51st Anniversary! JAWS BIT THIS PODCAST IN THE ASS OVER AND OVER!!

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Mike. Joining me once again, as always, is Mr.

David Draper. How are you, sir? Alright. That's

good, that's good. Today we come face -to -face

with Jaws for the first film's 50th anniversary.

This movie... I hardly remember watching it as

a kid in the 80s. I know I did, but I remember

nothing. I literally I watched this today. I

watched this like two hours ago, two or three

hours ago for the first time in 50 years. Now,

granted, 50 years ago when this came out, I was

it was five years before I was born is when this

movie came out originally. So I really have no

memory of when my mom showed this to me in 86

or 87 or if we caught it on. HBO or something,

because we were lucky enough to be an HBO household

kind of thing. I remember the memes. That's what

I remember. I remember the tank in his mouth.

I remember, you know, we're going to need a bigger

boat. I remember that. And I remember him biting

or attacking the back of the boat. Yeah, the

orca. And the funny thing is, the reason why

I remember that is, there's a Funko Pop moment

that Funko made of Jaws attacking the back of

the boat. It's hilariously awesome. Bro, there's

a very expensive Movie Maniacs of the sharks

jumping up on the boat and getting Quint. And

the Lego set that they came out with this year

recreates that moment. It's an iconic moment.

The movie is iconic. Well, we'll get into that.

What are your memories of Jaws? Because you were

four or five. I was trying to look this up. I

know they re -released it because it was the

number one movie in the world for two years.

It created the concept of the summer blockbuster.

The world we live in was literally created by

Jaws. as movie guys. But I remember they re -released

it at some point because that was what they did

back in the day. They were like, hey, this movie's

successful. Let's put it in the theaters again.

And I don't know how old I was then. I couldn't

find the date for that. I'm thinking it was before

Star Wars, so maybe 76. But my parents went to

go see it, and everyone was talking about this

movie that was the biggest movie in the world.

I really wanted to go see it, and my mom would

not take me. But she came home, and she told

me all about this other movie. Because the movie

she told me about was not Jaws. Uh -oh. It was

amazing. When you're a five -year -old, and you're

being told this crazy... My brain was like, there's

this graveyard of ships, and the shark is zooming

through it, and all this crazy nonsense. It's

not in the film. If you could make the film that

my six -year -old mind came up with, it would

be amazing. I don't even remember. I saw a video

probably in the 80s like you did. I remember

I probably saw Jaws 2 before I saw Jaws because

they showed that on TV all the time. I remember

watching that on Showtime. It was either HBO

or Showtime. It was one of the cables. Yeah,

eventually I saw it and apparently you and I

have very different opinions about this film.

I think it's a masterpiece. I think it's a classic.

Here's the thing. I know you're going to say

over and over and over and over and over again.

Somehow in 1975 they weren't able to create a

photorealistic mechanical shark. You don't know

what I'm going to say. It's in your thing on

your Discord. You don't know. The shark still

looks fake. No, it's not. It's recording a shark

cast. It doesn't say that now. It shouldn't.

It doesn't say that now. Yeah, it did. Well,

now that I changed it, yeah. The point being,

it's about the characters and the story. Yes,

absolutely. The shark is... I don't want to say

incidental, but the shark could be almost anything.

So basically what you're saying is the shark

is Indiana Jones. He makes no difference to the

story. Considering they found. No, no, no. I

know. I know. I know. But I was going to say,

considering they found another shark before they

found Jaws. But anyway. Yeah, no, no, no. They

found the tiger shark that was not... The tiger

shark, yeah. Yeah, that was not the... The point

being, it's not about the shark. I mean, at the

end of the day... It's about the people. Yeah,

it's about... And specifically, it's about these...

By the end, it's about these three people. And

their characters and their arcs and, you know...

Yeah. That's why this is... And, you know, I

mean, the irony is... Famously... Uh, you know,

cause it's become like a, a Hollywood, uh, the

word I'm looking for, not mantra, but it's the

Hollywood legend. The story is that the fucking

shark didn't work. So they never showed it. And

that made it scarier because yeah, the shark

did kind of look fake. So that like, uh, was

it strength from adversity, you know, using,

using a flaw to make your film better. Um, and

a lot of horror films for a while. I mean, Alien

in particular, that's been one of the big complaints.

Complaints? I'm tired. Complaints about Alien

Earth is that they show the fucking xenomorph

constantly in bright daylight. Whereas in the

original, you never really got a good look at

it. The whole point is you never get a good look

at it, and your imagination, ironically, going

back to the story I told about being told the

story of Jaws, your imagination conjures up stuff

that's way more impressive than anything the

CGI guys can do or the special effects guys can

do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I was looking

and I was trying to find a specific date here

because it does in the Wikipedia article for

this. It does talk about the theatrical run.

Now, Jaws was released in theaters June 20th

of 75. So what they say about the theatrical

run is that. Even though it opened on June 20th,

later in, does it say a month? No, a month earlier.

That's not, no, I don't want that news. Sid Schneiberg,

Reason for Marketing. I mean, it is possible

that it wasn't a re -release. Back in those days,

movies, we didn't have like everything got released

on the exact same day, the exact same hour. Right.

That's a fairly new thing. Yeah. I found what

I had already seen. Building on the film's success,

the release was subsequently expanded on July

25th to nearly 700 theaters and on August 15th

to more than 950. Overseas distribution followed

the same pattern. So it was a slow rollout because

Star Wars was the same. Yeah, well, the beginning

of this was the beginning of the whole theatrical

run part of the Wikipedia article is the glowing

audience response to a rough cut of the film

at two test screenings in Dallas on March 26th.

They did test screenings March 26th of 75. Holy

crud. And I mean, I know that I know that that's

the way the machine works and that's the way

the whole Magilla is. My initial thoughts of

watching the film for the first time as an adult

and actually, you know, just sitting here and

the same thing, like I said, in our Jurassic

Park episode, when I watched that for the first

time from beginning, middle to end, I didn't

hate this. I didn't dislike it at all. It was

a perfectly fine movie. I think I made a joke

right before I hit record. Oh, well, that was

a good play. Because the reason why I made the

joke was because we're so used to movies nowadays

being bing, bing, bing, bong, bong, bong, bing,

bong, bing, bong, bing, bong. They're hitting

you over the head with everything immediately,

immediately. Pacing today's films, certain films,

is like, must catch your attention now or else

we're not going to get your attention for the

next two hours kind of thing. They're pretty

solid children. Like very small children. Yes.

So movies back in 1975 and going forward into

the 80s, they were a lot slower. And I'm not

saying that is a bad thing. I'm saying that is

a comparison to today versus then. And I didn't

find this movie is like, what is it? What's the

runtime? 124 minutes, so that's roughly two hours

and three minutes, two hours and four minutes,

something like that. I didn't find it slow at

all. I didn't have to get up and go to the bathroom.

I didn't have to go to the concession stand or

anything like that to refill the drink or whatever.

I sat here. I watched the movie. I enjoyed the

movie. I like Roy Schneider. I like Richard Dreyfuss.

They're the only two people I know out of the

entire cast, I'm pretty sure. Probably. Lorraine

Gray and Murray Hamilton sort of built, like,

they kind of, like, stuck with the franchise

for the rest of their careers, pretty much. Yeah.

And Robert Shaw, he was also in The Sting. That

was his big, The Sting was his big breakout movie,

and then he was in this, and then he died, sadly.

Yeah. I can't remember if he won the Academy

Award for this or not, but he was fantastic.

The famous Indianapolis speech, he came up with

that. I'm going to tell it badly, but there was

this whole thing where he had come up with it

and Spielberg was like, do you want to rehearse

it or work it out? He's like, no, we'll do it.

Don't worry about it. Well, do it live. Well,

he didn't do it with a Brooklyn accent because

he's British. Okay, but yeah. I'll get it. Don't

worry about it. And he bombed. Oh, no. He bombed,

and he went home that night, and he got a little

drunk, and he called up Steve, and he said, I'm

so sorry. And Steve was like, don't worry about

it. I can't remember. It was like, don't worry

about it. We'll try it again. Yeah, something

like that. He came back the next day, and they

filmed what you saw. It's funny because apparently

he was a British age actor and Richard Dreyfuss

was this young punk American and the antipathy

you see between them in the movie. The famous

scene where Quint crushes a can and Dreyfuss

crumples a little tiny plastic cup. That happened

in real life. And they were like, oh, let's put

it. We'll use that in the movie. Yeah, we hate

each other. Okay, great. They apparently really

did not like each other. Jaws was based on a

best -selling novel by Peter Bentley who appears

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that audio got lost and everything else, but

TF2 and Mike and Dave Draper are here to still

talk about Jaws, which is now 51 years old. Last

year was the 50th anniversary of Jaws, and the

shark still looks fake. And he's not even going

to respond to it. I know he won't, but that's

okay. Because it's so lame. It's a back to the

future. I wasn't afraid of the shark when I was

four years old. And you just constantly have

to be like, oh, the shark looks fake. Shark looks

fake. Shark looks fake. It's just a back to the

future. It took 50 years to watch that movie.

Are you going to clip the part where he screams

like a little bitch beforehand? Shark still looks

fake. I'm cool. It's just a reference. He was

trying to sound cool. Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh boy.

So you were four years old when this movie released.

I was, I was five years away from being actually

born. So I wasn't born yet when this movie released.

I was born in 1980, and it took me, like you

said, 50 years to see the film, to actually see

the film. I had seen bits and clips and whatever,

but I had never, it just wasn't, I just never

had any interest. I wasn't that, it wasn't my

thing. It just wasn't a bad romantic comedy,

so I get it. Yes, thank you very much. Yes, thank

you very much. So neither one of us saw this

in theaters. To quote Mike Blanchard, broaden

your horizons. Hey, look, I'm trying over here.

I watched the movie. I know, I know, I know.

That poked me the wrong way when you did that.

It was like, you didn't watch this romantic comedy

from 1998? It's like, no. Which one was it? I

don't remember. It was one with Gina Rollins

in it. Oh, Hope Floats. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that

one. That was because she was in Columbo. Yes,

I know. That was only because it was a Columbo

connection. That's the only reason why I mentioned

it. It gave me a hard time because I didn't see

Hope Floats. And you're like, Broad New Horizons.

I'm like, you really want to go there? Hey, everybody

should broaden their horizons. Whether they do

that or not is up to them, including me. Have

you seen Horse Whisperer? Yes. Okay. You really?

And I've read the book. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I

love the book. Oh, God. I love the book. Oh,

God. What? Okay, what about Waiting to Exhale?

No. I have only seen bits and pieces of Waiting

to Exhale. But I know the music from it. You're

not a complete masochist. What? Those movies

were why I will not watch romantic. I will not

watch, quote, chick flicks. I get it. Men are

scum. Thank you. Oh, men are scum? Oh, are men

scum? Oh, this had nothing to do with the decisions

you made. Oh, and by the way, we just lost Sam

Neill? Yeah, Sam Neill. I'm getting his first

name confused. I'm old. No, it's Sam Neill. He

was the good guy husband who bitch wife cheated

on in Horse Whisperer because he wasn't Robert

Redford. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be Robert

Redford, but I'll be lucky if I got near Sam

Neill. I'm on Sam Neill's team. I'm on Team Sam.

I hope the horse kills you, lady. Anyway. Oh,

my God. Hold on. Give me two seconds. Hold on.

Hold on. Okay, let's cut all this. This has nothing

to do with the show. No, no, no. We're not cutting

any of this. Oh, my God. I forgot he was in Horse

Whisperer. He was the husband who got cocked.

Oh, my God. Like Christian Scott Thomas. Yeah,

I know. I know who played Annie. But I forgot.

No, no, no. Look, man, I read the book before

I saw the movie. I like the book. The book is,

the movie did things completely like movies usually

do. Like movies like Jaws that changed the book.

Well, and I never read the book. I'm going to

knock it back on topic whether you like it or

not. Right. No, absolutely. And I never read

Jaws. I've only seen the movie. Ah, you didn't

miss much. Okay, well, there you go. So Jaws,

looking back at the information for Jaws, had

a budget of $9 million, made $495 million. In

1975 money? That's amazing. Oh, that's why Steven

Spielberg's Steven Spielberg. Well, yeah, I know,

but that's... That's amazing to me. Well, and

also, you see, I don't know if we talked about

this in the stuff that got kept, so I apologize

to the audience in advance. I may be repeating

a lot of crap. We are probably going to repeat

stuff. Jaws is literally the first summer blockbuster.

Yep, we did say that. It is the first movie that

came out in the summer, and like... teenagers

had nothing better to do, so they went to go

see this movie about a shark. And this is when

Hollywood suddenly... We take this shit for granted.

We're in the middle of the summer movie season

right now. We take it for granted that the big,

proud, pleasing movies come out in the summer

and around Christmas. And Jaws was the first

movie that did that. And the studios went, hey,

teenagers got a lot of money. All of a sudden,

they got nothing to do. Let's make movies that

appeal to them. I was the first Star Wars was

the second one that really sort of solidified

the I mean, there might have been one or two

between then, too. But like Star Wars and Jaws

were the big trendsetting blockbusters. I can't

think of anything in all my research that I've

done on films in my podcasting career over the

last 18 years, almost every film I've ever looked

up over any decade since, let's say, the 1950s.

That has done anything between 75 and 80 that

has done anything in between. Like, I can't think

of any film between after jaws and before star

Wars between 75 and 77. I can't think of any

other film that did as much as jaws and star

Wars. Now, after that is a difference after star

Wars is a different story. Well, right. but my

point is between the two of them, I'm, I'm essentially

agreeing with you between the two of them. I

can't think of any other film in my mind. You

got to look at the other big films before jaws,

which are like the godfather. Right. Yeah. They

were all, they were all what I would call grownup

movie. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Jaws was the

summer movie that you could take families to

that. No, it was no, apparently no. As, as a

child of the seventies, I assure you, I was not

taken to Jaws. Okay, I'm not saying... No, no,

no. Jaws was a teenager movie. Star Wars was

the family movie. Right. Star Wars was the one

you see your family to, which I think is why

it ended up being bigger than Jaws. Right, but...

Okay, let me rephrase. When I say family... I'm

talking about the teenagers because teenagers,

you still had to have an adult to go to a rated

R movie. So you still had to take the family.

What? Oh, Mike. What? He's our boy. He's very

special. We love him. No, I'm not. You still

had to take a... Oh, Mike. You're so cute. You

could sneak in. I know you could, but come on

now. Oh, could you? Let's see, Aliens came out

in 1986. I was 50? Yeah. No fucking way my mother

took me to see that one. No, but I'm saying...

I was there opening night. I understand that.

Speaking of someone who's been through enough

movies, even if the parents brought them, I remember

Presumed Innocent. There were kids running up

and down the aisles. Wow. Yeah, I think you have

a very... naive view of, particularly back in

those days, particularly with something like

Jaws, which was kind of a surprise. Yeah, I think

a lot of teenagers got in without, first of all,

because you had to be under, I think it was,

what, 17? Because the X is NC -17, so you...

Yeah, X is NC -17. Let me explain. X became NC

-17. Yeah. Because X, they didn't trademark it,

so it became the thing that porn used. Yeah.

So R is what 17 and under needs a parent. Yep.

Okay, well, 17 is still a teenager. Yeah, I'm

not arguing that. Yeah, I'm not arguing that

at all. I'm just saying you still needed. An

adult to go. So teenagers were needed. I'm just.

Just saying parents took the teenagers, which

means families went to see the movie. That's

my point. I'm not saying families took four year

olds. No, no. What I'm saying is I don't know

how they did things where you lived. But yeah,

teenagers did stuff without mommy and daddy taking

them. I agree. It was kind of what teenagers

do. I think with a movie like Jaws, it was probably

even a big thing that teenagers do. It was cool.

Yeah, it was cool, man. It was Five Nights at

Freddy's rated because I didn't see a lot of

adults. Except for me and my idiot best friend

who wanted to see that garbage. Anyway. But I

don't remember. I just remember that the threat

of this all was that Jaws was... And the thing

is, that $9 million was considered kind of expensive.

Yeah, it was. That movie was about to sink. No

pun intended. Spielberg. Because he went horribly

over budget. And it turned around and made a

ridiculous amount of money. Five Nights at Freddy's

was rated PG -13. Oh, okay. There you go. That

explains a lot. Oh, wow. Dude, we're wrong. We

are completely wrong. I'm actually right. Jaws

1975 holds an MPAA rating of PG. Yeah, I didn't,

yeah, okay. I thought it was rated R. I don't

even remember. Holy crap. Well, again, I was

like, I think, first of all, I don't remember

when I was actually four. I think it was more

like I was like, like they re -released it at

some point. Right, no. I'm trying to tell my

story here. Which is when my mom went to go see

it again and refused to take me. Because that's

the one where I was like, oh, I want to go see

it. Everyone's talking about this movie. And

she's like, no. Now, PG means parental guidance.

Which means if you have a responsible parent,

which sadly I did, they will tell their six -year

-old child, no. If you have a terrible parent,

like everyone I go to see movies with now, They

will let their child run up and down the aisles

and have nightmares for 10 years. Yes, yes. Yeah,

no. And I know back in those days, MPAA, a lot

of movies, they didn't know what to... There

are a lot of movies that are rated G and PG that

today probably would be PG -13 and R. Okay, you

know the story of that, right? Yeah, I kind of

remember it, but go ahead. It's our pal Steven

Spielberg. Yep. Did Gremlins. He didn't make

Poltergeist, but he produced it. And he did Temple

of Doom. But he's Steven Spielberg. At that point,

he was Steven Spielberg. He wasn't Joss Steven

Spielberg. He was post -ET Steven Spielberg.

So the MPAA wasn't going to mess with him. But

Temple of Doom and Gremlins. I think Poltergeist

might have been horror, I'm not sure. But Temple

of Doom and Gremlins especially were like, pushed

the PG rating. So they were like, we need a new

thing. That's why they made PG -13, because they

needed something that they could accommodate

movies that were a little, not quite R -rated,

but not quite. Because at that point, PG was,

G is kind of like, the death sentence for movies

or for a long time. And PG is kind of like, like

the basic it's, it's become G. Yeah. I mean,

PG, PG has become family friendly where G was

supposed to be. In fact, Star Wars was going

to get a G rating, but Lucas inserted that the

famous shot of the guy's arm on the floor. Yep.

You know, you know, we don't like you either.

Like that was put there to get it a PG rating.

Yeah. Keep it from getting the deadly G rating.

Yep. Yeah, it's nuts. So teenagers could go see

it on their own anyway? Yep. So yeah, anybody

could see this movie. I couldn't. Okay, well...

You say anybody, but I happen to know a very

annoyed six -year -old who... Although, I don't

know if I tell this in the section that we keep,

but like... His mom came home and told me the

story of Jaws. I don't know what movie she saw.

That movie was amazing. It wasn't Jaws. But damn,

it was cool. It had this whole wrecked boatyard

or something, like a graveyard of boats and the

sharks swimming around in it. A six -year -old

with a short attention span. getting stories

told to you. Very exciting. Which made me want

to see the movie more. Yeah, absolutely. By the

time I actually did see it on video, I was older

and appreciated the movie for the quality of

the movie. Yeah, and that's the thing. Movies,

to me, anything. Movies, TV, specifically, the

visual arts. And I say this every episode. I

look at things in the time that they were made.

Like, I don't look at the stuff to hold it up

to today's standards because that's not what

it's there for. You're not supposed to hold it

up to today's standards and lens. You're not

supposed to hold up Jaws and see if he can fit

inside the Mandalorian. tunnel vision thing that

Favreau made up to film. What, whatever that

thing is, whatever they film. No, the, the, the,

the, um, however they filmed Mandalorian season

one or whatever, whatever they, there was volume.

Okay. The big projection wall that they did.

Yeah. That I don't. Yeah. So I don't look at

that and wonder, Oh, Jaws would never hold up

to today's standards. I don't look at that like

that. I look at it as this is 1975 or 70, whenever

they originally made it, but it was released

in 75. This is the finished final product of

what they made. This is the cameras, the microphones,

the whatever, the visuals. This is how they made

it. And this is a product of its time. Everything

I saw, I really enjoyed. There was nothing. Yeah,

the essence of the shark kind of scared me at

times. And I've mentioned this on the podcast

before. I usually don't do blood, guts, and gore.

And there isn't a lot of scenes in this where

the blood, guts, and gore come through. But,

you know, when that does happen, I'm just like,

okay, I'm just going to look over here for a

second. It's usually very quick. Yeah, it's very,

very quick. I think Jaws is a profoundly misunderstood

movie, especially in 2026. Because it's, you

know, people are always like, you know, it's

a classic, you know, it's a classic, but they

just think it's about a shark. Yeah. It's not

about a shark. It's about three guys. Yeah. Specifically,

it's about one guy, and then the other two guys

are like, you know, they're along for the ride.

And, you know. It's about Martin Brody. It's

a very 70s film. It's got a very Altman feel

in scenes where characters are constantly talking.

You don't have this anymore in movies. There's

not scenes where a dozen characters are talking

all over each other, which is a very Altman 70s

kind of feel to it. It's a character study. We

talk about soundtracks. Jaws has the most misunderstood

and, I would say, the word escapes me. The soundtrack

for Jaws is, even though it's legendary, I believe

it won the Academy Award, it's also profoundly

underappreciated because all anybody remembers

is the iconic shark theme. Yeah, the dun -dun.

Yeah, but the actual soundtrack is... You can

listen to it and it tells its own story. It's

so good. And yeah, the shark theme is iconic

and it's great, but it's one piece of a larger

puzzle that I think, again, people look back

and they go, shark. And no, it's a story about

a guy who's because Martin is terrified of water.

Yeah, exactly. On an island. But there's a reason

he's on that island. It's very subtle. The scene

where they're all mostly Hooper and are comparing

scars. And Martin lifts up his shirt and you

can see there's a little bullet wound in his

abdomen. Which kind of implies that he got shot

on the line of duty in New York and moved to

Amity. He took the job in Amity. That's storytelling.

A modern movie, Martin Brody would have a 10

-minute soliloquy. It was dark the night I went

down that avenue chasing that little punk. You

know, I mean, it's one, like, you know. So, yeah,

like, I really feel, I feel bad because I think

it's, Jaws has been put so far up, it's weird.

Jaws has been put so far up on a pedestal that

I think people don't appreciate what a good movie

it is, if that makes sense. Like, there's a lot

of, like Citizen Kane. Like, Citizen Kane is

actually a very enjoying, interesting, cool movie.

But I think a lot of people go, oh, that's the

one that the movie snobs all, like, you know,

go crazy over. Yeah, but if you watch it, it's

compelling. Yeah. It's got a good story. It's

got good acting. It's kind of heartbreaking.

It's fascinating. Yeah. It's also got a shit

ton of special effects. Yeah. You don't realize

what a special effects bonanza that movie is.

Yeah, absolutely. People are like, yeah, it's

a classic. It's a movie. It's not a movie. It

saddens me, particularly as someone who's grown

up through this era that has become... It is

weird. As someone who's grown up through the

70s and 80s, to see the stuff that I just kind

of took for granted with the background of my

life that has become mythical, like Star Wars,

like Jaws. A lot of the TV shows and movies that

everyone makes a big deal out of now, it was

just the stuff I grew up with. Yeah, absolutely.

And the thing is, the stuff we grew up with,

we turn it all into legends for us. We turn it

all into legendary stuff. Everyone's like, oh,

I'm going to put the rose -tinted glasses on.

It's not about that. It's about the fact that

we grew up with it and it means something to

us because we grew up with it kind of thing.

There's an element to that. There is a big strong

element to that, but I also feel like at that

time there was a desire. I do feel that movies

aren't as good nowadays. They don't put the effort

into the craftsmanship. Movies had to be good.

yeah movies movies had to have character movies

had to have story and now it's all boom visual

boom then you know you know yeah well it's funny

and i think uh steve megatron and i are gonna

do an episode on the podcast about uh we're going

to discuss the film the netflix film with matt

damon and ben affleck the rip When they did the

press for that, Netflix basically came out and

said, and even Ben and Matt said, Netflix told

us the way they wanted us to do this is every

15 minutes or every 20 minutes, part of the dialogue

or part of the movie, we remind you what the

plot is because we don't want you to lose. We

don't want you to forget what the plot is. And

I'm sitting here thinking to myself. Movies today

should not have to remind you. If it's a two

-hour movie, every 30 minutes you should not

need to be reminded what the plot is supposed

to be, what the objective is supposed to be.

That's silly. But anyway. Can I tell you a cute

little story? Or not a story, but like... Sure.

I was just talking about Citizen Kane. You know,

there's famously a moment towards like the last

third of the movie. Where there's like a cockatoo

that suddenly screams. Right. Okay. And the reason

they put that in the movie, they, they made Wells

put that in the movie because they were worried

that the audience was falling asleep. Oh no.

So that's, that's why that, that weird cockatoo

goes, wake the audience up. So there's producers

have been stupid from the dawn of moviemaking.

True. Yeah. Like if it, like the, the sad. Heartbreaking

irony is if a plot's good, you don't need to

be reminded of it. Yeah, exactly. Like, well,

okay, Jaws is a bad example because, I mean,

obviously, like, you're not going to forgive

the shark out there. Yeah. I don't know. If a

plot's good, you should be engaged and want to

know what happens next, not like, oh, by the

way. Yeah. Don't forget, like, it's such a symbol

of bad writing that they... that you've gotten

to a point where you've got to go, oh, by the

way, this is what this thing... Kind of like

this podcast where we keep going, by the way,

this is about the movie Jaws. Just so you don't

forget, this is about the movie Jaws. Yeah. Again,

Jaws was the first major modern blockbuster,

so I do think that, in a weird way, I think the

last time around we talked about the movie, but

it is... It did create the world we live in.

So I think talking about all these things is

relevant. Yeah, absolutely. Really quickly, going

back to the soundtrack. Awards and Acolytes.

John Williams won several awards for Jaws soundtrack

in March 1976. He won a Grammy, a BAFTA, and

the Academy Award for Best Original Score. The

score itself won a Golden Globe for Best Original

Score at the 33rd Golden Globe Awards. In 2005,

the American AFI ranked Jaws 6th in its 100 years

of film scores. It listed the top 25 film scores

in American cinema. So it won. The score did

win awards. Absolutely. And deservedly so. But

I'm just saying, like, all anybody remembers

is da -dum. Yeah, that's very true. It's heartbreaking,

you know. Yeah, it is very true. On the other

hand, it's heartbreaking. On the other hand,

it's like, yeah, but that's humanity. We move

on. We forget. It is what it is. It's the way

of the world. If you stayed stuck in 1975 forever,

there's a lot of stuff. Even though I'm kind

of harsh about modern stuff, there have been

things that come along the way. If you remained

locked in one time period, you would not be open

to. In 2025, to commemorate the film's 50th anniversary,

Entrato Records released a three -CD set again

featuring the original soundtrack recording,

including a few cues that weren't used in the

final cut. the original soundtrack album, and

additional source music. Also in 2025, a 50th

anniversary remastered edition was released digitally

by Backlot Music and on vinyl by Mondo. So the

score is out there, folks, wherever you may want

to find it. I am probably going to seek it out

because I kind of want to hear this guy. I love,

I love music scores. I love movie TV scores,

video game scores. I love all that stuff. So

I'm probably going to seek it out and listen

to it at some point on Spotify. And I, I think

I'm not, and I can't remember if this came up

when we were doing the episode the last time.

Because I'm old and I forget things. Williams

did the soundtrack for the second one, too. I

remember I tracked that down. No, I'm pretty

sure of that because I remember I tracked that

sucker down, which was expensive and annoying.

Let me double check. John Williams returned to

score Jaws 2 after winning an Academy Award for

Best Original Score for his work on the first

film. Because they almost got Spielberg back

for that. That would have been his first sequel.

But they couldn't work out the... They didn't

give him enough time to work out a better story.

Yep. Ironically. I do not see labels. MCA Records

original release. Entrada Records expansion.

So it's probably on Entrada. I don't know. It's

in the other room. It should be under heavy.

leaded glass. That sucked, tracking that down.

Because it's Jaws 2. Nobody cares. Except for

nerds that are like, wait, that's John Williams.

I'm going to be late to the party because I'm

stupid. Oh, boy. But yeah. No. Yeah, so you mentioned

about them comparing the scars, and that was

one of my notes. I'm like, I don't need to see

them comparing scars. Really? That's a great

scene. It is a good scene, but I was just like,

oh, man. Because it makes them so human. It does.

I agree. The whole thing that movies, one of

the things that movies make that have gotten

wrong, and they've gotten it wrong, like back,

because I know you're not a horror movie fan.

like a lot of the old slasher movies kind of

got this wrong all the time too like if you don't

care about these people then who cares what happens

to them don't i mean yeah like that scene invests

you in the end of the movie because you've seen

these guys drunk and a little i mean a little

silly you know marianne moffat she broke my heart

um you know and and then and then of course it

leads into the indianapolis speech which is a

very famous speech which robert shaw freaking

came up with out of his butt and like he apparently

the first time he delivered it i i heard a story

about this the first time they filmed that he

screwed it up royally oh no oh yeah he botched

it and he went home and he was like he was miserable

and he called steve and he said please please

let me take another chance another shot at that

i am so sorry And Steven says, okay, we'll try

it again. And the second time around, he nailed

it. Which is just a cool story. There's a lot

of interesting stories about the filming of Jaws.

Shaw and Dreyfuss hated each other for the life.

I think the famous bit where Shaw crushes a beer

can and Dreyfuss crushes a little cup. I'm macho

too. Apparently that really happened on set.

Oh no. Or something like that. I think I've heard

that, but yeah, they, they, cause Dreyfus was

young and new and the new actor and, and Shaw

was a British, you know, more classically trained,

serious kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. Dreyfus is,

is, I love Dreyfus. He's. He's always amazing

in everything he does. He's just absolutely...

Yeah, he's an amazing, amazing actor. Just awesome.

And he's got some great roles that he's done

in his lifetime. Everything Richard Dreyfuss

does. And that line, I think I already have it

in here about... Yeah, he already says it about

the shark. Well, the shark's just going to bite

you in the ass. Yeah, no, Dreyfus, Richard Dreyfus,

man, that dude just... Oh, God. And the cast

itself, where is... Yeah, it's a great cast.

Why am I drawing a blank? Roy Schneider. Roy

Schneider, yeah. Is it Schneider or Schneider?

I think it's Schneider. Oh, it is Scheider. Sorry.

He's a great actor. He was fantastic in all that

jazz. Yeah, and then Shaw and Dreyfuss are great.

Murray Vaughn is the prototypical sleazy mayor

who basically got copied in a billion movies

throughout the rest of the 70s and 80s of, you

know, we've got to worry about the big festival.

We can't close the thing because there's something

eating people. He's got those awesome 70s outfits

with the jacket with the little anchors on them.

One of the great things about Jaws is unlike

a lot of the knockoff movies where it's pretty

clearly obvious that the person in charge who

doesn't make the right decision particularly

the first film, like, you know, it is kind of,

it is established by the end of the film that

the shark is not usual. Yeah. It's not a typical

shark, but like Amity kind of relies on this.

He's like, like there is a legitimate argument.

They make the wrong choice and somebody dies,

but it's not like completely, you know, they're

all picking their noses and are idiots. It's

a legitimate decision that they make to try to

go forward and save their summer. And they pay

a price for it. Obviously, we, the audience,

know that it's the wrong decision. But what I'm

saying is it's not as stacked as it is in a lot

of other movies. Even Jaws 2. By Jaws 2, the

city should have known, hey, we've had shark

problems before. Maybe we should listen to Sheriff

Brody on this one. Yeah, really. Maybe. But like...

And I like that. It feels better. It feels more

realistic. I like that the guys that are in the

wrong, even though it's capitalism that's driving

them, I like that there's at least a point of

view. It's not all, I'm a stupid idiot who won't

listen to the person who knows what he's doing.

Now, it's kind of played up a little bit. Dreyfuss'

character, Hooper, is a little bit arrogant about

being right. He is right. But he's a little bit

smart. The shark's going to eat everybody and

you're all stupid and you're all going to die.

But in the end, he still helps. He still gets

on that boat. And he still tries to help. Yeah,

he still tries to help. I did not realize that

Roy sadly passed away February 10th, 2008 when

he was 75 years old. He was battling, he died

from a staphylococcus. I can't even pronounce

it. He died from an infection. Yeah, thank you.

After a three -year battle with cancer. But man,

Roy Schneider, just like French connection in

71, the year you were born. French conspiracy.

Jaws, like, obviously, Jaws and Jaws 2, where

I think I first... Oh, wow. Is he in all of them?

No, he's only in Jaws 1 and 2. And he did not

want to be in the second one at all. Well, the

funny thing is, he's in 1 and 2, but he's also

in Revenge. He's in... They used footage, but

he was not... Oh, okay. They used footage of

him... Oh, because, yeah, I think they used the

footage where he's, like, at the dinner table.

And this was based on a real thing, actually,

when they were filming Jaws. Spielberg saw the

kid who was playing one of his sons kind of mimicking

him. They set it up. That scene where he's going,

and the kid's going, it's really cute. Yeah,

no, he did not have an active role in that movie.

I assure you, sir. Okay, no, I believe you. I'm

just telling you because I don't know what IMDB

is telling you, but I have seen that movie. Okay.

It paid for... What's his name? British actor.

Alfred. Alfred Molina? No, Alfred from Batman

Begins. Oh, Michael Caine. He paid for Michael

Caine's Mother's House. That movie paid for Michael

Caine's Mother's House. Nice, nice. You don't

know that story? No. Okay, so there's a running

thing that for Jaws 3 and Jaws Revenge, the...

Someone who was in those movies won the best

acting award for supporting actor. Louis Gossett

Jr. won it for Officer and Her Gentleman. And

Michael Caine won it for Hannah and Her Sisters.

But he couldn't accept the award because he was

filming Jaws the Revenge. And so someone asked

him, did you regret not accepting the Academy

Award because you were filming this terrible,

terrible, terrible, terrible movie? And he goes,

well, it paid for a lovely house for my mom.

Oh, amazing. Which is a great response. Michael

Caine's a classic. I feel bad I couldn't remember

his name. No, it's okay. It's okay. Yeah, we're

old. So where I first saw Roy Schneider, Schneider,

Schneider. Thank you. I don't remember in this

podcast of jumbled jaws biting us in the ass

for getting this podcast. You look like someone

that's like been pulled out of the ocean that

got eaten by the jaws. Yeah. Yeah, episode 183

of Studio 2009 is a cursed podcast, folks. So

I don't know if I've already mentioned The Punisher,

but I'll mention The Punisher later. But where

I first saw Roy was in 1993. I was 13 years old.

He was Captain Nathan Bridger on Sequest DSV.

This was a, I believe NBC had it. I believe so.

Yeah, NBC had it from September. I think it was

Spielberg produced. Yep, September 12th, 1993

to June 9th of 1995. And I can't see Spielberg.

Yep, Spielberg. I see Spielberg's name on Executive

Producer. The interesting thing about this one

was it had Roy. It had Roy. It also had, I think

this was the second time in my life that I saw

the late actor Jonathan Brandes. The first time

I saw him was in The NeverEnding Story 2. Jonathan

died November 11, 2003. He was found hanged in

the hallway of his Los Angeles apartment. He

was transported to Cedar Global Medical Center

and died the following day of injuries sustained

from the hanging at age of 27. But, man, I...

Back in 93, Sequest was such a different show.

Like, in the late 80s, early 90s, you had Star

Trek The Next Generation, you had Hercules, you

had Xena, you had Andromeda, you had all these

other things. When you got into the mid -90s,

you had Mutant X, you had... All these other

shows. And then you had Sequest. And it was just

so cool. Because you finally had a show that

did underwater adventures. Like, sort of. After

the first season, it became a lot more. Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. There were only three

seasons of this show. I know, but doesn't the

first season end with them being kidnapped by

aliens? I could not. I'm pretty sure either the

first or second season, they get the Sequest

gets taken away by aliens. Because the first

season kind of didn't get good ratings. The first

season was serious. It's one of those classic,

like we're talking about Sequest rather than

Jaws. It's one of those classic, like the first

season was serious and legit. It didn't get good

ratings. So it's kind of like Space 1999. Then

the next season was stupid. Yeah, the final episode

of season one, Higher Power. An emotional time

is at hand, and the Sequest tour of duty comes

to an end. Chief Crocker faces his retirement,

a romantic relationship. Most emotional of all

is Lucas, who realizes his father is hardly a

part of his life anymore. However, when the Earth's

crust begins to crack open underneath his father's

power plant, The world is threatened by an unstoppable

rise in the ocean temperature, which will melt

the polar caps with lava seeping into the sea.

Bridger must sacrifice the sea quest in order

to save the world. So, no, it has nothing to

do with aliens in the first season. I don't know.

But anyway, at the time, I absolutely loved that

show. I think that show was a good show, and

that's, again, where I first saw. Roy, and he

was an awesome actor in that. The next time I

would see him was as... Ooh. Okay, in the first

season finale arc, the crew discovers an ancient

alien spacecraft entombed in an undersea rock

face deep on the ocean floor. Okay, but that's

not... But the... final episode of the first

season has nothing to do with aliens, though.

The aliens have none. Such great agents. Yes.

One year before The Punisher, he played in several

episodes. This is interesting. You'll like this,

I think. Hopefully. Probably not. Wow. I'm just

being difficult. Yes, I know you are. He played

Mark Ford Brady in Law & Order Criminal Intent,

and Mark Ford Brady is Robert Gorin's father.

Okay. Yeah. And then, like I mentioned, in 2008,

he played Castle Sr., Frank Castle Sr. in The

Punisher, in the Thomas Jane Punisher. So, yeah.

I'm old, so I know him more from, like, He was

the brother that got Dustin Hoffman in trouble

in Marathon Man with Bob Fosse and all that jazz.

Yeah. That's kind of where I know him from. And

Jaws, obviously. Yeah, and Jaws, obviously. But,

yeah, no, absolutely. So, yeah. And then I did

want to briefly mention, because I don't think

I mentioned it already. We've got to talk about

Dreyfuss. I don't think we talked about him.

We did. We talked a little bit about Dreyfuss.

We did talk a little bit about Dreyfuss. Last

time, yes. I remember that. Okay. I love Richard

Dreyfuss. He's an amazing actor. If you love

music at all and you've never seen Mr. Holland's

opus, watch Mr. Holland's. Mr. Holland's opus

is one of the best. most fictionalized historical

music movies ever and the reason why i say it

like that is because it is a piece of fiction

it is about a music teacher but the music the

way they do that movie is they because it's a

music teacher going from this like the 50s and

60s into the 90s and 2000s and each decade what

i mean about historical part is the music is

the historical part but it's a fictionalized

story, obviously. So the music is the real part.

Oh, God, I need to watch Mr. Holland's Opus again.

I love that movie. Oh, you're not going to like

this story, but when it came out, I had a friend

who was going on and on about Mr. Holland's Opus.

So I told him the entire story of the movie.

Yes. Including all the plot twists. The students

get together and put together his opus, perform

it for him, and blah, blah, blah at the end.

And he's like, you saw the movie? And I was like,

no, I saw the trailer. That trailer told you

every single beat of that movie. Yes, it did.

It absolutely did. I don't know who I'm going

to do this with, because I don't know who would

want to do it with me, but there's another movie

from 1991 that he did that I don't know why,

but my mom absolutely loved this movie. I think

it's with him and Bill Murray, of all people.

What about Bob? He plays the therapist. Oh, I

love Bob. Oh, my God. Okay. What? Yeah, what

about Bob? It's a classic, dude. Yeah, no, I

know. I know it's a classic. You're talking like

it's Hope Floats or something. It's a film no

one's ever heard of. No, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm talking about like... I don't know because

of what the movie is, because of the way that...

Look, man, there's plenty of people out there.

Yeah, exactly. It's a dark comedy, and some people

don't like that. Man, Mr. Holland's opus. He

was in James and the Giant Peach. Krippendorf's

Tribe was weird. Piranha 3D. Piranha 3D. It was.

I think it was a joke casting thing. They put,

you know, the guy from Jaws in Piranha 3D. Yeah,

that's very true. Oh, of course he got killed

in the beginning. They're both films. That's

surprising. He was a scientist guy. Yep. Absolutely.

Yep, yep, yep. But no, Richard Dreyfuss, I absolutely

love that guy. He is so awesome. Yeah, and like...

He had Jaws and Close Encounters with Spielberg.

I think he also did Always. Yes, he did. Always,

yep. Yeah, Always. It wasn't Rude Awakenings.

I don't think. Beverly Hills. I'm old. I remember

the old stuff. Yeah, me too. Looking at his newer

stuff, I don't know any of it. Go ahead. He's

old. Well, yeah. And he's also kind of a crusty

old fart, who apparently is difficult, which

is good for him. You get to be that old and you've

had that track record, you be that crusty old

fart, sir. I respect that. Well, that's the interesting

thing about him. Him and almost anybody like

that, even looking at Mr. Holland's opus. Watching

that movie when I was 15 years old, I still thought

of him as old when I was 15. Even now at 46,

looking back 31 years later, I still think of

him as old then. There's an interesting phenomenon.

I see it a lot on Facebook about how you look

at movies from the 80s and guys in their 30s

and 40s and movies in the 80s. And then you look

at guys who are 30s and 40s in movies now, and

it's like the guys who are in their 30s and 40s

now look like they're in their 20s. Like, Wilford

Brimley was not that old back in the early 80s.

He looked like a billion years old, you know?

It's just like, people looked old. I think some

of it probably was, you know, like... There's

a lot more focus on skincare. It sounds shallow,

but skincare. People don't smoke as much. People

don't drink as much. There's a lot more taking

care of yourself kind of thing. Also, I think

Hollywood has become much more shallow. Oh, yeah.

There's a phrase, 80s hot, meaning that the women

who were hot in the 80s are not like... Nowadays,

if you want to be an attractive person, you're

supposed to be like a sex doll. You could have

character back then. Where now it's all sort

of like 90210 clone. There's a generic look to

people in movies, TV shows. Yeah, absolutely.

So, yeah, folks. Jaws, I liked it for what it

is. I found it interesting. I enjoyed watching

the movie for the first time. I said before,

when we originally went back and did the recording

a year ago, it's not a bad beginning, middle,

and end story. It's really good. It's probably

not a movie that's going to end up in my rotation,

though. Like, there are a lot of movies that

I've seen that I've really enjoyed seeing them

for the first time, and I might go back and watch

it a second time. But after that... I'll just

file them away. There's a lot of movies, man,

that I just don't like. I don't know. Like, I

think about a lot of movies and I'm like, hmm,

maybe I want to watch that. And then like 10

seconds later, I'm like, nah, I don't want to

watch that. It's also kind of like, it's also

a thing where like, it sounds stupid to say this,

but at some point, like more movies keep coming

out. You know what I mean? Like your list of

movies you want to revisit gets longer and longer

because there's just, there's more movies. It'll

also be one that I always go back to. I love

it. I think it's brilliant. I love the three

characters. I love the story. I love the music.

Before we leave, I do want to... I think I told

this when we recorded it, but I don't know where

it was on the recording and if it got lost. There's

a cute story about the woman who played Mrs.

Kintner. The mom whose little boy got eaten on

the 4th of July. She went into a restaurant,

and she was, like, looking at the menu on the

board, and there was, like, an Alex Kittner sandwich.

She thought that was funny, and she ordered it.

And then she said, you know, tell the chef, like,

I was his mom. And the chef came out and goes,

mom? Because it's the kid who played Alex Kittner.

Oh, that's nice. So I think that's a cute story.

Yeah, that's really awesome. That is very awesome.

What are we going to rate Jaws 0 -5 with half

points? 0 -5. Okay. I know you don't... It's

not your kind of movie, so I get that, but I

think... For me, I love it. I love creature features.

It's a Spielberg film. It's classic Spielberg.

It's got great... It's got everything. It's a

5. I'm going to give it a 4. I I'm only taking

one point off just because I don't do the, the,

the blood guts and gore kind of thing. And there's

not much here. There's only a little bit, but

one point four is still a good score. So I'll

give it a four. Uh, so that's, uh, that's that

folks. And, uh, here's hoping the shark doesn't

bite us in the ass again. We're going to send

you to a quick podcast ad break. What? Like,

please, please, please don't lose this one. Yeah,

no, no, no, no. I love this movie, but I'm a

little tired of talking about it. Yeah, I know.

Me too. Which is why half of this is we're not

talking about it. No, no, no. No, no, no. Like,

literally, as we've fixed this episode. This

is the Red Letter Media Star Wars Holiday Special

episode where they spend the whole episode not

talking about the holiday special. Yeah, exactly.

Behind the scenes, folks, as we've recorded this,

I've literally exported the stuff, opened the

file, shown Dave, look, it's in there, I'm editing

it, literally as soon as we finish this whole

recording session, because we're recording Columbo

episodes after this, I'm literally going to export

it and edit it and put it online as soon as we're...

I've got recordings all day today, and I'm doing

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we're going to tackle this podcast thing, we've

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be cool, daily, in audio form, and undetectable

by radar. Something that screams summer. I know,

let's do a Phineas and Ferb review podcast. We'll

call it the Podcast Organization Without a Cool

Acronym, or PALCA for short. What do you think?

I think if we're not careful, Kansas is going

to bust us. You can find Pauka on the Geekcast,

Radio Network, iTunes, and all of the other methods

you find podcasts. Okay then, carry on. On the

Simplistic Reviews podcast, we talk movies. We

talk TV. We talk... Hello, Julie, what the heck

are you doing? Trying to make our spot sound

more exciting by adding explosions. Yeah, I'm

pretty sure you could have got the point across

with sound effects, not the real thing. Download

the show on iTunes or at simplisticreviews .blogspot

.com. I'm sure your insurance company will cover

that. No, they won't. No, they probably won't.

All right, folks. The shark didn't bite us in

the ass, so we're back here inside Studio 2009,

only on the Geekcast Radio Network. This is episode

183, the 51st anniversary of Jaws, because we

couldn't get it out on the 50th anniversary of

Jaws at the time in 2025. And every time I say

the 51st anniversary, all I can think of is the

51st anniversary spectacular of Bugs Bunny. Remember

that one? Well, I'll probably put a clip in here

so people will remember it. But anyway. Oh, hey,

hey, hey. I do want to add one quick thing. I

just remembered. I apologize. I apologize. I

know you're wrapping up. I apologize. I was going

to ask. I was going to put this in there because

someone's going to do it. Like, somebody's going

to. We were talking. And for us, the last one,

like, you guys are listening to this all at once.

But for us, it's like a couple days ago about

how there were no movies in 1976. Oh, yes, yes,

yes. There was a movie in 1976, actually. Okay.

A little film called Rocky. How could we forget

about that? I don't know. I don't know. Those

of you who are typing your little, excuse me,

sir, there's a little film called Rocky you may

have heard of. Yes. Yes. You know, it doesn't

feature a shark or spaceship, so it's not really

my wheelhouse. But yes, Rocky was a big thing.

There are a couple of other big ones in 76. Yeah,

again. Rocky was like, that's inexcusable to

forget Rocky. Yeah. And I was going to ask you

if you had anything else to add before I was

going to run. I wasn't going to immediately run

through. I know, but the hot just went in my

head and I had to get it out. Yep, yep, yep.

I understand. I understand. I got distracted

by like, you know, squirrels or something. No

squirrels. There's no squirrel in your pants.

There might be in my chimney, though. Oh, no.

Well, that's going to do it for us. Yeah. You're

inside Studio 2009. Thank you for joining us.

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us next time when I will be jumping back into

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Moose. So he's going to go under the knife for

the origins in television. For now, I am TF2

and Mike with... Dave Draper. You'll hear us

back in the studio soon. Oh, there it is. I'm

an idiot. Well, you must admit, I've got pretty

good taste, haven't I? You finished with this?

Yes, and I know as much about the murderers as

they do. Oh, I'm a hero. I was shot twice in

the Tribune. I read where you were shot five

times in the tabloids. It's not true. He didn't

come anywhere near my tabloids.