’s list. Your list already topped them just by your bottom 20 alone.
Keep up the good work.
thanks frank! Yeah we will continue to bring up IGN in our list because we rank stuff that they haven’t.
Glad you are liking the podcast!
I don’t rate quantity over quality but there is still something to be said for a show that lasts multiple seasons. Regardless of how long it takes to tell a story, ratings wise and avoiding cancellation for 5+ years is impressive no matter what! Thanks for the kind comments and keep listening man!!
I kind of regret my last comment. I wasn’t trying to accuse you guys of choosing quantity over quality, it just seems like for those shows that last a season or two you guys seem to prefer longer running series, and some long running series do suck (K.O.T.H ). Also, if any of you guys have Netflix I would suggest giving anime such as Bebop a try.
I’ve actually been working on my own top 100 animated series list since I came across IGN’s list a couple weeks ago (it’s very hard, especially when you’re solo). As a matter of fact, I found out about you guys from a comment on the IGN’s list board.
Sorry to rant and be a bother. Can’t wait until the next episode.
Glad you are liking the show!
As far as quantity VS quality, most of the 1 season things we mention is the anime stuff. As we’ve said we aren’t anime aficionados. Also we aren’t doing any research on the shows beforehand as besides kev none of us know what is ranking where.
So if we sound like we are just brushing a series off it’s because we probably know nothing about it.
If you want a really awesome anime review podcast check out Animezing Podcast at earth-2.net.
If you want more in depth cartoon talk check out ToonCast from us. You aren’t being a bother any and all feedback is welcome.
I appreciate it but to tell you the truth I’m mainly familiar with the anime on your list and DBZ, Naruto, Pokemon, Digimon, yugioh… basically anything widely known or regarded as the best.
What makes your podcast awesome (IMO) is that you guys aren’t afraid to speak your minds, even if it goes against popular opinion.
It’s sort of like the view, but it doesn’t suck.
hahahahahahahaha BEST COMMENT EVER! Thanks!
LOl well when started the Network Steve and I agreed that it would be Explicit!
I’m always one to speak my mind for the most part. To hell with being Politically Correct.
Yeah Idk who it was but the guy that dissed Family Guy is awesome. He hit the nail on the head.
If anything inspires my top 100 list it would be this, not IGN’s.
it was either me or JT as Kevin loves the damn show. I don’t outright hate family guy as much as I do Ren and Stimpy but still Family Guy sucks in my opinion.
I thought the first season or two was decent, and FG is okay for a laugh or two but the plots are just… and the characters… have the writers of this show ever heard of continuity? And can’t they have jokes that derive from the characters or plot instead of random flashbacks?
I do have to say Ren and Stimpy is truly overrated. If you’re a kid on a sugar rush then it is probably enjoyable for you but other than that I really don’t see it.
Wow couldn’t disagree with you more on that Frank!
I think Frank the bunny is gonna be the new mascot of ToonCast Beyond woohoo!!! finally someone who agrees with me!
@Optimus – I could see how you like the show. I used to be a fan but my taste changed over time. On the bright side many people love FG, whereas if I express my opinion to someone about it I get looked at as if I’m an alien or something.
@TFG1 – It’s funny you say that. Idk if you’re familiar with the film ‘Donnie Darko’. You see, Frank the bunny is a character, and a scary looking one at that.
@EJKorvette her name is Shapiro not Scwartz 😉
I can grant that Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends is the best of the Spider-Man cartoons, but that’s not saying much. I will say that I definitely have fond memories of Spider-Man sharing the same voice as Bumblebee.
Clone Wars… way too low. Should be much higher, and that other piece of crap has no business being higher. Ahsoka… dead at Grievous’ feet! That’s where she should be.
Danger Mouse is cool. I love those old British cartoons they used to show on Nick.
However, Super Mario Super Show should not be a top list of any kind. I would sooner put Saturday Supercade on a list like this. Peter Cullen as Mario, baby! PETER CULLEN!
lol that would be weird though neil. Cullen as Mario … yeah WEIRD!!!
But it happened! Peter Cullen as Mario. It’s Saturday Supercade, where all your video game friends get together. And it had Soupy Sales as Donkey Kong.
ohhh I get it now lol I thought you were just makin shit up as you went lol
care bears personally it should not be on this list
aladin i prefer the movie over the tv show
captain N the game master nothing to say
gummy bears ok placement
space ghost coast to coast needs to be lower
spiderman and his amazing friends ok placement
johnny quest good placement
dexter’s labortory i don’t want any hate but i think this should be a little bit higher
deathnote needs to be higher very interesting animation and very wierd characters
batman the brave and the bold should not be on this list
doug one of the original nick shows this should be higher top 60 at least
danger mouse should be higher
the critic good placement
super mario show should not be on this list
star wars clone wars 2003 perfer the movies over this one
johnny bravo ok placement
bravstarr nothing to say
sliverhawks good theme song ok placement
cowboy bebop needs to be a little bit higher
phineas and ferb why higher than recess needs to be lower