Planet of the Apes Retrospective – Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Hi, this is John Delancey, and you are listening

to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello, and welcome

to episode 262 of the Cinema Geeks. I am one

of your Cinema Geeks optimists, Solo, and joining

me, as he always seems to do, the Comic Cast

here. Dan, how are you doing? I'm doing good,

because otherwise I'd be talking to myself. Hey,

that works sometimes, too. Yeah, doing well.

We've done it. We've gotten through the bad movies,

or at least... some of the more challenging Planet

of the Apes films. And now we're back to the

ones that we know we've liked before. So that's

exciting. And now we get to watch them with a

little bit different perspective, I guess you

could say. I'm definitely intrigued to see what

we pick up on this time around and if we like

it even that much more, how that's all going

to go. So today we're talking about... rise of

the planet of the apes which comes before dawn

so just keep that straight we go rise then we

do dawn so i know some sometimes it doesn't feel

like that should be the way that things progress

but before we get into our thoughts on this uh

film from uh 2010 2011 when did this come out

2011 uh we're gonna let dan and because i don't

know the facts dan's gonna give us some facts

about Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and then

we'll come back and discuss. It is the rise before

the dawn, as this week we continue our Planet

of the Apes retrospective with a look at Rise

of the Planet of the Apes from 2011, directed

by Rupert Wyatt. The story follows Will Rodham,

a scientist working for a pharmaceutical company

who is developing a drug called ALZ -112 to treat

Alzheimer's disease. After testing the drug on

chimpanzees, Will discovers it dramatically increases

intelligence But an unexpected incident causes

the research to be shut down. Will secretly takes

home Caesar, the infant son of one of the task

chimps. Because Caesar inherited the effects

of the drug, he develops extraordinary intelligence

and gradually becomes capable of understanding

human language, solving complex problems, and

communicating in sophisticated ways. Will raises

him almost like a son. But as Caesar grows older,

his intelligence making him increasingly difficult

for him to live as an ordinary pet. After Caesar

is involved in an incident that results in him

being sent to an ape shelter, he experiences

the cruelty and neglect of humans firsthand.

There he meets other apes and realizes that they

have not been treated fairly and treated as prisoners

rather than living beings. Caesar eventually

uses his intelligence to organize the other apes

and plan their escape. the apes break out and

flee through san francisco eventually reaching

the marara woods area after a dramatic confrontation

on the golden gate bridge meanwhile will's research

has produced a second generation version of the

drug alz113 which is even more powerful but also

proves to be deadly to humans the film ends with

caesar choosing his fellow apes over returning

to will as he and the other intelligent apes

establish themselves in the forest The final

seal reveals the beginning of a larger Planet

of the Apes catastrophe. While apes are becoming

more intelligent, the virus associated with ALZ

-113 begins spreading among humans. What began

as an attempt of a cure of Alzheimer's is therefore

revealed to be the event that ultimately leads

to the collapse of the human civilization and

the rise of intelligent apes. One of the biggest

misconceptions about the making of the film,

and Caesar particularly, is that Andy Serkis

simply provided the voice and the facial expressions

while animators created the ape. In reality,

Serkis performed Caesar physically on set, wearing

a motion capture suit and facial markers. Weta

Digital then translated his performance into

the digital chimpanzee. Director Rupert Wyatt

said filmmaking was like making the film more

than once. First, they filmed Circus's performance

of Caesar, then Weta had to painstakingly reconstruct

that performance as a digital animal. The team

at Weta didn't simply make Caesar look like a

generic monkey moving around on screen. The effects

team studied real chimpanzees' anatomy and behavior,

including chimps at the Wellington Zoo. They

constructed Caesar with an underlining digital

skeleton, muscle, tissue, and skin. The animation,

therefore, wasn't just about making circus movements

look good. It had to make those movements look

believable for a chimpanzee's anatomy. Digital

ultimately created about 1 ,000 visual effects

shots for the movie, with the company handling

the ape effects as a unified team so they would

have consistency in the performances across the

board. Despite its groundbreaking approach, it

wasn't nominated for special effects at the Oscars.

Still, Rise of the Planet of the Apes was very

well received. It was something of a surprise

hit as well. It has an 82 % on Rotten Tomatoes

currently, and on a budget of only $93 million,

which is pretty incredible considering the amount

of special effects involved, it made around $481

million worldwide. They caught a great return

on their investment, and a big reason why we

got multiple sequels after this. But what do

Kevin and I think? Back to us to discuss. All

right. Thank you for that, Dan. As he said, we're

talking about 2011's Rise of the Planet of the

Apes, the film that continues reboots the franchises

here directed by Rupert Wyatt. And I am interested

to hear kind of as we go through this with the

other six films now in our in our rearview mirror,

kind of how this will translate and what we're

going to pick out and that we'd like or pick

out that we don't like or what it kind of. shines

a light on that we may not have thought about

it from that perspective before so dan i'm curious

on a couple things first off obviously what we

really liked about the main original the first

original film and then what we see in a couple

of the other ones that come out after it is when

we take this science fiction fantasy backdrop

and we use it to really talk and have discussions

and debates and things on Some interesting human

elements, some morality issues, some psychological

things, some social, some political, et cetera.

And we kind of combined all of that stuff together

to give us something that's not just fun to watch

or interesting to watch, but something that kind

of makes you think as well. And we saw that achieved

in a few films. We saw that maybe neglected in

a few of the other ones. And then obviously with

2001's Mark Wahlberg, I don't know why I always

refer to it the Marky Mark one instead of the

Tim Burton one, but. When we talk about that

one, obviously it really kind of abandons all

of the social political commentary for the most

part and just gives us straight spectacle. Here

we have a film that's coming out 10 years after

that. Our visual and technical abilities have

increased exponentially. not just from the 1960s

and 70s versions but even from the 2001 version

would have been very easy to get a lot of spectacle

here as well to just show off what we could do

with the camera the effects and all of the different

things and still abandon some of that social

political psychological you know conversations

and things of that nature so my first question

is like how well do you think this one balances

the spectacle and the human elements and some

of those conversations are both elements present

where do you think it excels at and and is there

anywhere where you feel like it could have done

more it's interesting because like if you look

at the social political elements of this i would

say it's probably one of the weaker elements

but it's not necessarily super noticeable per

se because in place of that it's more it's more

of the human story in a way it's much more like

it packs in a bit more emotion you know it having

you know the center of the story you know being

a scientist trying to find a cure to the disease

that his father other also suffers from and then

also just building the relationship between caesar

and and james franco's character uh and like

taking time so like that that means something

and allowing caesar to grow as a character this

is of all the ones we've done so far, I think

this has the most time dedicated to like building

these characters into something and giving them

wants, desires, needs, faults, you know, all

those things. So they all kind of feel like complete

people, not all the characters, but like, you

know, the main players per se. I, and I guess

you could argue like, you know, there's the social

political element of, you know, the business

of this company in its research and what it's

doing compared to like what it's. the the knee

like you know do you take these chances because

of what it can mean like those are there but

i think they're they're generally superficial

uh per se but also like with this it it doesn't

feel the need to like insert action like i think

which was made was successful for the very first

film like that movie doesn't have a lot of action

there's a couple chase sequences and things like

that but it's it's a lot of just general conversation

with this it's it has a conversation but like

i said it's more building that story it has a

very distinct kind of that three -act structure

in a lot of ways you know the first being the

james franco and his building up of of caesar

from from child to adult and then we get that

middle section within the where we see caesar

within the like the i don't know what we would

call it the the chimpanzees jail you know what

was that the Oz version of Planet of the Apes

and then the last being that like where it builds

up to that final massive action sequence where

everything is kind of been leading to and like

that last 30 minutes is pretty much just all

action but I think it earns it so I think having

that real like very distinct classic three -hour

structure waiting for The action for when it's

needed and you care about it makes it different

and makes it very effective. But like I said,

I think if you were going to argue one thing,

it doesn't necessarily bring that made the original

such a standout. I don't I don't see that like

the social commentary here is not the strength.

But I think that's also OK because I just want

a different direction with what they wanted to

focus on. Yeah, I had a lot of similar feelings.

I feel like it does, you know, lack in that one

area. But I don't think that's necessarily a

detriment to the film because I felt like they

were able to, instead of doing that, they didn't

just rely on the spectacle. They didn't just

rely on the visuals. They didn't just rely on

the action like we saw in some of the other ones

that failed. They kind of replaced some of the

social commentary with more of really building

a foundation, you know, really doing a lot of.

development of a few of our main characters especially

caesar and kind of really trying to say like

hey we got one movie to show you the progression

from where caesar begins in this film to where

he ends and and we're gonna just like give you

all of that and like really explore that and

i feel like that was a decent replacement for

what we got i also wonder in a way and i would

have to do a little bit more behind the scenes

digging because i don't remember offhand exactly

how much of this was dependent on if this film

did well or not. But I feel like you could almost

make the argument that the original Planet of

the Apes is not made with sequels in mind necessarily.

Like the sequels come as a byproduct of the first

one does good. We're going to keep doing it.

Oh, that one made more money. We got to keep

doing, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Whereas

this one feels more like the first of a series

in which we're really laying some groundwork.

We're really laying some foundation and we're

spending. a good amount of time to make sure

we do that thoughtfully versus haphazardly rushed

quick you know too quick and things of that nature

so I think there's a different goal I guess in

mind for each film as well so I think that kind

of plays a part what do you think definitely

and it's funny because like going back to this

you know I didn't remember watching it the first

time like feel like it was you know will building

building to a sequel or you know setting the

groundwork for what's to come but going now with

the hindsight of knowing what comes next it's

like oh actually yeah you see a lot of the thing

like koba for example which i know we'll talk

much more in the next film like we see his origin

here and uh there there are all these different

bits and pieces it can build upon i do wonder

if like perhaps there were other directions they

may have gone to that got changed or what have

you but i think it is able to tell a complete

story uh because if this was the only film i

think it would i think it would be fine like

you know obviously the ending is maybe leaves

a little bit more left to be desired it doesn't

have that definitive like shock ending which

is also i think to the movie's benefit too is

like it doesn't feel it although it does for

the outside of a few instances it doesn't seem

like it feels the need to just replicate what

happened before or, you know, like, okay, well,

the other one ended in this shock ending, so

we need to have a shock ending here. I think

choosing not to do that and then kind of focusing

on the better story per se, leaving it at a spot

that feels satisfying but allows you to go somewhere

with it next, I think was the right decision.

And I think, you know, in a way, and i let's

maybe get into my next question but they do give

us like that landmark you know what i mean that

we have in both the tim burton one and the original

one but to me it's like it's much even though

it's not subtle it is subtle like it's much more

just like i know the whole sequence takes place

on the bridge and we get the shots of the bridge

and things of that nature but it's not used as

like a shock factor like we get with like the

lincoln memorial or they're not blowing it up

or whatever Yeah, nothing like that. It does

kind of become a rope bridge, but it's not like

it. Yeah, 100%. I want to look at two different

things just because of the way we're doing this

retrospective. And I wanted to first spend just

a couple minutes talking about things that you

picked up this time around that maybe you hadn't

or hadn't to the same level the first time around

now that we've watched these other six films.

spending some minutes like with some of the connective

tissue between the originals and this one and

then I guess we can flip it a little bit and

talk after that about like the ways in which

it diverges from that and goes different directions

so was there anything that you picked up this

time around that like was like oh that's a nod

to this or oh I see the connective tissue between

that any of those types of things you picked

up you do see like within this like how like

the class structure within the apes is already

kind of there right where the chimpanzees have

have their role the gorillas do feel like the

the muscle like they're the ones that are kind

of like the the enforcers and then the orangutan

being the like more intellectual you do see that

reference to the original you do also have the

the scene where you see the like the news coverage

seeing that they're going to mars so like you

know making the reference there But there wasn't

as much like I don't like I know some of the

different characters names and I didn't know

if I couldn't remember if they referenced any

of the other any other of the apes from the past

movies. But was there anything else that you

noticed that like was a link or homage or trying

to reference the past movies at all? Yeah, I

mean, before there was things that I had already

noticed, like obviously the first time around

that I felt like, oh, this must be a nod or whatever.

That are the more obvious ones like. you know

obviously his name is caesar we get that um there's

the line there's a line about take your you know

paws off me dirty ape or whatever the the guy

in the the jail or the zoo or whatever we want

to call that um and then there's like the puzzle

like the the solving of the puzzles by the apes

that we get from conquest that's here the one

that i didn't pick up on until this time though

was the opening sequence where we have the apes

running through the the brush and the grass being

hunted down by the humans like i had not put

that connection together until watching these

kind of consecutively where it's like oh you

know we saw that in at least two different of

the original you know the original one and the

second one i think um and we do see it in in

the 2001 one as you know the tim burton film

as well and i just had never picked up that that

even existed in any of these films but you do

get that kind of the very first shot that we

see is his apes running through the grass so

i thought that was kind of an interesting one

that i'd missed yeah that's definitely a good

call out certainly because that is such a major

scene and then also that symbol that they make

i think also kind of looks similar to like some

of those like i don't know if they're not statues

or whatever you would want to call them that

like yes we see that like the first sign they

see of other civilizations scarecrows almost

yeah so I do think there was one ape that I believe

they called Cornelia or some version of Cornelius

too, but it was a female. So I guess that was

like a little quick throw in. I don't know if

it was necessary or not, but it didn't bother

me too much. Anything else before I talk about

a little bit about like what the verge is? No,

that's all I really noticed. Okay. So I was curious

then they definitely make some specific decisions

on different ways to frame things like. In the

original series, we have the whole situation

where a disease has taken out all the dogs and

cats or something, and we need new pets, and

we end up deciding that apes are good pets, and

then we enslave them. And this flips the script

in a way, and instead of a disease wiping out

the dogs and cats, we have a scientific element

here that is going to enhance the apes and wreak

havoc on the human population. although we don't

get a lot of that like really blatant in this

film you know the end credits do obviously show

that in a way and we'll have to wait till the

second film before that really materializes but

um we definitely have a different element that

is framing how we are going to go from a human

-led civilization to more of an ape -led civilization

we're avoiding the pet pandemic were avoiding

the nuclear holocaust the worship of the nuclear

weapon and things of that nature so like did

you feel like it was an easier way out to just

do like the scientific angle or do you feel like

it's just a much more natural way to set up how

all of this goes without having to resort to

some of the extremes that we got in the original

films i think it makes more sense i think it's

cleaner you know it's not having mutants and

also you know the the original is in the height

of the cold war i think it's not the height but

it was within the cold war and considering that

this is taking place during a different time

it makes sense to adjust what happened and although

like you know it being a pandemic fits more for

today compared to the and that long ago although

you know there were things that that came up

here and there so i think it was a smart move

uh to go that way i mean less mutants the better

probably is always a good way to go uh and unless

it's x -men yes and uh but also like making it

being able to speed up the process so we can

see these apes getting smarter and we understand

why It allows us to go on this journey with Caesar

rather than like the past films where we have

the son we don't have that relationship with

and then you just have the apes who suddenly

now have the ability to talk because reasons.

So I think it's trying to find justification

for things in a lot more cause and effect manner

compared to what we got with some of the past

installments. It's seen it now because we originally

saw this in 2011 which was pre -covid and you

know obviously this time i'm watching is post

-covid um yes was did that affect your your view

of kind of the impact of how this goes the way

it goes yeah it is kind of funny because it's

like man they're really last days ago with with

this stuff it's like i feel like they should

be marrying mass and then he's he's in fact they

didn't have to go through the whole like you

know uh quarantine or anything like that uh so

yeah it's it's it's much more real now obviously

since we've gone through it and you definitely

don't have that like this could never happen

thing anymore yeah certainly it's like oh man

they gotta they gotta be wearing those masks

and the wash up but they he didn't follow any

of the precautions whatsoever so man no wonder

the apes took over so yes i do think though that

i appreciated how they handled that whole element

of the story because there is some breadcrumbs

that are obviously dropped throughout the movie

but i appreciated that they didn't have to do

the zoom in on this sequence where he caught

like there is the one part where they show like

he coughs blood on the thing but it's not they

don't make a big deal about it then there's a

sequence later where he's just like sniffling

or coughing or sick or whatever and like there's

one time where they just mentioned it in passing

like that so and so wasn't here because he called

out sick i thought that they did a decent job

of just kind of like dropping those without the

zoom in without the hit you in the face like

did you hear what we just said the guy's out

sick like they didn't do that in fact i like

i think it's genius that they actually don't

show the results of any of that except for graphics

over the end credits yeah like i think that's

one of the most effective like end credits versions

of how they do that and like just showing the

progression of that like that a lot of other

directors would have found a way to put that

more in the actual movie. And so I kind of appreciated

that. Yeah. It keeps it in the background. It

doesn't suddenly change it. Like you, you can

put the pieces together yourself. It's, you know,

it makes it pretty, once he starts coughing blood,

once a mask comes off, you can start figuring

out where it could go. But yeah, I thought it

was, it was, I think, I think even in the first

time I watched it, like, I don't know if I fully

picked it up on it. Cause you're just, you know,

I had no background for the apes movies really.

So, you know, it just, wasn't really thinking

like or or if anything thought it would come

back around a little bit more or something like

that but in this case it it did its job and then

like you said brought it back and it's interesting

because like watching the streaming and how it

was with streaming now like when you finish a

movie and it's like well this is done so you

don't want to watch the credits it's like this

is kind of important can you not can i just that's

you know watch the credit button yeah yeah So

they even keep it kind of close to the vest that

that neighbor is a pilot. Like they don't, they

don't telegraph that right away. And until like

later on. And then all of a sudden you see it

and you're like, Oh, I can see all the, I can

connect all the dots now, which are actually

going to be connected on screen during the credit.

So we, we have that. I was also curious. I think

one of my minor nitpicks of this film is the

Jacobs character who is james franco's boss at

this lab and i almost could have dealt with him

being a little less villainy yeah we there there

are some really heavily one note characters and

some overacting for sure i think they went to

the charlton heston like we gotta overact at

school um i don't well i don't um david alelio

i don't think he overacts like i agree like his

character is just like He has nothing, no dimension

whatsoever. He's just the evil CEO that's going

to do whatever. And then I think even worse than

that is Tom Felton's character of Dodge. I also

don't think he's very good in it. I feel bad

for that actor because it's going to be hard

for him to ever play anyone that's not a giant

douchebag because being in Harry Potter and everything

like that. I feel like they, that they are trying

to bring that into this, but I don't, I think

like that he's one of the weakest links. I don't

think, I also don't think John Lithgow, like

he's good, but there are some times where it

feels like he's, he's known for being a bit of

an over actor. And I think he, he, he falls into

that a little bit here too. So it is, it is not

a spotless movie by any means in my estimation.

I did. I did really like John Lithgow actually.

like I don't as much the other two but for some

reason like I thought John Lithgow was like because

I think maybe it's because I was so prepared

for him to be a little bit more extreme and like

for him I felt like he had dialed it back just

enough for me but yeah I did and I enjoyed James

Franco in this quite a bit actually yeah i thought

james franco was like i remember for a long time

thinking like oh he's not a good actor but he

can be with the right material and he was good

here as his moments for sure yeah um other things

that stood out from you this time around with

uh with rise uh did you like it just as much

as you did the first time you like it more in

retrospect watching some of these other ones

or something else that you haven't been had a

chance to kind of touch on yet it's still good

i was still impressed with how well a lot of

the cg we didn't mention the cgi but we should

certainly should because it is a lot of it holds

up so well still like it especially like with

the faces and the eyes and like it gets that

right like and a lot of times when it comes to

like the cgi like that is like where movies like

falter the most and they try to hide it and in

this it didn't like it was like the motion capture

and everything like that still still is pretty

strong uh all these years later so it's because

they're requiring it to do a lot like i remember

when this was coming out people like there's

a big push for indie circus to get an oscar nomination

and things like that i don't know like about

you know where that starts but i do think it

on a special effects level is still like amazing

it's still so good it may be not as great as

today but considering you know this is 15 16

years old does not does not look at compared

to a lot of films and i think still has better

cgi than a lot of the movies that we're getting

right now yeah you can go ahead and watch clash

of the titans which came out around the same

time and you can see a difference in cgi at least

the kraken you know yeah but this one i think

you touched on it like it it's cgi but it does

feel like real people behind the eyes it does

feel like they're not hollow and like they're

not just like soulless so i i think that's super

impressive i love the uh inclusion of like the

sign language as like a step of the evolution

of the intelligence of these um of the apes you

know there's some just some cool sequences whether

it's them going through the trees outside of

the house that will as they go down the street

with all the leaves falling whether it's a lot

of the stuff that we get on the golden gate bridge

like and and the the redwood trees and things

of that nature like they do some Pretty cool

shots and sequences here for sure. Yeah. I do

love how when they get all the poles from the

fences and whatnot, and they have that great

shot of them on top of the buildings as the police

and things look on. I do think, if anything,

it does seem like a lot of apes. It's like, is

there that many apes in San Francisco? But they

go to the zoo, and so I guess it makes a little

sense. But yeah, it's a film. And one thing that's

kind of... struck me too is that and this is

directed by rupert wyatt and it's so weird that

like this is so good like when i it's so much

better than i ever thought it would have been

when i first saw it was coming out but he hasn't

really done much since which is strange to me

like he like he did that um that movie desert

warrior that came out this year and like that

was like it like is notorious for how much it

bombed because it was out for like a day uh and

but ever since then like he did like the captive

state which i have not seen and at least as a

director which which say because this was a success

and i think in the direction here is strong so

i don't i don't know why that is i just find

it quite strange that he was he has this movie

did such a good job and then obviously next matt

reeves comes into the next two but yeah which

i completely thought that matt reeves had done

them all like yeah i did i did too because again

like i forgot why i directed this and I'm like,

oh, what else did he do? I'm like, oh, nothing

really. I mean, I shouldn't say nothing, but

he never came close to repeating his success.

And I don't know if that's just indicative because

he was just one person of a much bigger team

and it would have been successful without. I

don't know. And it's hard to make movies, so

maybe he focused on other things, but I just

find that fascinating. Yeah, I completely forgot

that he did the first one for sure. i do also

last thing that i forgot to mention i do definitely

appreciate the progression of caesar in this

one over the progression of caesar in the uh

conquest of battle um yes the end of conquest

and into the battle like they do give him a little

bit they pull it back a little bit in in battle

i guess for him but like the way that conquest

ends on such as like this speech that that caesar

is giving like i much preferred progression that

we got here in rise yeah and so much of it is

done through through body language you know like

his like his emotion like his his mindset it's

it's just the way he stands there's that great

moment where you know jim franco is trying to

take him out and then he refuses and you see

him close the door and just the way he does it

it's it's again it speaks to both the performance

as well as the special effects to like to nail

that like yeah he again as we open this we mentioned

how this doesn't have the social political elements

but on the character level it's it's by far the

strongest we've gotten thus far and i think it

did another thing that that sometimes we forget

can happen which is it was a a film that came

out in august like the beginning of august so

still summertime so so to speak a summer blockbuster

that that has substance to it right like that

can can do a lot of things that we sometimes

just assume is not going to happen in a blockbuster

especially one that's science fiction fantasy

you know etc like i it's probably one of the

best blockbusters that came out in that decade

yeah in my opinion especially august blockbusters

where you know august was like for a long time

like the dumping month of the summer where it's

like oh it's not let's let's get in this i think

this helped change that mindset again that's

partially why when it was coming out i'm like

well you know the last movie wasn't very good

this is coming out in august like why even bother

and uh you know that's what ultimately is why

i i refuse to ever reject a movie simply based

upon concept is because of this movie because

it's like actually i was completely wrong it

you can it can turn out great and then this is

really just the start and thank goodness it made

money because it and it made a lot of money i

think the budget was somewhere just shy of 100

million and i think it made like almost 500 maybe

a little bit short of that so um it got us a

whole series of films that we're going to be

able to to spend more time talking about dan

so next we go to dawn of the planet of the apes

because that you you you dawn after you rise

i don't know dawn happens and then you rise but

we'll forgive it and like you said we're getting

into some some matt reeves uh directed films

here do you remember how many times you've seen

dawn has it just been one or a couple times it's

been at least two it's uh if because i i saw

it in theaters and then i saw it because i loved

it uh spoiler alert i guess uh and when it came

out back out on media or whatever So it's been

at least twice I've seen it. So I think this

one probably is my third or I think I've seen

it three times. I think this will be at least

the fourth time I've seen this. And I've probably

seen like back when I had cable, like, you know,

bits and pieces when I was on TV. Just, you know.

Oh, for sure. So looking forward to continuing

this journey, getting some Coba and Caesar action

here moving forward. And I'm intrigued as we

kind of inch closer to the one that you haven't

seen at the end. So, Dan, how can people keep

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time with you guys next as we move on to the

next chapter in our Planet of the Apes retrospective.

And if you want a touch of something else, you

can always check out our Western film episodes

that we are doing simultaneously. So that does

it for this episode. Tune in next time for another

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