Jason Devall on Toy Collecting Origins and the Changing Toy Industry

Hi, this is Dan Gilbazan, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Jazz here, and

I am so digging the Geekcast Radio Network. Cliffjumper,

commence countdown. Five, four, three. Hello

and welcome to an all -new generation of Toycast

as we get the origins of any and all toy fans

that we can. I'm of course TF2 and Mike and joining

me is Josh the floor burger. Hello, sir. Hey

floor burger is in the grill. There you go. Today's

guest is a little mermaid loving, Teddy Ruck's

been talking, puppet creating toy enthusiast

who at this point has that old toy smell. It

is Mr. Jason DeVall. I do smell at my age, this

is true. Damn it. You've made me cry twice in

in the last decade. I had to work in TNT s somewhere.

So yeah, I know us Yeah, I know it's uh, it's

been a it's been a wild ride, man. It's been

it's been fun Yes, it has obviously Jason is

created along with Dave Draper toy world order

Dave into balls toys and collectibles, which

is still going. Yes So there is that new toy

smell with the pixel Dan Erdly Mm -hmm co -created

pop culture network with a whole gaggle of people.

Mm -hmm. I've been around the block. I've been

used to be used. Uh -huh Yep Hey, at least I

didn't call you a pink ranger this time That's

true That's true But to be fair what's wrong

with being a pink ranger? Yeah, I mean let's

just put it this way if I had a flying pterodactyl

and a bow and arrow that I could pull out of

thin air. I'd be down. I'd wear pink for that.

That's true. I would, too. I'd be like, yeah.

So Kevin Costner in Power Rangers as the Waterworld

character. Got it. All right, Josh, take it away

with the first five questions. OK, we're going

to take you back way, way back on this first

question. Way, way, way back. So what is or was

the first toy you remember having? as a kid so

it would have been 1980 late 83 I was in a k

-mart with my grandfather here in Springfield

and I remember him telling me you can get two

toys so go pick something out and there was an

end cap and on the end cap there was nothing

but He -Man and Skeletor figures that much much

like today's current retail situation where there's

nothing but He -Man and Skeletor but back in

83 human and Skelter were the only two figures

you could find right away and then they slowly

like They you know over the next couple of months

back then before 84 the Christmas season They

added a bunch more but human and Skelter were

the first two figures I ever owned I ever remember

getting I have pictures of be getting toys at

an earlier age But human and Skelter are the

two that I vividly remember holding both of them

in my hand and my grandfather buying them for

me What's That that's incredible. I mean, I I

think when that came out There was just so much

about those toys that I think I'd still buy them

now I mean I did just recently buy human and

Skeletor a couple. Yeah about a year ago now

so you mentioned You know you had a supportive

adult who was with you during that time Was there

a particular adult who was supportive of you

playing with toys as a kid? Was there anybody

who was unsupportive? No, I don't well, so it's

it's I had a I'm sure just like many people I

I had a I was you know born to a single mother

She was not married. She had me when she was

24. I just turned 44 So she just turned 64 this

year, but she had me when she was 24 You know,

she was living with my my grandparents her parents

and her little sister Eventually, she you know,

she she got married to my then stepfather I as

a kid. No, I didn't really never had any anybody

really trying to like Nudge me away from toys.

I mean in the 80s, you know, it was that was

an acceptable thing for kids, you know, we have

internet we didn't have We did we had cable but

we didn't have like, you know Before the NES

came out. We really didn't have a whole lot of

great video games to play So you weren't wasting

time you were outside playing with your friends

or playing, you know action figures on somebody's

porch or in the backyard or playing with mask

toys in a sandbox. As I got older though, it

became more of my stepfather trying to push me

to like, trying to get me to fix cars and do

all this stuff. And he didn't understand why

I wanted to read comic books and play with collect

toys. And I wasn't a great looking kid growing

up. So I never really had a girlfriend until

late into my teen years and for the longest time.

He was like, I always thought you were gay. I'm

like, oh, thanks, thanks a lot. Appreciate that.

That's always great to hear from somebody that's

raised you most of your life. Cool, thank you.

I don't know where you got that. I've never given

off that vibe, but awesome. Not that there's

anything wrong with that, but it was just the

way he presented it to me that I was like, oh,

okay then. Well, screw you too, I guess. Well,

and I think we'll speak to that a little bit

later in a later question. in regards to what

toys sort of mean to our generation versus the

previous generation. But I think we've all dealt

with that one adult who's like, why are you still

interested in these childlike things? Be more

like me. Be more of an asshole like me, please.

Yeah, pretty much. That's what my stepfather

was like. He loved my mother. They got along

for 17 years. And he just, he never... He raised

daughters like before he married my mother. He

had another marriage. He had three daughters

You know how to deal with a son especially didn't

know how to deal with a son who didn't want to

do anything with cars or Construction or you

know, this is the stuff that he did in his you

know spare time and I'm like I don't want to

do any of that I just want to watch movies and

hang out and play with my toys and read these

comic books and it's always such a challenge

because sometimes adults really see the behavior

of their children as a reflection on them, so

in a weird sort of way, even though he was really

bad at it, that's him trying to say, hey, I'm

trying to connect with you, but he obviously

didn't figure it out. Well, but he never, that's

the thing though, is I got older and the more

I talked to my mother, he never really tried

to connect with me. That's the difference. My

stepfather never went out of his way to try to

have some kind of connection with me. Um, he

and I were always, especially as I got older,

uh, into my teenage years and stuff, I was never

a bad kid. Like my mother would even tell you,

I never really gave them any problems, you know,

but my stepfather and I would butt heads because,

you know, I would forget to take the trash out

and I'd had to go to work and I'd come home from

work without taking the trash out. And instead

of him just being pissed off and take the trash

out, he literally would walk downstairs, take

the trash back, cut it open and dump it on my

bed. Okay, so that is what we call a Unhealthy

adult behavior. Yes very much so um Yeah, he

so cut the cut the power cord on my television

one time on a TV. I bought with my own money

It's it's so It's pretty crazy. I I don't want

to say that I had a super insane like childhood

and teenage years I really did but it was Moments

like that like my mom would defend me because

she's like you didn't do anything. Why are you

being such a dick? But it's just it was a really

weird. It was a really weird Person for me to

grow up around and I'm really sorry to hear that.

I mean, that's that's And I appreciate it, but

I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me Like

that's not stop. That's not the point of telling

these tales It's just like this This is to give

you a better idea of who I am and why I ended

up being the way I am to a degree because it

was like A lot of it was just was like well.

I don't I don't really want to connect with you

either old man So cool, you know and and I do

think that sometimes I know for me to degree

part of my collecting and even this continued

Fascination with toys and comic books and all

that stuff is almost in would you say it's a

little bit in defiance of No, it's not okay.

It's not so much in defiance I don't know where

your questions are going to lead, so I don't

know how much - All sorts of places. I'm going

off right now. That's not what defined my collecting.

It was a number of things because there was a

number of years as I got to be 13, 14 years old

and into high school, I got more into reading.

I got into reading horror novels and started

going to the movies a lot and I didn't Toys were,

I still had toys, but by that point, by the time

I had turned 13, I had lost everything that I

owned toy -wise in a flood downstairs in the

basement we lived in. The sub pump backed up

and it was water from floor to ceiling downstairs.

And everything I had down there, Sektars, Masters

of the Universe, G .I. Joe, my Transformers,

GoBots, all of it, it was ruined. Sektars, I

placed that, just destroyed. I had a lot of stuff

and it was all gone. I still had some stuff upstairs,

but it was mostly like Ninja Turtles, stuff like

that that was newer. But I kind of stopped dealing

with toys at that point, got more into horror

novels and movies and reading. Comic books became

really big right around that time because Death

of Superman happened around that time, 93, 94.

I started buying comic books because the comic

book store I was going to Subscribers got all

their comics half off. So it was like you were

buying, you know for 30 bucks a week You were

buying this ridiculous stack of comics. So I

was buying pretty much everything on the shelf

at that point. So So quite a small shift because

you did mention you lost a lot of toys in a flood

Yeah, you listed off a pretty good who's who

of toys at the time but In terms of the types

of toys to play with, what were some of your

favorites to play with? I loved G .I. Joe when

I was younger. So my mom worked at the mall here

in Springfield, White Oaks Mall, which is still

around surprisingly. It's still in business,

which is crazy to me. But she worked next door

to, at the time, was Circus World because there

was a Circus World and then right above it on

the next level was the KB Toys. So she worked.

right next door to the circus world and she would

every year for my birthday for christmas she

literally would go into those stores and buy

whole lines of stuff because it would be clear

and stop by that point um you know back then

they would clear stuff out real quick so i got

a wide array of of a lot of fun stuff you know

check the worst credit commandos were always

a lot of fun to me sectars were i loved sectors

uh it's a line that i i regret not collecting

uh you know, not getting into the full line to

collect them, you know, seven, eight years ago,

because now they're just they're too pricey to

even think about at this point. You know, I had

a lot of fun stuff that was really cool. Yeah,

sectors, Joe's, Joe's played a big part of that

in my childhood, because I had a neighbor friend

who was four years younger than me. I was eight.

He was four. And we played the snot out of GI

Joe's because he got every GI Joe that came out

like every year. His parents were Were rich for

the neighborhood and they bought him so much

stuff There's always that one kid in the neighborhood

who had the best of the best. Yes. Yes very much

so So again, we kind of went through a nice list

You mentioned a lot of stuff. Was there any particular

toy that stood out more than any others? Were

there any that you felt are the most memorable?

I think we all have those on our shelf currently

but for you, what was it? Castle Grayscale was

memorable to me. I got it the you know, I got

it for Christmas the year it came out So that

that holds a strong place in my heart As a very

strong memory the sectors line the whole line,

you know, I mean it was it was it was unique

I don't know if Boglins had come out by the time

Sectars came out or Boglins followed, but I remember

Sectars being super unique because they were

hand puppets basically. All the insects were

hand puppets and that was amazing to me. I thought

that was the coolest thing as a kid. Much like

our buddy Pixel Dan, anything to do with slime

when I was a kid was huge. I loved slime boys.

Not so much now, because I'm like, that stuff's

messy, I don't want to mess with it anymore.

But, you know, that kind of stuff is what I have

the most memory of Chuck. Like I mentioned Chuck

Norris credit commandos, like I said, my mom

got whole lines of stuff on clearance, and Chuck

Norris was one of those lines, and I had the

car, I had every figure, all in, you know, boom,

one Christmas, here's everything, and you're

like, well, this is the greatest thing ever.

So yeah, that's those that line holds a really

special place, but those are the memories I have

the most about that stuff is is having those

you know, I meant GI Joe the Not the mauler but

the the green tank and I can never remember its

name the motorized one They were this thing one.

No, the very first GI Joe tank they released

it was motorized. It was a Joe vehicle. It was

an actual tank I cannot remember the name. It's

not the mauler Mobaq It might be the MOBAT. The

Motorized Battleship. I got that for Christmas

one year and I loved the heck out of that thing

until it broke. So to kind of connect to that

as well, we talked a lot about a wide variety

of different items just a moment ago and I've

been in your basement and you have a ton of stuff.

Yes, you had to provide a label. Would you prefer

the label of action figures dolls or toys or

other labels when you're referring to? Primarily

the stuff on your shelves at the far end of your

basement. I guess we could say I just I just

refer to myself as a toy collector. Okay You

know and People is asthma what kind of toys and

I tell them it's everything it's boys. It's boys

stuff. It's girls stuff It's stuffed animals.

It's Disney. It's You know, it's it's it's pbc.

It's smurfs like stuff like it's it's just this

massive array of adhd interests that you could

ever have like It's like new shiny thing. Let's

get all of that So you kind of just answered

this other sort of pocket question that we had

sure of how would you describe your collecting

style and I think You know Yeah, it's an ADHD

thing is is an interesting way to describe it

because like I said, I didn't start out collecting

toys as I got older it was comic books and I

had you know when I sold my comic collection

I had somewhere between I Couldn't tell you if

17 and 23 thousand books something like that

by the time I sold them It was a lot of books

and it wasn't just new stuff or 90 stuff It was

I had bought a lot of back issues and and had

runs of stuff and it was it was pretty impressive

for you know, I was when I sold it I was 28 29

You know, but I started as a comic collector

and it kind of transmorphed into Toy collecting

and movie posters. I still have I probably have

three or four hundred movie posters That no one

ever sees because they're just they're rolled

up and put away because there's nowhere to put

up. I Do want to point out Blanchard? I do have

a water world movie banner poster that is just

waiting to be put up Deval has seen it. Yes,

I have but it's ridiculous. I think one of the

reasons why I sort of Just I guess for lack of

a better term got drawn to Torvald order and

you and Dave When I started seeing your collection

in your style, you were bringing up toys that

I knew, but maybe nobody else did. You liked

the obscure stuff. You liked the stuff that maybe

not everybody appreciated, like the island of

misfit, obscure, clearanced out toys. And a lot

of that goes back to Danny and I's run on that

toy smell, because Danny was doing videos before

we did that new toy smell, and he was doing videos

for He -Man .org. Like he had done the mini the

mini versions of human and Skeletor at that point

you're talking this was 2007 2006 2007 and I

remember watching those and going these are amazing

because he would show him to me I was like I

want to do this. This is cool And that's what

we got us started We started making lists of

all these toy lines that we knew we loved and

that's where you know The food fighters and all

that stuff comes from for us But yeah, it became

when we started, you know That was the thing

we wanted to point out these not the more like

we never if you notice that new toy small I don't

think we ever did a GI Joe episode or any like

major Toy line except for some master stuff.

Like there was never I don't think there was

a Transformers episode. That's cuz Danny hates

Transformers He says that but don't let it only

fool you he's got a triptych on that he loves

but you know we wanted to stray away from the

more widely known stuff and focus on the oddball

stuff and we kind of continue that with that

new toy smell too but as that new toy smell evolved

from what it started out as into what it had

become with Dave and I just basically doing videos

on whatever the hell we wanted to do toy wise

you know it became something much different and

Dave and I's and even Danny and I's performance

styles like we're not Danny these days is himself

in those videos like if you've ever both of you

have met Danny, yeah That what you've seen the

videos with Dan is is what you get a hundred

percent real life and it's not fake That's that's

who Dan is 24 hours a day seven days a week.

He is that person He is that excited to talk

about toys. He loves it to this day But when

we did that new toy small and even when Dave

and I do toy world order videos like we're not

playing ourselves we're playing versions of ourselves

since you know Danny Danny still wrestles I wrestled

for you know almost 10 years and we just use

that wrestling that the basic idea of a wrestling

persona where it's yourself cranked up to 11

and just you know we played this these great

versions of ourselves that we just thought were

entertaining to us and we figured well somebody

else will find it entertaining That's kind of

what Dave and I do these days. Somebody left

a message on one of our YouTube videos talking

about, you guys have always been great. Sometimes

I wish Dave wasn't so angry. I'm like, you realize

that we've never made it a secret. We're not

playing ourselves. We're literally playing characters.

That's who Dave and I are. Dave is not really

like that in real life. Yes, Dave is a grump,

but he is not that grumpy all the time. Dave's

not as grumpy as I am. He is he's a big Dave's

got a heart of gold and he if he likes you and

he loves you He would do anything for you and

he just on camera. It's more fun for him to play

The the disgruntled old man to my idiot because

it you know, it works so well. So yeah, it works

So well, that's the whole point and that chemistry

has been absolutely infectious. I have to say

just I am and that's not even something that's

fake like Dave and I just love the hell out of

each other and it's so much fun to sit down and

like you know every week we sit down and talk

and you know we talk before we start recording

but you know on on mic when we sit down to talk

it's just it's more fun to bust each other's

chops and and to discuss these weird things and

you know get off on tangents because it's just

it's enjoyable for us. Absolutely. Speaking of

tangents, we're going to get right back into

the scheme of things. We're going to have Mr.

Blanchard here. He's going to jump back into

our script. But I love these side questions we've

had so far. Absolutely. Well, we need the history

of Deval, and we're definitely going to get the

puppets history a little bit later. So this is

like the oral history. Well, I mean, we spent,

what, two and a half hours with Dave in episode

106. So I mean, we need five. No, I I don't know

if Deval can handle five hours of himself sometimes

no Good guys are bad guys, which toys were your

favorites to play with the most I Like both of

them. I know it's a cop -out question, but it's

not like I I preferred one over the other like

I always thought Like with masters, I always

thought the villains were way cooler than the

heroes But I loved the heroes because I loved

characters like ram man and moss man But I loved

the hell out of stink or and like terror claw

Skeletor was always amazing to me as a kid You

know the battle armor figures were great the

Joes and Cobras they always we always had like

You know line jumpers where they'd be like, I'm

gonna be Cobra today So I never really had like

a strong preference of I like the good guys Don't

buy me the bad guys because to me that wasn't

how you played back then like you had to have

bad guys To fight the good guys so you had to

get both of them. So you learn to appreciate

both You know both both avenues there. Yeah Did

you keep the bad guy like so I remember bringing

up in a previous one for me Did you keep the

bad guys at an even playing field or did you

sometimes like some kids have more good guys

than bad guys? Bad guys had to be overpowered.

I think it always depended. It depended on what

we were playing. You know, the Joes always outnumbered

the Cobras. So the Joes were always going to

win. Like when you played Voltron like I don't

know you couldn't do a whole lot So you had to

find other things to stand in for monsters for

Voltron? Because they didn't make big monsters

for the panache place Voltron stuff. So you just

had the little figures and it's like I well fine

Here here's a you know Here's a big giant robotic

robot that can be his villain now. So Voltron

can fight the Decepticons any day. Just saying.

Back then, before Tripticon, there wasn't a Decepticon

big enough to deal with Voltron. Because the

planache plays Voltron, and even the matchbox

Voltron is huge. What about Devastator? Devastator

is too small. Even next to the matchbox Voltron,

he's still tiny. Wow. Damn. Alright. You mentioned

earlier that Castle Grayskull was your favorite

playset. So what is or was your favorite toy

vehicle? I think if I had to go to a favorite

toy vehicle, it would probably be Chuck Norris,

Karate Commandos, his Karate Corvette. I still

love the hell out of that thing. I think it's

still it's a fascinating piece. I have seen the

prototype for that up close. Which is kind of

cool this, you know, because it's the heavy it's

pretty much the same thing But still it's just

like they have the prototype like right there

in front of you was neat But I love the hell

out of that car I think it's it's still just

a ridiculously stupid vehicle and I love the

heck out of a blades come out the side in the

front Freaking ninja stars can be flipped off

the back. It's so freakin cool. I actually think

Did you get that in a King County? Um, you know,

I don't remember where I know I've got the box

for it So I may have I bought it boxed and opened

it There was a King County that I feel like that

I was at I saw it Walked past it a few times

finally decided to make the jump on it and it

was gone Yeah, you like you posted that you got

it in one of your hall videos or something possible

I'd have to go back because you think about how

many hall videos I did for King County over the

years It's like I don't know which one that would

be in. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we don't need to

track it down, but I'm just like For something

it's very possible. It was either King County.

It was a toy man, but I am pretty sure it was

King County And I'm pretty sure I didn't spend

more than 20 bucks on it. Wow. That's why I finally,

finally made the decision. So you figure it's

like, you know, that was probably seven years

ago, eight years ago. Sounds right. Feels right.

Yeah. So the price is backed in. We're super

low. Now, if you tried to buy one of those benton

box, you're not going to buy it for 20 bucks.

I'd say that much. Nope. Not at all. Did you

and your friends ever pretend with your toys

that you had by this? I mean, did you say I'm

gonna be this toy and I'm gonna be that toy and

whatever You know, I don't I don't recall a hundred

percent. I don't recall ever I remember more

my friend Darrell and I playing superheroes and

like it's not a toy story so much but you know

making costumes for ourselves and then Pretending

like you know, we're playing in the backyard

and we jump on the clothesline and swing from

it And as we land like we strip our clothes off

and underneath our costumes and we go find out

stuff You know that that kind of stuff I remember

but when it comes to toys it was never My toy

play pattern was never like I'm gonna be this

person and you're gonna be that person like it

never Never went that way. It was always just

like we'll play Joe's. Yeah, let's play Joe's

cool What features define a good toy to you?

How true does the item feel in comparison to

the source material likenesses? You know, that's

that's a rough question because I think it's

you know While it's very well different for everyone,

especially for me. It's like that what you I

don't think you can really nail down what constitutes

As as you know as a good toy like there's so

many bad toys out there that are actually really

good toys Look at something like food fighters

when food fighters came out. It was a terrible

toy line did not sell well Everyone thought it

was dumb and now it's very beloved and very cool

and not because it's nostalgic people are like

This line is actually really neat. It's way ahead

of its it was way ahead of its time So I think

it's it's it's less about You know like today

with like NECA making you know or or super seven

doing these ultimates figures Yeah, they're cool,

but they don't really constitute a really good

toy just because they have all this articulation

and stuff. It's more about what, it's more about

in the eyes of the beholder. If you look at something

and go, that's a really cool toy. I mean, eventually

you'll find somebody that agrees with you 100

% on that fact. As for, what was the second part

of the question? It's, you know, does the, how

true does the item feel in comparison to the

source material? If we're talking about vintage

toys, none of those toys in the old days were

Nowhere that they were nowhere close to being

to being identical to the source material except

for one toy line. And that's Schaper's Filmation

Ghostbusters line. That's the only toy line I

remember in the 80s. And maybe Galoob's Inspector

Gadget doll that came out. But the Schaper Filmation

Ghostbusters line, even today you look at it

and go, that's one of the most accurately Produce

toy lines that looks and feels like the animated

show Those characters look exactly like they're

supposed to I know people would probably argue

with the real Ghostbusters. Well, no, they they

don't though They don't look anything like their

cartoon counterparts. They're you know GI Joes,

you know the Joes came first before the cartoon.

So everything was modeled from the toy to the

cartoon. So you can't really Go that way you

know uh mask was kind of the same way pretty

much a lot of that stuff was yeah the toys came

first and then the cartoons yeah yeah yeah so

it was you know but scapers from mission ghostbusters

you know that that cartoon came first and they

designed the toy line shortly after the cartoon

debuted to have that stuff out it was you know

they were already working on it but they worked

off You know all the character models for the

show and everything in that everything in there

is accurate Like even that goes command playset

is is completely accurate To what they portrayed

in the show for a lot of it. I mean the Skelevator

You know the ghost buggy transforms, which is

you know for an 80 a toy from 86 85 86 it's that's

an amazing accomplishment. That toy is as a stunning

stunning piece of art Yeah, yeah it is What does

toy packaging have to have to draw you in so

whether you're a kid or an adult you go into

a toy store Let's say you go into a defunct now

defunct toy store And you look at whatever you're

gonna look at. What is the packaging have to

have? What does it have? What does it say to

you? I want that, you know, it's weird. I know

he's I loved the you know, I still love to this

day the The artwork on vintage toy boxes the

painted artwork, especially the master stuff

the hand -painted like Norman stuff and all that

this stuff's amazing but for me as a kid, it

wasn't the packaging that grabbed me it had to

be if it was a figure and it was You know, it

was this package so you can see the figure, you

know I looked at the figure and then I would

grab the box or the package and turn around to

look at the back to see things in more detail

like That's how I selected toys when I was younger.

The packaging wasn't what grabbed me. It was

the actual toy. On GIGO vehicles, the front of

the box was usually a driver and artwork. And

then you would flip the box around to see specs

on the toy itself. And that's what I wanted to

see. I was like, what does it actually look like?

Because that's what I want to know. All right.

Well, we kind of already know this one. But.

Do you open your toys or do you leave them packaged?

If you keep toys packaged, do you have any specific

criteria for that? You know, when Carrie and

I moved into this house going on almost 12 years

ago now, I had a bunch of stuff that was meant

in package. You know, I had a whole, I had a

loose and a boxed collection of Brave Star complete.

I had Bunch of stuff that was boxed that we kind

of you know We decorated we kind of moved stuff

around and and made room and I made the bay back

before the basement was full of stuff It was

just you know, the smattering of things that

I liked and look really cool Eventually, like

I wanted to do boxed and loose for everything

and I realized real quick that that that dream

was not gonna become a reality Because there's

just not enough room. So I made the decision

to start I literally would find vintage packaged

items and open them so I knew I was getting 100

% complete best quality piece to to display so

I open everything like if I Yeah, I'm sure it's

gonna piss a lot of people off to hear that but

I all the vintage toys that I own probably 60

% of what I own downstairs is stuff that I bought

on package in box open to display which Let that

piss people off. But the one thing we say Is

it's not uncommon for people who want good collections

to do that? I did that with several toys and

a lot of it was and a lot of it was it came down

to like for instance I have to look this up over

talking because I'm like crap with the hell's

his name in the in the in the kidder swamp thing

line, you know, there was a great line very short

-lived but There was I noticed as I was buying

stuff, you know, you could find most of the figures

complete And you could get them for a decent

price But I kept noticing there was one figure

in particular that I never could find Complete

I couldn't find the accessory for him. It was

driving me bonkers I could not for the life of

me Get him complete And it's one of the one of

the villains and I still can't find his name.

I know who you're referring to It has like a

little green like bug pump thing. Yes and that

you know and that was That was something weed

killer. Yeah weed killer. Thank you I looked

and looked and looked for weed killer complete

and I could not find him because people the little

The little accessory that he comes with is the

most inane little just piece of crap. Like it

doesn't look like anything. I mean, it looks

like a bug a bug pump sprayer, but if you just

looked at it and you were like, well, that's

garbage. You just throw it away and I'm pretty

sure it's what happened to 90 % of these things.

They just threw him away because they're like,

uh, so I had to buy one of those on car to open

it to have complete. Same thing with with the

rebels power Lords. I had to buy a number of

those on card to open them because you couldn't

find them complete. You could not find, you just

couldn't find certain things for them and it

got really frustrating. Like, trying to find

PsyDot's accessories were annoying. Ray Goth,

trying to find his gun, when you see the gun

up close and look at it, it literally just looks

like a chrome piece of plastic. It does look

like a gun, but if you'd had ever seen it, you'd

have been like, I don't know what that goes to.

I need to tossed it. So, you know, that was that

was one of those things where it's like, I need

to buy that on card because that's the only way

I'm going to get it complete. But you can also

guarantee by buying things on card that you're

going to have it in the best condition. Well,

you can, but not always, you know, when it comes

to something like, you know, like Kenner's Robocop

line. Oh, oh, yes. Yeah, that stuff all used

VAC metal. And as it ages, the vac metal just

flakes off. And I had to buy three of the RoboCycles

in a box to get one good one that still had all

of the vac metal on it. Because when I would

open the other two and pull them out, it was

the motorcycle, and at the bottom of the bag

was just this pile of dust. And I remember you

buying one at Kane County, opening it up later

on to find out it was dust, and that was one

that I also almost bought. Yes, it was gone when

I came back. So I found out who got it. There's

this weird dynamic of you almost take a risk

at times, especially buying blind box things

like that, where you can't see the item inside

because you run the risk of it being. Is it in

good shape inside there or has time not been

kind? You know, the Crystal Ice Castle is a perfect

example of that, where people were buying those

mitten box like seven eight years ago and by

having to buy the minted box only to find out

when they open it that it was just shattered

like it's in a million pieces inside that box

because that plastic is so fragile that you really

don't ever know what you're going to get when

you do that so it's it becomes a risk too of

do i do this or do i just try to find a loose

one that is in good shape you know yeah absolutely

all right josh take it away Technical difficulties.

Let's move on shall we? Question 12, sir. Mr.

Duvall. Yes as a kid you are only allowed to

choose one toy franchise to collect from one

and you could get the entire line Which one would

you choose and why? Masters of the universe Just

because that's that is the the toy line that

you know, I grew up with most you know That is

the one that I remember fondly I have a deep

love for I don't have a deep is a passionate

love for it as somebody like early does Or a

number of people but that's the one that I have,

you know that that gives me the best The best

feelings as an adult was master universe. I loved

that line. I still love that line I still think

it's one of the the shining examples of how to

produce a toy line for kids So now as an adult

collector, especially looking back based on what

you just said especially in how retail stores

now are seeing a greater influx of lines that

are blurring that line between vintage and modern.

Looking back at about the 30 or 40 years, do

you prefer vintage toys or modern toys? We don't

have to get into the dictionary definition of

vintage, but do you prefer vintage or modern

toys? I guess it depends on what it is. I stopped

buying modern toys. Although I say stopped, I

didn't really stop. I still buy modern transformers,

usually G1 inspired transformers or stuff that

has to do with the animated movie, stuff like

the Masters Universe WWE stuff I bought. But

if I had to choose, it was always more vintage

for me because it was more about the hunt. And

and walking down an aisle at a toy show and finding

something that you're like, well, that's really

cool. I got to own that So it would definitely

be vintage But there are still some modern toys

that I still will go out of my way to try to

find Just because of what they are and what they

represent which is interesting because a lot

of those modern toys like you said are a Direct

remake or homage to a vintage toy. So it's sort

of like you're getting the best of both worlds.

Yeah Okay another random side question I do want

to ask have you ever been to a toy show where

you found something on the table that Was vintage

but you didn't know what it was and you decided

to buy it just because it was awesome Honestly,

no and it's because I Spent a lot of my teenage

years Before really the advent of the internet

the internet was there but it wasn't you know,

it wasn't what it is today I would buy every

toy book that came out. So Tom art's action figure

encyclopedias I bought a lot of a lot of the

girl collector books that would come out of the

time like Barbies and stuff like that GI Joe,

you know the the stuff on the 60s Joe line and

that I did a lot of you know a lot of research

Reading just everything I could get my hands

on. So there hasn't really been Other than the

oddball strange like knockoff line There really

is not a lot out there that I can't look at and

go. Oh, it's from that line Just because of of

and not just that but because now that you know

the Internet's a thing and We've done so much

research over the years on all of these weird

oddball lines that lead you down these rabbit

holes to these websites that you find all this

other stuff about and meeting people like I you

know, I really have this this this knowledge

of of toy lines and and Things related to them

to pretty much be able to tell you oh, yeah That's

from from this or that they did that because

of this, you know And and that's not you bragging

in the least bit And I'm saying that very seriously

like that's not I know you and I know that you

are not bright You do have that knowledge. Yeah

a great example is you have a fantastic episode

of your your podcast where you have like 30 or

40 obscure toys that you go through and I think

you knew most of them that was our 300th episode

200 I think 200. Yeah 200 because you interviewed

us for the 300th. Yeah. Yeah, it was the 200th.

It was me Dave Pixel Dan and our buddy Dave gall

and I just compiled this list of stuff that they

hadn't even heard of that I was like I want to

talk about this stuff It's really I would argue

one of the best episodes you guys ever did because

there's just so much content and I know I had

to add every one of those links to the story

and I'm like this sucks. Why did I do this? still

a great a great source if anybody really wants

to hear about a Lot of wonderful toys. I appreciate

it was a lot of fun to do I mean, you've done

a lot of great episodes I think that's one of

the best because it's about three hours also,

so it's good for me when I'm driving but yeah,

um, so This is a big question kind of Not even

yet in the middle of our questioning. So if we

want to break this up into pieces, we can do

part one of this answer But do you feel you're

coming to an end of your active? Collecting and

if so, what signified that phase for you? No

break this up into parts if you want right now,

I think So, I don't know if I'm sure we'll talk

about it more in depth later but you know, I

had made the decision to sell my collection and

not just like a portion of it like All of it,

say for a handful of stuff that I was keeping

that meant something to me personally. The thing

is, is that even though I am selling this massive

amount of stuff, it's not going to stop me from

buying. There's still stuff that I'm looking

for of certain things. You know, Carrie and I,

my wife, we still go to antique stores and flea

markets and we still love to shop. Like we...

You know, a couple of weeks after I had made

this decision to sell this collection, we for

our birthday weekend, we went to some antique

malls in El Paso, Illinois, just because we hadn't

been in a while. And, you know, I ended up buying

some stuff just because I was like, you know,

mostly I dig through dollar comic book boxes

these days to to add to my licensed comic collection,

because that's pretty much where my comics have

gone is licensed books. So 80s, properties, books,

masks, transformers, that kind of stuff. But

I don't think there's a part of me that will

ever stop collecting because it becomes It's

not even so much about collecting toys for me.

It's you know, like we said that the collection

is so big, you know At one time up until about

two years ago I don't know Josh. I don't know

if you ever saw but I had a ridiculous DVD collection

that was probably I don't know, 800 or 900 discs,

which there's people that have way more than

I had. But at the time, I'd been buying DVDs

since 95, since they started. I remember that.

Yeah. I had this huge collection that I eventually

just copied all the discs onto a Plex server

that I run and sold everything. I just took them

to a store and made a stupid amount of money

for DVDs that I was like, all right, well, that

bought me a PS4 and a whole bunch of games. Do

remember seeing in the room where you have your

arcade cabinet? Yes I think it was there was

that there was a decent size shelf and I remember

you telling me that this that was After you had

downsize. Yeah. Yeah, because now it's filled

with VHS tapes You know weirdly I'm also starting

to gather a bunch of VHS tapes, too So I don't

know. I think we're both working backwards in

some ways Well, it's it's weird because like

I said, it's it's the collecting part of me is

not going to stop it'll stop Having the collection

downsize to the point where it's going to be

will make me pause on a lot of things If I see

something I go do I really really need this?

Is this something I want to add? Is this something

I think that I feel that I need? Nine times out

of ten. I will probably put it back because I'm

like, I don't really need this. It's cool to

see I don't really need to take this But you'll

still text your friends when you find the cool

things, right though. Yeah, exactly I know Dave

Dave has always been has already been concerned

that I'm like gonna stop going to toy shows and

stuff and there's a There's a toy man this Sunday

and he was like you're probably not gonna go

and I was like no I'll go with you. I was like,

we'll be back before like 10 a .m I'll go I'll

like we go down there walk around and be like

alright time to go Well, you just promise that

you'll help carry anything he needs. Oh, yes

always So we are downsizing we are we're kind

of dropping stuff down. This is always a fun

question What is one toy you can always play

with? Honestly if one toy that I could always

just play with is probably Tyco back when talking

toys were big when Teddy Gruxman was big Tyco

did a series of three figures for Sesame Street

that was Big Bird Oscar the Grouch and Cookie

Monster and the differences is much like Teddy

and Grubby the three of them can all connect

to one another so They can all tell a story together

and they all interact with one another and to

me even to this day I could put batteries and

all three of them pop a tape in and watch those

three perform No questions asked because it's

to me. It's still one of the most amazingly Low

-tech awesome things that I've ever seen in my

life and in a weird sort of ways in that kind

of like being it Chuck E. Cheese back in the

day. You have those animatronics. They're at

home. You can have your own pizza. Yes and no.

You find after a while, like with Teddy Ruxpin

stories, you're like, oh my god, they're all

the same story. Jesus, make it stop. But yeah,

I mean, they're fun to have. And I've worked

on all of them. That's something that's staying

in the collection is all of the talking toys.

Because I've physically repaired every one of

them myself. They all worked because I took them

apart, cleaned everything, repaired stuff, and

put it all back together. By the way, I might

have another patient for you. Oh, good. All right.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When did

he get his toy medical license? Dr. Duvall. That's

right. I put myself through school. He made his

own medical certification board and certified

himself. Yes. Even though there are always toy

lines that people never purchase just because

they're not your interest, is there anything

that you specifically said, no, I am avoiding

this, whether it be a toy line or type of character,

is there anything that you're just, I'm refusing

to buy this, go away, throw it away, like Pops

or something like that. Hey, watch it. She had

just Star Wars Barbie and Cabbage Patch Kids.

Barbie Barbie because I just had no interest

in it as a collector. I was just like there's

way too much shit Cabbage patch kids. I never

liked them. Even when they came out in the 80s.

I was always like, yeah And GI Joe and Star Wars

just because as I got older there's just so much

Star Wars has never really gone down in price

It's always just kept skyrocketing and I don't

want to spend that kind of money for 3 3 quarter

-inch figures that I really didn't enjoy when

I was a kid because I really didn't have a lot

of Star Wars stuff Even though I was alive during,

you know, two of those sequels Originally like

I just I didn't have a lot of it and GI Joe Just

as you get to become an older collector you go

There's just too much and it's too expensive

and I don't want to deal with it and it takes

up too much room It's just like no, I'm good.

Is there anything because with Danny with all

of his He man primarily. I know he's also got

a lot of turtles Yes, and with Dave with GI Joe

and Star Wars Was there any lines that because

they focus in them that you're actually like,

you know what? I don't need it I can go visit

them and see it anytime. I want not not particularly

You know Dave and I have always commented to

each other that it's it's easiest going to a

toy show with the two of us together Because

neither one of us is really going after the same

stuff We can both appreciate each other's stuff,

but we're not fighting for the same stuff. Danny

and I, sometimes it just depended like I would

buy turtles every once in a while, but not heavily.

I'd buy master stuff when I found it or weapons

that I needed for certain figures, but it's not

really ever been any type of thing like that

where I'm like, well, I don't need to buy any

of that because I can go over there and see it.

Even though we had the same interests like there's

certain things. I'm like like I want to own that

I don't care if they have it. I want it, too

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we are back here on Toycast and of course because

Josh is out of his mind tonight, he did forget

one question. Are there any toys in the past

or currently that you wish you hadn't bought

them or are there any toys that you may have

sold that you regret letting them go? You know

it's weird, I don't regret selling anything.

The one toys that I regret buying that I don't

have anymore. I got rid of... Immediately after

we did the episode. I think even on the episode

I'm like I gave them to Danny and I was like

these are yours I don't ever want to see these

toys again. We did it. I bought the whole run

of Tales from the Crypt Keeper toys for that

new ToySmall episode and we did that episode

and they were the most disappointing toys I have

ever seen in my life and when we were done with

that review I literally on camera slid them to

Danny I'm like they're yours now because I don't

ever want to see these again That's funny. It

was just a terrible toy line. Now they're worth

all the money, but it was a terrible toy line.

Yeah. I mean, toy lines can be terrible and worth

a lot because they're terrible. Yes, exactly.

How large or small is your toy collection? Do

your toys take up the whole house or are they

relegated to one room, shelf or something like

that? So we have, so our house is over 1500 square

feet. It's a big house. Josh has been here. It's

pretty decent size, you know, I think there's

what two bedroom two bath And they're in a full

-finished basement. Well the the collection takes

up the entire basement Like it's it is it takes

up all of the basement like there's not a whole

lot of room to walk down So it is it's it's it's

rather immense which is part of the reason why

I'm like I mean he needs to all go because it's

just It's so overwhelming now. For a while, it

was a lot of fun. It was a lot of great memories.

But now it's just like you walk down and you

go, oh my god, there's too much crap down here.

Yeah. And for the last decade or so, at least

since I've known you for the last decade or so,

you were producing content based on the toys

you had in your basement or based on the toys

that Danny has in his basement or Dave has in

his basement. And you're not really Not really

really like I remember used to used to do weekly

videos sometimes so we did you're not really

doing that anymore, so we Flea market finds which

became collection expansion extravaganza Which

was my wife and I show together we stopped doing

that show because we literally ran out of room

and I'm like I don't put all this stuff like

it just it became cumbersome like we were like

I mean, there's still probably I still probably

had three or four episodes that I never finished

editing because it just The collection got out

of hand and I was like, uh, so, you know people

always ask me about that show and i'm like We

literally stopped doing it because I don't have

any room like there's nowhere to put anything

So we don't buy the amount of stuff that we once

bought at auctions and stuff you know, we would

go to an auction and Spend a couple hundred dollars

and come home with a ridiculous amount of stuff

And then do videos on it for like two months

but It we just couldn't do it anymore. So it

just it became one of those things where it's

like You know That show went by the wayside Dave

and I's reviews kind of stopped too because it

was just like there's there's too much stuff

coming out Dave kind of stopped buying a lot

of stuff. I wasn't buying anything new really

So it was just like all right. Well Yeah How

do you keep track of your collection if you do?

I don't for a while there. I was starting to

for insurance reasons we started to go through

and inventory everything, take pictures of everything.

That stopped because we realized there's no way

to do this. Like we just can't. I was adding

stuff to it too fast and there was too much of

it. So we kind of stopped it. I don't have an

inventory of it. Now, you know, I have an idea

of what's down there. I could tell you if I have

something or not, but I don't have like a running

spreadsheet. The only thing I have running spreadsheets

on I have for a license book for like my kids

books that we collect. I literally have every

book that I have listed in kind of a word document

so I can pull it up and work somewhere and flip

through the list and find it. Same with my comics.

Like I have comics broken down by publisher and

then by publisher alphabetically and then comic

alphabetically. So if I could spin through real

quick and go, do I have this issue? Yes, I do.

That can go back. Yeah, absolutely. How do you

display your toys? Do you display it with the

possibility of others to view it in mind or is

it for your own personal viewing? I think it

became, it started out with the idea of other

people viewing it. It quickly became and I've

got to put this somewhere so you get shoved back

here All right, Josh you get shoved back into

the forefront take it away. I'm ready to go so

well you have and Soon that will be in the past

tense you had a massive impressive collection

Yes, something that's inspired something that's

been documented something that you've taken hour

-long walkthroughs through yes If you could keep

only one toy, and I think this applies to a little

bit of what we're talking about, if you could

only keep one toy from the entire collection,

and we're gonna limit to one physical object

because there's a lot and a lot of different

types of things you have, what would it be and

why? You can just grab one. I can just grab one.

It would be the 1962 Ideal Ralph, which is one

of the first Muppet items produced. Ideal did

a series of puppets of Kermit and Ralph And they

were the earliest form of Muppets Muppets products

produced licensed products So that is that is

one of the rarest pieces I have in the collection

and that would be the piece that I would keep

I've seen that I've actually seen and that's

such an amazing piece because I I'm a Muppets

fan too. I love yeah Muppets beyond I think we

have similarly sized Muppets. You have a few

pieces I don't have but I'm actually gonna give

you the opportunity to now broaden that now that

we know the one We're gonna give you the toy

box challenge. You're gonna get one We're gonna

say 18 by 18 by 18 size box. So something you

would get like hello fresh or blue apron in okay

So you get that one box. The only toys you can

keep have to fit in that box So what do you pack

into it? Idea Ralph Chuck Norris credit commandos

the characters from Pee Wee's Playhouse, the

figures, some stuffed animals, probably some

shirt tails, and Optimus Prime and Megatron.

That's not a bad selection, actually. I one of

these days I do want to hear a little bit about

your history behind shirt tails and they get

along gang a little bit I I mean I can I could

tell you that right now pretty quick the the

fascination behind that is they really For the

cartoons like get along gang when you start delving

into the merchandise made for that show For what

was a very short -lived show. I think I only

ran 13 episodes There is so much merchandise

for get along gang It's not even funny like they

literally made a lot of it in that short time

and it's beautiful They're there. It's all beautiful.

The stuffed animals are beautifully off roller

skates, which is awesome They made little boxed

clothes figures, which are great. They made some

play sets, which are awesome, which I have both

the play sets it's just it's a fun line and the

The shirt tails it just it fascinates me anything

that started American Greetings and became this

licensed phenomenon. Shirt Tales is along that

line, Rainbow Bride is along that line. A lot

of that stuff started with American Greetings

and it became something bigger. So Shirt Tales

has always been fascinating to me. While there's

a lot of American Greetings shirttail stuff,

there's very little licensed Hanna Barbera shirttail

stuff. So that's kind of what does it for me

with shirttails is the licensed stuff. Very cool.

Very cool. All right. So it's the end all be

all question. Are you a Funko fan? I appreciate

what Funko has done for the business. They bring

a lot of They have so many licenses for their

Funko Pops that they get even the most you know

Just non interested person interested in collecting

something and I think it's fascinating I think

it's something the collective community at large

needs more of Instead of the more niche thing

Pops has been really good. I am NOT a fan of

the Funko Pops even though I own a handful of

them I have never been the biggest fan of that

line, but I appreciate what it's done. I appreciate

I appreciate how they've they've presented it

and how it's how it's lived this long. Hmm. Normally

I am not a like I get the regular size ones,

just the normal ones. And they have these like

six inch or like they have what is it? Is it

it's obelisk and slifer and and Oh, what's the

other one? Oh, God. They have the three big gods

from Yu -Gi -Oh! as six inch ones, and I haven't

gotten those yet. Yeah. And I usually shy away

from those or the larger ones like the 10 inch

jumbo ones. But when they were like, yeah, we're

doing a 10 inch sound wave with cassettes for

$40 GameStop exclusive. I'm like, shut up and

take my money. Now, originally, I thought originally

I I thought that there was just going to be like

this like where his the bottom of his tape deck

is on his on his robot mode right I thought there

were just gonna be like two little things where

you set the set the cassettes on oh no it opens

ah yes literally I'm like holy crap this is the

best Funko pop yeah that they've ever done because

yeah like like I said I appreciate the work that

they put into those. I appreciate the work they

put into the ultimate stuff. But yeah, just the

Pops. I mean, they're beautiful. They're amazing.

They've got fans like yourself and so many others.

But my problem, at least as a collector and as

somebody who goes to toy shows, is I've seen

so many guys that were strictly vintage toy dealers

suddenly stop selling vintage toys and then moved

strictly onto Pops because Pops make them more

money. And I get it. But it's like, well, that's

sad because a lot of these guys had some amazing,

you know, amazing products for vintage toys.

And then also they just start selling pops. You're

like, you know, Kane County Toy Show this year

was I guarantee you that show was 70 percent

pops like there was vintage toys there, but it

was a lot of Funko pops and a lot of modern shell

bought, you know, store bought merchandise from

the last year out there. Really you could get

toys in 2020. I didn't realize that toy store

shelves had that's because all the deal all the

dealers and scalpers have them That's why I'm

just going to add in real quick for this Funko

question. I've absolutely silent Mm -hmm. Good.

Stay that way. What was the most money you spent

on a toy? Probably the most money that I've spent

It was probably the Ghost Command playset for

Filmation Ghostbusters. I don't think up until

that point, I had spent that much money on any

one item in the collection and that I dished

out the money for. What was the cheapest toy

you bought? Honestly, the cheapest toy I bought

was, oh man, been so many years ago, but it was

probably both of the Captain Power the soldiers

of the future jets so the phantom the phantom

striker and I don't remember what the bad guys

one is called but I bought both of those mint

and box at a toy show for five bucks a piece

wow that's awesome and you got into a lot of

this collecting before prices really took off

so you The story I always tell is that, you know,

for those of you who aren't familiar, Pixel Dan

and I owned a toy store in 2001, 2002. And we

actually, it was a physical store. It was called

Dan and Deval's Toys and Collectibles, which

is where I get Dave and Deval's Toys and Collectibles,

because I always liked that name. Danny and I

ran a brick and mortar toy shop. And when we

opened that shop, We bought entire runs of food

fighters on card to put in that store for a buck

apiece we bought On card and loose new adventures

of human figures and vehicles for literally next

to nothing and I bought an entire Boxed collection

of brave star stuff to put in the store to sell

for probably less than a hundred bucks Wow, so

but yeah, I've been buying oddball stuff since

then and yeah back then even up until about eight

years ago, maybe seven years ago, a lot of that

stuff was just super affordable. But it became

it came to the point where you had these guys

finishing up collections, G .I. Joe, Transformers,

Star Wars. These guys would finish these collections

by everything they could for those lines. And

they moved on to the ancillary lines. And that's

where the prices started to shoot up. That's

why today you see prices for. Since Churian drones

like people wanting two grand apiece for one

of them and I'm like, holy crap people. What

are you doing? Yeah, I'm gonna go in the corner

and just cry overhearing about how much you spent

on a case of food fighters They were literally

a buck apiece Wow Because nobody wanted to buy

it back then nobody was buying that stuff back

then it was all Useless junk to people like they

didn't want to buy that I do want to point out

that I Food fighter now on the low end is about

80 times what you paid for it. Yeah, I know it's

ridiculous Very very crazy. Well, you just answered

the ancillary question, which was what was the

best deal? You ever got on a figure that may

have been worth quite a bit more than you paid

Well, but even back then but back then that stuff

wasn't worth more than what we were paying retail

for that stuff back then which even we were like

Because we were buying it for a buck a piece

and charging three dollars a piece for him on

card And they never sold that's the thing. That's

where dandy got his entire food fighters collection

from was because they didn't sold So dandy just

took them all home and opened them And then he

got another set for me. Yeah pretty much We are

gonna skip question 25 because you're not collecting

anything right now sort of you're trying to get

rid of the stuff that's not entirely true though

mike it's There is stuff that I still am actively

hunting and buying Like I said mostly You know

transformers hasbro keeps reeling me in by doing,

you know studio series 86 Which i'm like, I see

those and go you sons of bitches Stop it. Uh,

you know the the transformers the earth rise

stuff Uh power of the prize like not so much

power of the prize, but like combiner wars was

huge earth rise There's still figures in those

waves that i'm looking for that I missed kingdom

There's still stuff I buy because they're doing

a lot of g1 inspired stuff in that line. So I'm

like, well, I guess I'm buying those Yeah, if

I wasn't strictly Funko in my collecting nowadays

and I had the extra cash I would so get leader

Galvatron and commander class Rodimus because

those toys look just like What they look like

in the movie and the Rodimus like Galvatron Galvatron

not so much since he's not Know he looks a little

a little on the weird side to me a little bit

I don't know if they've ever quite done a good

modern take on g1 Galvatron from a cartoon version

But that rod of the the Rodimus is is pretty

special like he's pretty yeah. Yeah. Yes All

right, Josh. Stop playing with your paper and

ask him the next question I'm getting my research

prepared and sure you are this is the ball. This

is the show So I'm making sure actually I was

just taking a toy out of the bag. Yeah, you're

fired. You're not gonna be on the pixel Dan episode

You got pixel Dan Potentially, maybe I don't

know. Oh, okay Hey the ball so We do know the

answer to this question. I'm gonna try to evolve

it in the midst of me asking it So the question

is do you visit toy shows or conventions? I'm

gonna change this question a little bit. When

you have visited toy shows, we know you do, I've

seen you with them, do you have a strategy or

methodology when you go to these shows? Do you

bring a certain amount of money knowing what

you're searching for or do you like just finding

out what happens? Usually, like Kane County for

instance, I would go with $200. I wouldn't go

with anything in mind that I was looking for

and we literally would walk the aisles and I

would see what everybody has and There would

be some stuff that I would buy immediately some

stuff I might come back for some stuff I would

kind of look at and go and I really need that

and keep going So there's never there was never

quite anything in mind Like I like to go like,

you know, I think you had kind of posed this

question to me a lot As to why I we didn't film

these shows and film hunts and it was always

because my answer to you has always been the

same It's always because because I I want to

shop. I I'm not going to the show to work Even

though it would be great content. Yes At the

time in my head. I'm like we don't make any money

on in this content And the money we make is like

I don't get paid for like two years on it So

I just want to go and shop like that's literally

all I want to do I want to go I want to go shop

I'm gonna go talk to my friends and I want to

see what I can find like that's that's my goal

at a toy show and and that's not changing as

I Stopped collecting and sell this collection

I still want to go to toy shows because I still

want to see the people that I know see the dealers

that I know Talk to them see what's going on.

See what's selling. Well, you know, I just have

a good time. So in part of me Making that suggestion

is a You and Dave and a lot of the people you

run into are ridiculously entertaining. Yeah,

but also be As someone who has either not been

able to go or been behind the table trying to

sell I kind of want to live vicariously through

you because I don't I don't I don't get to go

and I always understand that and then you know,

I understand that I always you know Always try

not to be because I know the reason why I'm not

filming it is selfish because I don't want to

do it No, I'm going to that but I'm telling you

but I'm telling you this is this is this is how

I feel I you know, I'm going to that show I'm

paying money to get in that gate. I want to go

shop and Selfishly like I'm like I could make

this content For people like you and other people

who can't go to the show who want to live vicariously

through that I'm like, but honestly, I just want

to go shop and You know, no, no, and it's not

a strike against you or anything. That's just

that's literally my mindset at these shows because

I Part of it is because when I worked for figures

calm before that new toy smell and you know I

spent three years going to San Diego comic -con

and Toy Fair You couldn't go to those things

and just shop you couldn't go to those things

and be a fan You know Toy Fair, of course, you

have to be pressed to get in but comic -con I've

never been able to go to San Diego Comic Con

as just a fan and take my time and enjoy the

scenery. It was always work for me. And I vowed,

I'm like, I'm never going to do this again. I'm

not going to do this again. And I did it for

a while with Pop Culture Network and that was

a mistake. And I was like, I do not want to do

this again. This is terrible. Even as a fan,

I have never. had an interest in actually experiencing

that show because I've been podcasting since

late 2008. We started the network in 2009 and

I just I see what Comic Con has become over the

last decade or so and it's fine. That's fine.

That's what it's become and that's what it is.

That's whatever. It's just too darn big for me.

Like I would so need to have a game plan of I

want to see this this and this and this and this

if I can even see this and this. And it's like,

it's so overwhelming. It really is. But it's

not just Comic Con. It's a lot of the conventions

like that now have become, C2E2 has become that

way. It's very overwhelming to where they have

so much stuff going on at one time. Even stuff

that's not comic or toy related, stuff like Gen

Con, if you've ever been to Gen Con for board

games or role playing games, it's the same way.

If you don't go in with a game plan, like Dave

and I the one year Dave and I went for my 40th

birthday we went and We didn't have a game plan.

We just were like we're just gonna go on Sunday

shop and come home like that what I'm like, I

don't care about going to any You know in any

demos or anything or trying to get into games

I just want to go I want to shop the dealer floor.

I want to buy a bunch of stuff and I want to

come home now And don't you know, don't take

me saying anything it is like oh you you should

only work for us the ball If there's anything

that's been a hundred percent clear about you

in the umpteenth amount of years You've been

doing this you love the hobby. You love the experience

you have no obligation to Film or put all of

that level of work into filming a vlog or a toy

hunt or anything, right? because I think If you

found that to be something that was just so much

work and just so much Let me rephrase this Obviously

living through a camera and experiencing a lot

of that through the camera You don't always connect

to it the way that I think that comes through

when you Are met in person or in your podcast

or anything like that where you're really describing

your passion for the hobby So I think again me

selfishly saying oh, I'd love to see it because

you're fun and you're awesome is my thing, but

it's the same reason why our mutual friend Mark

probably will never work at Disney World, because

he doesn't want to ruin the magic either, and

I think that's the same thing. Like, my retirement

from YouTube isn't about the fact that doing

these videos has ruined my love for the hobby.

It's quite the opposite. It's just become like

I'm 44 years old. Don't know how much longer

I want to film and edit videos like I'm just

like I've been I've been literally filming and

editing videos in one form or another for something

Since I was in high school and I'm like, I don't

I don't do this anymore So, you know my my love

of the hobby has never changed. I don't think

it'll ever change. You know, I I think there's

there's something about Toys and I think for

a lot of us that is such a nostalgic You know

a lot of people look down upon it and say oh

you're just looking looking at the world through

rose -tinted glasses, but it's it's more about

remembering these amazing parts of our lives

that Mm -hmm, you know there are other amazing

things as I got an adult, you know Bearing the

love of my life You know was it but was it an

amazing memory and I never want to forget that

Things like that, but but for me something just

something about toys that always brings me back

to You know as I sit here in this office recording

I can look across my wife's work desk and there

is a bookcase filled with new kids on the block

member billion toys That's that's the kind of

thing that I love I love seeing that stuff and

I love I love being able to to share that love

and that knowledge You know when Carrie and I

got married she was not Collector she was not

into this stuff. She didn't to her it is to even

to this day to her. It is just stuff And at the

end of the day, yes, it is just stuff, but there's

something really cool about you know Being able

to look at something that you owned as a child

or as a teenager And going this is cool. This

brings a lot of great memories. This is something

I cherish and I love it and talk about such a

naturally perfect segue to the next question.

Well done, Jason. I don't know if you have the

script in front of you. No, he doesn't. What

do you think it is about our generation? I'm

37. You said you're 44. I'm 41. 41. You're right

in between us. I'm the middle child. That's kind

of scary. That's literally perfect. What do you

think it is about our generation that causes

our childhood toys to mean so much more to us,

for instance, than our parents' generation, especially

because you brought up your stepdad earlier?

I think that's such a perfect question at this

point. You know, but it's interesting. So if

you think about the world of action figures,

you think about how long action figures have

been around. Action figures have been around

since the invention of G .I. Joe by Hasbro in

1960. I'm probably gonna get the date wrong,

63, 64? Yeah, something like that. Something

around there. Probably the date might be wrong.

I apologize. But you know, action figures were

birthed in the 60s by G .I. Joe because they

didn't want to call G .I. Joe a doll. And you

look at you look at these generations that followed

since the birth of even Barbie and GI Joe, and

you see that it's not just our generation that

is fascinated by the things of their youth. It's

those generations as well. And even beyond that,

you've got guys that collect tin toys because

that's what they grew up with. They grew up with

these amazing tin toy collections as a child,

and they've gone back to hunt that. So I don't

even think it's necessarily about our generation.

It's more about the personal connection to an

item, to a series, to a line, to anything that

continues to bring you back to that, that fills

you with this kind of feeling of love and appreciation.

You know, my love of Disney is very much the

same way as my love of toys. My love of Jim Henson

the Muppets is very much the same way as my love

of toys, the knowledge. of all that. It's all

intermixed, so it's not one generation. Every

generation that's come before us and the generations

that will come after us the kids that grew up

in the 90s Have their own things toy wise that

they go after the kids that grew up in the 2000s

are going after you know You look at the popular

to pocket Pokemon cards Bakugan, you know, Yu

-Gi -Oh a lot of the stuff. It's the same idea.

It's it's something It's much like wrestling.

It's it's cylindrical. Like so it just it keeps

going in this big circle Yeah, and what is what

is what is not interesting to us that someone

has grown up with will be interesting to them

as they get older So yeah, I find this hilarious.

I never knew this about GI Joe The original work

was America's movable fighting man AM FM. I'm

like, oh, it's a radio play and yes 1964 I was

right on the money. Okay. Yep All right, what

is your motivation for purchasing toys to display

play fiddle? We talked about this a little bit

earlier that you're an ADHD kind of toy collector.

So describe in more slightly more detail Your

style of and your way of collecting, you know,

it's it's it's I don't think I have I Don't think

I can really nail that down to like an explanation

of style It's more along the lines of in the

back of my head I know, like I'll go into a toy

show without a list, but in the back of my head,

I know there's certain things, if it's a board

game or whatnot, I know there's certain things

I keep my eye out for. And if I see something

that goes along with what I've got in the back

of my head, I will probably buy it. So it just

depends on, it's not even if I have a attachment

to the item or a history with it, it becomes

more of. I remember seeing that in the book.

I always wanted it. Here it is. I'll probably

buy it. That kind of thing. Right. Absolutely.

Take it away, Josh. Oh, that's back to me. You

only had one question. I've got like 10 coming

up. I'm bad at math. That's because I'm old and

I'm tired of talking. So, Deval, you are very

much in tune with a lot of toys that really span

a lot of age groups. And that's, I think, one

of the most unique things about your collection.

Have you ever purchased a toy for a child based

on your own opinions of the toy? Maybe because

of your previous childhood experience or recent

knowledge. Have you ever said, I know this based

on my experience. You're going to love it. No,

because I think that is a inaccurate way to treat

children. I think that's a terrible thing to

do, especially. I see so many toy collectors

who are parents forcing their toys on their kids,

and while the kids like it, those parents get

very upset later on in life when those kids no

longer want anything to do with said toy line.

I've always been more along the lines of you

let the kids, if it's an older toy line or a

property, you give them the opportunity to discover

it themselves. You don't force them to sit down

and watch it. You don't force them to play with

it. You give them the opportunity and the tools

to discover it for themselves and let them see

if they fall in love with it themselves. I have

never bought anything for a child based on my

own preference and been like, here you go kid,

you'll love this. I loved it as a kid, you'll

love it too. Like I said, just because I don't

believe in that ideology, but I have given. toys

to kids who have come over. When we first moved

in, we had a housewarming party. And I'll be

honest, I don't remember whose daughter it was.

Somebody that Carrie knew, I think, had a little

girl. And the little girl was fascinated with

my Rainbow Brights that I had on the shelf. And

she really, really wanted one. So I just reached

up on the shelf, grabbed one and gave it to her.

And she adored that thing all night long. She

loved it. She went home with it. But again, that

you give them. the tools and the opportunity

to discover something new and let them fall in

love with it in their own way. And I think that's

going to cover our next question. So we'll move

past that because our numbering system is probably

thrown out the window at this point. So you have

in the last year or so, especially because of

COVID, sort of demonstrated a skill that you

have that many people didn't know. So I'm just

going to throw this question out there. Do you

do any sort of toy modifications or customs,

whether it be painting, building, diorama building,

or anything like that? You know, I don't customize

toys a whole lot. I do do a lot of painting.

It's not something new. It's something I have

painted model kits for the last 23 years, 24

years. But it's always been character kits, resin

kits, vinyl kits. But I did this last year. at

a garage sale found a loose Toxic Crusaders major

disaster and bought it. It was like a buck I

bought it with the intention because it was beat

up. It was nasty looking I bought it with the

intention of I'm going to repaint this and I'd

sit down and repainted it and if you follow me

on Instagram Under public of all you'll you can

go back and find it and see the picture of that

finished product a major disaster Not only that

you can find the stuff that I've actually painted

But I love I haven't got to paint in Many months

because Carrie and I have been really busy and

I just I've been able to make the time to sit

down And paint, you know, we've been remodeling

a bathroom and and doing a lot of other stuff

So but I love I love painting. I love painting

models. I love painting miniatures I've gotten

really good at painting miniatures. I'm not great

There's always someone that's way better than

you when it comes to painting I have a buddy

here in town named Brett Tudor who uh who teaches

the painting class uh was teaching the painting

class and is going to again at our local gaming

store titan games uh and he is a phenomenal phenomenal

painter and i admire his stuff so much and he's

such a great teacher but um god i love i love

painting miniatures so much and models do you

paint kitchen cabinets by any chance my wife

is asking no telling me she's out of luck okay

sorry uh So the next question we have is a little

unrelated to that, but I think this actually

goes back to almost episode one of Dave and of

all The Christmas Nazi Okay, I wasn't there necessarily

but Okay, so I know what I'm listening to when

I go to the gym tomorrow, yes, damn that John

McClain Do you think The reason I asked is I

think I remember hearing the story the motivation

behind creating the the show and some of the

thoughts you may have especially as The toy industry

has been changing recently. Do you think toy

companies should specifically have adult collector

toys? Child toys or find a way to produce both

or a mix of both? Problem is I think I think

when it comes to action figures, which has now

become a very niche market, you know, it seems

like Kids that get to the age to play with action

figures 8 to 12 is basically what the industry

standard is I think these days those kids are

now they have tablets they have phones they have

PlayStation 4 PlayStation 5 Xbox one The action

figure marketplace is a much smaller niche marketplace

now and Dave and I've talked about this before

eventually It's just going to become what it's

becoming now, which people are very pissed about.

The way that Super 7 does business with Ultimates,

the way that Mattel Creations and HasLab is doing

things, it's going to go to the Kickstarter way,

which is what a lot of toy companies have done

anyway. They're going to make toys to cover pre

-orders, and then that's it. They're not going

to find a lot of the stuff in stores. You're

not going to get a lot of it. You either back

it and pre -order it when it's available, or

you miss out and have to pay a second. way, way

marked up prices. The toy industry as we know

it has been changing and continues to change,

especially with the death of Toys R Us, where

Now there's not an outlet in the United States

to get oddball toy lines on a shelf space because

real estate space is so minute in Walmart and

Targets, which are your big box retailers, not

in Walmart, Target, Meyers, all these other stores

that are major supermarket retail organizations.

The real estate is so minute and so tiny that

there's no way to get. uh really an original

brand new toy line on there so that's why you

see in the aisles a lot of it is licensed you

know stuff or stuff that's that they know people

will buy master universe reissue stuff um you

know ghostbusters you know they just reissued

the kind of ghostbusters stuff you know because

they knew people were going to buy them now there

was supposed to be a movie out last year for

it but still um But there's not space to do what

they were able to do at one time, which is come

up with these original IPs, create these toy

lines for these original IPs, put them in a toy

aisle, and let people decide if they're good

or not. So the toy industry eventually, I don't

even see really action figure aisles in stores.

in the next 10 years. Honestly, I would see them

all going the way of the dodo and most of that

stuff being available for pre -order on lines

or much like the NECA shelf in Target being located

like back in electronics in one section and it's

collector's items. That's where it's going. Yeah.

Besides, NECA stuff is just way too expensive.

Well, I mean, but that's... The problem and people

always point that out people point that out with

the ultimate stuff too with super 7 and NECA

stuff is way cheaper than super 7. Yeah, it's

super 7 Well, the difference is is that NECA

NECA has real estate partner, you know Retail

partners, you know, they've had retail partners

for 20 years, you know They were in Toys R Us

shelves and they were only at Toys R Us and comic

book stores for years so You know now they've

got in Walmart target the price is a little a

little cheaper, but they're still making these

high quality products which You know have to

have those higher price tags because plastics

not cheap these days People seem to forget that

when they bitch about prices plastics not cheap

anymore You know, it's it's it's not it's not

cheap to make these molds You know the molds

are where a lot of the cost for the figures come

from because metal molds are not cheap to make

and they're even more expensive now than they

once were Super 7 stuff so expensive because

they have no They have no retail partners. Like

they're not technically in stores when it comes

to their ultimate lines. Yes, the reaction line

is in stores, but no one wants to take a chance

on the ultimate lines because they've already

got neck of stuff in stores. They've already

got this other stuff. So super seven then has

to turn around and go, you know, entirely online

real estate, you know, to do their retail business

with pre -orders and that and that's why those

figures are 60 bucks, 65 bucks. Yeah. And Super

7 also has that great model that, okay, let me

rephrase that. Super 7 has the unique model.

I don't wanna say it's great. Yeah, it's not

great, but it's unique. It's unique where they

only make what they get orders for. So you do

sit on that free order for a while. Yes. Six

months to eight months, even a year in some cases.

But it's the same thing that Mattel, that Matty

collector eventually started doing towards the

end of their run where they were just selling

You know they would sell this many and then that's

it like if you've missed out you missed out Yeah,

and they're at least saying like hey This is

the price point we have if we only make two thousand

We know that's the price point. It's gonna be

if we make ten thousand price bait price point

doesn't change It's still going to be that price

which isn't the worst thing in the world No,

but it's it's just the way like I said It seems

to me and to Draper and to many others that that's

that's you know, that's that's where the industry

is going to go like they can it just it's it's

inevitable like it's I Don't think anything's

going to stop that oncoming train. It's just

going to keep coming. Yeah Yep, absolutely. And

this is why I stick with funko and I'm sure funko

will have a shelf life at some point but Until

that happens, at least I can get whatever I want

from whatever line I want if I want it. And if

I don't want it, I don't have to buy it. That's

true. All right. Do you have a my parents got

rid of my toys story? I do not. The that never

happened because the basement flooded. I mean,

seriously, like, yeah, Mother Nature stole pretty

much all my toys away. You know, my stepfather

never threw out any of my toys. As a matter of

fact, there was a bunch in the attic and when

I moved out, he actually got up in the attic

and was like, hey, do you want this stuff? I

forgot this stuff was up there. And it was like

the RoboForce, RoboController vehicle and a bunch

of other stuff. And I was like, to hell with

you, I'll take it. Yeah, absolutely. I forgot

it was up there. I didn't realize it was up there.

But they never threw anything away. I had stuff

break, but I never threw anything away. Well,

the reason why I asked that question everyone

will hear my answer to this question in episode

113 of the podcast is because I do and At six

years old in 1986. My dad said I was too old

for toys. So this whole eight to twelve range

Yeah, no, I don't believe in that Like official

it's it's right it's usually where they they

come up with that number, you know, yeah Huh?

Rude host! Because they're not yum -yums? Ow!

Rude host! Ow! Rude host! Rude host? Rude host!

Why am I a rude host? Rude host! Why am I a rude

host? Rude host! Because we're looking at Kinex

and not Legos? Rude host! Oh! He's not saying

rude host! Alright, so we've talked about this

the whole episode, but... Want a different answer

to this because we've already gotten the story

of you know You're selling your collection and

you're doing this and you're doing that the question

actually is Was there ever a moment when you

were done with toys? Have you ever considered

stopping being a collector or even selling your

whole collection? Basically the answer I want

to this is When was the moment when you were

like I need to get rid of everything? Right after

Right after King County this year Wow I had come

home with very little if you watch I did a whole

video Yeah, and I didn't really come home with

a whole lot, you know some You know some talking

dolls stuff like that But it was trying to figure

out where to put these things Mm -hmm that then

they sit on the floor forever until I finally

started to rearrange and as I rearranged I thought

I Literally, there's no more room for anything.

Like I literally cannot put anything else down

here it is full. My Little Mermaid room has basically

become a catch -all. There are shelves in there.

There's all this stuff. I literally have no more

room. It was after that show when I looked around

and I thought, I need to sell all this. It's

all going to go. I thought about it, thought

about it, let it sit for a while. Every time

I'd go back to think about it, And think about

getting rid of it or go down there and imagine

the basement empty Normally, I feel like most

people would get this pit in the feeling of their

stomach like oh god Why are you thinking this

you can't sell it? This is crazy I never I still

to this day don't have that feeling, you know,

I sold the ghost command playset Which is a pivotal

piece for any collection. It took me five and

a half years to find one and I Sold it and I

honestly I look at his pictures and I'm so ecstatic

and happy that it's so well loved and they adore

it. I don't have any regrets. Even to this point,

doing all of this, taking all these pictures

and getting everything packed up for this auction,

I don't have that feeling. I don't look at it

and go, oh, I shouldn't be doing this. I go,

I need to be doing more. Yeah, I mean this is

the same thing with me when I stopped and people

will hear this in episode 113 when I stopped

when I had to sell my stuff in 2011 and I had

a Miniscule collection at best and I you know

got maybe two three hundred bucks for it, but

I'm like, okay I'm I'm okay. I'm I don't need

this stuff anymore. I need to move on and and

You know as I mentioned earlier with SDCC. I

might have mentioned that off air I don't remember

at this point because we've been recording But

it's one of those things where in 2012, I spent

six hours on a podcast live reacting to every,

every major announcement SDCC did. And I enjoyed

whatever toys that were shown off or announced

or whatever, but I still had no compunction to

get them kind of like, I didn't need them kind

of thing. And it wasn't until like, wasn't until

2016, 2017 when I saw. WWE 2k Stone Cold Steve

Austin pop and Batgirl 66 pop. I'm like, ooh

Funko I You know, it's it's it's interesting

that You know I talk about not having that feeling

I I think the people around me in my circle were

more concerned About me selling my collection

then about you know Than I was a lot of the concern

was You know my my wife Carrie love God bless

her lover she had more of a problem with me selling

because we went down there to sort it and she

She got close to hyperventilating because she

was like, oh my god, I can't believe you're doing

that Like not not like like excitedly but like

oh my god. Are you sure that you want to do this?

Yeah You know and both her and Dave both We're

worried about my mental health and if I was having

if I was having a midlife crisis because I'm

at that age And I kept you know, I sure am both.

I'm like, I'm really fine. Like I am NOT having

a midlife crisis. I am NOT contemplating, you

know, I don't have suicidal tendencies that was

something else because people were telling Dave,

you know, you know, you should you should check

on him because When people do something like

this, they usually kill themselves. And I'm like,

trust me, I'm like, I am not dying. I don't have

suicidal thoughts. I literally have just gotten

to the point with the collection where it's like,

it is so much stuff. It's so overwhelming. And

at the end of the day, while it's got nostalgic

properties to it, while it is valuable to some,

At the end of the day, it's just stuff like they're

just toys. They're just stuffed animals They're

just board games like a lot of that stuff Could

always be replaced And I can keep the stuff that

I want to keep but at the end of the day, it's

just stuff and I really I don't need that much

stuff Yeah, and like you said in the video and

again as I mentioned earlier in the podcast that

I will link the the toy walkthrough video with

Danny I'm also going to put up my Lovely comparison

photos from when the time both of y 'all y 'all

dumbasses made me cry in 2011 and made me cry

in 2021 bastards But it's one of those things

where like you said earlier Even though you're

selling your entire collection. You're still

keeping Certain key pieces that you want. You're

you're not leaving the toy. You're still a toy

collector You're still gonna look at the stuff.

You're not like Oh my god, I'm turning my basement

into a dentist's office like you're not doing

anything major major major And yes, you're right

as far as mental health goes when someone makes

a decision like this It's because like I said

your collection like When we had Dave on and

and Dave said this on his episode again, I will

link that in the show notes You know, you're

his Power of a turn whatever like if something

happens to him You're gonna be responsible for

his Thing and and both of y 'all's collections

even Danny's collection even Josh's collection

even though it's only one or two rooms for Josh

They're so massively huge that it Mentally, it

breaks you down to think about whether I should

sell it or not Does it still give me joy? And

I'm sure it does still give you joy, but it's

one of those things, like I'm saying, there's

too much of it. And there's usually so much of

a good thing that you're like, oh, crap, I need

to do something about this. Well, and people

commented on Danny's video. I strategically,

along with Danny, we talked about this a lot,

but I strategically knew I was going to make

this announcement of my retirement on our YouTube.

And I knew that something had to be done with

Danny because Danny and I started this journey

together online. Absolutely. And I knew that

I knew that it kind of had to end that way to

a degree. Like it's not ending ending right.

Right. Right. It's like but I also knew using

Danny and allowing him to come and film this

this haul video by stuff. would help me get the

word out even more about this toy sale. So I

knew going into it like I'm like this this is

strategically this is the best way to do this

like everybody gets something out of it and everybody

gets you know gets something they need out of

it. So absolutely and it frees up your basement

to do whatever you want to do with it. Yes, which

eventually that'll be revealed. It's gonna be

God. It's probably gonna be January February

before I Finish that video because I am documenting

as I go through personally. I'm kind of like

filming short little Segments like I'm not documenting

the whole thing because that's that's just it's

too much It's too much to document and it's just

me down there usually so I'll usually turn the

camera on I'll shut Alexa off because I don't

want any music playing because I want you to

be like, hey But I'll flip the camera around

on the phone and talk for a couple minutes and

kind of show the progress and talk about what's

been going on and so That there will be a video

of that and then the ultimate reveal of what

will be done with part of the space down there

Very cool. Very cool. I think it was interesting

for me watching because you and I have done a

couple toy deals here and there and It's always

fun looking at your collection. You're like,

oh, I remember selling that to do all that Yeah

and and so at the same rate, you know, I was

really happy that you gave some of that stuff

a good home and I think it'll still continue

to find another good home somewhere else. It's

another chapter. That's kind of my thought with

it is that the collection has become so massive

that it's become time to let others enjoy the

collection, enjoy their own pieces or portions

of that collection. Especially if it's something

that they have been just after and they're looking

for the best example of it, which a lot of the

stuff you have is very, very well taken care

of and complete and looks fantastic. So someone's

gonna be very very lucky when they pick up that

stuff. Yeah Yeah, being a toy collector is like

a never -ending story when you're done. There's

always the next chapter What is something that

does not have a toy of it you'd love to have

in toy form I don't know if there's anything

Particular that ever that never got a toy because

I think most of the stuff that I had wanted whether

it be the animated Beetlejuice series or the

original 87 Master Universe film, the live action

one, we've gotten toys for all that stuff now.

That William Stout collection is amazing. Yeah,

we've got the William Stout collection. We've

gotten an animated Beetlejuice figure. There's

not really anything left out there that I'd go,

I wish they would have made something with toys

of that because it's pretty much everything at

this point. Thanks to a lot of these companies

that was super popular labyrinth or you know

dark crystal stuff like that They've all had

toys made out of them. Mm -hmm What is a toy

that you love to have scaled up and functional

for real people? So the basic genesis of this

question is over on the pull bag I ask what is

one comic item you'd love to have in the real

world like Green Lanterns ring or Batman's battering

that kind of thing probably I don't know, it's

not necessarily a vehicle or anything, but I'd

want a life -size scaled -up Gloob Inspector

Gadget, just because that's one of my all -time

favorite toys. And I think a life -size version

of that with the helicopter that you could pop

in and out and stuff like that, I think that'd

be cool. I could totally see you having a life

-size costume you could put on that duplicates

all of those features. But you see I'm not a

cosplayer though, so it just it would never I'm

not I've never I've never had any desire to go

down that road But yeah, I mean I'm not even

not even as a cosplay though I think I could

totally see you having a helicopter pop out of

your head and just go to Walmart. That'd be fun

That would be fun. Go go deval helicopter And

it just kind of pops out and people just see

you slowly floating over Springfield's eyes All

right, we are up to question number 37 in a row

take it away Josh So Deval I I've met your your

spooze your spouse spooze. Yes spooze. I've met

your spooze. I have listened to you Married to

the collection for several years To interrupt

Josh's question The same thing that happened

the collection expansion extravaganza. There

was a number of years after a while there that

we just didn't go out as much because there was

no reason to because we couldn't really buy anything

because there was no room to put anything so

uh married to the collection kind of just faded

by the wayside because we really we didn't have

anything like adventure wise or toy wise to talk

about with one another because we hadn't done

anything for a while so and i'll add that marriage

the question or not marriage the question excuse

me oh uh married to the collection married to

the collection listening to that Right around

the time that I actually first got married was

incredibly insightful because you really heard

a lot from from Carrie from her perspective of

not being someone who understood having a lot

of stuff to being married to someone who had

a lot of stuff and learning what that was like

and especially learning that relationship between

the two of you And I'm sort of almost answering

this question for you, so I'm gonna stop but

I'm gonna finish the question How has your spooze?

dealt with your collection? You know, it was,

uh, when Carrie and I first got together, because

we'd known each other for 22 years, something

like that, I have known Carrie almost as long

as I have wrestled, because her ex -fiance wrestled

for us. And I met Carrie through there, and I

was one of the only few people that hung out

with her ex fiance that Carrie actually liked.

Not like at that time, but she could tolerate

me. She was excited to see me. We joked. We got

along just great together. When we got married,

when we first started dating, she knew I had

a bunch of stuff. She knew I had a bunch of movies

and I had a bunch of action figures because she'd

been to the apartment. So she'd seen all this

stuff. She kind of knew what she was getting

into when we were dating. you know she was okay

with it we moved in together she kind of knew

you know i had a room upstairs i had a bunch

of stuff in it it was around the time though

when my mother was like hey she had been paying

for a storage locker um for my for me and for

her but most of it was my stuff stuff from the

store stuff from you know just the stuff that

i didn't take that wouldn't fit in the apartment

it was all in storage and my mom was like hey

i'm going to stop paying on the storage shed

carrie was like What storage shed does it oh

yeah i never told you because i never thought

about it but yeah we've got the storage shed

most of it's mine she's like okay i was like

so we're gonna have to get that and she said

oh okay so you know we took my ford ranger at

the time and went over there to pick it up and

mom opened the door and i just remember carrie

going what the hell because it was full it was

a big you know huge storage shed and it was full

of crap and it was all my crap so she she never

really understood The collecting aspect of it

until we moved into this house that we currently

live in and we were unpacking and she discovered

All of my muppets and disney stuff and she became

enamored and just immediately fascinated and

then that started this this journey with her

of Loving to go out. She she kind of learned

what to look for what to find So she will look

through like comics and stuff and pull stuff

out for me, too. And so she's she's she's gotten

you know It started out as it's just stuff you

don't need it to hey, this is kind of cool Do

you want to get this you know? To a degree to

a degree not all the time but to a degree So

obviously as she grew to appreciate that Yeah,

and you started doing it as more of a a couple

at times going on these really fun trips that

I love hearing about yeah So that part of collecting

perhaps you you evolve the paths but prior to

making your decision to, you're in kind of partial

retirement collecting, you're still gonna be

collecting. But what was something that you struggled

with? And I'm gonna provide, and you can use

these answers if you'd like. A lot of people

say the cost of the space. Was there anything

else with collecting that might be a little bit

different than that? Or were those also your

two main issues, the cost of the space? I think

for everyone it comes down to space. I know Draper's

kind of in that and then aspect now where he'll

get something new in and I'll look at him and

go, well, how are you gonna put that? And he

goes, I don't know, I'll find a room for it.

I think for a lot of people it comes down to

space. It was never about cost for me because

I never, we always got deals on stuff and not

like, cause I finagle deals out of people. It

was just like, I just got lucky and found a lot

of the stuff for stupid cheap or bought it early

on. But you know, it's... These days now, it's,

and I kind of told Davis and O 'Carrie, like

it's more, now it's more about, I want the experience.

I don't need the stuff. The stuff's fun to look

at. I want the experience because, you know.

Carrie and I go we still go on these great trips

and have a heck of a lot of fun together and

Enjoy each other's company were out and love

shopping and people watching and stuff like that

and that's that's what it's become more for me

now is is It's less about the stuff and more

about the adventure and again. I'm also hitting

that same point. So I'm looking at everything

and Yeah, sometimes it is more of the adventure

and the memories you can look back at but I think

you also brought the same point I'm just I'm

gonna for a little bit of a counterpoint, is

that sometimes the adventure is finding the stuff.

Sometimes it is. I mean, there's always that

aspect of the adventure being the stuff that

you find. And that's very much true, especially

with Carrie and I's trips, is that sometimes

that is, in fact, we marvel at some of the stuff

that we've been able to find. But at the end

of the day, even though the stuff's involved,

it's still about the adventure. Want experiences

which is something Carrie's kind of been nagging

at me for years about is when we get old retire

She wants adventure. She wants experience, you

know And I kind of as I get older I start to

feel the same way. It's like I really want experiences.

I want to go do something We've never done before

let's go somewhere. We've never been before let's

go do this and while we're out if we manage You

know if we happen to stroll into an antique store

or something then we will but as we're talking

about experiences a lot of that sometimes comes

down to great memories Do you have one positive

memory I'm sure you have tons of positive memories

Do you have one positive and one negative memory

that you have with buying toys? Positive memories

are They're in abundance, especially with buying

stuff. I've got to meet a lot of great people

our buddy dealer Dan spike Forrester You know,

I'm friends with Jordan Himbrough From toy hunter,

you know fame Same with Steve Savino like I've

met those guys. I've hung out with those guys.

I've talked to those guys many times You know,

I got to meet I met David gall who people aren't

familiar with the name, but he's He's a third

-generation auctioneer. He's he was on toy hunter.

He was part of that group And he has amazing

hair. He does have amazing care for man his age

He he's got an amazing Star Wars collection.

He's a prototype collector. So he's got some

really cool stuff But I've met a lot of great

people enjoying this hobby. And that's what's

great to me is the people that I've met and that

I've become friends with. Flood, guys like you,

Mike, all these different guys that I've got

to meet because of this hobby have been great.

As for the more disappointing aspects of the

hobby, I think... Think I'd have to go back to

a lot of the the auctions that Dave and I have

been to together toy auctions and that Where

they just bring out the worst people? Who could

bid on any certain items, you know I've just

seen some terrible people at these auctions that

I'm like dude I and I would see these guys again

it shows and avoid their table because I'm like

I don't want anything to do with these guys because

they're garbage But that's kind of the the negative

aspect of the hobby is you meet a lot of times,

especially in toys, more in sports cards and

stuff, but it brings out all the worst in people.

Sports cards are still a thing. Well, yes, and

Carrie's motion to me reminded me of a story,

but she... Carrie, where was that? Was that at

an estate sale? Okay. Carrie and I were at an

estate sale in St. Louis, and... There was there

was a whole bunch of toys. We were going after

we were the first people there We got there at

the sale didn't start until 9 30 in the morning

and we got there at 3 o 'clock in the morning

Because I was like well if we're gonna go for

this stuff We really need to be the first people

there. So we went pulled up Carrie slept in the

car I went out and set in the in this driveway

and just the strangers driveway where this estate

sale was happening at freaking You know four

in the morning and just hung out there until

the sale. And our buddy dealer, Dan, showed up.

We made some friends. And there was a couple

of people, a few people behind us. And we kind

of had an idea where the stuff was inside. So

as soon as they let us in, there was this mad

rush. And Carrie got pushed down. Yeah, it was

it was ridiculous like these people that were

behind us called in extra people to come help

them and they were like I Literally saw this

one of these dudes Leap over a table to snatch

up these trays of figures and run out with them

and it was like holy crap people That's that

I'm gonna cuss here. I might be but out that

kind of shit is the worst humanity when it comes

to this hobby or people like that who will push

down a woman to get to toys and I didn't actually

get to see it happen I saw the aftermath and

I wasn't sure what exactly had happened until

she later told me she was like they pushed me

down I was like what the hell did I ever tell

you and maybe Mike I'll leave this up to you

did I ever tell you Deval so you had suggested

in a state sale appeared to me a couple years

ago I don't know if you remember that. Did I

ever tell you the result of that estate sale?

Vaguely, yes. You told me it was not a great

experience. Same thing, four o 'clock in the

morning. I go and get, I pull up to the house

and a guy greets me, knocks on my window and

he says, congratulations, you're number two.

I said, what? And he was signing up everybody

who showed up. He just took that responsibility

to sign up everybody on a list in the order that

they showed up. Right. He wasn't working for

the company. He was just the first one there

at probably three in the morning. I see him once

the employee starts showing up at about seven

in the morning. A bunch of us are talking in

line. We're hanging out, having a good time,

getting to know each other. I start finding out

that nobody is really going after what I'm going

after. I see this first guy in line. He palms

an undisclosed amount of money to the employee.

So the door opens. He is racing past everybody.

He kind of even shoved me a little bit, runs

out of the basement, gets down there, looks at

the table. It was all packaged Star Wars figures.

He just says, I'm taking it all. And the guy,

there's already somebody standing right next

to it, stacks it up and gives it to him and he

just walks away. Yeah, estate sales are a weird

beast. They're either really, really well done

and really well controlled or just a complete

cluster. And most of the ones that Carrie and

I have been to, say for one, have been a complete

cluster, which is part of the reason why we really

don't go to estate sales anymore because it's

just not worth the effort. just because you're

not so much that you're fighting with people,

you're always fighting with people at auctions

or at shows, but just the type of people that

come out to estate sales just are not worth the

hassle and the trouble of going. So if they want

to fight other people for it, more power to them.

I'm not going to be there for it. Yeah, that's

crazy. So like Josh has done throughout this

two hours, I'm going to throw an audible before

I ask the next of the last three questions. Tell

us the story of Puppet Deval. Puppet of All,

for those of you who don't know, that would have

been the 66 Batman in the Batmobile. Hey guys,

welcome to another review right here on toyworldworld

.com. It's me, The Ball, and my buddy, Puppet

of All. Why are you cowering? I hit you once!

I'm nowhere as mean to you as far as... I'm nowhere

as mean to you as far as... I'm done Where would

you live if you went back in time before you

met me? You'd be living with Bigfoot Yeah, what's

worse who's the lesser of two evils me or Bigfoot?

Over on toy world order at the beginning of tour

world order you've been actually as early as

that new toy smell I used a Puppet I wish Draper

was here. He'd be able to tell you who made the

puppets the original ones. He knew the maker

And they were just these weird folksy looking

You know puppets big old long arms big old long

legs. They could wrap around you they were supposed

to kind of be these Fun little things that wrapped

around either puppets. I bought him when I was

12 years old in Branson, Missouri Yeah, those

go back to the early 80s. I had one growing up.

Yeah So I've had the original puppet of all since

I was 13 12 13 somewhere around that age and

He has lived with me ever since and we used him

in an episode of that new Toy Story We did the

Muppet episodes I thought it'd be funny for me

to be a puppet for that episode and for Danny

to react to this puppet version of me So puppet

of all kind of started in that vein I used him

several times Uh, when we did toy world order

originally BC direct, who was one of the founders

of toy world order, um, out of California, we

were doing this thing with puppet of all where,

um, he had a crush on BC direct. So he had a

picture of him and all this stuff. It was, it

was just, it was the stupid thing that cracked

us up that we thought was funny. And we kind

of used him a few times during that. Uh, but

it wasn't until. Danny and I and Dave started

working on boards the show Together that puppet

of all really became what puppet of all is that

a lot of that has to do with Dave Draper What

why is it every time that I we get together and

I come in the frame you you now sigh at me Whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Yes, you showed

up on the mask and hit me So back to the future,

huh Doc Brown? It's funny because today's review

actually is Dave would would be in the shower

and his his His previous dog Casey who has passed

the past several years ago Sweet old I think

she was an Irish settler and Dave's gonna kill

me if I get that wrong But I'm pretty sure that's

what she was just a gorgeous beautiful beautiful

dog. She was so sweet She was so goofy, but she

would sit in his bathroom while he would shower

and he would talk in this voice like You know

that kind of voice which became the puppet default

boys, but originally it was just you know nonsensical

stuff and we started to actually I don't think

in the early episodes he even talked on camera

I think he just moved his mouth and we later

dubbed in his voice the ball eventually we decided

to have puppet of all start talking and that's

when Dave really created the persona of what

puppet of all will become that's honestly it's

it's it's all kudos to Draper because Draper

is the one who created that version of the character

like the the puppet existed but puppet default

that became known is all in thanks to Dave Draper

like it's it's all Dave's it all comes out of

Dave's evil twisted little mind when you find

out that Dave who is a a burly man is the one

making that high pitched voice kind of voice

it is it's very surreal to say the least Oh no,

it was super crazy at first. We would take trips

to Toyman and to entertain ourselves, I would

have a conversation with Puppet DeVall while

Dave was driving. And it would turn into the

most insane, ridiculous stuff that we could never

film. When we would go to the Toyman toy shows,

Dave and I would entertain each other in the

car and we would have conversations between myself

and Puppet DeVall. And they would be the most

insane, ridiculous, stupid things that went off

the rails that you could never film. But, yeah,

to hear that voice come out of Dave's mouth.

And he's gotten better about it, too, because

the later episode, the Puppet of Wall, he got

better at enunciating in that voice, because

that voice is very hard. Even I can't. Like,

I don't understand how Elmo's puppeteer does

that voice. Like, Kevin Clash was one thing.

But this new guy, I see him do the voice, and

I'm like, I don't know how you do it, man. But

Dave got really good at enunciating in that voice.

I can't do it. Oh, I can do kind of this. I'll

stop but you lose it quick when you start to

annunciate certain things, but they've got really

good at annunciating so Yeah, it's all The puppet

of all that everyone knows now is all is all

thanks to Dave Draper Like I had very little

to nothing to do with that. It's all literally

it's me reacting to Draper literally I Think

in the future at some point we are going to have

to have the four of us on here and we're going

to have to Resurrect puppet of all because well,

I don't think puppet of all is ever quite really

going to go away a hundred percent like right

I may not do videos, but you might see a puppet

of all video every once in a while just because

yeah, that's cool and every soft You have to

talk to somebody from the IRS and that voice

just comes up. You never know. Yeah That'll scare

him away pretty fast. If you could create any

toy What would you want to create? So basically,

any of the toy companies gives you the keys to

the kingdom. You can do whatever you want. What

toy would you want to create? Honestly, I'm probably

going to take a cop -out answer here. I wouldn't

want to. Only because I know how the toy industry

works. I know the the effort and the pain and

sacrifice that goes into making a lot of these

toy lines, and I am a lazy son of a bitch and

I don't want anything to do with it. What is

the one piece of advice you would give the toy

collecting fandom? If you're going to be in this

hobby, understand how this hobby works. Not just

vintage toy sellers. Understand how the toy industry

works. because I see a lot of people complaining,

especially right now with the shortages and Walmart

shelves looking like they are, and people are

blaming the toy companies. Hasbro just doesn't,

they obviously don't want to sell their stuff

because they're not putting anything on the shelves.

It's not that. Especially right now, the chain

of supply is so jacked up that there are literally

boats on the ocean. waiting to be unloaded and

have been waiting to be unloaded for months.

Shipping containers are astronomically priced

right now, where they were $3 ,000 a container.

They are now $12 ,000 to $15 ,000 a container.

It's that kind of stuff. If you don't understand

the aspects of your hobby, and yes, a lot of

the aspects are mundane, they're boring, you

just want to deal with the toys, I get that.

But that's the type of advice I have. for a lot

of people, that if you're going to get into the

hobby, if you're going to get into something

new, take the time to do the research, look around,

read up on it, understand how that industry works.

Like when I got into tabletop board games, you

know, the last five years, I didn't just jump

in willy -nilly. Like I started joining these

groups and reading all this stuff and understanding

more about how that industry had changed since

the 90s, since the last time I was involved in

it. and that kind of thing, you know, learning

about the Kickstarter campaigns and all that.

So it's really something I've always strived.

I strive on David DeValls too when people, when

Dave and I talk about people complaining or arguing

about certain things going on with toys and toy

lines and why things are priced the way they

are and this, that, and the other. I always go

back to people need to understand how their hobby

works. They need to understand what hobby they're

in, why are they in it? How does it work? Why

does it work this way? Why hasn't it changed?

You need to understand these different aspects

to really grasp the hobby that you're in. It's

probably not for everyone, but I feel like a

lot more people would enjoy the hobby more if

they had basic understandings of certain aspects

of it. Absolutely. What is advice you'd give

to kids who enjoy toys? Just enjoy toys. At the

end of the day, they're just toys. If they make

you happy and you have fun, then cool. Continue

to play with them, have fun, continue to let

them make you happy. Don't pay any attention

to the people arguing or complaining or telling

you you're stupid because you like this certain

toy or you like this certain company. Like what

you like. The people that are hating, just let

people like what they like. Let people enjoy

a thing. Don't piss all over something just because

you have a bad response to it or are angered

by something. Just let somebody enjoy a thing.

Why do you have to take the time out of your

day to shit on somebody's thing? Just enjoy a

thing. If you enjoy that thing, awesome. If I

don't enjoy that thing, I'm glad you enjoy it.

That's cool. And we can always find something

else that we both enjoy. That's great. Alright

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111 I have no idea what we're doing for episode

112 because somebody sunk the water world toys

for a couple of months, but anyway There was

a hurricane that came like literally there was

a hurricane that yes, we'll get to that Yes,

yes, we will eventually down the line. So next

episodes probably gonna be a display case But,

Mr. Duvall, thank you for taking the time to

join us. It is always so fun to podcast with

you. I remember, I think it was, I don't know,

you were on one of the earlier, earlier episodes

of Toycast way back when, seven years ago. I

think we did the Men of Steel where we were trying

to talk about Superman toys in episode 78 and

we ended up talking about anything else because

there wasn't really much to talk about. Superman

action figures Boy any final thoughts from you

Josh before I run through the outro So I know

this is obviously not a goodbye to deval by any

means deval will be around deval You're still

keeping the Dave and of all podcasts for quite

some time. Oh Yeah, now the podcast is that was

something David. I talked about when I when I

told him You know cuz Dave and I talked about

all this stuff before I even made an announcement

of any of it But I talked to Dave and I was like,

you know, I don't want to do videos anymore.

I kind of want to just step away I kind of want

to fade out into the you know into the sunset

But the podcasts I said are going to continue,

you know Continue period until probably one of

us dies. Honestly, so So this isn't goodbye by

any means? No, no, no, no. You can still hear

David and I every week on David DeWalt's Toys

and Collectibles on Toy World Order. It may not

even, it's not necessarily the last video I do

because there's still a bunch of projects that

I have on the computer on hard drives that I

kind of like to finish up. The big project that

I'm working on. And then I'm sure I'll pop up

from time to time with Pixel Dan or at shows

with people or even on Toy World Order itself

just because I happen to be there, and somebody's

got a camera on my face. It's definitely not

goodbye. It's, you know. But I did want to say,

coming from almost nine years ago now, just shy

of 10 years ago, where I started listening to

your show. Your show was the soundtrack for my

hour -long car ride to work and my hour -long

car ride home. to go from listening to you and

then awkwardly meeting you at a Cain County.

Yes. Wait, wait, wait. You can't skip over that.

What do you mean awkwardly meeting him? It was

actually more Dave than Deval, to be honest.

So there's Dave, Deval, Danny. There's a lot

of D names. And of course, I go and meet them.

And I will be honest, I thought Deval's first

name was Deval for the longest time. So I go

up and I introduce myself and I you know, I saw

them at my first King County and They're people

I have listened to seen on videos and now they're

in person and this is my big moment to impress

them. Oh Hi, Deval and Dan Dan and Draper's response

to me was After I actually apologized and introduced

myself. He's like, oh, what was your name again

Justin? Thanks great But no, this this has actually

been a very very cool experience I a lot of this

I've had the fortune of knowing already going

into it But right it seems like almost a full

circle a little bit of hey, man This is this

has actually been quite an experience to say

I was there hearing a lot of your early stuff.

You got me through three years of very long and

difficult commute right and now we're at this

point so I just I thank you for for the hours

the endless hours of content and the work you've

put in for probably very little profit or income

out of that so so thank you you're welcome and

I have to say thank you to you as a fan to Mike

as a fan to anyone who's ever listened to us

that are fans because it's it's it's always been

The fans that that Dave and I have have had that

Danny and I have had have always literally been

probably some of the the best fans in the world

because They're just amazing people every one

of them that we've met and talked to have just

been simply amazing And I've loved like I told

Carrie like I've loved this adventure. I've loved

doing what I did for almost 14 years I've enjoyed

it but just like when I was in the ring wrestling,

and I thought, especially after hurting myself,

ripping my ACL out of my knee, and then coming

back and wrestling a couple times, I figured

wrestling, it's time to step away from this and

do something else. Just like with wrestling,

it's time for me to step away from being a toy

YouTuber and go moving on to something else,

honestly. It's just time to continue the journey

forward. absolutely and of all we'll be back

on toy cast because just because because hello

because we have display cases and all kinds of

stuff and like we said he's not getting rid of

everything and I'm sure he'll be buying some

more stuff at some point yeah but you know it's

it's it's strange though that this the pile of

stuff that I'm keeping looks really big but it's

because I've got it in I've been using these

paper boxes we get from work that are you know

they they hold ten rooms of papers they're big

boxes I've got those loaded up with a bunch of

stuff and they're stacked up against the wall

and you look at it go That's a lot of shit Actually,

it's not because you look at it and go well those

two boxes I'll have modern transformers in them

and that's like one shelf worth so Yeah, no,

it's not and the reason why I will never ever

get rid of the wall and it was only a scheduling

conflict at Deval did not appear with Dave on

episode 100 because the my plan was to have you

both on the same clip Yes, yeah, but anyway,

let's be fair. That would have been a five -hour

episode Yeah, innovative of itself. Yes, that

would have been the longest podcast because at

this point that would have been ten hours So

I believe it was our second or third GCR an award

show that Toy World Order one for podcaster youtuber,

whatever And I love that you still have that

banner. Oh yeah, absolutely. That was fun because

I remember winning that and I remember so many

people on your forums were like... Who the hell

are these guys, and why did they win? And it's

literally because we told everyone that listened

to us and that watched us, go vote for us. And

they did. Everybody voted for us. Hey guys, Deval

here from toyworldorder .com. You know, recently

we won an amazing award. We won the GeekCast

Radio Network's best favorite YouTube series.

And it was a fan -based thing, and the fans really

came out and voted for us as Best YouTube Series.

So, thank you to all the fans. It was a great

award. We were super honored to... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

My list of people to thank. Your list of people

to thank. My, my, my, my to thank people list.

The scroll is tied. It's just... Oh, okay. Oh.

Oh my god. Really? You probably should say something

about this that you do not understand. Thank

you for blocking my lights. Holy crap! You stop.

It goes all the way to the floor. Me thank list.

Me thank list. With a little, with a little,

a little puppet of all, yay me there in the corner.

With my superman set. And my award. And me with,

it says gur me mean? Yes you are. Is that the

Pickle Man? That is the Pickle Man! The Pickle

Man. Why is the fire here telling me I'm stupid?

Because you're stupid. Puppet Duvall would like

to thank... Yes! Conway Twitty. Yes! No interrupt?

Yes, we do! You're like Beyonce! But thank you

for not interrupting my speech! It's not, not

Conway Twitty. It's Kanye West, not Conway Twitty,

but I guess you're close. The Academy of the

Internets? I'm sorry, apologies. Thank you for

this prestigious reward. The fans? Yes. And then,

in parentheses, ask for money? Maybe, we'll see.

He's a dog What is this Mike That's Mike Blanchard.

Sure, why not? You owe him, he owes you food?

He owes me, he said, one more run -up of his

dinner! I won! Where is my dinner, Black Munch?

I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. The Pickle Man?

Yes. We may not get along personally, but I respect

his professionalism. And his money. John or Leonard?

Yeah, he's got two moons, what is up with that?

Yeah, they've been with us from the start, but

then they left, and they were a big part of this

website before I came along and helped kill me,

you guys. So, thank you very much. You'd like

to thank Steven. Steve! Who's my best friend?

I don't even know who Steve is. Who's my best

friend? I don't... Firehair? Fair enough and

she hasn't killed me yet. No she is not number

11 on your list is Google Google sock Number

12 is pappy you'd like to think pappy Deval He'd

like to think Mike is a non -z That's how you

spelled it He would like to think the losers

Battle trailer park and bowling He would like

to think Al Gore, because him invent YouTube.

You'd like to thank Bigfoot. Yep. Elvis. Because

he seriously hung out with Bigfoot. Patrick Soprano.

Because we live in Columbus. It's Patrick Sinatra.

The I Pete but no other Pete Pretty lady from

toy, man You don't have a shot Batman This is

the pickled man with money apparently puppet

devolved with a cape fighting the Incredible

Hulk you riding on top of a dinosaur with me

saying stop having fun and apparently farting

cheese Bigfoot throwing poop at me And then You

a bunch of flags me Bigfoot and pickle man, and

then it says games Oh Six Flags Six Flags there

you There's a lot of names on this Number 128

is Russell Kay, because he starts EverKiss. That's

EverKiss begins with, nevermind. Robert Hardafill,

R .J. Smith, Rafael Padilla, Quincy Elementary,

Watson M .D., I'm not reading this list anymore.

I'm not. Matt Boo's with a ghost that says Boo?

At least you got Matt Boo's name right. You think

Kaboom! Nerdinator. You think John Solo, and

he's got... Because John Solo apparently likes

depression and darkness. David Williams David

prank mantis Gilman Chris creepo me Yes, yes

count Brian or lack Andrew Mortimer who was apparently

a foreign devil Benjamin Scott Spencer, Beau

Clay, Bob Gilmer, some of these names you got

right. Bob Thorne, I'm very impressed. Alex McKay,

mm -kay. Mm -kay. Andrea Brie, if that's your

real name. I'm not so sure. Will. I. Am. Bruce

West. It was Pure West. Pure West. The Empty

Chair? Yeah, that's not the simplest ones. The

one that's a guy and the one that's a - The Geico

Gecko Gordon Gecko and Gorilla Grodd all in a

row and then Clyde the monkey who's Clyde the

monkey is that from Gang thank you very much

for voting us best YouTube series and geek ass

radio network second annual awards. We appreciate

it very much Thank you from the bottom of my

heart, it's what? Thank you. You didn't, you

forgot a name. I forgot a name. I saved the best

for last. You, my friend, the best for last.

Oh, is it really on there? Thank you, Mr. Q,

Danny. You did. You know, I wasn't so much worried

that I wasn't on the list, but when I'm on the

list as the That other guy? That hurts. Not only

did you thank someone below... You thanked Usama

Bin Laden. And then you thanked that guy. And

then you thanked me. I guess I should be grateful,

but... I don't know what to feel at this point,

gang. Thank you very much for voting us. Best

YouTube series. We appreciate it. And here's

to another year of ridiculousness, because that

is what happens here. As you can see. Thanks

guys appreciate it Thank Usama bin Laden before

you thanked me And it was the greatest thing

because all these people were like I've never

heard of these guys If you've never heard of

Jason Duvall Dave Draper Not necessarily to a

lesser extent but pixel Dan man You need to do

some internet researching, folks. So, yes, thank

you, Deval. And the other thing, you know, the

other quick thing before I run through the outro,

because my memory is I'm old, people. I'm really

old. I'm not Draper old, but I'm old. My lovely

ex -wife and I, I have to refer to her like that

just in case the Social Security Administration

is listening. It doesn't sound suspicious at

all. No, it doesn't. But hey, at least, you know,

I said it correctly. uh we had the chance because

we were going through uh springfield because

she we at the time we were living up in gurney

illinois we're going through springfield to get

to missouri or misery as most people that aren't

from that state would call it uh and we said

hey we're gonna be in springfield i'm like i

know like seven people in springfield yeah yeah

and i'm like hey so daval came out and had dinner

with us that night so that was awesome Just a

fun old time. Thank you for joining us here on

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Trying to sleep! Orko, you've been asleep in

the backseat all this time? Yeah, I hope I didn't

miss anything exciting. The definitive story

of Deval. The Deval -o -finivative? I think I

like mine better. Fine. I digested it. Josh has

got a green day in his pants. Oh no. You know,

I actually had to come up with when we'll be

talking more toys here on Toycast because I ended

up stealing, keep playing with your toys for

like three episodes. Like, I gotta come up with

something else. That's funny. See you later,

bye bye.