Kai From Kai Dragon Media on Cartoon Origins and 80s-90s Animation Nostalgia

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Ha -cha -cha -cha -cha! Your brain here. I like

listening to ToonCast while trying to take over

the world. Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your

wildest imagination. Hello and welcome to ToonCast

episode 301. We are continuing on the ToonCast

origins here on the GeekCast Radio Network. I

am one of your hosts, or your host for this time

around, TFG and Mike. And joining me for his

origins in cartoon watching is Toonster Kai from

Kai Dragon Media. Hello, sir. How are you? I'm

doing great, Mike. How are you doing? I could

complain, but that's too much work. Well, at

least it's Sunday and at least maybe hopefully

it's not as hot as it's been. I mean, it's still

roasting here in September. God help us all.

84 degrees in September. This is a heat wave.

100 here. Oh, Lord. That's why my garden is all

burned up. It's either that or it's the dragon's

breath, whichever comes first. Oh, boy. I hope

you have a nice sound effect for that, because

I usually have a, but I'm... Yeah. Yeah, I insert

those in post. I don't do them live. Because

they distract live. It's like, oh, this is an

edited, then released. I'm anal retentive like

that. So yes, Kai is here. And for those that

don't know, KaiDragonMedia is this up -and -coming,

world -building YouTube channel that streams

all kinds of video games that I've never heard

of half the time. Yeah, that's true. I mean,

I'd like to expand on that further and get more

into the cooking and the gardening, which gardening

is seasonal. There's not much you can really

do. So I'll have to catch it right probably start

in September. I'm not September, December when

I actually start working in the garden to get

it ready. Well, you could just harvest a bunch

of pumpkins right now, seeing as how according

to the entire world, as soon as September 1st

hit, oh, my God, it's pumpkin season. No, it's

not. Stop it, people. Pumpkins. So fun fact about

pumpkins, you have to plant them months early.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Oh, boy. Folks, this

is not a gardening podcast. Not yet, anyway.

I'll make a gardener out of Mike yet. Hey, I've

been a quote -unquote gardener my whole life.

I used to throw, my grandfather used to throw

ears of corn at me, to me, not at me, but to

me. Uh, in his garden, my grandpa had a, uh,

we lived in Kingston, Massachusetts. His garden

was one of the best in town. So, so yeah, but

no, no, I, I, I don't have a green thumb. I don't

even have a brown thumb. I don't even know what

kind of thumb I have anymore. Cartoons, folks!

It's all about cartoons. But like I was trying

to say about your lovely YouTube channel, for

those that don't know, for those who are first

listening to the sound of your voice, why don't

you tell people what you do over at KyDragon

Media? Well, at KyDragon Media, I do a lot of

live streams with the Wrecking Crew, as I call

them. It's a bunch of guys that we do a lot of

shenanigans. One of them is also an up -and -coming

YouTuber, Captain Ruggles, who... Me and him

met last October. We started working together.

I also cover gaming news. I also have the Dragon

Slayer podcast. Well, not quite a podcast because

I don't have any service to really upload it

to yet. But I do have a live show where I bring

in all sorts of guests. We talk about current

news, pop culture, and sometimes we just have

random banters about whatever in that field that

we may think of. includes THB Ninja Turtles,

He -Man, everything that we lived as new as children

that we enjoyed, and the evolution of games.

So there's a lot I kind of cover. I like to be

diverse, and I'd love to actually get to the

point that I'm doing more talk shows and less

gaming, but that all takes time. It takes time,

and you've got to figure out who you're going

to talk with and all that good stuff and everything

else. The funny thing about Captain Ruggles is

he is Steve Megatron's brother. Steve Megatron

and I started the Geekcast Radio Network 14 years

ago, so you've always got to keep it in the family,

I guess. It's kind of interesting because I'm

honored to be on your show, by the way. Really,

truly honored. You've had me on a couple of times.

Yeah, you've become one of my reoccurring guests.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the emergency guest. Like,

oh, crap, something – the co -host that I'm not

usually used to working with, well, surprise,

surprise, flaked again. So I need somebody. I'll

do it. I ain't got nothing else to do. Well,

it's not more than that. I enjoy your personality.

Well, no, I know. I enjoy your content. Thank

you. And you are a fantastic guy. And I truly

hope Keycast Radio continues to grow because

I think you and Steve have so much fantastic

input and so much to give to the communities.

And I'm really grateful for working with you.

Thank you. Your $50 is in the mail. It'll be

there in seven to ten business days. Except they're

not balanced. That's right. act nothing it's

it's $51 bills like you used to get when you

would you know be a part of a Nielsen household

oh my god whatever the quarterly was or whatever

the Nielsen TV I'm like why did these people

send me three $1 like oh okay cool free money

yay all right we are here to talk about cartoons

animation anime whatever you want to however

you want to classify it and I mean obviously

folks we wouldn't be here the answer to the first

question wasn't obvious. Did you grow up watching

cartoons, and what were some of the first, what

are some of your earliest cartoon memories? The

earliest cartoon memories I remember was, well,

taking back, the first ones I ever had was He

-Man. I loved He -Man, Masters of the Universe.

I just remember all the crazy stuff Skeletor

would say, like, you nincompoop, or you boob,

or whatever. We'd always have He -Man beating

up Skeletor, or Skeletor would get power, and

eventually there'd be a two -part episode. Those

were rare at the start when I was watching them.

That was probably 1985 is when I got into a lot

of the cartoons, at least that I can remember

it. And I remember that they always had valuable

lessons at the end. So after the 20 -minute show,

maybe more 18 minutes after all the commercials,

They always had a little slogan at the end about

what you should and shouldn't do. And they always

tried to instill some type of morals, which I

think was really cool. That was something that

old cartoons used to do, like G .I. Joe. I want

to talk to you today about safety. Accidents

don't just happen to other people. They can happen

to you. But you can do some things to help prevent

accidents from happening. Using a safety belt

when riding in a car can save your life or prevent

you from being seriously hurt. Now, I know you've

been told never to play with matches because

if you do, you're playing with fire. And fire

can burn your toys, your home, your family, you.

So use your common sense and think about what

you're doing. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Well, you know, you have a, like you're saying,

in, you know, 14 years, we've actually covered

every single, I have a podcast for you to listen

to. We've covered every single episode of almost

every single Masters thing ever. Almost everything.

A lot of the new Netflix stuff we haven't gotten

to yet, but we have all the Filmation stuff,

all the new adventures. Oh, God, I'm dying. The

2002 show, none of the things. But, yeah, so.

Yeah, the funny thing about that is, and most

everyone knows this, for those 22 minutes or

18 minutes or however long they are, they had

to have that there because you have 18 minutes

of sword fighting or blasters or whatever, and

oh my god, the whole, and I'm not getting into,

I do not do politics on any of the, I try my

best not to, I don't really care too much, but

like, the whole thing back then with Reagan and

everything else and all that and whatever, so

that's why the... the messages were, and most

of the messages, most of the PSAs tied in. They

most, not a lot, not all of them, but they tried

their best to tie them into what happened in

the episode, specifically the email. If some

kid that we didn't know, like cousin Jeremy or

something, and cousin Jeremy is an actual character

in that show. And I remember this because cousin

Jeremy is a complete whiny bitch. Like, if he

did something wrong within the episode, the PSA

would say, hey, kids, don't do what this moron

did. It doesn't say it like that, but you get

the point. Yeah, it was like PG light back then.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, all right. I

mean, when you think about that, like, I want

to preface this a little bit more. Yeah, you're

right. Back then in the days, and, you know,

reflecting on it, it became kind of a norm. But

I do remember when violence in cartoons was a

big deal. Even, like, Looney Tunes. Oh, yeah.

The thing about when Roadrunner, beep, beep,

would do something to Wile E. Coyote or something.

Or Elmer Fudd, which, you know, that changed,

too, down the road. But, yeah, I'm not talking

politics or anything. But it's weird how... Everything

in animation from when I watched as a kid has

evolved. But He -Man was the one that stood out

to me the most when it came to that. I mean,

I collected every single toy there was known

to man. Yeah, that is so cool. So you mentioned

He -Man, but what other cartoons were you watching

the most as a kid? Were you a Saturday morning

consumer, an after -school consumer, or both?

I was both. Definitely both. Since I was an only

child, usually after school, between working

on homework or if I didn't have homework, I was

watching. I remember 3 .30, I came home from

school. 4 o 'clock, I was ready for Transformers

and watched all the Transformers from season

one all the way to the end of season two, three.

I think it was three, and then they went. Then

they discontinued it. Also, G .I. Joe was on

at 4 .30. It was Fox at the time. I remember

that because that was the channel that I always

watched. It always had the cartoons on there.

CBS and ABC didn't really have anything. It wasn't

Fox Kids at the time. It was just cartoons. Those

two are another ones that I watched. Transformers

never had any PSA messages, but I remember G

.I. Joe. I remember some of the good ones with

G .I. Joe, like the stop, drop and roll and things

like that after that. And they really pushed

hard to teach valuable stuff on that. But those

probably that was 85, 86, 87 and 88. And then

I kind of shifted around 88, 89. And that was

still also during Saturday morning cartoons.

Usually they'd release the new Transformer. and

the G .I. Joe stuff on Saturday morning on Fox,

or CBS did actually have Saturday morning cartoons,

and I remember watching the Smurfs. Oh, Pound

Puppies. Keep in mind, I was a little kid back

then, too. Oh, God. Let's see. What other ones?

The Snorks, Transformers, G .I. Joe, and then

the big evolution came for me was, I think it

was 88 or 89. Don't quote me on that. Teenage

Mutant Turtles debuted. 1987 is when it debuted.

God, my dates are off. It's okay. I'm so old

I don't remember the dates. Teenage Mutant Turtles

debuted. 4 .30 every day on Fox. I was addicted

to that. When they stopped doing new episodes,

then they moved it to Saturday morning cartoons

at 9 a .m. I remember that time because I was

not a morning person, but I had to be up for

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yep. I don't believe

it. My mighty foot soldiers beaten by a bunch

of turtles. And mutant turtles at that. Shocking.

Mrs. Craig, report to me at once. Great. Terrific.

We're on the run, and that idiot wants to chit

-chat. Transformers actually did have PSAs. I

just don't remember seeing... I remember seeing

the G .I. Joe ones. I remember obviously seeing

the He -Man ones, but I had to find it on YouTube.

There's a video on YouTube that actually has

a lot of them, but Transformers, it had to have.

If it didn't have them, it wouldn't have aired.

That's weird. Nothing stood out to me. I don't

remember anything for PSAs or Transformers. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, and that's the thing. Like

I've said before that the 80s was interesting

because you have when He -Man started in 83 and

then Transformers in 84, you had G .I. Joe and

all that. You have all this stuff up to a point.

And then some new stuff comes around, like TMNT,

like Cops in 88, like Adventures of the Gummy

Bears and whatever else you have. The 80s, I

would say from 82 to 89, the end of the decade,

you had a constant timeline of cartoons that

you could watch and try to, you know, you had

all that kind of stuff. As the 90s happened,

it still, you know, it kind of transitioned into

Marvel and DC and all that and everything else.

But it just didn't. It was different in the 90s

than it was in the 80s. In the 80s, it was just

like, well, we watched this for four seasons.

What's next kind of thing? Let's just move on.

And whereas the 90s, it was like BTS, XTAS and

Spider -Man and all that stuff were all kind

of at once a little bit. I mean, Spider -Man

and. Spider -Man was two years after BTS and

XTIS, but that's beside the point. Yeah, I think,

when I think of the evolution of that, I remember

how it all shifted gears. After, there wasn't,

I can't remember how many episodes there was,

but I remember, I think it was, I want to say

89, but I'm probably off. Wasn't the Transformers

movie out then? No, it was 86 for the movie.

86? God, my dates are off. So, 84, 85 was season

one, season two. 86 was the film. 87 was season

three. By 88, it was gone because they just had

the rebirth three -parter for season four, and

then they just kind of, like, rebranded. Well,

they rebranded, and they did it, the cybernetic

space cube. The computer -enhanced stories of

the Transformers. This is Transformers Generation

2. All's it was was repackaged Generation 1 episodes

in CGI. Like, really, really early, late 80s,

but early CGI effects and the cybernetics. It

was... Didn't you know it's crazy? I remember...

Hell, I remember this stuff clear back to when

I was four years old. Some of the stuff I don't.

i don't remember watch okay that's frightening

geez i'm old okay yeah yeah we're old so how

did your cartoon watching habits change as you

grew up and throughout your life you know that's

that's an interesting question i think once teenage

mutant turtles became the only one i was really

watching gi joe and transformers kind of fizzled

out um end up watching the live actions of the

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, was big on Turtles,

got all the toys. After that, it hit this wall.

I mean, there was cartoons that I started watching

in the early 90s, which was Batman, the animated

series, the Spider -Man, which always was at

10 a .m. on Fox on Saturday. And that was right

after Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So that was

why I watched it. And then after and then X -Men,

which was at 1030 on Fox. So X -Men, Spider -Man.

You're right. The Marvel kind of took over at

that point. And I watched a lot of those in D

.C. And so I continued to watch them, but I wasn't

as engaged. At 430, I usually was home. So I'd

watch Batman, the animated series. And they had

a lot of reruns on that. and always put the new

stuff on Saturday morning, which was always interesting.

I'd always do the reruns then, and then just

anything new is always there once a week on Saturday.

And once X -Men kind of fizzled out, and Spider

-Man fizzled out, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,

I couldn't find it anymore after, I think, season...

It was either season three or season four. It

was after they had finally beat Shredder once

and for all with the Technodrome and all that,

and it ended. And it was before they changed

the new cartoon styles. Right, but it didn't.

87 Turtles went from 87 to 96. It has 10 seasons.

I just don't remember all the seasons. It was

the one where they finally beat Shredder. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Yeah, you're right.

for nine years. So by the time season four was

out, it still had up to, I think, seven seasons,

maybe. I've got the DVDs around here somewhere.

I'll have to look it up. I've been wanting to

find a Blu -ray copy of all the original ones,

unedited, if I ever can find them. I'm going

to have to look while you stay. I don't think

there's a Blu -ray copy. I know there's a complete

series DVD set that they had out. Yeah, I'd love

to revisit that stuff. But about that was about

the time that I'd stopped watching that. And

then mostly it was timing. I think it was hard

to find the scheduling because where I'm at,

we had maybe 20 channels. So if Fox, CBS didn't

have it on their Saturday morning, the only really

ones you had was Fox for afternoon after school.

And then Cartoon Network eventually came into

play, but they really didn't have a lot there.

But that kind of steers into the next thing.

So 90s, as a lot of that stuff started fizzling

away, and I couldn't find the shows as much,

like the Ninja Turtles. I think that's why I

stopped watching was I couldn't find it anymore.

Right, yeah. And the Internet really wasn't very

big back then still. Power Rangers came out.

I started watching the Power Rangers. Kind of

probably watched up till they went to the racing

car ones, and then I kind of got bored with that.

And then I evolved, as I say. Toonami came out.

Okay. And that's when I got heavy into anime,

which was Gundam Wing. Dragon Ball Z, Dragon

Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Cowboy Bebop. There were

so many of them. So then at that point, I stopped

watching Saturday cartoons. And I was watching

10 o 'clock every night. I was watching the anime.

And then they moved some of it down to the 3

.30, 4 .30 slot. So Fox kind of fell off the

radar at probably... I want to say 98, 99, I

think I was just, I remember I was just out of

school, but I still watched cartoons. I mean,

the way I looked at it, cartoons, you know, never

changed no matter how old you get. And so I got

into anime pretty heavily at that point and everything

kind of shifted off. So then it went to just

to Nami that night, usually in a Saturday, my

Saturdays are always booked. I had a date with,

uh, swims, Toonami. It was from like 10 o 'clock

till almost 2 in the morning, just different

anime. Some I liked, some I didn't. I mean, I

watched Inuyasha. I watched... Oh... Then there

was G Gundam. There was Mobile Suit Gundam. And

then I thought Sailor Moon was another one because

a friend got me to watch it. And I was like,

eh, it ain't terrible for what it is. I've watched

Dragon Ball Z. So, I mean, it was like, okay,

whatever. And then I shifted almost entirely

out of cartoons at that point and into more anime,

even though I really kind of, they technically,

there should be both, but I guess more Western

cartoons and more into Japanese and Korean animations

at that time. Cool. Very cool. Very cool. So

how often do you go back and rewatch any of the

cartoons you grew up with? Surprisingly, more

often than I thought I would. Especially once

I found places like Hasbro on YouTube would still

play some episodes of G .I. Joe. They don't even

go through all of them. I found some that did

Transformers, but they didn't really play all

of them. But at least it was something just to

kind of fill the niche. I would still go back

to watch Dragon Ball Z. I'd still watch pretty

much anything that I grew up with, I would still

watch. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I found

a place on YouTube that was done by the company

that owns them. Playmates. Playmates. And they

had like five episodes. But they skipped so many

episodes like the birth of Bebop. But still,

it was at least it was something because I I

miss James Avery. He was Uncle Phil to me and

the one and only Shredder. I mean, nobody could

replace James Avery. And so just hearing his

voice always was a fun memory because I remember

just growing up. around him all the time, and

I loved that actor and voice actor. Yeah. He

was an all -around good guy. I must congratulate

you. It's the same guys we fought last night.

You passed your test with flying colors. Test?

What test? Your hairy little friend knows me

as Oroku Saki. But you may call me the Shredder.

A kitchen utensil? You would be wise to lose

your flippant ways if you wish to join the honorable

Foot Clan. Yeah, he really, really was, and I

absolutely loved him as Shredder. And the crazy

thing to me is, and I don't know, I haven't heard

anything on any interviews or whatever else,

so I have. Years ago, they put out a, I mean,

it's still out there, but they put out a special

edition. of the complete dvd series of the 87

cartoon and it came uh it was 23 discs i think

i think that's right it came in a mock turtle

van packaging oh that is cool and i never was

able to get it back in 2021 when my late wife

was sadly getting ready to you know all that

I'm like, I'm pulling the trigger on this. I

spent like $125 on this thing. So it's all 23

discs. It's all of the whatever. It's everything

else. So I go to start watching it. I know the

first five episodes because what's so funny about

that series is the first five episodes is season

one. That's it. Those very first five that they

did, that's the first season. Because back then,

the cartoons, like G .I. Joe has the mask device,

which is the first five. They did these, like,

premier five -part episodic things back then.

to see a teaser. They would do that in early

fall, and then the rest of the cartoon wouldn't

be coming out until Christmas or something on

TV or whatever back then. So I remember those

first five episodes like the back of my hand.

I do not remember most of everything else from

that show because it's been so long, and I've

never gone back to really re -watch it. So I

start watching it, and I'm in the middle of season

two, and it's a Shredder and Krang episode, and

I'm like, wait a minute. That's Pat Fraley as

Krang. Who's in for Shredder? Because there are

a couple episodes that it's not James Avery.

It's actually Dorian Harewood a few times, and

I don't know why. Yeah, I don't know. It was

strange when they switched it. And just, you

are correct, I did find it. The original ones.

All ten seasons. on Amazon right now for $58.

Oh, don't do that. I mean, do that if you want,

yeah, but I found it on Walmart for $45 .99.

So, you know, I was going to send that to you

after the show. So, which cartoons, so you say

you've re -watched some, which ones from cartoons

from your childhood have you re -watched as an

adult? Which ones... I don't really believe in

cartoons, any media holding up. I believe in

the fact that it was made at the time it was

made and it's supposed to exist in that time

and you're not supposed to hold it up to today's

standards because today's standards aren't like

the standards that were 40 years ago. But which

cartoons have you rewatched that you feel are

either still good or not so good? Well... Once

in a while I can find an old He -Man. In fact,

I've watched the whole seasons of He -Man and

She -Ra. I couldn't leave out She -Ra because

they had that crossover with He -Man and the

Hordak, which a lot of people forget that those

toys were both connected through Hordak and Skeletor

and their rivalry and everything. And I thought

it was... Pretty good. So I've still watched

some of those. I think last... When Kevin Smith's

He -Man came out, I went back to watch the original

ones instead because I... That was the He -Man

I remembered. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, if

I could find it on YouTube, Netflix, whatever,

I'd watch it because I... There's some fun episodes

that I just absolutely still love to this day

that I think highly of. Then G .I. Joe, if I

can find it, I'll watch it. Same with Transformers.

I liked the two -part episodes the most of Transformers.

But the one that stood out to me the most on

Transformers that I remember because I still

watched it, I watched it off and on. is when

Grimlock becomes smart. The Dinobots were my

favorite. Grimlock's new brain. Gotta love it.

When he built that whole new... The Aerialbots

Computron. I was like, yeah, I definitely like

that one. That one stood out the most. For me,

I think that one meant the most to me. That's

going to sound crazy because I was a nerd at

school. I was the guy that was always into books,

history, everything. And I could relate to what

it was like for Grimlock to be smart and then

be shunned by the other Dinobots. And that's

how I felt growing up. And I think that they've

all aged well. If I had children, I think I'd

want them to be able to see what good cartoons

were back then. There is some timeless treasures.

And Batman the Animated Series is a treasure.

Oh, yeah, it is. I wasn't sure how I felt when

I first saw that one, but when I get time, once

in a while, we'll try to watch some of that again.

The Clayface stuff was always the tragedy one.

That one always hit me the most, I think. Yep.

So, yeah, I do visit X -Men. I'd like to watch

those again if I can find them because I loved

the seasons of X -Men. It was always good. I

mean, compared to the modern cartoons, we've

had reboots. And sorry if I'm veering off too

much on this, Mike, but the modern cartoons,

I don't feel like have weighed as deep as the

older cartoons. I mean, if we think about every

version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, we think

of every new version of G .I. Joe. We think of

every, like even the He -Mans. Granted, there

was the 2000 He -Man, I believe, that lasted

several series. It lasted several years. That

one was not bad. I will give that one a pass.

But for the most part, when they try to reinvent

those toys, those cartoons, I feel like they've

lost their legacy, they've lost their way, and

they're not quite the timeless treasures that

I think the 80s and 90s had. There's just something

magical about that era where... I feel like there

was more creativity, more expression. There was

no, if you seen it, you wouldn't recognize it

of political undertones. It was just, Hey, I

want to escape. I want to enjoy this. This is

beautiful. Or, you know, and there was always

a good versus evil. Yeah. And, but there was

always a valuable lesson to that. And that's

why I think the 80s and 90s really held up way

more. And I mean, there are certain cartoons

nowadays that I've seen that are good cartoons.

But, I mean, yeah, some of them aren't so good

either. I will say that I finally finished, and

I mentioned this, I don't know if I mentioned

this last episode or whenever. It took me the

longest time to try Star Wars Clone Wars because

I could never find it on Cartoon Network or wherever

it was airing when it originally aired from 2005

to whenever. And it's now all on Disney+. Well,

it took me a couple of years, but I finished

that. I went into Bad Batch. I went into Rebels.

Rebels, my initial thought with that was, oh,

God, I hate Ezra. Season 1 Ezra is just bleh.

But it gets better as the four seasons progress

in Rebels. So I will say that there are some

cartoons that have been. Transformers is always

evolving. There's always a different iteration

most of the time. If Beast Wars is your thing,

great. If Beast Machines is your thing, great.

If Transformers Animated from 2007 was what you

like, great. If Transformers Prime from 2010

is your thing, great. There's a version of Transformers

animation on television, streaming, whatever,

for almost anyone, and they constantly change

it. G .I. Joe is like... I think it's because

it's the military. I could be wrong. And if I'm

wrong, please, listeners, let me know. But I'm

fairly certain because it's the military, G .I.

Joe gets the raw end of the stick when it comes

to animation. Like, I don't remember, like, not

Sigma 6. What was the Renegades? Is there another

one that came out? Anyway, go ahead. I don't

disagree with you on that. think that they had

to be careful too because you know they had all

sorts of life events that happened and i don't

think they wanted to give cobra and those as

much clout as they did anymore because of all

the stuff going on in modern world um it was

all supposed to be fantasy uh you brought up

a good point beast wars was another one i i and

my I'd get up at 5 .30 in the morning on Fox

to watch it before I went to college. Yep. That

was the other one. And so, yeah, that Transformers,

I didn't really consider that one quite the same

as the Generation 1 Transformers. Generation

2, I considered that its own standalone. Oh yeah,

Beast Wars and Beast Machines are its own standalone,

but they did tie in Generation 1 into Beast Wars,

because... Which was clever. Yeah, very clever.

There have been, since 1983, six G .I. Joe animated

things. There was the 83 series, the 89 series,

Extreme, Sigma 6, Resolute, and Renegades. And

Renegades was 20... I want to say, yeah, November

26, 2010. So it's 2023. It's been a number of

years since there's been a G .I. Joe cartoon

at all. Yeah, it just fell to the wayside. It

was the one that kind of just fizzled out at

some point. I mean, Teenage Mutant Turtles has

been rebooted a lot. I could not get into the

newer stuff. After all the seasons that I did

watch, which I don't think it ever felt the same

to me with the later incarnations of it. Even

to this day, I don't... I just like the original.

And maybe I'm... too old school on that mic,

but there's... Yeah, I get it. I was kind of

like that too, but at 23 years old, trying my

best and failing to go to college at the time

back in 2003, it's a whole story, folks. No one

wants to hear that story. I was like, I had been

watching cartoons for a while, and I found the

2002 He -Man cartoon. I found the 2003 Mike Young

Productions, 4KidsTV, Turtles. And I loved it.

It was cool. It was great. It was fun. It was

awesome. And that, I will send you a link after

this for that. That finally, after all these

years, is finally getting a damn DVD. It hasn't

been on DVD at all. It's been on like... Whatever

the old CBS streaming app was, I forget what

the hell it was called. It was on this, it was

on that. I believe it's currently on Paramount

+, but I could be wrong. But it's finally getting

a physical media release for the complete series

for the 2003 TMNT series. And I cannot wait because

that is going to be so freaking cool. I never

watched all of it because I think it is seven

or nine seasons of it. I forget how long that

is, but off the top of my head. But it was really

good. So I would say check that out. I'll have

to check it out. Yeah. So that was really cool.

All right. Like I said, the He -Man one was real.

The He -Man one they did in 2002 was not bad.

I did like the updated animation with it. I think

they did a good job on that one. And they also

added like the men from snake mountain too, which

I remember those toys. So, I mean, there, there

is some good and bad, but I just, I don't know.

I just, I feel like the older ones just stick

the most to me. That's fair. Who is your end

all be all favorite cartoon character from any

cartoon? You can pick one hero and one villain.

Well, You're probably going to guess this one.

My favorite villain is the Shredder. And that's...

There was always this time... The reason for

them is he's always this villain that may seem

like he's winning and his ego would get to him

and then he would just get crushed. Yep. Or it

would be embarrassing and Krang would make fun

of him the entire time, which... I laughed at

that one. Yeah. And then, uh, I have to give

this one. Skeletor is the second one runner up

on that one. Okay. Yep. What about the heroes?

Heroes? That's a tough one. Cause there's always

the heroes out there that always stand out the

most. But for me, Donatello, Donatello was, the

Ninja turtle that I always inspired to be somebody

that was noble, tried to do the right thing,

but was that nerd that always liked to try to

help with new inventions or new ideas. And he

resonated with me so much to this day that I

still have the old Halloween costume that I had

when I was a kid, just because that one, stood

out to me the most yep yeah you and i talked

about that off air i had a homemade version of

it with uh with a homemade bandana and and you

had the one that you have it's crazy funny thing

is i was skeletor the previous year for halloween

so when turtles debuted in 87 for 86 halloween

i was skeletor for 87 halloween i was donatello

Yeah, my mom made a custom outfit for me in 87

or 88. It was when they had just brought out

the trench coat Ninja Turtles toys. And I had

the Detective Donatello one, and I actually wore

that one. It was so much fun. We had the full

body outfit, and she went to look for the trench

coat and everything to get it all together. foam

bow staff for everything, and it was a lot of

fun. Yeah, very cool, very cool. Yeah, we didn't

make a foam bow staff. My mom had an old broom,

and she just kind of broke the broom end off

of it, like, rounded it off, and yeah, it was

very DIY. Well, I couldn't take that to school.

Well, no, but, like, that was for halloween that

night yeah no it was not no no because yeah we

uh i had i won a bunch of competitions with that

one in school but but i wanted to have make sure

i had the bow and so we had to make sure it was

foam for that reason and then there was a couple

halloween contests that i did i remember the

one i did get second place to the guy that out

of metal build himself a Predator outfit. Oh,

wow. I, I, you know, I can't, I can't fault the

guy for getting it. I'm like, it was just incredible.

I mean, full, like he was in a metal shop or

something and just built this whole thing and

just like, okay, this is cool. Yep, absolutely.

Who are some other cartoon characters you like?

Are there any that you hate? Well, I like He

-Man. Let's see. Megatron, Rocksteady. I mean,

when you're talking about it, it's hard to really

find ones that I disliked. I feel like they all

had a purpose in the cartoons. So it's really

hard to find one that I didn't think really fit.

There was also your comic relief ones, like Waspinator

was always the comic relief. Yep. But as far

as ones I didn't like, you put me on the spot

here, Mike. I'm going to have to think on this

for a second. Moving forward to... 1990s. I don't

remember the year. I did not like Jason from

the Power Rangers. Not Jason David Frank. The

other one. You're talking about Jason Lee Scott.

You're talking about Austin St. John's character.

Yes. And the reason why And it wasn't fair for

me. Over the years, I got better on that. But

I feel like they screwed Billy over on being

the Black Ranger or the Gold Ranger or whatever

it was that won. Oh, yeah. He should have been

the one. And I've always thought that was just

really crappy character writing. And turns out

it really was because there was down the rabbit

hole on it. Um, I remember that when I was like,

why wasn't Billy the gold? It was, it was like

black and gold or something. And I remember the

gold Ranger was tray of Triforia and it ended

up also being Jason because that's who helped

them out. As far as that goes, as far as I remember

from remembering off the top of my head here.

Yeah. They made some use that Billy was corrupted

and couldn't do it. No, well, because there was

something, yeah. But also it's like, I think

one of David Yost, the actor, I think one of

his things was he didn't want to be in the suit

anymore. I don't remember. I don't want to put

words in the man's mouth. He wanted to stay on

the show, but he wanted to just be the character

of Billy, just have him be like tech support,

I guess. But Billy, I don't know if you know,

but... He's made a comeback. He's in Cosmic Fury.

I haven't seen it yet, but, yeah, I mean, and

that's what I love about Power Rangers and anything

that brings back any of the old people that were

there, you know, always, you know, giving it

some good respect and that kind of stuff. So

that was the one thing. I mean, and I didn't

fault, you know, anybody. actor for it. I just

didn't like the writing back then when I was

younger. Yeah, that's never the actor's fault.

That's the writer's fault. No, I just, I was

like, but he's done so much. Why would they stiff

him? And I was just like, yeah, so that was the

character. And it was more from the story aspect,

not really necessary anything behind the scenes.

It was more just, I was like, why? I'm like,

he's worked so hard, and he lost his power, you

know, and I was like, okay. Then, moving forward

to some other characters I didn't like, it was,

or things, was Dragon Ball Z. I think, I think

Boo, I finally got over it later on, but I feel

like the boo saga was really crappy writing because

it was a giant pink guy that eats everybody.

And there was no, I just didn't really feel like

there was much purpose to that. Whereas cell

and the previous one was more serious. The world

was coming to an end, go on, you know, defeats

him and stuff and there was a reason for so it

was vengeance from dragon ball when goku beat

the red ribbon army boo was so out of place and

out of left field i just didn't like the writing

on that one and then trying to think of another

good example of one i didn't like honestly i'm

right on the blank there all right well Who are

some of your favorite cartoon voices or voice

actors? Mark Hamill as the Joker, hands down.

Yeah. James Avery for the Shredder. Yep. I'm

blanking on his name. The guy that did Spike

Spiegel from Cowboy Bebop. He's been in so...

That would be Steve Bloom. Thank you. And...

Trying to think of a few other names on that

one. I did like Vic Mignogna for Full Metal Alchemist.

I think he did a good job of that voice. And

Kevin Conroy as Batman. Yep. And Peter Cullen

as Optimus Prime. And, of course, I'm blanking

on his name, and I feel bad because I really

like him. The voice actor that did the original

Megatron. Frank Welker. Thank you. And I remember

listening to an interview with Frank Welker where

they talked about the relationship he and Peter

Cullen had, and I thought that was really cool.

They've been friends for a lot of years, and

we'll still joke around in their prospective

voices. Yeah, absolutely. That was cool. Yeah,

100%. I love those guys. Did you ever own anything

based on a cartoon, toys, comics, coloring books,

etc.? Every He -Man action figure playset, Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles. Got a little bit into the

Rambo when it was out for a little bit. Cartoon.

The Chuck Norris cartoon. Those were the ones

that I really got when I was collecting action

figures back then. And it's weird because I don't

think about Rambo or Chuck Norris because they

didn't last very long. No, they really didn't.

Chuck Norris and his Karate Commandos, I think,

was maybe one season, if I remember correctly.

And I barely remember the Rambo cartoon. Yeah,

they didn't last very long at all. They brought

the toys out. I don't think they sold well or

something, and they just scrapped, and I don't

think the viewership was sold on it. And it's

really hard when you're taking live characters

like that from movies or adaptations of stuff

and inserting it in a cartoon versus... The other

way around, because Rambo is perceived differently

from the movies versus the cartoon, and I don't

think it flowed well, and I think that's why

they failed. Yeah. So, Karate Commandos, or also

known as Chuck Norris' Karate Commandos, it's

basically a TMNT season one. It had five episodes,

and that was it. Hopefully TMNT went on to do

other things, but yeah, I remember that being

such a big, big thing. Mask was another one I

had some toys on. I never collected all the toys,

but I do remember having the car and I had the

semi and a couple of the other ones, but those

were fine back then. So a lot of the cartoons

did influence me when I was a kid for buying

the toys. I mean, that was a big thing. I remember

countless hours as a kid playing with my He -Man

or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles growing up. You

know, it was always fun playing with the action

figures. Yeah, absolutely. Really quickly, just

to round out the Karate Commandos and Rambo animated

series. Rambo, the Force of Freedom, was a Ruby

Spears animated series. It had one season of

65 episodes. So Chuck Norris doesn't rate more

than five because it was so horrible. Wow. Rambo

got basically syndication numbers for one season.

Wow. Okay, that's... That's crazy. Yeah. So very

crazy. All right. Do you, let's see, what is

your favorite cartoon theme song? Oh, man. You

got me a tough one there. You know, the thing

is, cartoon theme songs, even in anime, there's

so many good ones. There's just. It's really

hard to place one. I mean, like, one that stands

out is like the Got to Get Tough Yo -Jo season

three that didn't last very long for G .I. Joe.

You had the original Transformers that still

sticks in my head. Then it mostly went to anime

at that point. It was just like your Dragon Ball

Z. Roni Kenshin always had some really good intro

and outros. But there's so many good ones. And

that tells a lot, in my opinion, if the songs

are good, how much they stand out, too. Yeah.

Absolutely. How big is your animation, DVD, or

digital collection? Are there any series that

you own the entire set of? Dragon Ball Z. I started

getting into it. I would like to expand that,

but I don't have the room. Maybe one day, if

I get a little bigger, I'd love to get all the

original T .H. Muniz Turtles. I'd like to get

all the original G .I. Joe Transformers. Get

all the collections of a lot of the anime that

I used to watch. And even if it was a digital

library, that'd be great. Yeah. Even if it was,

you know, Amazon doing the buy it one time digitally,

it'd be nice to just have it all and have it

forever because it is timeless. And the thing

I don't, I want the originals. I don't want anything

edited. I don't want anything changed. I just

want what I remember. Yeah. Well, I mean, some

of the, I don't know which ones, but I'm sure

some of the, like, strangest things with most

DVDs, and I don't think animation has this problem,

it's more live action, but if when it aired it

had the music rights to a song, and then it got

released on DVD, and they don't have the rights

to put it on DVD, then they have to change the

song. So you're never going to ever really get

full... unedited. There's always going to be

something, but most of the time, though, that

happens with live -action stuff, not animation.

You are absolutely correct. Bruce Falconer of

Dragon Ball Z, fantastic musician, his stuff

got pulled, so the Dragon Ball Z box series sets

had a different music to it, which honestly wasn't

as good as Bruce Falconer. That was hard for

me to get around because his music was so good.

I do remember some of the intros for some of

the cartoons I did find online, streaming on

Netflix or whatever. That changed too. So what

you're saying is absolutely 100 % correct. The

licensing did not carry. And as a content creator

myself, we run into that problem too with games.

Okay, the game may have the right to this, but

I cannot play that music because it's not part

of the deal. So I understand exactly the problem

with the packaging when it comes to DVDs and

Blu -rays. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks. All right. So

you've mentioned He -Man several times. I assume

that would be the answer to this, but you can

tell me otherwise. Which cartoons had the biggest

impact on your life? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

first, He -Man second. Swapped them on you. Very

cool, very cool. What was the most money you

spent on a cartoon item ever? Example, DVD set,

animation cell, a print, etc., etc. Well, some

of those play sets back in the day were pretty

expensive. I mean, $60 and $50 for some of those

things back in the day was huge, like Castle

of Grayskull, the complete set, things like that.

Some of those were not cheap. I mean, money definitely

changed from the time in the 80s, but you're

still paying $5 for the toy, and then usually

the party wagon or the Grayskull, you're looking

easily. I want to say $40 or $50. I think the

play sets, the playgrounds for the action figures

was the biggest expense. Yeah, absolutely. Do

you have a my parents wouldn't let me watch cartoon

story? Honestly, nope. My folks were pretty supportive.

They didn't really stop me from watching. Saturday

morning or after school cartoons. The only stipulation

was having my homework done. Yeah, absolutely.

One of the reasons why we have that question

is because at the time, thankfully, she's not

my stepmother anymore. My stepmother, I was with

her and my dad. We were at her brother's house

or something, and we had just finished dinner,

and it was like a Sunday night at 8 p .m. 1989

or 1990 and what comes on Sundays at 8pm you

know that fun loving Icaramba yellow family and

it was like oh this is cool and one of the homers

said something or yelled something or whatever

and my stepmother was like you can't watch that

she also did that with Batman Batman's too violent.

You can't... Well, I'm like, oh my god. Whatever.

Like, if I can watch the 66 camp pausing flub,

I can watch the 90s where it doesn't have that.

Anyway. Which cartoon series from the past would

you most want to see more of, whether it be a

reboot, live -action movie, or any other form

of media? So, like, Transformers, like, how would

you, like, how would you want to see that more

from the original Generation 1 cartoon? We stumped

him, folks. Honestly, leave the timeless classics

alone. There's a lot of stories out there. There's

a lot of things untold. There's a lot of characters

that could be created. We are in the 21st century.

We have the Internet. We have so many tools at

our disposal. There is no reason you could not

create a whole new cast of characters, a whole

new theme. Is there going to be traces of identity

to old cartoons? Yes, that is absolutely the

thing. Let's take it back to Lord of the Rings,

D &D, all that. There's always something that

was taken from the older books, cartoons, comics,

games, whatever there is. Nothing is... It's

kind of like the Simpson did it meme from South

Park. That really is true that most of the stuff's

been done. But it doesn't mean you can't create

a whole new set of characters. There's no reason

you couldn't make a brand new Power Rangers style

story that isn't Power Rangers and isn't based

on their Zords and stuff. There's a lot of different

things. I just... I kind of feel like that's

the big thing that's missing. Back then, when

you're looking at He -Man, G .I. Joe, Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles, they were innovative, and

there were still very similar things about it.

I mean, you're still having the good guys fight

the bad guys. The bad guys lose and go home and

lick their wounds. There's still a lot of stories

out there. It just takes a lot of the right talent

to do it. Absolutely, absolutely. What is your

opinion of the cartoon sidekicks, Snarf, Orko,

etc.? Love them, hate them, or just don't care

either way? I think they're always good. I think

they can add comic relief. They can add some

type of value to it, or they can add mishaps

or anything to it. Very cool, very cool. Yeah,

some of them are okay -ish. Others, not so much.

But for the most part, they're all right. In

your opinion, which decade represents the golden

era of cartoons and why? 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s,

80s, 90s, 2000s, or 2010s? Can you repeat that

one more time? In your opinion, which decade

represents the golden era of cartoons and why?

40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, or 2010s?

Honestly, I'm going to say 85 to maybe close

to 95. Yeah, 80s and 90s, yep. Yeah, I feel like

it was divided between those two decades is where

all the glory days of cartoons was. Especially

for Western cartoons. I have to preface that

because anime got started really taking off in

the late 90s, early 2000s, I think, in Western

culture. Yeah, without the 80s cartoons, we wouldn't

be where we are today as far as all the media

and all the toys and all the cool stuff that

we have now. The 80s was definitely a tipping

point. Some people view cartoons as something

for children and don't view animation as a serious

form of media that adults should consume. Who

should cartoons be made for, in your opinion?

Everyone. I think there's valuable lessons to

be told with all the cartoons. A lot of people

think cartoons is just for kids because that's

what it was originally intended for when we were

younger. However, cartoons has also evolved.

Point in case, Japanese animation. There's anime,

which I still class as cartoons, but that I would

not show to a young child at seven or eight.

Oh, no. No, there's stuff that I would not show.

It's more geared to your adults, and I think

that's where I noticed my change and my taste

became more towards those. Because it's like

Cowboy Bebop with all the shootings and the fighting

and the violence and the graphic. You know, there's

actually blood and stuff. I would not show that

to a kid. No. There's no way. There is no way.

You stick with the Transformers. You stick with

the G .I. Joes. You stick with that. Once you

get older, animation changes. And there's even

darker animations out there. Your hentais, your

everything. Yeah. that stuff is definitely geared

for adults. Now, granted, we got, you got all

sorts of different genres out there, but it's

for everybody. I mean, even when you look at

it, anime, manga is the fastest growing industry

right now. Yeah, very good. Yeah, it is. And

that's the thing, like, the kid, whatever age,

It has to be old enough where you can explain,

okay, little Billy, you're going to see this

or you're going to see that, and this is good,

this is not, this is right, this is wrong. And

you can't explain. Some animes just can't be

explained to kids that are not teenagers. Like,

if they get 15, 16, fine. You want to watch an

anime? Go ahead. Knock your socks off. Just know

it's fiction. That's not how the real world works.

Exactly. So that's why I believe that there is

a tier to animation that you will evolve over

time as you get older from the stuff that we

grew up with to the modern stuff and then to

more of your the animes because there's just

They're all good storytelling, but like one of

the... So I was 24. My buddy gave me this DVD

to watch. It was Trust, Love, and Betrayal, Rurouni

Kenshin. Okay. I cried. I don't cry Tuesday.

It was so dark, so sad. And I just... And that

was like... Probably, that's where my buddy really

got me deeper into all sorts of anime out there.

It was the movie based off of Roni Kenshin and

how he became a manslayer. And it was a romance

movie. It was an action movie. It was, there

was some gore parts. I mean, there's sword fighting.

It's really, I mean, he's fighting all these

samurai and everything. it was such powerful

storytelling. I'd never seen anything like it

before. And that's, and stuff like that definitely

would never show to somebody until I, you know,

18, 19, because it's a good movie, but it's powerful.

Yeah. And that, but the animation is what I think.

So, because we can do so much more than we can

do with live action. And if it's a fantastic

storytelling, sky's the limit in animation. Yeah,

absolutely. All right, we are now entering the

Cartoon Fantasy Funland. These are five questions

that are... Oh, what did Drew Carey used to say

on who... The questions are all made up and the

points don't matter. If you could own any vehicle

featured in a cartoon, which would it be and

why? Hmm. Honestly, the mask, the car. So we

can just fly everywhere. Oh, the Thunderhawk.

Yeah. Tracker has. Yeah. Yeah. It was a cool

looking car on its own. Hey, it could fly. So

traffic's busy. Yeah, we'll just fly away. That's

right. If you could live in any cartoon world

that you wanted, where would you live? That's

an interesting one. Man, you hit me with a hard

one, but I'm going to have to go with Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles New York City, because that

one seemed a lot cooler. Yep, absolutely. And

it's not as treacherous, because Eternia is not

very pleasant. And other ones I think of, like

Cowboy Bebop, probably not as safe. And then,

yeah, no, no. I think that was probably the safest.

Absolutely, absolutely. Well, it's the safest

because the villains are incompetent and the

turtles just defeat them every time. Who would

be your top three toon pals to join you and become

a quartet so you get to pick three other cartoon

characters? Oh, man. Donatello would definitely

be one of them. And then I would definitely go

with Skeletor, just because it'd be amusing.

And the last one would be Cobra Commander. Wait,

what? Why? Why? Just because I can just imagine

this musical together when you said quartet.

Oh, God. Okay. I'm just... No, no. I'm throwing

a curveball at you there. I'm like, wait a minute.

I assumed he was going to pick Shredder again

so Shredder could shred on the guitar, but okay,

if he wants Cobra Commander to be the vocalist,

sure, why not? Hello, Cobra, I'm going to sing

you a tune now. No, I was thinking he'd be more...

Well, yeah. Drums? Drums, yeah. Oh, crap. If

you could date any cartoon character, which one

would it be? Oh, man. That's an interesting one.

Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop. Cool, cool.

What is the holy grail of cartoon artifacts?

The Sword of Omens, the Matrix of Leadership,

the Power Sword, etc. Hmm. The Matrix. Very cool,

very cool. We are now exiting the cartoon fantasy

fun land. Final question. What is one piece of

advice you'd give cartoon fandom in general?

Take it slow and treasure the timeless classics

because you'll miss them when you get older and

as things evolve and change and they're not going

to have the same punchline or meaning. that the

timeless classics have, in my opinion. Yep. Absolutely.

Always treasure it, folks. Always treasure it.

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iTunes, at Stitcher, or wherever good podcasts

can be found. So, uh, till all are one. Till

all are one. Till all are one. Alright, we're

back here on ToonCast with Kai. Any final thoughts?

Anything you'd like to say before I run through

the closing? You know, I'd say it's an honor

being on the show. And definitely don't give

up on cartoons. They are definitely the key to

our imagination. And sometimes it's just a feel

good to go back and revisit stuff that you grew

up with. Absolutely, absolutely. You want to

give out all your socials and all that stuff

for the show and yourself and any social media

you want to talk about? Yes, you can follow me

on Twitter at KyDragonMedia or X or whatever.

Well, I still call it Twitter in the URL, but

it's just KyDragonMedia. That's my main channel

or thing there. I also have Locals, which usually

I just have people ask for that because it's

sometimes kind of a pain to find because it's

under a whole bunch of things. Or if you go to

Locals, you can look under KyDragonMedia. If

you know it's me, you're going to have the red

background circle with a dragon. And finally,

YouTube, which is where my main hunt is. It is.

Let me grab it. For you. Because I don't ever.

Oh, yeah, that's right. It's www .youtube .com

slash KyDragonMedia. I forgot. You can just do

it that way now. Yep. KyDragonMedia on YouTube.

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