Crisis on Earth-X and Justice League Review

Hello and welcome to Legends of the Brave and

the Bold. I'm your host, Steve Megatron Phillips,

and in this episode, instead of TFG1 Mike, we

still have a Mike here, but he hasn't been on

the podcast in a while. I haven't been on this

podcast, period. Yeah, that is true. You have

not been on this one. You've been on Altered

Geek and among other ones. But yeah, this is

Mike Booth Ninja Powers. Hello. Hello. And so,

as I mentioned in a previous Altered Geek of

moving essentially all the superhero and DC -related,

well, at least the DC -related content over here,

it's only fitting that we talk about, well, the

CW crossover, Justice League and... The fact

that DCU is really falling off the deep end at

this point Yeah, that's one way of putting it

You know between the the the Batman and the air

thing and and you know the universe falling apart

as it were TV seems to have it all together as

opposed to the film universe Yeah, but I mean

on the TV side of things you get like You could

put a story out there and get like a bad backlash

and then like three episodes later They will

have corrected it, you know because of the writer

the writing room in the way TV is structured

you put out a bad movie and Two years later.

Yeah, you've got to wait two years for someone

to fix it if they're gonna fix it. Yeah, that's

true So my cat's gonna sneeze get ready for that

everybody Sorry, mine's bothering me on my keyboard.

So he has he has sneezing fits So it sounds like

a spring sprinklers going off here in a second.

Oh He's gonna know keep staring at me after he's

like he's doing the wind -up And then he just

stares at me. That's funny. I'm gonna ruin your

podcast My cat thinks that all the time so I

Actually, I had a really interesting idea here

um With the crossover episodes from DC yes I

guess we can kind of start there. Yeah, since

that's probably going to be the later point of

this episode. But I wanted to know because I

haven't listened to this, the The Legends podcast

and I haven't I haven't been able to follow along

with a whole lot of the geek cast stuff or see

your opinion, Steve, or Mike's opinion on Twitter

or Facebook if there was one. But this is the

second Arrowverse crossover that they've done.

Yes. Just briefly, just so I have a frame of

reference, what was your opinion of the first

one? I mean, I don't want to go too in -depth

into it or anything like that, but how did you

come down on the first crossover? Well, the first

crossover I felt wasn't that bad, although the

way the Supergirl thing came down was kind of...

She wasn't there. She wasn't really there. I

mean she was there, but she wasn't there like

it was like a afterthought of adding your end

well Yeah, well it not only that was it like

an afterthought It was like they didn't have

anything for her to do No, and that whole that

whole arc right there was kind of just it was

just there their first way of putting them all

together on the same screen instead of Having

something coherent to do it kind of reminded

me of the way Justice League seasons 1 and 2

treat Superman. Which is, he has nothing to do

and when he does have something to do, he's getting

the tar beaten out of him. Like, in my opinion,

I don't feel like Superman actually gets to be

Superman until Justice League. Like, Justice

League Unlimited, I'm sorry. um because they

find they they finally find a way to use him

in a way that actually can show off his strength

or or what what what superman actually is but

like and i'm not saying like the betrayal of

superman is bad i'm just saying they don't know

how to use him in action sequences because at

the end of the day superman is like all superheroes

rolled into one it rolled into one and it's like

well we have to have him because he's in the

justice league but we don't know how to use him

so anybody who's anybody can just slug him in

the face and knock him around like a ping -pong

ball. So what you're saying is that's why Batman

always wins? Yeah. But I feel like that was what

happened with Supergirl in the first crossover.

It's like we have her, but it's either we don't

have the money to use her properly, or we don't

know how to use her properly amongst these other

heroes. Makes sense. And so that was my biggest

disappointment with the first crossover. Yeah,

that first crossover was a bit of a mess. This

one, on the other hand, the Nazi thing aside,

because it seems to be the thing to go to these

days, although people were giving them flak for

that after it aired, but they forget that shows

were doing this 10 years ago, too. I mean, if

you look at Star Trek Enterprise. They had multiple

episodes with an entire Nazi arc Well, let's

not forget up until this last year Nazis were

the bad guys. Yeah Like like up until a year

ago Nazis Nazis sympathizers were idiots In my

opinion they still are but They didn't think

that they had a soapbox to stand on. And now,

because, not to get political, but because of

our dipshit president, they have a soapbox. So,

of course everyone, everything old is new again.

Yeah, that's kind of the cycle of everything.

Getting into the episodes like this felt like

a much more cohesive Set of episodes that kind

of set themselves apart is like their own movie

in a sense And they shared the same title sequence

they weren't you know, you weren't watching arrow

You weren't watching legends or Supergirl or

the flash. They were all crisis on Earth X Right.

It definitely felt like this was not like if

you're no I say this next part having not seen

the following the Aftermath episodes like the

episodes that come after the crossover but like

it definitely felt more like Like if you were

to if they were to release like the season box

set like did this episode wouldn't be included

or or All four episodes would be included in

each box set Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean

I could see that and I've seen all the episodes

following it and there's little bit of Continuity

speech wise that's that's added in There are

things that happen. Yeah Well, there were things

that happened and in things that were referenced

in the follow -up episodes after these after

the crisis, but it really wasn't of consequence

on the general arc of the seasons Right, it was

like you could take them out and it wouldn't

matter Right for the most part So but that said

My opinion of This crossover. I mean, I don't

get me wrong. I like the way that they structured

it. I like that it felt like Four continuous

episodes rather than here's your episode of arrow.

Here's your episode of flash. Here's your episode

supergirl like I like that they all felt like

one continuous episode and it didn't matter whose

show it was that it aired on. I like that. And

the one thing that I just didn't care for is

the same thing I didn't care for about the first

crossover is that they didn't know what to do

with Supergirl again. Well, they had they had

Evil Supergirl, though, so they they had to have

her fight her. Well, OK, that's in the first

episode. And then Supergirl very quickly becomes

captured and strapped to a table for two episodes

Red Sunchair Yeah, and then I mean, yeah, she

gets to come out and play in the fourth episode.

So they finally gave her something to do but

it there really was that There's there's the

she booked her her actions what they allowed

her to do just basically book ended The the movie

right yeah Because they couldn't think of something

for her there. I felt like they again. They didn't

know how to utilize her in a team structure And

Yeah And also speaking of Supergirl are we offering

up spoilers here is supposed to be like spoiler

free oh no no definitely spoilers, okay um What

Maybe you can help me out here because you talked

about having that photographic memory I remember

the scene, but I don't remember which episode

it is. It's when arrow white canary Flash Supergirl,

I think oh, it's the end of the second episode

when they all get captured. Yep, okay There is

a in that montage for everyone's fighting everybody

There is a part where SS Supergirl is fighting

White Canary. What? Like, how? Like, who? And

it's not like they didn't make it like front

and center. Like, it's a background fight that's

going on and like this wide shot of all the heroes

and the villains fighting each other. But like,

it was such a mismatch that it stuck out to me.

Like, there's this it's it's it like Supergirl

literally has White Canary pinned up against

a concrete pillar. And I was like, how is White

Canary does not pulp? Like, that is not a that

is not a combat pairing that ends in any other

way than White Canary dying again. You know what

I'm saying? Yeah, the only thing I can think

that they they thought with that is is because

SS Supergirl was Supposedly injured from You

know the yellow Sun and and the red Sun and you

know all this other However, they they made this

work in their mind with the Sun thing Yeah Because

I was a little confused Also did SS Supergirl

not know about kryptonite apparently not yeah

that also kind of that kind of stuck out to me

which was which was humorous that Oliver had

an arrow just like the Dark Knight returns yeah

I just accepted piercer instead of turning into

dust like I don't want I think I said this on

Twitter does the does the No, this is this is

kind of turning into an overall discussion of

the arrow verse in general for me Only because

I haven't been able to talk about this with with

geeky people besides my wife But does the existence

of Bruce Wayne in the arrow verse kind of knock

Arrow down a peg yeah, like like You're like

they spent like it drives me nuts. They keep

they've referenced him on numerous occasions

and in both arrow and And in in legends and in

Supergirl and in you know the flash they've they've

all referenced it Just like they've referenced

Green Lantern in in both the flash and arrow

Yeah, I've only ever caught the one reference

of Bruce Wayne. That's because they hit it like

right on the head you mean because uh they call

them out yeah they call them out by name but

like like i feel like like they spent six seasons

trying to build aro into batman and they make

him they they make him feel or make all of his

stuff feel batmanish or or batman -y um even

though that's never what aro actually is and

i feel like the fact that Again, you said they've

mentioned him multiple times, but the minute

they mentioned him by name, like they did in

this season, I feel like that just knocks Arrow

down. Not just like a peg, but all the way down

to the bottom, where Arrow is supposed to be.

Your stuff doesn't matter. Arrow's third -tier

Justice League. Right. And the Flash is first

tier and so is Martian Manhunter and Supergirl

is like second tier. Right, but they've spent

so much time trying to make Arrow into Batman

that now that you've referenced Batman, like,

you've just erased everything. Like, I'm just

saying, I feel like it just knocks him down a

peg. Yeah, and I get that. It's so weird to do

that. Well, they first referenced it in the flash

with that whole time travel room that the Yabard

-Thon Harrison Wells would go into with the newspaper

thing. Yeah. Because it said Wayne Industries,

you know, completes Takeover of Queen Consolidated.

Oh, OK. All right. So that was that was one.

Then they had Wayne Tech show up somewhere. And

then they had, you know, in Legends, the reference

of, you know, I've seen Man of Steel, you know

something in Dark Nights Fall and then oh Yeah,

okay now that you're calling out these references.

I'm yeah, I I think I think the first time they've

ever called him out by name though Was this season

like? Everything else is just like kind of a

nod at the camera, right? Like they've never

yeah, they've never said his name They've they've

referenced his character in his persona, you

know, even in Supergirl there was you know, the

Gotham thing or the You know, my cousin fought

with a vigilante once blah blah blah. Yeah, you

know also, you know, the thing that really bothers

me with the crossover and I know this is this

is just me like geeking out about continuity

and like all the little like ins and outs and

the in the weaving of like, you know, all these

complex stories that you know, Marvel tells DC

is doing on like the on the on the small screen

like like you've cast Superman. You've used him.

Twice? Three times or four, but still. Like,

why isn't he in these Arrow crossovers? Like,

I get it's because you have Superman, and I just

complained about the fact that they can't come

up with anything for Supergirl to do. Like, obviously

there's no way they came up with something for

Superman to do. That's why they took him out

of the episodes. Right. And they made him a zombie

in one episode. But I'm just like, I'm like,

you've cast him. Like, why is he not used? like

more but that's just and I get it but it's because

they can't find a reason to well it's and they

don't want to overshadow Supergirl because again

it's her show but there's no reason why they

couldn't send them over to the Arrowverse do

you think because Supergirl is on her own earth

yeah do you think there's ever I kind of thought

that they might do it here or they might have

done it with like flashpoint But do you think

they'll ever like collapse the universes on each

other? I kind of wish they would because I would

like to see I would like to see you know Martian

Manhunter Supergirl and Superman like join the

arrow verse I would too. I'm just it seems like

if they were gonna do it. They would have done

it Yeah, and and the fact that they just have

that stupid gimmick where she just like can open

up a portal Well, yeah, they did that a while

ago, but yeah, I know they did it a while ago

But like I completely I forgot about it until

I didn't forget about it Well, they had that

episode where last season where she came over

against like the Mr. Mitzi plicks or whatever

Mixle Pitlick. Whatever. I can't pronounce the

name. I can say it because it was really easy

to say in Smallville. Mixle Pitlick. OK. He was

my favorite character in Smallville. Well, one

of my favorite characters in Smallville. He was

a one off in this. And so like he he did that

thing with the Flash and Supergirl and kind of

locked him in that. Yeah, sleep land. So. But

yeah, the they I don't know. I wish that at this

point that they would just bring in Bruce Wayne

like cast him and then even if he's not portraying

Batman except for like here or there I just feel

like he just this is admitting that he exists

in this universe Just Like makes you realize

in the in the Batman stories, we know it makes

you realize how trivial Arrow actually is And

it also bums me out that like he's never he's

never been referenced With anything to do with

the Lake League of Shadows Yeah, that kind of

bothers me too, especially when they've had They've

never referenced Nissa before but Talia does

show up. Mm -hmm Ben Roz. Yep, like like it but

they all treated him like he was Bruce Wayne

Okay, all right So I like the I like the cross

at this crossover More than the first one because

like I said, it flowed a lot better And they

did end off kill off a character which I knew

was going to be leaving the show anyway But I

didn't expect in a bit to leave in that way.

I kind of did But that's because then it's definitive

like he was kind of referencing he didn't want

to come back Like I like seeing all the different

characters like I like seeing all the characters

from Earth X all that stuff I like how they keep

bringing back Captain Cold Yeah No, okay wait,

it's Weather Wizard that is the one that's very

rarely used, right? Yeah, Captain Cold comes

back quite often It's snark. Yeah. Yeah, I snark

my wife and I love snark. He's well, I'd like

the actor he's Awesome. Anyway, I I like the

way I don't know if that's how he is with all

of his characters like a Ryan Reynolds type thing

But I like his like the way he delivers his dialogue.

He's usually pretty dry I mean he's dry in this

too, but like he's less snarky in his other stuff.

Like if you watch him on prison break Which I

haven't He's that shows so good continuity wise

and writing wise. It's They wrote a fifth season

to it which but is he is he like a Ryan Reynolds

type actor where he delivers all of this stuff

the same way Or is it or or or is his Captain

Cold unique? I've seen him in other roles and

he's he's usually his prison break persona see

we like we like the The character he plays is

Captain Cold. We just like the way that he delivers

his lines. It was really interesting to see the

good Captain Cold. That was really cool. The

funny thing of him and Heatwave, they played

brothers in Prison Break, which is why they have

such good chemistry here. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. And so it's funny to see them get to work

together again. But, yeah, I mean, that was one

of the aspects I liked. And then I liked the

fact that, you know, they brought back Ibarathon

yet again. Still not explaining how this particular

iteration of them was alive, but... I don't think

you ever have to explain that with a speedster.

Like, I think that's just one of the things that

they get away with. It's kind of like... A speedster

in the DC universe is kind of like Doctor Who.

They just regenerate because the speed force

allows it. Or they just exist now because they've

already been there at that time. Like when they

died, when that Eobard Thawne had already died,

the events that we saw already in Earth X or

the Earth X crossover had already happened for

him. You know I'm saying like like he still died

when he died, but we never saw him You know Barry's

hadn't confronted him on Earth Earth X yet Yeah,

that's true like like I feel like that's how

you get around that kind of stuff like like oh

He died when he died, but he had all this other

stuff happened when he was alive so we can just

put him in all of these different situations

and That's just how it is So But no, I you know,

I'm enjoying it. I think I think this season

me arrow is still On a hole so far going in like

the midseason breaks and stuff like that Well

midseason break, I will say They completely destroyed

his team See I haven't like I said, I haven't

seen anything post The Earth X crossover But

I feel like Ten or I feel like arrow is is still

the worst of all four shows. I think Supergirl

has been pretty bad this season It it's because

she's been like super emo and mopey. Yeah But

I will say flash has had a big turnaround. Yeah

So that's that's flash has been flash has been

fun and and I still love I still love legends

because Legends just allows the writers to do

whatever the hell they want pretty much Like,

the first season I didn't care for it much, but

after that I was pretty much set. So, and I don't

know if anyone has ever, any of the listeners

out there have ever, I know this is a DC thing,

but if any of the listeners out there have ever

read the Marvel comic Exiles, which is E -X -I

-L -E -S, if you're a fan of that and you're

not watching Legends, I suggest you start watching

Legends, because Legends is as close as we're

gonna get to an Exiles TV show. for the foreseeable

future. And the premise of Exiles is not unlike

Legends of Tomorrow, where various characters

in the X -Men universe are plucked out of existence

at the moment of their death. And they are tasked

with, and it's heroes and villains alike, they

are tasked with going to other dimensions and

other worlds and... Writing a specific wrong

in that world So like the writers get to make

up all these crazy things like you go to a world

where everyone's a hulk Nice and so you've got

iron man Hulk spider -man Hulk And like these

guys just get dropped in there They've got to

like fix something or they get dropped into a

world where like doom is the ruler of everything

Like it's so the writers get to have fun with

everything Yeah, that's like legends is as close

to a TV show of that as we're gonna probably

ever get so I'm I'm I'm still enjoying it's like

the only I mean, it's one of the Few like DC

things I'm going well ongoing TV shows and my

wife and I watch yeah, that's kind of the same

boat here like we always we make time for the

DC stuff, but like my My TV viewing, and I've

said this before on Altered Geek, my TV viewing

has fallen way off, but we've made time for the

DC stuff. See, I still watch the DC stuff, and

then I watch Lethal Weapon, and then Star Trek

Discovery, stuff like that still. Right. But

yeah, it's... pretty much mostly the DCTV stuff

that I tune into. And then they've got Black

Lightning coming in January. I want to check

it out, but I don't know how I feel about that.

Yeah, I'm kind of the same boat there. So have

you heard about how they're airing everything?

Like they're splitting Legends and Supergirl

to make room for Black Lightning? Yeah, I'm not

excited about that at all. It'll be interesting

to see how it works out and how that affects

each shows ratings more importantly Supergirl's

ratings I'm thinking it's gonna hurt some of

these shows. I think it's gonna hurt Supergirl

Yeah, I think it's gonna tear that show a new

one so Maybe that would give way to give make

them collapse it into Something else yeah Because

you haven't seen the the legends of tomorrow

midseason have you? No, I haven't okay, there's

a particular Character from a DC related property

You don't a DC related property in a DC show

it it it's from a DC show But ends up joining

the cast of Justice era of the the legends Is

it Wally West no Although that may eventually

happen just because he gets nothing to do on

the flash anymore and it would seem like the

next logical choice. Oh It's Do you want to know

it's not like huge it's Constantine. Oh Okay,

they made him a cast member at least for the

foreseeable future of this of the season because

you know, they're dealing with the the mystical

and the occult and You know who better to tackle

it than John Constantine Maybe you know this

The new chick that they picked up in Legends

of Tomorrow. Is that peace? from war and peace

Not to my knowledge. What is that? What or what

is it? What is the name of the? Hawk hawk and

dove is that dove? Don't think so, but I don't

I'm not too familiar with those characters Like

I'm only familiar with them from like I think

what was it Justice League unlimited? But I feel

like I feel like she's dove But I could be wrong

because I felt like I read somewhere that they

were bringing in Hawk and dove Into something

but I brought it up with with another friend.

He said he thinks it is it is dove but Yes, see

I'll uh, I'll have to dig into that a little

bit more because I'm not I'm not really sure

who she is though. Like are you just assuming

she's just some character? I'm just assuming

she's like kind of like some character that they

haven't really revealed See the fact that she

has a brother like there's no reason you can't

gender flip a role, right? So like obviously

Hawk and Dove and Justice League were two brothers

but there's no reason you couldn't gender flip

dove and make her a girl and you know her just

the way she talks about her brother being a hero

and and and trying to save you know things like

that that makes me think oh, oh You know Hawk

died and dove is trying to make up for it Don't

know if that's true. Like I said, I think I saw

it somewhere But like in my day -to -day life

now, like I don't have time to actually read

articles. I just read headlines We'll see she's

supposed to be like a criminal hacker member

of the legends. Her name is Zari Tomas Yeah,

but that doesn't mean anything. No, I mean it

could be anything but I'm wondering If you know

Because she has like her own totem type thing

Yeah, I mean, I don't remember what Hawke and

Dove's powers were I just remember They were

something weird and opposite each other But Wasn't

Hawke just strong and Dove fast? I have no idea.

I like I mean I've got minimal Exposure to those

characters because this is why we need Mike on

this podcast. You'd probably know Or maybe not

He might not, but we'll never know. Yeah, she's

got the air totem. All of her powers come from

her necklace, which manipulate the air. So essentially,

she could possibly technically fly. So she's

Avatar. With computer hacking ability. Oh, well,

I mean, I'm sure Aang would have had computer

hacking ability if they had computers. That just

makes sense. Yeah, she can harness the abilities

and powers of Isis apparently which Yeah, I don't

know well either way it'll be interesting to

see where it goes like I said I swear I saw a

headline that mentioned Hawk and Dove Coming

to something and the only place where I've seen

new characters introduced so far has been Legends

of Tomorrow, so I'm I I personally Would be be

surprised to find out that she is the Legends

of Tomorrow interpretation of Dove. Well, the

other thing that's funny is she also sent, did

you see the episode with Helen of Troy? Yeah,

she sent me the Themyscira. Yeah, which essentially

sets up the first, you know, type thing to, you

know, the Wonder Woman connections. Well, it's

the first time they've actually hinted at Wonder

Woman in this series. Or any series. Yeah. And

so they they centered a Themyscira which which

is funny Just in of itself that that they've

they've referenced, you know Batman and Wonder

Woman in this season alone So I would just wish

that they would either stop referencing it or

actually use it Yeah, I still hold out hope that

they're gonna like Tom willing is this arrow

versus Superman? I think it would be funny if,

well, Tom Welling wants to join the Flash. Like

he wants to be on the show. Only if he is somehow

Superman. I think he should be, but that's, and

I kind of talked about that when they were talking

about it and it was kind of big news and he's

like, I want to join the show, blah, blah, blah.

You know, and if they contact me, I'll do it.

I think it would be funny if he actually did

portray Superman on the Arrow. Earth. Earth War.

Except his Superman already had an arrow. Yeah.

But there's no reason they couldn't pull him

from another multiverse. Yeah. No, I get it.

I get it. It's all interesting to see what they

can do. I mean, if you had a lot of open doors,

they have a lot of shows. I just wish they'd

get Batman at some point. put these guys in their

place uh only if it's only if it ends up being

like what could the next cross only if the next

crossover was named doom and it's batman coming

in and and taking out everybody mopping the floor

with them all yep and then he's just sitting

there like in the uh chair of knowledge it's

like i've never met you guys but i still know

how to take all of you down he's like you guys

all suck you're like Second third fourth tier

characters except for the flash and then you

know, I still take you down because I know So,

you know that all aside what were your thoughts

on Justice League oh Boy So As anyone that's

listened to alter geek the few episodes that

I've been on in the run -up to Justice League

The release of Justice League and I don't know

if I had a chance to share these like I I Love

Zack Snyder films. I loved Man of Steel I I find

Enjoyment in Batman v Superman like I find it

watchable Especially the extended edition which

you know the extension doesn't make up for what

they released in theaters, but it's kind of like

you know Lord of the Rings like I don't watch

the theatrical release of a Lord of the Rings

movie I watched the extended cut of the Lord

of the Rings movie, you know, like that that

is the cut that matters to me so Same thing with

that movie Superman and I I like all of Zack

Snyder's films like From the get -go when they

announced that he was taking over for a brand

of steel Like he was gonna bring Superman to

the big screen like that was like he would And

I still feel this way like he was the only guy

that I felt that could bring The Superman that

I know the Superman that I like which is the

Justice League Superman Like especially the Justice

League Unlimited Superman I was I thought he

was the only guy that could bring that Superman

to the big screen And I feel like he did that

like but and and I feel like he did it again

with Man of Steel I feel like he did with Man

of Steel and I feel like he did it with Batman

v Superman. But where I will knock Snyder a little

bit, like it's a backhanded compliment, okay.

You can see it with Watchmen. You can see it

with 300. And you can, Dawn of the Dead isn't

a comic, but it's a remake of another movie,

right? I feel like he... Kind of like This is

gonna sound like so much blasphemy He like JJ

Abrams is really good at paying homage to the

source material Like JJ Abrams can make a Steven

Spielberg movie like super 8 yeah, he can make

a George Lucas movie like episode 7, you know,

he he he's But like so I feel like Snyder for

better or worse is really good at bringing the

comic to the big screen like verbatim for the

most part right in in terms of the look in terms

of the costumes all that stuff and that was great

but i can also see how that doesn't work out

so well like people complained about like the

the the the mechanical bat suit in Batman v Superman

Yeah, I liked it, but but I liked it too, but

it's it it you know Sometimes it doesn't look

right and that's not what the bad people that

know but that that's the Batman from the source

material Like that he was drawing from he brought

that to the screen Having said all that I had

Real high expectations for Justice League. I

liked where he was going I feel like you know

there are people out there that saying like Follow

-up movie cannot save the movie that came before

it so like You know the end of man of steel people

were really mad about the whole like destruction

in the city And that's the discussion that's

been had and done and over with but like they

tried to make up for it with man of steel Or

better be Superman, so it's like they tried they

didn't quite succeed, but you're okay And I kind

of hope that they were just constantly building

off of what he did before. And I was really hoping

Justice League would capitalize on that. And

for all intents and purposes, knowing what we

knew and following it through production, this

movie went from being two movies to being one

movie to being a movie by committee. to all of

a sudden like and then it changed directors like

I I Feel really bad for Zack Snyder And and and

the reason I feel bad is because You know, we

all know as as geeks and nerds and everything

We all know that he left the production of Justice

League at the beginning of the year, right? Yep

and it was due to family problems, and that's

admirable. But seeing what was released in theaters,

I feel like he tried to bury himself in work

to get over his family tragedy, and he couldn't

fight both the studio and deal with what was

going on in this family. And he chose, in my

opinion, rightly so, I feel like he chose the

right thing and went to be with his family. And

was like, this isn't even my, you know, my movie

anymore. I think visually the movie is a mess.

The the coloring in scenes doesn't even carry

over like especially in in shots that are in

the same location There are shots It was really

noticeable in a shot when they're all in the

bad cave like you know going over exposition

That it's like this shot was done by Snyder and

you can tell by the film grain and all the effects

that are laid over everything but then the next

shot is a reverse angle, and all of the post

stuff is gone. And it looks like a real clean

film. Like here's Snyder's shot. Here's Avengers.

And then here's a reshoot from the other side,

from the exact same area. And there's so much

stuff in the movie like that, my wife even noticed

it. So it's not even just me going in there.

and and and recognizing the stuff my wife noticed

it um there were a lot of things that i just

felt i just felt bad like it wasn't i don't think

i don't i don't think the movie was offensive

i don't think it was i think it was just safe

like they made the safest thing that they could

based off of like audience feedback and Whether

I agree with that or not like I Just don't think

it was Like it did anyone did did you notice

how how much younger Ben Affleck happened to

look in this movie? Yeah Then he did and yet

they made all the quips that he was too old for

that Yeah in in in Batman v Superman. He looked

like like 15 years younger in this movie well,

it's a lot of Rogaine I just This I really wish

we could have like there was all that talk about

the justice like the Snyder cut of the movie

I want to see that I I Would pay real money to

see that I don't even want to see it in the theater

I just want to see it because I want to see the

final I Want to see what he was trying to do

and I just can't not feel bad for the guy because

you remember these rumors, right? Where even

Batman v Superman was supposed to be two movies?

Yep. Like it was Enter the Night and Dawn of

Justice. Yep. And then it got condensed down

into like one movie. Batman v Superman, Dawn

of Justice. Yeah, and it's like, it's... And

then this was supposed to be Justice League part

one and then part two. Right and it was supposed

to end with like them bringing in like Darkseid

and now we're not even going to get that like

Oh Everything that he tried to do just got like

thrown out the window in and what really bothers

me and it's it's more glaring with Justice League

than it is with Batman v Superman or Man of Steel

like Snyder chose a look that allowed him to

hide or allowed the studio to hide or the who

were the special effects team to hide computer

generated imagery because he put a like a lip

like it's from a comedian but a little bit of

Vaseline on the camera lens of life like like

there was a look to those movies that allowed

you to that made it so that regardless of what

was in the shot whether it was like green screen

or or practical like it all looked the same because

there was this aesthetic applied to the whole

thing that aesthetic is gone from Justice League

so anything that is not real like stands out

like a sore thumb because there's no there's

no consistency anymore you mean like the whole

fight scene with Superman being back from life

and they're back to life and they're in that

middle of that plaza fighting him Yes, and unfortunately,

that's the One of the only scenes in the movie

that I actually like because that's what I wanted

to see like I was so giddy during that that whole

that whole thing like that is that that that

scene right there was worth my $15 ticket like

that that's what I wanted to see and Unfortunately,

I wish it would have gone on longer. I wish we've

got I wish That whole Steppenwolf thing at the

end was just utter garbage. I wish the whole...

See, I feel like what part one was supposed to

be was... The resurrection? Well, it was supposed

to be like a... Granted, I'm not so familiar

with the comics, right? So my stuff comes from

all the animated series, okay? I have a little

bit of comic knowledge as well. So I thought

that this was going to be kind of a... a retelling

of Justice League War, the movie. Okay. Okay.

And, but with the twist of the last three episodes

of Superman the Animated Series. Which is where

Superman has been brainwashed by Darkseid. Mm

-hmm. Like, I thought that's what this first

movie was going to be. That's what I thought

it was gonna be. And then all of a sudden, it's

not that, except for that one... That one small

moment and and my wife was even shocked and she's

like that he can do that I said yes because the

thing about Superman that we haven't seen is

that he's literally every superhero rolled into

one like that That and so he is capable of doing

exactly what you're seeing here and I will admit

that moment So here's the thing. I've always

made the I've I've always made the argument that

Man of Steel ends the way that it does because

he's not Superman. I Feel like the first time

we've got to see him be Superman was the end

of this movie Yeah, or like like like this movie

was him literally becoming Superman and I get

like you know He's partially changed because

he came back from the dead and that's fine if

that makes him that's an interesting way to make

him like the Superman that everyone like Enjoys

And that is the Superman that I enjoy to a certain

extent, but like, I don't like the Boy Scout

Superman. Like, I didn't mind, I didn't mind

what Zack Snyder was trying to put on screen.

So I was really bummed out when Joss took over.

And I was bummed again when Junkie XL left and

they replaced him with Tim Burton. Oh, not Tim

Burton. I agree with all of your points about

the visuals because I did notice how clunky it

was and in the fact that As much as I was looking

for that kind of more brighter polished look

it does not work with DC And I could Honestly

see that and we kind of and I think he predicted

this that everybody was going to try and give

Snyder crap for this You know or possibly give

him crap for this and that Joss was going to

ruin this movie This got Announced way back when

and that people would rather see what Snyder

had You know debating whether there was a a Snyder

cut or not It may prove to be more feasible if

they put out a Snyder cut than the Jaws cut at

this point. What was My argument was at the time

was you're not gonna know who's responsible for

what scene and It was but you're almost can it

with the visuals. Oh Almost it I guess it depends

on how much was like set like before Snyder walked

away, right? Yeah Because if you have entire

scenes that were reshot not just If you have

entire scenes that were reshot, it's it's harder

to tell but if you have like Cuts inside of a

scene that were reshot like the scene that I

referenced earlier in the Batcave That's really

easy to tell what you know, what was what Zack

had left versus what was reshot and it's But

my argument was if this movie is good It's gonna

be because just fixed it If it's bad, it's gonna

be because Zack Snyder directed it like and and

that's not fair like we're not gonna know who

did what work now and Not that I want to not

that I want to put the blame like one way or

the other but That's just but again, and I've

said this on alter deep but this is for the people

that listen to this and not alter deep I don't

worse about the altar of just weed The man in

my opinion has made one good show and that's

firefly and I've recently gone on record as saying

I don't even know if firefly is that good like

I I will not rewatch firefly Because in my head

it is good Yeah, and I've discovered that with

a lot of content if I go back and watch it it

ruins it for me So I just choose to live in the

nostalgia of the fact that it was awesome and

then just leave it there Right cuz like we've

had this conversation about a number of things

like you know, it's You guys are huge Transformers

fans, but I go back and try to watch Transformers

just so I can try to have a conversation with

you guys and I can't watch it. I will say this,

it is difficult to watch and that's coming from

a Transformers fan. But that's just kind of how

I feel about Firefly. When I watched Firefly,

Firefly was the best sci -fi, the best TV show

I've ever seen, but I have seen so much stuff.

And television has come so far as a medium since

2004. There's no way that that series holds up

as anything more than what it is in your head.

And that's just me saying I don't worship Joss.

And I also have gone on record as saying I don't

think Avengers could have been anything but what

it was because of how Marvel is as a studio.

I mean, I have pre -ordered Justice League. I

immediately pre -ordered it when I got home.

In the movie's defense, when I watched it, I

got done working a 70 -hour week, and I went

to a 10 -45 showing at night. So I was not happy

about work. I was tired. I was exhausted. I haven't

seen the movie since like I do want to watch

it again to see if it doesn't hold up, but I

just there was so much about The movie Like okay

What one of the opening scenes is with Wonder

Woman, right? Yeah, and there's a bank. Yeah,

and she's Dodging deflecting like assault rifle

bullets like she's not the flash Like she's not

Superman Like that that part right right from

the get -go I was rubbed the wrong way Like there

are there are at least three other ways. You

could have shown how awesome Wonder Woman is

other than Negating the need to have the flash

in your movie. Well, she could have whipped her

shield through Could have done any number of

things But like and then and then and then like

I thought the flash was really good I thought

he was a really good comic relief. He was exactly

what I wanted. Still don't care for the suit.

No, I still don't care for the suit. I did like

what they ended up doing with Cyborg by the end

of the movie. Oh, he was so... Was it just me

or did he look worse when they covered him up?

I think he looked better after they covered him

up. See, I feel like, okay, when he was out,

when he was being Cyborg, when he wasn't wearing

the sweatpants and the hoodie... Thought he looked

really good when they put the hoodie on him.

I thought it looked really bad. Are you talking

about the metal? Yeah, like like where they made

him look like his cartoon version. Oh, it's site

Well, I'm just saying like cyborg. He looked

like Well, you okay. Obviously you have scenes

where he's walking around in a hoodie and sweatpants,

right? Yeah, like the hoodie wasn't real or it

didn't look real like it it looked like they

CGI'd a hoodie on this guy like You're telling

me you couldn't have put like football pads underneath

this guy and have him wear a real hoodie? Like

that's what I'm talking about. Like it's those

kind of effects like they don't look right because

you can't wash them out. They're not getting

washed out. And so it's I felt like anytime he

was in the hoodie and sweatpants, he just looked

he looked really bad. But anytime he was like

like he was like out from He was trying to hide

his cyborgness. I thought he looked pretty good.

I loved Aquaman. Aquaman was awesome. I don't

know how I felt about Batman. I really don't.

Because it's not... It's not... It's not Zack's

Batman. No. He's not... He's... That's the one

thing I do have to say is that he possibly gave

us the best Bruce Wayne Batman iteration and

costume that we've ever gotten. And it makes

me really... We're going to talk about this a

little bit, but that also makes me really bummed

out about the Matt Reeves situation. I wanted

to see more... Superman was fine, but in the

last action scene in the movie... It was really

weird the way they chose to, like, use him. Like,

he comes in out of nowhere, literally punches

the villain once, and then, like, completely

turns his attention towards making, like, you

know, funny Superman -esque type comments and

going and saving people, while the rest of the

team continues to get their butt whooped by the

super -powered villain. Like, apparently only

Superman can hurt. And then he comes back and

punches him one more time, and the whole film

is like... pretty much over. It's just interesting

the way that they chose to use him because it

goes back to what we talked about earlier. They

didn't know how to use him in the context and

I feel like Zach would have. I feel like Zach

was building up to a way... I said this early

on. I said this in a tweet. Well, we didn't even

get to see the black suit Superman. I could care

less about that, but we were never going to get

the villain Superman that I wanted to see. Right.

We weren't going to get to see the Herald. Like,

no, there was no. At least in this cut, what

we got like, I don't see where that would have

happened, you know, like the the string that

would have led to Herald Superman or Black Suit

Superman, like those threads aren't. They're

not in the movie, like you don't they're if they

are, they're hidden really well. But. I think

most of the problem is is Warner Brothers can't

get out of its own way So there's I give them

I give Joss and Zack both credit and I said this

on Twitter I give them and I'll give them both

credit for this. I said on Twitter that if Zack

or Joss don't use Superman's speech from the

Justice League finale the Justice League unlimited

finale like As long as they don't use or blow

that speech in this movie, they really can't

do anything wrong. And you know what speech I'm

talking about, right? Vaguely, I haven't seen

that in a long time. It's the one that he gives

Darkseid where he's like, you know, he says that

man won't quit, you know, until he draws his

last breath. But me, on the other hand, I have

a different problem. I live in a world of cardboard.

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And he proceeds

to... You know, it's one of the coolest scenes

and then all of them did yeah, and he gets to

cut loose like I feel like that's the scene that

Zach was going to build towards us being able

to see and Again, this is me putting a lot of

faith in something No one will ever see this

is me geeking out about what a director had already

given me, you know, he gave me Two movies where

I thought that this was going to go and it didn't

so a lot of this is just on me and i have no

obviously no inside information whatsoever anything

but i feel like that is the type of speech that

we were going to be able to get and that was

the type of heroic moment that we were going

to be going to get but the most heroic thing

superman does is save an apartment full of people

like i don't i don't know and the last thing

i'll say before i and then i'll stop Bogarting

this entire conversation about the Justice League

movie and let you talk for a second Did you notice

that? And this stuck out like a sore thumb for

me Bruce Wayne's reason for killing Superman

is the exact same reason he has for bringing

him back to life. Yep. Yep I found that to be

like a glaring like Stupid plot line. It's it's

they changed like one. It's the same exact sentence

but they changed one word, and it means the exact

same thing. I was like, wait a minute, I thought

you were supposed to be the world's greatest

detective and the most logical person on the

planet. Your reason for killing him is the same

as your reason for bringing him back. It would

have made more sense to have had Darkseid revive

him and then have him restore his memory. It

100 % would have. And then having Bruce Wayne

have to use his detective skills to restore Superman's

memory would have been the more intelligent thing

to do. Or, I mean, they even still could have

used the mother box thing on them like they did

in the first place. Yeah. Like, but it should

not have been... Anyways, anyways, what... One

last thing. The Danny Elfman touches to the score,

uh, snap me out of the movie every single time.

I have to agree with you. While I do like Danny

Elfman's Batman theme, which I did notice was

prominently used, every time it changed to a

different character and they had a different

theme, it was really jarring. Well, I don't think

that was, I mean, that's something that happened

even under Snyder's watch, but I think it was

using the iconic stuff that made it stand out

more to me than anything else. But it also could

be like there really was no But I mean Wonder

Woman's reveal led to that awesome riff. Awesome

Wonder Woman riff, which is is that even in this

movie? Yeah. Just in the beginning, though, right?

Like, yeah, I don't remember hearing it very

prominently afterwards. So and I remember hearing

Elfman's Batman theme in The Dark Knight as well.

It's very subtle. I can't remember what scene

it is, but he Hans Zimmer, right? he does use

it but very sparingly like it's almost an undertone

it's not the theme and i don't know there's there's

stuff that i like about this movie but i think

i need to like i'm not willing to i've done nothing

but bash the movie but i'm not willing to give

a final verdict until i see what wanted brother

says is the actual final movie um There's been

a lot of I mean obviously there's been the whole

room about the Snyder cutter people want to see

the Snyder cut But now there's a there's a rumor

floating around that there is a director's cut

But it's not it's more of a Joss cut Like I guess

I don't I don't know So you've heard about this

right they want to release like a Superman trilogy

trilogy Yeah, it's Man of Steel. It's a box set

of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and a director's

cut of Justice League. No, I hadn't heard of

that. As like a Superman trilogy. Which, that's

a great spin. Yeah, I guess. However you make

that work. But did the Superman costume look

a little weird to you? The costume yeah like

like it you could see the the the little like

Plates they put under the suit to make them look

more muscly Yeah, that's I think that's a Joss

thing But you saw it too, right? That was me

I was like in his face when he smiled was the

most ridiculous thing in the world Because they

had to edit out his mustache Oh God, I don't

even want to talk about the mustache thing But

you could tell the scenes that he didn't have

it when it was originally shot in the ones that

they changed Yeah But man, I don't want to talk

about that was so jarring and that's such this

that's some petty studio shit right there Pardon

my language. That's that's all like well, whatever.

I I hope I swear to God If if if the villain

in the next Mission Impossible movie is not Henry

Cavill's mustache. I'm going to be really mad.

I hope it's like a crank situation where it's

where Henry Cavill has a sentient mustache on

his face. That's controlling his character. You

can't remove me. It just like quivers a little

bit when it talks. All right. yeah anyways what

okay what did you think um well for you know

i agree in the the sense of the the music that

was that was kind of jarring and then a lot of

the the cgisms i i found myself very confused

by what direction the story was going at times

because i couldn't tell it was kind of a mess

um Well, yeah, it's like sometimes sometimes

it was going where sometimes you could kind of

you could see where that what they were doing

and then sometimes the dialogue was extremely

weak like they basically like Fubar Batman in

this movie in Bruce Wayne like he was basically

a Bumbling idiot for the most part. It was like

it was like this is where we can see where Zack

Okay, I'm following along with the line that

Zack Snyder had laid down and then I was like,

okay now we just made a 90 -degree turn Yeah,

and I felt like Batman was one of the worst,

like, underutilized characters in this. And Wonder

Woman almost felt like the babysitter of everybody.

It's kind of like that one episode of Unlimited

where they're all kids. Yeah. So, I... I feel

bad for J .K. Simmons because I really like him

as an actor. He got screwed in that movie. I

really wish that they had left him... The which

was the original theory that James Gordon is

dead In the in the Batman in Snyder's universe

would have been better He wasn't he wasn't that

bad of a no he wasn't that he wasn't bad at all

I'm just saying like he was poorly used. He was

about as used as is having Superman's mom and

girlfriend show up Martha Ken, I mean that was

they were just pretty much throwaway scenes,

too Well, I think I think Lane needed to be there

because got a reset Superman Well, but that's

I think that is that that leads back to the flash

scene in better. Yes you like so Yeah, because

without her he just goes off the rails And that

was cool. That was cool to see that that that

come back around and pay off So But yeah, I mean

the the film overall was just I think it was

just a mess I mean I enjoyed it for what it was,

but I don't know if I would I Felt like it was

very lacking It it was definitely It was definitely

lacking I'm And now we just hear about how they're

scrambling again. It's like you you need to stop

trying to change movies halfway through shooting

and Everything will be fine like I Mean this

is like I feel like this is the problem like

they Okay, so every I Don't know how Wonder Woman

got by unscathed, okay, like It's almost a fluke

how it got by unscathed. So you've got Man of

Steel with nothing else in production, right?

So you immediately go into production with Batman

V Superman. And so along with Batman V Superman,

you start trying to build out this world and

you get Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman kind of

goes into production at the same time. And well,

pre -production, not production, but pre -production.

And Batman V Superman comes out. It ends up being

like this critical train wreck of a movie. And

so Warner Brothers decides, OK, Suicide Squad

needs to be funnier. So now we don't even get

the original cut of Suicide Squad. Like they

do reshoots on that to try to make it more appealing

rather than letting it exist as the director

intended. Which leads to a movie that doesn't

even make sense for the most part. I hate the

movie. In the loosest way possible, it makes

sense. Again, I liked the Joker in Suicide Squad.

Do I think the Joker should have been in Suicide

Squad? No, I do not. Because I think if the Joker

is in your movie, he is your movie. He is not

a side story in your movie. But anyways, Suicide

Squad ended up being a reshoot mess, and at the

same time they were doing that, They went into,

they were doing pre -production on Justice League,

right? So Wonder Woman comes out and gets crazy.

It does crazy well. Again, I don't know how it

got by unscathed. I really don't. But because

of the success of Wonder Woman, then they decide,

okay, we need to do reshoots and add more Wonder

Woman into Justice League. Like, you can't do

that. You have to let... This the original story

like unfold Otherwise all all you're doing is

making a movie by committee That's all DC's been

doing though so far I I I will still see whatever

comes whatever comes from it, but I Everyone

knows that And this is just me being sad, but

everyone knows that is done And that makes me

sad well I know that they were talking about

like I saw a bunch of articles after the fact

saying that Warner Brothers apparently was trying

to get rid of them anyway and and that goes back

to the way I started the conversation which was

I feel like he got tired of fighting for his

vision and Grieving over the loss of his family

member So he just said to heck with it and left

yeah like I you guys obviously don't Don't care

about my vision anymore. Yeah, I will be surprised

if he makes another movie for Warner Brothers

Which again in my opinion is a tragedy because

I think he's really good Not like Oscar worthy

or anything I don't I don't put him in the same

category as like Christopher Nolan or anything

like that But like I think he's good at what

he does So I but I do know he he directed the

stinger the credit sequence He directed that

this stuff with the flash and Superman and no

he he directed the Lex Luthor thing. Oh, yeah,

that that was really good They made Lex Luthor

actually Viable villain in this one. Well, did

you notice how they just made him look like Luthor?

Yeah I was like, okay, you guys are just rolling

back on everything. Well, and he didn't have

that crazy stutter stammer and like he was more

like the Justice League version. Yeah. So my

only my last little nitpick for the movie. I

was getting into this about the Flash because

I thought he was funny, but I didn't care for

the costume. What was up with him running? Like

he looked like Forrest Gump running as a child.

Did you notice this yeah like in and I had the

conversation with movie revolt Dan on Twitter

like I didn't know If it was oh, I can't think

of the actors name right now What's the guy's

name Ezra Miller I didn't know if it was Ezra

Miller doesn't know how to run properly or if

Barry Allen doesn't know how to run properly

Like but Dan said the way that he was running

made it kind of look like he was swimming through

the speed force which was kind of like How effortless

it was for him to move? I? Did but I thought

but I thought just like dumb Yeah, I I don't

particularly care for that at all so I would

have preferred that they just gone the the flash

television series version of running Now, I'm

very excited for, again, we don't know if this

is gonna happen yet, but I really hope that Flashpoint

ends up being the movie that we all want to see.

But... I doubt it at this point. If it's not,

if it's not Zack, or if it's... See? Flashpoint

is the perfect movie for Zack's art style. Oh

yeah, it's supposed to be a very dark world.

you could totally have Joss like do the intro

like if you wanted to again if you wanted to

split up directions you could have Joss do the

intro and like the the resolution but like let

Zach do everything in the middle because that

isn't that is entirely up his alley like I don't

know and if you don't have Jeffrey if you if

they aren't able to get Jeffrey Dean Morgan to

play Thomas Wayne. There's no point in doing

Flashpoint. No, none whatsoever. He said he wants

to do it. And that's fine that he wants to. But

given the given how things are right now, like

if Bonners doesn't want to cast him because he's

part of like the the legacy Zack Snyder stuff.

Like you, you, you clearly have no clue what

you're doing. And I'll also say this, if If Warner

Brothers is so keen in aping what Marvel and

Disney are doing with their superhero movies,

maybe they should also take a page out of Disney's

book and with Disney remaking all of their animated

stuff as live action. Just remake your animated

superhero movies as live action. Yeah, like Batman

Mask of the Phantasm and, you know. Or Justice

League Doom. Yeah, or or flashpoint or um, what

Justice League was supposed to be which is literally

Justice League war It is like yeah, it was done

better Yes, Justice League war is is way better

than we got on screen and it has everybody Like

oh Man it even I know Sam too, didn't it? Yeah

I think it had Shazam in place of... No, it had

Cyborg. Who did it have Shazam in place of? Aquaman?

Martian Manhunter, I think. I think. Maybe. Possible.

I'm going to look that up. They had Cyborg. What

do you think of that? What do you think of the

Rock going up against Zachary Levi? I don't know

what to think, honestly. Mean I can kind of see

it though. I mean they both have Have that look

I See I always thought that Shazam I see more

of a bulky I Always thought the rock should have

been Shazam And I think we've had this conversation

before yep because It looks like that they Justice

League war they had Batman Superman Wonder Woman

Green Lantern flash cyborg Shazam So they didn't

have Aquaman and they didn't have Martian Manhunter.

So Martian Manhunter is usually in the spot of

Like cyborg anyway, so one of the interesting

things I saw online was a tweet about Steppenwolf

like They banished him a thousand years before

but he couldn't return until the son of Krypton

was dead Like what was he doing for the last

like nine hundred and seventy years Nobody knows

But it's just and again, that's probably like

a loophole holdover from hacking up the script

I don't know but like that's just something like

Luther will come up It see again will never know

wait he wasn't in Batman v Superman So With the

mother box because I need to see it again. I

will see it again. I I've got it pre -ordered

I Just feel real bad for the guy because I wanted

I was I was digging what he was putting down

Think he gave us I mean don't get me wrong. I

love Nolan's Batman You and I are on record as

saying like there's no reason this couldn't have

been You know Christian Bale from the get -go

However, I have very much enjoyed Ben Affleck

For what he gave us yes, but I'm just saying

like there's no reason that it couldn't have

been Bale's Batman Like the reason why they couldn't

do it now considering that Ben Affleck may not

stick around anyway Right, but I think it there's

no way it is bail now like it it's it's it's

we're past that Which I mean do you have a Do

you have a do you have a pick no like I I can't

imagine anybody else besides Affleck playing

it at this point and I know that Matt Reeves

I guess has Jake Gyllenhaal as a A possible want

if you know there are going that direction which

I've heard rumors that they may read You know

have a different actor as Batman in that trilogy

regardless. I've heard I've heard him I've heard

John Ham. Yeah, I've seen that entire list which

was the list that came out Prior to Ben Affleck

getting the part Yeah, I remember we were just

going through that list. Because they had Bomer,

they had, you know, Ham on there, they had Urban,

they had, you know, a variety of those people

on both lists. You know, why don't you just go

back to the guy who was originally supposed to

play Batman in the Justice League? Are you talking

about the guy that's still complaining that all

superhero movies suck and he hasn't watched any

of them because he hasn't been cast? I'm talking

about Armie Hammer. Yeah, that's the guy that's

been complaining and saying that. Oh, I know.

I know. What? I think that... Yeah, I would rather

not at this point. I think that they should just

pull somebody out of it obscurity. I just I It

just seems so weird doesn't it like like is bail

the only guy that's played Batman three times

Mmm. Yeah. Yep, cuz Keaton did it twice Yep So

and this makes Affleck technically twice Don't

even know if I count like I don't know if I count

I Don't count Suicide Squad I was gonna say technically

if you're counting these two movies and you got

to count Suicide Squad He was in like 59 seconds

of Suicide Squad Well, let's be honest. I mean

the only movie Batman was in and either of these

two movies was Batman v Superman. That's true

He didn't quite feel like himself here. Well,

I guess he was in Suicide Squad at the beginning

when he he locked up Deadshot It's just I don't

know I It's it's a bummer to me that there is

a universe that we will never get to see now

there is a take on these heroes that will never

get to see and I was digging what they were putting

down and I Have a feeling that these movies The

best I can hope going forward is that Man of

Steel But all the DC all the DC movies that have

been out now the best I can hope for is That

they end up being like the first two Harry Potter

movies The last time I felt kind of like this

was when They change when that when you know,

cuz Christopher Columbus or Chris Columbus did

the first two Harry Potter movies, right? Mm

-hmm and At the time and I still am to a lesser

extent like I was very much, you know It's got

it, you know, third one's got to be done by him

If it's not done by him, then it's not even worth

seeing, you know blah blah blah blah And then

of course it comes out that Chris Columbus isn't

gonna do the third one And then, of course, the

guy that played Dumbledore passes away. So now

you've got a different director and you've got

a different Dumbledore. But. To Warner Brothers

credit, you know, they didn't. I mean, they dragged

me kicking and screaming through the rest of

the Harry Potter movie like they dragged me kicking

and screaming through that transition. But the

replacement actor was better, actually. He was

better. And the world that the director set up.

Was way better than the world that Chris Columbus

had put on screen. Like I I cannot watch Harry

Potter one and two anymore. Like I cannot They

they literally feel like they are done on sets

like the outdoor stuff literally feels like it's

done on a backlot when Alfonso Quran, I think

Get blessed for that in the comments maybe but

when he took over for the third one like Obviously

like the money probably went through the roof

the production value obviously went through the

roof But it became consistent even though they

changed directors a couple of times like it became

consistent from that point on For the other six

movies. Yeah, so like I'm I'm right there like

I'm Like I'm going I want I want Zach's vision

But if Warner Brothers can find a way to make

like a definitive hard break In the way that

these movies like look and feel like I feel like

they will become their own thing Their own short

was it five movies yeah, yeah their own their

own short five five movie thing and Think it's

too early to tell where Aquaman is gonna fall.

I mean If you wanted to you could even say that

it's just the three It's the three movies that

Zack Snyder did would be their own little thing

Because you know Warner Brothers isn't going

to retcon out Wonder Woman. No So they can find

a way to do that the way that they did with Harry

Potter and just drag me kicking and screaming

into this into this new DCEU that is completely

divorced from what Snyder was putting down. I'm

sure I'll be fine. And I'm going to go see whatever

they put out next. I'm really excited to see

what Matt Reeves does. I wish, I hope, you know,

my wish is that he does it with Affleck. But,

you know, that probably won't happen, but it

depends on when production starts, like what

phase the moon is in. So Yeah, it Everything's

a mess right now You know, but maybe maybe they

can they just need to stop being I Feel like

waters just needs to stop reacting to things

because I think that just makes things worse

In other words, they need to stop looking at

what the fans are complaining about and just

do what they're gonna do Like let Let the director

have rain and then just kind of roll with it

after And that's not like I feel like Warner

Brothers is the Wonder Woman Man of Steel and

Wonder Woman I feel like are the only two movies

so far that the directors got to do what they

wanted to do To a certain extent like I Like

I said, I don't know how Wonder Woman got by

So probably because it was new territory that

even Marvel hasn't gone into yet It probably

it was about let's get the first female superhero

on the screen Rather than yeah sitting there

worrying about it. Yeah Which could be I mean

it was it was good That's all I got that's all

I got to say about that yeah, that's that's about

all I got on that I just wonder what people think

on on the whole, you know Ben Affleck Batman

thing and the whole you know Justice League and

the crisis Just because those have been such

like pretty much the biggest things in in DC

media lately The TV their TV stuff is on point.

Yeah, that's but they also like you said they

get Points where they can you know if they make

an error they can correct it within a couple

episodes right Whereas the movies you're waiting

two years or more or a year from the next movie

of whatever it is in that franchise Yeah, and

that's just that doesn't help out anybody. It's

really It's disappointing I'm just I'm just I

think I think overall I just left I left feeling

disappointed from the theater Yeah, I was a little

disappointed with the movie. I had to just kind

of keep to myself for a minute and then I complained

afterward. So. So I think that about runs this

episode out. I know that it's been long winded,

but it's I think we've had a really good discussion

on all the content related to it all. I think

so. I mean. I probably went off a little bit

on a tangent. Like I said, I don't get to talk

to a lot of people anymore. So I was like, I'm

just going to. You want to talk about this? Let's

talk about this. I'm just going to throw it all

out there for everyone to come at me with. You

want justice? Here's justice. So it was, yeah,

we're done. Yeah. So just let us know what you

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