Top 10 Comic Book Films of the Decade

Hey, this is Greg burger and you are listening

to the geek cast radio network Hello and welcome

to episode 188 of the cinema geeks I am one of

your cinema geeks optimus solo and joining me

for today's record is movie revolt and hello

Dan Hello, how's it going? Going it is going

a new world that I'm living in right now. Yeah

Congratulations, by the way Thank you. The little

daughter is one week and one day old. No one

week and two days old now It's flying by already.

You don't know I don't it's all a blur Also,

we spent the first five days in the hospital.

So it was a quite an ordeal but Everything's

good. So we're back home and we're good to go.

So a little seersha Quinn so She's doing good.

But we are here to continue our series in our

Best movies of the decade list. We've already

done science fiction. We have also done Animation

and now today we're gonna continue that by looking

at the world of movies based on comic books And

we are not alone as you heard there are some

guests here. So joining Dan and myself the dynamic

duo returns. Mr. DJ Valentine. Hello Which Sir

Charonan movies are you gonna make your daughter

listen to first or watch further? It's gonna

be Hannah. We're gonna LadyBerry where we're

going with it Yeah, it's gonna be interesting

what we choose first. I think some of them will

come later down the road What was interesting

a side note here? We were our Amanda and I were

watching a bunch of animated films trying to

catch up before Dan and Amanda myself and JD

did the top animated films of the decade and

one of the songs that we are one of the songs

one of the movies that we watched to catch up

was song of the song of the sea i think i said

that right and the main girl's name in there

is seersha and uh that was the first time i've

heard a like a character name that in a movie

so uh we'll have to show that probably before

we get to any of the the live action stuff but

uh it'll be cool um it was kind of weird too

because it was like right beforehand and we were

still solidifying the name and this that and

the other and i was like oh She has a movie that

has a character with her name in it. So that's

cool. I'm done I'm Legitimize right right, right.

I guess we're good to go then. Um, and DJ is

not alone He brought his partner in crime Matthew

Stewart. Hello partner in crime Always department

crime to be committed Matthew 15 20 Obviously

we had these guys on with the science fiction

but felt like there's no better duel to also

come in and talk about comic book films So bring

them back return appearance. Sorry if you don't

like the sound of their voice, but they're here

to stay I like listening to their nonsense back

and forth usually more educated nonsense than

I spew out, so that's always good. So we're doing

things a little different with this list than

we did with the other ones. The other ones, we

all just had our top 10, and we just went 10

through one, each bouncing back and forth as

we climbed towards the top of our list. What

we did at the half decade point for the comic

book films is we all submitted a list and then

had just one combined top 10. Partially because

you know at the half decade mark there hadn't

been that many Comic book films to choose from

so we didn't want to get into a top ten where

it's like, oh, that's my number seven Oh, that's

not my number four and we're just kind of talking

all over each other So we're gonna do a combined

list and then at the end as far as honorable

mentions go Each person will be able to talk

about anything that was on their individual list

that did not make The combined list if that makes

any sense to anybody You guys all submitted your

list to me. Nobody else knows what's on the combined

list except for me So it'll kind of be a reveal

as we go through here, but I wanted to ask you

guys a couple questions Before we start because

you each independently submitted a list so that

means that we had four top ten submitted so The

least amount of films that we could be talking

about in today's episode would obviously be ten

films if we all had the same ten films The most

we could be talking about simple math here would

be 40 if we had no not a single film that Managed

to duplicate on anybody's list. So we have to

be somewhere between 10 and 40 films I just want

to pull you guys a little bit. How many films

do you think we will be talking about DJ? Say

about half that I say about 20 20. What about

you Matt? I'll go lower. I'll do the under and

say 15 just because science fiction we had a

lot of crossover and I feel like this is even

a smaller pool So I'll say 15. Yeah, that's what

I thought too, because if you look back at our

half decade list, and that was just DJ Dan and

myself. So the range was a little bit different.

That was 10 to 30, basically. And we only talked

about 15 films on that one. We had a lot of crossover

on our half decade list. And I was anticipating

a whole lot of crossover on this one as well.

And there was not. We are going to be talking

about 23 different films on this list. I feel

like that's a lot. Showdown. Yeah, basically.

You didn't. You weren't close enough, though,

to win like the extra the both showdown. So I

don't think I'm going to. I think this trip to

Switzerland. I'm sorry. That was surprising to

me for sure. Twenty three films being covered.

And just to go off of a little bit more, there

was only two films that appear on all four of

our lists. Wow. That surprised me. So there's

two films that appeared on all four of our list.

And there's only two films that appeared on three

of the four less. So, yeah, there was seven films

that appeared on two people's list and 12 films

that were only on one list. I think it's my fault

here. I'm kind of a comic book purist, so maybe

I'm old. Maybe I'm looking for things in movies

that you guys are looking for things It is interesting

there the the films that did not appear on more

than two people's lists Some of them are very

surprising to me. So we'll have to get into that.

But before we start unveiling Actual movies that

appeared on the combined list. I wanted to get

your guys is just quick You know thoughts on

forming the list and kind of what you were looking

for Because it was a big decade for comic book

films obviously probably unarguably the biggest

decade ever when it comes to comic book films.

So DJ, how was the process of trying to whittle

this down to 10? I mean, I think we gave a list

out that was kind of a rough, rough list and

it was about 100 films. Obviously there could

have been some outside of that, but how was that

whittling process down for you? Well, you might

not remember when you first brought this up,

I gave you my list in five minutes. So because

I, my top five was very, very easy for me because

Till this day it probably has been the least

amount of movement between the top five for me

The bottom five was the one where I was like,

hmm, what should I put here? There's a little

bit more interesting way from six to ten then

from one to five one to five is has been my one

to five since Probably these those movies had

come out. So yeah, right I was very similar my

one to fours were locked the whole time my five

through eight were locks Just didn't know where

they would fall And it was my nine and 10 that

were kind of a little bit more of a toss up that

I was trying to debate between a few films as

far as what got in there. Matt, how was your

process and what do you look for in a comic book

film? I'm kind of a comic. I mean, DJ can attest

to this. I'm very spastic. And if you go back

to listen to any any of our podcasts from probably

what 2000 and what? 12 14 15 I was the first

one to be ringing the door bring in the dinner

bell like I'm tired of this genre I'm over it

Perfect to have me on the show But Funny enough

like I ended up kind of falling down like a rabbit

hole rewatching Pretty much. I mean out. Yeah,

everything that's on my list. I rewatched reaffirm

how much I like these as my top 10 and then even

some other ones as well. So kind of got a little

bit of a comic book kick watching all these films.

I don't know. I went by source material. I went

by what I like. And I didn't really go by the...

Some of this will probably fall in consensus,

but obviously not because we have 23 different

films we got to talk about. So I'm interested

to see what everybody else said, but I go by

my gut and what... what emotionally invests me

in these films. Thanks. I don't think anybody

can blame that strategy and that criteria. That's

a good one to go with. Dan, obviously the decade

was huge for the MCU with just the sheer volume

of films that came out during this decade. Did

that make it a lot harder for some of the maybe

non -superhero comic book films or some of the

comic book films that were outside of the MCU

to crack lists or how do you think the process

was? it was honestly harder for me to like determine

with when it came to MCC you like a lot of it

just jumbled together in the sense of like I

didn't want to have You know a lot of MCU movies.

I do like them a lot but it almost It made me

realize how how many of those are super close

to me when it comes to like quality wise like

You know my top five MCU films my bottom and

what my top ten is like always moving for the

most part I think I have my top two and everything

beneath that kind of Always is pretty varied

does that mean a little bit harder? But I think

what's different about this list is you know

is keys. It's just it's comic book movies and

superhero films It's they don't have it doesn't

have to be a superhero film to qualify just based

upon a comic book Which is a little harder to

judge against since you know science fiction

films tend to be going after similar things Where

you know i'll have a for example in my top 10

I had a movie that's much more a political comedy

compared to something that's like an action thriller

and That's a little harder to compare it to each

other So this is much probably the most personal

list for me when it came to all these Because

it's just really what really resonated with me

often a lot of these I have Personal experience

with the source material as well So if I really

like the source material and I feel like they

did it justice or in some cases even approved

upon it That kind of gave it extra points as

well. So But yeah, I think the MCU was is his

own and it's entity and In a way it I when I

was doing my list I just I didn't want to dominate

it from MCU films plus I think there are a lot

a lot of other movies also Deserved it too. So

yeah, right another interesting thing that we

have to deal with each individually as you know

Especially for DJ man now that you've guys been

on a couple episode and Dan myself This is what

our third one or whatever is how we treat films

that are, you know cross genres and Can be considered

for multiple lists? Do you include them on all

your list or do you keep them off? So that might

be something that we get into as well because

there's definitely some that qualify for Comic

book films that may have come up in both either

animated or science fiction as well So that'll

be interesting to kind of go through as well

like I said if don't feel bad if we don't get

to one of your individual films during the combined

list you will all get a chance to highlight those

and Brag about them or get them involved in the

discussion towards the end. So we're gonna start

off weird though because We're gonna start off

with our number 10 combined pick is actually

a three -way tie. And just to kind of highlight,

I guess the the lack of crossover, it will be

the only spot on the countdown that a movie only

had to appear on one person's list to get there.

So it's funny, though, because it's the same

spot on on three different lists. So this is

a fourth or let's see. Fourth, no. On my list

this would have been Sorry, I'm compiling a lot

of different lists here He's crunching the numbers

folks. I am crunching the numbers It helps if

I'm looking at the full decade and not the half

decade list. So that's that's one thing that

helps this was number three on Three of our different

lists. So it's it's three of our number three

picks if that makes sense So kind of going all

across the spectrum here. It's a three -way tie

for Avengers Infinity War Blue is the warmest

color and x -men days of future past so that

was ranked number three uh dj you had infinity

war ranked number three dan you had blue is the

warmest color ranked number three and i had x

-men days of future past ranked number three

so that is our weird tie at the tenth spot um

dj i'll give it to you first how do you break

that down i i think i prefer infinity war uh

over let's say uh in game or the regular avengers

movie or age of ultron because for one this that

movie starts and does not let up at all i think

there is maybe one slow moment and that moment

is uh character development for the film's protagonist

thanos which is crazy unto itself where the monumental

huge summer blockbuster makes the protagonist

not captain america or iron man but thanos It's

a heist movie seen through the eyes of a crook,

which is great. It's almost like an Ocean's Eleven

genre -bending superhero movie. Thanos being

that crook, a character that was built up for

eight years, maybe seven years, a long time,

and who totally delivers visually, visually,

narratively, performance -wise. I remember leaving

Iron Man. One with my stepdad who got me into

comic books to begin with and he said to me after

we left the first Iron Man He was like, hey Maybe

they could do Thanos because he read comic books

and he knew that Thanos Appeared in Iron Man

comic books the first time and I was I just remember

laughing I was like there's no effing way they'll

ever do Thanos. Thanos is too far out there and

I could not even conceive of them doing it and

they pulled him off so perfectly and the Infinity

Gauntlet saga I didn't think they'd ever be able

to pull off killing all these people. Seven million

memes later, Avengers Infinity War, I think,

for my money, is the most well -constructed of

the Avengers films in which literally every single

character from Wong to Okoye to Peter Dinklage

gets a moment. So I think Avengers Infinity War

is my favorite Avengers movie and that's why

it was my number three. Alright Dan I'm gonna

give you a chance to talk about blue is the warmest

color then I'll talk about days the future past

and then we'll let Matt kind of Summarize it

at the end since he is obviously the odd man

out here before I like to talk about blue is

the warmest color I couldn't rank blue is the

warmest color because I didn't get a chance to

watch it yet So it is a while for me. Otherwise,

it might have cracked my list, but I just haven't

seen it So Dan what makes blue is the warmest

color? Something that should be this high Think

it's I think it's all streaming on Hulu or no

Netflix. It has been for a while I don't know

if that's one that I can show or I can watch

with Amanda. No, no That's super rated are super

Yeah, I would say like, you know if there was

one complaint about blue the war was coming colors

that you could argue It just get pretty gratuitous

at times almost like it's when it comes to the

the sex scenes and things without any shirt but

I think what I think what drives it what makes

it work even despite that or the performances

of you know, the two lead actresses. They're

just phenomenal I wasn't really familiar with

the the manga it's based upon or if it's qualified

as manga or what have you I've read a little

bit of it since then um, but it's just uh Really

well constructed well done. Um, beautifully told

coming of age film within within this romance

that just feels very authentic and Despite what

I said about the sex scenes, it is beautifully

shot as well. I always feel like with sometimes

with horror films, it's hard to really pick up

on performances because of the language barrier.

You can't always see them at the same light as

you would a film that you can understand the

language of. But I think even the strength of

the performance are there because of a lot of

the quiet moments as well. Obviously not the

first thing that people think about when they

think about comic book movies. But I think that's

what it why I also wanted to highlight it as

well is because it just shows the variety of

stories that are told Through comic books that

they're not always superhero films. They can

be these smaller life stories as well And this

to me was one of the best represent representations

of it of the genre And the film genre as well.

So nice Interesting. I think that one came up

as honorable mention last time I don't think

everybody had seen it at that point either obviously

I still haven't but when we did the half decade

list, obviously Infinity War had not been released

yet X -Men Days of Future Past which was my number

three which was the other one that was tied in

this group was obviously out at the half decade

part And DJ and Dan you both had it ranked number

five on your half decade list. I had it ranked

number four And it came up number four on the

combined list. I actually just this last Couple

days or last week rewatched both. Well, we rewatched

about five comic book movies, but two of them

were X -Men First Class and X -Men Days of Future

Past just because it had been a while. And I

wanted to kind of rewatch that one and see if

it was still as high on my list as I had it at

that point. And it definitely is like I really

enjoy Days of Future Past. Like that one is just

as good now to me as it was when I saw it in

the theaters. I love the dynamics. I love the

mixing of the two different casts together and

kind of what they're doing there and I think

Some of these films and there's gonna be another

one that we might talk about later at some point

but the X -Men films as well as some of the other

comic book films that kind of predated the Not

necessarily the whole MCU movement, but kind

of like the peak of the MCU movement I'm wondering

if some of those have gotten not necessarily

forgotten about but Buried in a way with all

the different comic book films that have come

out since then because I don't know I would definitely

still sing the praises of days of future past

I want to I saw what Dan and DJ one of you either

watched it recently or one of you was tweeting

about it recently I was tweeting about both of

them. Yeah I see more and more about first first

class, but days of future past. I think I said

that has my favorite as a favorite but most logical

explanation of time travel That I've seen in

a movie over Terminator A little bit over back

to the future because it's kind of back to the

future rules, but because they're not transporting

matter the transporting consciousness Makes more

logical sense to me because you can't have two

Marty McFly that always bothers me, but I I Love

that movie Except for maybe a little bits bits

near the end, but everything else about it is

it's fantastic Dan did you just rewatch it? Yeah,

I haven't finished rewatching it but It came

on Disney Plus, you know, they're slowly Disney

silly adding the X -Men films on It's weird which

ones they have the X -Men apocalypse in first

class and like that's it which is kind of weird

Uh, but yeah, I think that's kind of what hurts

the x -men films is that they're they are rather

inconsistent you tend to have They're almost

like the star trek ones where you have a great

one and a bad one a great one and a bad one Although

with first class and days of future past, I think

you have the two strongest back to back But I

do I do really enjoy that as well I think to

me what i've always enjoyed over with the x -men

films even over the mcu or the character dynamics

I find much more dynamic and uh, there's more

depth there compared to the mcu because of obviously

what they're representing um you know between

i can just see michael fassbender and james mcdavoy

go back and forth all day long like one of my

favorite scenes in that entire movie is just

uh michael fassbender saying names on an airplane

but it just worked Yeah, what he's making them

he's yelling out all the dead mutants. Yeah Yeah,

it's just and it's tense and it's just like just

fasteners. It's so great as Magneto My only complaint

really about the first class is that they didn't

bring back the Magneto theme from first class,

which was fantastic The Andrew Jackman score

Frankenstein. Yeah. Yeah. Oh good It that was

that I really hope I don't know why they stopped

using it, but they it was perfect They kind of

kept kept the gum, but they didn't but Yeah,

I can do the score for a feature pass. I can't

even remember. I think it's same. I think it's

same. But it's I don't know off the top of my

head, to be honest with you. But it's fun to

see Fassbender and Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman

and, you know, some of these actors all in the

same, you know, superhero film basically is something

that you would not necessarily put, you know,

right down on paper is something that you would

think would work, but it works really well. This

is one digression from the comic book that I

think works. Well because uh and i know why they

did it because they wanted to have more screen

time for you jack because i own the book it's

shadow cat or ellen page's character that goes

in the past and they did it where it's jackman

it goes in the past but i think it works very

very well even though this is a a clear studio

decision we got to put jackman in this we can't

just have ellen page well even with all the x

-men movies before that it was always the wolverine

show in so many ways it didn't really matter

about the x -men it was like Okay, what's wolverine's

past from the very first x -men movie all the

way pretty much until you know apocalypse in

a lot of ways It was like who is wolverine. What

does he do? We have to market him because everybody

loves wolverine. Everybody else is like shadow

cat So mad three very different films Here with

infinity war blues and warmest color and days

of future past thoughts on any of them Or would

you give the edge to one over the other? I mean

You sometimes forget, I mean, Dan brings up a

good point where blue is the warmest color. You

forget that it was a manga or a graphic novel

or whatever it might've been before it became

a film. But as a film, it's fantastic. You know,

and this is where we're going to kind of, I guess

maybe split hairs along the way about what's

a comic book movie versus a drama versus a coming

of age story and stuff like that. So opening

your, you know, I guess, Dan firing the first

shots like, this is going to be the classy list,

not like you other... And then Infinity War,

I mean, that was in my revision list, that was

in the top 20, same thing as Days of Future Past.

I feel like with Days of Future Past, Apocalypse

kind of... Tarnished I don't want to say tarnished

it but it kind of did in some ways where you

forget how good either first -class was or days

of future past was because of how Not good Apocalypse

was in a lot of ways and maybe maybe it's also

the The director I'm blanking on his name right

now Brian Singer thing type thing where you're

like, oh well cancel that a little bit And then

infinity war. Yeah It's in any in any other version

of a list, it would have been on my list. But

again, I'm judging my list on other things. And

of course, I'm the one weirdo who did not include

that on my list at all or anything like that.

So I mean, I respect them all. They're all they're

all fine. They're all fine films and everything

is just came down to. Taste in my weirdness a

lot of ways. Hey, we all have that so alright.

Let's move on to our number I do want to mention

so the person we brought it up John Altman did

the music for that's why yeah, he works with

singer all the time Gotcha, so we don't get any

any tweets at us that we didn't know what our

stuff Dan came in with the save there. All right,

so for our number nine, this is kind of going

into another group of films that I feel like

also has been buried by the MCU. For number nine,

we're gonna go to Dark Knight Rises. It was on

Matthew and my list, not on DJ's or Dan's list.

That was one that, I guess it depends on which

one you like in that trilogy. But for me, the

reason why I decided to put it on my top 10 is,

you know, pre mcu blow up etc etc. I feel like

really this trilogy of batman films somewhat

changed the game um in a major way like I feel

like and i'm sure there's exceptions and there's

ones that you know you could point out that did

it first or whatever but my opinion of comic

book films and specifically of superhero films

within that kind of subgenre of comic book films

you know throughout the 80s 90s etc was that

it was always Really cheesy, you know what I

mean? It was always not that that's always a

bad thing, but it was it was really More fun

more kidlike and again, these aren't bad things.

We're talking about, you know a type of comic

book Which that's kind of what they are. They

should be comic bookie. They should be for kids

But it was not until you know, this Dark Knight

trilogy came out that I was kind of seeing comic

book films as Something else they could do something

else that they can achieve and be successful

with With this more serious More dramatic style

where it's not as out of this world, you know

The the effects are a little bit more realistic

looking the the costumes and the characters are

a little more realistic looking Kind of the antithesis

to what Batman and Robin from back in the day

or something like that. So I just feel like they

deserve to be talked about still in a highway

I feel like it's almost like the inception of

what we had with the sci -fi list where it's

something that Really was groundbreaking at the

time and and was talked about a lot when the

movie came out But now that we've gone through

the whole decade, we've had so many other movies

We've had so many other years and I just feel

like they're somewhat buried somewhat underappreciated

But for me Dark Knight Rises still deserves to

be talked about so I had it all the way up at

my number four Matt, you had it at your number

eight. What made you have Dark Knight kind of

crack your top ten? This is the classic, you

know, you can stumble. I mean, we go back to

the I guess the revision, revisionist history

of the of the new X -Men films for Fox with the

first class trilogy, the third film. I mean,

other people, I'm sure they love Apocalypse.

I'm not in that camp. There are a few things

that might be OK. But overall, it's like this

is a mess and I don't want to watch this anymore.

But After being emotionally invested after after

the first Batman after Batman begins you're like

this is cool I like where they're going with

this and then you had kind of I mean in a lot

of ways you could say Dark Knight The Dark Knight

kind of changed the game. It legitimized Comic

book movies for a lot of people. Wow, this is

high art. It's like you guys were just shitting

all over Batman and Robin Six years ago now,

it's high art, of course, but I digress about

that but then Dark Knight Rises, it made me weep

in a theater, which I don't, well, I do often.

But the way Nolan kind of just made the story,

and as much as people like the poke holes in

this movie now, it's like, this doesn't make

sense. That doesn't make sense. Like, it's a

comic book movie, people. This isn't brain surgery

or anything. Plus, why can't we just, I mean,

and this is a newer kind of like symptom of just

like, it's the culture now where people are like,

Automatically this is crap. You know, it's probably

a lot of the Joker bros out there and stuff like

that, but whatever But in a lot not you're gonna

get a lot of hate mail in this This is gonna

be I'm going in all these people now but just

the way he weaved that story where at the end

of the day it came down to You know in spoiler

alert and everything like that Bruce Wayne losing

his whole world but then one person saying, it's

gonna be okay. And I'm getting goosebumps just

thinking about that scene right now a lot of

ways because that is the point of the entire

thing that there are good people in the world.

No matter how horrific an event you have, you

had that one good guy who was like, I'm not gonna

be a bad guy or anything like that. And I'm helping

this kid because he's going through the worst

time of his life. And it's amazing. Another interesting

thing this is another set of the movies that

I just rewatched recently I rewatched all three

of the Batman Begins Dark Knight Dark Knight

Rises just to again refresh and make sure I still

felt that way about them but it's interesting

going back ten years and watching this film and

then after all these other films have come out

that have had some of the actors that appeared

in this because we got you know Christian Bale

obviously Gary Oldman's a veteran but you have

Tom Hardy you know Maybe not before people knew

him but he obviously even made more of a name

for himself over the decade Marion Cotillard

Joseph Gordon Levitt You have Ben Mendelsohn

in here, you know temple Cillian Murphy Aaron

Eckhart, etc I mean it is a crazy cast and Hathaway

Morgan Freeman obviously to to Liam Neeson I

mean I could keep going there's just a ton of

people in here that it's interesting to see ten

years later that they were all in this film together,

but um dan or dj any thoughts on Is it if it

was dark night would it have made it or is dark

night rises a step down? Or how do you feel about

those? I think it was dark night dark night would

probably be my number one of this decade. Um,

I I like dark night rises a lot. Uh, I do think

there are I don't think it's nearly the level

of dark night, which is hard. It's just impossible

to really do I think uh, but I I do think there

are a lot of issues with it, um narratively that

To me I can overlook but to me when i'm breaking

the best films I couldn't put it on this list

because of that uh, but there are like a lot

of standout moments to that movie. I love I love

like the um the moment near the end of the film

where you have all the police officers just like

doing this like lord of the rings ass charge

on the onto all the bench forces and for bruce

wayne yeah, it's probably like it's which I think

weird is that it's You know no one's films were

all about like realism, but there is a lot of

comic bookness in that movie compared to What

came before even like the giant bat symbol that

gets turned on fire, which I think is a great

moment But it's it's kind of funny. It's like

you spent all that time getting that set up.

But uh, but I I those Logic things. I kind of

feel like people make a big deal about that aren't

necessarily That big of a deal. Um, it's also

kind of funny because it's like, you know It's

not realistic that people would just let all

these people die and not do anything about it

But now we know that's not the case anymore.

Apparently I was ahead of the curve. Art has

become reality, so yeah. But yeah, I do really

like it. It's I I. But like I said, just because

I'm looking at the best of the best if. Some

of those things you know heard, you know, love

Zimmer score is fantastic. The opening sequence

again to that was really strong to the with the

plane, the practical effects that were done.

But and I know people make a big deal about Tom

Hardy's voice. I've never had an issue understand.

I like it Yeah, but I I do like I do like being

as a as a character and that's where it kind

of leaves it drops off for me is that they Uns

yeah, you guys had me on wrestling podcast before

who do I love? I love the bad guys. Yeah, maybe

unceremoniously just get rid of him and you don't

even No, did he die? That's what kind of knocks

it down. Some is that even Talia it's it's it's

so like. Pairing it to another movie on any of

the other movies on my list how they deal with

the villain if this wouldn't had the week even

the how they deal with the Joker was in the Dark

Knight or a race in the first one was more Ceremonious

than the way they got rid of who would Bane was

such amazing character running this movie he's

the engine of this movie and That's it by and

we're not even gonna mention him for the rest

of the time as a that's what kind of knocked

it down for me Makes sense makes sense. All right.

Well, let's move into one that was a little bit

more Universal here This was one of the two films

that was on three of our list even though it

comes in down here at the number eight spot It

was let's see number ten on DJ's list It was

number six on my list and number seven on Matthew's

list DJ will let you start with this one. We're

talking about Guardians of the Galaxy Nobody

thought it would work most of all I remember

when they announced this film at Comic Con I

was pissed off. Like, I was like, I think I was

there. I was like, Kevin Feige, you son of a

bitch. That's what you're doing next. Boy, did

I, they proved me wrong setting up the galactic

universe. of the MCU is probably the most important

thing James Gunn did with this movie because

every skeleton of this movie is what we live

off of now with Thor, Ragnarok, with Guardians

2, with Infinity War, with Endgame. It's all

coming from this. Probably Eternals, probably

Doctor Strange, all comes from Guardians of the

Galaxy. And the fact that James Gunn was Loud

to make these characters so distinct and lovable

and flawed and now their household names a frickin

tree and a talking raccoon i say all the time

the fact that you can't get superman to work

but you can have a raccoon with a machine gun

and a tree work baffles my mind but yeah the

fact that this is kind of only a bread crumb

of Thanos one of the few bread crumbs but I was

so giddy when I saw him. It was so, I think,

perfect of a launching point. Like if anybody

else would do Guardians, I don't think it would

work. And this is why when I left, I was very

worried because I don't see, even though Russo's

did very well with these characters, I don't

trust a lot of people to take, understand how

to navigate the The drama the humor and the action

of the guardians of the galaxy as much as james

gun, which he pulled through which nobody Anybody

tell you. Oh, I knew it was gonna be a hit. They're

lying in your face. Nobody knew this was gonna

be here. Nobody That existed before this release

and when news was out and you can hear everybody

including probably myself sound like idiots About

what this was gonna be and what was interesting

to me is, you know mcu is a lot of things especially,

you know, if you're doing I can compare and contrast

mcu to dc And one thing MCU is known for is being

a little bit more light a little bit more humorous

and like Guardians of the Galaxy is like the

exclamation point on that aspect of the MCU And

but like you said, also being able to balance

it with the story and the action, et cetera.

So, yeah, it was I believe it came out within

like a year. This is like a January, February

release or something like early August. Oh, this

is August. Yeah, I remember. OK. But it came

out of nowhere when it did drop in and nobody

was expecting it to just be not just successful

within like geek circles like ours, but just

a moneymaker as well. Like nobody was anticipating

it to be the blockbuster that it was. So. Matt

this one was your number seven. So obviously

you're somewhat in agreement with everything

we said Yeah, pretty much. I mean I I mean and

I'll Out there. I mean I I knew of the Guardians

of the Galaxy when they announced it I mean,

I probably said like that's cool. They got like

weird characters and I mean I was already a big

James Gunn fan I mean, I'd like James Gunn going

all the way back to trauma days and slither and

because all his weird just kind of oddball You

know sensibility appeal to me. I'm like, oh wow,

you could make this But it's like, how is, how

are they going to let James Gunn, a guy who was

like the trauma version of like John Waters and

stuff like that, kind of get away with like,

how was he getting into the MCU? And of course

they tried to drive him out and everything. That's,

that's a whole different story altogether. But

I mean, it's, he works so much stuff into, in

giving every character. their time to shine and

their own little personality so you can like

your own characters. Oh, I'm a Drax guy. Well,

I'm a storyboard guy. I'm a Gamora girl or something

like that. Something like that was really cool

and exciting. Plus, he was able to weave his

own brand of humor and the fact that he could

include like... a cum joke into a movie without

people really knowing? It's true. It's still

interesting to me. Jackson Pollock? You know,

the Jackson Pollock. It's like, not a lot of

people know. It's like, OK, we're all adults

here. We know what it is. But, you know, the

fact that he said that at the theater, I'm like,

did he just, like, make a joke about, like, he's

having sex all over his ship? That's freaking

awesome. I love that. You know, the other thing

that. I talked about the comedy and the other

thing that obviously this movie did very well

that hit with a lot of people was the music and

the soundtrack obviously there's a main part

of it as well that kind of helped it kind of

Differentiate itself from what we had seen prior

in the comic book world and it just was a lot

of fun Dan I know you also had this in your extended

list. I think it was the number 15 So obviously

you're somewhat in agreement here of the the

merits of Guardians of the Galaxy Oh, yeah, definitely.

I I love galaxy gardens a galaxy. I even really

love gala gardening to the galaxy, too I think

ego is one of the best MC villains ever created

and people think it's a big stamp down I've seen

that a lot, but I think it's Nearly as strong

as the first film I'd maybe that the comedy isn't

as sharp but I was a huge fan of the Dan Amnett

and Landing run in Guardians of Galaxy, which

this kind of comes out of because there's different

versions of Guardians and Galaxy that are a lot

different characters, but even like, you know,

being a gun fan and seeing him utilize his style,

bringing people like Mickey, not Mickey Bork,

but, oh my goodness. The other Rourke, what's

his name? Rourke? Michael Rourke. Michael Rourke,

yeah, there you go. Michael Rourke. I thought

he's, you know, he was a lot of fun. One of the

best weapons in any MCU film. That was a great

scene. I think, you know, Maybe the weakest part

of it would be Ronan, but ultimately that's really

not what the movie is about It's about the guardians

themselves and who and I remember, you know being

kind of scared about being Batista Being in being

in this film, but he was you know, it was a breakout

role for him I mean tracks into a much more fun

character a better character I would argue then

he really is often in the comics. So yeah, that

was some expert directing too as well to make

But he's been to this the star that and he has

good time and i'm not trying to take anything

away but it was good directing and writing to

know what to do with him as well that you brought

up the last and some of the and michael rickard

what not is still to this day mary poppins y

'all is my maybe the loudest i've ever laughed

in a movie theater i lost my ever loving mind

on that moment and i was not expecting it. I'm

not I'm not the type of person that's gonna like

spit my drink out or popcorn out or whatever

But I I think I missed like the following ten

minutes after that Struck a chord with me. So

I will always appreciate it for that So Guardians

of Galaxy comes in at our number eight. Let's

move on to our number seven, which is also the

first time We're gonna see someone's number one

fall Which I'm surprised this didn't get a few

more votes I guess but the only people that had

it on their list was DJ and myself And that is

into the staying in the MCU with Captain America

Civil War Captain America Civil War out of the

different Captain America's that we could do

obviously there's first Avenger and Winter Soldier

etc, but we see Captain America Civil War here

at number 7 DJ. This was your number one This

was my number 10 and just missed probably being

on the other list I think this is a we're gonna

get into this again probably later on here as

well, but With some of these films that have

like multiple installments like you're gonna

have with Captain America or you know with Avengers

or different things like that. I'm wondering

if it's a Comes becomes a hard thing where you're

trying to pick one out of the group or where

you're trying to rank those and maybe some fall

because you Slightly like another film better

dan you just had this outside you had this at

number 11 Um, so dj why civil war number one

on your list? There is no I mean this this question

keeps I was on another show and they brought

it they asked me this question and Like it's

almost like a reflex act. I'm like Civil War

Civil War not even a thought when you brought

this question up the first one at Civil War not

even a question There is no comic book film that

not only gave me the best interpretation of my

favorite superhero spider -man gave me my first

pretty damn fantastic film introduction of Black

Panther and gave me the such a well -executed

gravitas of a third act than Captain America

Civil War. When I first watched it, the kid in

me really focused on that second act finale airport

battle because it's comics come to life essentially.

But as time has gone on since I've seen it, the

adults in me has come to appreciate that final

act of the film that it is. the purest MCU tragedy

of all of the MCU films. There is no MCU film

that has a more tragic moment and I am including

Infinity War than this movie. It's the little

things that most people miss or construe as just

action. Like, for example, the section in which

Iron Man has Bucky in a sleeper hold after he's

been revealed, spoiler alert for Captain America

Civil War, that Bucky killed Iron Man's parents

and Iron Man asked Bucky, Do you even remember

them referring to his parents? And Bucky responds,

I remember all of them. That bit is great because

Iron Man can't see Bucky's face. So when Bucky

says that, he thinks Bucky's bragging, but we

see Bucky's face and we know he's not. It haunts

him, and it just pisses off Iron Man more to

fight him and to kill him. And it's just these

little, little moments like that where Infinity

War was tragic because he lost all these heroes,

but it was this character that came out of nowhere.

These are two best friends breaking up, essentially,

that we've watched become friends, grow tight,

and realize that this fundamental thing is Reason

for them not to be together anymore. It has nothing

to do with the accords It's this and cap can't

turn one way and Iron Man can't turn the other

way everyone in this final act is perfect I think

the film glossed over people this gloss over.

Oh, this is the one with the airport fight That's

what everybody says and they don't really think

about that final act of the movie But it really

is the tragedy of these guys friendship come

to an understandable reason Understandable reasons

of why they wouldn't be people are you team cap

or you team Iron Man? It has all that stuff in

it it's kind of like their version of Revenge

of the Sith if it was done correctly or been

her, if you will, you know, with these two friends

that you want them to be friends, but this thing

gets in the middle of it. And I heard one person

say about Civil War that it's so good, it's suspicious.

And I highly agree with that sentiment. Civil

War will always, until, I mean, if any war in

another movie came very close, It's just that

that scene where my father gave you that shield

stuff like that and that got me that that emotional

Rage of a friendship breaking up is something

you don't get out of any other superhero movie

Like that because you know these you you know

Iron Man, you know, right? We've seen this guy

for 12 years. We know what Captain America is

it over a decade? The watch these two fall apart

is really really really good I mean bad, but

good to watch another interesting thing that

it accomplishes on that same line as on such

a large stage in a grand stage, you know, talking

about superheroes and things like that. But taking

something that can be so relatable to everybody

as far as, you know, we all had, you know, that

friend that you're friends with, you know, in

whatever grade school or middle school. And then

as you grow, you know, there's going to be that

that issue or that thing that that draws you

apart, whether it's a. you know philosophical

thing or whether it's just uh i'm interested

in that and you're now interested in and something

completely different and we're gonna go our different

paths like we can all relate to that on so many

various levels um that i think it was very clever

the way they did that and it's also something

that we hadn't seen much in comic book films

or superhero films up to this point which is

basically almost throw the villain out the window

and now turn your two heroes and make that conflict

between them the central focus and that is almost

the antagonist in a way he's pre Thanos he breaks

entire MCU with a videotape right that's worse

than a gauntlet he didn't have to do any physical

violence at all he just had to tell him the truth

imagine you're Tony Stark this is why I'm team

Iron Man and your father treated you like shit

for your entire life and idolizes this man who's

been hiding his killer that's that whole moment

where he goes don't bullshit me cap tell me that

moment where I think this is the best you're

going to see Robert Downey Jr. act and other

than maybe in endgame. It's that moment of re

because you never really see Iron Man or Tony

Stark angry. This is the only time and it's justified.

That's what makes it sad. It's like, oh, it's

not just a miscommunication. All the cards are

on the table. Captain America doesn't lie except

for this one time. And that's the time that Tony

Stark cannot believe you're lying about protecting

the guy that idolized you that he killed that

that whole thing that whole third act to me it

puts it always number one Matt I'm assuming that

this one just messed your list and funny enough

it was Definitely on the lot outside looking

and I think it was maybe in like maybe 21. They

didn't make and And maybe that's just me not

looking at it correctly. I mean, this is why

you bring both of us on. You have the high thinking

mammalian brain of DJ. And you have the lower

thinking reptilian brain of Matt. So this is

why you have both of us on, because we're so

dynamically different. The dynamic duo. The non

-dynamic duo. But this is one of the movies that

I did rewatch. But I rewatched all the cat movies.

uh pretty much everything kind of like from I

think Winter Soldier on we just Nicole and I

we just kind of marathon through and I remember

watching Civil War was like wow this this is

I mean it's it's a it's a fantastic movie and

to DJ's point the third act is what should hit

at home and but the first two acts while they're

they're fine they're good the fighting is okay

I mean I like the fact that they brought crossbones

back that was like kind of geeking out like yeah

crossbones but they kill them off of course but

oh wow. Um, but the third act which I should

be focusing on, you know, it is The it's a culmination

of let's say from the 1940s all the way up until

this movie the starks and rogers have been Intimately

connected from world war two all up until this

civil war And I guess when dj talks about what

he what he was just kind of expounding on a lot

of ways It makes sense. I mean, of course i'm

like, oh shit. I I must be a complete moron because

I don't understand comic book movies at all.

But it is like seeing the ultimate breakup of

a family relationship that's been built for 75

years or something like that. And I guess you

lose sight of that. And maybe potentially in

me making this list, I lost sight of that because

you have so many bombastic things. You have Ant

-Man becoming Giant Man. You have Black Panther,

which everybody was like losing their using the

shit over like, oh my god, Black Panther's finally

here. And then you kind of forget it's like,

oh yeah, Black Panther, his dad got killed too,

by the way, just in case anybody's wondering,

this is what kind of puts him into motion as

well too, just in case you're wondering. But

yeah, it's like the Captain America Iron Man

breakup movie that of course is, you know, fixed

after, you know, a bigger. Extra dimensional

extra galactic force comes into play But I don't

know why I kind of had this it could have been

something where I was like This isn't my favorite

Captain America movie or something like that.

I mean, that's why I kind of listen for me Yeah,

it was it was one of those I was fighting for

that tenth spot for me There was about four films

that were fighting 12 through 9 and this one

slotted in at number 10 Dan I know you're a huge

Captain America fan. So I'm sure you have no

problem with it get in some love here No, not

what none whatsoever this and This is probably

my number two uh marvel movie. It's in it's very

close to number one. Um, so it's i think it's

uh, I think if anything my number one's more

based upon enjoying the source material a bit

more like I think This is far better than the

comic books of a war especially in alias. It's

where it's where Yeah, it comes from it comes

from a similar place but the outcome and the

everything behind it is much more impactful and

much more meaningful than Uh where and the ending

too is great. Um As cj pointed out Uh, but yeah,

it's it's probably and it was technically not

an adventure film though. It kind of feels like

an adventure film Um, yeah, although and I think

that is what one of the benefits of a two is

that even though it is You have all these characters

event. It's still at the core of it. Uh Captain

america story even like the funeral sequence,

uh, how they kind of took that and actually took

uh repurposed something that was said to Captain

America and ever he said and utilized that within

Within the movie itself. I thought was kind of

a clever way of handling it. So Yeah, all right

about think about how a studio Probably 10 years

ago would never have this movie structured that

way. There is no way 10 years ago They have the

airport scene not be the finale. They didn't

do it for this one. That's what always another

thing that always makes me go Wow, they had carte

blanche to make this more intimate fight be the

final, not the big Ant -Man, Black Panther, Black

Widow fight to be the big thing. They gave their

audience the benefit of that and said, like,

I think our audience is a little bit smarter

than this. Also brought, you know, Spider -Man

to the MCU. So, yep. Oh, yeah, that guy. Absolutely.

All right. So let's go from one that was on DJ

and my list to one that was on Dan and Matt's

list at our number six. And that would be none

other than Scott Pilgrim versus the world Dan

you had this at number seven Matt You had a little

higher all the way up at number three. So I'll

let you start first Why Scott Pilgrim worthy

of being in the discussion? It's I mean, I guess

it's it kind of fall I don't want to say falls

into like that whole like blues warmest color

thing, but Indie comic Darling, you know people

who know about Scott Pilgrim know about Scott

Pilgrim. It's cute. It's quirky. It's funny.

It's weird but this was like the thing that Edgar

Wright was You know, he was he was already doing

his, you know, shot on the dead, you know, hot

fuzz, all that stuff that people kind of knew

from the from the what do you call that the whatever

trilogy, the ice cream trilogy or whatever it

is or not. Oh, thank you. The Coronado trilogy.

But then he takes the time to just make this

quirky little comic book movie that probably

would never have gotten made. Probably if like,

I don't know if hot fuzz or if like shot of the

dead weren't hits. And then suddenly Edgar Wright

is like the talk of the town is like, hey, what

do you want to do is like Oh Mike I want to do

a movie about this Canadian these Canadian folks,

you know, that's a horrible girl You're here

Edgar Wright is on the podcast. He's on the podcast.

You know some amazing impersonation surprise

guest Limited Edgar, right? but it's just such

a quirky and I know a lot of people again, this

is become one of those movie that's like a problematic

movie and it's I guess in this day and age where

it's like Scott Pilgrim is kind of a creep and

kind of a scumbag and horrible person and stuff

like that and a lot of the characters are kind

of insufferable and things like that, but just

bringing a comic book to life in injecting everything

I kind of like about pop culture and video games

and manga and anime and Everything about that

is like so instructured. So well, it's done so

it's done There's so many inside jokes. There's

so many things you can kind of kind of take in

and out of it Mary Elizabeth Wine said, I think

she's a freaking angel in this movie. I love

her so much, even though she's just, she's kind

of like the flighty girl that people are going

after. But, you know, it's a heartwarming story

about just a bunch of freaks and weirdos. And

it has Captain America in it, which is really

cool. And Superman. It's got Superman in too,

I forget about that. Captain Marvel's in there.

Captain Marvel, it's got every, well one day

we're just gonna talk about like, every movie

has had every - Has every superhero in it. Ever

in the history of that. But I don't know, just

something about it, it's just choreographed so

well and it's endearing, it's charming, it's

- Don't know I guess it brings it's something

I watch at least once or twice a year and it's

something that I can watch with My wife and we

both enjoyed a lot So it has kind of a soft spot

For me where the rewatch ability is very high

and I can always get something a little bit different

out of it every time I watch it Excellent interesting

to look at the half decade list Scott Pilgrim

was on the combined list number six That is obviously

where it was here as well, so it was number six

at both the half decade and at the entire decade

list of Dan. Obviously it made your list as well

at number seven, so what are your thoughts on

Scott Pilgrim? Scott Pilgrim's movie I think

I've enjoyed much more the more I've watched

it over and over again, especially you can really

see how well Edgar Wright's direction is when

it comes to utilizing a lot of the special effects

because this is a movie that is overwhelmed with

special effects. However, there's a lot of practical

elements to it, too, that make those special

effects work and make them integrated so they

feel like they're part of the world, which is

key for that movie to work. It's like a live

action video game in a way. It's super clever

and it's just really bombastic in that way. There's

so much energy throughout the entire film. I

don't think anyone else could have done it quite

like how it was made without it being Edgar Wright

and Michael Sarah, who I know gets a lot of complaints

for him playing the same character over and over

again. I do think he was great casting. He does

fit that part well and actually can pull the

action sequences and with Jason Schwartz, which

should be really awkward actually works. And

it's just it's a feast for the eyes just as you

look at it, like all the little things that are

there, all the visual gags, all the visual jokes,

all the Artistry that's that's at play and then

there's just a lot of great gasp watches was

mentioned like Chris Evans to spot Brandon Routh

it just it's really funny and It's kind of a

crazy movie that I'm surprised was ever made

Honestly compare, you know considering it's a

shame that it it was a huge bomb and didn't wasn't

successful whatsoever Because I think if it was

maybe we could have gotten more films that were

you know took took risks like that But unfortunately

just wasn't successful. So We really it was kind

of it's one of a kind because of it All right.

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already heard our ten through six which included

two extra films So we had Avengers Infinity War

X -Men days of future past blue is the warmest

color Dark Knight Rises Guardians of the Galaxy

Captain America Civil War and Scott Pilgrim versus

the world So it's time for our top five on our

combined list here starting off with the number

five going back into the MCU This film only appeared

on two lists, which this one might shock have

shocked me. This one and the next one are the

ones that shocked me the most that they only

appeared on two lists. So just on Matthew and

myself, we both had it at the same spot, actually.

And that would be Black Panther. It comes in

at number five. We both had it at number five.

So, Matt, I'll let you start. Why Black Panther

amongst all of the MCU films deserve in a spot

here? Again, I'm sure DJ can speak better this.

A decade ago, would you have ever have imagined

You know, in Black Panther, I mean, insert, I

mean, full disclosure, I mean, I never read Black

Panther. I mean, I read the I read the comic

book characters that I knew or maybe appealed

to me or maybe look like me in a lot of ways.

But there were a lot of people who read the crap

out of Black Panther, probably because he was

what an empty what alone African -American superhero

for a lot of people. And I don't, I hate to say

it made him a novelty, but I mean, unfortunately,

it probably did for a long time. But with good

writing, you know, good stories that kind of

led up to this, you know, coming out party in

Civil War. And then you got a full out Black

Panther movie that, I mean, I want to say it,

I won't say it changed the world, but it definitely

changed the direction of how we see, you know,

just not even it's even more about the it's not

even about the character it's more about the

cult culture you know seeing a different world

that people aren't used to and of course i mean

this was i don't want to say it was polarizing

but i mean ultimately you got the unfortunate

people that were like i can't believe this this

movie's too black for me because i heard i heard

that a lot i'm like holy shit i can't believe

i'm hearing something like this now i mean i'm

not surprised in the day and age we live in right

now but this was just create it was Cole it was

embracing a culture that people knew so little

about and showing the love and showing that yes,

this is a very important part of our world culture

and even from the beginning of the movie, it's

like Civilization started here. So it's like

a history lesson and in a lot of ways and You

know, it just turned out to be to be fantastic.

I would just say this is Black Panther was a

cultural comic book touchstone for a lot of people.

Again, directed by a director who a lot of people,

I mean, I don't want to compare it to James Gunn

or anything like that, but Ryan Coogler working

on stuff like Fruitville Station and then Creed.

And then it's like, we're trusting you to basically

unite a culture with one singular. The pressure.

Yeah. Here's the pressure. It's like, here it

is. You're going to do this. Here's Black Panther.

You're going to direct the first African -American

comic book superhero movie. Don't mess up. You're

fine. You know, it's like, don't worry. It's

not static shock or anything like that. You're

doing Black Panther. So it was something that

I think a lot of people would have never seen

in their life. And we got it. It was great. DJ

Thoughts? Again, you guys have me on the Wrestling

Podcast. Who do I love? I love I love the villains

like the heel like the heels and this Killmonger

until Thanos came around I think was up there

as one of the greatest heels I'm a movie history

because but is he a heel if that's the great

thing about him he has a great thing about he's

a heel because of his methods not because of

his madness he believes what he believes in is

correct you guys have let us die for centuries

You guys should help us. You know what? I'm going

to do it myself. I'm going to do it in this mean

way." But he was right. That's why Black Panther

implements his plan differently at the end. But

the best thing about it is he beats Black Panther

straight up. There is no cheating. There's no

nothing. Beats Black Panther straight up. Anyway,

on top of the cool comic book nerdy stuff, the

cultural phenomenon that Matt's talking about

is correct. And I remember when I first saw Creed,

Nobody was gonna I bookmarked this tweet. I was

like I want him to direct Black Panther I remember

saying I want Ryan Coogler to direct Black Panther

because I think one in terms of spectacle and

taking a property that's beloved and it's important

and not messing it up He took the pressure you're

talking about for Black Panther. He had to reboot

Rocky Rocky's pretty pretty big cultural phenomenon.

He did pretty good with that. So In the way he

did with Black Panther Black Panther is almost

not even a movie. It's almost like I just saying

it's it's It's more than that. It's a writing.

It's important and the fact that he Not only

made it enjoyable, but he still had to juggle

the MCU cultural significance First all this

stuff. It's great. I didn't have it on my list

because in terms of emotional pathos and stuff

like that it didn't me story wise, as much as

the other ones. But in terms of cultural phenomenon,

if we're doing a cultural phenomenon list, yeah,

it'd be really, really high on my list. All right,

you beat me to the question of why it was not

on your list so good job sir Let's move on to

our number four interesting here, you know, I

was talking about with Captain America that you

know There's obviously multiple Captain America

films. How do you separate them? I feel like

you have another situation here with our number

four However, this was number one at the half

decade on our combined list as well as on DJ's

list and my list It was number three on Dan's

list Only appears on two people's list this time.

Just DJ and myself. We're talking about Avengers

Not anything else not infinity or not end game.

No colts. No colon Just good old Avengers DJ

you had a number four like I said, so it comes

in at number four here on the combined list What

do you think? This is factual information. It's

the film that broke Hollywood It broke it. It's

the film that forced every studio to try. Let's

build our own cinematic universe. Dark universe,

DCEU. Now they're trying to do the bloodshot

universe or the Veniverse, whatever it's called.

It broke Hollywood. It still broke Hollywood.

And why? Because Marvel put the work in. They

didn't rush to get to 2012's Avengers. They made

you understand who these characters were first.

The real risk was seeing how these characters

we liked would get along. And when they do it,

it just feels like magic, pure cinematic magic

where you can't understand the trick, but you

know, you've seen something special. I told the

story. I told him billions of times on Twitter

everywhere. I took my baby sister to see Avengers.

She was like 14 years old and Matt knows my sister.

She's not in the comic book, sir. She has attention

span of like - I thought you said your babysitter

at first. I was like, that's weird. She's always

going to be my babysitter because I'm older than

John. My grown woman sister who was a baby at

the time. She was like 14 and I was like, whatever,

20 something. I know the story well, yes. She

has an attention span of like a, you know, the

fish from the Finding Nemo movie that I can't

remember. But yeah, I remember we watched the

movie and she doesn't say anything the entire

film and then there's that long shot, not the

circle shot, the long shot where Hulk and Thor

are on the thing and then they're going up and

she just leans over and whispers to me, this

is so cool. And I will remember that moment for

the rest of my life, for my sister to actually

be like enthralled by a movie where. To me, it

was just like I was walking through heaven. But

for it to affect her, somebody who has no connection

to anything comic book stuff, no connection to

anything other than through me and my silly ramblings,

to actually just be unstruck for two hours and

then have the... She doesn't say anything just

to whisper to me that it was cool. Avengers will

always have that place. It's almost like a polar

opposite for me of what you get with Guardians

of Galaxy because Guardians of Galaxy comes out

Nobody expects anything. Nobody has you know

thinks it's gonna work and and the success with

Avengers I mean we should make a top 10 list

at one point of like movies throughout time that

have had the most pressure or the most riding

on it Yeah, like Avengers would be a shoe in

on that list I don't know where it would fall

but it has to be towards the top like you have

put Everything into this you have done all these

solo movies This is supposed to catapult you

onto X number of more solo movies and more combo

movies, etc, etc But nobody knows if you can

pull off putting all these characters in a movie

sharing screen time having them together having

them apart and making it somehow work and not

feel like Just a gobbledygook like you got like

again with the Batman And was a Batman and Robin

that tried to throw like 700 characters into

that movie. Yeah, just ridiculous And that's

what could have happened in a way here. It could

have just felt like this jumbled mess and Avengers

knocked it out of the park. So that's why it

was so high on my list. I had a number two this

time. Number one at the half decade mark just

for what it accomplished, what it achieved. I

know there might be other MCU films that resonated

more to individual people, maybe more maybe other

MCU films that are technically a better film.

But for what this one had to accomplish and for

it to do it. with you know a lot of success and

I just think that there's something that goes

with that I think you know there was a lot riding

on it that could have changed if Avengers would

have not been as successful going through they

might have switched strategies they might have

you know curtailed things they might have gone

a different direction but Avengers worked it

also we talked about comic book villains and

for me Loki is still always going to be towards

the top of that list. I just think that he's

a lot of fun to deal with. Tom Hiddleston is

a great actor and I just like kind of how that

plays into everything and how it, you know, you

can't trust him, you can't trust him, you can't

trust him, you can trust him type thing and then

how that kind of all goes. So I. I'm surprised

that only two of us had Avengers, but again,

is this a thing where now since we've had Infinity

War and we've had Endgame and we've had all these

different installments, you could even throw,

you know, Captain America Civil War is almost

an Avengers film in there. Does it become a thing

where you're picking your favorite one and it

loses some ground? Because we had infinity wars

show up on one person's list. We had endgame

show up on one person's list. Nobody had age

of Ultron, but Under age of Ultron has his moments.

But yeah, I think Avengers is the first craft

to make take flight and you've seen like jets

and spaceships and stuff but Avengers none of

this would happen. There's no infinity war without

Avengers. There's no a lot of stuff without Avengers.

You're probably not getting comic book movies

the way we're getting without Avengers. There

are no cinematic universes. There are no hey

we're gonna make a solo a Star Wars story because

we want to make a Star Wars cinematic. There's

none of that without Avengers working. Dan this

one obviously was number what I said three on

your half decade list Just missed it. Obviously

here. I know it's still one that you appreciate

So what caused Avengers to just kind of slip

out of the top ten here? I do think it's what

happens is Avengers the second half is amazing,

but When you can feel like other other ventures

films and other mcu films have built upon what

it did and done in a more complete fashion Because

I do think the first first hour or so of avengers

is not as strong There are some good character

moments, but some of the like the very opening

I don't it's kind of weird with like the loki

coming into the field base like I think that

compared to like worthy for something like, you

know civil war or Even some of the other avenger

movies like infinity war That they had more of

an emotional beat to it as well. Um Again, though

like dj mentioned that the the act when the invasion

actually starts Like that was some of the most

fun i've had this decade in a theater And I think

it was only top when you know with other other

avengers films seeing you know Seeing people

clap and cheer and yell and scream. Um, and like

if avengers isn't what it is if it isn't as successful

as is it was and as good as it was who knows

where The movies would have gone. Um, but again,

I still love that movie. It's just I think Where

we've gotten to like the other avengers films,

I guess as you mentioned would not have be able

to do what they're doing but Like they should

they're evolving and becoming better. So that's

why I just didn't make my my top 10 fair enough

All right, let's move on to our number three

pick This was the second film that was on three

people's lists. So I'm the only bad guy here

that didn't have this one listed But I have specific

reasons for that We already saw DJ's number one

fall. So let's have Dan and Matt's number one

fall And it was DJ's number six. So we're going

with spider -man into the spider -verse at our

number three pick here So just recapping DJ number

six Dan and Matt both number one DJ I let you

go first and then we'll let the two guys I had

at the top of their list wax poetic What did

you think of spider -man spider -verse and why

this high so I mean everybody I mean every time

I talk comic books of people something comes

around who is your favorite character and it's

always spider -man it's always gonna be spider

-man and Spider -man into the spider -verse serves

as a true love letter to spider -man in all of

his forms made by people who understand how cool

and important Spider -Man really is, where Supes

and Batsy are gods, almost. Spidey is us. He

has powers, but he has problems we can relate

to, which is true for Miles and Peter. That suit

is the respite to those problems. That suit gives

him the power to do what is beneficial for, not

for himself, but for others, to do what's right.

This movie is a great in the fact that it could

make 40 of them. And I wouldn't think is enough

because it's just under the fact when you watch

a movie, let's say a Fantastic Four movie where

they don't get character. And then you watch

a movie where just from the word go, oh, they

these guys did their work. They did the homework.

They put the work in us for the first five minutes.

I know I'm in good hands. And that's how I felt

when the first act of in a spider verse, when

I'm seeing Spider Nick cage is spider -man the

war come in or whatever and or or spider -ham

once I saw spider -ham I'm like, okay, that's

it. That's it. This movie is There is no way

they they they slept walked in when they wrote

this script to have spider -ham in this there's

they had to put the work in and this movie puts

work and it has A really good story miles morales

is one of the only characters in comic books

that jump universes from the ultimate universe

to the 616 universe And the fact that he's such

a compelling character, his story is so good.

And usually there's always replacement heroes

where, oh, I want the new version of this guy.

Miles is not that, but he's also his own person.

This movie is just great. I remember when I watched

it in theater and the animation. people were

freaking out because they couldn't understand

the the stop -motion kind of effects of what

they were doing and there was even a method to

the madness of that where spider -man is the

his effect is at 24 frames a second and Miles

is at 16 because he's not at he's gonna look

janky because he does not do spider -man yet

just the homework they put into this movie is

so good so much so spider -man in the spider

-verse was it's hard to put it lower than than

than five for me but it's it's up there Dan obviously

we talked about this one a little bit during

the animated segment of our countdown and it

appeared on three of the four people's list there

as well. Why Spider -Man Into the Spider -Verse

number one for comic book films for you. I think

it just stands out amongst the crowd for a number

of different things and I don't think there's

a movie that we watch more than Spider -Man Into

the Spider -Verse because my son loves it and

I've listened to the soundtrack so many times.

and watch it so many times and despite the fact

that i've watched it i still actually really

enjoy it and i still find myself becoming invested

and seeing little different visual gags here

and there of what they did and To me it's it's

i hate the term perfect movie because i don't

know what that means but to me it's as close

as a perfect movie That i could could think of

because it does everything You want to and then

some and it's not you have a great miles miles

story that if you even would take out everything

else that's in the film that's really strong

enough for it to stand on its own but then you're

able to add all these other factors even peter

parker story itself is. No he's well rounded

you when cece's character you know that you have

all these different facets that all work really

well the animation is i think is mind blowing

me amazing and. Hopefully will kind of show what

we can do with animation and push push the medium

forward So I think what this benefits from is

not only does it a whole high bar for the world

of comic book films and superhero films but also

animated films because I think it it does it

Exceeds what came before it in both areas and

in a lot of ways the voice casting is really

strong as well and they're not they're not You

know the most obvious choices, you know for those

characters either Love that. It's it's willing

to kind of look weird. It's willing to have Kingpin

look, you know completely not human with like

gigantic shoulders and a small head but it works

because of this how it's stylized and I I think

too I think this is gonna be maybe Perhaps maybe

only Black Panther a subtle film for I think

a lot of kids and this is gonna have one of those

films that has more of an impact even as decades

go on I'm where you know miles morales is going

to be in the same level as a character is peter

parker for you know i the generation that is

that is growing up now which is something that

wasn't the case you know kids because the characters

only been around for about a decade or so now

they're going to be on the same path and can

i showing that anyone can be underneath the mask

is i think the type of thing that is perfect

for this time but really anytime and it's something

that's kind of fit the character as well because

there's been Um, you know classic peter, uh spider

-man stories that i've touched upon that in a

way. Um, and then also I think perhaps the best

stanley Uh, one of the best stanley moments,

um, and very timely as well because it came out

right around his passing So that's why it was

my number one. It's it's it It's the one I felt

the most comfortable with like it was really

like I said with like captain america civil war

and winter soldier They're so close, but they're

also You know, they feel very similar in a way

where there's nothing quite like into the spider

-verse so that's why it was kind of easy to put

it for number one for me because of just how

Special it is compared to everything else in

the genre makes sense makes sense Matt. You also

headed at number one So I assume you echo most

of those sentiments. Yeah, most of them I mean

I guess also to to Dan's point, you know his

his son like his son loves the movie and this

is kind of brings it into a DJ's point about

the Avengers a little bit too where I can watch

a movie with my wife, you know, a comic book

movies. We watch a lot of movies. You won't watch

horror, but no, that's another thing altogether.

But her coming out of the movie, I mean, this

is probably more based on my excitement to show

her because I mean, I get off and I get off on

a lot of things, but I get off on the idea that

I can use my my my geek knowledge and your knowledge

when. Nicole, my wife, she asked me questions

about after things after the fact, like, Oh,

so who's my house? Why is he around? Why is this?

Well, who's the kingpin? Who's this? And the

fact that so many things were shot her way and

she retained everything in that film and a film

that very much like Scott, there must be a reason

why Scott Pilgrim was my number three in Spider

-Man Into the Spider -Verse is my number one

because I like bombastic. I like things that

are just coming at me and I can't even control

my brain because there's so many synapses firing

off. But her asking me all these questions, genuinely,

lovingly interested in what kind of went on with

Miles Morales and, you know, looking over and

seeing her like, you know, the whole thing with,

you know, his uncle with the prowler. And even

when, you know, Peter Parker says like, no kid,

you can't do this. And he webs him up and it's

like, it's a heartbreaking scene. And I see her

like kind of like crying. I'm like, oh, I get

that. I get where it's like in life people tell

you you can't do things You can't do things and

for so long everybody always said you can't do

a miles where alice a spider -man movie He's

black or he's mixed race spider -man's white

forever. It's like no he's not white spider -man

to Dan's point again spider -man is anybody who

wants to get up and take a stand against things

that aren't right in the world and that's why

you have so many different people who have written

spider -man over the course of his 60 years I

guess over 60 years of being a comic book character

and That just brings home and so many like special

different different ways and aside from it just

being a extremely entertaining animated film

and you know was Chris Miller and Phil Lord being

kind of like the harbingers of like we're gonna

make this film and we're gonna make this the

spider -man for everybody film because for so

long every film has been tribal. It's like, this

movie's for me, this movie's for me. It's like,

no, this movie is for every person who enjoys

characters and people that, you know, they don't

exist, but you can attain or you can grow to

maybe be that person or be that person in your

own way. So I'm getting like emotional about

this but I'm also I'm sorry Good so spider -man

into the spider -verse is our number three. Let's

move on to our number two Hey, we haven't heard

from the DC universe for a while. No, I'm just

kidding. There's no DC films left All right number

two we're down to the top two films which are

also the two films that were on all four of our

lists So for our number three pick we had spider

-man into the spider verse that was both Dan

and Matt's number one So for our number two pick

let's go to Dan and Matt's number two And that

is back to the world of Captain America this

time with the Winter Soldier So Captain America

Winter Soldier comes in at number two. It was

also number two at the half decade mark Dan,

again, I know you are, like I said, a huge Captain

America fan. I don't know if that's your favorite

superhero, but I believe it's up there if it's

not. So why Winter Soldier a little bit more

than maybe Civil War? And are you happy that

it came in here at number two? Yeah, so Captain

America is probably my favorite superhero. And

like I mentioned, it's probably one of my personal

list, because Winter Soldier, that storyline

is one of my all time favorites. And it kind

of got me back into reading comics when it first

came out, because I Every breaker son phillips

who did it it's utilization of like history and

kind of diving into the the psyche of captain

america What was it it showed how well rounded

a character cap can be outside of this kind of

this political or kind of a hyper realized Boy

scout type of hero it showed he's there's much

more depth to him And utilizing doing what was

at that time considered kind of sacrilegious

bringing back Bucky who was like the one character

that stayed dead in comics and but it ended up

working and I thought this took it was this is

very different than that story It doesn't delve

as much into the the world war two aspect of

the character. Some of the characters have changed

But it got that that core correct that that that

relationship between Captain America and Bucky

and how it drives Really kind of Captain America's

actions To me, Captain America, what makes him

an interesting character is that he morally does

the right thing. His ideology is not tied to

a country, it's not tied to a political stance,

it's what he believes is right. So the best thing

you can do to make him even more interesting

is giving him a situation where there's no clean

cut right or wrong answer, where things are complicated.

Or maybe he has to take what's considered the

wrong choice for the right reason which I thought

winter soldier did and did very effectively uh,

and made winter soldier himself into even kind

of a terminator ass type of character and probably

has my favorite action scenes within the mcu

the the The bridge fight, you know between and

what unfolds. It's fantastic. Uh, even like the

reveal two of hydra was huge. I thought that

was it Added so much to that film when the previous

films and what was to come within within the

MCU which was Kind of tied into similar Captain

America. That was more taken from a different

story, but I thought that was a really smart

move I love the relationship between I'll see

Rogers and Black Widow and I thought it actually

made Black Widow into a better round rounded

character to kind of see and give and give scholar

Johansson like wouldn't when that movie when

that came out I was like that's To me the first

signs of seeing yeah, they definitely should

do a black with a movie eventually. Maybe we'll

see one day. Hopefully don't come out sometimes,

but But yeah, so there that's again like i think

civil war, uh, as dj mentioned you could probably

say there's a much more emotional Um and ending

to that and there's a lot more at stake compared

to maybe winter soldier with the weather winter

soldiers end and ending is a little bit more

bombastic There you know it's kind of maybe too

big in a way where someone with the opposite

route. And so that that might make me drop it

down a few pegs but also brought back what's

my old time favorite captain america uniform

within the movies itself got rid of that awful

one from the avengers. I was a fan of and also

again this introducing. Falcon and that relationship

and how that on your left thing eventually comes

back. into the future Avengers films, but I don't

know. To me, it just, it made Captain America

into one of the best MCU characters, which, you

know, I love the first Avengers. I think it's

a really good movie, but this to me, it just

set a new bar from the opening sequence on the

ship. That one was fantastic, and it just kind

of just exceeded from there. And George St. Pierre

makes an appearance. DJ, what do you think of

Winter Soldier being at number two? It was my

number five. So the MCU, this movie came out,

I think was fine. We're like post Avengers. But

Winter Soldier, as Dan's saying, when it came

out, it was this film that really showed that

comic book films had longer legs than probably

most people thought. with the adoption of a genre

with a superhero sheen on top of it. I know Nolan

did it with the Dark Knight, but this kind of

showed that, oh, that wasn't a one trick thing.

You could do it with spies. As I said before,

you can do with Ant -Man, they use it with criminals,

the heist movies, stuff like that. And this movie

to me is not my number one. but I think it's

nearly a perfect movie. There's nothing I can

really pull. I mean, I guess the, the, the climax

with the, the, the hella cares. Some people crap

on, but I, I think it's more than that. I always

lean toward the emotional stuff. The I'm with

you cap to the end of the line stuff. And as

Dan had hinted at and is very, the most accurate

depiction I've ever heard. Lucky Barnes Winter

Soldier is the best Terminator you'll you've

seen since the t -1000 and yes to this day the

best Terminator you've ever seen it was the first

time in a movie where the villains get my oh

my god, I don't know He's gonna kill them. I

because he was so unstoppable and I remember

a friend of mine or somebody I talked to before

it said that Bucky is better at killing people

than Cap is at protecting them. That's what makes

him dangerous. So it's like Bucky might not be

as strong as Cap, but he's so, there is no hesitation.

And so that fight on the bridge where every move

Bucky makes is he's pulling a weapon. It's so

fantastic. And this is my favorite portrayal

until this Black Widow movie that I keep hearing

rumors about ever comes out. This is my favorite

Black Widow performance. This is my favorite

version of Scarlett Johansson where she, is a

sphinx until the scene where Cap is like, just

stop lying to me. That part, when she confesses

who the Winter Soldier is, I just love how Scarlett

plays that role in this movie. Every other time,

she's kind of like pushed to the side. But to

me here, the moments that she has with Steve,

and it's not even a, they kind of do a little

hint to the romantic thing, but it's not that.

I don't think Cap and Black Widow have that.

It's more like a brother -sister mutual respect

thing. And the way they're having a conversation

in Sam's house, and would you trust me to make

that decision? I trust you now. That stuff right

there, that stuff was what makes Winter Soldier,

to me, very within the score. Henry Jackman,

we keep talking about this guy. The score for

Captain America, Winter Soldier, is fan -friggin'

-tastic. I don't know which one I prefer more,

this one or his first class score. It's fantastic.

The music where Cap is escaping the Triskelion,

It's amazing. I would put it up there with any

MCU score I've heard. All right, Matt, quick

thoughts on Winter Soldier before we get to our

reveal of our number one. The fact that this

was coming out off of like the Avengers, but

the Avengers for me, it didn't make my list because

of the lack of stakes. I'm big on films where

I can go and go into a film thinking like, wow,

anything could happen. It's like, you're not

going to kill any of your big heroes in Avengers.

Give me a break. Good guys are going to win.

This one, to everybody's point about just Bucky

being the Terminator where it's like, wow, this

guy will kill anybody and can and has the ability

to do that. And there's literal like, wow, this

has got me on the edge of my seat. This is a

spy thriller that I don't really know what's

gonna happen. And it gets you emotionally invested

in both. Because you feel this pity and sympathy

for Bucky the entire time. Like this guy's obviously

being controlled from a higher power. You have

his best friend who wants so damn hard to do

whatever he can to protect him. And he doesn't

want to make the ultimate choice. And sometimes

he almost has to. But the fact that a movie like

this can have stakes and it's so well -crafted

and it showed you that the Russo brothers knew

what the hell they were doing. And the fact that

Kevin Feige and the whole MCU Godhead was like,

you're the guys, you brothers, you guys who directed

an episode of Community with Paintball Guns.

Welcome to Collinwood. Here you go. Here are

the keys. Are going to be the Sherpas to get

us to the very, very top of the entire universe

is also an interesting concept to me too. But

yeah. Good good great reveals. I mean the swerves

left and right and everything hydra being revealed.

It's like the they're not dead. They're still

here. It's everything about that movie. Just

it's That's why it's number two for me. It's

so damn good. It's so exciting. I love it So

staying at that number two spot halfway point

and at the full decade point So that is DJ Dan

and Matt's number ones have all been picked Dan

myself and Matt all of our number twos are off

the board. Everybody's number three is off the

board So what does that leave left for our number

one overall is on all four of our lists DJ any

guesses? I hope it's my number two. It is. Oh,

thank God Logan Logan comes in here DJs number

two Dan's number six Matt number four my number

one So DJ will let you start why Logan? There

have been we've talked about the many films out

there that have tried to deconstruct the superhero

I think Logan is the one film that does it right

while still showing respect to the character

This was the first and like he last film gloves

are off on the character Wolverine, but it It's

high on my list because of the surprisingly fantastic

performance and arc of Patrick Stewart's Charles

Xavier not surprising because I didn't think

he could do it Just because I didn't expect it

going in I thought this was all this is gonna

be the Logan show But they took a big facet of

the old Logan comic book Storyline and put it

on Xavier having for alert him be the one responsible

killing all the X -Men on accident, that the

tragedy of that, a man who has dedicated all

these movies since 2000, his life for peace and

mutant kind, unable to stop himself from eradicating

that same dream. On top of that, we get this

father and son relationship between Xavier and

Logan, which is like. Reminded me of this French

film called Amor. It's just very sad and depressing

because it's like he's doting on his father Xavier

is essentially the closest things out to a dad

and then on top of that you get this unapologetic

father and daughter a story with Logan and x23

I mean the film the film is just so brutal and

intense the actor sequences are directed like

It was like a Western 310 to Yuma by the guy

who directed 310 to Yuma. I mean and We could

talk about like you might make a list of the

top 10 best comic book moments in a movie and

the final shot of this film is one of those best

comic book movie moments I say that because there

is no dialogue The moving of the cross to form

an X got an audible response from me, everyone

in the theater. It is the one movie or the first,

I guess you can count it in game, but it was

the first comic movie where I like, I don't want

to say I was bawling my eyes out, but tears were

running on my face, especially the Xavier, the

Xavier confession scene on the bed when he's

just talking or I had a good day. This is the,

I don't deserve this. That was heart wrenching.

the ending it's it's so well done and you can

just tell that Mangold and Jackman and Stewart

left it all on the field for this movie Absolutely,

Matt. What are your thoughts on Logan being our

number one? I mean having it in my in my top

five having it in my in my number four and it's

funny the kind of the difference that man gold

made between making the wolverine and then logan

because a lot of people shit on the wolverine

i like the wolverine personally because i like

i like having logan in in japan i think it's

an interesting comic arc and i was always a big

fan of that because i think uh correct me if

i'm if i'm wrong damn that was frank miller who

did that uh story yeah yeah that was so but i'm

a huge frank miller fan i'm a mark for him because

i think he is Just unapologetic himself, even

though he probably says a lot of dumb things,

but I still like his work. But Logan from beginning

to end, it transcends. I mean, yes, it's comic

book characters doing comic book things. But

this brings me to the whole thing of the very

first X -Men movie by Bryan Singer. It has always

been about Wolverine. Wolverine has been the

epicenter of the X -Men universe from the beginning.

And then basically making this film in a dystopian

future where all the X -Men have been killed

by the one person who swore to save them. And

also just he doesn't have a memory of it happening

too, which is even tragic. The fact that the

greatest mind in mutant kind has Alzheimer's

and can't control his powers is pretty bleak.

That's a very bleak future I would never want

to want to live in as well. And you have Logan

who's given up Given up the life and chosen to

be a a chauffeur for his father in a lot of ways

and it's just It's done. It's rugged. It's gory.

It's There's so many things about it that you

know, you still get comic book fans can still

sink their teeth into all the comic book aspects

but a lot to dj's point is this humanity behind

The the characters where you strip away all the

powers you strip away Suits the costumes this

and that you strip away the adamantium and the

mutant power psychic powers and you just have

these People which they I mean they weren't unfortunately

weren't they weren't born people they were born

special a lot of ways But it's a very very human

story in I mean I will say this where DJ was

shedding a tear with the X thing. I Was groaning

at the end of that I mean, I don't know. I'm

just of course. This is me being you know an

asshole probably about the whole thing I'm like,

oh, of course. They put it access. He's an axe

man. I'm like It bothers me a little bit but

everything up until and even that end is still

very Like it's it's it's so well made the whole

film for the whole thing. I can look past something

That's like okay. I get he's an x -man. But the

film is just I don't know it's to just point

again the deconstruction of the uh of the x -man

or the x -man x -woman whatever you want one

of the habit to be is uh pretty pretty incredible

to behold i had never seen it i was like why

why would you make this movie it's very bleak

it's like because we have to make a movie like

this this is this is a swan song of these characters

you've been watching for 20 years you know i

think that's what it boils down for me you know

patrick stewart and hugh jackman are acting royalty

in my book And like there, this is like the perfect

way for them both simultaneously to put exclamation

points on characters that they've played for

decades, it seems like. And it's just done so

well that the emotional, the emotional cord that

runs throughout this film for me is what puts

it at my number one. I had more of an emotional

reaction to this one than I probably had anything

else that we've talked about today. Dan, any

surprise that Logan shows up here at the number

one spot? Yeah, most price is number one. I thought

it'd be top five for sure but I Don't have that

much argument against it. Obviously it wasn't

my top five. I do really like it as well It's

weird because I never really considered it necessarily

a deconstruction of the comic book genres appear

genre But I guess you could certainly make that

make that argument. Maybe that's why it's a successful

one But too I mean it's obvious as it's you know

in the film itself, but clearly like a huge reference

point is something like Shane And you know it

being kind of a neo -western in a way and again

as i talked about it with uh x -men these future

past one of my favorite things about the x -men

film since the very beginning is there the dynamics

of the characters and the strength of the performances

and what with it and i don't think you can do

logan with other without having Those you know

literally decades of years for those characters

to build that relationship i give logan was the

only film. Right i don't know if it would be

a strong not to take anything away from it but

showing that there are also. Some benefits to

having some sort of franchise like there's people

complain about that and think there's some legitimacy

to it but it also can lead to something as impactful

as as logan and i thought you know. I know it

was I believe it was on many different Oscar

for best screenplay And remember that that being

kind of a surprise, but we're really hoping that

you know pound I thought Patrick Stewart for

certainly was Oscar worthy within that role and

certainly deserved it I mean in that even though

it's a more than like someone like well You know

some people played the Joker in the recent past,

but I thought there was more There's more to

that character Charles Xavier and FNA just More

later I'd say in the tragedy of him and kind

of like the in you know, how he's playing this

kind of Man was gone insane and trying to cap,

you know the guilt he has I know I just feel

like there's so much To the direction they took

him. I want you to decide I love the changing

of the you know, slowly just tilting the cross

into an axe I can't get it because i just thought

they did it. It makes sense again being a comic

book film and how it was done and why who did

it i think it also kind of slow fires that relationship.

I'm always always been that character that so

for some reason always tricks up relationships

with younger girls and it making it not being

creepy and actually working with you know rogue

in the first x -men film and. You know extra

x -23 here, although technically she kind of

his daughter. I guess you could argue with but

yeah, it's it was I remember when we the trailer

came out and was like the What song was it? I

can think of it Johnny Cash hurt Yeah, and it

is it's very much like a Johnny Cash song lived

through the superhero world. So Surprises number

one considering like it's you know a much different

film compared to what we are typically getting

in with the superhero genre. But I think you

can make a lot of argument that it's deserving

of it. And I think a good representation of what

you can do when you have great actors and a director

who believes in the property. Absolutely. All

right. We're going to give everybody a quick

chance just to highlight some of the films that

were on their individual list that didn't make

the top 10. And then we'll wrap this show up.

So, DJ, for you, we're talking about Wonder Woman,

Deadpool and Dread. What do you think about those

and why did they make your list? Bread was my

highest of those three because Stallone murdered

the first one then Carl Urban comes around not

a good way and Then Carl Urban comes around and

goes this is how you do it man. This is how you

Honor a character understand a character. You

don't take the helmet off. And again, like I

tell you all the time I love the baddies and

Lena Headley's mom mama is so good And so understand

she doesn't do a lot of crazy stuff is just that

she does crazy stuff but i mean it's just a perfect

foil to him and a lot of people say oh dreaded

he doesn't really have a character and i think

that's the point he is just the embodiment of

the law. Anderson is our avatar into that role.

So I love Dread. Deadpool is Deadpool. There's

no other actor other than Hugh Jackman or maybe

RDJ that was born to play a role other than Ryan

Reynolds playing Deadpool. Deadpool essentially

is the pendulum swing away from X -Men Origins

Wolverine to where you have the entirely the

worst version of a character to the best version

of the character wrapped up in a very, very,

very great Romantic subplot or not even subplot.

It's the plot of the movie. It's probably why

I don't like Deadpool 2 as much because they

abandoned that the Marine Bracken and Ryan Reynolds

relationship is fantastic and Wonder Woman you

can just copy and paste everything I said about

Guardians of the Galaxy because nobody thought

it would work Me most of all, Gal Gadot, I was

pissed off when they cast her and she's not only

the probably the best cast person in the DCEU.

She is like one of the greatest ambassadors for

that character. And it's the only shining light

that DCEU have is Wonder Woman for me. Wonder

Woman was the only film that did not make the

combined list that was on two people's list,

because I also had it at number nine. It was

the DC's other best chance at getting in there.

So we chance Some films on your list that didn't

make the overall list we had dr. Strange spider

-man homecoming and kick -ass any thoughts on

any of those I like kick -ass because it's just

weird and it's off the wall and It's another

one of these it's it's a superhero film in the

idea that there's people that are dressed up

as comic book characters, but there's nothing

super about any of them and I also just like

I like Mark Millar a lot because he is a He just

creates horribly grotesque situations that I

think are amazing in the in the same way of like

a Garth Ennis or anybody else or Anybody who's

kind of from the UK who just is like well, I'm

gonna make weird stuff. So hope you guys enjoy

this Spider -man homecoming was my spider -man

second spider -man thing. I mean, it's it I don't

know Tom Holland was born to make it and it has

Batman playing the vulture, which I think is

poetic in a lot of ways and I don't know it's

it's a lot of fun and Dr. Strange I like I mean,

I'm definitely I guarantee I'm probably in the

minority on that but Ben in the combat cummerbatching

embodies everything I would want a doctor strange

he's in Asshole in the beginning and then turns

into a superhero and the ending of it with the

whole of using the time gem Is is so wonderful

and I get so much joy about watching that last

about 15 minutes of the film where he's just

playing games with Doramo I Have it's probably

one of my top three DC not DC MCU moments ever

in the history of the MCU just that one thing

going back with an almighty almighty entity of

the universe and you being a guy who just happens

to master the mystic arts and have the The time

gem and do that. It's clever. It's done. Well,

and it also Begs the question of where we're

gonna get Baron Baron Mordo down the line, which

I love Baron Mordo I think everything about that

movie is just really good and it's fun I lied

Wonder Woman and kick ass both were on two people's

lesson didn't make the list because kick ass

was also on Dan's Kick ass and dread both made

the half decade list so we did give them some

more love at that point Real quick before you

give yours Dan the ones that were on my list

that didn't make it There was really only two

Wonder Woman and Avengers endgame. I really thought

about Thor Ragnarok That one came close And Deadpool

was really close and then I just gave a brief

moment just because personally I like the two

films but Kingsman the Secret Service and Amazing

spider -man just the first one if we could ignore

everybody's hate for the other one. I like the

first one because I like Garfield as that character,

but those are the ones that I thought about Dan

you had some on yours as well. We have death

of Stalin edge of tomorrow Snowpiercer and kick

-ass thoughts on any of those Yeah i think i

can guys again is one of the films i feel like

is better than the source material even though

i do enjoy the source material you know i just

want we talked a lot about in the sci fi lists

again it's just that movie just. Pure underrated

adrenaline and just a great concept that's executed

brilliantly at the death of stolen is a comic

i like what movies you know fantastic obviously

i'm coming from people that is v and. I'm in

the loop it's just great dark circle humor and

again showing what you can do with the comic

book genre dealing with. I'm with one of the

most chaotic. What's in recent you know in your

history with the last century. And some of the

camera my top 20 I know we were kind of thunking

on the TCEU or whatever we call it and rightfully

so but I did also really like outside of Wonder

Woman. I did really like Shazam. You don't want

to get hit by lightning. It's understandable.

I know I don't know why I can't say that word,

but. I did really like that, especially kind

of how that to me has one of the darker moments.

You know we talked about the. know Batman vs

Superman and how dark that is To me that has

a dark moment that actually works in the right

way And yeah in X -Men first class we talked

a lot about days of future past My X -Men film

that was on my top 10 was first class And I actually

did mention this it was on Twitter last night

talking about the the final moment with the coin

Which is such a fantastic film. I imagine the

Magneto theme It has, to me, one of my favorite

moments. One of my favorites in that is actually

halfway through it, where Charles Xavier and

Magneto have this really small intimate moment

where all he does is help Magneto, Eric, to move

a satellite, kind of finding that perfect moment

of zen. And Fastbender kills it. It's just a

focus on his face. And it just sells it completely.

And to me, that's the core of that Movie in what

will what makes that ending so tragic and then

and seeing that that relationship further Kind

of devolve in days of future past again, which

is why I love the action films and you know There

are some issues with first class, you know, like

how Darwin is is taken out I think is not a great

not a great thing but the sequence up to that

how the use a Israel's power to anyways, I can

talk about the movie all day. It's kind of basically

James Bond movie um as well um so i do really

love first class um but yeah so i think we're

gonna mention all the all the movies yeah you're

gonna mention the uh magneto in the in the bar

scene oh yeah that's a fantastic moment too that

brings me a lot of joy because personally gives

me a lot of joy i'm like yes finally Full transparency,

if Edge of Tomorrow and Snowpiercer had not appeared

on my list for the last episode, they would have

appeared here. So that would have probably booted

out Wonder Woman and Captain America Civil War

off of my list for those two. So I just kept

them off since I had just talked about them on

the last list, but I'm definitely in favor of

those as well. So there's a lot of good comic

book films to talk about, to go watch, to review

from the last decade. I don't think anybody can

argue that it was probably the best decade. That

we've ever had when it comes to comic book films

Unless I'm just being blind to some other decade.

I that's not a question, right? Last decade.

I think you're right These were pretty good.

They had the Punisher and stuff. I'll stop it.

Stop it. I have a Nick Ferry movie in there.

It's right now Just review our top five there

that came after the break That was Black Panther

Avengers spider -man into the spider -verse Captain

America Winter Soldier and Logan So you'll have

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