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Top 10 War and Western Films of the Decade

About this Episode
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to episode 191 of the cinema geeks I am one of
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Dan hello He has a gun not too shabby and Joining
us as he has for most of these countdowns for
our decade Look is none other than DJ Valentine
from simplistic reviews. Hello DJ a lot of people
are gonna die on this list So high body count
this is this list might have the highest body
count of any movie list we've done ever And now
I feel like I'm not prepared because I don't
have the kill counts for each movie. Oh, one
of me. So people are going to be let down for
here for you guys. Information for today, we
are actually going to interesting list today
because we've done single lists up to this point.
We've done like the top 10 action films of the
last decade, top 10 comedies, you know, sci fi,
comic book, et cetera, et cetera. We're doing
a kind of a combination of two different genres
in one today. So we're going to give you our
top 10 both war. Western films of the last decade.
So one thing that'll be interesting to see is
if there are more war films listed or more Western
films listed I thought you know when we were
tossing this around in I thought that makes sense
You know because it seems like you might get
one or two more films a year at the most You
know, we're lucky if we get like one Decent Western
a year. It seems like I'm like, oh that makes
sense to try to like combine these and then I
went Through the practice of trying to make my
list and I easily had Enough for probably a top
ten of each one on its own It just wouldn't have
been quite as good. But man, it was it was tough
coming up with this stuff for me It was tougher
to come up with the Westerns that were gonna
make my list the war ones were a little bit more
defined But Dan, how was your process of coming
up with this kind of combined list? Yeah, it's
interesting. So I think I'm the opposite I think
I oh Don't know in the sense of in the sense
of I think I have more rest westerns on my list
like I knew those right away and I think also
what's kind of hard to with war films. It's like
there are movies that take place during a war,
you know, or that is that technically a war movie,
right? So there's ones that I originally had
on that I took off. So I really just ones that
are focusing on like military combat in a way,
so I also didn't include documentaries. I feel
like that's something separately because there's
been a lot of great Documentaries that centered
on war or the fallout of war or things like that.
So I didn't include any of those but yeah, I
was actually surprised how many again, it wasn't
you know, not as many comedies or as many comic
book films, but Like movie for movie movie I'm
pretty impressed by this list overall in the
sense of the quality like I really love pretty
much every movie on this list and I you know,
it's Think I'm not saying we're seeing a resurgence
of Western films, but it does seem like we're
seeing a lot of different takes on them And yeah
for more updated versions of them to you know,
you're seeing a lot of we'll probably talk about
a number of like high -profile Directors that
are putting their stamp on it, but I was actually
surprised I kind of went into thinking I'd have
more military movies or that'd be easier but
that one I Didn't have as much or struggled with
a little bit more I guess what I meant when I
said like it was harder for me with the Western
films was because like My Western like if I was
picking like movies that I'm real confident in
and and like feel really good about listing today
I had ten Westerns I could have listed that I
would have felt real good about and for war I
had like maybe five That i would have felt real
good about listings so that was harder for me
because i wanted to include more westerns and
i could. The war films it was a little bit easier
for me to pick and choose i actually didn't realize
i did this but. I have all of the ones that i
was considering was to have a sandwich like i
always do and. I wrote down like what ranking
they had for each year they came out when i did
my year and less and as it turns out i didn't
do this intentionally but the the time that made
my list today we're all in. a top 10 the year
that came out for me overall. The ones that didn't
make my top 10 on those years ended up not making
this list either. So I guess I somewhat stayed
true to my rankings a little bit without even
knowing it. So DJ, how is it for you to come
up with this list? I know you're you are like
the most efficient and like you like definitive
person to come up with a list like you. It's
incredible. You know you know me when you ask
me a list it takes me maybe five minutes Maybe
I'm like you did you want to do this nice? He's
like he's like I'm done I'm like I think about
it because I mean you you asked me luckily and
I'm grateful to be on a lot of shows where it's
stuff that I'm super interested in that I've
already probably walked around or drove around
thinking you know what this is my number one
and this might so when you asked me like yeah
I've already done this like I've been on this
show in my head already this is but no this was
the first time where I had to go back and make
a cut Because I had one I had two that were vying
to be in the spots. I was like, let me watch
these again Right, right. I wasn't sure I was
like, let me watch this again cuz I Don't know
who wins here and then I watch them again. I'm
like, yeah this one wins, but everything else
like my top Out of the ten like none of them
I knew already. It was just essentially Moving
them in the spots that I wanted them to be in
What is not telling you guys is not only did
I like ask him to do the list and then like five
minutes later he said he had finished but then
like he just said he rewatched two movies I'm
pretty sure he rewatch those movies like within
like four hours of when I asked him to do that.
Uh, yeah, so we're just gonna be going around
the table We'll be talking about uh, you know
our 10s and then nines etc as we make our way
towards the the ones Um, if we have some crossover
we'll we might bounce a little bit out of order
But that's kind of how we'll do this and then
towards the end we'll talk about any movies that
just didn't quite Make the cut dj. You are the
guest of honor. So we're going to let you go
first So what is your number 10 war or western
film of the last decade? Uh, i'm this is one
of two, uh I don't want to say they're cheats.
They're not cheats. They're modern day Western.
So my number 10 is Wind River. It's a movie and
Taylor Sheridan does this a lot that reminds
you that even though it is modern day, the West
is still out there. The mindset, the danger,
the ambiguous justice still there. And before
Wanda, Elizabeth plays Elizabeth Olsen. This
is before she... now is one of the biggest stars
in Hollywood at this point. Plays like a young
FBI agent from, ironically, Fort Lauderdale,
which is like five feet from where I live, trying
to discover the killer of a young girl on an
Indian reservation with the help of a hunter
played by Jeremy Renner. There is another actor
in the film who might show back up on my list
named Gil Eringham. Love him. He's in damn near
every Taylor Sheridan project. He's on Yellowstone.
When I was rewatching this film, maybe last week,
it wasn't the same day I was doing my cuts, but
I rewatched it a couple of times. But I was rewatching
it, and prepare, but there's a scene between
him and Renner that is so good. Uh, one father,
uh, uh, this is not really a spoiler. It's in
the trailer. One father who lost a child in the
past, trying to explain to a father who just
lost a child that day, how life is going to be
like for him from now on. And damn, it might
be worth watching the entire movie for that one
scene. It's so good. And this is, uh, people
are here nor there on Jeremy Renner, but I think.
He needs to do more of this stuff because he's
so fricking good in this movie. Everybody's really
good in this movie. But Gilbert Birmingham is
great. The the the the people who show up in
the movie, John Bernthal's in here for maybe
15 minutes. He's John Bernthal. I got like a
man crush on him. He's great in every fricking
thing he does. But yeah, everything about it,
it feels like a Western, though it's got, you
know. Modern it's set in modern day, but just
everything in it is really really good the justice
the stuff I was talking about It's a wind ripper
is my number 10 and I really want to put it higher
But I think I think I found five more westerns
or four more westerns that are better, right?
It's interesting too because this one's According
to Wikipedia. It's listed as a neo -western murder
mystery Which is a weird like thing to But like
yeah, it's like a modern western but it's like
to me. It's like half western half like true
crime type deal i don't know it's like it was.
It's weird to say this about this movie because
this movie is kind of a tough watch in some ways
but it was like for me a breath of fresh air
almost when it came to just something that like.
I haven't seen before like it didn't quite fit
like i don't know what the closest movie is that
i would compare this to but it was it was riveting
for me like i remember really enjoying this film
overall it was my number two film the year came
out which was two thousand seventeen that's how
much i enjoyed it like it all made it all the
way up there for my year and less so i have a
complete agreement. I don't know. Like I don't
know if I classify it as a Western first, but
like it fits in this list So I would rank it
as well. So I think it has the elements. It has
the showdowns. It has the the long Anticipation.
Yeah, and in Jeremy Rizzo in a cowboy hat. So
yeah, there you go and gills in it So he's in
Gilbert that I count as Western. So I love this
pick. So I will go with my number 10 next which
is interesting because I as I do with most of
these lists just for kind of fun and and trivia
bits or whatever I try to like gather top ten
lists from around the the internets and See how
they have people ranked and whatnot and according
to screen rank screen rant This was in war film
of the last decade According to Cinemaholic.
It was number one according to cinema spotlight.
It was number one so I guess I'm off by having
to hear at my number 10 film in this cross -genre
work, but I just had a couple other films that
I feel like were better than it in the war category,
but I think it's still worthy of a mention. So
I might have it too low compared, you know, according
to a lot of people, but this is where I'm slotting
in Dunkirk at my number 10. The reason I think
Dunkirk works so well for me specifically is
it's almost like we have all of these other films
that we've been seeing over the year that, you
know, over that decade that Might be considered
war films but. There are a lot of different types
of war films we got a lot of modern style war
films i feel like it's almost hard to even call
them work is like when we think of war at least
i feel like when our generation thinks about
war films. We think of like big time combat films
and. Obviously modern warfare is a lot different
so you'll hear with a lot of my honorable mentions
more stuff that's you know happened in the last
x number of years and i feel like this was a
return to like that saving private ryan type
type deal that we had gone seems like a while
without seeing i know there's a lot of anticipation
with me in a christopher nolan film as well i
just think it was done done rather well it was.
I have a lot of the elements that were kind of
traditional. war film elements that worked for
me. I don't really have anything negative to
say about it. I guess the only reason it doesn't
quite get as high as the other war films that
I'll be listing today is from an emotional standpoint,
it just didn't. Quite move me as much as some
of the other ones. I'm not saying it's not an
emotional film But it didn't quite tug at my
heartstrings as much as the other films I'll
still mention, but I'm not trying to take away
from it. It was a Just according to kind of looking
at what we just did Wind River was my number
two of 2017 Dunkirk was in was number 33 of 2017
so It wasn't quite as high as the rest of them,
but I still think it's worthy of a mention Dan
any thoughts on Wind River Dunkirk or your number
ten? Actually forgot all about one river so I
was doing my lesson I treated through letterbox
and for some reason they don't qualify that as
a as a Western but I if they did I probably fully
I don't know if I would make it but I do really
love that movie that I all you can think about
is that like Shoot out near the end and just
the brutality of it. It's it's it's intense and
I didn't like what's much like Jeremy what render
that might be outside of maybe the town one of
his better performances and I'll save my thoughts
for Dunkirk for later. For now. But my number
10 again is maybe another one which might be
higher on some other people's list. Again, like
I said, this is just a really strong list overall.
But it's The Revenant from 2015 by Iritu. And
to be honest, Iritu's films are ones that often
don't work for me a great deal. Like I dislike
Babel. Birdman didn't really click for me. 21
Grams. Did not enjoy I find them often to be
a chore to get through but I felt the revenant
It was a chore but put in a good way and I mean
Obviously watching it you can see the leader
Nara DiCaprio just trying everything possible
to get his Oscar like And I know it was notoriously
like the horrible thing to shoot and like how
often awful it was for all the crew But I think
as a movie it is quite Quite good. And it is
like we reach you at his best Like there are
so many phenomena within this and again great
performances of it, of course, if it is bear
attack I guess you can maybe not qualify it as
a western per se because it it doesn't necessarily
have a lot of the the tropes not necessarily
taking place, you know in a western like atmosphere,
but I do think like The idea the frontier is
certainly there, which was a big part of the
west as well So yeah, that's why it's really
my number 10 is just impressive performances
a brutal film like to make and to watch and Probably
the again something I was surprised I enjoyed
as much as I did based upon my experience with
the director Yeah, it's I mean, I feel like it's
a hundred percent western in my book like just
from setting and things of that nature, but I
agree with you it's For me, it's the best entry
to film I've ever seen. I haven't been a big
fan of most of his other stuff, obviously. If
we were doing a top 10 Western film list, strictly
Westerns, then this would have made my list.
But including some of the war films, it just
got bumped out a little bit, but it was definitely
in contention because I think it's it's worthy
of being in the discussion. I guess one thing
that I have that went against it a little bit
is I haven't rewatched it since 2015. Um, so
I was trying to go back on memory. I knew I enjoyed
it more than I thought I was going to, but then,
you know, it wasn't super high ranked for me
that year. So without having to give it a fair
rewatch, I couldn't, I couldn't quite get it
onto this list. Uh, DJ, any thoughts on Revenant?
Uh, for some reason, I just, I mean, I think
that's the movie Tom Hardy should have won an
Oscar for. Um, I mean, other than The movies
that I don't think he was nominated for bronzing
because he's amazing in that. Revenants, one
of those movies where I watch and I was like,
OK, this is good. The bear scene is amazing,
but I never want to watch this movie again. Not
because I don't like it. It's just it's one of
those movies. Yeah, it's just like, OK, I got
it. It's so visceral that I don't think I need
to see it again because it's going to be in that
noggin of mine forever, especially the bear attack.
And I've seen. a lot of messed up movies in my
lifetime, where the horror of it and the, you
know, stuff like that, that kind of leaned more
toward where I was going, not the war element
of it. So I never, that's the only reason they
didn't really make my list. Not because it's
not good, because the direction's amazing. And
Naruto is one of the greatest directors, living
directors we got right now. The performances
are great. I just, I, and I love a revenge film.
But to me, it's almost a Western more than it's
a war film. So yeah, it was hard for me not to
put it on my list, but I understand it being
on anybody else's. All right, and what was your
number nine, DJ? My number nine is Overlord.
This is one that I had to rewatch with another
film that might be on somebody else's list to
see if it made the cut. And it won. I like it
because of the Wolfenstein crazy nature of it.
It kind of reminds me of this video game called
Wolfenstein. I think even with that stuff aside,
it's a solid war film. The airdrop scene in the
beginning is one of the just alone. It's a fantastic
sequence. and it's about these soldiers that
their job is to knock out a satellite array so
the operation on D -Day could happen and It's
the first time I ever seen Kurt Russell's son
a Wyatt Russell who's playing us agent in the
Falcon and Winter Soldier TV show But it's the
first time I ever seen him in anything and he
has his father like you there's scenes in there
I'm like, hey, that's uh Mick what's his name
from the thing? That's a Kurt Russell character.
He's very good and he plays this kind of ambiguous
ambiguous leader of this little platoon trying
to survive to get the mission completed. It's
a really good movie and it's fun. And I'm glad
they were potentially gonna make it a Cloverfield
attachment and they decided not to, thank God.
Because when it's set by itself in a bubble,
it's a really good movie. And the lead of the
movie, I think that's the guy, the kid from Snowfall,
I think that's him. I'm not 100 % sure, I gotta
look it up. But the other lead, if that's the
kid, I think his last name is Idris, I believe
that's him. I could be wrong. But he's very good.
He's very good. And you get a lot of good performances.
The guy from Game of Thrones is in there, the
pirate guy that everybody hated at the end of
the movie. But yeah, it's really fun war film
where you enjoy it and it has a little horror
elements to it. So it's kind of a genre -bending
type of movie. Saw this come up on a couple of
lists that I was looking at a screen right and
had this at like their number Seven war film
of the last decade next best picture had it at
number ten overall. It's a blind spot for me,
though I have not seen this you would like I
think you dig it I think because it's it's got
these horror elements But it's not like is a
scary way. It's in a gruesome way My wife will
be more prone to watch it then so that's good
Yeah, there's gonna be a couple that I know there's
a couple blind spots I have on the Western list
for sure that I saw come up on a lot of lists
So I'll have a little homework after this is
done Dan have you seen Overlord? I have it's
been forever there. Like I do remember actually
remember getting that from the library Okay,
and it like DJ mentioned is it's it is weird.
It's weird and fun which is a weird thing to
say about a were film The special effects are
really impressive like you don't necessarily
think of like cgi that much when you think of
a war movie, but I know there's like the one
word I think about when I think about that movie
is intense And I think it's pretty much intense
from beginning. The the title is very ultimately
Gotcha and I forgot to mention you had mentioned
the Revenant out of the seven lists that I looked
on online the five of them had Revenant in the
top ten So a lot of agreement there with that
one being in the conversation for my number nine
I'm going to go to the world of the Westerns
for the first time here this one was actually
left off of Most of the list I looked at, although
I did land number one for a site called Cultured
Vultures. And for my number nine, I'm going to
go with the Michael Fassbender film Slow West.
Slow West was a slow build for me because I wasn't
huge on it at first. When i first watched it
but then the more the time passed in the more
i thought about it and kinda rewatched a little
bit of definitely built up for me this is a two
thousand fifteen listed as a british new zealand
action western. It's weird that this was listed
i wouldn't think action with this one because
it does fit its title it's a it's just. slow
build the whole time, but watching Michael Fassbender
and Cody Smith McPhee was very entertaining.
And then the kind of the interactions with with
each other. It was it's rare for me to kind of
like the the film that kind of backs away a little
bit from both a pacing standpoint and a storytelling
standpoint and kind of has a little bit more
of the slow, you know, quiet moments and things
like that. I'm not against it, but a lot of times
I feel like. Directors just do it to do it to
for style points and there's not as much substance
there whereas I feel like it's done for a purpose
in this one and I just think this one's The more
you think about it the more you discuss it with
somebody else the more you let it kind of More
dissecting that you do of it. It's just got a
lot of cool elements to it that you can kind
of find so I watch anything with Michael Fassbender.
So, you know that works. It's got Ben Mendelsohn
in here as well and I just feel like they're
made for this type of film and this is genre
I'd like to see fastbender and more westerns
actually. that that that I got me 300. No, that's
all right Here's a hint. It's not a good movie.
Oh, I was like, which movie are we gonna know?
We're gonna call a Western one. I don't believe
it was one of the remakes the match Magnificent
Magnificent seven. No, it's a comic book movie
actually called Jonah Yeah, there we go Then
you said you had this on your list as well hold
on I forgot Jonah hex came out Let me rework
my top 10 real quick Oh my god, put that on there
slide that in there get that Megan Fox action
in there. Come on That's awesome So regarding
so us it's actually my number three. So I guess
I'll just I'll talk about it now I think a reason
maybe why a lot of people don't regard it as
well because I before we're doing this list I'm
like let me go back and check out the trailer
the trailer make it makes it out to be a Completely
different movie makes it seem like it's as fast
paced right action -packed From start to be start
to end and it's like the exact opposite of that.
I wouldn't say it's like ultra slow Like it's
not, you know, once upon a time in the west or
something like that where you have that opening
of like 15 minutes or so where it's just people
just hanging out Ultimately, but it is also in
a beautifully shot movie The action that does
come at the end like that shootout with the tall
grass. It's fantastic. There's also a really
good sense of humor In it as well. So it's great
and it's just like great actors like you mentioned
Fassbender by Mendelsohn who I think is like,
I don't know one of One of the best actors of
last decade like anything and he was and he was
just amazing and and it was it was the case here
so it the thing I think about the most is just
how beautiful it looked and considering it it
did seem like it like a movie that was obviously
in a Smaller budget compared to something like
The Revenant, but it it was able to To me have
a much bigger emotional impact and i was just
more visually uh impressed by what they were
able to do you know they weren't necessarily
doing these long takes or anything like that
but just the design the cinematography what they
got out of that to me was why i loved it so much
i haven't rewatched it in a while i do want to
go back and see it again but it was like you
with some of your top tens it was like number
two or number three the year it came out in 2015
and it's only like grown stronger in my head
since then. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think it's
one that's worth a revisit for a lot of people
because I feel like, you know, people talked
about it the year it came out and then it's kind
of like faded away and I feel like it's worth
staying in the discussion. DJ, what's your number
eight? My number eight is another genre of bending.
Western, this time sort of a genre bending war
film, starring a Russell that's not Wyatt. I'm
going with Kurt Russell's film Bone Tomahawk.
Craig Zayler makes a Western I hadn't ever, and
I'm a big Western guy. I had never seen a Western
like this, because of not just the brutal, violent
nature of it, like, because I've seen, you know,
Wild Bunch and stuff, but the horror elements
of it, I just caught me off guard. And on top
of that, there's this dread of the people that
they're trying to get to that are in the way
that he just handles the violence. That scared
me, but I was like, oh, it makes you feel uneasy
the whole time. And on top of that, you have
really good performing. Kurt Russell can play
this character in his sleep, but I didn't think
Matthew Fox could be good at anything. And he's
really good in this. And Richard Jenkins is all
the prospector character. I thought should have
got nominated because he is almost unrecognizable
as his role. But yeah, again, it is not for the
faint of heart. It is very violent, very, very
violent. But in terms of a West, if you watch
a bunch of Westerns, you want to see one that
you just it's literally one of those things that.
You just gotta see this because you you're not
gonna see something like it before I'm gonna
put bone Tomahawk right there Yeah, when you
were talking about the the other film I believe
is overlord when you made the comment that you
said it's uh Or maybe you had made a comment
about one of them that it was not a film that
you're gonna necessarily want to watch again
I don't know that wasn't over the other one,
but like the same with bone Tomahawk Like it's
something that you watch. I don't know how many
times you rewatch it It just really sticks with
you though, right? And this would have been my
number seven Western of the last decade. It doesn't
make my combine list, but it would have been
number seven for Western. And DJ, a lot of people
are agreeing with you on all the lists I've looked
at. It was on every one of them, but one screen
ran ahead as the number two Western of the last
decade. Taste of Cinema had it as the number
one. So obviously some agreement out there that
Bone Tomahawk. And it came out of nowhere, too.
I like my new box just because I used to be a
big Party of Five fan and I like Loft. So I was
surprised it was like the first time I've seen
him in like a bonafide like movie role and and
that didn't wasn't just cheesy or something like
that. So yeah, I think this one definitely made
an imprint on a lot of people and a lot of people
were talking about it back in 2015. That's for
sure. Dan thoughts on Bontama Hawk or otherwise
I will move on to my number eight. Yeah, it's
not my top ten, but again, it's it is certainly
deserving. It's what movie you're never going
to forget It's you know one you experience more
than and watch for sure and I think that's something
that we're seeing is a kind of the the common
with as Craig's I was always it just brutality
is something he is a very keen on and I don't
know if it all started bone Tomahawk bone Tomahawk
even with some of the other films Nothing is
is near the top. It makes you realize how bad
the West was. It's like this was not a nice place
No, no, not at all at all It's not like the Wild
West from back to the future But for my number
eight this is interesting because I was going
through all these lists and stuff like that because
You know as we do with all the genres It's like
what what movies fit in that genre what movies
are don't fit in that genre, you know What genre
do you think of when you when you hear a movie's
title? You know Do you think of it as this and
I wouldn't necessarily have thought about a couple
movies that would fit into this group because
I just feel like The genre is the director. Um,
and I never think of any of his films as being
in any specific genre because they're just Tarantino
films. Um, so The more I looked at all these
lists though Like they all are listing a couple
of different Tarantino films and I was like,
I guess That's true they would qualify for this
genre and because of that i can't ignore them
so it's number eight and it's eight for late
i didn't do that on purpose it was my number
six film of two thousand fifteen. And i know
a lot of people have been a little bit more down
on like his last few films but i'm not in that
group i think every tarantino film is basically
been wonderful and i just i mean this. You just
talked about Kurt Russell. So, you know, put
Kurt Russell, Samuel L. Jackson, Jennifer Jason
Lee, Walter Goggins, you know, Tim Roth, Michael
Madsen, Bruce Dern. I mean, Channing Tatum finds
a way in there, I guess. But it's such a ridiculously
talented cast. And even for the carriage ride
and everything else like that, like the whole
movie is worth it just for that sequence. And
I don't know, there's just a lot of. Things to
appreciate and enjoy that are very Tarantino
ish in this film You know, i'm not going to put
it at the top of his filmography But I think
if we're looking at westerns and war films that
came out, you know over the last decade I would
put this one in with the westerns. It would probably
be you know my number Probably around five best
western of the last decade if we're qualifying
it as a western So i'm going to give Tarantino
some love here and put hateful eight at eight
damn I do like he fully it wasn't strong enough
to make my number my top ten but i'm gonna go
back to so i pretty much just had One western
and i'm gonna continue that with my next film
with from a number nine With another western
that's very different than that of a revenue,
which is very brutal in your face It's like it
doesn't it doesn't stop to we talked about slow
west earlier, which is my number three I guess
slow westerns or something maybe that just strike
my fancy and that's with my number nine is meeks
cut off by kelly white record which is a movie
that i think is probably not for a lot of people
because it is very. You were revenue is brutal
and in your face meeks cut off is realistic in
a very different sense and how just mundane it
maintains it because it's one of these people
traveling or if you're a big fan of the work
on trail game back in my day. In the nineties,
this is basically Oregon Trail, the movie, but
they just couldn't get the rights. Maybe I'm
not sure, but it's just the group of settlers
going through that journey. And it seems like
it does do its best to stay very true to life.
But similar with Slow West, it is a gorgeous
looking movie. And one of the scenes I think
about the most is just where you see these people
traversing the land, traveling, and it just.
The weight transitions within the landscape and
like it just like your it's like doing a trick
with your eyes how he won't go from one scene
to the next just all these little clever tracks
it does and pretty abruptly which i think could
strike some people and i like i said just the
general pacing may not be for everyone but i
just felt the it felt like you were there i felt
more like a documentary that was able to exist
in nineteen eighteen forty five so that's why
it was my number nine. Excellent. Um, that was
when I mentioned when DJ was talking about Overlord
that I knew I had a couple blind spots This was
the other one that was Big time on my mind because
I saw it on so many different lists and I haven't
seen it yet Screen Rant did two lists of the
top Westerns of last decade and Meeks Cutoff
was number five on one of them and number one
on the other one So made a lot of appearances
and I knew I had a blind spot Just didn't have
a chance to rectify that before we got to our
list DJ any thoughts on Meeks Cutoff? I this
is my blunts, but I have not seen this movie
and I'm angry because I got to look it up now
I've not seen it, but you just told you so all
you have to do is have Dan in the room and say
look Oregon Trail the movie and I'm in you just
got my money So I played Oregon Trail like a
fiend as a kid So I want to see Oregon Trail
the movie. That's all the composers right Oregon
Trail the movie. It's not Oregon Trail But trust
me it's Oregon Trail the movie Alright DJ, what
is your number seven then? My number seven has
been mentioned already, but I'll just say it's
Dunkirk The only thing I really say about it
no one does One thing he does well on every one
of his movies love him or hate him is scale His
you know manipulation of time and all those films
I can take or leave but the way he makes Everything
feel so big just works for a war film especially
a war film like Dunkirk that the real story in
how it happened is almost as good as the circumstances
itself. And I know Dan, so he didn't want to
put documentaries on there. We're not going to
put them on the list, but do yourself a favor
if you really want to see what led to Dunkirk.
It's it's a movie itself. That's how Germany
broke the lines and got the bridge in that situation.
It's amazing. And my only it's been a constantly
year long gripe anytime somebody brings a Dunkirk
to me is the last shot of the movie was almost
perfect. And then they cut away from it because
Dunkirk on its on its thematically, it is a nitpick.
But for me, it's it's a victory through a retreat.
It's a win through a loss. So when you see the
shot of Tom Hardy, maybe I'm biased because I
love Tom Hardy, of looking at a burning plane
that on the surface is like, oh, he lost. No,
that burning plane saved so many people and he
gets captured. That's a win and a loss. But they
cut away to some kid. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
no, no. Go back to the shot of Tom Hardy with
the burning plane. That is the perfect end shot
of that movie. And every time I watch that movie,
I'm like, don't cut to the kid. I just want not
to cut to the kid. It's such a perfect shot.
It's one of the most beautiful shots Christopher
Nolan ever has ever done for me anyway, personally.
I love that shot. And it always soils the movie
that they cut away to the stupid kid that I don't
even know his freaking name. I don't care. Yeah,
I love it. Alright, obviously I'm in agreement
since I had that at my number 10 for my number
7 I'm gonna go to the third straight a Western
film that I've had on my list Might have been
higher if I would have rewatched it again, but
I haven't seen it in a long long long time This
was my number 10 best film of 2010. So I have
not seen it since 2010 but man you put let's
Let's have Roger Deakins be the cinematographer
Let's have Carter Burwell be the music guy the
right But man, I mean it's got a 96 on rotten
tomatoes It was I said meek's cutoff was number
one on one of the screen rant list true crit
was number one on the other one um, I just need
to rewatch it because we're in the year 2021
this came out in 2010 it's been 11 years since
i've seen it so um, I just on memories basis
couldn't rank it higher than I did but I knew
it deserved it because if we're talking westerns
What is more of a true western? Then true grit.
It's pretty much got every Western elements involved.
There's no question whether that fits in this
genre. So I have to put it on my list. I have
a few Westerns higher than it. Maybe a little
recency bias from a one or two of them, but I
think trigger it. Absolutely 100 % deserves to
be discussed during this conversation. So true
grit is my number seven damn. It's also my number
seven, so there you go. Look at that, look at
that, look at that. Like it That's not a Western
that movie This is what actually wanted so one
of the one of the few films that I One of the
few films I saw multiple times with within the
theater because it was one of them would see
now so the time when I went to see all best pictures
back when theaters are open and this was my first
experience with Hailey Steinfeld and Right when
she burst on the scene i'm like okay she has
a career ahead of her because she had a bad presence
to her the way she's like you know going to toe
to toe with with chep bridges and josh broly
she's just you know holding going going full
board and she can hit that colin brother's dialogue
um it was smart it was funny it pretty much had
everything you ultimately would want and i it
I think this is an example of when the remake
is far superior to the actual the original film
and I think You know be sacrilegious. I know
this was the movie that John Wayne won his Oscar
for but I think Jeff Bridges performance is better
I find his his role in this so much stronger,
although on the downside I felt like he ended
up playing this character a lot again like in
that off Yeah, like in that awful or a PD movie
like it's just like all seem like I like that
character Remember that movie. Why do you remember
that movie? I don't know I don't know scrub that
from our memories and we knew we might men in
black that movie out of existence We should we
should but yeah, but it's I do love so much about
this And it I've never I believe it's based on
book. I've never read the book but like I said,
I do think it is far superior to the original
and an example of like Showing why just because
something is remake doesn't necessarily make
me never get absolutely All right, DJ What do
you have at your number six? This is ironic or
coincidental. I'm not sure what irony is my number
six is Another of them and trust me. It's my
last one my last modern -day Western and This
is also probably my last Taylor Sheridan film.
I'm speaking of a hell or high water Taylor Sheridan
I know people who hate him. I don't know why
he speaks to my Western sensibilities for some
reason he knows He knows the beats that to hit
that transcend this film from just a simple heist
flick to an almost once upon a time in the West
desk like people fighting back against the dying
of the West film. I mean, Chris Pine, Jeff Bridges,
and we're just speaking of, and again, Gil Birmingham,
again, are all fantastic. But the person that's
this, I don't know how this person didn't win
for Ben Foster is so freaking good in this movie,
other than stealing every scene he's in with
fun and badass stuff. He has moments of subtlety
that are just equally great, like There's a scene
in maybe people who've seen this movie forget
there's a scene in is right before the climax
of the movie where he's sleeping on a couch and
uh Chris pine goes to wake him up and he like
leaps at Chris pine and like goes to like kill
him and he freezes It just tells you because
Ben Foster's a character that spent time in jail.
They don't mention it They don't talk it is cut
away from it and that just one scene You're like,
you know exactly what his experience in prison
was like it's such a such good acting by that
guy. I mean, Ben Foster's pretty much good in
everything, but this is the performance. You
want to see how good Ben Foster is. I'm gonna
make you watch Hell or High Water. It's so good.
And then the scene at the end, I think makes
it a true Western because of the showdown. And
I debate this with my friends all the time when
we talk about this movie, because we ask, Was
kind of a spoiler. Is Chris Pine going to pull
on Jeff Bridges? Jeff Bridges is going to pull
what's going to happen. What would have happened
if Chris Pine's family never showed up? What
would have happened there? And we debated all
the time that the movie is so good in that in
those little moments, a little character moments.
And that's kind of what Western's I mean, in
a theoretical sense are these showed that these
little showdowns, these little confrontations.
And that one at the very end of the movie is
so good. The movie itself ends in a way where
you can make another movie off the last scene
alone. It's so it's so good. So hell or high
water. That's my number six. I like it so much
that I'm not going to comment for my number six.
Man. I didn't expect to see this on many lists
because I just feel like it didn't quite get
the praise that a lot of other eligible films
that we could discuss today would have but I
was actually pleasantly surprised it was Cinema
Spotlight headed around like the seven mark X
-Files picture headed as number five Cinemaholic
had it at number four as far as war films go
for the last decade the reason this one's gonna
rank higher for me than Dunkirk is because for
me it had That emotional pull that I was talking
about when I talked about I didn't didn't quite
connect as much with Dunkirk I didn't quite get
in the feels like I did with this film and I'm
talking about 2014 film starring Brad Pitt and
that would be fury Oh, number five as well. So
it was my number five film overall of 2014. It
comes in, you know, for number six for me right
here, just because like I said, there was something
about it. I don't know if it was the way that
they were able to get into. the character development
of each person if it was the way that they kind
of played with like The quiet and then the the
sound and different things like that I don't
know what it was about how this movie was made
But it just had more of an emotional impact with
me then then Dunkirk did they're both great movies.
They're both very well done I'm not trying to
take away anything from either film, but just
me on a personal level I just had that slight
bit more connection and the feels I guess for
fury Just really enjoyed this. I thought I wasn't
anticipating. I'm a Brad Pitt fan. I'm not trying
to shy away from that I've like so much of his
work Regardless of what other people may or may
not say about him as far as you know the star
a lot of people don't Give him as much of an
acting credit and just think he's a pretty face
But I think he's a brilliant actor as well But
I wasn't expecting as much from some of the supporting
cast and I thought there were some great performances
You know Logan Lerman Michael Pena John Barenthal
Scott Eastwood Shia LaBeouf um and i'm not saying
i wasn't that some of those people are great
actors so i mean i was anticipating some good
performances i just didn't know how that group
as a as a group as a cast together was gonna
gel and i thought it worked very well i thought
there was i mean i still remember the scenes
where you know they're going into these um How
houses slash whatever you wanna call them you
know almost like an apartment more times but
you know with the people that lived in the areas
that they were at just very like. I don't know
very real something very real and gritty about
it so fury really worked for me and i have it
here at my number six film overall it's a. Uh,
no spoiler alert, I guess, but it was my number
three war film, um, of the last decade. So a
lot of love for fury. DJ, you said you have this
coming up next at your number five. Yeah, this
is, uh, easily, easily in love with him. This
is David Ayers masterpiece. So all of these directors,
you know, every director has a film where this,
you can just watch and go, this is the best thing
this guy's done. And I don't, and I hope he does
something better, but it's. When you watch this
movie and you watch the rest of David Ayer's
movies, you're like, what happened? This is so
good. It shows the good and bad about the camaraderie
soldiers having war. This film showed me that
Shia LaBeouf was really talented, because he's
coming off of Transformers, I think, at the time,
though recent personal events have truly let
me down with him. But he is fantastic in this
film. And I already talked about how I Baranthal
can be in every movie and I will be happy. It
was primarily why I had faith in Suicide Squad,
God help me, but this is his good Suicide Squad
movie. This is literally what, when I watched
this movie and I heard he's doing Suicide Squad,
I was over the moon because I was like, if you
just do that with the Suicide Squad, we have
a good movie. But he didn't, he didn't do that.
I don't know why. I'm gonna give you the stage
for a little while here because I think at some
point along the line that you were bouncing off
of one of our other picks and I treated it like
it was one of your picks So anything that you've
missed so far that you didn't get to talk about
in your ten through six And then you can piggyback
off that, you know with anything left on this
half of the countdown Yeah, the one I skipped
over and I it's actually my number eight, but
the things kind of got messed up So I had Reverend
at 10 mix cutoff at nine true grade at seven,
but at eight I have I mentioned with war movies
i was picking. Things that are focusing more
on the military and that also included children
military with jojo rabbit was eight and to me
i knew this movie was working for me be when
like a pair of shoes had it like a map. So emotional
reaction to me and i feel like a lot of times
when people dismiss humor as in it like. That's
a way of not taking things seriously or no removing
stakes in a situation which i don't necessarily
think that's the case i think the way. What is
the approach this movie was something to be admired
it was funny hilarious at times but also. Deeply
disturbing and i thought that the humor was clearly
there to the kind of heighten what was going
on and i think i was trying to make. make light
or make fun or downplay obviously it was you
know, just a different tactic especially because
you're seeing things through, you know a child's
perspective and Once you see that veneer kind
of removed it, you know, it becomes something
completely different and then the ending of this
I think is again something really phenomenal
I don't want to don't want to waste it, but it
ruin it for people who haven't seen it But surprisingly
a movie about Nazis can kind of have a feel -good
moment here and there as well so that's why it's
So high for me. I guess it's not technically
a military film, but definitely, you know dealing
with Nazis and dealing with like the hitler youth
That's why I included it And war is the whole
setting basically for all intents and purposes
I barely cut it off my list because of the ambiguity
of it because if it was on my list It would be
my number one because I can count on one hand
the movie I rarely I watch a lot of movies. I
usually internalize the feelings i'm having and
I can count on one hand on the movies that making
me openly cry in Jojo Rabbit. I one scene one
little thing, but I'm not going to spoil it,
but there is a look Sam Rockwell gives near the
end of the movie to Jojo. It gets me every fricking
time. I don't know what because practice Sam
Rockwell's a badass and he's awesome, but just
this look he gives him a Jojo doesn't even see.
It's so good. It's other than if the movie is
hilarious. and it's risky, and it's dangerous,
and the message is amazing. It will tug at your
heartstrings in a way where it catches you off
guard. Like, what, wait, wait, am I openly weeping
in front of people? What's going on here? Oh
yeah, Jojo Rao was amazing. I wasn't sure what
to, I've loved all of Tycho ATD's stuff. whether
you know almost his entire career so far and
this was the one that was I was like I don't
know what this is about to be like when we were
talking about like most anticipated films probably
that year or when I was just you know going through
what was coming out that year and I was like
okay this title is films Jojo Rabbit and then
I'm reading the description and I'm like what
where is he going with this like what how is
what I don't know and I was so pleasantly surprised
I mean it was thoroughly entertaining I don't
understand the critique or the criticism, I guess,
that people have. There's no rule that like,
if you're making a movie about World War II or
some other historical event that you can't insert
humor or insert some of the stuff that YTD is
known for and not still make it a serious Movie
that deals with serious events like I just don't
get why some people think those things can't
mix I've heard that argument with a couple different
movies that have come out over the years that
are like oh this is about the Holocaust or this
is about this and You know that they have a joke
in there how dare them like I just I just don't
get that and I think why TD It's like a master
craft here of how he like blends the different
things and like has you in stitches laughing
one minute and then tear tearing up in the next
minute and you know after all is said and done
you're just thinking back to what how impactful
the film was a watch that's called jojo rapid.
It's like he took me for a ride and I don't know
what the ride was, but I enjoyed it type thing.
So if you approach it smart, like like I grew
up on Monty Python. If you use your brains and
you approach difficult subject matter, like the
Spanish Inquisition or Jesus or the Holy Grail
or the Crusades, you do it with brains like Taika
with TD has done in literally every movie. If
it's crass, like, you know. fart jokes on that
I understand that but he's not coming at it at
a place of you know that he's he's actually if
you watch that movie you come out going oh I
see the message here you can't give the the the
the point of this message without pointing at
the absurdity of World War two in Hitler Youth
and all that stuff Right. I got for the same
type of arguments, even though it's not anywhere
near the same type of movie, but like a life
is beautiful. I've heard people like right trash
on that because it has moments that aren't necessarily
what they expect from people that are in a concentration
camp or something like that. It's just like I
look at it in the wider lens. Right. Yeah. Jojo
Revo was real close to making my list. I just
wasn't sure how we were. And then so you should
have one left then at number six, Dan. Yeah,
so my number six is right one. That's unquestionably
a war movie. It's One really giant battle and
it's the last movie I saw in theaters before
everything went crazy And it's 1917 and I know
that like talking about criticism this people
kind of the obvious comparison It's saying it's
it's like a video game and certainly I see that
because it does feel like one Huge cutscene where
you're just going from moment to moment following
this character but Seeing this in the theater
like I I dialed right in and it technically I
think it is like one of the best achievements
of the last decade where it was able to do And
I know it was offered best special effects and
people like what special effects were there then
you go and see like what they were like a lot
of the CGI and things that are used in ways that
you wouldn't even imagine And it's it's also
one where the making of it is almost as interesting
as the movie itself so I just I get that narratively,
there's maybe not much here. It's literally just
one mission, one man going through to stop something.
But I felt I was invested from beginning. Seeing
the difficulty, like the challenges that were
there and just the intensity of it, I dialed
right into it. So that's why it was my number
six. Alright, I'm gonna save my thoughts on that
one for a minute, but those two those are our
ten through six picks of both Western and war
films We're gonna take a quick break Let you
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for the best war and western films of the last
decade. DJ you already gave away your number
five for this part here with Joining me with
our fury discussion right before the break So
I will pick up here with a just a real quick
mention of my number five because it has also
been discussed already And that was I believe
your number 10 DJ. I'm going with wind river
as my number five It was actually my number two
film of the 2017 when it came out. I liked it
that much I just thought Performance wise it
was great from a visual standpoint. It was intriguing
and I'm I like the kind of crime mystery elements
of it kind of mixed in with that western ish
Feel so DJ already said much better than I can
say why it deserves to be discussed on this list
So I will just say that it is my number five
and let Dan take over with his number five My
number five has also been talked about before
so I won't go in great detail again by David
Mckenzie with Hell her high water. I was I was
really looking forward to this movie because
I was a huge fan of start it up that was my Favorite
film of the year it came out and if you enjoyed
you get I would highly my advice checking that
out It's nothing like hell high water taking
place in a jail, but it's fantastic again. It
has it's much more Kind of a bare -bones film
but very intense how high water just I was amazed
by how much he upped his game in one movie like
direction and it's like where startup felt I
want a little bit rough around the edges like
hell hot high water felt like maybe that was
like, you know a Hollywood movie through and
through and I can't dated Western taking the
tropes of you know robbing banks and putting
it in a new New setting especially one that was
very apparently against The banks maybe the social
commentary. It was a bit on the nose, but it
was a bit warranted as well and ultimately was
A smart movie that was fun and sometimes like
smart movies can be boring, but they don't have
to be which I thought was a good way approaching
this it's a lot more intelligent and Then you
may seem because you're just focusing on all
the all the antics But I did love Jeff Bridges,
especially his back -and -forth with his with
his partner there they were good comic relief,
but then When things got serious and then I in
ultimately like like TJ mentioned with that show
down at the end A lot was left unsaid, but in
a smart way, so. Yeah, I'll go ahead and. Jump
in here as well. It's my number three overall.
So not too far away from where we're at right
now I just remembered seeing this when it was
coming out again when we look at our like most
anticipated and stuff like that You know the
combination of David Mackenzie and Taylor shared
and had me Very intrigued about this and this
is one of my most anticipated films that year
and it definitely lived up to the hype it ended
up being my number eight film of 2016 but here
it ends up being my top Western of the last decade
is how I have it so I just I think it's great.
I think the performance is like you guys said
with Jeff Bridges You know Chris Pine Ben Foster
we get guild Birmingham in there again it's it's
just a very very entertaining film and it's very
sophisticated way of putting it all together
directing it and you know the whole kit and caboodles
so I think it's a total total package film and
I know it you know it might not have some of
the Western Aspects like you would see with like
a true grid or a You know even slow -west or
bone tomahawk or some of those types of films
But for me, it's the top of the genre for last
year and just shows all the different Styles
or types of Westerns we got over the last decade.
So definitely in agreement with you guys So let's
swing it back to DJ for your number four my number
four has been talked about it already as which
is true grit and You you guys know I I I suckle
at the teeth. I bow to the altar that whatever
disgusting metaphorical statement you can. For
Roger Deakins, I do it. And this movie is like
Roger Deakins. I don't even want to say phoning
it in. He's so good. His phonings are works of
art. It's so good. Because I think the best thing
he's ever done, he got the Oscar for which is
Blade Runner 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. The Blade
Runner movie. one of those futuristic Blade Runner
singles. But no, this hits, it's such a beautiful
feel. Every frame is a screensaver. And on top
of that, the Coens, I think they've been making
a wake in Westerns their whole life. You can
put raising Arizona up there, certainly no country.
So True Grids kind of like, yeah. This is what
I'm going. We're going to make a whistle. And
I was joking earlier when I say who's Hailey
Steinfeld? I'm a huge Hailey Steinfeld fan from
this movie on. She is the living embodiment of
Kate Bishop. I cannot wait for Hawkeye speaking
to Jeremy Renner earlier, but she's fantastic
in this movie. You got you got Thanos, Obadiah
staying in Kate Bishop in the same movie. But
no, no, it's the true grit is one of those. We're
talking about Dan was talking about taking a
sequel or remake that. Super seeds the original
the code to colonize anything is like a great
I like to see the coins colonize a lot of stuff
and I remember watching true grit when I was
a little kid and I was like And then I watch
it here and like it had the coins this add things
that the original didn't have menace Fear, you
know the danger The original one this felt like
a great, you know action romp with John Wayne
in this one. I'm like, oh shit I don't know if
he's going to make it out of this situation.
So yes, True Grit is a great film. That's why
it's my number four. All right. Obviously we
are both in agreement. So for my number four,
I guess I'm just going to let this flag fly proudly
because I've already mentioned this director
once today. I almost feel cheap like putting
him in here twice on this Western and war film
because I feel like there could be other spots
that I could have talked about. But luckily you
guys have brought most of those films out, but
the Internet's in agreement I mean Cinemaholic
has this as their number three Western of the
last decade charge has it as their number three
Stacker has it as their number like seven cultured
vultures has it as their number four taste of
cinema has it as their number four Screen Rant
didn't Yep, Screen Rant also has it as his number
four. So I guess everybody agrees with me So
I'll put it at my number four too. That's Django
Unchained I mean What else does need to be said
about Tarantino films at this point? I mean you
got Jamie Foxx, you got Christoph Waltz, Leonardo
DiCaprio, Samuel L. Jackson, Walter Goggins,
Kerry Washington, et cetera, et cetera. You got
Tarantino directing. It is 100 % set in a Western
setting, et cetera. Like all Tarantino movies,
it just has those moments. It has those iconic
lines of dialogue or sequences and I just think
of the The violence and the just letting out
of rage at different points that we see in this
and it's just classic Tarantino You know, I've
listed the hateful eight and Django and chained
on here third not necessarily the best two Tarantino
films out there, but if we're talking about films
that would be considered westerns in the last
decade, I think you have to talk about both of
them at least somewhere in the discussion. So
it was my number four film of 2012, and it's
my number four war slash western film of the
last decade. So I'm not ashamed. Django Unchained.
Well, I'll join you because mine is also my number
four. So there you go. Everybody has it at number
four. I like that. Yeah, I had no idea. But I
do really love this movie. It is a whole lot
of fun. I know it does get crazy near the end
and it's also been I feel like one of those films
that is just mean. Did that now because obviously,
you know, some of the lines that have been utilized
on the Internet. But one of the things I love
most about this is this is a soundtrack like
the. Especially when you have like a Jenga going
on as the final ride for revenge, right? I guess
technically you could say this is southern, but
I don't know. I just like the juxtaposition of
taking us and working against the tropes of that
time. And there aren't like moments of brutality.
like that it doesn't hide that you know how horrible
it was for for slaves and things like that like
the sequences of them them like walking when
you have that overhead shot and they're like
in chains just it brings a reality to it even
though it thinks it kind of intense and crazy
near the end it clearly it's saying something
with its violence i don't think it's just being
violent for violence sake and performances you
know are fantastic I love crystal falls in this
from the moment he shows up on screen to like
just the sequences in the town Yes, like he makes
things far more elaborate than they need to be
like that's his go -to like it for everything
really like even his plan to you know for candy
is much more elaborate than maybe it needs but
it's just I've this is moving I've seen plenty
times like I saw it again, I saw this a couple
times in theaters and since then and I don't
know where would rank in my in my Tarentino List
right now, but it's near near near the top for
me I just find it very watchable and just a lot
of fun But also like I said clearly saying something
even if it's not, you know, the most nuanced
movie in the world right DJ your thoughts on
Django or your number three pick I'm gonna save
my thoughts for Django till later. Uh my number
three pick is You guys know me better than most
that Mad Max free road is my favorite film of
2015. I've mentioned it a couple times. I've
been on the show maybe once or twice. But I think
what gets lost is my second favorite film of
that year was Beasts of No Nation, which is now
number three. And I talked about earlier movies
that make I rarely cry in a movie. And this was
a weird movie that was that's on that list because
it wasn't like a cry because I was sad. There's
a scene in this movie and this is a movie about
a children from a fictional African nation that
are indoctrinated into this army by Idris Ilba.
And there's a scene where he is amping up the
children to get ready to murder or go to war.
And it's so intense. I just got emotional. The
way the music swells, and this is directed by
Kerry Fukunaga, who's directing the new James
Bond movie. He did Maniac on Netflix, which,
I mean, he is also a brilliant filmmaker in terms
of visuals. But the acting in this movie, in
the little boy who I think is in Spider -Man
Homecoming for like five minutes, is so amazing
where you see him in the beginning as this young,
innocent boy, and at the end of the movie, spoiler,
kind of, he is a completely different person
through the experiences he has. And Idris Ilba's
character, you kind of see... as a viewer, you
kind of get indoctrinated where you're like,
yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. It's so I don't want
to. Good is not the word. It's it is an experience.
That movie. And it came out of nowhere. I just
watch it because I can't whatever I watch this
piece of no name. And at the end of it, I was
changed. It's one of the one of maybe the greatest
war films I think I've ever seen. One of the
best films I would probably put in my top 20
films, because it takes a lot for me to have
a visceral response in that way to a movie and
It might be blind spots for people it is not
for the faint of heart in terms of cinematography
and directing I mean Carrie Fukunaga it does
long takes and Beautiful visuals and stuff like
that, but in the terms of a movie I think it's
a movie that I think everybody should at least
see once So yeah, Beasts of Norwich is my number
three All right, Dan your thoughts on that one
or your number three? Yeah, it was really hard
leaving off piece of donations because it like
DJ mentioned it is a powerful force and again
that movie is Directed like nothing else I think
it was one of the two the one of the big first
movies and I think it was before it was nearly
as accepted as it is now and I think there is
a lot of negative like reaction to this idea
that Netflix doing a movie like this but and
I think that's why it maybe didn't get like The
award recognition it should have because I do
think that like that was deserving of so many
like higher awards and never received much of
anything. Unfortunately, especially Idris Alba,
who, you know, I think arguably his best performing.
There's a lot of good performances, but it's
certainly up there. His most twisted performance
for sure. Yeah. And my number three has already
talked about a slowest, so we can move on to
the next on the list. All right, we're going
on my number three was heller high water. We
already talked about that. So DJ We're right
back at you. You were number two back My number
two was just talked about a couple of spots ago,
which was Django and chained Now we've been kicking
around what Westerns are and I I see Westerns
that are that essentially are and at their core
tension through confrontation the anticipation
of violence that builds up like a hot that's
boiling over on the stove. And it can be argued
that Tarantino is one of the best filmmakers
when it comes through tension, through confrontation.
Just watch any movie he's ever done ever. So
this first real foray into a Western really won
me over. Like you guys were saying, they call
it a Southern, but it has every element of a
Western. Wrong man seeks justice and tries to
save the woman he loves. That's a Western to
its core. with amazing performances by, like
you guys said, damn near every cast member in
this one. Jonah Hill's amazing in this movie.
Don Johnson's amazing in this movie. Bruce Dern's
amazing in this movie. The original Django Unchained,
Django, the original Django, who was in this
movie for five minutes. He's amazing in this
movie. And it makes me laugh because this was
supposed to be a Will Smith vehicle. And Will
Smith got angry because, or he didn't want to
get angry. He wanted to kill the villain. And
I think he missed the point. because the real
villain is not Calvin Candie, it's Stephen. That
is the villain of the movie. And if he wouldn't
realize that, spoiler alert, he would get to
kill the villain of the movie. So yes, I mean,
every, Chris off Waltz, who I had seen in some
stuff, this is where I was like, this guy's amazing.
This guy's amazing. And I mean, my screen saver
on the stream, I do miss cast entertainment sometimes.
is laughing Leo from Calvin Candie. So I love
this movie so much. The scene itself with him
ripping up in his hand and continuing the scene
should have got Leo. I mean, the scene where
he busts his hand open, he's bleeding all over
Kerry Washington. That's not special effects.
That really happened. And he finished the scene
and they shot it. It's such a I mean, the stories
that go with this movie. are great. And I think
it's just I mean, it's the Western. I remember
watching Django, the original Django when I was
very, very young. And when I realized, oh, he's
he's he's he's race banding in a little bit.
Let me see what he does with it. It blew me away.
And it's probably of all the movies on this list
that I watch probably more often than any other.
So, yeah, Django and Jane, my number two. Obviously,
we agree with you for my number two. It's been
spoken of already once. um, I believe just once
and uh This was my number six film of 2019 um
could be higher if I kind of regoed through that
list I think but um Dana you talked about it
and i'm going with 1917. Um, man this I don't
care if it's a gimmick if it's not a gimmick.
I don't care anything about any of those types
of critiques I care about what I felt and what
I experienced while I watched the film and that
was The whole film could have been a one take
for me because i didn't take my eyes off of the
screen so you know there was no takes for me
it was just a wonderful experience to watch and
like i said i'm not taking anything away from
dunkirk i think it's a great film and it's probably
on a lot of people's you know top list and what
not it's just fury in nineteen seventeen for
me just. we're more emotional experiences on
a personal level so that's just on me it's not
anything to do with the movie necessarily but
i think it is crafted very well i'm a huge sam
mendes fan and i think he was phenomenal you
know i didn't know anything about some of the
cast here i mean obviously i know you know benedict
cummerbatch colin firth and you know uh you know
mark strong and some of those guys but i don't
know much about the rest of the cast and i just
think they were mesmerizing with their performances
I think too it's similar to what I felt with
fury I thought on a sound level just the way
that this film is done and edited and things
like that like The quiet moments are just that
much more quiet and the loud moments are just
that much more jarring Like I think these fury
1917 do a really interesting job of playing with
those sound dynamics and really Making it feel
like you're immersed into that world And it's
another interesting thing to do because you know
you take war films and they all have to pick
like what aspect of the war they're going to
talk about or what events on the war they're
going to talk about and I you know a lot of times
it's hard because you're doing a war film and
we all know the outcome you know we we know the
outcome of the war or we know the outcome of
the battle that's being depicted or things of
that nature and. I didn't know a lot about what
was actually being depicted in this one so it
wasn't like you know nothing was spoiled for
me i mean i know you know major beats to this
war and stuff like that but i didn't necessarily
know exactly how this was going to take place
when you kind of narrow it down into the actual
story they're telling and honestly. It's a hard
war to depict i believe in my opinion like. You
know when you think about the best war films
throughout time you know or things of that nature
seems like. You get a lot of world war two films
you know i mean you get a lot of civil war films
you know things like that one is a tough one
and i think it's never. Possibly been done better
i have to go through and see all the different
world war one films i guess that have ever existed
didn't have that prepared but it's gotta be up
there like one of the best depictions or movies
that take place in world war one for me so i
can't. Give this film enough praise. Um, i've
only seen it once so I mean I know it just came
out a little while back, you know years wise
But it could be even higher. But for me, this
is easily one of the best war films of the last
decade So 1917 is my number two dan. What is
yours? Uh for my number two i'm going to go back
to the genre of westerns and again another More
modern take on westerns, but a very slower More
methodical not necessarily meek's cutoff. But
again more of maybe this is just saying something
Being about me very this also feels very much
like a documentary from 20 From 2017 and it's
the writer directed by Chloe's Zao when put pronouncing
that incorrectly, but who will be soon to Directing.
Well, she is directing I guess currently eternals.
So going from the the rider, which is this very
extremely low budget movie about people who are
on the rodeo circuit and It's just so compelling
in And it's methodical and it's pacing. What
strikes me, too, is just there's a lot of use
of non -actors in this. In one sequence, in particular,
where there's an individual who had a past accident
being on a horse. And you see. See like the actor
kind of just interacting with him and you see
just the facade of all that kind of just fall
fall down He's kind of pretending being on a
horse again. It's just just a moving moment of
just humanity in a way and I think that's what
what this gets out just the relationship between
this individual who is you know clearly Lost
within life in a way, you know, like he's not
having a lot of options and trying to just find
his way and The rodeo is kind of one of those
elements and I think it's so much like where
the West has gone in a lot of ways where You
know the West is not what it once was and it
seems and that a drift because it's not that
no wild wild land anymore and it has to be Tamed,
but it's necessarily maybe doesn't want to be
I think that's kind of where this conflict comes
from and I think that's a big reason it appealed
to me just because of this Realism to it and
seeing kind of a life The ability to see perspective
that i've never really experienced and just thought
what chloe director did was. Got in there and
kind of remove the camera you just feeling like
you're watching a general life. Right on the
screen and like i said even utilizing real real
actors. Any case one of my favorite documentaries
from last decade was buck which is. Falls is
a very similar story It's the movie that the
main character of that through the person that
that documentary focuses on is the guy that was
Based the horse whisper on and it's similar to
you. Just see this relationship with horses I've
never I've rode a horse like a couple times in
my life I'm not like someone who would have any
desire to go to a rodeo but that didn't necessarily
matter because just the movie was was that good
and some movie that just I've enjoyed more and
more more I think about it was like number two
the year it came out and I think more as I kind
of we evaluate and seen it again. It might be
my favorite film from that year I know I know
in the back me up. I know Barack Obama also really
loved it, too It was in his you know movies to
watch the year it came out. So some pretty high
praise from you know, a very powerful person
so but it's a very small film and like I am curious
to see how the director goes from this to like
the turtles because I could have I mean I talked
about like how with mckenzie went from uh start
up to hell of a hawaii water i think that's even
a bigger jump but maybe she can do it i think
she she's really good at least capturing people
and you know so i don't know i don't know why
they why they picked her but she certainly has
some perspective that they thought you know clearly
saw something in the rider like i did and that's
why it's my number two Yes, Cinemaholics had
this on their list and actually Stacker had this
as their number one Western of last decade as
well. A lot of the other ones headed off maybe
didn't live left out off their list maybe because
it was a little bit of a smaller film that people
hadn't seen as much. I haven't seen it either.
So it is another blind spot for me. So I'll add
Meeks cutoff in the writer to my list of to do
list as far as film watching goes. DJ, have you
seen the writer? I have not, but I know Dan is
correct. In about a year's time, everybody's
going to know who Chloe is, because I think she's
going to probably win the Oscar or probably win
multiple Oscars this year for Nomadland with
Francis McDormand, a Coen brother wife. But yeah,
I want to see. Yeah. So yeah, she she's going
to be a household name, I think, in about a year's
time. So her her filmography, it's like you're
saying, she's good with people. So I want to
check this out because I kind of want to get
a taste of what I. could be in store for that
movie, Eternals, because I have no idea what
the heck it's gonna be about. All right, so it
is time for the reveal of our number of films.
I'm guessing they're all stuff that has already
been talked about, but we will see. DJ, what
is your number one war or western film of the
last decade? If you have been paying attention
to my weird machinations on my list, you've been
noticing that I go... Western war Western war
all the way up my last movie was Django and chain
if you know what's going on here I have mentioned
one war movie, but it has been mentioned before
it is 1917 it is a Master class of filmmaking
not since saving power Ryan. Have I seen a war
movie that literally had me this? Breathing heavy
like oh my oh my god, and yes I've said multiple
times it's not a movie it's a magic trick this
movie it's it's it's like they're doing something
but the purpose of it is to make you feel what
they are feeling in the movie and the the the
trench runs the explosions i hear people like
demean oh it's a video game it's like man this
actually happened this is this i mean i know
people think call of duty is the center of universe
but guys this is real this actually happened
And the way Sam Mendes brings it to life is amazing.
And I just, I don't know how he did it. I mean,
I've seen the behind the scenes movies, but there
had to be a meeting before they started doing
the movie. Like, okay, look, I want to make it
look like all one shot. And then somebody looked
at him. It's like, it's a war movie, bro. You
can't, what are you talking about? He goes, no,
I'm Sam Mendes. I'm going to do it. And they
did it. I remember, I mean, I work at a theater
and it's one of the few movies that when people
are coming out, they're asking me, hey, how did
they do that? And I had to literally explain,
yeah, yeah, it's all one shot. They hide some
of the cut, like different people, different
walks of life, walking out of that movie, asking
me questions about how that movie's made. That
rarely happens other than a comic book movie,
because I don't know who the hell the characters
are. But for a war movie, they're walking up
to me saying, I just realized 40 minutes in that
they haven't cut the camera like yeah, yeah,
they're doing a whole bunch of crazy secret so
I would say watch 1917 because it is a marvel
in filmmaking and that's all these movies are
marvels and filmmaking but that to me I The the
scale not the scale but just the Herculean effort
It must have took to bring this movie to the
screen which you're supposed to watch it in I
can only I cannot fathom it. It's amazing to
me. So yeah, 1917. Yeah, obviously I'm in agreement
since it was my number two. My list was interesting
because I had more westerns than six westerns
and only four war films, but war films made up
my top two. So I might have more westerns, but
I have two war films sitting at the top of my
list. My number one is also the only film that
was also number one the year it came out. So
if there's any loyal listeners out there, you
might be able to predict this one, but DJ talked
very eloquently about Beasts of No Nation and
that is my number one film of 2015 and my number
one film of this list. This is number one on
this list for the same reason Schindler's List
makes a lot of number ones, you know, other types
of movie lists I make. It's like do a lot of
people want to watch it? Maybe not. Do a lot
of people want to watch it a second time or a
third time? Probably not. But I agree with what
DJ said. I feel like it's something that should
be watched once at least. And that doesn't take
away, you know, just because it might not have
that rewatchability or might not be the most
feel good movie for me. Almost gives it more
credit credit because it's like something that
can be that powerful, that can be that disturbing,
that can be that impactful. And. you know, maybe
hard to watch, but just that worth of a watch.
Like it's so important of a movie for me, for
people to see. It blew me away that year. Hands
down, like it was easily my number one film of
that year without question. A huge Idris Elba
fan. I think he's amazing, even though I don't
necessarily want to see him play a character
like this, but it was just powerful. It's like
regardless of the fiction, nonfiction of it or
whatever, like this typist. Nonsense happens
like all the time this happens way more and i
feel like it's such a american thing to turn
a blind eye to it it's such a. First world problems
to to act like this doesn't happen or to be like
oh this is too disturbing for me to acknowledge
or digest it's like we know we need to acknowledge
and i just more of the horrors that go on around
the world and tackle them and. strict nonsense
to it. But I just I feel like if this would have
came out on the big screen and got like the normal
cycle of how movies are treated, like it would
have gotten more attention and more people would
have watched it. But Like I will never shy away
from saying that Schindler's List is one of the
best movies or the most important movies that's
ever been made and I feel like this is in that
same class. It's just like it's something that
deserves to be watched, deserves to be talked
about, deserves to be, you know, known and it's
easily my number one film on this genre list
as well. Dan, what's your number one? My number
one is another movie that's been talked about
a great deal. I believe it was your number 10,
Kevin. It was on your list DJ someplace it might
be obvious, but I know it's very close putting
the writer number one but ultimately when I thought
the film that I was in a blown away by the right
terminology but I just engrossed with from beginning
and Excuse me. It was it was Dunkirk and you
know, the first time I watched it was as Christopher
Nolan intended on my phone He just spit on the
ground when you said but I was able to see it
in theaters actually after that and sparsely
both both experiences were enjoyable, but I Know
like the use of time can get somewhat kind of
I don't call it a gimmick but it just sees something
that he fixates on a lot and I get that and I
understand like the where the Criticism of it's
maybe not the most warming film emotionally,
you know if I compare this something like Band
of brothers right where like it really the emotions
are from beginning to end you get to know who
these individuals are you see them as people
where this was more the movie about the effort
movie about the the mission that they're going
on and although maybe i didn't have enough i
was it in gross emotionally i was in gross in
the sense of just seeing something play out in
such a remarkable scale and important scale with
this. Ever present taking time bomb occurring
where just this cavalcade of bad things happening
from time and time again and one of the most
important. Achievements really in the war and
i think dj made a. Great point regarding how
this was a victory and defeat and being able
to retreat in order to you know fight another
day And just just seeing what what it would encountered
and how you know it it took an entire army and
it took an entire people to get this done and
it surprised it took this long to get a movie
like this because Honestly, I know what I've
read a lot and watched a lot about World War
two dunkirk at least on the American side We
don't talk about it nearly as much as we do D
-day and other other Pieces of world war two
history, but you realize like this was just as
important. Uh, maybe It is technically a retreat
that we don't focus on on it as much and americans
weren't involved But I I just thought just the
in from the fantastic battles in the air Just
how it would move from moment to moment. I I
thought it was just a craftsmanship with a capital
c so again, it's probably a bit obvious and But
I would be lying if I didn't put it my number
one. So that's why I put it my number one Absolutely
screen rant cinema spotlight and cinemaholics.
I'll have this also as their number one film
from the last decade So a lot of agreement there
real quick guys I'm gonna have you guys go through
your ten through one just because I know there's
a lot of jumping around So we'll get the whole
list in one chunk from each of us And then we'll
talk a little bit more about some honorable mentions
and things like that. So DJ What were your ten
through one? My number ten was Wind River. My
number nine was Overlord. My number eight, Bone
Tomahawk. My number seven was Dunkirk. My number
six was Hell or High Water. My number five was
Fury. My number four was True Grit. My number
three was Beast of No Nation. Two Django, one
1917. All right, for me it was number ten, Dunkirk,
followed by Slow West, then Hateful Eight, True
Grit. Six was Fury, Wind River. Number four was
Django Unchained, three was Heller High Water,
two was 1917, and my number one was Beast of
No Nation. Dan? Number ten was The Revenant,
number nine Meeks Cutoff, number eight Jojo Rabbit,
True Grit, 1917, number five was Heller Hot Water,
then Django Unchained, Southwest, number three,
number two The Rider, and number one Dunkirk.
Interesting too, when you look at some of the
years and stuff like that, it seems like 2050
has crossed the genre because we had Beasts of
No Nation, Hateful Eight, Bone Tomahawk, Slow
West, and Revenant all 2015. I think that was
the most - Good year. Good year for movies. At
least for this genre. I think like the middle
of the decade, we got a lot more of the war and
the Western films on either end. It seemed like
it kind of petered out at both times, but real
quick, we're going to go around and just give
any films that were close to making your list,
might have made your list if it was Strictly
War or Strictly Western, but didn't quite make
the combined list. DJ, anything you'd like to
mention? Dan brought up Jojo rabbit. We talked
on and off air about how if it was on this list
of you and I'm my number one, but I again I was
I was trying to stay as close to the I Guess
the the topics I could not saying it's not it's
just I I wanted to get as clear as I could and
those are I was amazing so Being on any list.
I'm happy. I really really wanted to put sicario
on here again It was kind of like the same thing
where it's like Maybe it's it feels like a Western,
but it's not really but I mean it's got Roger
Deakins And again, I told you I bow to the man
and I almost put also Logan on here as a Western
But again, it's all that listed by quite a few
sites, right? I again I I guess Logan's amazing
and it's it is a Western. I think it's more of
a Comic book movie than a Western to me. So I
again if it was on a list I don't mind it if
it is on if it isn't it's fine The Westerns that
I was considering some of them already got talked
bone Tomahawk would have been probably my next
one and that would have been my number 11 on
this list I like the remake of Magnificent Seven.
I know a lot of people don't, but I just think
it's a great cast and a great, just a fun romp.
If you're watching it with a group of friends,
you can have fun with it. I'm not saying you
have to take it serious. Hostels, I actually
enjoyed Hostels. The Kid with, what's his name?
Ethan Hawke? No, I have the right actor? Yeah,
yeah, that's Ethan Hawke, yeah. The Kid, I enjoyed
a lot. Just to the last year there two thousand
nineteen of the decade i thought that's a Vincent
D 'Onofrio. Film and i thought that was really
good i considered the revenue as well that got
mentioned for war films it was tricky for me
because i feel like you know nineteen seventeen
fury dunkirk. You know, obviously if I throw
Beasts of No Nation in there, even though it's
a little bit different because of the perspective
I think those are just like heads and tails above
everything or head and shoulders I guess that's
the analogy above everything heads and tails
But there was like a lot of modern war films
that I just didn't quite throw in there that
I know got a lot of buzz and a lot of talk That
came out in the last decade stuff like Zero Dark
Thirty American Sniper and Lone Survivor those
types of things. I just I just didn't quite know
where I landed on them I actually really enjoyed
Eye in the Sky from kind of a little bit of a
different perspective, maybe not as much as a
war as it is more into the intelligence sector
of how that plays into war. But I still think
you could make an argument for that. The one
I was probably considering most was Hacksaw Ridge.
It was real close to making it. It was that and
then Zero Dark Thirty that I had just on the
outside, outside looking in. The other Western
I forgot. Actually to author out there that didn't
quite make my final you know i will mention cut
but a woman walks ahead and ballad of buster
scruggs at least thought about so dan any other
things you want to mention. I actually completely
forgot about your doctor because i was looking
again use letterbox and for some reason they
don't count it as a war film so i'm not sure
but i'd love to read it and probably would have
been my top ten and so ultimately other films
i did think about i originally had in sun on
sunday's. In my top 10, but I took it off because
although like it takes place in the background
of a war Ultimately, the war element is not kind
of the major focus of the film. It's a one -identifiable
new way was say his name director of movies like
prisoners and Blade Runner I think it's some
I think his best movie might release my favorite
movie. He's done But like I said, it's it a lot
of it takes place within a war going on But the
war isn't necessarily the major focus Another
movie I thought about was first They killed my
father which was directed by Angelina Jolie,
which a movie I thought was so much better than
I ever anticipated it being that's dealing with
the war in Cambodia But it didn't quite make
it but that is I was actually impressed because
the other films that Angelina Jolie did I think
that she had unbroken which didn't quite work
out And that kind of got all the all the kind
of buzz going into it anticipation where? The
first thing to my father just kind of went under
the radar which was I thought a much much better
movie I thought about Rango the animated movie
a lot of people And I did also think about about
the bout of us for strokes I really do like that
although though there are a couple of sorts that
aren't as strong Which is why it completely make
my list But yeah so those are other ones i thought
about and i'm low survivor which is a movie like
i do like it and it's pretty like the the sequences
of them like falling down the hill is still something
that is it hurts to watch and there are a few
films i didn't see yet like son of sol which
i've heard really great things about. And you
mentioned fury and we haven't talked about it
but i feel like we should mention the american
sniper cuz i'm really made like a trillion dollars
i didn't. um, but it was certainly like I I think
it's certainly one of the more like the well
-known Owned films and then the last one I had
was um, the the one the one what rises but again
That was more like tangentially dealing with
war rather than actually focusing on itself.
So yeah, american sniper and lone survivor kind
of solidified that that early calendar release,
you know, like in the whatever it was like Right
at the end of the year, right at the beginning
of the year that just had a lot of like staying
power. They definitely made an impact. If I'm
looking around at all the lists that I looked
at, we've hit most of everybody's top five. As
far as war movies, I think the only one we didn't
mention that was in one of the top five was somebody
had War Horse at number five. that the What do
you think as far as each genre independently
you know the war genre the western genre as far
as the presence of the hat on the last decade
you know the. The direction that's gone as far
as how directors you know kind of tackle that
or you know what do you anticipate for this next
decade will westerns or war have a. You know
a decent impact in the decade over all of you
know we saw a lot more modern stuff too like
we said with the westerns you know stuff like
wind river heller high water um things of that
nature does it go more that route dj what do
you think you know looking back at the last decade
looking forward to the next decade how do you
think these genres fair i think i think westerns
in terms of the time frame are going to still
be few and far between i think the way to get
to the westerns now is to make them like a wind
river or a hell or high water, make a modern
day away the gun, a modern day Western, because
then you can say Hollywood doesn't like investing
in something that's not going to make a billion
dollars. If they do, they're going to give you
like nothing. So if you make it a modern day
Western, you can say the penny, but still hit
the feel of a Western because we talked about
these two hell or high water, one river. They
hit every Western trope for me. And I mean, I
grew up on Sergio Leone and, you know, Peckinpah
and all that stuff. So you can do it that way.
I don't I see war movies are gonna probably do
more than a Western because the sisters brothers,
which I saw in the theater by myself So it's
not it's that it's a genre that I think has been
replaced kind of by Superhero genre, you know,
we're back in the day Westerns were kind of like
the biggest thing ever Now you kind of have to
do you're gonna get the few and far between you're
gonna get the slowest You got that straight that
really good TV series godless on Netflix, which
is with Jack O 'Connor or whatever and Jeff Daniels
you're gonna get a lot of Fringy stuff, but the
be in the studio to invest. I think the only
way you're gonna do it is to modern -day Western
Yeah, I'd love Western. So I'd love to see more
but it feels like the other it's it's few and
far between that you get them a lot of them that
we get I like but then there's Diamond doesn't
as far as the ones that are just like These low
-budget trash westerns almost right that's come
out so often that you don't even want to think
about war it's interesting Dan like do you see
us getting more in the line of stuff like a you
know zero dark 30 American sniper lone survivor
more of these like modern takes or at least based
on modern events type thing because Obviously
when we're dealing with war It can get harder
To find new angles new ways to talk about wars
or battles or events that have already been,
you know Done a lot and a lot. I mean obviously
we saw 1917 prove that you know, there's there's
more stuff that's untapped out there But what
do you think the future is for war films and
westerns in general? I think there there will
always be there because I feel like there's always
something different to approach but I do it's
interesting when you think about like american
semper was one of the few War films centered
on like the war that's going on, you know, the
afghanistan iraq combat that was Both it was
generally critic. It wasn't like a critic loved
it, but it was pretty much praise, you know positively
Received and then it was hugely popular where
we haven't really seen that before like even
something like heart locker Which one best picture
like it made nothing at the box office And I
do wonder are we gonna start ever really seeing
like you go back when there's so many great Vietnam
movies or so many great words Two films, but
the number of films that kind of take place in
that way when the more modern setting are, you
know Probably, you know handful if that so maybe
I don't know what we'll get more in that that
we're you know further and further What about
from that and then what about films from sorry
to interject because you're talking about like
modern stuff I'll let you continue your thought
but what about war films based on more Non -american
war films or even films that predate America
like we think back to like stuff that came out
I'm not you know, not necessarily like like a
braveheart or a gladiator or things like that
But like wars of the past or just wars that are
from other parts of the globe Perhaps I wonder
if we're ever getting especially not a lot of
in not a long time like those movies that have
those massive kind of sets and those massive
Productions where we don't you know, everything
is See CGI now, so I I'm not sure I mean It's
possible, you know Game of Thrones and obviously
not real but it has a similar similar Approach
like with like old -time the middle -aged type
of war. I I don't like it It's interesting because
you you do wonder like how will co -ed effect
filmmakers moving forward where they approach
things differently, you know, well will we see
People are just like there's been so much existential
dread over the last 12 months or so Thinking
like no, I don't want to add to that. Let me
try to make films that are focused on something
else, right? Or will we get people trying to
do contagion again? I don't know It's hard just
it's hard to say like I think the mean the question
is like how much do we get focused on like the
right now and Thinking we're 20 years So since
September 11th that we're gonna get now, you
know think about where a lot of the great Vietnam
movies from Came out in the 80s or so. So is
that when we're gonna see a slew of them come
out now I That they're a little bit more separated
So people feel like they can say something differently
or if they have more perspective more greater
perspective We know more information or even
though we're kind of still in it. It's good question.
I don't know. Yeah it also seemed like we were
The war films of the last decade you know we
had the world war one so world war two is the
you know obviously be some donations tackling
a completely different fictional setting but
you know akin to what's happening in another
country. and we got some of the few of the more
modern ones with, you know, stuff Afghanistan
and in the Middle East and stuff like that. Not
only did we not get stuff that was, you know,
predating, you know, American times, but we also
didn't get much as far as like the strict American
wars, like, you know, like the American Revolution,
Civil War, things of that nature. It seemed like
that was kind of a forgotten aspect of, or, you
know, that nobody was really interested in doing
that. I mean, I guess we had like the Free State
of Jones, kind of, I guess, but like, it seemed
like there wasn't much attention to some of those
things that we've seen done a lot more. Like,
you know, in the eighties and nineties, we got
a lot of those, it seemed like. So I'd just be
interested to see what kind of topics they tackle.
But Daniel, you could be onto something where
we're going to get a little bit more of the feel
good or positive, or, you know, maybe people
are going to be a little bit scared to go to
the dread of some of these war films. But I still
think there's enough to to kind of find. I mean,
if we found more topics to cover in. both world
war one and world war two in this last decade
there's obviously more stuff on on some of these
other wars so dj why don't you go ahead and give
us uh final thoughts reactions anything you've
heard over the last few minutes or also give
us a chance here to uh pimp out how people can
listen to more of your stuff who pimp out uh
no i i'm a huge fan of westerns i i i have a
skeptical view on if hollywood's gonna invest
in them but i hope they do because they're fantastic
i mean I think I watch Unforgiven once a year.
I'm pretty sure that's on my list. Good, the
bad, the ugly is on constant rotation. I really
wish because they're so good. But I know it's
not a four quadrant type of genre, but I still
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Western genre or Give people not only how they
can stay in more touch with what you're doing
But they don't even they can not only just hear
you on our podcast, but now they can see you
as well So talk about that a little bit Yeah,
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something within the key cash radio network Just
because it can get lost with all the podcasts.
That's the comic con seers channel We're kind
of just focusing on comics and I've got a few
things planned But right now you'll see some
videos of reviews of books. I read I'm gonna
try to do all types of books not just like your
weekly releases But graphic novels and manga
and things like that and there are a lot of comic
book channels that focus on things like speculation
I don't care about speculation. I'm just more
I care more about the content and so I have that
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uh en masse later on so it's my all my dirty
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um you gotta do what you gotta do when you have
a baby So stay tuned for that and stay tuned
for more episodes of the cinema geeks We will
have a couple more episodes talking about the
last decade before we're finished with that completely
And then hey who knows maybe by that point will
have gone to a theater because it's been a long
time for me So definitely stay tuned for that
DJ. Thank you so much for joining us as always
we appreciate it So that is it for this episode
of Cinema Geeks. Stay tuned for another one coming
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