Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III Review

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194 of the cinema geeks I am one of your cinema

geeks optimus solo and joining me today is Movie

revolt Dan. Hello. Hello And we are back to talk

about more Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles So we've

already given you episodes on the original live

-action movie and the sequel the secret of the

ooze So today we are discussing Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles 3 and there is no like tag Don't

believe it's just Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

3. That's all the posters I believe we're advertising

in the turtles are back dot dot dot in time So

this is a 1993 superhero film and it was Released

in March of that year. This is the third movie

and it had a budget of 21 million made about

54 So I guess it was somewhat of a success directed

and written by Stuart Gillard. Based on obviously

the characters from Eastman and layered and Dan

what is your history with Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles 3. So I know last week we talked about

how I remember as a kid watching this and not

really liking it and remember I thought I didn't

even think this was released in theaters but

clearly I was wrong it did so I just saw it on

VHS so that was I think that first and only time

I ever watched it so it was. It's been nearly

thirty years since i have seen this so i was

interested to go back to see how much i memory

serves and there are there's a good amount i

remember but there's a lot that i really completely

forgot. Yeah this is the one the first of the

movies i did not see in theaters so i must have

caught up with this at some point on vhs and

i believe i'd only seen it one time until now

and. Probably should have left it at that one

time spoiler alert but. Let's start with some

casting discussion and then we'll get into the

actual film so we see page turco return as april

anneal she was april anneal in the second movie

as well we see alias kodius who is casey jones

in the first one who wasn't in the second one

now comes back and plays dual roles as casey

jones and wit. Then we have a few other I won't

get into all the other Human actors that are

in here because there's a lot of them But as

far as the main turtles go Brian Tochi and Robbie

wrist return as the voice of Leonardo and Michelangelo

They played the voice in all three films. We

have our third I believe our third different

Raphael in this one and then they brought Corey

Feldman back He was in the first movie. He comes

back to voice Donatello in the third film And

other than that we have James Murray as Splinter

and a couple other changes that will I'm sure

talk about is Jim Henson Company is out for this

one. They were heavily involved in the first

two films and they are not involved in this film.

It was a different special effects company altogether.

So any comments on the casting, the voices, the

special effects to start with? Definitely think

you noticed the lack of Jim Henson. I think if

anything that is very very apparent very quickly

I mentioned last week. We talked about Paige

Turco as April. I thought she was kind of nothing

in that role I thought like here she actually

got some things to do I thought she I didn't

realize she was one that went back in time I

completely forgot about that part and I was I

thought she did much better in this in the previous

film and overall I thought The casting had a

good amount of solid the character actors in

some of those smaller roles even like john elliwood

who is you know just one of the random henchmen

guys who keeps getting wet wheelies and stuff

like that so i love the cast itself when it comes

to like. Classically trained actors was much

better than i remembered him being you know i'm

not gonna say this is gonna oscar winning per

se but there's some there's some good competent

actors in some of the some of the bigger roles.

Yeah, I agree with that. I was happy to see Elias

Cody has come back I love Casey Jones the first

one, but I will say that I I don't know He just

like is Stuck with Splinter the like have Splinter

and Casey Jones in this but they're not really

in it Like I don't know like what was the point

I guess and having him come back I guess he's

gonna be Splinter's bodyguard for a little while

but so that was kind of weird like I like that

he was back, but he was nowhere near as You know

captivating or Didn't bring what I thought he

brought in the first film not his fault I'm not

saying that is I mean, that's how the character

was written, but he was much more comic relief

in this than anything Absolutely. I do think

your page truck was probably better in this one.

I still think I like Other april o 'neill's better

but i don't think that's necessarily her fault

i just don't think she fits what i'm picturing

as april o 'neill and i don't think she has that.

Relationship with the turtles that we even got

in the first live action film and some other

things later on down the road probably but i

thought the voices were fine but like you said

i think the biggest thing the glaring thing for

me as a kid when i when this came out when i

finally saw it on vhs was. What if this is the

third movie. In a trilogy why do all of sudden

the turtles look completely different than they

did in the first two films so and it obviously

I didn't know at the time that there was a different

company involved I wouldn't have even known that

there was companies that did that I thought it

was magic or something like that but but it was

like wow these turtles are really weird they

have a lot of teeth they have the spots that

they didn't have before they look a lot more

like. Rubbery to me yeah. And it just was off

-putting. And I am not just saying that now.

I remember thinking that as a kid, like, well,

this looks weird to me. So I think it was glaring

that the Jim Henson company was not involved.

I just didn't know it at the time. So that was

probably the biggest thing for me as far as from

a cast company, you know, that type of stuff.

Any other notes from you on that aspect? Yeah,

like the turtles just had these dead eyes. They

just looked and their mouths moved so poorly.

It was like it was basically it was like there

were It was being translated or something. So,

um, you know, uh, can't think of the word for

it. Um, being dubbed, like dubbed over with how

like bad it was matching up and really made me

appreciate the other other two films when I came

to the puppeteering. Cause it was, I mean, there

were some pretty, like, there was a couple of

impressive things when like the overall special

effects in the sense of, and when you like more

so the stunt people like. Riding being in those

costumes riding horses while also wearing same

right here like that's a pretty impressive thing

to do like those that had to be hard and especially

one doing it backwards. But you know that was

more so you an impressive stunt and you know

impressive and press a set designer would be

one of the costumes i guess. Right any take on

splinter we have obviously a different company

doing his effects we have a different actor in

the suit we are doing the puppeteering we have

a different voice any thoughts on splinter overall.

He looks like a character from check the cheese

i feel like the way is like you know his he didn't

his arms really didn't move. And he was the way

he was the way his position is this was really

parent like it felt like he was on the stage

of check the cheese and it just it i didn't know

the. Performance the acting performance. I don't

think was necessarily bad per se but the design

the execution of it It never felt even I mean

that we've been having issue issues was put through

this entire time a little bit better last time

This to me was probably the worst of them three

though. Yeah, it was weird because it was like

the first one Okay, this is the first time you're

doing this and you know, it's a big task and

you know, it looks good And then the second one

you have more money. It's an improvement. So

you're not expecting like this Drastic turn to

not only a different company in a different look,

but just what felt like was just amateur in comparison

I'm not saying that they're amateur visual effects

I know it's hard and they'd probably put a lot

of work into it But just like in comparison it

was like we just went down to the minor leagues

Absolutely, I get that part a hundred percent

so the movie begins obviously we're gonna have

the Setting be in this like fifteen hundred sixteen

hundred something in japan i think it's fifteen

hundreds i don't know the poster says like fifteen

hundreds i believe but then the snaps and read

online sixteen oh three so i don't know where

it's exactly supposed to be but somewhere in

that time period but just before we get into

the actual stuff that happens in the movie. We

know. What the first movie was kind of based

off of since we've already discussed that and

then the second movie we're discussing the ooze

and kind of that thing and the effects can have

on other characters. What are your thoughts on

the idea that you know somewhere at some point

in time it was pitched or discussed or whatever

and they're like I know for the third film. Let's

go back in time to Japan and base it off of that

like where do you sit with that be in love like

premise of this one. I don't have an issue with

it because it's. But a pretty consistent thing

with the turtles like them going to feudal japan

like uh, you know, one of my favorite comics

is yusagi yujimbo and they've often, you know

They came out the the comics came out around

the same time and they have a they've lost and

crossed over There's actually a crossover going

on right now So I thought I thought it made sense.

It was something that you would expect with a

franchise I know at that time there was a lot

of that going on especially with like back to

the future earlier and there was and felt like

a lot of movies of this elk of like You know

the last of moheekins those kind of like swashbuckling

adventure type of films of course this was more

of a i mean i want to see the samurai film but

it was it was i guess more like that i don't

have an issue with it in premise it. I guess

you know it's not the most creative idea perhaps

but in the realm of the mythos of the turtles

it makes sense. Okay and then my other question

is we discussed a little bit that obviously in

the first movie you get the main villain you

get shredded right we're talking about. The most

classic villain that the turtles have ever faced

as far as at that time you know what the the

comics and especially the cartoon series that

was the main villain crying was probably you

know. One be but that's kind of hard to pull

off probably in a live -action film unless I

guess they seems like they tried to do it with

the quantumania here, but So then we talked about

the second one we get Shredder returning we introduced

token razor which are kind of like fill -ins

for bebop and rocksteady in a way, but also kind

of somewhat of a new villain that we hadn't seen

before in comics or cartoons and now we get this

third one and there really isn't a cartoon villain.

There isn't a villain that we're used to. Like,

they didn't kind of tap into any of the cartoon

or comics, it doesn't seem like, to pull a notable

villain that they could face off against. We're

basically dealing with just these characters,

these humans that existed in Japan at that time,

etc. So how do you feel that either worked or

didn't work in a Turtles movie that we're dealing

with kind of a Non -script villain, I guess is

how I would put it. Yeah, I mean it's kind of

you know It was a villain those just kind of

there as a kid it bugged me much more cuz you

know you want to see some sort of connection

to Even if there was something in the sense of

like these were the foot or like there is some

sort of idea like this is connecting to what

you know Here was just it was almost like you

had a script and it was made beforehand and you're

like, you know what? Let's just add the turtles

to this and we won't change anything else. Um,

and that's pretty much, uh, cause the villains

themselves are like, I thought Stuart Wilson's

performance as like, it was pretty, I mean, I

liked him. I thought he was charismatic. You

know, he, he kind of fit that swarming, like,

you know, guy who's going to backstab anyone.

Um, and he had a few, you know, good moments,

but character wise, it was definitely not the

highlight and. You know i can see why be being

disappointed as a kid as an adult it didn't necessarily

bother me per se like it. I don't i didn't think

they were villain wise just looking at how the

worst characters any better or worse than the

previous homes cuz i know who shredder is. What's

that like we got outside of the little origin

and there's a little bit more connection there

but i don't i don't think it's villains they

were that much better or worse than we got for.

Yeah i'm kind of on the fence because part of

me is is. Always upset that if there's like a

mass library of stuff to choose from Like if

there's a ton of content to pick and choose villains

for like, you know You're only gonna do like

for most properties. They're only possibly gonna

get one live -action film maybe some of them

will get a handful of them and They're often

dealing when we're talking about this type of

stuff whether it's based on cartoons comics,

you know, etc, etc They have like a plethora

of villains to choose from like you're taking

gejo's are you taking him and turtles or transformers

or anything like that there's all these different

villains that you can pick and choose for the

centerpiece for your one movie because you have

you know. Sixty or a hundred or two hundred and

you know episodes or comic books that you could

you could take and so it always kind of bugs

me when you don't take from somewhere but i can

you know i also i'm not trying to say that you

need to be. I know there's a whole argument about

being original or just taking something that's

already done, but I think when you're adapting

a cartoon or a comic property into a movie, I

mean, it would be weird to take a Batman movie

live action movie and you have no villain from

the comic books. Yeah, like that would just be

a strange thing to do. But the other side of

that fence is you're going back to feudal Japan.

Where like which one would make sense in that

setting? Is there is there one at all? I don't

know the comics enough to know who you could

pull but even if you took something I don't know

like tie it to their origin or tie it to like

Part of me thinks there should have been a way

to pull it off I don't know exactly what that

way is but so I'm kind of like on the fence But

I definitely feel like it's been diminishing

turn returns each movie as far as the villains

go I guess yeah, I mean like I said, I think

if you tried to have some link to the foot or

something like that like But I guess if he was

like, both armies were kind of caught in the

middle with this kind of European pirate trying

to manipulate them. So it's like, you couldn't

make either of them the villain because they

weren't necessarily designed to be the villain.

So I mean, they have in the in the most recent

IDW run, what they've done is kind of added an

element of reincarnation. And the idea is that

like Splinter. And the turtles were originally

alive during that period and along with the shredder

and then they were part of like them coming Becoming

the turtles was also part of reincarnation. So

they like I mean that probably be a lot to do

But I get why people would you know have an issue

with it because like you said there's a there's

a plenty of you know, you have Kang but that

might I don't know if they were considering how

You had splintered work. I don't know how well

they would have been able to do that or crying.

That's called him King Maybe someone like I guess

the issue with some of the other villains like

a Baxter Stockman, you know acquire, you know,

you have all those different like Special effects

with mouse hunters or whatever. I can't remember

what they're called. So there I guess they kind

of just thought well, you know, we'll just create

something new and Go from there there were some

ties to like the actual comics cuz you know there

is that reference to like them coming that where

they were there before and I believe that was

them trying to reference the comics of when they

were like so maybe that's what how they were

trying to find a happy middle know right but

I don't know and then you have an issue with

like the legality of. Some of like who owns what

villains so I don't know if that also played

a part too so I don't know. Maybe I'm just bitter.

I think I always in my back of my head wished

that like either two or three would have just

been the same thing as one still have them in

New York, but instead of shredder, it's like

Rat King and like rats or something like that.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I guess maybe they

were I don't know. I know Eastman. I think maybe

part of it could be because they were so just

just joined in to think about the cartoon and

the portrayal of some of those characters that

maybe they were they kind of went the other way.

Maybe they went too far. They just kind of gave

us Characters like that were just kind of there

like they they weren't poor They weren't you

know great characters, but they weren't I don't

say awful. They kind of It was very like by the

book. It was you know, it was obviously this

is way before AI you know was able to write a

script but Like it kind of feels like that like,

you know, it's just it's basic plotting It's

kind of hitting all the beats yours. You would

expect with a story So yeah, yeah, I think one

thing that I kind of enjoyed from I'm gonna get

your take just to see if you believe it exists

in this third movie, but in the first two films

Speaking of the action sequences and the fight

scenes and stuff like that. I know there's I've

seen the second one they weren't allowed to use

any other weapons and so it seems like in this

third one they immediately at the beginning do

like a whole thing where they're showcasing all

the different weapons you know they're not necessarily

like attacking anybody with them and then. Some

of the turtles do get to use their weapons you

know throughout the film setter but besides the

use of the weapons or you can you know key on

that but the first two films we got these. Mass

battle sequences with the foot that to me were

a great combination of. Action slash comedy where

they were doing different little things, whether

it be the sausage with the numb chucks or whether

it be you know some of those types of things

kind of gives you. Feelings of like the scene

from Indiana Jones with the gun versus the knife

or the swords or whatever And so they they did

a lot of cool stuff or at least for a kid I thought

fun stuff in the first movie in the second movie

where they had that now they're obviously fighting

not the foot but you know in this more samurai

setting do you feel like they Missed an opportunity

to do that or do you feel like they still kind

of gave us some of that fun? Comical action it

definitely felt a bit more serious. I think it's

more akin to the first film in a lot of ways

than the second. I would think that's probably

one thing it didn't have a lot were those fun

action sequences, or the action sequences aren't

necessarily super memorable. There are a couple

bits here and there, like with the cannon and

them using their shells and whatnot. But yeah,

there's not that scene like the opening of either

film or moment where either I'm having a good

time and just enjoying the coriness or at least

Thinking all this is well executed like I mentioned

there are a few stunts that I thought were pretty

impressive in the sense of like just getting

them accomplished, but it definitely came off

as they were trying to react against the tone

of the previous one and like tone things down

a bit and make it a little bit more true to life

and It just it I guess in a way then it also

kind of took the fun out of it and in some instances

That's what I was missing. Like not only did

it look weird to me, but then it was it didn't

feel the same because we didn't get that same

type of balance between the the the seriousness

of the first one. The first one still had comedic

bits. The second one had a lot of comedic bits,

but I just didn't feel like we got any of that

balance to me. It just kind of felt like we're

trudging along. Kind of like you said, it was

much more in the dialogue here than even although

some of the really bad ADR dialogue, which was

so like. I felt like they were just throwing

whatever they could against the wall. Sometimes

I did enjoy the talk about your quantum leap

line. That was one I liked. And I think the closest

they got was what you kind of referred to when

when he goes down in the shell to be missed by

things. And then, you know, I love being a turtle

or whatever. Like that was like the closest to

me. It got to feel like some of the stuff we

would have gotten from those turtles in the first

two films. So yeah, good. Even even the climax

like I I do think one thing that's been consistent

Maybe outside of the first one was like they're

really bad at finding satisfying ways to get

rid of their villains They like people falling

and falling into water. Like it's like this one

had both, you know, but they thought in 1993

we could have done the visuals of somebody falling

in water correctly You like he falls and then

he just like disappears. Yeah. Yeah And it's

also they're also weirdly like. The turtles aren't

ever the ones that really come out on top. They're

not the ones like solving the problem. They're

usually just bystanders like things end up happening

like they they just happen to be there sometimes,

which is kind of right. So I also missed the

music that oh yeah. Loved in the first two films

as a kid as a kid. I liked the music in the first

two films I don't know if I love it now, but

like I didn't get like it was that it didn't

so not only are we not in The New York setting

which is what we're kind of familiar with not

saying you can't do a successful like time travel

Japan story and I'm not saying like, you know,

you pointed out they did do that in the comics

So it makes sense, but like you're already taking

us out of the New York Setting that we're used

to you're taking the music away that we're used

to you're taking some of the fun Comic stuff

not that I wanted to go as far as the second

film did but you're taking that away And then

you have turtles that just look completely different

and the visual effects seem like a complete downgrade

so like I I'm somewhat shocked that this movie

made any money I Like I mean turtles were at

that point, you know Plus yeah, I mean I get

like, you know 1993 the turtles have been around

now for six years five years six years something

like that and so it was Starting you know that

this isn't coming out like their peak Yeah, you

know so to speak, but I'm just surprised You

know with some of those things that that it did

as well It opened at number one at the box office

according to the internet with a gross of 12

million You know gross 54 million total So I'm

surprised I didn't realize that I thought this

one was more of a financial flop than I guess

it and I guess it wasn't a hundred percent So

yeah, it also came out in March, which is a pretty

big jumping around off even more so And so that's

also be why yeah, I don't know what it was going

up against but probably the critics were not

nice to this obviously like This is my thing

though, like critics are already gonna be hard

on at especially during this time period This

is before Marvel somewhat Changes things at least

temporarily and some of the and well not Marvel.

I guess more so Maybe the Christopher Nolan Batman

films change things a little bit But before then

it would if a movie came out that was based on

a video game or a cartoon or something As a general

rule of thumb critics weren't gonna score it

real. Well, yeah, so that's fine and dandy but

to me It's not just like the 19 % that it has

on Rotten Tomatoes to me It's more like you even

lost the nerds that like myself That are into

this like you can't do both like it's fine to

heck with the critics You can put out a fun movie

that works for the audience that's geared towards

but like if it doesn't work for that then it's

like oof You're like oh for two but apparently

Kevin Eastman liked it. So He said this is a

quote from him. He says what we tried to do with

the third movie was to make it as good of a story

as we could. We went through a painstaking level

of do's and don'ts what they could and couldn't

do. We wanted something that would be good for

all ages again. I call movie one the best movie

to the worst and movie three halfway in between.

That's Kevin Eastman from 2014. Is that how you

would rank them? Honestly? Yeah, I think I think.

There the lows aren't as low it with me in this

one and like like I said, it made me get gets

a bit too serious Maybe it's not like it doesn't

have that much fun I wouldn't say this is a good

movie by any stretch of the imagination But I

thought like there's good bits in it Like I thought

they had better character moments here. Like

I thought you know Ralph having like that L that

that time he's spending with a kid about you

know Just being a kid and not you know not being

You know a soldier already or even like Michelangelo

And like having to be on his own for a bit And

again, I felt like Donatello actually had moments

to be like the Donatello that I remember of like

the tech tech guy so and I thought you know It

it was more competently made like I said it I

wouldn't you know, this isn't and even like the

opening shot I was Watching this I'm like if

I have the right movie because opening shot is

actually pretty well done like with a reset Sun

setting the background is that's pretty pretty

gorgeous Scene it's probably the highlight of

the movie But like the best, you know looking

scene of the movie but and even like the sets

and things like that I thought you know the of

the of the time like it did feel like considering

like it did feel like, you know, they are you

attempted to make it feel like they were back

at that time time frame. I think the one thing,

of course, is that there aren't as many standout.

There's nothing like when I mentioned as a kid,

I didn't remember much of it. And still, even

here, I can't point to a lot of moments. There's,

you know, like it seems like all the comedy,

as we mentioned earlier, was reserved for Casey

Jones and and the like the other people that

were like lost in time. And that kind of rare

rare thin a little bit. Although I did like the

hockey reference. That was nice. But yeah, I

think I could see I could see why because this

is much more akin to like what he made with the

comics compared to like the second film, which

was really, really goofy. And I did. But again,

it's not like I would give this a five stars

or anything like that. It's like I have no desire

to ever watch it again. But I I don't know if

it was just low expectations But I'm like this

is much better than I had thought it was going

to be just because it wasn't the worst thing

ever so yeah I think when I think about the three

films and again this one I had seen the fewest

times and I haven't even I don't think since

the 90s and I Don't necessarily think the second

or the third film are good films at all I think

like you said this one is definitely probably

darker probably more akin to what the comic books

were and what they kind of were going for and

Took out a little bit of the immature humor and

things of that nature that especially we saw

prevalent in the second one I Will watch the

first one again for sure like I can say that

like there will be a time in the future where

I think Let's put the first turtles movie on

and I'm gonna watch it again like that will happen.

I guarantee it So I'm a big fan of the first

one regardless of whatever you might want to

critique out of it It's just something that I

think is a good time It's entertaining humorous

and it takes me back and and I enjoy it from

a nostalgia standpoint or whatever I don't know

if I'll ever watch the second one again but I

think there would be a Like a 1 % higher chance

of me watching the second one again than me watching

this one again. Yeah I cannot make I'm not making

that doesn't mean the second films a better film

like I said, I think from a competency standpoint,

maybe this third film was better made and It

did take you know, they did do a good job making

it look like it was from the time period and

you know There was probably some more choreographing

done and things of that nature. So I think there's

aspects of the third film that probably make

it a better executed Film from like a fundamental

standpoint, but I don't think I would enjoy a

rewatch of the third one Not that I'm gonna enjoy

immensely a rewatch of the second one But yeah,

I give it give it like a one or two percent bump

on that on the rewatch ability Yeah, I think

the second film when it fails it fails on it

like a just kind of out there interesting way,

you know It's a difference between like an adequate

success first an interesting failure. The second

one I think is I want a failure may be strong,

but a There's those moments where it's like,

you know, you know, villain I vanilla ice and

where it goes. It's just the absurdity keeps

your interest where this never had that absurdity.

So, um, you know, it makes for maybe a bit more

forgettable experience, but at least it's, but

it was maybe, you know, more. Not as embarrassing

in a way. I don't know how you, although, like

you said, some of the puppeteering and Stuff

like that is hard to hard to watch at times because

it's just can't look directly at the turtles

Otherwise it doesn't work. My wife walked through

the film or walked through the room Amanda walked

through the room when I was watching I kind of

watched this in a couple pieces and when I was

watching the last bit of it she walked through

and she's like Why do the turtles look like that?

It's like yeah that kind of sums it up It was

one scene though because I didn't want to talk

about I know we're about to wrap up but I wanted

to make So it's it was so it in in 2022 standards

It just really stands out was this that you know

You had that guard who was a bigger guard and

they went in on the fat jokes like really hard

like mm -hmm Just countless like man. They are

they're not stopping with this guy. It's like

Just like that's something you would have more

expected in the second film, but yeah, I think

it was a different time I mean there were and

also I gotta say I wanted to I need to I'm not

going to go back and do it, but I kind of wish

I had a running list of the references they make

because it is the most eclectic group like, you

know, uh, amount of things. You mentioned quantum

leap. There's like old school references to like,

you know, um, multi stock. It just, it, it runs

the gamut, but I guess it makes sense. Cause

they're probably in the sewers watching whatever

comes on TV. So that's kind of what they know,

but it's just. It's interesting cuz i don't know

as a kid if i picked up a lot of those different

references right right so there were initially

plans for a fourth installment obviously the

first two film the first film did great the second

film did great. Third film still made money so

there was initial plans for a fourth film is

gonna be somewhere in the maybe ninety six area

in the nineties still. Obviously never happened

there was a couple different ideas that i saw

in looking on different sites on the internet

as far as what they were gonna do one of them

apparently was titled tmnt for the foot walks

again another was having to deal with the next

mutation which obviously becomes a. Terrible

looking tv series and ninety seven ninety eight

but also there were ideas about a fourth film

they don't happen instead we have to wait. To

have a CGI animated film in two thousand seven

and then a reboot in two thousand fourteen. Do

you think there would have been any room for

fourth film are you glad that they kind of stop

now gave us a break and until the reboot you

know ten years more than ten years later or do

you think it would have been interesting to see

them try something else or what are your thoughts

on kind of how i would be interested to see what

they can do but also. Thinking back at that live

-action TV series and how bad that was like,

you know, like what where would they go? I You

know the foot comes back with that, you know

bringing back shredder and I guess who well whoever

I don't know like I feel like it would have you

know, cuz they're probably not getting Jim Henson

back So and the fact that this made like even

less money. They're probably gonna have an even

even smaller budget So I could can only imagine

that it was probably a better idea for the entire

franchise to take a step back and I agree wait

and just Go the animated route. I'll say that

as I never actually have seen TMNT from 2007.

So it'll be the first time I've oh you have it

Okay, I watched it before so this is interesting

then because what turtles is doing turtles is

like this interesting property interesting franchise

we talked about this probably a little bit in

the first episode we were covering but They have

multiple things going on at the same time right

there is the comics which are going on at different

times and there's been different lines of that

and then there's the movies that we're talking

about currently and then there's this animated

series or the live action series as well. And

they're all like debuting in different years

and things of that nature so it's kind of interesting

when we're just looking at the movies to see

that because we know at this point we've had

the original comics and we've had the eighty

seven. Cartoons and up to that point. This is

all that's existed We just mentioned that we

do get the next mutation series in the like 96

97 era and then turtles really takes a break

until after the 2000s and the way the timeline

goes is there was a see a new television series

in 2003 and a new one in 2012 and then there's

been obviously more than that, but the next two

are 2003 in 2012 The movies are 2007 and 2014.

We have the other series drop first. Be around

for about four years before we get this 2007

film. I'm interested to see that. and I'm almost

tempted to go watch just a couple episodes of

each of these cartoon series just to see like

where we were at in that as well because it takes

on this whole new thing where there's so many

multiple channels of stuff going on in different

mediums and that's I think what's kept the turtles

relevant and happening to this day like we already

have a new film coming out this year we have

the animated series seem to like just continue

to reinvent themselves So it'll be interesting

to see because it's really hard at this point

to have seen everything that's been out. So you

said you have not seen the 2007 movie. Have you

seen any of the other TV series? I watched the

2003 TV series when I came out. OK, I and I've

seen there was a turtles lost. I forget whatever

the forever TV for turtles forever. I did watch

that back when. We were doing the animated movie

countdown just cuz I need I heard because we

talked about it in that episode I went back and

watch it cuz I never never saw before But yeah,

I watched a little bit of that I remember watching

it and being like this is not what I remember

cuz it was so serious and but liking it I enjoyed

that 2003 series, but I don't know why I just

never watched it in 2007 just one of those things

were like I'll catch it eventually and then I

didn't and then I I thought I heard people say

it wasn't good, but I don't know I don't know

what the overall thought about it is per se,

because who knows if, you know, sometimes I feel

like with the turtles, the further you are away

from certain things, the more people like it.

So, you know, yeah, but I haven't watched any

of the newer series at all. Like then there you

have the other one for Nickelodeon that was like

in the 20, the one you mentioned 2012. I didn't

watch that one and I didn't watch the most recent

one. The rise of the two guys i did i did try

to watch the netflix movie a little bit but i

was completely lost so i ended up not what i

just kind of like i but i mean like i need to

go back and there's so much content and when

this turtle threes came out i thought well that's

the end of the turtles we're not gonna see them

again then here we are and you know there's like

you mentioned there's just never stops. Right,

right. Absolutely. So I believe I've only seen

the 2007 film once just like with this Turtles

3 once so that'll be interesting for a first

time watch for you and a first a second time

watch but a first time in a long time for me

for the 2007 one when we discussed that Dan anything

else that you wanted to talk about Turtles 3

or anything else before we close this one out?

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So this has been Atma Solo, he is the Comic Concierge,

and we will be back next time to talk more Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles, this time in 2007.