Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze

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revolt Dan. Hello How's it going? Sorry if I

sound a little odd. Yeah, like a bad cold. So

I don't think I can get it from you. So I hope

not. I hope things haven't come to that yet.

So we are back We're gonna continue a series

that we started last episode on the Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles today We're gonna be focusing on

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 the secret of

the ooze which came out in 1991 obviously a sequel

to the film we talked about last the second in

the original live -action trilogy and this one

just to get some of the Data out of the way had

a budget of 25 million Box office was 78 .7 according

to Wikipedia. So it did make some money, not

quite as much as the first one, but it was deemed

a success from the box office. We'll get into

some more of the reviews and critical response

maybe a little bit later. But Dan, what is your

earliest memories of The Secret of the Ooze and

what's your kind of history with this movie?

This definitely wasn't one I watched more as

a kid than the the first one because when I think

of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I always think

of that opening scene with them everyone eating

pizza and everything like that So yeah, this

was really my jam as a kid. How about you? Um,

I remember like I kind of said in last episode

that I was probably more excited for this movie

than I was any other Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

movies before or since Just because of how much

I loved the first movie like the first movie

just became something that I was not obsessed

with but like I knew that movie inside and out

so like when it was like Hey, there's gonna be

another one. I was all about it. I was super

excited I don't remember what kind of stuff they

were doing merchandise wise, but I know I was

probably a part of it Whether it was at a pizza

place or whatever I don't remember which you

know licensing deals or agreements they had with

what companies but I do remember there being

something some type of marketing campaign that

I was You know all about and I was very excited

to see this one as I saw this one in the theater

as well And because I was about 10 when this

came out 9 or 10 somewhere in that range and

It was I had a lot of friends that were into

turtles. So I remember that being a thing I've

seen it a couple times since then not nearly

as many times as I've seen the first one and

The last time I saw this movie I honestly, it's

been a while. It's been over 10 years. So how

many times have you seen this movie and when

was the last time you watched it? I saw it a

lot as a kid, even just like in bits and pieces,

because I used to be on TV a lot. I haven't seen

it in a long time either. I think maybe when

the last Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies came

out, I think I kind of went back and watched

the original once again to kind of prepare. I

was curious about it. But yeah, it's been about

five or six years since the last time I've seen

it. Okay. Okay. So getting into kind of just

a little bit of the plot and setting the stage

for this one Obviously, it's gonna continue the

story with the four turtles. We're also gonna

have splinter even though he looks slightly different

and we're gonna have a different April O 'Neil,

but she is in the movie and You know, she has

a different boss But she's still there and we

have a few other characters that we can get into

on the that side of things We're still gonna

deal with the foot clan. We're still gonna deal

with shredder spoiler alert he didn't die in

the first movie so he comes back in in total

cartoon fashion i guess and we're gonna see the

emergence of two characters that we had not seen

before and as far as the movie franchise goes

which is toka and razor who are kind of stand

-ins for b -bop and rocksteady we'll get more

into that later and we still have tatsu so a

similar cast Add Keno take out Casey Jones Add

token razor, but other than that a very similar

cast so kind of what was your? initial reaction

to The general story the general casting and

kind of where we start with this film and also

no no Corey Feldman I believe right he didn't

come back right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh two of the turtles

were recast I forgot to say that Raphael and

Donatello were recast Corey Feldman had just

been in rehab or something he had Some personal

life stuff that had happened. I think between

the first and the second movie So they did not

invite him back. So he was recast Adam Carl is

the voice and then Raphael goes from Josh Pace

who was in the first film to Laurie Faso in the

second one Otherwise Leonardo Michelangelo stay

the same splinter still is voiced by Kevin Clash

So there were the only other change like I mentioned

was April O 'Neill who goes From judith hoag

to page turco. So go ahead and continue with

your thought I think page was not nearly the

same level as the previous film, but she just

didn't she was kind of just there She also didn't

have as much to do in this I think the first

thing I was trying to figure out watching it

was like Determining how much time has passed

since the first movie like is it a long time?

It seems like it was like the next day in a way

almost gets dumped out in the trash I don't think

it takes that long for garbage to to dump out.

So Less it's going far away. I guess yeah, I

thought Cory Feldman did a good job last movie

But I do think the change was actually for the

benefit because I felt like I mentioned last

time Donatello felt like he was just Michelangelo

light and this one it was a little bit different

There were a few scenes here and there where

he's trying to flex his tech muscle not nothing

to the level of the cartoon or anything But at

least he had More opportunity there didn't know

notice rafael change. Honestly, everyone else

kind of stayed the same I didn't notice much.

I did miss casey jones because I did think he

brought a lot of energy I think his presence

was very much missed outside of that casting

wise. It was pretty consistent Yeah, and i'm

gonna you hit some things spot on that. I have

literally down on my notes I have donnie was

a little bit more scientist tech slash geek in

this film So I do think they improved on that

which is something we had pointed out during

the first film for sure I was definitely not

Loving the fact that Casey Jones was not in this

film I loved his character so much in the first

one that I really wanted him in this one And

it's like they instead of Casey Jones we get

Keno but Keno is not really a replacement for

Casey Jones as much as he's a replacement for

Whatever the kids name was in the first one the

April O 'Neil's boss's son I forget what his

name was, but it seems like he's more of like

the younger one that you're supposed to be able

to relate to in a way. So it's not really a replacement

for Casey Jones, but he is the other good sidekick.

So it's like, I don't know. I just don't know

how much I enjoyed that. I didn't mind Keno.

I didn't mind the performance or the character,

but like in place of Casey Jones, it didn't work

as well for me. So I did definitely note that

down and it's you're right april o 'neill is

a little bit different I didn't like this april

o 'neill as much and i'm not necessarily saying

it's the performance or the actress or anything

it's just. She plays a different part she's not

as. Central it seems like even though she does

have the relationship with the turtles but like

i said we you know different boss we don't have

the whole story kind of around her being the

focal point where she's kind of taking jabs at

the. The city and things of that nature and obviously

you know her boss's son and all that type of

stuff so it is a little bit of a different take

that i wasn't as big of a fan on. Let's get into

the be bop and rocksteady thing right away i

guess just because as a cure me like. You're

mutating two animals and you're creating these

two monsters and in the cartoon you know that

should be be back study and then the movie we

get toka and raise our and i've read that that

was because of layered or eastman layered they.

despise the way Bebop in our study where maybe

this is a pretty strong word, but Yeah, there

seems to be well there seems to be a dispute

of why they weren't in it Like there's some like

Peter Laird says is because he didn't like them.

He thought they were really goofy. I don't know

really Tokarn Razor were less goofy. I guess

they didn't talk as much but also because of

the licensing like who owns the rights to them

was a bit questionable because unlike the original

turtles they debuted as part of the toy line

and their first origin was really told in the

cartoon that wasn't really clear like did they

have the rights to them? I've seen a lot of conflicting

information or different reasons but it seemed

ultimately like they either couldn't do it or

didn't want to so instead they gave us kind of

the wish .com version of those characters. Right

and it's unfortunate cuz as an audience member

it doesn't matter what the reason was it just

matters that it seems off you know what I mean

like especially as a kid like you're like what

who where why who are these guys and it's like

if you didn't like bebop and rocksteady because

of how cartoony they were how silly they were

in the cartoon are you a big fan of the fact

that you bring in token raiser and then make

them both babies I mean there's I mean in general

this is so much more cartoony than the last movie

but It's who knows I don't know how much though,

you know Peter Laird and but not how much control

they had I doubt they had much or maybe they

did I don't know but yeah, I think if anything

like don't do it at all like like if you're gonna

like introduce sidekicks like that You almost

set yourself up for disappointment because I

same as a kid It was like like who are those

people, you know of all animals to get like I

guess Wolf and snapping turtle. I don't know.

I feel like if you're looking for the fiercest

creatures would those be the ones you go to And

that's how they introduce them to they should

do some literally like as we get it and give

me the fiercest or maybe it was supposed to be

the fiercest they could get in New York. New

York. Yeah. And it seems a little odd to me,

too, because you already have the turtles, right,

which are a monumental task of puppetry slash,

you know, all of all of the effects that are

going into that. So do you really want to add

to even More extensive characters that are along

those same like I feel like they would have been

better served Having somebody that a person could

just play as a bad guy You know what I mean?

And there's a few of those that you could pick

from from you know, the turtles lore and the

history and whatnot So I don't know if I'm having

two more animatronics slash, you know, whatever

in the mix. It was the best way to go and they

seemed like Yeah, like there was a rat king couldn't

you have done right? Yeah, is he a character?

Yeah, like you know in a bunch of rats or something

like I don't know I just feel like adding these

two and then making them as big as they are or

get And then I just don't think the effects worked

quite as well with them as it does with the turtles

it felt more like I was watching not like the

old -school Godzilla, but it was like It just

felt like it was lesser than instead of better

and it's coming out after the first one So when

you have these two characters, it's like ooh

This is not quite as smooth with their movements

and some of the stuff they're doing I just don't

know if that was definitely felt like two people

in a suit like it didn't you know, like it never

felt right, you know with the turtles and maybe

it's just because they also have personality

so you never felt like even like the textures

of the costumes they want bad costumes, but Wasn't

super convincing. Yeah. So this one comes out

after a massive success for the first one, right?

The first one as we talked about was the highest

grossing Independent film of all time at that

point. This one becomes the number two But because

this one comes off of the first one and it was

such a financial success They have a lot more

money to spend with this one So did you notice

anything when it came to the actual turtles?

Because they obviously redo some of their effects

some of their look they they Do a little bit

different stuff with splinter. Like, did you

see the money that was spent on this one in comparison

to the first one or did it seem more in line

or kind of how could you tell? When it came to

like the speaking and like mouthing words, it

seemed a lot better. I know last time they tried

to use some camera techniques to make it seem

more believable. But for here, I felt like it

was much cleaner and generally looked a lot better

too. Like there was something about like the

grainy look of the first one that kind of fits

into the movie. But this one seems to have a

bit more polished for the most part. Yeah, I

think if you take token razor out of it for me

like the the effects are in the costuming and

All of that is better for me in this one. So

I feel like you could kind of see that they did

spend more on this what do you think about the

actual like The feel of the movie, you know,

we talked about the first movie being a little

bit darker You know, the kid gets beat up basically

almost killed supposed to be killed in the original

draft and there's a lot more Sequences that we

talked about that were more mature more dark,

etc What did you feel like this film? Like what

is? What is the identity of this film for you?

Like it's definitely more kid -friendly It's

it's I could see why I loved it as a kid because

it if it's much more in line with the original

cartoon as a kid and never noticed that they

never really used their weapons but now as an

adult I can't unsee it because like you've heard

about that controversy, but Yeah, I definitely

think it probably would appeal much more to like

what people thought of as a Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtle audience, which is surprising It wasn't

as financially successful. Maybe it's just because

it was a sequel It feels like we mentioned a

bit more goofy It feels less like the original

comics a great deal. And even though Peter Laird

and Eastman were part of it It feels much more

in the world of the cartoon. There are some occasions

here and there where you're like, OK, it's getting

a little bit more dark. But as an adult, I don't

like it nearly as much. But my kid really liked

it. So I think it certainly hits its target audience.

But I also think it's not as good of a movie.

Yeah. And it's kind of interesting because we

talked about a few actors change here and there,

but it does have a different director. And I

believe it has a different like Brian Henson

was involved in the first one. But yeah, jim

henson was involved in both but obviously he

he just died like less than a year before this

one gets released and there's a whole There's

a I forgot that it has like the in memory of

jim henson thing at the beginning of it But it

does have a little bit of differences as far

as some of the people that are calling the shots

I know it has a different director and to me

Even though I was super excited about this one

as a as a kid based off The base of the set the

first one and it's very quick like there's not

a lot of time in between the release of the first

one and the release of this one. Like is it a

year at the most because the first one comes

out in ninety the second one comes out and yet

it's a really good one. Yeah, so a bit rushed

a different director. So it does definitely have

a different feel for me And I don't know. I just

think like even the poster for me, even though

this had no effect of me necessarily as a kid

I'm wondering if the older audience got like

especially kids that were maybe a few years older

Does does it work when you have this poster and

you can clearly see that it's two characters

that in the background is the antagonist that

you have no idea what they are compared to like

I don't know like a crank would've been really

hard to do i don't know if they could pull that

off back then but i just feel like a different

villain might have. A little bit more appealing

i think i agree with you though like this movie

is much more kid friendly it's much more about

the jokes it's much more about you know fight

jokes fight jokes etc even though you said they're

fighting with the weapons it seems like there's

so much more bear. Knuckle, I guess you would

call it fighting or hand -to -hand combat. I

think they say two of the turtles only use a

weapon like once use the sausage links, which

I'm like if you can like why is that okay, but

I don't know it seems kind of weird. Yeah Cold

-cut nun checks and they have like the bot bag

stunt, which I always liked One thing that I

did not appreciate was how pizza was being used

in the beginning of this film that's not as someone

that has been in the pizza business for over

a decade like if I had a delivery person that

was holding the pizza box vertically would be

very upset with that because that's not how pizza

works, but And yeah, so he was holding the bag

terribly, but that was just a minor nitpick They

have a line like Keno has a line of being he's

supposed to be like the the good guy right like

he's supposed to be on He's not as conflicted

as the kid in the first movie. Obviously. He's

not like battling whether he's good or bad like

he's coming It's supposed to be coming across

as good like right from the beginning and he

has a line to like one of the passerby is like

one of the girls at the beginning like What is

it? What does he say something about like I'm

look I would be going for someone more thin.

I Don't know if you caught that I don't you caught

that line, but he says that like right near the

beginning He's like girls giving him a hard time

or something and I'm just like that doesn't That

didn't age well. Well, but speaking of Kino,

he played apparently I didn't know this, but

he was in the first movie. Did you see this that

he was the yeah, he was the stunt double or whatever

for Donatello. But what did you think of his

character just in general? Think he definitely

sets the tone of the movie like the difference

between him and Casey Jones is a difference between

The first film on this one as a kid. I really

liked him because yeah, that's good at karate

You know, that was kind of all I needed. So I

think you know acting wise I know him too from

like other movies He's in a lot of stuff still

to this day, but I was like, oh it's a and this

was before surf ninjas But right I remember watching

surf ninjas and being like, oh that guy was in

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I think he's good

at what he does like he he has that very like

bubbly personality. I don't know if like He ever

kind of came across as someone that the foot

would be tricked by Although some of the foot

were kind of like not they definitely were the

c team or something like that One of my favorite

scenes is like when they're trying to find the

secret hide hiding spot And the guy that's showing

them has the most new york accent i've ever heard

in my life It was like not a guy you would like

yeah that dude is really in the martial arts.

He should be in the good fellows right now nuts,

uh, but I remember really loving the scene where

they're putting him through the tests and they

do the bells. Definitely. Where the turtles come

in, whichever turtle comes in and gets all the

bells off without making any sounds. As a kid,

I loved that scene. I don't know why. Yeah, that

was cool. Seeing the training, seeing how the

foot functions was kind of interesting, outside

of the norm. But yeah, I thought he was pretty

good at it. How about yourself? I thought I liked

him as what I remember as a kid watching this

I liked him like I don't know if I related to

him necessarily at all, but I just kind of liked

him I liked his the humor that was involved with

him like especially the scene where he first

is like he's suspicious about the turtles being

and April's and You know, there's the scene where

he brings over the pizza for no reason and just

trying to find him and stuff like that So I thought

he added a decent amount of humor that wasn't

super cheesy, but it does I never thought of

it, but you hit that right on point as far as

like Casey Jones and Keno are the difference

between the first and second movie like they

embody the field the atmosphere the Everything

about what each movie kind of stands for I guess

but I'm surprised that You know, we got a bunch

of cartoons. We've had a ton of reboot cartoons

for the turtles, right? Like there's been I don't

know at least four or five different series if

not more since then and we've had different movies

Are you surprised that keno makes z according

to what i read unless i'm wrong that he's made

zero appearances in any other media of turtles

i'm surprised he's ever showed up in the comics

like i i've read a little bit of the comics on

like everything so he might have maybe maybe

he's shown up in the comics but i know i from

what i read he hasn't shown up in any of the

tv series or future movies or anything which

the movies doesn't surprise me but the tv series

That's the animated stuff. I would have thought

they would have worked even like even for like

turtles forever or something like that Yeah,

i'm surprised right that would have been a cool

nod in that movie for sure, you know toker and

razor They do make their appearance in the complex.

Um, but yeah, I don't know I don't know maybe

because it's an actual person and it's a little

harder to like use his likeness compared to Yeah,

I could see that So what we haven't talked to

about yet was shredder so obviously in shred

in the first movie shredder is crunched by the

garbage thing we only see this helmet crunch

so you're always like is he dead or is he coming

back you know we're pretty sure he's coming back

but whatever so we see him emerge with I guess

a little bit more scarred up faces he's got a

resharpen is. Blades on his suit and things of

that nature. What did you think of them bringing

shredder back for the second movie? What did

you think of the metamorphosis from shredder

to super shredder? That caught me a little bit

off guard when I was a kid. I remember seeing

that and being like, you know, I don't know if

I thought it was good or bad, but I just remember

it was like super shredder. Like that's the name

we're going with. I don't know. But what did

you think of everything involving shredder? And

I guess Kevin Nash. get into a cameo in this.

I think it makes sense to bring him back for

sure, especially in the second film. The super

shredder thing is interesting. As a kid, I did

remember it really freaked me out a bit, although

I didn't realize how much taller he was. I don't

think I ever really like I knew he had a bunch

of I think I was just more distracted by the

spikes. But I think if anything, even as a kid,

I was like disappointed in how he lost. It's

like he just knocks things over like this seems

a little bit. Well, it wasn't just that. It's

like not only are you just knocking things over,

but like you become super shredder and then bring

the whole place down on top of yourself. It definitely

feels like I don't know how to end this. I'll

just pull Samson and then that'll be good. I

did think it would make me think of the water

levels in the video game and how hard those were.

I thought it makes sense to bring it back. The

Super Shredder thing, I think it was an interesting

idea that I didn't really take much advantage

of. Poor Cap 'n Ash. Quick death from Kevin Nash.

What did you think of the whole? Obviously this

movie is entitled the secret of views. We haven't

talked about that. So we're gonna deal with this

ooze We're gonna deal with the fact that you

know, this is something from the beginning We're

gonna use it on token razor. We're gonna use

it on super shredder We have a whole scientist

that we bring in as a part of that with Perry

professor Jordan Perry of TGRI What did you think

of that whole aspect of the film? I was actually

going to ask you, like, do you know what the

secret was? Because I feel like I don't really

know what the secret of the use was beyond it's

just an evil corporation that used it and then.

The biggest thing I thought about too was the

which kind of shows how this movie works Is the

scene where they go into the lab building or

whatever to get the ooze the turtles? And then

the foot comes back to attack them, which I get

but why do they bring the ooze with them? They've

already taken it like why do they need right

seems like a really bad plan here so like you

got to enjoy the like Keep away game. That's

basically the football game. That's that's breaking

out even though it led to some like kind of cheesy

moments and whatnot that you're like, I don't

know if that's exactly how that works. As far

as the the way things are getting thrown around

and how much it survives as far as not breaking

and things of that nature. Yeah, the secret of

those is interesting. Like we're going to title

the movie The Secret of the Ooze. And I guess

the ooze plays a big part, but I don't know if

there was much secret about it. Like the secret

that that's how the turtles became the turtles.

It doesn't it's not treated much as a secret,

I guess, for us, for the audience. I mean, like

I get like the people in the movie. Aren't aware

of those and aren't aware of what it's capabilities

are except for a few select people and that's

why it's you know the keep away game is and and

suing and things of that nature before the audience

there like there's not much of a secret going

on here. We're all going to call out showed effects

like on the plants and things like that yes example

of like it's impact so yeah I definitely had

me thinking of the comic books the new IDW series

which. Added a lot more to like why the turtles

became the turtles like they're dealing with

reincarnation so I don't know if they saw that

like let's expand upon it, but It comes off as

a movie that certainly had they had certain ideas

They wanted to get to and they're like, okay

Let's just get there whatever way we can kids

are just gonna kids are just trying to have fun

And that's not think too hard about it And I

think if like that's the kind of mindset you

go into there's plenty to enjoy the reason why

it's probably Not as good for me is because when

you compare it to the previous film, they were

able to kind of hit both a little bit more successfully.

So be a good movie and still kind of stay true

to the turtles that many kids knew. Yeah, they

don't take any time to breathe in this film.

It feels like it's like they're going right from

one thing into another. They're going from joke

to fight, like I said before, to joke to fight,

to just passing something that's going to pass

the story along. And we didn't get that pause

like we did in the first one, especially with

the farm sequences where we really get to Spend

some time and Chew on you know, the turtles personalities

and and some of the inner workings of their relationships

and things like that Like you still feel that

the turtles are a group you still feel I guess

that they're brothers but it doesn't hit that

you're really getting the Fact that they have

a history together that they are brothers that

they quarrel like brothers do you don't have

that in this one where I mean, I mean Raphael

does go on his own a little bit still so he does

play the rebellious turtle slightly, but they

don't do it like they do in the first one where

I just really got that like, yes, that's how

brothers act with each other type thing. It was

where we're a band of brothers, but it's not

like brother brothers that we're used to in a

familial sense. So I thought that was missing

big time in this one. And it just felt like because

of that, there's just less depth to this movie

overall. Yeah, I think depth is a good point

because I do think there's less I don't say I

hate to use stakes because people overuse that

but you know, you don't have that scene where

you feel scared for them as much because They

typically undercut it with jokes and stuff like

that, which I guess it's a kids film You know

complete people usually make with the Marvel

movies, which I don't think is always founded

But I think you could say some things here, but

I also think it it's at least consistent throughout

But like the characters don't have as much journey

to go on on Like, even Raphael, he kind of just

does what he did last time, and I get that's

his character, but it's not as interesting to

see him, oh, he's going off on his own again.

When he did it last time, it cost him, like it,

you know, people got really hurt, and here it's,

you know, they kind of just got away. I will

say, though, one thing that I did love about

this was the base is like one of the best movie

bases ever, like this underground subway thing.

That is pretty cool. I think that's definitely

where they certainly spent a lot of their money.

Yeah, I do remember liking the base a lot and

I think going back to your point on Raphael in

the first movie It's like multi multi -layered

I don't know I'm using the words layers and depth

with a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie But

you to get it because you get the interactions

between Raphael and Casey Jones Which is one

side you get the interactions between Raphael

and Leonardo on another side and it really Two

different ways to show a little bit of depth

of that character and you also like we said we

get Times in the first movie where someone is

hurt Whether it be one of the foot people whether

it be re Raphael, you know, there's times where

it's like who like there was an effect there

was a there was a Like you said stakes there

was something that happened where it's like it

wasn't just fun and games. Where is this one?

I've never even once Thought anybody was hurt.

I don't remember at least watching this film

thinking even if it was a risk token razor when

they first show up, it's kind of like oh no,

and then they're They put them to sleep or whatever.

So right there, babies. Plus you have like, it's

hard to like plush that huge accent set piece.

You have finalize in the background around and

go into the ninja go, which like I said, as a

kid, I loved it and it's, you know, it pretty

much encapsulates everything in the movie is

so that if you dig that, I think it's going to,

you know, work with you. Yeah, definitely got

to enjoy the music and how many I'm not. I'm

sure this happened before this as well. But how

many times since have we seen a movie where there's

like They're at a concert or they're at a mosh

pit style thing or a big crowded thing where

there's people fighting or being killed like

Or running through the crowd that we just saw

it in John wick Like they they just did a similar

thing. I know we're comparing two things that

aren't anywhere Like each other at all, but it's

just like a thing on what movie would be great

But it seems like it's just a thing now. That's

like just an accepted I don't know if tropes

the right word but thing in in cinema where There's

a big concert hall or a big outdoor venue or

something like that And we have people fighting

as they run through the crowd or in a room off

to the side or in the basement or in the upstairs

It's just like a thing that happens I'm not saying

turtles invented that but it's just I've noticed

it a lot more in the last like five to ten years

fifteen years or whatever Yeah i think the music

is great no no kid that saw this wasn't singing

go ninja go ninja go after. As far as a critical

response obviously the critics are gonna like

a movie based on turtles most of the time so

it got a thirty five percent on rotten tomatoes

currently from forty three critics and metacritic

i think forty five out of one hundred what do

you think of kind of the critical reception obviously

we say that it's not quite as good as the first

one in our adult selves. But what do you think

overall was the film successful are critics?

Incapable of viewing things like this for what

they are I think I think a little bit I I kind

of get it if you're comparing it to the last

film of not giving it a positive review I mentioned

I watched this with my my son who's Eight now

just turned eight. Um, and he loved it and like

He doesn't love everything that from that time

period or even you know, people's like oh kids

like everything It's not true. Believe me. Uh,

so but it really you know, it captured his imagination.

So Because of the constant jokes just the the

humor it certainly hits that age group So I think

it's successful for the most part at what it

tries to do It's just not necessarily trying

to do anything. That is that as difficult or

as challenging as the first one yeah, a couple

things that were said they Some of them were

talking about the violence. Some of them are

talking about juvenile dialogue This one's calling

the turtles port role models. I don't I never

thought that I never the the the the down the

road and they made a ralph nader joke and i was

like what is this about they do have a lot of

old reference even in the first film there's

a lot of like uh as a kid like i don't think

because they you know reference things like multis

falcon falcon and stuff like that as a kid if

you didn't get the reference that's fine because

you just got them being I didn't even yet. I

didn't even know that it happened until I watched

it this last time. I was like, what? Did I just

hear that right? I think this review sums it

up for me. It says that this lacks the darkness

and subtlety that makes the first film so good

and so adult, but it's simplified plot and gags

will appear to the appeal to the under towns.

Yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it. Yeah,

so this was the second film in the trilogy. And

after this one, we get a. Totally different.

Look at things in a way. Turtles 3 was going

to come out in 1993. So that's the next one we

will cover. Any final thoughts on this one and

what's your anticipation of rewatching the third

one if you haven't already? I haven't yet and

I'm really scared because like this was my idea.

Me too. I was like, hey, you want to do this?

Now I'm like, I'm feeling really bad because

we have to watch this bad movie. I mean, it can't

be as bad as some of those movies we watch for

video game, you know, the video game marathon.

Right. I remember even as a kid. How many times

have you seen the third once I saw as a kid?

I got the VHS from like a local McDonald's video

and that wasn't it was a name of it was a people's

last name not like Right And I remember even

as a kid like thinking like this isn't I don't

know if I was just over the turtles at that point

because they weren't as popular with at least

for me by 93 but remember as a kid I never watched

it again. So it's been At this point it's been

20 30 man been 30 years since I've seen it so

See this is the interesting thing is the cartoon

starts in like 87, right? But not a whole lot

of episodes. So it's really hitting its stride

in 89 and the first movie comes out of 90 This

film comes out in 91. It's probably never As

far as this era the turtles are probably never

higher as far as as popularity goes then they

are in the 90 91 era Because if you're thinking

about 93 the movie comes out in 93 so that the

series has been out for like six years now And

it was just I think just naturally it was sort

of on the decline We're getting into a different

decade and things are just changing but it's

also I feel like it's a bad movie But that's

based on like you one viewing of it. I've never

watched I don't believe I've ever seen this movie

a second time It's just something that I saw

once and was like this isn't what I wanted That's

it for me so like the suits just looking really

weird and funky and like I can't it just doesn't

compute so. It seemed like it did I think that

a lot of franchises feel like they need to do

especially that maybe that era was like oh we

need to do time travel. The back to the future

thing happened and all I don't know it's a bizarre

thing because like you already have enough weird

stuff going on with turtles. Yeah it doesn't

feel like. Trying to save money that seems like

a weird weird choice, but I don't know Maybe

they had a bunch of yeah left over Samurai stuff

They had to use like this will work for turtles

if I feel like if I could go back I'd be like

can I give you guys all some advice like you're

already dealing with four people in costumes?

That are hard to make believable stop adding

extra stuff on top of it like we don't need token

razor We don't need time travel just focus on

doing that thing good that you were doing and

put a bunch more human -like characters around

them I don't know But we will see how it goes.

I could be completely thrown off. I haven't seen

this movie in a long, long, long time. Like,

I don't I didn't see this third one in theater

for 100 percent sure. It wasn't directed in VHS.

Maybe maybe that's maybe that's why. So I maybe

I might not have even seen this movie in 1993.

Like it might have been mid 90s by the time I

saw this. So it's it's hard to say, but it's

at least been 25 to 30 years. So. Am interested

to see where this one goes and then obviously

that'll be the end of the trilogy and we'll have

a completely different Direction to go with some

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Solo. That's it for this episode. We'll come

back next time. We'll talk about Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles 3 and hopefully survive as we journey

through the Turtles franchise here on this video.