Andrew Hingson on Cartoon Origins

Well, ladies and gentlemen, this is TF2 and Mike

from the GeekCast Radio Network and here on Tooncast.

So, something I've debated doing over the years

is that originally Tooncast was meant to be finite.

One episode 000 to episode 100. whatever cartoons

we wanted to talk about and Optimus Solo and

I along with everyone else that appears on Tooncast

did that from 2009 when the network launched

on June 1st of that year through June 1st of

2011. At the time Tooncast we were aiming for

cartoons from Looney Tunes era 1920s 30s 40s

50s all the way up until 1999. So it was kind

of a retro thing. It was kind of a way back when

machine type of thing. When I launched Tooncast

Beyond in 2011, it was supposed to be cartoons

from the year 2000 to whenever now is. It's kind

of like how Bruce Timm explains the Batman Beyond

future. It takes place fifty years from whatever

the future is now obviously we now know that

the batman beyond future is twenty thirty eight

twenty thirty nine twenty forty etc etc etc holy

crap we're only a decade or so away from being

in the batman beyond future so There was two

shows. There was Tooncast Classic and there was

Tooncast Beyond for two very different eras of

cartoons. Well, it is now 2022. Tooncast Beyond

is 11 years old at this point. Tooncast Classic

is however the hell old. 13, I believe, if I'm

doing the math right in my head, which I don't

like doing math in my head. I prefer to take...

never mind. Anyway, so yeah. Tooncast Beyond

is 11 years old. Tooncast Classic is 13 years

old. Whole point in doing this whole spiel is

that I had Steve Megatron combine both feeds.

So if you ever listen to Tooncast... If you ever

start at the beginning, you're going to get Tooncast

episode 0 through Tooncast episode 100. And then

you're going to get Tooncast Beyond episode 0

up until Tooncast Beyond episode 82. After that,

it gets a little wonky, but then it goes back

to Tooncast Classic, where we've done the Marvel

What If things along with myself and Allison

Richards. and we've done other things, and interviews,

and this, that, anything. So the whole point

of all of this is to say, currently, Tooncast,

overall, the X number of, you know, the 13 -year

journey that Tooncast Classic and Tooncast Beyond

have been on is now in all one feed, which means

we have, not counting doubles, which I've already

deleted, we have 283 episodes of Tooncast. So,

what you're about to hear is the 284th episode

of Tooncast, even though in the episode I say

it's episode 331. So yeah, please enjoy Tooncast

episode 284 with myself and longtime friend of

the show, longtime friend of the network, Andrew

Sketch Hinkson, where I get his... origins in

cartoon habits. Up next, here on Tooncast, unleash

the Toon in you, and now on with the show. Hey,

it's your friendly neighborhood Spider -Man here,

and I'm swinging by the Geekcast Radio Network.

Hello and welcome to Tooncast this is episode

331 and yes, I know folks you may hear that me

say 331 well, that's because I'm trying To combine

the classic Tooncast with Tooncast Beyond because

I want Tooncast to be an overall show Instead

of having it be two separate shows and hopefully

we've done that by now. So I am deeming this

episode 331 I am, of course, TFGO and Mike, and

we are continuing on with the Tooncast origins

here on the Geekcast Radio Network. This time

around, we have the origins of Toonster, Mr.

Andrew Sketch Hinkson, who the last time he was

on a GCRN podcast was in 2016, question mark?

Yeah, that sounds right. He's the top 100 characters.

Yeah, top 100 animated characters. Uh, Mr. Sketch

and I, 1984, have had a lot of fun, uh, when

we, when I started Tooncast Beyond back in the

day, and we talked about a lot of good and bad

cartoons, both animated series and films. Cause

yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm pretty sure you were on

a lot of those DreamWorks films. Some of the

really, really bad ones, like Flushed Away. Why

would you, between - Oh yeah, I think I was on

Flushed Away. You were, I know you were, but

between Flushed Away - Clearly I had nothing

better to do. No, well, hey! Hey! So between

Flushed Away and Ratatouille, I don't understand

why DreamWorks and Disney needs to make a movie

about bathrooms and rats in restaurants. Couldn't

tell you. Couldn't tell you so yes here at tune

cast even though we will be getting back to the

cartoon discussions You know as time progresses.

I've had a lot of changes go on in life in the

last four and a half years some good some bad

and I will talk about those in a different episode

and I will let and I was gonna let him know beforehand,

but I'll let him know afterwards, but It's just

one of those things. Life happens and I'm resettling

myself in a new town and a new state and a new

apartment. And I'm not back up to full. I'm going

to watch the first five episodes of thundercats,

blah, blah, blah. And then have a podcast recording

with Optimus Solo. And Optimus Solo just moved

from Chicago to, or not from Chicago, from Rockford,

Illinois to Florida somewhere. So. he's in transition

as well so the cartoon review stuff will be coming

back until then though I will be doing cartoon

origins here on Tooncast we have 30 questions

all about cartoon watching habits number one

did you grow up watching cartoons and what were

some of your earliest cartoon memories Oh boy,

yeah I did. Definitely watched a lot of cartoons

growing up. I think actually one of my earliest

cartoon memories. I would have been three years

old when the pilot of Ninja Turtles aired. I

definitely remember the TV Guide ad. I'm not

sure if I caught it live, but I feel like I did.

And that's pretty far back when I was three years

old is when that came out. And around that same

time, you know, the first the DuckTales first

season, which was airing in syndication. Yep.

Yep, yep, yep. What cartoons were you watching

most as a kid? Were you a Saturday morning consumer

and after school consumer or both? Well, definitely

both. Would say more after school and before

school when I was growing up Because and this

is this was a truly magical time just before

the Disney afternoon Started in my area the syndicated

block of cartoons on weekday afternoons was Ducktales

rescue Rangers and Ninja Turtles and I was in

heaven a lot of other times Turtles was Weekday

mornings, and then eventually it was on the USA

Cartoon Express, and I catch the morning airings

of that. That's probably the only thing I watched

on USA Cartoon Express, actually. I love me some

turtles. And then, of course, when Disney Afternoon

came out, I was way into that. I liked Tailspin,

but not nearly as much as Darkwing Duck. I loved

Darkwing Duck. So after school was definitely

a big time for watching cartoons, even into my

teenage years, because in my teenage years, and

I got Cartoon Network, then there was the Toonami

action cartoon block in the afternoon from like

four to six. And that was a very big cartoon

block for me. Yes, but Saturday mornings. I feel

like I didn't really watch a lot of Saturday

morning cartoons until like kids WB And then

I definitely was doing more Saturday morning

cartoons But I do remember watching at the awful

time of like 6 a .m. The Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon

on ABC and Reboot that was also aired pretty

early if I recall Yeah, there is nothing like

Nothing like waking up at five 30 in the morning

to get ready for school and to get ready for

the bus and whatever else. And you're watching

like the last three and a half minutes of news

from five 57 to six AM. And then all of a sudden.

Sonic the Hedgehog goes, you know, speeding by

with his chili dog. Like, there's nothing like

that feeling of that show at six. Like, that's

just too much. I love you, I love you, I love

you, Urkel, but Sonic at 6 a .m. Just a little

much, a little much, a little too much of a tablespoon

of something when you're trying to, like, because

for me, when I was a kid. Uh, most of the time

when we had to catch the bus, the bus would come

at like six 30. So I had to be up at five 30,

take the shower, do the, this, the, that, the,

whatever, take the, you know, get the breakfast,

get everything together, brush the teeth, all

that stuff and be out of the house by like six

25. Cause the bus was like a five minute walk

up the street. So, you know, yeah. So yeah, Sonic.

a little too much juicing at 6 a .m. What was

your number one favorite cartoon as a kid? As

a kid, it is definitely Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles. If there was anything that was close

to second place, maybe either Darkwing Duck or

Animaniacs, but it's probably Ninja Turtles.

Cool cool So do you have other cartoons? Did

you have other cartoons that you liked? Do you

have a favorite cartoon genre type? I like all

manner of cartoons Growing up. I really liked

you know superhero shows spider -man Batman wasn't

too into x -men, but I definitely was into Superman

Batman and spider -man the tick I like the comedies,

the Warner Brothers comedies, Animaniacs, Freakazoid,

and Tiny Toons, of course. And even before that,

Tasmania. That's a good one, too. As I got older,

I liked more action -oriented animation. Around

the late 90s, when... Sometime after both Sailor

Moon and Dragon Ball were tried in syndication

Pokemon comes along and Suddenly, I know what

anime is I saw Samurai Pizza Cats before that

in the earlier 90s and that that was a fun show

But I didn't really connect that that was a Japanese

cartoon, but Pokemon I knew because I read Nintendo

Power I was like, oh Pokemon the animation from

Japan's coming over. I'm gonna check this out

And I was really into that in junior high. And

then into high school, I got into Dragon Ball,

Dragon Ball Z, Gundam, starting with Gundam Wing,

Antunami. I got that was because I unfortunately

didn't pay nearly enough attention to shows like

Gargoyles. Gundam Wing comes along and I'm like,

wow, this is a cartoon where I'm not sure who

the good guy is. This is compelling. Obviously

if I had paid more attention to gargoyles, I

would have dawned on that way sooner, but what

can you do? I rectified it eventually. But uh,

yeah, Toonami keeps introducing lots of different

anime, a lot of giant robot shows, a lot of space

sci -fi stuff, and a lot of martial arts stuff,

and kind of the later 2000s I got into Naruto

which seems like a natural progression after

Ninja Turtles, right? Ninja So I kind of fell

off of Naruto by the time The 2003 Ninja Turtles

comes along and then I was way into Ninja Turtles

again You know, there was just a kind of a little

period in the late 90s to the early 2000s But

I was so hyped for more Ninja Turtles in my high

school days. Yeah for Ninja Turtles to come back

Yeah, well that's the, you know, that's the funny

thing about specifically Transformers and Turtles.

So Generation 1 for Transformers, as everyone

knows, ran from 1984 to 1987. Turtles ran from

1987 to 1996. Yes, there was Generation 2 for

Transformers, but those were just repackaged

G1 episodes. But we did have you know we had

that in syndication but there was no new transformers

cartoons until nineteen ninety six where is from

ninety six to two thousand three there was no

new turtles stuff. Between the first you know

between the seventy seven thousand three it's

funny how that that happens in that goes in and

what i've noticed with animation and even anime

i am. I am a noob when it comes to anime. The

closest thing I come to anime, and it really

isn't even anime, is Steve Bloom as the voice

of Tom on Toonami. It's not that I dislike the

stuff, it's just it's not my thing, and that's

okay. I respect it for what it is, and I watch...

Alright, so you talk about Pokemon. How big of

a Pokemon fan were you? Oh, man in junior high

I was I was pretty deep into Pokemon I had the

cards I had the games I watched the anime I missed

one episode of Pokemon in syndication and I was

devastated just Devastated it's ridiculous. No,

they think back to it. But Yeah, I was I was

definitely into it for a short time Because for

me growing up, I watched it here or there. I

knew all the characters. I knew Squirtle. I knew

Pikachu. I knew Ash. I knew Misty. I knew Brock.

Jesse and James and Team Rocket and Meowth and

all of that. And I remember what a big deal Mewtwo

was. And I was like, Oh God. okay you guys can

have it no it was i know i know it was and i

and i respected for that my point in bringing

all of this up is is that pokemon if i was going

to get into anime pokemon was the show and then

like a year i don't i don't know how much after

it but all of a sudden here comes digimon and

i'm like wait what Yeah, and then all of the

Pokemon clones fall into place Everybody wanted

a piece Yeah, so how much of a Digimon fan were

you or did you just stay in the Pokemon camp?

Yeah, actually I really liked Digimon Early on

I like the first two seasons in particular by

the time the second season was coming out I was

I was kind of like Should I really be watching

this? I mean, it's obviously a show for younger

audiences than me a sophisticated teenager But

I was it was kind of a guilty pleasure. I And

at that point I hadn't I think I was probably

not watching Pokemon as much because Digimon

was kind of cooler Creatures could actually talk

and turn into like really big Monsters it's you

know, it was it was kind of cool. I Didn't really

get into any of the other Monster battle shows

like a lot of people roughly my age were into

Yu -Gi -Oh. Nah, not me Really? it's probably

because I don't really care for card games that

much like the Pokemon card game was the only

card game I ever really got into and Yeah, so

When my friends started playing Yu -Gi -Oh, I

was like, eh, whatever. Good for you. Obviously,

I won't understate the success of Yu -Gi -Oh

or its popularity. But yeah, I was a little over

it by then. I was too busy getting back into

Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Though I don't think I ever

really left. Oh, no. Once you saw the 87 series,

once you saw, and I'm going to say all three

of them, but once you saw the three films, even

if you were an early adopter, comic reader of

the original Mirage stuff, once you're a Turtles

fan, you're a Turtles fan. Same thing with Masters

of the Universe. Just because from 1987, yeah,

she relapsed it to 87. Yeah. Just because from

1987 to 2002, there was no, okay, technically

1987 to 1991 or two, because there was that new

adventures of He -Man. But let's just say from

Filmation to Mike Young Productions. You know,

just cause there wasn't anything doesn't mean

that you being a fan of it goes away. Like you're

still a fan of it. And that kind of ties into

question six, which is how often do you go back

and rewatch any other cartoons you grew up with?

Well, uh, I find it difficult to do that much

because there's such a wealth of content. Like

I'm. I'm finding new animation to watch all the

time. Like, just in Japanese shows, there's like

30 shows coming out every three months. And then

you have all the streaming service coming out

with new animation. You know, you have the main

networks still coming out with stuff. I mean,

like the kids networks, not. Yeah, there are

some prime time comedies, too, but I haven't

watched too many of those. But. There's there's

just so much that even though I I like to collect

the show so that I so I have them and I'll like

check out an episode every now and then it's

not too often that I rewatch a show except for

when they run on tsunami because a lot of times

what airs on tsunami is something I've already

seen or If it's a Toonami original production,

then for the purpose of talking about it on a

podcast, I'll probably watch that episode once

or twice on top of the original airing, depending

on, you know, how much I needed to pay attention.

But yeah, when it comes to just rewatching stuff

to revisit it, like. Definitely do that with

episodes of Ninja Turtles. I've definitely rewatched

the first five many many times I think we all

have yeah, I mean that it's it's the peak It's

the peak But beyond that, you know If there's

a particular other character that I really liked

like I'll throw out the punk frogs episode cuz

I like the punk frogs and leatherhead The you

soggy yo Jimbo episodes You know those those

particular episodes i'll i'll go back uh There

was a point where I was like trying to rewatch

the 2003 ninja turtles, but that's a lot of episodes

So yeah, I didn't get too far into that um And

and likewise You know, I enjoyed watching the

2012 show as it was airing, but I don't have

much of a desire to rewatch it It's the darndest

thing. Yeah, it's one of those things where,

and again, this actually ties in. We were talking

about this off air, how I don't feel like we

should hold up cartoons to see if they're the

best and or worst from our childhood. I said

off air that most of these cartoons, whenever

they were made, they were made in the time that

they were made. Like, 87 Turtles was not made

to, almost 40 years later, say, oh, this really

holds up. And the funny thing about the 87 Turtles

is, this past Christmas, for myself, I grabbed,

finally, after all these years, I grabbed the

Turtle Van 23 disc DVD set for Turtles. You paid

way too much for that. Me probably a whole second

single bet. Tell me you didn't pay money for

this Yeah, I know I I listened to you talking

about the the status of the discs in the case

and let me tell you there is there is a worse

there is a worse situation if you didn't buy

the turtle bin if You buy the complete set that

they put in like Walmart now All the discs are

like stacked on each other not enough rings it

is horrendous the only reason I bought that set

is because this is the only way that you can

get that entire series digitally is if you buy

it at Walmart in person then you scan your receipts

on Voodoo on Voodoo and then you get all the

episodes to stream and that I don't I don't touch

that box that I just stream them because Yeah,

honestly, you're better off just buying the individual

sets. They all have pretty neat box art anyway.

Though you might say the Season 3 set as opposed

to the individual volumes or the Season 7 set

as opposed to the individual volumes. Gosh, I

actually got the individual volumes for Season

7 which came with turtle figures. That was stupid.

I mean it was neat at the time was celebrating

the I want to say the 25th anniversary Yeah,

yeah, you know, it's you know, it's fine But

so when I rewatch shows I tend to go for the

small commitments like some of the adult swim

shows like Harvey Birdman attorney -at -law rewatch

episodes of that Space Ghost Coast to Coast episodes

of that the Brecht show C lab 2021, you know

those early adult swim shows because they're

very short There's not that many episodes of

them, so it's not a big commitment. I'll just

throw those on. Futurama, I used to rewatch a

lot, but I don't do so much these days. There

was a time period where streaming wasn't really

going yet, and I didn't have a lot of TV access.

And in that period, I was watching my DVDs. And

that was when I was revisiting 80s turtles, 2003

turtles, various anime. But as far as big commitments

that I have rewatched goes, and this kind of

sounds ridiculous, there's a show called One

Piece. It is my favorite anime, my favorite show,

period. My favorite media, even more so than

Ninja Turtles, or at least their neck and neck.

And it, I kid you not, in Japan it's over a thousand

episodes. Over a thousand and the first I want

to say 200 to 300 of them. I have rewatched probably

five times Which is crazy. I know Wow Now obviously

I haven't rewatched all the episodes that many

times but like the first 203 episodes. Yeah,

I did it because I I watched it the first time

and Then I would like watch it with friends So

I would introduce it to other friends and I would

watch it and this this is the show that like

kicked Naruto to the curb for me because One

piece a show about pirates though They don't

really do much in the way of pirating and they

all have like superpowers and they're ridiculously

powerful and it's this ongoing epic About finding

this treasure that they never find as it takes

forever But the characters are so great the character

dynamics The world building is fantastic. Every

location that they go to is so well thought out

and interesting. And that's how it's managed

to go for over a thousand comic chapters and

over a thousand animated episodes. And that show

started in 1999 in Japan, and I think the comic

started in 97. And it's still going. Wow. Supposedly

it's reaching towards its ending, but it is massive.

And the fact that it is one of the few things

that I have rewatched a considerable amount of

episodes of. Other than that, I'll revisit Spectacular

Spider -Man because it's not a big commitment

and I love that show. It's still the best Spider

-Man, in my opinion. Not that anything good has

come since, but we'll get to that, I guess. Wait

a minute. Into the Spider -Verse, I'll say, is

fantastic, but that's a movie. Yes, that's a

movie. I'm talking about TV shows. Right, right.

You know, I know there was all of these since

Disney bought Marvel, there was all of these

Spider -Man shows, you know, recently within

the last five, six, seven, eight, nine, maybe

a 10 years span at this point. You know, but

I only caught them here and there. I didn't like

I've never got like it's better than what I can.

The one I can think of off the top of my head

was Ultimate Spider -Man. I believe that was

one of them. It lasted longer than any other

Marvel animated series, and that makes my stomach

turn. Even beat X -Men. Well, the one thing that

I, because I recently rewatched Spectacular,

because again, when we were talking off air,

folks, you won't hear this, but... I'm gonna

tell it to you now. We did, I don't remember

this, but we did do an episode on Spectacular

Spider -Man on Tooncast Beyond back in 2013,

2012, whatever the hell that was. I do not remember

a damn thing about it because I haven't been

able to find Spectacular Spider -Man until it

recently hit Netflix. And it hit Netflix, I'm

like, okay, I'm gonna watch this. I never had

an opinion of the show. I knew Josh Keaton was

in it. I knew Gwen was going to be in it and

MJ was going to be in it. And I knew Gwen was

kind of going to be the best friend kind of thing.

I will say as kind of a pseudo review, the only

major things with the normal people in the show

that I didn't like is in like Liz Allen at all.

She can take her PD and shove it up. I cannot

stand Liz Allen in that show. Wow. That's my

only, I guess you could say, hot take because

holy crap, hot takes are a thing now, apparently.

Opinions are opinions, folks. They're like assholes.

Everybody's got an opinion. It doesn't have to

be a hot take. Oh my God. I actually thought

her relationship with Peter was... Not bad. It's,

okay, her relationship with him is not bad, and

I don't have a problem with that part of it.

It's just, but Petey, oh, Petey, like, oh, no,

stop. Kind of annoying, yeah. I'll give you that.

Yeah. It's just that one thing, her calling him

Petey. Petey. Yeah, that's the only thing. They

can have a relationship. They can date. They

can do whatever, even though we all know he wants

to be with Glenn. Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

I will say again, before I move on to the next

question for you here, is that one of the things

I missed out initially when we did, again, no

memory whatsoever. rewatching it again and I

actually cut the audio out so I'll probably put

it in here somewhere Josh Keaton is a voice so

like everyone's like oh my god Frank Welker the

man of a thousand voices and this is just a simple

simple simple thing that Josh did in the epithodes

when he was doing this So the reason why I'm

talking like this is I think you know why I burnt

my tongue. I burnt my tongue. I burnt my tongue.

Oh, I never saw that. I don't remember seeing

that originally X number, like a decade ago.

I don't remember it. And then I'm watching it

on Netflix. I'm like, oh my God, this is the

single greatest piece of voice acting. Like literally.

I love that. I love, I just, God. I almost want,

because I do want to get Josh back on to talk

because Josh has had a huge career before and

since we interviewed him the first time, but

I want to have him back on because not only do

I want to ask him about Skinny Steve and all

of that with the what -ifs and the what -evers,

but I almost wanted to do the whole interview.

Yeah, it was I just he has a hard time whipping

when he can't fuck That's right. You can't quit

when they can't talk. But yeah, no, absolutely

and I am only doing that voice folks because

of the burnt tongue aspect because what happened

was MJ kind of like looked at him and like, well,

I can't really hang out unless I have hangout

eyes. She made these like googly eyes at him.

And so he went off to get the hot chocolate.

He got hot chocolate spilled. Somebody bumped

into him and the hot chocolate spilled all over

him, burnt his tongue. I am not sitting here

talking like this because I'm trying to make

fun of Daffy Duck or anybody like that. You are

despicable. Yeah, exactly. I know. I'm the worst

podcaster ever. Anyway. Fuck run fucking fast.

Yeah, yeah. Wait, that's a completely different

speech impediment. You're right. This is the

last time I work with a duck with a speech impediment.

I can't do Donald. You'll find most ducks do

have speech impediments. Yep. And others just

have egos. Donald. I was going to say, if you

enjoy Josh Keaton acting like he's burnt his

tongue, in one piece there's a swordsman named

Zorro, and he often has his sword in his mouth,

like he uses three swords. He'll be serving like

this. Props to both the Japanese and English

actors for and all the other international actors

who play Roronoro Zoro. But Chris Sabat definitely

does a good job as Zoro doing that. So you've

kind of already talked about this, but questions

eight and nine kind of are flip sides of the

same coin. Eight is, which cartoons that aired

when you were an adult have you liked the most?

Okay, some more recent stuff. I think Bob's Burgers

is very entertaining. I liked Rick and Morty,

at least initially. I don't know how I feel about

it these days. It's getting kind of up its own

hoo -ha, so I don't know. It's not quite the...

The level that I appreciate something like the

venture brothers, which is an extremely clever

show and very entertaining which it just started

as kind of a parody of Johnny Quest and adventure

cartoons and it just Became this huge sprawling

narrative with great characters and it's it's

so much more than the sum of its parts And unfortunately,

it's pretty much canceled, though there is supposed

to be like one last movie. Right. As far as youth

cartoons go, in the early 2010s, I really liked

Young Justice. I really liked the... I really

liked Symbionic Titan from the creator of Samurai

Jack, Genndy Tartokowski. And... Also Dexter's

lab. And also in the comedy department, regular

show was my jam. I appreciated regular show on

the level that a young adult should. That it's

two slacker buddies piling around, getting into

trouble. Various parts about the show, particularly

the relationship drama is kind of not great.

But I definitely enjoyed the ride at the time

and it it lasted like over 200 episodes granted

They were 11 minutes for the most part but to

come up with that many ideas is crazy and the

creator of that show JG Quintel who worked on

other shows including the Marvelous world of

flapjack, which is a very weird cartoon He went

on to do close enough which was originally going

to be a TBS show but it got moved to HBO Max

and it lasted three seasons but they just cancelled

it and it's heartbreaking for me because I love

it because in a lot of ways it it's not quite

regular show but it's close enough but uh yeah

truthfully it's like if regular show didn't have

the constraints that a children's network put

on it Not that they didn't get away with a lot,

because they definitely did. But I really enjoyed

that. And in the... Man, I feel like I've been

an adult for a long time. So like the late 2000s,

that's when Spectacular Spider -Man aired. Love

that. And the other... I liked Wolverine and

the X -Men pretty well. I would have liked to

see more of it. But it's you know, it was okay,

but the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is

so good Absolutely fantastic. The only thing

that kills me about that show is when they switched

hands kind of late in the second season and it

kind of got messy and Also, they recast Josh

Keaton last minute and I hate them forever for

it Wait, wait, wait. Who was he in Avengers?

He was going to be Spider -Man. And then they

had Drake Bell dub over it. That's when Drake

started. Released the Keaton cut. I need it in

my life. Yeah, I was very disappointed in that.

They kind of make fun of it, honestly, because

there's this one part where it's like, what's

wrong with your voice? Think that was actually

the original line. So I don't know if they were

necessarily making fun of The particular voice,

but I just I hated that because that was sort

of the proof that spectacular spider -man was

in the same universe But and they all they also

were gonna have Darren Norris voice J Jonah Jameson

and kind of the evidence of that is he is listed

as some other character like Like just an additional

voice, but they of course had JK Simmons Rerecord

for Jameson because he was the he was the Jameson

voice and of course he's fantastic so I ain't

complaining about that, but man replacing Josh

Keaton Hurts yeah Especially because trying to

make that at all in continuity with ultimate

spider -man was pointless because they just cancelled

Avengers anyway, you know, yeah, so I Leaves

a real bad taste in my mouth. Yeah a lot of the

old A lot of the older Cartoons that we initially

covered on tooncast beyond I The only thing I

remember about Earth's Mightiest Heroes is that

those first ten episodes Are nothing Like what

the shit like they're the they're the vignettes

They're the you know, they're the mini movies

kind of thing and it threw me off and I didn't

like it I'm so fine because it was okay to the

characters Whatever it is What I'm saying is

those initial things about that show Basically

turned me off to that show and I've never gone

back. But now that we live in the streaming world,

I can, you know, hop on Disney plus or wherever

it's. It's streaming. Like I wasn't even sure

if regular show was streaming somewhere. And

then you mentioned HBO Max and I just looked

and I'm like, Oh, okay. I don't know how much

of regular show I'll be able to get through if

I want to even watch it. But at least I now know

that. there's an option to for me to go to to

watch it. So the flip side of this coin is that

are there any cartoons you hate or have been

greatly disappointed by? I want to say let's

start with greatly disappointed going with something

that's I initially very much liked and that is

I don't like the direction that Young Justice

has gone in since it was revived for HBO. Well,

actually was revived for DC Universe and then

continued on HBO Max. It's just not what I want

the story to do. They're not delivering on storylines

that were initiated in 2010. And I just. Want

them to do that. I know Greg likes to play the

long game, but I'm getting annoyed at this point.

And they constantly change focus to a different

group of characters. And like, what made the

first season so great is the cast that was so

great. And even in the second season, they're

like, well, now you have these new characters.

Like, but I want the old characters. And then

they kind of rectified that in the newer seasons,

but not really. They're just kind of just dipping

their toes in there, but there's still major

story things like, what is the story anymore?

I don't know. It's very convoluted. I tried to

explain it to somebody who hadn't seen Young

Justice before. I was like, you know what? I

give up. I can't. I can't do it. I can't do it.

So what you're saying is Young Justice has whelmed

itself out because it's not under or overwhelming,

it's just whelmed. Yeah, it's pretty whelmed.

Even at this level, it's still a good show, though

the production values definitely took a hit.

Overall, it's still a good show. It's just not

a great show anymore in my opinion and that that

pains me because it was such a great show like

there are I'll get into that later. So another

show And I was never the biggest fan of Avatar

the last airbender, but you know, I I watched

it. I enjoyed it The legend of Korra comes along

and I felt like the first season was really strong

But by the end of the fourth season, I was kind

of like, I don't know how much I like this show.

It's kind of lost me somewhere in there. I wouldn't

go so far as to say that's disappointing because

I wasn't really having high expectations, but

maybe, maybe a bit disappointing, yeah. I could

be here all day talking about anime that looked

promising in the first couple of episodes that

just absolutely Pitter out or crap the bed There

was it there was a show on tsunami called finna

pirate princess, which I like pirate shows and

It was a beautiful show the first several episodes

were very interesting fun characters they get

to the ending and I'm like That was terrible

You took you took like a a nine out of ten show

and brought it down to a six Hurts it hurts,

man It's so weird. Really, it is so weird to

see not just cartoons, but any long form visual

media. Movies don't count because movies are

fine. Even if you have a 23 or 24 or 27 film

universe, whatever it is, that doesn't count

because those movies are only ever like two to

seven hours each. You take cartoons, you take

live action television shows that go on for five,

six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 12, 13, however

many seasons you want to say. And at some point,

and this is what depresses me about it is because

at some point, to your point, by season four

or by this season, you're like, eh. I just don't,

it's taken a turn. It's kind of like, this is

a path that you're on that I can't follow. It's

like that line, like, okay, that's the path you

choose. That's fine. That's great. I'm sorry.

I cannot follow your path. You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know. At this point, I'm thankful

that the DCAU ended when it did. Yeah, it ended

before it got bad. Yeah. Have you read the comics?

Oh, and to that point, I mean, every now and

then there's like a sort of incontinuity movie

that comes out. I thought the Justice League

versus the Fatal Five was... That was okay. But

that... that that batman harley quinn movie i

don't you'll have to remind because i i don't

want to try to look it up you'll have to remind

me who is the voice of dick gracing in that uh

oh god i don't remember but anyway was it neil

patrick harris i it was it was either neil patrick

harris or they or it was it was I know it was

not Lauren. I know. I don't think it was Lauren.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, OK. It was maybe it was.

No, no. United. No, I think it was. No, it won't.

Oh, God, it was because I know I remember this

now. This is the only thing I remember about

this film. So because they wanted to, I guess,

tie it into DCIU. Kevin returns as Batman, Lauren

returns as Nightwing. It was Lauren, oh gosh.

Yeah, it was. And the only reason why I remember

this is because of this line that I will place

right here, even though I'm going to probably

edit the next thing I say out. So just for your

edit, just for your own edification, stop laughing

so I can have an edit point, please. Just for

your own edification, what he said was. The things

I can't do for Gotham or the things that I do

for Gotham. He said one of those lines. Like

one of the like, I think it was, you know, I

do for Gotham. Yes. Yes. And obviously people

would have just heard it just now, but yeah,

that's the only thing I remember from that film

is him saying that line. So now I got to talk

about some cartoons that I flat out didn't like.

Okay, and that that is long list and Not not

really I mean I Really liked Dragon Ball, but

I hate Dragon Ball GT as most Dragon Ball fans

should and I really likes Naruto, but when it

got to its season the Naruto Shippuden series

which ran 500 episodes on its own Yeah, that

lost me at some point and I got to the point

where I no longer liked it and started disliking

it. But beyond that, in the late 2000s, Cartoon

Network was playing the crap out of Johnny Test

and I couldn't stand it. So I don't believe that

I was actually on that Johnny Test episode, but

maybe I was and suffered through it. I am pretty

damn sure you were on the Johnny test episode

because I don't generally do this. Usually I

have a bevy of co -hosts that I can just message

privately and say, Hey, would you like to be

on this podcast? And I think Johnny test was

one of those episodes where I'm like, Okay. Public

announcement time. Anybody want to be on the

Johnny test episode? And I think you were the

one that raised your, yup. I still need to fix

the audio file, but Andrew sketch 1984 Hinks

and, uh, you know, maybe I wanted to tear it

a new one. April 8th, 2015. And you know what?

Johnny test is. Okay, so he's what? 9, 10, 11,

12. He's somewhere before he's a teenager, right?

He's an obnoxious kid, that's what he is. Okay,

fine, but my point is, is that... The dog was

cool. Yes, Dookie is cool. My point is, is that

he's not Dexter age, or he's not Rugrats age,

or he's not, you know what I mean? Like, he's

supposed to be that... Ten eleven twelve year

old boy like we were is all grown up age. Oh

God stop it. Yeah, that's not bad enough But

my point is is that Johnny is? Supposed to be

that kid that's somewhere between 10 and 13 where

He just wants to be a kid. He wants those simple

summer pleasures He has his best friend dog that

can talk him into anything and then he has these

evil twisted twin sisters that make him do all

this stuff and Yeah, but there's way better characters

in that rough age range that are far more tolerable

like Maximilian goof never had a problem with

him or PJ but I will say that the Huey, Dewey,

and Louie in Quack Pack are kind of bad. Did

the voice actors change between DuckTales and

Quack Pack? Yes, because they're not all Roosie

Taylor. They were like EG Daily and I forget

who else. Yeah. So yeah, I, you know, you're

right. I mean, I still like Johnny though, because

I like what he represents and what that show

represents. And besides it's friggin Ian James

Corlett as the dad. Anytime Ian does anything,

I absolutely love it because it's just, he's,

he's a great, great voice actor. Alright any

other ones you want to mention that you particularly

hate I? Wouldn't say hate but I There was definitely

a time where like Johnny test Cartoon Network

was over playing a particular show and it was

scooby -doo and I Like I find scooby -doo fine

in small doses, and I really liked mystery ink

but They just played it way too much and I did

I was tired of seeing Scooby -Doo and then they

started playing it on kids WB and there's even

more Scooby -Doo so I never hated Scooby -Doo,

but I definitely grew to dislike its presence

and Yeah, when it comes to cartoons that I just

wish did not exist pretty much every Marvel cartoon

since Ultimate Spider -Man Except, uh, what if.

Except what if, yeah. Because, they're just so

not good. The Guardians of the Galaski Show was

okay, but the Avengers assemble was not good.

It's kind of gotten better as they shuffled the

lineup, but it's too beholden to the MCU, but

in weird ways. But it still tries to do its own

thing, but like I just think they look terrible

all of them Especially that Hulk show my gosh

the Hulk show had bad production value Hulk and

the agents of smash yeah that that one was at

least kind of entertaining Didn't last very long,

but no it did ultimate spider -man was super

obnoxious The Avengers show the Avengers were

acting like children fighting over cookies And

I was like, nope, I'm done. I mean, if I wanted

to watch that, I'd watch Super Hero Squad Show,

which is amazing. Yes, that is a good show. Yes,

that is a good show. The late 2000s period of

Marvel cartoons were great. The Super Hero Squad

Show, Wolverine and the X -Men, Avengers Earth's

Mightiest Heroes, and Spectacular Spider -Man,

all good shows. Well worth watching. Pretty much

everything ever since Disney bought Marvel has

been mediocre at best and it pains me Because

I like the MCU for the most part though in more

recent times I've been kind of disappointed by

multiple things on that front But I won't get

into that because it's not about yeah, that's

a yeah That's that's a discussion for a different

podcast that we can have at a later date. Thankfully.

What if was good? And I absolutely I want to

see the spider -man freshman year gosh, I hope

it's the first good spider -man since spectacular

Yeah, like I've given them all chances and I

just know No, they're not good Yeah, I yeah,

that's a the whole MC We will have an MCU episode

at some point on geek cast radio because I eventually

want to do something on geek cast radio or on

our other show studio 2009 Where we sit and review

the films But we review them in Chronological

order So you start with first Avenger you go

to captain, you know, you know what I mean, like

timeline order That's the way I want to that's

the way I want to do it now. Yeah, you can do

that now Yeah, exactly cuz all 23 24 25, but

what I'm gonna say here is is that after endgame

Other than what if and some other things this

phase four stuff, man, I don't know like I'm

not a horror person So I probably won't end up

watching Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of

Madness. However, I will more than willingly

read the Wikipedia article to see what I'm missing.

It's kind of like that thing where... It's not

really a horror movie. Okay, but I'm saying there

are horror elements in it because hello, it's

a Sam Raimi film. Anyway, you know, whatever.

But the point is, is that... Some of the stuff

is like, it's like that old saying when you're

at an office job or something and the boss calls

a meeting. This meeting could have been an email.

This meeting could have been a phone call. Some

of these phase four things could have been something

else. I'm not saying that about Dr. Strange.

I'm saying that about stuff like Eternals and

whatever else. Eternals probably should have

been a series so they could actually flesh out

the characters. Yeah, you think? But most of

the series, I feel like, should have just been

a movie. Yeah. And they usually go on too long,

like the middle is the worst part. Sometimes

the ending is okay. Yeah, sometimes But sometimes

I digress, but I just remembered something else

that I wanted another axe to grind Because I

was very very deep in my loyalty to Ninja Turtles.

So basically any Ninja Turtles knockoff not for

me except I made an exception for Mighty Ducks

Probably because they were ducks Yes, you can't

no I refuse to let you I got a duck bias it's

not Okay That animated series is completely separate

even though it's in line with the overall franchise

Yeah, it's its own thing. It's it but it's its

own like it's not like they put Charlie as as

no head You know, it's not like they put, not,

not flim flam, um, uh, Goldberg, uh, you know,

so it's its own thing. It's, it's, it's whatever.

And I always thought that was a good series.

I like it. Yeah. Okay. Good. Then, then you have

no extra ground. That is, that is the only one

that I accept. Like it's just my duck bias, I

guess, because I mean, I have, I don't hate.

Bikermice from Mars, or Street Sharks, or Extreme

Dinosaurs, or what have you. But I definitely

don't care about them. They're not for me. And

anytime they take swipes at Ninja Turtles, I'm

like, yeah, yeah, try to make fun of the better

show. Go ahead. Go ahead. Everybody knows pizzas

better than burgers, Street Sharks. Everybody

knows. Though I do enjoy a burger. You know,

in the last, okay, wait, Street Sharks. When

did Street Sharks come out? I wanna say 93. Okay.

Maybe 92. Okay, so let's just say the last 30

years. No, it must have been after X -Men, so

like 94? Okay, it's still close to being 30 years

old. The point is, is that 30 years ago... I

don't remember a lot of like, Hey, here's your

bacon cheeseburger pizza or whatever. Like literally

I just added to one of my Meyer carts, the Jack's

cheeseburger pizza. Like we've combined them

now. I'm not saying you should always do that,

but you can combine them. You don't have to fight.

You can combine them. Exactly. Just leave the

lettuce and tomato and onions away from that

stuff. Anyway. All right. Growing up, did you

and your friends ever pretend to be the cartoon

characters you saw on TV at say school recess

or something like that? So basically, you know,

you and your buddy insert name here is like,

you're like, I'm going to be Raphael from 87

and he's going to be Bebop and you're gonna kick

his butt or anything like that. Yeah, we definitely

did Ninja Turtles Not cartoons, but we also definitely

did Power Rangers I was big into Power Rangers

in the 90s But yeah, definitely Ninja Turtles

I Don't think I ever played Darkwing Duck, but

I did have a Darkwing Duck costume for Halloween

one year Hmm and I and I had the gas gun toy

Dope yes that gas gun was amazing Gotta make

sure it has an orange cap on it though. Mm -hmm

All right It's true. It's choosing time Who is

your end all be all favorite character from any

cartoon? You can pick a hero character and a

villain character All right, well I don't like

to pick just one of the Ninja Turtles. So I won't.

My favorite protagonist is Monkey D. Luffy from

One Piece. He is a goofball, also occasionally

a badass. He's not particularly heroic, like

he doesn't consider himself a hero, he is a pirate.

But if you need somebody to... kick somebody's

ass, he's a good choice. Also, he's just a big

goofball and he'll steal all the food and yeah,

he'd probably be pretty annoying, but I just

like him. I like him a lot. All right. Villain,

villain, villain, villain, villain. Oh man. Hmm

I am Not sure I'm not sure I mean there's been

so many versions of the shredder but You got

to go with James Avery shredder Yeah bouncing

off of Pat Fraley's Crang They were just the

best bad guy duo I Love I love those guys So,

yeah, probably them. Alright. What are some other

cartoon characters you like? Are there any you

hate? Yeah, I like all the turtles for various

reasons. You know, I feel like they're all kind

of a part of me. I like... All the primary characters

in one piece it's a whole crew There's the swordsman

Zoro the sharpshooter Usopp who also comes up

with inventions There's the navigator Nami and

the Archaeologist Robin sees a fairly stoic and

the really ridiculous cyborg guy Frankie He's

a lot of fun and a skeleton that plays the violin

Yes, the violin with an afro. He has an afro

and Chopper their Reindeer man companion that

is usually very small size, but can actually

become quite big Other characters that I generally

like hmm, there's a lot of characters that I

like Yeah hard to hard to say I like I like coupe

and Jamie and Kiva from Megas XLR this this gearhead

wrestling fan who soups up a giant robot from

the future and his slacker buddy who's voiced

by Steve Bloom and the straight man of the group

is a woman from the future named Kiva and she

just kind of tolerates them. So I think they're

a fun dynamic. I think Samurai Jack is a great

character. No text, not technically his name,

I suppose, but the samurai. Yes, so many good

characters out there. I do like Bebop and Rocksteady.

They are fun. And I do like April, of course,

like April and Casey, the various versions of

Casey Jones, the more unhinged and the less unhinged.

They're fun. Yeah, so I mentioned earlier that

I got the 23 disc Turtle Van set because mainly

really honestly at this point after having it

like the only reason why anyone would buy that

set even when it was at MSRP or after it was

at MSRP and it was that ungodly amount of money

you buy it for the turtle van so you can display

your other action figures with the turtle you

know with a decent you know turtle van but you

don't buy it for the DVD storage man that's a

whole other discussion for another day Where

was I going with this? I've lost my chair, but

oh So as I'm as I'm watching through this I'm

up to like disc six of the 23 and I'm it's like

corporate Raiders of Dimension X Yeah, something

like that close close to that But I see Casey

and I'm like, so here's the thing All as I ever

remember from Turtles as a kid cuz Turtles hit

when I was seven so it was one of those things

where Oh my God, I need the toys. We went out

and got all the toys for like five bucks each

and whatever. And, you know, oh my God, but all

is I ever remember is all of the VHS releases.

I do not remember watching turtles on television

until somewhere around 94 or 95. And by then

it was whatever it was ended up being kind of

thing. So as I'm watching through this show.

You're right. First five episodes? Amazing. Just,

you know, it's the best animation, it's the best

this, it's the best that. But some of these other

epi - like, I don't remember some of these plots.

I don't remember some of these plots. I don't

- I didn't realize, like, in the middle of season

two is when they started going into outer space

and going into other plan. Like - I don't remember

all that. I remember Irma, the 50 -foot woman

in New York City, or I remember Attack of the

Killer Pizzas, or that kind of stuff. And I remember

Leatherhead's debut. I remember the Leatherhead

episodes. I remember the Frogs episode, because

those were big deals. But the rest of this so

far, I'm like, what the hell am I watching? And

then, what makes me so upset, And I don't know

what was going on at the time and there's nothing

I can do to change it, but Some of the voice

acting changes In some of these at like That's

not how you're supposed to sound Leonardo That's

like Cam Clark must have been sick that day and

they must have put some weird other person in

there You must be thinking of a different turtle

because Leo has always been Cam Clark, but Don

and Ralph Definitely had substitutes Okay, well

Mike and Leo didn't Okay, and that's fine I'm

just saying Shredder did like for one or two

times and I know the substitute and I'm okay

with it It's still always gonna be James Avery,

but I believe if my ears are remembering this

right it was Dorian Harewood Yeah, I think he

did do that Yeah, because they also had Jim Cummings

and believe it or not, Townsend Coleman at least

once. Wow. So as I'm watching one of these episodes,

I'm like, wait a minute. What's 94 Iron Man?

What's War Machine? Because Dorian Harewood was

the voice of Jim Rhodes in the 94 Iron Man cartoon.

I'm like, wait a minute. What's frigging War

Machine doing as the voice of Shredder? What's

going on here? This is strange. I don't know.

So I'm still making my way through the DVDs.

Didn't James Avery take over for War Machine?

I'd have to research that. We can do that off

air. I honestly don't remember. I think he did,

so that would be kind of amusing. I think he

did. Yeah, you're right. That would be very amusing.

Speaking of voices... Who are some of your favorite

cartoon voices and or voice actors? Oh, yes Well,

I mean you got to give it up to Mel blank the

legend all of his characters truly wonderful

Oh Gosh, how do I pronounce his name? Do you

know how to pronounce the name of Donald Duck's

voice actor Tony? Oh I feel bad I met him once,

which was really great. Yeah, I think like nobody

else can do the voice like him. So Bill Farmer,

absolutely fantastic, is goofy. Jim Cummings.

Love Jim Cummings and especially since, you know,

the old Disney cartoons and being Darkwing Duck

himself. Also, Winnie the Pooh and so, so many

other characters. Rob Paulson, of course. I love

hearing Rob Paulson in all the things. Townsend

Coleman More more recently. I love Josh Keaton.

I'm always happy to hear Josh Keaton and more

things and Jason Spisak. I Love hearing Jason

Spisak he was Kit Flash and Young Justice and

razor in the Green Lantern and before that he

did some anime Which it was like hey good moving

on up in the world speaking of anime Steve Bloom

Love Steve bloom of course I have to love Steve

bloom For multitude of roles. I mean he's greatest

spiky cowboy bebop Jamie and Megas XLR So many

other characters, but as Tom on tsunami Opposite

of Sarah those those are also a couple of my

favorite characters, which is kind of a weird

thing to say but I Love Tom Sarah The thing about

the Tsunami era, the early parts of the Tsunami

era, or at least the Steve... I was doing...

Because I was looking into... Oh, because I know

what it was. Funko put out a pop of Tom. Yeah,

I got that. But it's not Steve Bloom Tom. No,

it's Sonny Strafe. Yeah, it's original 1 .0 Tom.

It's not Tom 2 .0. Yeah, and I'm like, okay Funko

When are you gonna put the Steve Blum? Yeah,

I'm out because it's not yeah, when's that happening?

So because of me getting that pot of that Funko

pop I Immediately went to YouTube searched if

Steve Blum tsunami Tom watched all the thing

about Tsunami Tom and Sarah and all of that and

the ship and all of that. It's the anime version

of USA Cartoon Express. It is. It's that thing

of having some sort of somebody be the narrator,

be the... You're trying to create a new cartoon

block. You're trying to create the Tsunami cartoon

block, whether it's... reruns of old cartoons

that are action cartoons like Justice League,

Justice League Unlimited, Batman the Animated

Series, Batman Beyond, whatever, or you're trying

to create it for the other side, which is all

of the anime shows, like One Piece, like Pokemon,

like this, like that, whatever else. So you have

to have somebody be the, he's, Steve Bloom, whether

you're listening to this or not, this is an ultimate

compliment because sadly this person is no longer

here. Steve Bloom, Tom is essentially Bob Saget

on America's funniest home videos. That's what

he is. And it's amazing and it's awesome. And

it's really, really cool. I'm sure you'd be honored

to hear it. Funko get on that Tom 2 .0 pop. Damn

it. I bought three of them. What more do you

want from me? Okay. One was a gift. One, one

was a gift to my friend, Jeff Harris, who's a

long time to know me historian. There you go

creator of the X bridge website, which is defunct

now But the X bridge website a wealth of information

on tsunami's earlier years Yeah, very cool. I

also got him the complete thundercats DVD set

because he's big into thundercats Very cool.

Very cool. Yeah, but there's so many more actors.

So sunny straight was the first voice of Tom.

He was also Krillin in Dragon Ball Z, the bald

guy, the little bald guy. He's Usopp in one piece,

the sharpshooter inventor guy. And he is just

so many other anime characters. But one of his

best roles is as this squid creature that used

to be human in that's kind of a spoiler. A squid

creature. with tentacles is this big yellow squid

creature that's trying to teach this class of

underperforming students in this prestigious

academy that really values their grades and he's

trying to, you know, give them their life lessons

and get their book smarts up and he just plays

this character with so many different emotions

and he's absolutely hilarious and Also delivers

on the drama when when the drama comes So sunny

sunny straight is fantastic. He's got his own

rig He teaches classes now Yeah, yeah and Another

one piece character Luffy's voice is a woman.

It's calling clinking beard who also was a Risa

Hawkeye on full mental alchemist and Urza on

fairy tale and many, many other characters, but

she is sensational, whether she's playing a young

boy, teen boy, or a woman of any age. She's very

talented, and I can't give her enough props.

And also Kari Wahlgren, who was Haruko on FLCL.

was like her first anime role. In more recent

years, she's done a lot of western animation.

She's on Rick and Morty. She's in the most recent

season of Young Justice. She was on kind of a

lot of action shows in the later 2000s. So she's

great. Very cool. And just to swing it back around

to Mr. Duck. I looked it up. It is Tony Anselmo.

Anselmo. So it's A -N -S -E -L -M -O is how his

last name is spelled. So the way I assume, it's

Tony Anselmo. Now, I don't, is this, I didn't

look further. Is he still with us? Yeah. I know.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. But who isn't is Joe Askley,

one of the great voices of Daffy Duck. Yeah,

because I love the Duck Dodgers show. Duck Dodgers.

And Bob Bergen, of course Bob Bergen, Porky Pig,

and Billy West. I love me some Billy West. I

love Futurama. And Billy West is everybody in

Futurama. Yeah, Billy West. And Maurice LaMars.

I was very happy to meet Maurice LaMars and Rob

Paulson one year. It was the darndest thing.

I was at a local convention. I want to say, oh

man, it was probably like 10 years ago at this

point. Rob was there with Jess Harnell and Tara

Strong and Maurice LaMarche and And Kevin Conroy

Who obviously had the largest line also Tara

because it was right around the time of My Little

Pony Friendship is Magic So they they had the

big lines and then like Jess and Maurice and

Rob the lines in comparison I was like, oh man

Yeah, but I got to spend some good time with

them. That was that was nice. I bumped into Rob

Before his signing like he was just walking around

like nobody knows who that guy is But I do He's

one of my heroes Yeah, I'll see if that was me

walking around and I saw him I Would just go

up to him I would wave at him I would then get

a little bit more into his space and I would

basically just whisper to him, Mr. Paulson, I

think I'm the only one here who knows who you

are. I might have said something to that effect.

I need to get Rob back on. It's such a treat.

We've talked to him twice here on Tooncast, and

I've only ever talked to Mr. LaMarche once, and

- Oh, he is such a delight. No, he is. Absolutely,

he is. I usually, and this is why, and I tell

this story all the time, but Maurice LaMarche,

I thought was going to be the - I thought he

was going to end the Geekcast Radio Network and

Tooncast because usually when I do interviews,

I don't really like, I, I prep them by saying,

Hey, I'm going to ask you this question, this

question, you know, these types of questions,

whatever. And I will tell them usually if you

want to curse, fine. If not fine, it doesn't

matter. We still tag it explicit anyway, because

of in you and do's or don'ts. And that was it.

And one of the questions we usually ask voice

actors is, what type of voice acting do you prefer

the most? Animation, or what type of acting?

Voice acting for animation, video games, or live

action acting, or whatever else. And he went

on to tell the story about how he just finished

up a voice session for Batman Arkham City. And

I was like, oh, can you tell us who you're playing?

Didn't even know at that point, I don't think

he goes, yeah, I'm, I'm playing the voice of

Mr. Freeze. And I was like, Oh, that's so cool.

Can you give us a sample of the voice? And he

was like, no, sadly not due to NDA. And I'm like,

Oh, okay. I edited that interview so fast and

got it online so fast. Some no name website picked

it up. I don't even know what website it was.

And I, I had already, I had edited it, released

it. and went out with my mom to do errands. So

I, and this is, you know, 2010, 2011, whenever

that, yeah, it was 2011 is when, when Arkham

City came out, somewhere around there. Anyway,

it was about a decade ago or so. So, you know,

back then, Didn't really have a full on like

I don't even remember if I had an iPhone or not

or whatever So basically I it's not like an hour.

I have my Google Pixel 6 Pro and I'm connected

to everything Like, you know, it isn't like oh

you have location services on no not at the moment

You know, it's not like that. It wasn't like

that back then so I Come back home and I see

all these messages from Steve Megatron and about

Maurice LaMarche and about the interview and

this that the other thing And I never asked him

at the end if there was anything he wanted us

to edit out. And I do this every time now on

interviews. I will ask them at the end, is there

anything that you've said in the last X number

of minutes or whatever that you do not want in

the final product? Because this thing blew up

this no name website grabbed it and then IGN

grabbed it because it's a video game and supposedly

IGN is about video games sort of I guess. They

grabbed it it blew up and I'm sitting here thinking

oh my god Maurice LaMarche is gonna fly from

California to Kentucky and he's going to murder

me. And I'm like frantically emailing his agent,

calling his agent, trying to get a hold of him

on Twitter or Facebook or whatever. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. He goes, yeah, there's nothing

you can do about it now. It's out there. Oh my

God. And we've, I've never talked to him since

I've, I've maybe commented on his posts, but

like, I haven't had another interview with him

since then, but that was like our biggest, like,

Oh my God, we've done something that might put.

GCR and on the map kind of thing. I love the

guy to death. I would love to talk to him again.

I would love to have a conversation with him.

I know he's such a sweet, sweet man. They both,

him and Rob both. And every voice actor that

I know that, you know, all of them are just so,

so nice. And they're just, you know, people.

I mean, I think the second interview with Tara

strong that we did, she was in the friggin, uh,

hair salon, getting her hair done. As we were

doing the interview so, you know, they're just

they are regular people even though they're famous

and whatever else But yeah, no, it's it's yeah.

It's just one of those things. Yeah Did you ever

own anything based on a cartoon? So obviously

toys comics coloring books video games, etc why

yes, certainly I had a decent collection of Ninja

Turtles toys, but I Probably a finer accomplishment

was, I think I got all of the Darkwing Duck toys

that Playmates put out. I had the Ratcatcher,

I had the plane, I had the gas gun, and I had

all the individual figures, so I think I got

them all. Okay, Thunder Quack I get. The name

of the plane, I understand that. Why is the motorcycle

called the Rat Catcher? Because he's catching

rats. I guess. I don't ever remember seeing him

catch rats with it. Megavolt? Okay. Oh, well.

I don't think he named it specifically for Megavolt.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Thunder

Quack's a way cooler name. Yeah, anyway. Yeah,

absolutely. Well, the Rat Catcher does have a

nice ring to it. Mean it does if you're you know

trying to catch Remy and kick him out of the

restaurant business No No, I tell you man. I

got a thing about rats Yeah, but when I saw her

when I saw ratatouille and you get that scene

with all the rats in the kitchen Like no too

many rats at the kitchen too many rats in the

kitchen We're all we're all Indiana Jones. Yeah,

I didn't have to be rats I mean, I'm Year of

the Rat, 1984, Year of the Rat. So I also consider

it Year of the Turtle, because that is the year

that Ninja Turtles came into being. Yes. Yes.

I guess, technically, I would be Year of the

Empire, because 1980 was strikes back. But anyway.

What is your favorite cartoon theme song? You

can only pick one. They're the world's most fearsome

fighting teens. I I do like the 2012 version

but that original song by Chuck Lor and the other

guy Yeah, it is it slaps forever. It is just

so good. It is so good the only Contender is

Maybe the Darkwing Duck theme song. Oh, absolutely.

I mean quite good I mean you you can't even put

them in the ring together because they are both

so good in their own, right? And on a different

theme is so fun. I mean, why you got to put baloney

in your slacks and why you got Bill Clinton playing

the sax? Like, I get it, but come on. Well, don't

worry, the new version. Well, the new version

does have baloney in their slacks, but. Yeah,

I know. The original version I'm okay with, but

I'm just saying that because of just what it

is. It was some creative rhyming, I will say.

Yeah, and the new version... You know how, and

I've been using this a lot, but if you go...

on any, anyone's like, if, like, if I make a

post right now that I'm recording with you and

you go on Facebook, if you're on Facebook and

you, you go to the GIF section, you search transformers,

ha ha one word space. No, the first thing that

pops up is Devastator shooting a beam out of

his eyes. Ha ha no. And that's how I feel about

the. Modern Animaniacs theme song. I'm sorry.

That's just the way it's just not. All right.

All right. So some other fair contenders. The

Spectacular Spider -Man song is really good.

I mean, there's a lot of good Spider -Man songs

and it might be the best. It's at least the one,

well, it's maybe not the one with the most lyrics.

I think the 60s one might have the most lyrics.

But yeah, I think that one's really great. And

I mean, it just crawls into one's head all the

time. But the DuckTales theme, can you believe

that some version of that song was not going

to include the woohoo? That would have been the

biggest mistake in the history of theme songs.

History of theme songs and history of animation,

because if you don't include that, what's the

point? Yeah, that's the whole hook. I mean, it's

a fine song otherwise, but that's the whole hook,

man. I mean, that's like if you go back and you

re -edit the Goof Troop theme. And you take out

the, yeah. No, the yeah at the end. Yeah, you

take that out and it's like, what's the point?

Like, don't do that. Don't take out that awesome

ending. To the groove, true. Yeah. Yeah. How

big is your animation DVD or digital collection?

Are there any series that you own the entire

set of? I have a lot of animated series on DVD

and Blu -ray, especially if we count Japanese

ones. But American cartoons, I have a lot of

American cartoons. I have every Ninja Turtles

series on DVD. I have the 80s series. I collected

those when they were coming out. I have the 2003

series. I was collecting those when they came

out. I have the 2012 series. I collected those

when they came out. And I have the two discs

of Rise of the TMNT. And digitally, I have the

first three seasons of 2003, and I have all the

episodes of the other ones. And it annoys me

very much that the other seasons of 2003 are

not buyable digitally. Give me a DVD box set

for... Come on, Viacom. You're leaving money

at the table. I mean, it's coming up on 20 years.

It is! 20 years next year. Next year. I need

that 20th anniversary box set. Give it to me.

It is nice that it's at least on Paramount+.

I was just gonna say that. It's the whole reason

I'm subscribed to Paramount+. Exactly, yes. Yeah,

I did enjoy what I saw of Star Trek Lower Decks.

And there's going to be new Ninja Turtles stuff

coming next year, maybe the year after there's

like animated movies featuring the villains.

Yeah, that's something I heard about that, which

sounds promising. So besides turtles, which the

collection is extensive. Spectacular Spider -Man,

Avengers, Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I used to

have all of Justice League, but I had to part

ways with that box set at some point. Why? Money

trouble. Oh, OK. Well, yeah, that's it. And it

was signed by Bruce Tim, man. Oh, no. Very embarrassing

the time I met Bruce Tim. I'm like, Bruce Tim,

I'm a fan of your work. Well, that was awkward

Yeah, so I used I used to have more but uh Yeah,

I have um not all 1 ,000 episodes of one piece.

I probably have about 500 episodes of one piece

Yeah, and I Got a bunch of the Disney cartoons

as they came out Darkwing rescue Rangers Ducktales

They just came out with the full set of Rescue

Rangers, which is nice. Finally having all of

that as opposed to most of it. And I wish they

would do that with Darkwing. Because, yeah, it's

not even that many episodes that didn't come

out on DVD, but it's still... I'm a completionist.

I need it. Speaking of completionists, we never

got the last season of the 2003 Turtles in the

US. They got it in Australia. It's not on Paramount

Plus? It is, it is on Paramount Plus, but they

never put it on DVD. No. They put both, they

put all the Fast Forward on DVD, and let me tell

you, I took my time buying those ones. That wasn't

until many years later that I was like, alright,

I'll go ahead and get the Fast Forward disc.

But, yeah. So I bought the original... Release

of the 80s cartoon and then I did get the the

full season set But like I said, that was mainly

so that I could have it digitally Because otherwise,

you know where we have it Right. Yeah, but yeah

Mostly turtles and a lot of anime Well, this

says it's a repackage but you can get Justice

League the complete series on Amazon for Twenty

seven sixteen fifty five percent off of the MSRP

of sixty dollars. Yeah. So where is that I guess?

I actually had it on DVD so I could upgrade to

the Blu -ray. Yeah that's true. What surprises

me just looking here on Amazon is that they don't

have like they have season one and season two

in Blu -rays and then they have unlimited in

Blu -ray. But they don't have a full -on like

complete box set like the original Yeah DVD like

that's what bugs me probably get around to it

now that they've already re -released Batman

Superman and Batman Beyond Yeah, I did get that

Batman set. Oh And samurai Jack when they released

the whole thing Yeah, you're talking about the

the complete series Batman Beyond set with the

Funko pop No, the original Batman, not the not

beyond. Oh, I will probably pick that up at some

point. Yeah, as soon as I like soon as the Batman

Beyond was like, OK, I haven't had that in however

long and it comes with a metallic Batman Beyond.

Yep, got to have it. Got to have it. So it's

it's still in storage at my dad's. But but yeah.

No, it's it's awesome. Some fun odds and ends.

I picked up SWAT cats Warner Archive released

that I I have the real adventures of Johnny Quest

digitally because that was just the most affordable

way to get it Right, right And it's like I guess

you could still get the DVDs, but it's not like

it's streaming anywhere but yeah, some sometimes

you just gotta Go with the Amazon video because

there's no better options. I was glad to get

SWAT cats actually on disk. That's another sort

of Turtles -y show that I am willing to have

in my life. I mean, one of them was a turtle.

There you go. Barry Gordon. He was also a snork.

He was an all -star snork. Alright, what are...

Oh boy, I am way down the line here. Let's see.

So I think I already know the answer to this,

but which cartoons had the biggest impact on

your life? Yeah, it's definitely Turtles. I don't

think too many cartoons actually affected me.

in significant ways, like for me as a character.

Well, I might have to give some credit to like

the McGee and me video series. Very good morals

in those very good skates. Expectations is the

best one. Hands down, no arguments done. Period.

Stamp of approval to get expectations is the

best one. I like the the art, the art focused

one. You might think someone's better than you,

but there are things only you can do. Yeah, so

it was a fun video series. But Turtles, Turtles

definitely helped form my sense of humor, my

interest in action animation. Obviously things

like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs also factored

into my sense of humor in those 90s. comedies

and also like old Looney Tunes shorts and such

but um but really impacting my life it definitely

would have to be Turtles and I guess to a lesser

extent Pokemon because it was like the first

anime that I was really into and anime is such

a big part of everything I do now but uh Toonami

itself Toonami is a blog Just as a huge thing,

but not in like Not in like an impactful way.

It's just more like um This is something that

I've been talking about for the past 20 years

kind of thing. Yeah, but turtles Turtles was

both both good and bad Because I'm pretty sure

I can trace some uh less than great things back

to ninja turtles and that is my dislike of things

like body horror and my paranoia of chemicals

would definitely trace back to ninja turtles

because there are some unfortunate souls in the

history of ninja turtles that turn into grotesque

things and they might have been popular toys

and i constantly see them And I just can't get

over the trauma the first time I saw those characters.

They just hang with me. It's gross. You ooze,

you lose. Yeah. I mean, you really roll the dice

when you get oozed. Yes. Yes, you do. So yeah.

And ever since then, I've had probably an unhealthy

concern with chemicals like... When I was working

as a airplane Manufacturer and we had all these

chemicals around for cleaning. I was like, oh,

what could this turn me into? Nothing, it might

give you a bad burn if anything. Yeah Toxic waste

isn't that exciting actually not that I know

of any toxic waste This is more like different

kinds of alcohol cleaners Jesus Yeah, it was,

uh, yeah. Ever since Ninja Turtles, I've been

grossed out by body horror and like, and this

also carries over to like X -Men because sometimes

humans have unfortunate superpowers in X -Men

and it's, yeah, that sort of thing. Or you end

up like Senator Kelly in the X -Men movie. That

was, ugh, disturbing. Poor Senator Kelly. Disturbing.

So yeah, there's both good things and bad things

that hang in my mind. Like, I almost can't think

of Ninja Turtles without thinking of these things

I don't want to think about. Which is just crappy.

Just have some Choco Puffs on your pizza, you'll

be fine. I actually did try peanut butter and

chocolate. on a pizza recently uh -huh i mean

this is pretty good yeah nothing too crazy so

when i was living out in washington there was

this place i forget what it was called off top

of my head but they had a peanut butter pickled

cheeseburger pizza now i Was like no pickles

No, no, not even just no take that off. Just

it's like That's like Michelangelo You put anchovies

on this thing. You're in big trouble. Okay You

know same thing like you put pickles on this

pizza. You're in big trouble. Okay So it was

a peanut butter bacon cheeseburger pizza That's

instead of Huh, that sounds all right Yeah, so

I don't like mustard or ketchup. So Well, okay,

but it was just the bacon the burger and the

cheese. There was no mustard. No ketchup. It's

pizza. Remember Well, sometimes they put the

mustard in the ketchup on there for authenticity

Gross only places like Taco Bell tried to do

crap like that Okay, so anyway So, you know,

it's if you did this like with a normal pizza,

it would be the the marinara sauce, the crust,

the cheese, the burger and the bacon. Well, with

this, instead of using marinara sauce, they use

the peanut butter sauce for the base of like.

Yeah, it was so. fucking good. I absolutely loved

it, except half the time when I tried to use

DoorDash to order it after the first time, they're

like, yeah, we're not allowing substitutions.

So I couldn't remove the damn pickles. And I

am sorry. Once you have pickle on anything, even

if you remove the pickle, the taste is still

there. This is absolutely true. Like if they

put a pickle on the side with my fries, I'm like,

I can still taste that pickle. Yeah, I can smell

it a mile away. At the same time, when I was

a kid, I used to love eating midget pickle gherkins,

so I was a weird kid. Anyway, what was the most

money you spent on a cartoon item ever? This

could be a DVD complete series set, a cell, a

print, etc. Well, I haven't gotten any cells,

and I'd probably like to, but I just haven't

really done it. Haven't ever paid too much for

an autographed For an individual item There was

a small Megas XLR Figurine that was sold on the

Cartoon Network store for probably like 15 bucks

many years later I bought that off eBay from

some guy for like $80 and that was a Questionable

choice I might say but I really wanted that figure

and I had expendable income but Probably the

thing I have spent the most on a single item

was I did pick up the arcade one up Ninja Turtles

arcade for like $450. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. If

the Cowabunga collection had come out any sooner,

I probably wouldn't have. done that but at the

time there was no other way to play the arcade

games legally other than going to an arcade or

buying an actual arcade so it seemed like a reasonable

comparison but it was still like the most ridiculous

purchase I feel like I've ever made so there's

that And then they came out with a better version

that has Wi -Fi included for an extra $200. It's

like, I'm not paying an extra $200 for something

I just paid $450 for. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But

thank goodness for the Cowabunga collection,

so you don't have to. Yep. There have only ever

been two cabinets that I've ever wanted to have

in wherever place I was living. And they're enormous

cabinets. That would be the turtles for turtles

in time because let's face it, we all love that

game. I love it to death. Yeah. And the original

Star Wars trilogy, the full on sit down surrounds

like literally. I hear lightsabers and blasters

coming out of speakers that are like right behind

like that sit down cabinet, that big display

thing that has to be projected onto a wall or

a script. Like literally those have only ever

been the only two arcade games I have ever wanted

to have at wherever I was living. Will I ever

have either one of them? Hell no, because I will

be in this one -bedroom apartment until I die.

Hopefully that's in the next, you know, 20, 30

years or so, I guess. Maybe. I don't know. You

know, it's just one of those things where, I

don't know. I barely have room for this thing.

Yeah, exactly. And it's smaller than the actual

cabinet. Yeah, you know. Those mini cabinets

that Walmart sells now, I'm like, huh? Yeah,

those are cute for things like Pac -Man. The

ones for tabletops. Those are alright. They're

alright. Do you have a, my parents wouldn't let

me watch that cartoon story? I sure do. Because

my parents at some point forbade me from watching

Ren and Stimpy, but my grandparents would watch

it with me. Your parents have excellent taste

your grandparents. I'm not so sure You know like

my grandparents They let me watch Ren and Stimpy.

They would show me recordings of Beanie and Cecil

and some other old cartoons So I think they generally

had good taste in cartoons Beanie and Cecil are

awesome. Yeah, Bob Clampett good stuff Which

They probably like Ren and Stimpy because it's

heavily inspired by those kinds of cartoons.

But also with a heavy dose of, oh, look at how

gross we can make this. Yeah, honestly, at the

end of the day, I liked Rocco's Modern Life a

lot more than Ren and Stimpy. I don't think there

was ever a point where my parents said, you can't

watch The Simpsons, but I don't think I really

did watch it until... I was at least 10 or so.

And I was I was a very good boy. I kind of self

regulated. So like I was aware of Beavis and

Butthead in South Park and I might have caught

a moment of them. But I mean, like this is something

my parents would not want me watching. Oh, so

I'm not going to watch it. And when Adult Swim

came along. Was not quite an adult yet, and I

took that like Overly seriously, so I was like

hey, but I'm a dad I know I'm not quite 18 yet,

but there's these animated series late at night

It's okay if I watch them. They're like yeah.

Yeah, that's fine. You're 17. Don't worry about

it And I was I was 17 watching Aqua Teen Hunger

Force and R .V. Birdman and Yu Yu Hakusho on

Saturday nights. Cowboy Bebop. Inuyasha. That

was the big thing. Yu Yu Hakusho at 11 p .m.

on Saturday nights was like, it's only 11 p .m.

I can still wake up in time for church. It's

okay. It'll be okay. Yeah, so I mostly self -regulated.

But yeah, the Ren and Stiffy thing always sticks

with me. Because to this day, I think my grandparents

were very cool about that. Very cool, very cool.

What is your opinion on cartoon reboots and which

ones do you think have been the most successful?

Oh gee, I wonder. I like all the new versions

of the Ninja Turtles. I feel very blessed that

I feel like every version of Ninja Turtles that

has come out since my childhood is at least watchable.

I thought the 2003 series was fantastic. I thought

the 2012 series was fantastic. And I do think

Rise of the TMNT is good in its own way. If nothing

else, it has absolutely amazing animation and

is probably the funniest Ninja Turtles since

the 80s cartoon. Really? Yeah, they Okay, first

of all, you got Donatello who's got way more

of an ego than he has ever had and he's very

sardonic and his line delivery is just so good

and Then you have the Leonardo's a real loose

cannon and you have the most fun splinter there's

ever been Some people don't like that about it,

but I can kind of roll with Hamato Yoshi who's

a big screw -up as opposed to a, you know, actually

responsible person. You know, like, we had this

big responsibility to seal away the Shredder

and keep him sealed away, and you were supposed

to train all these years. Oh yeah, I didn't do

that. Well, now we have a problem. And that version

of the Shredder is just an unhinged demon, which

is kinda neat. And they all relate it back to

the Hamato clan in cool ways. But yeah, the action

animation in that show is just the best Ninja

Turtles has ever looked, which is saying something.

I mean, if you go back and you look at the...

Nah, I'm not gonna do that. But I always thought

the 2012 show had good fluid animation, even

if you weren't really keen on the CG. And it

was also very expressive, the character faces.

A 2003 show is kind of stiff, actually, especially

in the later seasons. But in the earlier seasons,

it looked pretty good. They definitely cut corners.

You can see that when you rewatch it. But, you

know, it had a nice style to it, which I think

goes a long way. Another reboot that I thought

was really good was the DuckTales. I thought

that the 2017 DuckTales was really good. I also

At least warmed up to what they did with Darkwing

Duck. I wasn't entirely on board with that, but

I think overall it was a fine choice for Doing

a new version of Darkwing Another reboot that

I thought Probably Transformers Prime and I know

other other people have said things about GI

Joe renegades, but I actually like that one But

I'm not not too beholden to GI Joe to be honest

And that's the funny thing about all these cartoons

and eventually we will be covering GI Joe real

American hero the original 80s cartoon on this

podcast, but the funny thing about GI Joe is

is that It's only had several like It isn't like

Transformers where there's one every five, six,

seven, eight, nine, ten years or... You know,

I think the military thing is probably why that

is. Obviously. Yes, obviously. You know, I'm

not trying to sit here and not, you know, say

that, but I'm saying like, you know, it didn't

have this effect on me. But what if watching

G .I. Joe in the 80s, had it had an effect on

some on some male child, some 10 year old. Oh,

mom and dad, I want to be in the army so I can

fight the bad guys. You know, you know what I

mean? Like, I'm sure that it did. And that's

fine. But, you know, it is it is what it is.

The toys alone definitely did that. Yeah, yeah,

absolutely. Which cartoons? Yeah, I'm trying

to think of some other reboots that I think the

Voltron legendary defender, I thought that was

pretty good. Good old Josh Keaton in that. Yup.

And Shiro. I just started rewatching that. So

my buddy Joe Reed and I covered the first two

seasons a number of years ago now. Because of

my spectacular spider -man watch through i've

had this josh keaton kick in my brain so much

legendary defender i never actually watched.

The entire series so i think i'm in the middle

of season one episode two at this point and they're

still learning and it's kind of before. The whole

zarkon thing and that show man. The only thing

in that show so far and I don't know if this

changes because I I never made it past season

two and honestly I've recorded that podcast So

damn long ago. I don't remember what the hell

we said in it Rewatch I'm only two episodes in

I want to shoot Koran I want to take Voltron

sword and cut his voice box out And I know this

is supposed to be your origin episode, and I'm

not trying to take away from it, but oh my God,

just because I've recently started to rewatch

this thing, I've had to tell somebody, even though

I know I could tell it online, whatever, but

it's much easier in a podcast to say this. I

fucking hate legendary defender Karan. Peter

Cullen was the superior Karan. Well, I mean,

I'm not going to argue otherwise. Truly a legend.

Have you, have you watched any of his recent

NASA videos? I was like, you can't convince me

that's not a Toonami promo. No, I haven't. I'll

have to check those out. It's Peter Cohen talking

about space and the wonders of space. I was like,

this, this, this is just Toonami. Now they did,

you know, I should have mentioned Peter Cohen

earlier with the voice actors because obviously

Peter Cohen. I mean, yeah, you know. Yeah, I

mean I what is it Reese Darviz is I think I said

that right as as Koran Yeah, I guess I don't

know. I just I think he's doing shit He's good

in some roles, but he's he's a he's a bit much

just Like the Koran character in legendary defender

so far in the first like I said I'm like like

five six seven eight minutes into the second

episode of the first season right now And I have

seen this show before, but I don't remember it.

So in this show, and as you know, because your

memory is better than mine, he gets up in your

face and they try to do like, he does these freak

outs where the animation tries to make him look

like he has his eyes bugging out of his head.

Like, no, stop. You are not the Ren and Stimpy

of the Voltron cartoons. You're not. Don't do

that. Knock it off and just behave. Anyway. Oh

God. So. Yeah. Which cart, which cartoon series

from the past would you most want to see more

of whether it be a reboot live action movie or

any other form of media? Now I will put a caveat

on this because. I have always wanted to see

what they would do now today. With 1984 animation

for G1, like if you were going to take G1 from

the rebirth, which is the final three episodes

of the United States airing of the show. If you

were going to take, you know, move on from that

story, but I would want to see that in the same

1984 animation, but for you. Which one from which

cartoon series from the past would you most want

to see more of? today Well, there was definitely

a time when I would have instantly said spectacular

spider -man But given my feelings towards young

justice, which is the same showrunner I don't

think Tad stones would Keep Greg Wiseman from

Greg Wiseman in a little too hard and even the

second season of that show They tried to cram

in too much, so I'm concerned at what direction

that show would actually go in if they made more,

but I mean, I'd still probably take it, at least

over other Spider -Man cartoons. But two wonderful

giant robot shows that were sadly cut short.

Genndy Tartakovsky's Symbionic Titan. It's so

good, such a good sci -fi animated series. that

Cartoon Network unfortunately did not support.

And I would love to see more of that. And I would

always love to see more of Megas XLR from the

creators were Jody Schafer and George Christic.

And who was the other guy involved with that

at Titmouse? Titmouse didn't actually make the

show. They only made the intro. But the the people

that They were doing that. Yeah Megas XLR is

another giant robot show the Cartoon Network

did not support well enough and I really would

love to see it come back, but I There's legal

nonsense that makes both of those shows very

unlikely to ever Get more which is painful Another

spider -man show that I'd really like at least

some closure would be the 94 Spider -Man. I see

they're doing the 90s X -Men, they're doing X

-Men 97, and it kind of gives me a little bit

of hope that maybe we'll finally see what happens

after Spider -Man goes on his journey to find

Mary Jane. Though there are notes, I am aware

of what has been said about what they were going

to do. Yes, and I frankly don't know how I feel

about those things, but I still I haven't closure

Yeah, I have not seen that. I am friends with

John Semper jr. I did interview the guy during

the 20th anniversary of spider -man in 2014 But

yeah, I I have not seen his notes or whatever

that The reason why I don't want that is because

Stan and Joan aren't here anymore. Now Stan,

okay fine, he's in the real world fine, but Joan

Lee was the voice of Madame Webb. There are certain

voice actors where that voice is that voice.

Peter Cullen's Optimus Prime, Generation One

Optimus Prime. There are plenty of sound -alikes

and imitators and people who will try to do a

Peter Cullen, you know, but you take something

like, oh, what's one voice? Well, perfect example

is 87 Donatello, Barry Gordon. That's just his,

that's how he talks. He's not putting on a voice.

That's how he talks. There is nobody else that

could do like, if you're, if you're going to

get a Donatello for a new series, you're going

to get, it's going to be somebody else. It's

going to sound like something else. It's never

going to be Barry Gordon unless you get Barry

Gordon. And the same thing with Joan Lee as Madam

Webb is that. Do I, do I, do I agree with you?

Yes. I agree with you in the sense that I would

love to have closure. However, I would want Marvel

to give John the chance to write maybe a one

-shot or something. Oh, comic. Yeah, because

in comics, I can have her voice in my head. Yeah,

that's a good point. Face front, true believer,

we're going to go find the real Mary Jane Watson.

You know, like, you know. I can deal with that.

I can handle that. I can, I can have that in

my head. I don't have to worry about the fact

that Chris summer is trying. I'm not saying anything

against Chris summer. I'm saying her name because

she was, um, Hagar in legendary defender. Like,

you know, you know, it's just. If it was another

voice, if it was another person. If Madame Webb

did not have that moment, sort of, with Spider

-Man at the end where, you know, he comes back

and he's like, you know, that Stan Lee sure is

an amazing guy, whatever he says. And then she

says, yes. Or is that exotic woman? Yeah, exactly.

Like, you know, and again, it's because they

intentionally, and I love that they did this,

intentionally made them. Made Stan Lee the animated

character and the madam web like I have her funko

pop It's still in a box currently, but I like

literally they need to out of all the Stan Lee's

funko has released We need a 1994 Stanley, you

know what whatever but anyway, yeah, no, it's

it it's so yeah All right. Wait, there's more.

There's more. There's Avengers Earth's Mightiest

Heroes. Give me more of that. Give me more Green

Lantern animated series. There actually was a

little something for that in the new season of

Young Justice. I don't know how I feel about

them putting that in Young Justice, but it was

nice to catch up with one of those characters.

But yeah, I really like the Green Lantern show.

I would have loved to see more of that. And Earth's

Mightiest Heroes was so good. Give me back the

Yoast verse. Give it back. I want it back. I

Mean not really making another Avengers cartoon

right now. So why not? The Yoast verse what is

Chris what is Yoast? Is a show producer. He actually

has written a lot of MCU movies. Oh Cool. Yeah,

but he was he was a He was a writer producer

on Avengers are his mightiest heroes, and I believe

he was involved in Wolverine and the X -Men.

Not so much spectacular Spider -Man, but... Right,

right. Well, you mentioned Yost, and I'm like,

what does Billy the Blue Ranger have to do? Yeah,

what does Billy Cranston have to do with anything?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, not David Yost. Chris Yost.

Yes, Chris Yost. Comic and television writer.

Chris Yost. It's David's brother or cousin or

whatever. Not really. No, I'm just making that

up. Uh, what is he, uh, who knows? What is, what

is your opinion of the cartoon sidekick? Snarf,

Orko, T Bob and Scott from mask, uh, cartoon

sidekicks from the nineties. Uh, technically

I guess you could say lunch pad, but lunch pad

was an okay sidekick. in Darkwing Duck, but essentially

sidekick characters. What is your opinion of

them? I feel like there's many categories. I

mean, there's the mascot, like Slimer, and then

there's the sidekick, like Launchpad, and then

there's the kid characters, like Gosselin, and

I don't think Gosselin is a bad kid character.

I think Gosselin and Honker were fine. I think

Huey Dooley and Louie were fine. Webby? Not so

much. Why be this kind of annoying? Kid Codkicker?

Cool. Molly? No, they made Molly very annoying.

I think maybe it's because I am a boy, but these

female characters were awfully annoying. Well,

the thing of it is that as cartoons progressed

from the 80s into the previous decade and now

the current decade, see, in the 80s, folks, Where

you had people like me who were seven years old

and watched all the He -Man stuff and reruns

even though I watched it Before then when it

was actually airing, you know regular so Orcos

all right, man. Yeah. Well, yeah or goes Whatever

is what it is He's not the worst 80s kid or sidekick.

Anyway, the point is is that Starting in like

82 83 going forward Like with He -Man and She

-Ra, He -Man was for the boys, She -Ra was for

the girls. So with something like DuckTales with

Webby, the Huey, Dewey and Louie are for the

boys, Webby's supposed to be for the girls. Instead

of having to then say, oh, we're going to do

DuckTales 2017 until 2019. And then in 2019 -

Webby's fun in that one. It's the Webby show.

Yeah. Yeah. But then even at the same time, you

know, like you got Gadget on Rescue Rangers,

great character. You had the female gummy bears.

They were cool. Yeah. Yeah. They were cool. So,

you know, it's it's not all the same. And I had

no problem with Gosselin. I thought I like I

like the dynamic of Gosselin, her her father,

Drake Mallard and all that. That's that's fine.

I was never a big fan of like kids hanging out

with the heroes of like Transformers shows, particularly

Transformers Armada. Those kids were terrible,

especially Carlos. Everybody like Carlos. Matt

Hill doing a really not great accent. Mr. Ed

himself doing a not great accent. I, you know,

then didn't get those. Matt Hill, I love the

man. I had a chance to interview him years ago

now and every once in a while I'll comment on

it on his posts and whatever. But Matt Hill will

always be two characters in my mind. He will

be the guy in the suit for Turtles because he

was the guy in the suit for Turtles 3, I believe.

And he will always be the voice of Captain N,

the Game Master. Oh yeah, he was Captain N. That's

right. And again, that's one of those voices

where it's essentially his own, like, literally,

I remember when we did that interview, because

you never know when you do interviews, like,

again, you take somebody like Rob Paulson or

Maurice Lamarr short, if you've never heard them

before, outside of the voices they do, you don't

know what they're going to sound like. And that

was this one night that we had the interview

with Matt Hill and I was like, What's he gonna

sound like? I don't even know and then the first

thing as soon as I connected the call I'm like

to my co -host. I think I think I think Neil

Neil Purcell did this with me. I'm like, okay

Neil, are you here? Yep. I'm here Matt. Are you

here? Hi, this is yeah, I'm mad I'm here and

literally it's like Captain ends like right like

he's not even trying to be the character. He

just that's his voice again. It's one of those

Barry Gordon aspect thing. What did you think

he would sound like Ed? I don't know. I don't

know. At least he doesn't sound like next mutation

Raphael. Oh, man. Why wasn't he Michelangelo?

Would have been a way better voice for my well

actually I like curvy Maros Michelangelo may

rest in peace I Would rather take the singing

voice of Raphael on coming out of their shells

the next mutation Raphael Yeah, I thought the

singing voice was pretty good. That's what I'm

saying That's what I mean. Yeah anyway Album

so much so much so Do you still have the original

cassette album? Like it's only... You know, I

think I might have the cassette somewhere. Okay.

I might. Do you have a full -on stereo mono version

of it? Where it's at? So here's the thing, folks.

I think I have a digital copy. Okay, but anyway,

this is what I'm saying. Here's the thing. I

have had the... album coming out of their shells

for the longest time. For the longest time, it

was just like it was back when it released, which

is it's in one year. It's only in one year. Cause

it was only recorded on one side or whatever,

whatever that, whatever the tech, I forgot the

sound. So I'm like, Steve, I'm like Steve Megatron.

Like I can do a lot of things with audio editing

and things like that, but there are some things

I can not do. I'm like, look, this is coming

out of my left speaker. I want it coming out

of the left and right speaker. So he did whatever

magical audio thing he did. And I now have a

full, like literally, literally I have it. I

have the local files linked in my Spotify. I

can go play it on my phone after we record this.

And I most likely will now that I'm talking about

it. But if you don't have something that plays

it out of both speakers, I'm telling you, we

can talk later. That's right. That's right. You

can count on us. You can count on us. That's

right. In your opinion, which decade represents

the quote unquote Golden era of cartoons and

why 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000s or 2010s I Feel

like it's the 90s and the main reason I say that

is because that was the time when a lot more

creator driven Cartoons were getting made that

was right the early Nick tunes and Some of the

early Cartoon Network shows, all of those, they

had a specific creative vision and they weren't

just cartoons by committee. I think for that

reason in particular, where we're getting away

from telling stories to sell toys and we're finally

really letting a creator make the show they wanna

make. You know, with some restrictions, usually

for the better because we see what happens when

they're unrestricted. And I'm looking at you,

Ren and Stimpy. But yeah, I think I think that

part of me wants to say like the 2000s, maybe

more so. But I think it's probably got to be

the 90s because you also have Batman, the animated

series, which took what we thought. was possible

with an action animation show and just like blew

the top off of it. Like everything before that

pales in comparison to what they did with Batman,

the animated series. So and then also, I think

some of the best animated comedies were from

the 90s. So, yeah, and also a lot of the the

best like prime time animation came out. in that

era too. Though a lot did come out in the 2000s.

But I feel like, well, it's probably the 90s.

And over on the Japanese side, like some of the

all -time classics came out in the 90s. Like,

people tell you if there's any anime you need

to see, if you've never watched any other anime,

it's Cowboy Bebop by Shinichiro Watanabe. Shinichiro

Watanabe. He, uh, it is... like film noir, space

cowboy, sci -fi. It's such a great show to introduce

people who have never seen Japanese animation

before. And that came out in the 90s among lots

of other things like Dragon Ball Z came out in

the technically late 80s, but mostly in the 90s.

Yeah. Sailor Moon came out in the 90s. Pokemon

came out in the 90s. So the 90s was just such

a big, big era. But, of course, I can't discredit,

like, what they were doing in the 50s. Like,

those were sensational. And, you know, you can

still watch them today and they're still entertaining.

Even, like, even those flight, the Flesher Superman

shorts are really good. Really good. Yeah. And

yeah, but I think 90s. I know a lot of you guys

are very beholden to the 80s, but maybe because

I was born in 84 and didn't really watch cartoons

until 87. Yeah, see, that's the thing. You know,

that's yeah. You were born in the 80s, but you

grew up in the 90s kind of thing. Whereas, you

know, people who were born in, say, 79, 80, 81,

82, we were born. In those whatever which every

year you wanna pick but we still grew up in the

eighties and the nineties kind of thing and i

agree with you i mean you know i personally would

say eighties because of all of the cartoons for

me that were. Then what i've noticed is the trends

changing from. Week day afternoons and saturday

mornings to cartoon blocks to. having various

shows at various times. The reason why it only

goes from the 50s to the 2010s is because we're

only two years into the 2020s. This decade isn't

even done yet, so who the hell knows what's going

to happen when we hit 2029. I'm going to make

it that long. because a lot of you guys brought

up syndication which is a big a big factor there

like in the 80s there was a lot of syndication

that's how i saw a lot of the like the hannah

barbera cartoons but in the 90s the early cable

years you could see so much animation it was

blessed yeah it was everywhere it was on hbo

it was on this that and the other thing nickelodeon

cartoon network They had blocks on TNT USA Cartoon

Express like the cartoons were everywhere and

That is the reason why I was able to see so many

cartoons. Well before I was born and That's another

reason why I might say the 2000s might be slightly

better in that regard, because the sampling by

the 2000s was very, very wide, but still probably

into the 90s. Some people view cartoons as something

for children and don't view animation as a serious

form of media that adults should consume. Who

should cartoons be made for, in your opinion?

You see, that is a almost strictly American line

of thinking. In other parts of the world, in

France, in Asia, in other parts of Europe, even

in Latin America, animation's more so for everybody.

There's not that kind of stigma that cartoons

are just for kids, or if they're not just for

kids, then they're like Family Guy or The Simpsons.

Right, yeah. In that respect, I truly believe

that animation is for everybody. Animation is

a fantastic medium to tell any kind of story,

whether it's everyday stuff or workplace comedy.

I love animated workplace comedies. I think those

are great. And you can relate to people on so

many levels with animation. Storytelling through

animation that I really feel like it's a limitless

possibility So yeah, absolutely animations for

everybody I do think that there are cartoons

that are specifically made for children And I

don't think that's a problem particularly if

they're like, you know preschool age cartoons

I mean, that's you know, that's all though those

should exist It should be a gradual scale, but

I think some of the best cartoons the cartoons

that appeal to the broadest range are the ones

that are acceptable for kids to watch, but appealing

to everybody else. And I think a lot of cartoons

manage that just fine. And now in the streaming

age, there's even less of a concern about only

targeting to kids. But at the same time, I still

feel like there should be more specifically Targeting

older audiences than they're currently is in

production a lot of times. It's just comedy there

have been some dramas some action shows like

invincible But even that you know heavy dose

of comedy Vox Machina heavy dose of comedy and

Some of the other stuff and then you have Gendi

Tartakovsky's primal which is a drama that almost

has no talking for the entirety of nine episodes

and wow yeah it's coming back for another season

now it's it's a beautiful show is very expressive

despite not really having dialogue and it is

definitely not for kids because it is brutally

violence and it is really straight -up badass

and I want to see more that kind of thing more

like creepy cartoons for older audiences more

I'm not really big fan of horror honestly but

I mean I like to see all these genres explored

any given season of anime in Japan there's like

oh half a dozen shows set in high school or junior

high where young people are just palling around

which can be entertaining but I generally prefer

to find the shows that are more about older characters,

people in college, people in the workplace, that

kind of thing. So there's just such a broad range

of content out there outside of the US, as well

as a growing amount of content in the US that

shows that animation is for everybody. So animation

is for everybody. You can make shows for kids,

but why not make it for everybody? Yeah, and

that's the answer everybody is given to that

question. I mean cuz honestly, you're right There's

something here for everyone at every age level

no matter what I mean, I think the only Okay,

well it wasn't right it wasn't really a preschool

or kindergarten cartoon or anything like that

But like Muppet Babies and like Berenstain Bears

are the two like young kid eighties cartoons

I can think of off the top of my head kind of

thing, you know. But, you know, it is what it

is. And you're right. And the reason why that's

phrased that way is because when I wrote that

question out, you know, when it says some people

view cartoons as something for children or whatever,

or some people view it as not something for children.

I was thinking of all those old dumb ass senators

and politics, like all of those things in the

eighties where it's like, Oh my God, the cartoon

violence is so bad. Oh my God. We must stop cartoon.

Are you kidding? They rarely use their weapons.

Okay, yeah, but that's why the red lasers and

the blue lasers shoot over the head of the villain.

That's right. No direct hits. They can't hit.

Yeah, but I mean, well, I mean, there are a couple,

whatever, but then, and of course there is the

classic fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight,

fight, you know, hammer and knife and nail and

whatever. Good old Tom and Jerry cartoon violence.

Yeah, I was, you're right. I was thinking more

of Itchy and Scratchy when I said fight, fight,

fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. I'm thinking

of Marge's campaign against, uh, against Itchy

and Scratchy in the early seasons of The Simpsons.

Cause again, that was a thing back then. Like,

you know, parents were going after these cartoon

people. Because the cartoons were so - and nowadays

it's like, oh no, we'll put anything we want

on Netflix. Eh, we'll put parental controls and

then we'll leave it in your hands. Like it's

- Parents don't care, now it's, uh, young adults

that have nothing better to do but complain about

cartoons to the creators of said cartoons. Complain,

complain. You know, when life gives you lemons

- I COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LEMONS! And look. Have

I expressed negative opinions about cartoons?

Yes, everyone has, but I am not good. If it's

something that I don't like, I am not going to

sit here and waste my time on Twitter, Facebook,

Instagram, TikTok, whatever, and go to a creator

and get in their face and say, Hey, I think your

insert cartoon name here is really, really ugly,

dumb, shitty. What, you know, like. I'll talk

about how I don't give a shit and I think it

Ren and Stimpy is disgusting as all hell But

I'm not gonna go to John Kay and sit like you

know, but he totally deserves it Okay. Well,

that's fine Bad example. Yeah, but you know what

I'm saying though, like don't get me wrong He

is a human being almost on the levels of Bill

Cosby kind of thing. But like You know, I don't

know. And it is what it is as far as very, but

my point is, is that if I like, oh my God, I

can't get used to the fact that you have Darkwing

Duck, the actor, which is Jim Cummings, and you

have Darkwing Duck, the person, which is a completely

different voice. I can get used to that. And

that's fine. I may not like the voice that is

coming out of Darkwing Duck, the, the, you know,

separate from, you know what I mean? Like that

was, that threw me off. Cause again, I've only

seen very and the Darkwing cause hello, it's

Darkwing Duck and that's the only Darkwing we've

gotten since the original series. So I was never

not going to miss that. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah.

All right. We are now entering the cartoon fantasy

land, so anything said in here is all pretend

and make -believe. Imagine you're on trolley

and you're going through Mr. Rogers' little tunnel

into the land of make -believe. Yeah, I don't

think Mr. Roger would approve of some of these

upcoming answers. No, probably not. Any vehicle

featured in a cartoon, which would it be and

why? Well, I'm tempted to say a Gundam mobile

suit because those things are really cool. Megas,

the robot from Megas XLR, which is a futuristic

robot that has been modified to have a bunch

of video game stuff inside of it. And the head

is a muscle car. I want that. I want I want Megas.

Okay, that thing is way cool. Oh It has like

a cannon in its chest, which is a reference to

star blazers. Oh Wow. Yeah, I Love it. I love

it Awesome. Awesome. If you could live in any

cartoon world that you wanted, where would you

live and why? Right. I thought about this a lot.

I like Let me be clear, I definitely don't want

to live in the world of Ninja Turtles because

1 -Mutagen and life is crappy. But I would like

to live in a world where there's superpowers.

And that would maybe lead me to One Piece because

I don't think anybody has gotten superpowers

that are, like, unfortunate in One Piece so much.

But One Piece is also a story where... there's

like this whole lost history of the world situation

going on and the uh powers that be are like real

scary so i don't think i want to live in that

society either also they don't have they don't

have like the creature comforts that i have come

to appreciate in life such as television and

blu -ray box sets and streaming and video games

and all of that. So I want to live in a world

where there are superpowers and we got cool entertainment

to enjoy because that's what I'm about. So my

choice is the world of an anime called Tiger

and Bunny. It's on Netflix. In that world, people

are kind of like the X -Men. They can develop

superpowers, but. Unlike in the X -Men, it doesn't

seem like anybody ever gets the raw deal on that

one. So you can get cool superpowers, maybe,

not necessarily, but they have a pretty advanced

level of technology and it just seems like a

cool place to be. Also, Josh Keaton is in the

second season playing a character that is very

Batman -like. Which is a good time. So yeah,

my answer would be Tiger and Bunny. You can watch

both seasons on Netflix. See what I'm talking

about. Awesome. Very cool, very cool. Okay, so

you are yourself, obviously. Who would be your

top three toon pals to join you and become a

quartet? Man, I can't leave out one of the Ninja

Turtles. That's just cruel. I would have a harder

time picking which turtle I like the least. versus

which turtle I like the most. Though, for a time,

Michelangelo was my favorite, particularly in

childhood. But I think I would not hang out with

a Ninja Turtle because, realistically, that would

probably get me Salmonella. And that's not cool,

dude. So I'm going to pick two members of the

Straw Hat Pirates from One Piece. Luffy, the

protagonist, who also has rubber powers. I didn't

mention that before. He has like, Mr. Fantastic

powers. Which is kind of neat. He can stretch

and do all kinds of rubbery things with his body.

Yes, everything. Not that they ever really explore

that, but... Thank God. Somebody asked the author

about that one time. He says, yeah, everything

stretches. Alright. And the navigator of the

crew, Nami. because I need her to keep Luffy

in line and also I like her very very much. I

feel like I should have somebody smart that can

like invent cool stuff, but for a smart character,

and though I'm tempted to go with Donatello,

but for the reasons that I skipped on Michelangelo,

I will not do Donatello either. I think Spider

-Man. Spider -Man would be nice to hang out with.

Ha, hang. Yeah I know not every version of spider

-man is quite the same level of genius but I

mean some of them are like as smart as Tony Stark

so I Think I think that's a good good choice

to go with So yeah to two members of the straw

hat pirates from one piece and spider -man that's

my that's my team Very cool. Very cool If you

could date any cartoon character, which one would

it be and why? Obviously, for many years, I had

a crush on April O 'Neill. And because of that,

I have always had an interest in redheads. Girls

with orange or red hair. And Nami has orangish

red hair. And I think she's very lovely. And

I would want to date her. She would do a good

job of keeping me in line She's a no -nonsense

kind of gal. Very cool. Very cool What is the

holy grail of cartoon artifacts? The Sword of

Omens, The Matrix of Leadership, The Power Sword

from He -Man, etc. You know, The Power Sword

from He -Man seems like a pretty good choice.

You know, you pick that thing up and you're filled

with massive power. So I could kind of roll with

that. But I think I probably want to go with

something that could like grant me any kind of

wish that I would care for. So... There's a lot

of different things in media and animation that

if you have it, grant you a wish, bad things

are gonna happen. I don't think that's necessarily

the case with the Dragon Balls from Dragon Ball.

there's seven of them magical orbs you collect

them all summon the dragon you can wish for all

manner of things you can bring somebody back

to life you can send somebody to another planet

you can get massive riches you can become immortal

or invincible or any number of things and if

we're retconning dragon ball gt as we should

because it's garbage uh nothing bad comes from

using the dragon balls In GT, they kind of explore

the possibility of something bad happening from

using the Dragon Balls, but I'm just ignoring

that. So I'm gonna say the Dragon Balls. I think

Dragon Balls would be pretty cool to have. Alright.

We are now exiting the cartoon fantasy land,

and the final question, sir. What is one piece

of advice that you'd give the cartoon fandom

in general? You said one piece. Ha ha that's

my advice watch one piece all one thousand plus

episodes of it no, but seriously Chill out Yeah,

it's good to be passionate. I appreciate passion,

but there is too much passion sometimes you gotta

You gotta chill out let people enjoy what they

enjoy You know by all means promote the things

that you like and try to encourage other people

to check them out but don't like beat people

over the head with it you know if people don't

want to check it out they don't have to you certainly

don't have to look into everything out there

either you know just yeah to to quote bill and

ted be excellent to each other yes please you

know there's just there's there's so much There's

so much animosity in animation fandom and it's

so needless. Can't we all just get along? Get

along. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's between

any of these Origins episodes, that's always

the last question, whichever fandom it is, whether

it's Transformers, whether it's comics, whether

it's cartoons, whether it's podcasting. whether

it's, uh, well, not really the podcasting one,

but whether it's, you know, master the universe,

you know, what's the one piece of advice you

would give. And that's really what most of all

of us have said is because there is just it's

animosity animation, but it's also animosity

and, and, and other things in every other fandom.

And it just, it just sucks at times. And it's

like, stop. It's like Robin Williams said the

whole point of sucking the marrow out of life

is that you don't choke on the bone I almost

went with the genie's lamp by the way, cuz wouldn't

it be fun to hang out with genie? I didn't even

think because again when we wrote this I was

writing it with a fellow 80s and yeah, I mean

and it honestly Seriously, it could be any cartoon

artifact that that has been in any man. I don't

need the matrix of leadership Yeah, nobody needs

that burden. Yeah, nobody needs that burden.

Oh, burden hardest to bear. Oh, boy. All right.

My other advice is, it's cool to enjoy cartoons.

Don't sweat it. Yes. Cartoons, animation is for

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host Jose argumento around a hundred episodes

in and we just hit 400 Wow, yeah, we probably

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4 a .m That'll be currently airing the second

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again very good and people should watch it That's

it midnight Yes Obviously most kids aren't going

to be up from midnight to four a .m. So thankfully

Cartoon Network has a section of their day or

night or whatever you want to call it to dedicate

to the adult viewer of cartoons and especially

putting anime on that late. It's kind of like,

hey, let's grab some popcorn and Okay, anime

is not horror, but I'm going to say let's grab

some popcorn and have a horror movie Friday night

or something So sometimes they do horror. They're

actually developing a horror show for this upcoming

fall that's about a creepy things happening at

a housing complex called housing complex C and

Uzumaki, which is based on Junji Ito's famous

manga Uzumaki, that's uh, that's been delayed

many times because they're trying to do this

black -and -white animation style and it looks

gorgeous But it's gonna take a long time to make

so that's not coming out until sometime next

year. Oh Wow, yeah, very cool Very cool. So check

out the tsunami faithful podcast with Andrew

and all of his tsunami pals very very awesome

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Very cool. Very cool. Did you want to give out

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time when we will be giving you our thoughts.

Actually, we will be giving you our thoughts

on this, but my friends, Eduardo and Patricia,

she's actually making her GCRN debut, but it's

his wife. They are jumping in the car with me,

Plucky, and Hampton. and we're gonna talk about

how we spent our vacation. Oh, man. So it's the

middle of summer, folks. It's the middle of July.

What do you do in July? You talk about a vacation

movie that has nothing to do with Chevy Chase.

You talk about the Tiny Toons, how I spent my

vacation. Now, I have been researching this.

in order to prepare for this, and right now currently

how I spent my vacation is streaming on Hulu.

However, I always remembered it as TinyToon Adventures

how I spent my summer vacation. How I spent my

summer vacation because I thought that is what

it was titled at one point or another, and it

was, except they removed it. In order to basically

have it apply to any and all vacations Because

they eventually go back to school because the

whole point in the beginning of the thing is

they're waiting on technically summer vacation

because they're you know waiting on the clock

to tick down and tick down and three o 'clock

and you know, what you do in in school and Then

obviously close to the end of the movie. They

maybe rich. I don't remember what the end of

the movie is. I I know Just based off of memory,

Plucky and Hampton end up in some weird version

of Wally World. It's not Wackyland, it's something

else. I'm sure you'll say it here in a minute

as soon as I let you talk. But yeah, so that's

coming up next. And what is the weird Wally World

amalgam for Plucky and Hampton? I think it is

Wackyland. No, they don't go see Gogo. No, no,

no, they don't they I know they don't all right.

Anyway, we're gonna get the heck out of here

For now, I am TFG one Mike with Andrew sketch

Hinkson. Thank you for listening until next time

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