Scooby-Doo and Guess Who Season 1

Oh shit, what are we gonna do now? Hello everyone,

it is 2020. I am TFG1Mike. This is ToonCast,

all toons, all the time. This was originally

recorded in 2019 as episode 231, but you would

have already heard episode 231 as our Animaniacs

Season 1 Reboot Hulu episode. This episode was...

myself and Optimus Solo talking about Scooby

-Doo, Guess Who, Chris Paul, Season 1, Episode

1 of Scooby -Doo and Guess Who, and I just now

remembered that this was Episode 231 that we

recorded over a year ago. My computer has been

in storage since that time. I'm old. I forgot.

I'm sorry. Please enjoy the podcast. So, this

is the school. It means a lot to me. So, Mr.

Paul, this art school is funded by the golf tournament?

Yeah, and if it doesn't happen, the school will

be forced to close, and that can't happen. Better

get used to it not being here, Mr. Paul. With

half the golfers missing or having quit because

of that horrible swamp monster, we might as well

pack up and go home now. Boy, she's a negative,

Nellie. You know it, Fred. But listen here. She

is not why I'm doing this. We are. It's kind

of my thing to promote healthy activities for

kids. Am I like teaching them basketball? Nope.

By golfing? Nope. Bowling. Let me get this right.

Basketball legend and assist team Chris Paul

is playing in a golf tournament to save an art

school so he can teach them bowling? Now you're

getting it. I invented these outdoor bowling

lanes so everyone can enjoy bowling and be outside

at the same time. All right, Toonsters, welcome

back to ToonCast. In today's episode, we're going

to be celebrating 50 years of Scooby -Doo by

kicking off a 13 -episode block dedicated to

the new series, Scooby -Doo and Guess Who? This

is a modern version of the new Scooby -Doo movies

from 1972. I'm, of course, TF2 and Mike, and

in the style of the new Scooby movies and the

Scooby -Doo and Guess Who, I'm having mystery

guests each episode, this week helping me talk

about Scooby -Doo and Guess Who, episode one,

featuring Chris Paul, is Mr. Optimus Solo. Hello,

sir. I am here. You are here, and ToonCast is

continuing. Uh, folks, I gotta say, life is gonna

be hittin' me in the nuts a lot. throughout the

rest of 2019, so the weekly thing, the daily

thing that we've been promising, that's probably

not going to happen until next year sometime.

However, because this is the 50th year of Scooby

-Doo, and we have this new series on Boomerang,

we still wanted to give you guys weekly content,

and we've got all these episodes that are coming

up. Now, when did you first hear about Scooby

-Doo and Guess Who? When it was announced. Okay.

What was your initial reaction to it? I don't

have much reaction anymore to Scooby -Doo because

there's a new thing every year. There's a new

movie. There's a new series, it seems like, every

couple years. So it's like, oh, this is what's

next. I guess my one reaction was it was cool

that it seemed like it was going back to the

13 Ghosts of Scooby -Doo or the Scooby -Doo movies

where they have the guests and stuff like that.

So I was like, oh, that's kind of... A little

cool trip down the nostalgia lane or whatever

compared to the movies that they're doing, which

are always WWE and Scooby -Doo or something like

that. Now, those are crossovers that you can

complain about. Yeah, so I guess it's better

than that, but we'll get into how it works when

we get into more of the episode. But that was

kind of my reaction was there's another spin

on it. Cool. You know, I like Mystery Inc. when

it was showing, what, like seven, eight years

ago or however long. Yep. It's been since that.

There was another series or two that came out

after that that I wasn't as big of a fan of.

So I was like, well, we'll see what this one's

like. Yeah. And for me, basically, oh, yay, modern

version of Scooby -Doo movies. Very, very cool.

Absolutely love it. And what I think is absolutely

interesting with this is, and I don't think they

did this with the original because, hello, 1972.

Technology wasn't really there to do it, I don't

think. They basically hide the guests until,

like, my Boomerang app, well, the Boomerang app

basically says, this will be revealed on this

date. So you don't actually see, like, you can

kind of tell a little bit. Like, there's an episode

in here that's, oh, of course that's Urkel, and

of course the news of it will... We'll be out

there. But for the most part, I'm perfectly happy

being surprised at who shows up. In this first

episode, we've got basketball player Chris Paul.

Okay. To set the stage, basically Chris Paul

and Shaggy know each other. And apparently Shaggy

saved his life once. Yeah, apparently he saved

his life, and apparently Chris Paul gave him

some food once. Yeah. This took me back to the

original, like the whole, oh, who's this, or

who's that, or who are we going to come up against

kind of thing. And, you know, a basketball player

who does, you know, the whole, you know, not

entrepreneurial, the whole charity thing and

whatever else, but, you know, most basketball

players are also avid golfers. So this takes

place on a mini golf course. Or not mini golf,

a regular golf course kind of thing. Yeah. And,

sorry, I was confusing it with holy moly. And

yeah, they have to basically figure out who's

trying to put a stop to this tournament because

all the tournament people are disappearing. Yeah.

It's an interesting setting because what you

have here is you have a golf course. You have

a celebrity guest that's a basketball player

and has reason for trying to solve the mystery

is because he does an outdoors bowling thing

for kids. So we have golf, bowling, and basketball.

There you go. Three sports that are on. I don't

know if that makes sense. You want to talk about

crossovers not making sense. Right there. Those

three sports. That doesn't make any damn sense

to me. Like you got Chris Paul in here and there's

no basketball to be had whatsoever. Exactly.

Kind of an odd. I mean. And then you have golf

and bowling. he does kind of work it in at the

end with the basketball. Cause he does the, the

driving golf court thing and swing. So I guess

basketball moves are in there somewhere, but

it's, it's very strange. Yeah. Too far into the,

I did want to mention that I do, you know, just

from like a standpoint where we're not talking

about the specific episode, but maybe the series

in general a little bit. I do think the intro

is good. The intro is very quick. But I think

it does a good job of just setting it up real

quick. I like the update of the song that they

do. So I think that's cool. They do reveal the

guest right at the beginning of whoever the guest

is going to be for that episode. And I do like

the visual look of the characters. I think they

do a good job with how they have stylized or

designed the characters as far as the look goes.

That's one thing. I had a problem with one of

the previous series. Those look really not in

my taste, which is fine. It doesn't have to be

my taste, but this one is more what I think of

when I think of what we do. Voice cast, obviously

it's the usual. So you don't have too much to

speak. As far as the voice cast, it's a lot of

the same voices we've heard for years, and in

Frank Welker's case, decades. Yes. So just to

run it down really quick, Frank Welker plays

Fred and Scooby because he took over the Scooby

role after a while. Gray Griffin, Gray Delisle

Griffin as Daphne. She's been Daphne for the

longest time. Sadly, it's been five years since

Casey Kasem passed away, so Matthew Lillard.

And that was one of my biggest, I have to say.

Once Casey was no longer with us, and I know

he was pretty much in retirement at that point

anyway, who was going to voice Shaggy? And for

me, and I know everyone hates the live -action

Scooby movies, but once I saw him on screen as

Shaggy and heard his voice as Shaggy, I'm like,

Matthew Lillard is the only person for me after

Casey that can voice Shaggy. And then Kate Mooch?

Makuchi as Velma. So yeah, the main cast is there.

That's the difference there is the Velma is a

new voice. Well, not a new voice, but not the

one that has been doing it for a long time. And

then you get the guests of each episode doing

their voice. And let's just say that Chris Paul

is a garbage voice actor. So that is hard to

listen to. Yeah. That's kind of just some of

my general thoughts of the show, but I mean...

Man, if you have to rely on guests, I mean, I

guess they're doing it because they're trying

to grab different audiences and they're picking

random celebrities that they think have some

sway or whatever, but God, that was painful listening

to him talk. Okay, so even though we're doing

these as surprises each time, do we want to go

through the voice cast? Because I know everybody

that I'm looking at right now. Or do we want

to just keep it a surprise each episode? Just

keep that and we'll talk about each one. Or you

can talk about each one as it comes up. But it

wasn't a great one to start with with Chris Paul.

I would just say that. The animation and the

look was fine. But the voice, he's not a good

actor. So there's that. I did like in the episode

how they kind of give the stereotypes for the

bad guys via the golf announce. Yep. And they're

like, this guy is the prototypical blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah. The greedy whatever or the

person that has a bunch of land or different

stuff like that. I thought that was kind of a

clever, almost a breaking of the fourth wall

type thing. And it saved a lot of time as far

as not having to, not insulting intelligence,

but not having to drag it out. They're just like,

this is this guy, this is this guy, this is this

guy. We also got to see Scooby as the announcer.

And that was... Some of Frank's best work as

Scooby, in my opinion. It was some of Frank's

best work, I will say that. However... As far

as Scooby goes. I'm not saying as far as Fred

or other characters. Right, right, right. Yeah,

as far as Scooby goes. But here's my biggest

problem with this series. Scooby talks too much.

He did? Talk a lot. I'm not saying Frank Welker

has to imitate Don Messick at all. Not saying

that. They're two very individual voices. They're

two very individual people. May Don Messick rest

in peace, obviously. However, when I can hear

Frank Welker in the character more than I can

hear the character, that's when I have an issue.

And throughout the rest of these episodes that

we do, that's my only main gripe with this series,

other than some of the traditional Scooby gripes

of, oh, how could they have done that? But an

actual negative gripe for me is that when Scooby

talks too much and I can hear Frank's voice more

than Scooby's voice, if he talks too long...

There were points in this episode, there were

points in other ones that I can kind of hear

a little bit of. It's not as deep because the

voice that I'm going to reference is deeper than

what he's doing with Scooby. I almost hear the

Cave of Wonders voice in my head as I'm listening

to him. So that's really my only negative. I

went into the series excited. I'm like, oh, cool.

Like I already said, it's like the original Scooby

movies. It's this, it's that, it's whatever.

And I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool. I like

all that. Hey, wait, that dog is talking way

too much. See, I kind of liked it in this episode

because Scooby never gets to do anything besides

his like, you know, like whatever. So I was like,

oh, he's actually getting some lines. And I enjoyed

that in this episode. Now I haven't watched the

other episode, so I don't know how it continues

or great on my nerves or not. But I kind of enjoyed

it for this once because I'm like, oh, Scooby's

actually getting to speak. But you do get some

classic Scooby chases where they're going in

one door, out the other door type thing. So that's

cool, I guess. They did a couple things that

I thought was somewhat interesting. One, even

though I like how they give the stereotypes of

the bad guys with the golf announcer, I don't

know if by doing that they thought that they

didn't have to interact with any of the suspects.

Because usually in these types of shows you get

some interaction with the various suspects and

it helps you trying to decide who is the bad

person. And this one, they literally never show

you any of the suspects. It's all Chris Paul

the entire time. And I think that's a mistake.

I think that's a misstep because you're doing

a mystery and you're doing a thing where we're

supposed to be like, who done it type thing.

And then I don't need to just see Chris Paul.

I needed to see him interact with the owner of

this or the other rich guy or the landowner or,

you know, whatever. I can't remember the guys

because they didn't spend any time to make that

matter to me. But I think they should have done.

more with the actual suspects. My other note,

and then I'll let you respond to either thing,

is they are choosing to date themselves a little

bit. I don't know if it's just trying to be hip

with the current times or try to strike a chord

with kids. It won't age well, though, when they're

using phrases like, that was sick advice or that's

a bomb pizza or things of that nature. So I don't

know if that's good. It's probably good in the

moment, but it's not going to sound good 10 years

from now or whatever, not that they care. Yeah.

I think it, like, yeah, some of the dialogue

is going to be a little dated, but I think for

the most part it'll be okay. It just depends

on, like, who's saying it kind of thing. You

know, I think that's what it depends on. Like,

I'm sorry. I've been out of basketball for a

long time. I mean, I've heard his name, but I

couldn't tell you what team he played for unless

he specifically said it or unless it was said.

You know, like, you put Michael Jordan in there,

you put Larry Bird in there, you put, you know,

whomever in there, sure, great, absolutely, because

that's obviously from the generation of basketball.

Like, I know no current basketball players other

than the ones that are constantly... You know

LeBron James. Well, that's what I'm saying. Other

than the ones that are constantly making the

noise, like LeBron James and Space Jam and Space

Jam 2. Oh, God. A couple other nitpicks on this

one that I had, and I won't necessarily say who

the bad person is. I don't know if we're doing

that or not, but the whodunit, the villain of

this episode, the voice absolutely does not fit

the visual of that character. First of all. I

guess we could say. Yeah. Man. Yeah. And I don't

buy the terrible explanation they give for how

he's able to do everything. Because one of the

things that they're talking about is how strong

he needs to be. And they're like, golfing makes

you freakishly strong. That has to be a joke,

but it's not funny and it's not realistic. Like,

what? Golfing makes you freakishly strong? That's

an odd thing. That doesn't explain how he was

able to do that because golfing doesn't make

you strong. So that was odd. So probably a joke

that just was over my head or I didn't land for

me, but outdoor bowling? Why would you ever want

to do an outdoor bowling thing? That makes no

sense to me at all. Yeah, I agree with you on

that. It's all probably jokes and it's all probably

funny to people, but I was just like, well, this

is odd. This is odd. Why would we say that golfing

makes you freakishly strong? I know I'm being

so nitpicky stupid right now as far as like,

old man, get off my lawn type thing, but those

are the things that didn't work for me. Yeah,

and I agree. Outdoor bowling is a little nuts.

I will say that it is all to help the center,

the children's home or the children's... Most

of those are nitpicks. My only real gripe with

it is, again, Did not spend nearly enough time

with any suspects. Yeah. And I find that problematic

when you're doing this type of show. Yeah, I'm

very true. I get they wanted to focus on Chris

Paul, but he could have been interacting with

some of the suspects instead of just with the

mystery gang. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree

with you there. Based on this episode, what is

your thoughts? Did you enjoy this episode overall?

Because it was new to me, I had not... Obviously,

it's a new series. It's the first of a new series.

And obviously, these are all going to be individual

things. But I kind of dug it when I first watched

it. I've watched it like four times in total.

Because... I've been trying to get this thing

recorded for, like, months now, folks. But it's

one of those things where when I first watched

it, when I first heard about the series and I

first sat down to watch it, I'm like, okay. Cool.

Cool. I like that. I think that's interesting.

I like the fact that Shaggy and Scooby and the

entire mystery gang have lives other than, like...

You don't know me so well as you think you do.

Shaggy, you saved his life. Something else happened

to these characters besides just solving mysteries.

I like that. I'm not necessarily a fan of Chris

Paul. Because again, like I already said, I don't

really know the guy. So I couldn't get too excited

for the guest. But overall, I thought it was

a good start. I mean, I like all the super tertiary

stuff, I guess. I like the intro. I like the

song. I like how they reveal the guests. I like

the look of the characters. I like the voice

cast. I like some of the nostalgic things that

they're doing. I think when it came down to the

meat and potatoes of the episode, for me, though,

it missed. Yeah. I mean, I think it was like

five or... Because these are... We should also

say this. surprised me. These are 22 -minute

episodes. These are 30 -minute shows, essentially.

Obviously, 22 minutes because it's on Boomerang.

There's no ads. You know, whatever. But it's

one of those things where these are a standard

30 -minute animated show. This isn't like a 10

-minute animated short or whatever that kind

of thing is. Probably about five minutes before

the episode was going to end, I immediately knew

it was the damn caddy. Because they kept mentioning

The point in the episode where the caddy goes

up to, oh, gee, Mr. Rogers, you're the best,

and I want to strive to be just like you. Well,

it had to be because he's the only person they

gave any time to after these. Right, right, exactly.

He's the only not -Chris Paul, not -mystery gang

that gets a single second, besides the little

kids. Yeah. The only other person that it could

even close, they kind of show the teacher for

a minute. Yeah. The runner or the secretary or

superintendent or who I don't even know what

her position was, but she seems somewhat in charge.

But they show like the random three bad guys,

quote unquote bad guys, suspects at the beginning

that they do the funny thing to. Then they never

show them again. Really? And then they show that

old lady two or three times and the caddy two

or three times. Yeah. Like you need to do more

to mask who it is. Yeah. In my opinion. I know

it's a kid's show, but I still want to not be

able to process of elimination. Well, this is

the only person that had a scene, so it has to

be him. Yeah, that could use some work. So for

those that don't remember here on ToonCast, or

at least when we were doing ToonCast Beyond,

when Optimus Solo came up with the new format,

we have this thing called How the Show Stacks

Up. I took one of these. There were originally

four questions in here. I took one of them out

because it doesn't make any damn sense to this

specific series. How does the show compare to

other shows within the same franchise? Okay,

so 50 years of Scooby -Doo. Obviously, this is

a direct kind of homage to the original new Scooby

movies. But just based on this first episode,

how do you feel? The overall premise of the series,

how do you feel it stacks up with Be Cool Scooby

-Doo, or like you mentioned earlier, Scooby -Doo

Mystery Inc., or even the original from 1969?

I would take some of the classic ones from the

70s, maybe even 80s over it. I would probably

take Mystery Inc. over it. I didn't watch enough

of Be Cool Scooby -Doo because it just didn't

do anything for me. For me, this is kind of like...

Just based on one episode, I would put it, at

this moment, right in the middle of the pack.

It's not going to be in my top couple series.

It's not probably the worst I've seen. Yeah,

for me, I'm right there with you. Obviously,

the original Scooby -Doo from 1969 is the best

version of it, at least. Even the closest ones

to it, like the Scooby -Doo movies, right now

are better than this. Yeah. Based on just one

episode. Yeah. How does it stack up against shows

in the same genre? Well, it's animation. Scooby's

almost his own genre. There are some other mystery

shows out there, but there's not very many. So

there's not a lot to stack it up against. Back

in the day, there would have been a lot to go

up against because in the late... mid late 70s

early 80s there was a lot of of gangs of people

that were solving mysteries or solving crimes

or stuff like that but that has really become

somewhat of a thing of the past or even scooby

has almost come to monopolize that genre so there's

not a lot to compare to today that's very true

Alright, so we're going to enter the GCR Universal

Rating System 0 -5. I will have the rating system

link in the podcast episode description, folks,

so you can go and see how our ratings are described

and things like that. For me, I'm probably going

to give this first episode, I hate to do this,

but it's probably a 2 .5 out of 5 for me. Yeah,

I would probably be somewhere real close to that,

like two, two and a half, somewhere in there.

It has potential to be better. Yes, absolutely.

Better story writing. Better story writing and

better guests. Which better guests are coming?

When and where. It's on Boomerang. It's on the

Boomerang app. That's pretty much where it is,

folks. I don't believe they're showing it on

Cartoon Network or anywhere else like that. It

is exclusive to the Boomerang streaming app.

And as I said earlier, they reveal the new guest

each week. So there's that. I wonder if this

would ever hit DVD. I mean, I know DVDs kind

of antiquated at this point. It'll hit disc at

some point. At some point, yeah. It'll probably

hit it within the next six to eight months. Yeah,

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our 13... episode arc for Scooby Doo and Guess

Who what are your final words on this episode

and so far for the series this episode I wouldn't

say is a great episode for me I think it leaves

some to be desired but I wouldn't write off the

series based on just this episode I think there's

enough that's working for it that with the The

right guest, the right mystery, and a little

bit more on the suspects and a little bit less

on the guest focus, that it has potential. So

I wouldn't stop watching it based on this episode,

but I wouldn't recommend this episode to many

people either. Yeah. And I'll say this, folks.

This is not a series that is continuity -driven.

So you can watch these however you want to. These

are single -episode things. They're not all super

interconnected or anything like that, so... There

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