Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego

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I'm your host, Optimus Solo, and I'd like to

say hello and welcome to the 18th episode of

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Network. And today we're once again looking at

game shows from our childhood. And we have a

whole slew of people with me here for today's

topic. Let's start with probably our most frequent

co -host here on the Telecast, Steve Megatron

Phillips. Hello. Hello. Good to have you back,

sir. We also have TFG1 Mike with us. Hello. Hello.

And I think making her first appearance since

episode four, if I'm remembering right, is Tara

the rising star. Hello. Hey. How's it going,

everybody? Going great. Glad to be back. It's

going. It's going. But anyway, today the four

of us are going to be talking about Yeah! Well,

she sneaks around the world from Sia to Carolina

She's a sticky -finger thug chucked from Berlin

down to Belize She'll take me for a ride on a

slow -motion China down there Where in the world

is Carmen Sandiego? Steal their soul and stop

to realize that I could cry on Well, they never

are, she'll sell her steel to make home from

the town's old county. Where in the world is

Carmen San Diego? She goes by Nashville to Norway,

by the end using my horse in Chicago to check

on Slovakia. And back! Well, she'll rent that

cracker stand in front of Scams in Scandinavia,

make sure to stick them up down under, and go

to make pockets burn. She was done fixing Mr.

Mina when she stole... Where in the world is

Carmen Sandiego? Where in the world? That's right

folks, we are talking about where in the world

is Carmen Sandiego, which is almost impossible

to say without singing the theme song. But before

we get too far into our discussion on Carmen

Sandiego, just a quick bit of background information

on the show. It debuted in 1991. It lasted until

95 on PBS, so one of our rare non -Nickelodeon

game shows that we're talking about. It was a

30 -minute show, lasted for five seasons, and

I did not know this, but it lasted for a grand

total of 296 episodes. I had no idea there was

that many episodes that aired. Wow. Yeah. uh...

for those of you that don't know where in the

world is contained you know was a game show that

was based on the popular computer game of the

same name and in the game show contestants were

tested on different geographical knowledge and

memory as they tried to capture not only a crook

but then also the elusive carmen san diego let's

start with mike mike what do you remember about

carmen san diego the chief i love the chief she's

so cool she's hilarious I remember the entire

format of the show of like the earlier seasons

of the show Once it spun off into different shows,

I didn't really care for those thought it was

kind of weird But the original show I love the

theme song everybody loves Rockefeller. Oh my

god. That was so awesome I have to say though.

I just watching it back. I think that I don't

know what kind of Like process the contestants

went through, but they have had to have gone

through some jeopardy type processes because

some of this stuff, I just don't think kids those

ages would, I mean, regardless of being in school

and learning geography and all that stuff, I

just don't think that they would know that unless

they were tested on it before each, each. television

show. I think they are screened but I think it's

kind of like the same thing that comes to light

when you watch like Are You Smarter Than a Fifth

Grader is you think some of those things those

kids wouldn't know but when you're in the moment

your short -term memory of what you're learning

in school is so good at that age that I think

you're sometimes can be surprised at what kids

retain. Even just for that little bit, I mean,

those same kids aren't going to know it again

a year from then or a couple years from then.

But if it's something they're learning in school,

you could tell the ones that had more knowledge

in that topic or that area of the country based

on their answers. But yeah, I remember, like

you said, I remember the format too. But I didn't,

before rewatching some of the episodes, I didn't

remember the earlier rounds as much. I had a

crystal clear memory of the bonus round. I had

a crystal clear memory of the Chief and the different

people that were involved and of course, Rockefeller.

I wouldn't have been able to tell you the exact

form, like the exact rundown of the first couple

rounds without rewatching it. What about you,

Steve? What do you remember about this game show?

Well, obviously the Chief. I mean, that's the

most memorable part of the whole series next

to the goofy way they introduced every kid in

every episode. Yeah. They'll get the hat and

then they they turn around do some kind of goofy

pose. It was like iconic 90s I've forgotten about

that and I had forgotten about the poses until

I rewatched it and of course the Rockabella that's

got the most I don't know awesome intro music

Yeah, it seems to me like the game show could

have almost even been bad But just them having

Rockabella was like a major like it would have

been successful. No matter what Like as long

as I got them doing stuff like throughout it

and singing little riffs and tunes and stuff

like that It's like that just made the game show

for me But yeah, like you said the chief to the

chief was iconic Tara you were obviously a little

bit younger than us. So you have probably maybe

a different experience I don't know but what

do you remember about the actual game show from

your childhood or from whenever you watched it?

I remember a ton of stuff about The show actually

to be honest, even though I am, you know the

youngest person here I still remember a lot,

and one of the things I have to say I remember

definitely is the chief. She was an iconic person

for me from that show. Also, I can't remember

the main guy's name, but the host. Yeah, the

host guy, because he was just really funny. And

also, Carmen Sandiego, I can't forget her. Definitely

part of my childhood. As some people know, I

do have an older brother who is 10 years older

than me. So I did get into some of the older

shows that weren't quite as popular for me growing

up. And Carmen Sandiego is definitely one of

the shows that I can say is part of my childhood

and that I won't forget. And also, as you guys

have mentioned, the ever... popular theme song

yes which is by far one of the greatest theme

songs in the history of the world the other thing

i will say really quick is is that they didn't

just do the theme song they did the music for

the entire show oh yeah And that was so cool.

I mean, because they were basically outside the

agency. I watched a few episodes of Greg. He's

like, oh, let's check the word on the street.

And then when he goes outside, there's an actual

word on the street. I'm like, oh, god, that's

old 90s cheesiness. You can't forget the prizes,

too, they gave out in the 90s. Oh, I know it.

Yeah. And we'll get into those a little bit later

on. But I want to get into a little bit of the

who's who before we get into too many other details.

We kind of talked about the chief a little bit.

But during this game show block, really, with

the Who's Who. We've kind of been looking at

mainly the hosts of each of these different game

shows and kind of comparing them with each other.

Now I know not all of you guys were on the Guts

episode or the Legends of the Hidden Temple,

but I'm sure most of you are aware of the different

hosts there. We had Michael Malley with Guts,

and we had Kirk Fogg with Legends of the Hidden

Temple. Greg Lee as the agent in charge or the

agent in charge of recruiting these gum shoes

or whatever his title was Presented a little

bit of a different host there I don't know if

anybody has any opinions as how he stacks up

to both the guts and the legends of the hidden

temple host Mike How do you feel this host did

given the kind of the atmosphere of this show?

Greg's the best out of out of the three just

because It also goes to the format of this game

show. It's detective agency. It's police work.

It's not going into the jungles looking for hidden

idols and being a purple parrot which kills the

green monkeys. It's not Mike O'Malley cheesing

it up in the 90s. It's none of that stuff. You

know really serious type of thing and I would

actually argue that both he and the chief are

yes I know Greg is the main host of the actual

game show that interacts with the with the contestants

but I would still argue that the chief is still

a very main part of hosting that show. Well to

me the benefit of Greg Lee which is seems kind

of weird because Michael Malley is the one that

goes on to be like the biggest actor out of them

if you want to call it that as far as like the

most. getting the most work after his game show

days. But it seemed like Greg Lee had to do more

acting in this game show than either Guts or

Legend of the Hidden Temple did. I mean, in those

two, you're basically just facilitating, keeping

score, introducing events and stuff like that.

With Greg Lee, he was interacting with all the

different clues that were coming in. He was interacting

with the chief. He was being funny but not in

a over -caffeinated way like Michael Malley.

He was acting and being funny, but to me it wasn't

as cheesy because it was intentional. I don't

know, it just seemed like I liked the way he

interacted with everybody a little bit better

and it seemed the least awkward out of them.

Steve, what do you think about the three different

hosts comparing them together? Well, definitely

Michael Malley left something to be desired,

but as a host, he's a better actor than he is

a host. And the Legends of the Hidden Temple

host was pretty good too, but I'd still say that

I agree with you guys that Greg Lee was the better

host out of the three, and that he brought something

different to the table where he actually had

to work for his money. Yeah, it seemed like he

did the most, he was like the most over, like

the most well -rounded as far as like doing different

things. He wasn't just... doing the play -by

-play, so to speak. But if he would have been

like Michael Malley or the other guy, it probably

wouldn't have turned out so hot in the game scenes.

Yeah, that's true. I think it did help that he

had the chief to interact with and kind of...

Yeah, bounce off of each other. Tara, what were

your thoughts on Greg Lee? Oh, I loved him. I

thought he really fit the character well and

did a great job of hosting the show. Unfortunately,

I didn't really get to know the other hosts that

you guys have been mentioning. But I have to

say, Greg Lee, really good job. And I enjoyed

seeing him on that show. Yeah. So I mean, he's

the main one. We've already kind of all talked

about the chief a little bit. But is there anything

else that anyone wants to say about Lynn Thigpen,

Mike, or anybody? The chief was awesome. Yeah,

the chief was awesome. May she rest in peace.

She died a few years ago. It really hit me when

the news came about that she died because I know

that she's technically a secondary character

in this, but arguably she's the most famous out

of the game show block because She went on to

do The District. She did guest stars in Law and

Order episodes. She had done multiple other things

before she passed away. But yeah, I mean, she

was just a great, great actress. She was the

only carryover to where in time is Carmen Sandiego.

But didn't Greg, wasn't he on that as well? I

don't think so. Yes, he was. I don't know. I've

never seen that one. Tara, wasn't Greg on Wearing

Time? Um, I believe, uh, you know what? I believe

he was, to be honest. Yeah, he was. He had a

different look, though. He was, like, all spacey

and... Yeah, it was a different look, but he

was there. Yes, he was there. The Chief, honestly,

the Chief was just, she was, she's what made

the show, if you think about it. Because every

person you ask about the Carmen Sandiego franchise,

who do you like the most? The Chief. I would

have said Rodapela, but... Greg Lee was not in

Where Is Time. Sorry? Did you say Steve? He was

not in Where Is Time. Greg Lee was not in Where

Is Time. There's somebody else... It was Kevin

Shinick. Oh, I could have sworn... He's just

right yet again. Whatever, shut up Kevin. So

we'll get more into these guys a little bit later

when we're talking about where they are now and

some stuff like that, but I think it's time now

for... The Blood. That's right, it's time for

the good, the bad, and the ugly of Where in the

World is Carmen Sandiego? I'm gonna try to do

this kind of like we've done the last two episodes

and... We'll talk about a few of the different

things that happened during the game show, including

the rounds and the prizes and whatnot. But I

want to start with the contestants and kind of

look at them a little bit, or the gumshoes, as

they were called. It was a pretty interesting,

to me, mix of contestants, much smarter than

the contestants we saw on Guts or Legends of

the Hidden Temple, since it's obviously not really

an athletic game show or stuff like that. I would

say the Legends of the Hidden Temple were a little

bit smarter than Guts, but these guys seem to

be a little smarter in all of them as far as

their ability to remember facts and just know

some general geographical knowledge and stuff

like that. How did you like the contestants on

this one, Steve? I thought that they were a lot

more well -rounded and there was a lot more personality

being able to be shown through these contestants

just because it was more of a kind of a what

you know, kind of like what you mentioned, more

of like a Jeopardy! style than a... Just, you

know, go at it physically, type phalange. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree that I think well -rounded is a

good way to put it. Mike, what did you think

about the gumshoes we had? They're not as cheesy

as some other game shows contestants. I mean,

they're honestly, they're kind of... I seriously

equate this show, at least the beginning rounds,

as... A Jeopardy show for kids, but with Carmen

Sandiego, because you have the exact same format.

They start the show out, they have a round, or

they start the show out, they learn more about

the contestants than you have a round. That's

very similar to what Jeopardy does, where they'll

have round one and then they'll have a break.

They'll come back and Alex will talk to the contestants.

Out of the episodes that I watched, I didn't

find them to be too cheesy, too over the top.

They're just there. I find it really weird what

some of them, what Greg would ask them what they

want to do or where they've been. I find it really

weird that kids back then would have gone to

Japan or lived in Japan at that time, especially

American kids. I find that really, really weird.

It happened. But I think it's the same thing

like whenever you talk to kids, like with all

these game shows, there's a little bit of awkwardness

because none of the kids are real confident in

themselves. They're all very nervous and kind

of, you know, shy or withholding stuff because

they're afraid of, you know, it's not like they're

out on the playground with their friends, so

you always have that awkwardness. But I think

they did pretty good with explaining some of

the things that they were into or some of the

things they wanted to do. What did you think

of the contestants on this one, Tara? In terms

of the contestants, I thought they were interesting,

to be honest. They were all different, they all

came from different backgrounds, they were all

pretty smart kids. I think they even added something

to the show, you know? It's different compared

to game shows that we have now, but then again,

that was, what, the 80s, early 90s, I'm guessing?

So, you know, it was a different time, but I

think for the time that the show came out, it

had its magic. It was pretty good. Yeah. Another

thing I kind of almost even forgot until I rewatched

some of the episodes was the animated bad guy

characters that came across in the show. Not

just Carmen Sandiego, of course, but Double Trouble

and, you know, I forget all the different names

for them, but there was Probably between 6 and

12 different bad guys that they would rotate

through within the story as far as who the kids

were trying to capture or hunt down in the main

rounds of the show. And there were some interesting

people that did some of the voices for them.

IMDB at least lists five different people that

did voices for them. The one that catches me

is Doug Priest because he also did voices, I

believe, for Thundercats. So, I thought it was

interesting that he was voicing one of the bad

characters that came across. Do you guys remember

any of the specific bad characters that they

used, or did you have any favorites, Mike? Vic

the Slick, I remember him. I remember Double

Trouble. I forget the chick's name, though. Oh,

man, it's Contessa. No. There was her, there

was another one, there was another blonde chick.

The blonde chick, yeah. I think you were right

there, Steve. I really liked the way that they

combined the live action and the animations with

it. That was really what I liked the best. I

liked it when the little guy would walk across.

Yeah, when they walk across the map. Because

it was just like the computer game in that respect.

Oh, I remember that. Because when you were at

when he actually picked the right space or the

right place to go to you'd always have like a

little clue You know like the bad guy would show

up or an anvil would drop or a pot of flowers

would drop or something like that So you knew

you were at the right place and they did it this

way whenever somebody guessed the right answer

Although a couple times they messed up and they

had him go across when they had the wrong answer.

So Whatever, but uh, what did you think of some

of the bad characters Steve? I thought they were

pretty interesting. I mean, I remember seeing

most of them from My days of playing the video

game. So I mean, it was a little cooler seeing

them actually on TV. But I also remember some

of them were kind of hokey and you know, there's

bad of a pun on their name and referencing other

people or things just as bad as like the Mega

Man games were. Yeah, Megaman X games would would

do they would I mean they would have like spark

mandrel You know, it's it's kind of like, you

know double trouble. I mean, it's just it's it's

no different But they had guys that were based

off of real -life people like trouble. Yeah,

Jack Nicholson and so on I think kids like the

like those types of names though I think they're

drawn to those where they think it's funny and

they because they get the joke and then they

don't have To be very smart to get the joke And

I think they, I don't know, something I was always

drawn to as a kid when people had funny names

like that. And I think, like you were saying,

it's a good way to tie in the computer games

to the television show. Because instead of having

a real life person, they have the animated form

of this. And it just reminded everybody of the

games that they had probably played. But Tara,

what do you remember about the bad characters?

Do you have a favorite or do you remember any

of them? To be honest, I don't remember too many

of them. The only characters I really remember

would be from the spinoff, which would be Wear

and Time. I don't really remember too much of

the actual characters in Wear and the World.

I just remember the show itself, the format.

I don't really remember the characters. Gotcha.

Well, I think we should get right into my favorite

part of the show then, which is Rockapella. And

like Mike was saying, they didn't just open the

show with a theme song. They were always right

outside. They weren't involved in all the different

clues or whatever, but from time to time they

would go out to them for part of the clue to

the story, or you would hear them chime in something

from the background. They, to me, just absolutely

made the show. Then they also would end the show

with theme song, of course. After the final round,

the contestants and Greg Lee would, you know,

tell them to hit it rock -o -pella and they'd

do it one more time. I just absolutely loved

them. This is why I tuned into the show. Besides,

I was a history and a geography buff even as

a kid and I liked the whole idea of it. Rock

-o -pella is what made me tune in again and again.

The other thing that they did with this was You

know, like I said, they also did some of the

clues, but the other thing they also did was

in that search round, they did the loot, the

warrant. Double trouble. Yeah, sometimes when

the contestants would have a misstep and they

would have to go back and they brought the loot

back up again, sometimes they would say something

completely different other than the loot because

there was one episode that I saw where Rockapella

said something and Greg Lee was like, well, that

was random or something like that. Well, some

of the stuff they would say in that round, the

kids, it was over the heads of the kids. Yeah.

Adults or parents would have got them. Yeah.

Because they would make like, you know, comments

that were way over the kids' heads. But I remember

one round I was watching where the kids were

going forever before they found even the first

thing. It was just like nothing and nothing and

nothing and nothing. And a couple times the kids

would chew the same tile that they had already

chosen. And Rockefeller was like, still nothing.

It's just kind of funny the way they would kind

of come up with stuff just right on the spot.

I put a video link on the Facebook fan page to,

I believe it's an extended version of the theme,

but it's Rockefeller doing it. And I will put

it in the telecast post when we put this episode

up because everybody needs to see that, not just

because of the theme song, but because after

the original, whatever it is, 30 second, 45 second,

one minute theme song, they do more where they're

just going off of the beats and the riffs. And

it just shows their just true ultimate musical

talent. Well, and we're gonna actually let the

listeners hear here in a second a couple of the

things that I had completely forgotten until

I started rewatching. Obviously I knew there

theme song. I knew that they were around during

that whole episode, but I had forgotten a couple

of their other kind of things that they did every

single episode, and I want everybody to be able

to hear both of those. And the one is, at one

point in the game show, the contestants would

have to write down a wager for how many crime

books they were going to wager on a certain question.

And it was kind of like the whole Jeopardy thing,

but instead of Jeopardy music, uh... rockepella

provided the entertainment while they came up

with their wagers so uh... let's listen to that

right now here's a portion of the world where

we think patty larceny is headed now if you know

a lot about this part of the world you may want

to risk a lot if you don't know very much about

it though you may not want to risk quite so much

so take a look at the map and think about it

So we got to hear him do that and we also get

to hear him again a little bit later because

we're gonna get to this but when it got time

for the bonus round and there was only one contestant

left what they would do is they would ask the

contestant to write down on this little secret

paper that was put in the little portfolio or

whatever a location as to where they would go

if they won the bonus round. And while they were

waiting for the contestant to write down an answer,

we got to hear from Rockefeller once again, give

us something like this. What I want you to do

is write down where you'd like to go if you catch

Carmen Sandiego and win that trip. Do it. So

those are just two examples of different things

that Rockefeller would give us during the show.

Like we said, they would come up with different

things all the time. They were involved in the

whole thing. And that's what, for me, made kind

of every episode fun to watch because even though

the format stayed the same, you'd get little

bits and pieces that were different throughout.

But I want to take a second and real quick go

through the rounds just to see if... anybody

has any specific things they want to talk about

or memories from it and obviously every episode

had a certain story as far as which crook we

were trying to find and what they had stolen

and it was usually pretty interesting things

like the Liberty Bell or just weird stuff that

they were stealing so after the story was introduced

by the chief we basically got into the first

round which was three people three contestants

or gum shoes and they always had what we call

crime books or points for better you know, to

make it more sense there. And they would start

with 50 and then they would be working their

way up and they would basically just be these

random geographical type questions, kind of like

what Mike was saying with the Jeopardy! type

questions. But they would get their clues from

different stuff. Sometimes they'd get their clue

from the chief. Sometimes they would go to the

video monitor and get it from a random celebrity.

I remember the voice of Aladdin and Full House

guest, or not really guest star, but Scott Wenger.

They showed him for one. Sometimes they'd go

out into the area outside of the main place and

there would be people outside, whether it was

Rockefeller or some other groups. I remember

a rapper at the time did one of them. And they

would basically tell them a little bit and then

they'd go back to the contestants, ask them a

question, and they would earn points. You know,

sometimes Greg would go actually into the chief's

office and they'd have a little thing. There

was the lightning round, the phone tap. Do you

guys have any specific memories about this first

round or any of the skits that you remember or

that you watched that you kind of liked, Mike?

I couldn't. I watched like nine or ten different

episodes in preparation for this. There was...

Like every episode except for one they would

start them with 50 crime bucks and they would

Have like every time someone got a correct answer.

They would have the points go up obviously There

was one episode where the three contestants each

one of them had 90 One of them had 75, the other

one had 80, and it wasn't in the middle of the

show. It wasn't like in the middle of the round.

It was starting out. And every time they answered

a question, it went down. I think that was the

pilot episode. I don't know. I don't remember.

But all I'm saying is it was weird that they

would start them off at a certain set thing,

and then they would take points on what makes

no sense. Yeah, I think that was the pilot episode,

which is one of the weird things about that pilot

episode, because they were doing things a little

bit different. But yeah, I agree that that's

made no sense and I think that's why they changed

it eventually to start going up. I really loved,

really quick before you say anything, what I

really loved, more specific, I mean, I know we're

talking about specific grounds, but the interaction

between Greg and the chief was just awesome.

It goes back to what Steve said about Greg having

to actually act. and stuff like that because

technically they were acting I mean they had

to interact with each other and have you know

some sort of comedic timing and I really liked

that about the show it wasn't just ABCD game

show it wasn't just round one round two round

three it was it was comedy as well Well, and

it was that was kind of what I was gonna allude

to is I kind of liked it because He was acting

like a regular host and he was gonna go to get

to the next question Even though he knew he wasn't

gonna go there like it was like he was pretending

like okay It's time for the next question and

he would always get interrupted by something

whether it was the chief calling him into the

office or commotion outside the the room or you

know different things like it was is Something

that I liked about him because he knew it was

coming as the actor, as the person he knew he

was going to get interrupted every time, but

actually he made you believe that he was legitimately

going to ask the question if he hadn't got interrupted.

I remember once where he goes into the chief's

office and he basically says that it's snack

time or it's lunch time or whatever and he convinces

the chief that it's like ... trade day or whatever,

so he trades his lunch for her lunch or whatever,

and she has a good dessert or something, some

French dessert or whatever, and he trades her

for it, obviously. Then he's going out, and then

one of the Rockefeller guy gets it from him,

and then one of the Rockefeller guy gets it from

the other Rockefeller guy that just trades hands

six different times, and then Greg eventually

gets it back from the last Rockefeller guy. It's

just that interaction. It was just always fun

to watch. Steve, did you have any of those different

types of ways they gave clues, whether it was

a video monitor, going outside, the chief's office,

anything that you remember, as far as how they

presented the clues to the contestants? I remember

the guys that would die outside. Yeah. That was

funny. Which they'd all of a sudden go, and then

just fall over and lay there and then there'd

be a chalk outline around them. Yeah. And then

they'd like wake back up for a second and give

us part of the clue or something. Yeah. Which

was just, it was cheesy, but it was funny. And

then the lightning round where they'd have like

crazy lightning coming down, kind of act like

it was a big deal. Pretty good effects. Oh yeah,

it was cool. I mean, that's, I think part of

what kept my attention was all the crazy gimmicks

they did with everything. But, and then I remember

the phone tap too, just because, you know, they'd

basically make fun of the lower criminal with

Carmen being like, yeah, you're stupid. Yeah,

I did like how the Carmen was so much more sophisticated

and intelligent than the rest of the criminals

that they had. Tara, any of the ways that the

clues were presented that you thought were interesting

that you separated it a little bit from like

a regular game show? Oh, definitely. I have to

agree with the video, the little videos they

showed, but the most favorite way they did it

for me would have to be with the chief. Yeah.

And especially in the spin -off with We're in

Time, the chief would, you know, she'd be in

costume and she'd be, you know, some other type

of character giving clues. And I just, I thought

that was really interesting. It was a unique

way, you know? It was a good way to get kids

interested in geography. Oh yeah, I do. I have

to bring up one more because I saw an episode

today and I remembered it like it was yesterday

as far as watching it when I was a kid. There

was one time where they went in where Greg goes

into the chief's office and she has two heads.

I saw that today and I was like, oh my god, I

remember this exact episode because she basically

has half of her head looking to the right and

half of her head looking to the left. Wouldn't

that scare kids though? It did scare me as a

kid. I was like, what is going on here? And he

talks to her and what gets me is the way they

did it, she eventually takes her hands and like

puts her head together into one. And I don't

know exactly how they did it back then, but it

looked perfect. It was creepy. Yeah, so maybe

I'll try to find which episode that was or take

a screenshot of it and put it up on the post,

but I just remember that episode so perfectly

and I thought, wow, they tried everything to

get people's attention. Honestly, what is that?

Are you for In the Dark? Yeah, exactly. But anyways,

once they were done with the first round, what

happened is whoever had the two people with the

most points would move on and the other person

would obviously be asked to leave. and given

some cool Acme prizes but in the second round

I don't know why I like the second round because

basically it's just memory almost but basically

they would have a board up and it would have

I don't know anywhere from like maybe 15 to 20

different locations I could be off on the exact

number but at least a dozen different locations

that had to do with where the where the crook

was and the contestants would take turns picking

one of the locations and it would spin around

and it would either show footsteps which meant

nothing or there was three that they were looking

for the loot the warrant and the crook of course

and they had to get them in the right order so

maybe the first one would go in and find the

crook she'd get to go again or he'd get to go

again but they basically wouldn't be able to

do much because they have to find in the right

order so then the next person would go and pick

something else and it would go until someone

found all three of them in a row without any

of the footsteps and of course like Mike said

every time one of them turned around, Rockefeller

usually would say something. Especially with

the loot, the warrant, and the crook. Mike, what

did you think about this round? I think it was

the pilot again, where they had it backwards.

There was one episode I watched where they won

it in reverse. They showed the crook, they showed

the warrant, and they showed the loot, and I

was like, what? That makes no sense. Yeah, the

pilot was messed up. I don't know why I liked

this round so much, though. I mean, it's simple.

I like this round not simply because of the memory,

but more simply depending on the location. I

like the landmarks. I remember as a kid, I liked

picking out which ones I would have picked and

trying to predict where the things were. Because

it always seemed like because she always highlighted

some of them beforehand And it seemed like the

ones that she highlighted were usually more likely

to be the things than the ones that they didn't

talk about But and I also liked waiting to see

what Rockefeller was gonna say or just to hear

them say the warrant and stuff like that It was

I don't know why that thrilled me so much, but

uh Steve do you remember this round? Um kind

of briefly yeah More so just I don't know. I

remember them, you know, I remember the shoe

print part. I remember Some of like the location

but and I remember that they had you know, like

you guys said had to find everything in a certain

order, but It wasn't that I don't know. I didn't

remember much about that round It seemed a little

bit weird for me because I know the whole show

is supposed to be promoting like, you know people's

geography skills and the knowledge of those.

This round had nothing to do with anything except

for just randomly picking boxes and then remembering

which ones were which. The educational content

of this round is not very high. It was like hidden

jeopardy. It's just like pick a box and a box.

Tara, do you remember this round? Oh, 100 % remember

this round. This is actually one of the more

things, one of the things I remember the most

about this show was the memory matching second

round. That honestly, I couldn't even keep up

with it. Now I can, but back then, wow, you'd

have to have pretty fat, pretty good memory skills

and just remember the order things go in and

everything. Crazy and it was hard. Yeah, I liked

it. I liked it though It definitely, you know,

it did have you know that jeopardy s feel to

it But it it was cool. It worked I just remember

one round in particular because let's just say

they had like 16 different locations to pick

from I swear to God the one I watched yesterday

or today or whatever They literally picked 12

of the 16 things before they found something

like it was just going on forever and The host

is just like, nope, not it. Let's try again.

And see, that's why I think that at the end,

they only had 45 seconds because that memory

round goes so long. Sometimes it could go around.

It's like footage. It never ends. And you could

tell even on that one that he was getting annoyed

because the one time someone picked one for like

the third time they've picked this one, he's

like, nope, I think we've already picked that

one. It's like, there's nothing there. But it

was kind of interesting. But anyways, the first

person to get the warrant and the crook in the

right order basically won. And they got to pull

the little chain and put the person in jail.

The chain wasn't there, I don't think, in the

pilot. But eventually they'd pull this little

chain and put the double trouble or whoever it

was in jail. And then they would get a phone

call. I always thought that was kind of cool.

They got the phone call. It's almost like deal

or no deal. The phone rings. And it would basically

be the criminal they just put in jail. and they

would be writing out where Carmen San Diego was.

And that would determine which map was going

to be the map for the bonus round. Also at this

time is when they would let the kid write down

a location because the grand prize basically

for this. At one point it was any, you want a

trip to anywhere in the lower, in the mainland

48 states. I don't know why they always call

them lower 48 because why is it lower? But anyway,

the main 48 states there landlocked. Eventually

in future seasons it was you could pick anywhere

in North America. But they basically wrote down

a location like Florida or California or whatever

and they put it in a notebook and nobody knew

what it was unless they win the bonus round.

I will say though when the location is revealed

as far as what map they're going to go, good

God if they got Africa they were screwed. If

they got Africa, they were screwed. Not really.

Why is that? Because U .S., if you get the U

.S., if you don't know your freaking states by

the time you're old enough to be on this show,

you got some issues. Then you're knocking out

Africa. If you get South America, there's only

like 15 countries in South America. You get Asia,

there's a few more, there's around 20 some countries

in Asia. You get Europe, I don't even know if

they gave Europe as one of them, but there's

a good number of countries in Europe, but there's

over 53 or 55 different countries in Africa and

most kids don't know all of them. They know some

of them, but it was always fun trying to see

them do Africa because I don't think I ever saw

somebody actually win in Africa. The game changed

over the seasons. Basically what they'd have

is they'd have these light up little stick pole

things and the timer would start and the host

would read off a location and they would have

to go put this little pole on the country and

if they were right it would light up and make

a sound. If they were wrong it would buzz. If

they were wrong they could place it on another

country but if it buzzed again then they had

to go back and get a new thing in a new location.

At the beginning they had to go to seven locations

get seven locations correct in 45 seconds. Eventually

that would be changed to eight Depending on what

season we're talking about. It was actually pretty

tough 45 seconds is not a lot of time and The

other thing that they really kind of screwed

the contestants over in the at least in the pilot

if not the first few episodes of the first season

is The host would read too much like they would

get the poll and he would be like describing

the country before he says what the country actually

is and it was ate up so much of the time that

a lot of times the contestants would be just

standing around waiting to hear which country

it was but eventually they changed that and they

would just he would just blurt out the country

right away and they just run for it so at least

they did change that but uh what were your thoughts

on the bonus round Mike well there was an African

win I'm not saying there wasn't, I'm just saying

there wasn't. Right, but what I'm saying is that,

what I noticed, and I know you asked about the

bonus round, but what I noticed sometimes about

the question, or not the question, the one where

they're talking about the map, the different

locations on the map, this is before the bonus

round. This is like, these three clues happened

in which country and they would give you that.

Whichever contestants got those wrong, if they

managed to pull it out and get to the bonus round,

I found that they would win the bonus round no

matter what. In the episodes that I watched.

But the bonus round itself, I wish there was

less crowd noise. Honestly, I mean like I know

the whole point of it is to you know get the

kids to you know be enthused about doing it Oh,

yeah, you got the first one you got saying we

got the oh, yeah, you got seven You just need

one more one more, but the crowd noise was just

horrendous Yeah, there's a lot of pressure to

do that in 45 seconds. Yeah, I mean You basically

had like when it was in the beginning when you

had to get seven locations in 45 seconds That's

like six seconds about per thing and you sometimes

had to run all the way across the stage to get

to the lower part of the map and then all the

Way back to the other part of the stage to grab

the next pole which took three or four seconds

just in itself Yeah, but yeah, I'm glad that

they eventually just started reading off the

countries to help the contestants a little bit

What do you think about the bonus round Steve

like did you like this one is this one that you

would have wanted to play or Um Yeah, I liked

it. I would have liked to have played it just

because I like a challenge. Yeah But I do think

that if I would have got one of the other countries

or continents I would have been screwed So Yeah,

I'm I'm thinking that this would be fun to do

despite the low time. Yeah, it'd be fun just

to see, just to try, just for the heck of it.

I had mentioned in the previous episode that

the Legends of the Hidden Temple, the bonus round

in that, and going through the Temple run was

one of the bonus rounds that I would most like

to do out of all game shows except for one, and

that's this one. I would have given anything

to be able to do this bonus round when I was

a kid. I so wanted to be on this show and be

able to do this. So I think maybe we can add

this. I don't know if either of you guys have

listened to the Legends of the Hidden Temple

episode, but we're going to add this to our amusement

park. Oh, we have a GCR on amusement park now?

No, the idea that JT and I came up with that

the greatest amusement park in history would

be one that consisted of all the bonus rounds.

I agree. I heard the episode and I have to agree.

We're adding this one to it. We can have all

the different maps and you can try each one.

I gotta say though, when I watched the African

map win, when the chief listed off the countries

at first, the only thing I could think of was

Yako's world. Yeah. Because when she was saying

like Botswana and Uganda, I swear the first thing

that popped in my head was Yako's world. Yeah.

That doesn't that doesn't surprise me that would

probably would it plus they show a map and they

show the different things like exactly The weird

one the first the pilot episode was really weird

to watch because in the pilot episode instead

of the light beacons They had to put flags in

the different states They had to carry on these

flags and stick them in the states and I that

was just way too much I liked that the I liked

it when they went to the light beacons because

I like to see it light up and Spin around with

its like red little police light. I agree And

then, of course, if they won, you'd get confetti

and all kinds of stuff and whatnot. And then

they would usually go reveal where they're going.

And it was always like Hawaii or Florida or California

or something like that. And then after that,

they'd say, of course, there's just one more

thing to do. And then they'd say, hit it, Rockefeller.

And Rockefeller would take the episode out. So

just kind of overall... Looking at all the different

rounds look at the different prizes. They won

They also got spending money actually which they

never talked about during the show But they got

anywhere from like 300 to like I want to say

like $750 to spend to on their trip As well as

the actual trip and whatever else that included

but any other thoughts about the different rounds

the prizes the contestants Rockefeller anything

about the show Mike that we haven't touched on

It's funny that you mentioned they got Spending

money because they never really said on -air

What the trip include me like, you know, and

again, I have to compare this to other game shows

of this type You know Wheel of Fortune Jeopardy.

They always say You've wanted, you know, you've

won a trip to Jamaica with $5 ,000 spending money

or what, you know, whatever it is, right? They

never ever said They just said, you know, write

down where you want to go. And I find it really

funny that every single kid would pick California,

Florida, you know, somewhere like that. Yeah,

I actually got the money now It says they also

received extra money to add it to the crime bucks

as spending money season one They got 250 seasons

two through four. They got 500 seasons five.

They got 750 at the beginning and later they

got a thousand Wow And then of course there was

all the different consolation prizes that the

other contestants got like when they got their

Acme travel kits which some interesting stuff

like the Carmen Sandiego watch, or the sweatshirt,

or the t -shirt, or an atlas. I remember some

subscriptions to National Geographic World. The

Translator. Pocket Translator. Pocket Translator.

I wanted the travel bag. The travel radio and

the travel bag. Boombox. I will say one thing

for this show. I'm glad that it isn't just...

You know, oh you have to get the grand prize

to win anything Every contestant got a consolation

prize even though they didn't get to the final

round and get the trip Like I get that only one

person could have done that but I'm very glad

that they just didn't send these kids away without

anything No, it was good. It was good that everybody

got stuff and you know, of course it was all

kind of like, you know educational type stuff

or stuff that kind of fit the whole theme of

being like a, you know, investigator type sleuth,

you know, with the translators or the cameras

or the different stuff like that. So, I mean,

it was kind of cool little stuff. I mean, it's

not like they would have been used a lot, but

it would have been cool to put on your shelf

and be like, I won this on Carmen San Diego.

But overall, I just think, you know, there's

not too many bad or ugly things about this show

that I can come up with. None. None. Can we nitpick

anything? No, not really. See, that's what I'm

thinking. I can't really come up with anything

bad. You know, the only bad thing that I've ever

seen in this show is the pilot episode. Yeah,

but I mean, that's the same thing of someone

saying the first episode of every podcast sucks

because, well, it's the first episode. Yeah.

Yeah, but I'm just saying if I had to pick one

bad thing, the only bad thing I've ever seen

about this show is the actual pilot episode just

because they had so many things that they ended

up changing for the better. But yeah, I mean

I think overall as far as good the bad and ugly

Tara Can you think of anything bad about this

show or anything about the rounds or the way

that the the? You know the way that the show

progressed that you can complain about it all

you know I don't have too many complaints about

this show the only thing I can say that kind

of maybe bugged me was I guess it was a little

cheesy and some aspects you know a little corny

Yeah, I guess but it was meant to appeal to kids.

So I guess that's not really a valid complaint

Right, but but you know, I liked it. It was a

great just like the comment I made with the reading

rainbow it was a really really great way to get

kids interested in history and geography and

doing in a sense where it was fun and it was

interesting and it got kids interested in that

stuff because Frankly, some kids just, you know,

they're not interested into that stuff. It comes

off as boring. This show made it interesting

and no harm in that. And it was something about

like the scores that we were getting as a country

I think at the time in different geography categories,

like in some of those standardized tests were

so bad. That's what actually inspired someone

to actually bring the game show if I'm remembering

right. If I remember correctly, I'm not sure

if it's true or not, because I'm from Canada,

so I'm not sure if this is true, but I heard

that some Americans like back then couldn't even

find like... I don't know, America, like on a

map or something. Oh, that wouldn't surprise

me. I've had kids that I can give a blank outline

of the United States and they can't tell me which

state Alaska is, so... Yeah, there's lots today

that can't tell. So, I think that does it for

the good, the bad, and the ugly of where in the

world is Carmen San Diego, which means it is

now time for... That's right, it's time for things

you didn't know about Where in the World is Carmen

Sandiego? First thing is that the program received

not only a George Foster Peabody Award for excellence

in 1993, it also won four Daytime Emmys and was

nominated for three other Daytime Emmys. So this

is a critically acclaimed show. It wasn't just

something we liked. Like most educational things,

it got a bunch of awards. The second thing you

might not know about Where in the World is Carmen

Sandigo is in 2001 TV Guide ranked the show number

47 on its list of 50 greatest game shows of all

time. Now, I think, first of all I want to see

this list. Like always. No, we're not redoing

a list like that. TV Guide actually usually does

a pretty good job. What I'm saying is I'm very

surprised that a kids game show like this made

it on the list at all. I would assume that Double

Dare is on there somewhere, but I'm really kind

of happy that Carmen Sandiego was selected as

one of the 50 greatest game shows of all time.

I think that's cool. A third thing that you might

not know about Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego

is one episode in season two actually had a celebrity

team up with each of the gum shoes. So you could

find one episode that has Blossom, Tatiana Ali

from Fresh Prince, and Jeremy Miller from Growing

Pains all teaming up with the three gum shoes.

I'll have to try to find that one. But I never

knew they did that at all. A fourth thing you

might not know about the show is one episode

actually went unaired because during the bonus

round the contestant fell and broke their arm.

This apparently, this reminds me of last episode

where we had one of the bonus rounds of Legends

in the Hidden Temple got edited because someone

threw up. So how did someone fall and break their

arm playing this bonus round? I have no idea.

Maybe they just over one of the markers walking

running back to the hey Hey speaking of someone

who works in TVs who has a TV studio in their

school Yes, it is possible that someone could

have tripped over like an audio cable or a camera

or something I would have been dying No, I would

know if I would have been well hey someone breaking

something is a lot better than someone puking

on set Well, and then they just toweled her off

and they had to continue filming so they could

finish it so Almost like legends. Yeah. So and

the last thing I have for you, the fifth thing

that you might not know about Where in the World

is Carmen Sandiego is that it actually holds

the record for being the longest running game

show on PBS and the second longest running game

show in U .S. television history for children's

game shows, obviously behind Double Dare. Mike,

you had something you wanted to say about that

one? One of the coolest things about this being

a PBS show is every episode that I ever saw as

a kid, I'm originally from Boston, Massachusetts,

but every episode that I've found on YouTube

still has that intro of Lynn Thigpen saying,

you know, the networks it's brought to you by,

and one of them is WGBH Boston, and that just

always got me cheering. Oh, geez. Boston. Shut

up. But yeah, so I didn't know that this was

the second longest running game show, children's

game show in U .S. television history, so that's

a pretty good accomplishment. I would have been

able to predict Double Dare was number one, but

I would have had no idea what number two was.

But so those are some of the things you might

not know about where in the world is Carmen San

Diego. So let's talk real quickly about where

they are now as far as some of the people we

are talking about now. Mike already said most

of the stuff we need to say about the chief,

Lynn Thigpen. She passed away in 2003. She was

only 54, which is, I think, what caught so many

people off guard. And like Mike said, she had

been in the district. She was also a longtime

star on All My Children. And she was a voice

on Bear in the Big Blue House, which I believe

that show actually went on hiatus for a little

bit when she died as they were trying to sort

through things and decide what they were going

to do or how they were going to approach what

had happened. So rest in peace, Lynn Thigpen.

We don't need to say much. Oh, yeah. Now, they're

not around in the exact same formation as they

were during the show. There's been many members

coming and going and they've had different groups

and whatnot. The group that was together on this

show was Sean Altman, Elliot Kerman, Barry Carl,

Scott Leonard, and Jeff Thatcher. They did reunite

at two different points in the last couple of

years for three different points for these reunion

concerts. But the actual band, with one member

and another head, is still going. At the beginning

of 2011, the band's cover of It's a Small World

from their album Comfort and Joy was featured

in a theatrical trailer for the animated film

Nomeo and Juliet. So, Rockapella is very much

still doing things. They've done commercials

for Almond Joy, Taco Bell, Folgers, Doritos,

Budweiser, Arby's, interesting. I had to, I'm

sorry. And the most interesting thing I could

find about any of the original members that were

on during this show is Barry Karl. For anybody

that has seen the movie The Other Guys with Will

Ferrell, The Rock, and Samuel L. Jackson, everybody,

there's a scene at one point where they're in

a pub or a bar and there's an Irish singer. That

is Barry Karl from Rock -o -Pella. So I thought

I'm going to actually have to re -watch that

movie now and watch for that part and then watch

an episode of Where in the World in Carbon San

Diego and try to pick out which one he is. But

so any comments as far as where any of these

people are now or anything you guys want to add

that I missed? Good to go. Not really. Not really.

I will say with Lynn, with the chief, again,

I said it before, she's also one of those, she

was one of those actresses that would pop up

in the weirdest places. Yeah, I do remember seeing

her a couple times on Law and Order and stuff

like that. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, anger

management too. Like when the district premiered,

I absolutely loved that she was in that because

that was a regular gig for her for however long

that show ran and I just absolutely loved the

way that they had brought, you know, pretty much

put her back in the spotlight as far as being

a... you know, pretty famous actress and she

wasn't just a chief anymore. No, she could do

a bunch of things. She could do funny. She could

do a lot of different things. Also, I just wanted

to mention I wasn't able to find any contestants

that ended up being famous in any way, shape,

or form like we were with Guts. So we'll have

to see if we can find any in our next two episodes.

But Legends of the Hidden Temple and Wearing

the World of Carmen Sandigo apparently did not

have any contestants go on to be celebrities

of any sort. So I think it's time for a quick

intermission, but please don't touch that dial

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Alright, thanks for staying with us everyone

and you may be wondering how you can watch this

show now and the game show curse is going to

continue. What's Legends of the Hidden Temple

and Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? None

of them are available basically in any format

whatsoever it seems like. Carmen Sandio not on

DVD at this point, not on Netflix, not on iTunes.

So the only thing we need to talk about, I guess,

just real briefly is YouTube. There is a YouTube

user called Game Show Network, and he has quite

a few episodes that are total episodes up there,

whether they're in two, some of them are in two

parts, some of them are in three parts. So there

are full episodes out there. There are also YouTube

clips with just the bonus rounds in them that

you can watch. And there's some different Rockefeller

stuff and like little bit clips that you can

watch but hardly any of them that I found are

very clear Yeah, no the quality on them really

sucks, which is kind of terrible and unfortunate

Yeah, because I would have liked to see some

stuff in a little bit higher quality Did anybody's

find any any clips whatsoever on Carmen Sandio

that were actually crystal clear? No Yeah, I

didn't either. But at least they're out there,

I guess, so you can kind of see. I mean, it's

kind of unfortunate because some of them are

almost unwatchable. They're so blurry. But you

can at least watch them and get a feel for how

the show went. And you can remember stuff if

it's something that you watched as a kid. Mike,

anything else you want to say as far as like

the YouTube experience? Will say that game show

network is an actual it's not one person. It's

it's kind of like TV guide on YouTube It's it's

an actual channel network And I did subscribe

to them just to try to find more of the Carmen

San Diego videos I haven't gone through a lot

of their stuff, but I know that they are an actual

television network. So it's not like It's not

like somebody calling themselves Disney FTW one

and uploading nothing, but Disney movies and

getting poor user Channel taken down. That guy

was the greatest ever. Too bad. Didn't he get

his channel taken down or something? Yeah, I'm

so glad I had screen capped every single Disney

movie before that happened. Because he had every

single movie in high def on him. Did you download

any of them or no? No, I just screen capped all

of them. No, you couldn't download any of them.

I wish that somehow Netflix would get this. I

mean, I know that a lot of stuff, a lot of game

shows and a lot of reality shows now don't get

DVD releases just because the ratings aren't...

the interest really isn't there. I mean, most

people watch reality TV or game shows in the

moment and they don't watch them. I know I would

not watch past seasons of Big Brother. You know,

I mean... To me, though, there is people that

would get... There's three things that always

get abused when it comes to these DVD sets, because

they always... They do, like, all the television

series. Like, they do all those. But you're right.

They never do really too much on reality TV.

They don't do anything on game shows. The other

thing they don't do, which is kind of a whole

different tangent that we won't get into, but

I always thought it would be cool to do something

like wrestling, like as far as Monday Night Raw,

if they did actual seasons. I know there's not

seasons, but if they did like a year and they

had all of the raw episodes for a certain year

I know they just do and I know that instead they

just do like DVDs on a certain wrestler or certain

stuff like that But I think there's other things

in TV that could benefit from yearly or or season

sets Now see, they do do stuff like that. WWE

specifically for wrestling does stuff like that.

They have released in the past, they released

a three disc set which was like raw from 2007

to 2009. They just released a few weeks ago a

best of, the last 23 SmackDown. Right, but what

I'm saying is that they've done stuff like that.

I agree with what you're saying, there should

be yearly releases. The thing is, with WWE, they

want to do an overall scoping of the best of

the last 20 years or... That's why I hate them.

Well... I'm just kidding. But I want to reiterate

what I said in the last episode. I think there

would be potential to do a game show collaboration.

Now, I know Carmen Sandiego would probably get

left out of this, but Nickelodeon could have

definitely done... I don't know if they're all

under the same ownership or whatnot as far as

those individual game shows, but I don't see

why we can't get a... you know, a best of Nickelodeon

game shows that has like a couple episodes of

Double Dare, a couple episodes of Guts, a couple

episodes of Hidden Temple, you know, all on one

DVD, but it's something that we're just gonna

have to wait and see because it seems like game

shows definitely get the shaft when it comes

to this type of stuff. 100 % agree with you on

that. Yeah, the only other game show stuff I've

ever seen, and I think I still have it somewhere,

is more so documentaries. Like, I had a DVD documentary

on the basic history of Jeopardy and how the

show evolved from the 60s to the 80s to now.

So, but yeah, I mean, I agree. Actually, it's

funny. I could actually watch multiple episodes

of We're in the World just over and over and

over again because I like the show that much.

Well, and to me, it's... Well, I'll get into

it in a little bit. Let's actually get right

into it. Mike, let's start with you. Let's give

our radians, and at the same time, why don't

you give your last words on Carmen Sandiego,

all in one. A five, because it needs to be out

somewhere in... There's no five. Well, I'm making

a five, damn it, because the one through four

doesn't really... I mean, you know, I guess YouTube

could... I mean, YouTube is the only option,

but... Well, saying if it was out there. It's

not necessarily... Four. Okay, so you give it

a four and... Four point five. Give me an explanation

and your last words on it. You know, just overall

great fun game show between Rockefeller's music,

between the interaction with Greg and the Chief,

between all the animations, just very, very cool.

Steve? I would give it a four as well. I know

that it's not out in any form other than YouTube,

but if it was, I would... Definitely say this

is something worth watching again, even though

it is full of corny 90s puns But it was still

entertaining to say the least so I would probably

give it a four Excellent Tara out of four. I

would have to give the show a solid three Okay,

solid three. I have to just it's awesome. It's

educational. It's fun and just It's a great show

and I also really enjoyed the spin -off We're

In Time because I thought it really added something

in terms of, you know, where technology was going.

It really showcased that and it's a great show.

It's going to be part of television history forever.

And just, if you haven't watched it, do yourself

a favor. Go watch it. Yeah, and I don't do it

very often but I'll give this one a four because

I have a little nephew and niece actually that

are way into geography and they do like the little

sporcal quizzes online and we have a couple different

board games that they do with geography and they

know their countries like the back of their hand

and I think this is the type of show that they

would just eat up because I think this is even

though it is you know 80s 90s cheesiness I think

the educational factor of it makes it something

that you could show to any any generation. except

the only problem is as years go by and some countries

change, where some change names or this or that,

so eventually it will be dated to the point where

it will basically be useless, unfortunately.

As for now, as long as the countries are still

accurate, I think this is something that you

could show your kids. Eventually, if I had kids,

I could show it, and they would actually learn

something from it. But for me, the value is,

like Mike said, it's the Rockefeller, it's the

different skits, it's the comedic interactions

and the actual acting that made it more than

just a game show. It was almost like it was part

game show and part sketch comedy. So yeah, if

it was on DVD, I would get it for sure. Hopefully

the price wouldn't be too bad, but I would get

it. So any other last words before we wrap this

up? Yeah, I have my last word. Go ahead. I think

it's really sad that this is not available on

DVD or Netflix or anything like that because

it was such a great series and I think you know

how they just brought back, like, reboot back

onto DVD. and stuff so why not this show it was

educational you know so they should be and again

do yourself a favor go watch it if you have kids

you should introduce them to the show because

honestly you're not going to see a show like

this in our lifetime ever again it's just it's

not going to happen they're too focused these

days on like you know cartoons and 3d animation

and stuff like that to really care about you

know the educational content so game shows have

definitely taken a backseat to everything else

as far as kids go not game shows as far as like

make a million dollars and yeah that type of

stuff that's going strong but educational children's

game show educational or children's game shows

or whatever there is definitely a space for that

i wish somebody would take the initiative and

try to make a make some of those make a comeback

not necessarily the exact same ones but there's

I think there's a space that kids would actually

be in I know the hub does a few things with like

family game night and stuff like that yeah but

that's the hub that's not no I know I'm just

saying so they're at least attempting but I'd

like to see it on like an actual major network

or like a PBS or you know something like that

but they could they could do that they could

do that what I'm wondering is who actually owns

the franchise for the television shows. Because

if PBS owns it, I don't understand why PBS wouldn't

put out, like produce and promote DVD sets themselves.

Like if PBS owns it, they could do that, but

if it was something like Warner Brothers, where

Warner Brothers wanted to license somebody out

to do it, they wouldn't do that. Because it is

a children's game show. But if it's something

specifically owned by PBS, I don't see why they

wouldn't put the money into it. And yes, I know

PBS is one of those Public funded type of things

and blah blah blah, but still I'm sure that company

has Some sort of money to put into one of their

most popular well Their most popular game show

on their network Yeah, it probably go back to

the actual computer game and rotor bound or whatever

software whoever has that Yeah, I'm sure that's

the one that still has some type of licensing

over all things Carmen San Diego, but yeah Alright.

I find it odd, you know, that it's been so many

years and it's still not been released. I'm sure

it's had an anniversary by now. Oh yeah, it's

had a couple. I find it odd that the damn animated

series is on DVD but the game show isn't. I'm

sure it comes down to licensing. This is actually

the 20th anniversary of when it started. Awesome.

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