The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Review

Today on MY Weekly, we'll be discussing the future

of Wolverine, how Daredevil fits into the Marvel

Universe, the big Star Wars casting announcement,

and our main attraction, The Amazing Spider -Man

2. All that and more coming up on MY Weekly.

As I said, welcome to MWire Weekly. I'm here

off from a solo with, as usual, Nate. Hello.

Hello. And Matt. Hi. And we are here to talk

about movies. And we're going to start like we

do every week, talking about the box office from

this past weekend. And there should be no surprise

as far as who came in number one for the weekend.

That would of course be the amazing Spider -Man

2 with 92 million dollars. And it's not a shabby

weekend. Pretty um a little bit of a surprise

maybe in the two and three spots although The

other woman beat Captain America last week. I

didn't know if I was expecting it to beat it

again so the other woman comes in at number two

and Heaven is for real actually stays at number

three with Captain America the winter soldier

falling from the second spot all the way down

to the fourth spot and that is obviously a direct

correlation with the release of the amazing spider

-man and Basically competing against the same

type of movie there um rio two rounds up the

top five there uh any surprises from you guys

looking at the box office overall for this last

weekend yeah i was surprised captain america

went so low yeah 52 drop for captain america

uh... down uh... just about just under eight

million uh... luckily it's already made two hundred

thirty seven million so it's okay it'll do fine

i'm not i'm not too surprised and considering

the other women in heavens for real are not drawing

the same crowds than those other two so it makes

sense i guess it would have been interesting

to see what kind of Numbers Captain America would

have done overall without the Amazing Spider

-Man coming out this week and without X -Men

coming out in a couple weeks Because it kind

of bastardized the results a little bit of Captain

America I would expect but Maybe with I don't

know if I don't know what the trend is with superhero

films I would have to go back and do some research

as far as how long They maintain that or if it's

more just very top -heavy with those first couple

opening weekends I don't know. I'm going to have

to stay to do the majority of their business

in that first week to two weeks. Big drop for

brick mansions, 62 % drop. And a big drop for

transcendence went from sixth last week down

to 13th this week, just barely making a million

dollars. The box office chart is a tale of two

stories here, because if you look at the first

Five or six movies, basically most of them are

successes. Amazing Spider -Man is going to be

a success. The Other Woman did better than they

probably thought it would. Heaven and It's For

Real has done fantastic. Captain America did

fantastic. Rio will stay on the charts probably

for another five to ten weeks, so it's going

to be fine. Divergent was great, Box Office was

great, God's Not Dead did good. So I mean there's

a lot of good ones in this story and then you

kind of get down a little bit and you see kind

of the Box Office flop pattern from way earlier

in the year with Transcendence not doing well.

Noah, I don't think that's a fair one to put

in that category because I think it'll do fine

once you... factoring overseas and everything

else. That one's not too far off, but Transcendence

you can definitely add to the collection of crap

that came out at the beginning of the year apparently.

Brick Mansion is only halfway to its budget.

Yeah, that's the one that's kind of sticking

out that's probably not coming out at a good

time. Yeah, it's sad end to Paul Walker. And

then as far as some milestones go, obviously

Amazing Spider -Man 2 will bounce past 100 million

here in a day or two. Rio 2 just passed the 100

million mark. And Noah probably will pass the

100 million mark in a week to two weeks. Other

than that, not a lot of huge ones. Frozen is

still out in the theaters for the 24th week in

a row. So you got that going for it. Anything

you guys saw that you wanted to bring up? Any

surprises All right, and then looking at the

the yearly Trends so far obviously the Lego movie

is still reigning supreme at top at top spot

with 252 million Captain America is just right

behind it at 237 might have a tough time catching

it though Then divergent ride along and mr. Peabody

and Sherman the amazing spider -man 2 will probably

be in the list next week What do you think the

Amazing Spider -Man 2 budget is? That's surprising

that it's not on there. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm

sure we could find that information. It's weird

that it doesn't have that listed there. It'll

be interesting to see how close Amazing Spider

-Man 2 can come to Captain America and if it

beats it overall in the year or if it doesn't.

Because I assume it will beat everything else

that's on the yearly list outside of possibly

Captain America and the LEGO movie. So we will

have to wait and see on that. Getting into our

headlines, we don't have a ton of news for you.

We're going to spend a majority of our time today

talking about the main attraction, The Amazing

Spider -Man 2, but we do have a few headlines

that we need to talk about real quickly. Mad

Max, there's a news story out there about basically

a new synopsis for the Mad Max Fury Road movie.

Not that it's a surprise synopsis. I mean, guess

what? It's a post -apocalyptic film. With a desert

landscape where humanity is broken and Everyone

is crazed fighting for the necessities of life.

It sounds just like all the other Mad Max stuff,

so I don't This is a turn for the worst for the

Mad Max franchise And basically talks about there

being two people Tom Hardy, which is Mad Max

and Furiosa played by Charlize Theron I don't

know nothing nothing Groundbreaking out of this

to see they're doing what they should do with

Mad Max What Nate you have do you like you like

the Mad Max franchise don't you I've only seen

the first one but yeah Wow So different from

the other ones. Yeah, it's like really apocalyptic

if yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah Well, we'll

have to watch all those before this one comes

out It is on the coffee table already. As far

as a Bond headline here, Sam Mendes explains

why he's returning for Bond 24. Basically hoping

to complete the story started by Skyfall. You

know, they did something a little bit different

with Skyfall because we had Quantum of Solace

and Casino Royale which basically immediately

took like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace

had no time in between the two films as far as

the story goes. It picked up immediately and

then with Skyfall we kind of had a break and

we got to see them a little bit advanced as far

as the history of stuff goes. We have obviously

a bunch of new cast members that appeared in

Skyfall and a lot of people love Skyfall. So

Sam Mendes is obviously looking to continue and

maybe finish a few of the storylines that he

started with that. I have no problem with that

because I really like Skyfall so he can keep

doing them. Did you guys see Skyfall? No in theaters,

what did you think? Well, okay, so I have one

weird problem because it's like with the quantum

of solace and casino royale It seemed like it

was a reboot like a literal reboot like this

is bond at its first year Which I liked I liked

it, you know, cuz it felt rougher around the

edges with Skyfall I thought it was supposed

to be just like year two but like there's that

moment where it's like you're too old to be And

it's like, whoa, wait, no, he's like, what is

he, like 25? Like how old is he supposed to be?

You know, I don't know where he's at. So there

was that weirdness. Other than that, my one other

complaint was they had a character that was totally

supposed to be Sean Connery. Like absolutely,

like he's like an old Scotsman. He's from Bond's

past. He's supposed to be Sean Connery. They

didn't get Sean Connery. My guess is, cause you

know, there's been a lot of really negative.

rumors about his deteriorating health. So he

probably could not do it, but it was totally

supposed to be Sean Connery, and if they had

gotten it, that would have made that movie almost

perfect. Other than that, it was a very fun movie,

and Daniel Craig might be my favorite bond. Yeah,

he does a good job with the role, that's for

sure. I read another article this last week,

it's not anything to do with headlines or anything

here, but where Pierce Brosnan was saying that

when he... Watches his performance as bond like

in films now that he's embarrassed as to how

he portrayed the the character and with the films

in general I don't know if that's just him being

super critical of himself And I know a lot of

people have problems watching themselves, but

he said he wasn't happy with with how he played

bond My girlfriend really hates the Pierce Brosnan

Bond. He was the first one I ever saw. I didn't

see the original ones. She calls him the suave

robot. He's not very rough. He's not Bond -like.

He's like the suave guy, which I thought was

what Bond was supposed to be when I first saw

it. I like that style of movie. If he kept playing

his Bond -like characters in other movies, I'd

be happy with it. I just guess it is weird for

that franchise, the way he played the character.

Yeah, I'm with you. That's the way I kind of

first was initiated into the Bond franchise,

so that's kind of just how I expected it was

always done. I'm like, oh, he seems to have that,

right? Yeah. But yeah, definitely a different

look in these newer Bonds, and I'm not opposed

to it. Shifting gears to the comic book world

here for a little bit. The future of Wolverine.

Hugh Jackman says that if there is a Wolverine

3, that he's 99 .9 % sure that that would be

the last time something like that happens with

him. Obviously, he's aging. The character's aging.

He's aging. And I don't know how much more they

can really do with that character. But according

to Jackman, he's ambitious. He thinks there's

still some stuff that they can do with that character.

So possibly one more Wolverine film. What do

you guys think of? His version of Wolverine and

the future. What should the future be of that

character Nate? Um, I don't know. I just don't

want to see another reboot of Wolverine and like

You know two years after he's done. That'll be

annoying See, I guess my point would be that

we don't necessarily we don't need a reboot like

we don't need Like that would be not only his

appearance as an X -Men, but it would be the

three different Wolverine films like I'd Don't

need to see any more Wolverine You wanted to

be like Channing Tatum as Wolverine, but they

just haven't they just keep going like they just

pretend that he's he's been Wolverine all No,

I'm just I'm just saying hey Yeah, I'm with Kevin.

We don't need more Wolverine. Although once once

the kids of today grow up to be about 25 30 We're

gonna see a ton of Avengers reboots And like

x -men reboots and everything like that My question

is are they gonna reboot it or are they just

going to recast those roles and just keep going?

That's the question. Yeah, I think the trend

seems to be that they reboot things Yeah, yeah,

I mean like I don't have enough faith that they'll

come up with new stories We'll just be like let's

do another origin That sells well Yeah, I mean,

I get that maybe eventually someone else will

have to play Wolverine, but I think if they do

that, it would have to be a long time down the

road because it's going to be hard to beat Hugh

Jackman as Wolverine. He really has done that

character the best it's been done. Right. That's

like having some other old guy eventually trying

to play Xavier. Like, no. It's going to be sad

days when that does happen. Yeah. So I'm fine

with them. I mean, there's plenty of other X

-Men they can do films off of. We don't need

any more Wolverine. I mean, if we get another

one that's just yet another movie that's plenty,

people can move on and get interested in other

characters. How would you feel if the guy that

plays young Charles Xavier just grew up naturally

to be old and they shaved his head? Well, like

I said, that would be like 60 years from now.

So I'll be dead, so that'll be fine. Kevin not

gonna make it to a hundred. I don't know if I'll

be so see now that I'll probably think it is

Patrick Stewart still so I don't know And how

will daredevil fit in with the whole Marvel Universe

now that they have the the property back in there.

The article that came out this last week basically

said that there's going to be a TV show about

Daredevil, which we kind of discussed before,

that will be set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

and it will tell the street level stories. How

do you feel about that concept, Matt? I actually

brought that up last week, so just go listen

to that. For those that didn't listen to last

week. I like that idea, I hope. Uh, two things.

One, since it's a TV show, so they're going to

have a lot more time than a movie. I want them

to definitely do crazy old daredevil yellow costume.

Um, cause it's hilarious. And you can make a

comment like, man, he's wearing a yellow costume.

One of the blind. Um, there, I wrote your first,

I wrote your pilot. Um, but they're going to

do it. You know they are. I want the what I call

the Hell's Kitchen Marvel Knights, which would

be Daredevil, Iron Man, Power Fist. Yeah, Iron

Man, Power Fist. No, Power Man, Iron Fist. Always

get that wrong. And then I'll get Dagger. I want

those five characters, and so getting Daredevil

a TV show is the first step in the right direction.

So I'm looking forward to it, and it can't be

worse than the movie. And for those of you that

missed the initial story that we did, that's

going to be a Netflix series, and it's supposed

to be starting at some point in 2015. Nate, what

are your feelings on Daredevil? I don't know.

I don't have a lot of frame of reference for

Daredevil. I haven't really read any of the comics.

I haven't seen the Ben Affleck movie. What? You

haven't seen the Ben Affleck movie? No, I don't

know. It's actually not terrible. It gets a lot

of... I think it's better than people say We

find out more films that one of us hasn't seen

during the course of these podcasts It's always

me But but Nate if we if you've rattled off all

the films that that you have seen then then I

would be in your shoes and I'd be like I haven't

seen that I don't know what that is As far as...

We got to get you seeing what had American Summer.

True. As far as sequels and remakes, we just

got two to talk about. We all kind of were surprised,

well, I don't know if you guys were, but Dan

and I were surprised last year at how well Olympus

Has Fallen did. We had White House, Don, and

Olympus Has Fallen both coming out in the same

year. We thought, again, two movies trying to

tackle the same subject. It's kind of like Die

Hard in the White House. But we were surprised

at how well Olympus Has Fallen did and I did

enjoy that film. Apparently now it needs a sequel

then and that sequel will be entitled London

Has Fallen. That's cool. So we're just gonna

take Gerard Butler and throw him in London and

then tell the same film, same movie apparently.

That's the same plot as The Muppets too. They're

like, what do we do? What's that? It says taken

to as well. Same thing over. So yeah, so expect

the exact same movie set in London. Go to Europe.

Yeah. And the other kind of, I guess you can

call it a reboot of such here. The Phantom poised

for a big screen return. The Phantom shall rise

again. The Mark Gordon company has secured the

rights to bring the Phantom back to the big screen.

Nate, I know you have comments on that. Yes,

I really enjoy the 1996 Phantom movie. It was

great. We have to see that. That's in the watch

list. It is. Yeah. Matt, do you like the 96 Phantom?

Would you be looking forward to a new one? I

haven't seen it. Yes. I'm not going to say no

to any superhero movie, because it's kind of

a superhero. It's a comic book movie, at least.

And doubly so for any older stuff or more pulpier

stuff. Yeah, it's super like, I mean, it's a

90s comic movie, so it's got the right level

of cheese. It's got a nice layer of cheese on

it. Delicious. It's got Billy Zane overacting

and stuff. It's great. As far as the casting

news goes, apparently the next Terminator movie,

Terminator Genisys, is going to have a thousand

people in it because I swear every other week

there's a new casting news headline about this

film. And the latest I guess is more up your

guys's alley because it's about Doctor Who star

Matt Smith playing a major role in Terminator

Genisys. And that he will also appear in its

sequels because apparently there's already gonna

be sequels of this Why not I don't even know

what terminated Genesis is now is that I thought

is that a reboot is that a sequel What says Genesis

so you would think it would be a prequel? Yeah,

well, maybe it's gonna be the Genesis of the

machines. We haven't seen the actual No, that

was salvation wasn't it? I haven't seen that

one, but I think that that one should have been

called Genesis, and the next one should have

been Salvation. No, it's actually just Sarah

Connor's mom and dad going out on a date, and

they go to a Genesis concert. Oh, that'd be great.

They get Phil Collins to play himself. But then

a robot shows up, and it's going to be a comedy.

He's going to be chasing him, but he slips on

a banana peel and doesn't get to him. Yeah. Why?

Yeah, sure. And for those of you who haven't

been keeping track, Game of Thrones director

Alan Taylor is heading up the sequel, which,

crazy, that Game of Thrones star Emilia Clarke

is going to play Sarah Connor. And then we have

Jason Clarke as John Connor, Jake Courtney as

Kyle Reese, Arnold Schwarzenegger will be involved,

and Matt Smith will be playing an unknown role

at this point. I want him to play a villain.

That's all I want. I could see that. I've never

seen him play a villain. I've never seen him

in like one other thing. What? If he doesn't

play a silly role, I think it's gonna be awkward.

I don't know if I could take him seriously anymore.

Yeah, we'll see. Maybe he has range. Oh, that'd

be something to see. And in the other casting

news, apparently Tim Blake Nelson has landed

himself the role of the eccentric and socially

awkward scientist Harvey Elder, aka Mole Man,

in the Fantastic Four franchise. Now, the thought

there as far as the article goes is that... He

won't be like the actual villain since we have

Dr. Doom in the 2015 film, but he will be something

that might be a character that might be seen

that would then play a role as a villain in one

of the future Fantastic Four films. What are

your guys thoughts of Mole Man being involved

in this new Fantastic Four kind of reboot? I

don't know who Mole Man is, so I can't comment

on it. He's a man that lives in the earth. You

go Matt He's actually in fantastic for number

one in 1964 I believe he was the very first villain

they ever fought and they defeated him permanently

because he had a drilling moloid like a Some

sort of sub training creature that could dig

through mountains and stuff and he was chasing

the badass before and they Sealed the cave behind

them. So he'll never come out And that's how

the first issue of Save Fantasy 4 ends. And it's

just like, no, he had a drilling Moloid. Like,

it's going to just drill through that cave -in.

And then they don't address it for, like, ten

issues. Because Stanley is a genius. No, he's

a guy who's, like, shunned. Like, he looks ugly

and I guess he asks the girl out and then gets

shunned and he's, like, a science super, like,

push up his glasses. I'm a nerd! And then, uh,

so he flees. to the subterranean depths and then

finds a people called the Moloids who are all

living there and then becomes their king. He's

actually, you know, if they were like, hey, I

want you to write and direct the Fantastic Four

movies for a reboot, he would be the first villain

I'd do because I think, you know, we're seeing

the Godzilla trailers where Pacific Rim did well.

I think a giant monster might work well and they

haven't done that in... superhero movie yet so

that'd be a good take and then also you could

do slight origin story of having Victor Von Doom

but not Doctor Doom and I think that's how I

would do it so I think that they're making a

bad call doing it Doctor Doom then Mole Man rather

than Mole Man then Doctor Doom but I'm glad that

they're gonna do it because the other one didn't

and he's like one of their classic villains So

apparently the people in charge of the new Fantastic

Four reboot should reach out to Matt and redo

their plan because I'm agreeing with him more

than I'm agreeing with anything I've seen about

Fantastic Four so far. Seriously, I'll pay you

to do it. You don't even have to pay me. I'll

just give you my ideas and money and then you

can do it. The biggest casting news of course

from this past week is all about Star Wars with

a major casting announcement about Star Wars

Episode VII. The people named, not that people

don't know this already, but John Boyega, Daisy

Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, who is most

notably seen this last year in Inside Lewin Davis,

Andy Serkis, Don Hall Gleeson, and Max Vansito.

For those who don't know who Max Vansito is,

Don't know if I'm saying his last name correctly

or not, but he was in the extreme extremely loud

and incredibly close Back in 2011 and to me.

He that was one of the best performances of that

year I absolutely love him so I can totally see

him playing one of the the elder gentleman that

apparently is gonna Have a role somewhere in

Star Wars episode 7 Andy circus. I'm a big fan

of and Oscar Isaac I'm a big fan of I'm not as

familiar with the rest of them, so we'll have

to see but obviously they're joining Harrison

Ford Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels,

Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker as the return stars.

No mention of Billy Dee Williams. I'm sorry,

people. But what do you guys think? And does

any of those names excite you about Star Wars

Episode VII, Matt? I'm not going to lie. I'm

currently Googling all of them. I think Daisy

Ridley could be interesting. She's cute. Yeah,

I don't know. And also, Downhall Gleason. He

looks hilarious. I get that. I hope against hope

that John Boyega is Lando's son and that they

include Lando. Or, you know, not a son and they

just include Lando. Although I kind of want that

John Boyega is Lando's son and Daisy Ridley is

Leia's daughter. Like, you know, and then down

on police and could be Luke's son and then like

and then we get like hey, it's the kids. Um,

and it's fun That's what I was the new class.

Yeah Yeah, we're I Forgot but Adam driver was

also in the inside Llewyn Davis So apparently

there was a fan of inside Llewyn Davis in the

casting department because they got Oscar Isaac

and Adam driver I'm interested to see what kind

of Roy circus plays in this He's gonna play that

guy who really wants the lightsaber. He's gonna

do all the motion capture for everybody in the

entire film. That's not good. So we'll see what

happens. Nate, what are you thinking about the

amount of people that are returning from the

old cast and any of these new guys? I don't know.

Any circus sounds cool. I like him a lot. That's

about it. I don't really know any of the new

people that are coming on I haven't really seen

too many movies with them in it. You guys know

Max Vansito if you saw him, I think Probably

I'm looking at him Maybe not, but he's been in

a few films Yeah, I mean I was surprised that

they were I thought Peter maybe I'm incorrect.

I thought Peter Mayhew was Not doing as well

Age wise and health wise but he must be doing

fine because he's gonna get the season Did he

sign on for three movies he sent up for at least

one? I don't know if any of them signed on for

more than one I thought Harrison Ford legit said

I only want to do one and I want Han Solo to

die So that no one can do them after me, but

I could be wrong. I that was a rumor I had heard

I don't know if that was legit I also heard a

rumor that he was out of all the returning cast

members that he was gonna play the biggest role

in this film He's one of the coolest characters

in the whole series. Yeah, so I have no problem

with that either. All right, so that does it

for the casting call. Going on to trailer talk

a little bit, we had a few trailers released

this last week. Road Diploma, Half of the Yellow

Sun, Lullaby, The Salvation, a new one for Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles, a new one for The Fault

in Our Stars, a new one for Godzilla, and then

they came together, all cheerleaders die. Yes,

all cheerleaders die and what we do in the shadows.

Nate, I know a bunch of those appeal to you.

Which one do you want to start with? Well, let's

just get the... Let's actually talk about Godzilla.

Godzilla, this new trailer actually looks a lot

better than the last trailer. They're showing

a lot more of the monsters and it looks like

an actual monster movie instead of like... we

can vaguely see them let's send in the military

and then have like most of you know the story

take place on the ground with people like I don't

know I feel like you I feel like you go see a

Godzilla movie to see Godzilla you know yeah

I mean it it's yeah it's looking a lot better

than than what I originally thought Yeah, I think

I think they they definitely picked a good time

to do one off coming off the heels of Pacific

Rim and whatnot and I think everyone's all about

big giant monsters and stuff like that so I can

see that I've never been a huge Godzilla fan,

so I May not go see it. I guess but I'm not gonna

be like overly excited about it What's next Nate?

The Salvation I am just a huge fan of Western

so I'm I want to see that movie. We'll probably

not get in where we are but you know I want to

see it Nothing really too like cool about the

trailer to really talk about other than It looks

like a really solid Western and I'm just I don't

know Maybe it's just the landscapes or something

that I'm into. I just love seeing it I think

it looks interesting that has the interesting

cast. So I'll be I'll be looking for more on

that one Keep going all right, man the T's Union

turtles had like three more shots of the turtles,

and Megan Fox still didn't say anything. I was

going to say that. I was going to be like, we

still have yet to see Megan Fox have a line.

Yeah. What else will pique my interest? They

Came Together is a film by David Wayne. Am I

saying that right? Michael. No. Yeah, David Wayne

and Michael Showalter. And it stars Paul Rudd

and Amy Poehler. And that looks really cool.

It's basically like the whole cast of Wet Hot

American Summer doing a romantic comedy spoof.

I hate to call it a spoof because spoof movies

has gotten such a bad rap, but it is a spoof

movie. And I really like Wet Hot American Summer,

so I'm looking forward to that one. And which

one are you looking forward to more than any

of them? Probably what we do in the shadows that

looks awesome. It's like a it's like the office

with vampires is how I saw it And that for people

that don't know is from the creators of the flight

of the concords yes stars Jermaine Clement and

It does look funny. It's about three Vampires

basically that are sharing a flat And then a

fourth one that eventually comes in and it's

just I don't know it looks hilarious Will be

a fan of that, but I doubt it'll come to us Yeah,

it's too small. I don't know. We're not getting

anything and it's sad Amazing I will say that

half of the yellow Sun definitely has the potential

to be a buzz -worthy film Yeah dramatic topic

there some big -name stars like swaddle edgy

of four and Again, I never know how to say his

name and some other people lullaby if you want

to be depressed, I guess That's that's when you

can check out about a dad that is dying of cancer

and how the family copes with that Matt anyone's

that we miss that you wanted to bring up The

only one that you didn't bring up that I watched

was all to lose die which I could do with that

I don't know what the genre is like Comedy drama

horror action Yeah, yeah that looks like a train

wreck It might be some it might be good for some

cheap laughs It that might be a crappy movie

night movie The leading ladies are pretty I don't

know if they're good actresses probably not The

requirements were like you need to be pretty

and you're gonna die And you need to act like

a cheerleader Can you act like a cheerleader

and can you act like you're dying? There's a

little bit of everything though here that there

are some some Western some comedy some Superheroes

some drama. So, I mean check out the trailers.

There might be one or two that kind of tickle

your fancy there uh... so that's it for the news

segment like i said we're going to spend a good

chunk of time in our main attraction so after

the break we'll be starting our discussion on

the amazing spider -man 2 This is bigger than

you, Peter. I made a choice. This is my path.

Soon, everyone in the city... Alright, thanks

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main attraction this week on MYR Weekly. But

before we get to Amazing Spider -Man 2, a quick

discussion of any of the films that we saw this

past week. I know together we saw Amazing Spider

-Man 1. We will hold off on talking about that

for a minute. But any of the other films that

we saw this week that we want to bring up. Nate,

what did you see this last week? I'm actually

looking all that stuff up right now, because

I have a terrible memory. He made a list, finally!

I know we watched, uh, we watched Gremlins. Yep.

Yep, and we watched World War Z and The Princess

Bride. Yes, we did all of that. Not bad. I forgot

about The Princess Bride. Nate, what was your

overall opinion on World War Z? I thought it

was a good, uh, zombie movie. Um, the only, there's

just the one element... Okay, first of all, it

had a lot of really cool ideas. I'm not going

to spoil any because Matt hasn't seen it. But

overall, really good. The one problem with it

was Brad Pitt decided not to work the whole movie.

He decided to just stand there and look at stuff.

And it was the most awkward thing ever. He was

like basically things would happen and he would

react to them the same way he would react to

like looking. far off in the distance and Seeing

someone walk across the street and be like, oh,

that's a guy I know you had that problem with

it I kind of didn't have that same issue with

Brad Pitt because I thought for me it made it

feel like it was more like an everyman type of

character in the film rather than have this like

We have a zombie movie and then all of a sudden

we're gonna have this like superhero person with

like I'm not saying he has to be a superhero

or anything. I'm just saying he has he didn't

have a personality Like he didn't but at the

same time. I'm not saying he had to be like Wisecrackin

or something like that. Yeah, like he didn't

have a have a specific personality. He just didn't

have anything at all He was a completely like

empty vessel character and I think that a lot

of times the everyman character gets mistaken

for a boring character Yeah, I can see that So

we'll have to wait until Matt sees that film

so he can give his interpretation on how he feels

Brad Pitt doesn't that one But I agree with you.

There's a lot of interesting elements to it.

It was a With a genre that's been done a lot

in the past five to ten years I thought they

they came up with some some clever and creative

things to make it feel like it wasn't Done over

and over again. Yeah, and also I haven't seen

I haven't read the book or anything So I know

like I'm pretty sure that didn't follow the book

at all But, you know, whatever. It kept the zombies.

It did that much. The three of us watched together,

Princess Bride. We'd all seen it before, with

the exception of Matt not remembering all of

it completely. So, Matt, now that you've had

a fresh watching of it, I know you're somewhat

tired towards the end, but what is your impression

of that film overall? It's the same impression

everyone has. It's a fun film, and it's great

for any day. Like, rainy afternoon, pop it in.

It's fun. It's great. It's got Freddie Savage,

who's one of our biggest fans. He's always commenting

on our stuff, and I'm sure it's the same guy.

And we did mention during that film that that

falls into the categories of a film that should

never be redone. Because you don't have Under

the Giants still Also, also I'd like to point

out it's a 98 minute movie completely Like fun

and entertaining the whole way through and it

didn't have like crazy plot twist Just super

good straightforward movie and they don't they

don't make them like that anymore. I feel like

that is for sure and You know the combination

of Colombo telling the story to Freddy Savage.

I mean come on Yeah. Let's see. Is there anything

else, Nate, that you saw that wasn't the Amazing

Spider -Man? Just the Grimlins we didn't really

touch on. We have a collection of the Grimlins,

the Goonies, and the Grimlins 2 in that order,

I guess. No. But the Goonies... You asked me,

Kevin, you asked me which one did I like better,

and definitely The Goonies is a better movie

than Gremlins. I haven't seen Gremlins 2 yet,

though. No, I haven't. And I don't know... Well,

you're still gonna think that The Goonies is

better, though. Okay, that's what I assumed,

yeah. Matt, anything that you saw over the course

of the week? Nope. I watched something like 90

% of the movies I watched with you two, so...

That's how we like it. Well... Convenient for

you guys not so much I just like watching movies

with you guys because I like getting your reactions

and and apparently you would like to watch films

with me unless Nathan's around to to spoil my

my comic book Ignorance Apology right now to

anyone who's following our live tweets all zero

of you I didn't ruin it. But for all the comic

book fans, they'll say the exact same thing that

Nate said. That storyline has been around for

40 years. It's the same. It's great because I'm

going to hate on Nate all day long for it, but

I did the exact same thing when they were talking

about Superman. Although mine was 60 to 70 years

old. Wait, what did you spoil with Superman?

Oh, I don't even remember. It was like, I don't

even know. Go go back. It was like three podcasts

ago. I spoiled the link to Superman. Papa Kent

dies. Oh, Matt might have been it. Although that

really didn't. Oh, no, it was it was Jor -El

dies. The one I spoiled because Papa Kent didn't

die until like 1998 and then he came back in

1999 because nobody dies in comics. Right. He

died in in the in the Richard Donner Superman

movie. He just like randomly is like walk in

and he's like, oh, my heart dead. Oh yeah, yeah

he did. Alright, so getting into Spider -Man

talk. First, we all rewatched The Amazing Spider

-Man 1. So just kind of getting the stage set

for our talk on Spider -Man 2. What, Matt, is

your overall thoughts and opinions on The Amazing

Spider -Man 1? And in rewatching it, did anything

change or how do you feel? I don't think my opinion

of it changed in any way. It was really just

a reminder of just how well some of the people

in that movie acted. I know Nate had a lot of

problems with it going in. Like before it ever

came out, like he had a lot of very negative

opinions. And I think that I could agree with

those negative opinions. And yet in spite of

them, I think it did admirably. And I think it's

the, it might be the best Spider -Man movie we

ever get. And that's. sad in and of itself, but

it was fun and I'm happy that we have it. What

were your favorite parts of or what they did?

What about Amazing Spider -Man 1 made you say

such good things about it being one of the possibly

the best Spider -Man films we ever had? Well,

first off, starting with Gwen Stacy instead of

Mary Jane. Since Gwen Stacy was a 70s, 80s character,

60s, 70s, 80s character, I think. So like starting

then where most of the people watching it are

like probably know the 90s Mary Jane Spider -Man

and again from the very popular cartoon so it's

like they're doing a story most people don't

know that they could avoid entirely but they

started right at the beginning and I love that

about it. Also the casting I think they don't

know if they could have cast anyone better than

that. And we'll get into those specific roles

as we talk about Amazing Spider -Man 2 and our

thoughts on those. Nate, obviously you had some

issues with the Amazing Spider -Man 1. What were

they? I guess, well, the issues I had with it

were mostly production -based. Sony made a movie

in haste because they had to keep the license.

that was kind of just my my worry about it and

I guess okay so I saw this in theaters when it

first came out and you know I was young and I

was I was in a different mood at the time and

just thinking everything needs to be like Batman

and everything needs to be more serious and more

logical And I I've grown up in the last two years

And and I don't know rewatching it. I think it's

a better movie than what I originally thought

That that said the crane scene still kind of

stupid Nate does not like the crane scene. It's

it's just it's silly, but you know I'm I'm more

accepting of silliness now. I like silliness,

it's fun. You're silly. I try to be. Overall,

how did you think of the Amazing Spider -Man

1 compared to the three Spider -Man we had before

that, Nate? I really, really, really, really

like Spider -Man 2. I think that one's better

than the Amazing Spider -Man 1 still, even though...

Think Andrew Garfield is a better Peter Parker

I think spider -man 2 is this more is a solid

movie is a more solid movie talking about Doc

Ock with the mini -son Yes, you might need to

rewatch that movie. I might I might again I I

haven't seen it actually in a few years. So yeah,

but I Don't know. I like it. I remember enjoying

it a lot I enjoyed it when it first came out,

but I think I've gotten over it and I like Willem

Dafoe He's great first movie. I wish they'd I

wish they'd brought him back. I mean they weren't

gonna but I wish they had But you got Tex Richmond

Richmond Spider -man as someone who doesn't isn't

a huge into comics not because I don't like the

characters and superheroes or whatnot. I just

never got into them. It's an expensive hobby.

Yeah. But growing up, Spider -Man was always

my favorite comic book character, even though

I really wasn't reading a lot of comics. But

I had the Spider -Man coloring books and stuff

like that. I really enjoyed the idea of Spider

-Man, even though I'm deathly afraid of spiders.

But I remember Even though I enjoyed when the

the other trilogy came out And I thought there

were some cool scenes and stuff like that. I

Don't like none of it stuck with me that much

like nothing from those first three films just

really like Ood and odd me that much So I don't

really have like any like Passionate connection

to those three films and Casting wise I think

they dropped the ball on a lot of a lot of the

roles. They're outside of Willem Dafoe and one

or two other people So I guess it wasn't going

to be hard for these films to beat those films

for me But I thought the amazing spider -man

one was was better than all three of those films

So it just kind of gives you an idea where I

was coming from going into this one. So Before

you actually went into the theater to watch The

Amazing Spider -Man 2, Matt, what were your expectations?

What was your mindset going to see the second

film? What were you thinking? What were you expecting?

I was incredibly worried. The trailers showed,

you know, three villains, like with the goblin,

electro, rhino. I knew that the first one was

so good, it was going to be hard to live up to

the expectations. And you know, in my background

I was like, I've probably got an idea of what

this flat's gonna be already and I don't like

it and it looks either gonna be too long or too

convoluted. So I went in very worried. I kind

of did the same thing. I was very skeptical about

what they were trying to do because from everything

that I read and saw about this film, it felt

like they were completely flipping the script

as far as not really too concerned about what

happened in the Amazing Spider -Man 1, that it

was going to be more so like, hey, we did that

film, we secured the rights, we have Amazing

Spider -Man 1, we got some of the casting down.

But now we're going to completely go another

direction and start trying to ramp up this quest

for this, you know, collaboration movie like

everybody needs to do apparently in the superhero

genre with the Avengers, with the Justice League,

and with the rumors that came out about the Sinister

Six. really worried that it was going to be a

train wreck, that they were going to be throwing

way too many villains in there, that they were

going to ignore or skate around stuff that happened

in The Amazing Spider -Man 1. So I was really

expecting to be disappointed going into this

film. So that's kind of where I was at. Nate,

what were your expectations and mindset going

in? My expectations were I was keeping an open

mind. Like I didn't want to hate the movie going

into it because I... You know had issues with

the last one And So I was just like trying not

to hate it and trying to enjoy myself and I think

I did so Well, we'll get in the just the Initial

reaction as you walked out the theater first

and then we'll kind of break it down a little

bit and dissect the movie a little bit more But

but Matt when you left the theater your initial

reaction was what? Don't know if I liked the

theater I was pretty happy I enjoyed myself I

think I didn't find any problems with the movie

until I started thinking about it later Nate

your initial reaction was My initial reaction

was That x -men trailer was really shoehorned

in Holy crap it was. What was your initial reaction

of Spider -Man 2? I was enjoying it a lot. I

liked it, but I feel like it ended like four

times. What was how you described your reaction

when I asked you how the film was? Dude, I don't

remember. I was like, so how's the movie? And

you were like, meh. Yeah, pretty much. I mean,

it's... It's a good spider -man movie It's not

it doesn't take the genre to new heights. It

just it just acts like a What a spider -man movie

could be it's like this is one of them Try that

one. No, okay. We'll do it again I'm gonna disagree.

I was actually very Happy leaving the theater

Wow Going in with not high hopes on this film

at all. I fully expected it to be one of the

worst Superhero films we probably had gotten

in recent times and and I was wrong and we'll

get into why but I was I was very Pleasantly

surprised leaving now granted. I just saw that

this morning. So Maybe I will have similar Reactions

as I think about it more and as it as it digests

a little bit more and as we talked some of this

out Maybe I'll even change my mind on some stuff,

but my initial reaction was all positive on this

one So getting into first some of the casting

because we kind of talked about that when we

were briefly mentioned amazing spider -man 1

Let's get into some of the main characters and

just kind of your views on them First of all,

can we all agree that Andrew Garfield is the

superior spider -man of our generation? Oh yeah.

I love it. That was perfect. Way to go. Way to

go, Kevin. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what I did.

What, uh, Matt, Andrew Garfield or Tobey Maguire?

There's no choice there. It's Andrew Garfield.

And Nate? I don't think Tobey Maguire is terrible,

but Andrew Garfield is better. I want to bring

up something, and I apologize. I'm not gonna

try to personally attack you in any way. You

guys brought up when we were watching the amazing

spider -man one that you feel Andrew Garfield

is not Nerdy or geeky looking enough to be like

he's too good -looking that was me is and I Strongly

disagree with that He is dreamy is all hell all

right, I don't I don't have a problem with that

I have a problem with the Guess whatever you

guys are envisioning as your stereotypical what

a nerd or geek should look like Say he I am right

there with Kevin where I like he could totally

totally plays a nerd like, you know He's not

a fat pencil for top pocket protector nerd, but

I mean he's got modern nerd all over him Yeah,

cuz I don't I don't expect my nerd or I don't

expect all nerds or geeks to fit into the screech

mold I guess. I mean, I would say that we're

all nerds, and we're all geeks because we're

all into a lot of different sci -fi, fantasy,

comic book stuff, but I don't think anybody would

look at any one of us and be like, that's a nerd.

Not me. Yeah, Matt. The issue I actually had

with the first one is like, he's in high school

and he's being like picked on and stuff. Yeah.

But like that, I don't know. like like he he

looks too normal and like cool and he like skateboards

and crap and he's shy though like he's got that

he's awkward personality that's going to get

him picked on as soon as someone notices him

like he blends in the background but as soon

as one person notices him and makes fun of him

and he doesn't defend himself he's gonna it's

open season But the thing was is that he like

he does defend himself in the first right, but

I think I know why everyone defends themselves

Yeah, but like like flash flash like took so

much crap in that movie after he became Spider

-Man. Yeah, but I think you got to look at it

this way. He's this boy who already is set apart

from a lot of the other kids because both of

his parents are dead. Yeah. Regardless of your

own experiences, I've somewhat experienced that

and it automatically puts you in a different

light if you have a different situation at home,

whether it be one parent, two parents, whether

it be they're alive but you live with somebody

else. I mean, it automatically... you're different

from the other kids so he has that going for

him and then he has the fact that he's somewhat

to me awkward and and not necessarily i don't

know if shy is the right word as far as like

maybe like semi -anti -social On the awkward

side so but he's the type of person that you're

I still think when you have that personality

They're still gonna rebel against being bullied.

They're not gonna take it They're not gonna be

the one that just cowers and lets themselves

be stuffed in the trash cans and stuff like that

They're gonna fight back, but they're scrawny

enough where they can't really do much So, I

mean, I don't know like I get that he's that

he's dreamy or or whatever But I guess someone

could make the argument that Toby Maguire is

dreamy to a lot of girls, too But to me when

they what they did with him is they they made

it so like I hate When they try to create the

stereotype, this is what a nerd should look like.

Well, it's funny you say that cuz like What's

his name? They totally like did that in this

in the amazing environment too with Jamie Foxx

Like they did exactly what they made him look

like a crazy man No, they made him look like

a super stereotypical nerd. Yeah with his Tooth

gap pencil pocket protector giant in a way and

see that that's the one part I didn't like about

how they did that character. Although I think

they add the obviously the crazy factor where

he's talking to himself and has a collage of

Spider -man and stuff like that. So, I mean he's

kind of a combination, but yeah, I don't think

they needed some of those some of those stereo

because I hate that I hate I hate when we try

to create the stereotype of an image that like

everybody should fit in this box if they're that

or that So I'm gonna I don't know I don't have

a problem with Andrew Garfield playing and being

dreamy and still being a spider -man because

he's still scrawny He's still small. He's not

this muscle -bound guy. It's not Channing Tatum

or someone trying to play spider -man, which

would be awful The thing the thing that made

Peter Parker made made Andrew Garfield playing

Peter Parker better in this movie is they didn't

really dwell on the fact that he's Awkward and

they didn't need to go to that territory for

the story arc at all. Yeah And since you guys

go ahead I was gonna say, one more Andrew Garfield

comment. When you said, like, he doesn't have

to fit in that screech mold, if they do a Say

By The Bell movie, fucking Andrew Garfield should

be screech. Like, I think he can do that perfectly.

And then we'll get to see if that would have

been a better role for Nate to fit in the mold

of Spider -Man. Just kidding. Dustin Diamond

is Spider -Man. No, Dustin Diamond can do nothing

ever again. He's gonna get mad at you because

he lost more weight because he's got his own

system. I Don't know where that's I just I totally

just made a Reality TV show reference Nate and

Kevin got it. I did guess what? Nobody should

be surprised at that. But since we brought up

electro, let's talk about him for a second and

then Jamie Foxx is character there I linked to

an article that we're not really gonna talk about

because I disagree with everything the guy said

On total film, but did you read that Matt? No,

I didn't but uh, but he was trying to say that

electro looked too much like What characters

do you throw up there? Yeah, he did That's the

one comparison you have to make he also compared

him to somebody else the Riddler in Batman Forever.

He said the voice was Riddler from Batman Forever

and the look was Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen.

I guess, but to me I didn't think of those things

when I was watching the film at all. But what

were you guys' impression of both Jamie Foxx

and Electro as a character, Matt? I was talking

to one of my friends, my one friend who has not

seen this movie yet today, and I said, Like,

the acting is amazing. I could say, without a

doubt, Jamie Foxx gives the poorest performance

of everyone in that movie, and that's saying

something, because we all know Jamie Foxx is

great. Yeah. Jamie Foxx is a legitimate, like,

great actor. I love him in everything he's been

in, and he doesn't do terrible with this, but

he is definitely the weakest performer in this.

I feel like he doesn't fit into this genre that

well. That probably is it. That seems like a

legitimate idea. I feel like he would. I think

part of that wasn't as much his fault as what

you guys said. I think if you take away some

of the pocket protector gap, all that type of

stuff, the over the top nerd aspects that they

gave him, I think then it would have worked better.

They did voice to every single stereotype onto

what is generally a very beautiful man. Right.

And there's just like, look at this guy. He's,

you know, we know he's beautiful and smooth,

but now we gave him all of the nerd quality.

But I think without that, it would have played

well because I think I like I like, you know,

how he was talking to himself and kind of the

mannerisms he gives with that. I like the work,

you know, once he becomes electro. I'm not saying

I liked everything they did with that character,

but I didn't mind his portrayal as that entity

instead of, you know, the alter ego that was

before that. I don't know enough about Electro

to say that he did a good job. They changed Electro

so much. Like, a lot, a lot, a lot. Like, in

the comic books, Electro can't do, like, the

dematerializing or whatever. He travels like

Iceman does, only instead of shooting ice in

front of him, he shoots electricity in front

of him, which makes even less sense than Iceman.

My stupid phone, I'm sorry. And he's a silly

character. They changed him a lot. I mean, he

wears like a lightning bolt mask, but it's not

like one lightning bolt. It's like three intersecting

lightning bolts. So he's got a giant asterisk

that hangs six inches off of each side of his

face. Like, he was a silly, silly character.

They changed him entirely in this movie. The

fact that he's electricity powered still. Yeah,

I was definitely thrown off when he started dematerializing

stuff, because I wasn't expecting that, and I

didn't know that's what that character did, but

apparently it didn't ever do that. All of the

trailers and everything had me very worried,

because they changed him so much, and I hate

when they change things a lot when they don't

need to. I'm not gonna lie, it worked in this

movie and most of my concerns were false. I was

just gonna say, none of the villains in this

movie had any lasting effect on me. The best

parts of this movie had nothing to do with the

villains. Like, it was Spider -Man being Spider

-Man. That's why this movie has any, like, good

qualities to it. It's because of Andrew Garfield

being Spider -Man. And Gwen Stacy. I was going

to say, all of the non -villain superhero stuff,

like the human interactions, were all stellar.

I'm going to, again, disagree slightly. Not with

the what you're saying about all the stellar

parts. I agree, but I don't think the villains

are as bad as everyone's trying to play them

out as outside of one. I actually. I like the

stuff that's going to stick with me about Electro

was was the visual stuff they did when they gave

us like out of his eyes where he's seeing like

all the different energy sources and how all

the different currents are running throughout

the city and whatnot. I thought those shots were

amazing. Yeah, those are cool shots, but the

shots don't make him an interesting character.

Well, to me, it somewhat does. To me, it adds

an element to... Because it gives you an inside

look as to what that character is seeing and

what that character is feeling. Like his point

of view. Right. So for me, it kind of made it

a little bit more easy to relate to him. And

I really like how they initiated... Him as electro

and how I did have to go to the bathroom at some

point during that scene like right before it

But but no when when he's when him and spider

-man both have their first contact And he's not

necessarily like not that he's ever pure evil

I guess but he's not like full -on villain at

that point. I Kind of liked the dynamic and how

you kind of got to see the progression of him

trying to cope with what has happened to him

and what he's able to do now, and his obviously

obsession with Spider -Man and the need to be

in the spotlight. I thought that was an interesting

development that sometimes we don't get with

the supervillains and seeing that whole transformation.

Sometimes they kind of fall prey to, here's a

person, here's the accident that causes them

to be a supervillain, now they're a supervillain.

Yeah, I agree with you on that wholly. And sometimes

they don't give us that progression, which I

appreciate with Electro. So that part I did like

about him. And I actually, as much as I love

Willem Dafoe, I thought both Osborne people,

Norman and Harry Osborne, I thought it was well

done in this one. I thought it was somewhat interesting

to see that connection, to see him talking to

his son and how he had changed. And I thought

when Harry Osborne came out, Now is that technically

what Hobgoblin? No, that's still the Green Goblin

in this movie. OK, yeah. Well, when he turns

into a goblin, the goblin form, like I thought

that was pretty well done as far as how it was

designed. It wasn't so. Cartoony that it looked

fake to me. Oh, yeah, you had an issue with the

mask, like. Remember the spider -man one mask

you were telling me about No, yeah, no, I definitely

like the I definitely like the the mask and outfits

better in this one I thought in the first trilogy

of spider -man stuff sometimes was played to

cartoony So yeah, like I thought both in costume

and in design. Sometimes it looked a little too

cartoony Which nothing against cartoons. I love

cartoons. But when I have a superhero film like

that, sometimes I want it to look a little bit

more realistic. And I think that's what they

did better in this these two films so far. Whereas

The Green Goblin was a little bit more believable,

even though it's a weird and saying that there

was that's one of the things that kind of somewhat

bugged me, I guess, in the first one about the

lizard. Is that the right name for him? Yeah,

yeah. Because at times I thought that was a little

bit fake looking. But I didn't feel that ever

ever at this point except for with one of the

other villains which we'll get into in a second

So yeah, I mean I actually did feel somewhat

of a connection to some of the villains in this

and when I felt the relationship between Norman

and Harry Osborne I got a better understanding

of Harry Osborne as a character and and I liked

what they did with Electro But going into that

other villain then I guess And I guess there's

a minor spoiler alert here because some people

will not have known who's going to get, you know,

what amount of screen time juggle the villains

and whatnot. So I apologize for that, but let's

talk about the rhino a little bit. Matt, what

was your impression of that character? So we're

going like at least a little bit of spoilers.

I did not know that they were going to get paul

giamatti going in i didn't know that and then

watching it i did not know that that was paul

giamatti i totally that just went right over

my head um yeah uh and uh i think the cg looked

really bad i am a huge paul giamatti fan like

i've watched movies that nobody's that a lot

of people haven't even heard of that just because

he's been in them um sometimes to my Regret later

on because the movies weren't that good, but

I I really like Paul G. Mahdi, and I really wish

he wasn't in this movie Yeah His accent was awful

Wait wait wait wait You you you wish that he

wasn't in this movie you don't wish that he did

Like a better job or no, I just wasn't in this

movie. Oh, I don't think they need him I don't

think he well it'll help him get to a higher

point on the top 100 That's true highest -grossing

actors. That's true. And maybe with more time.

He will make me change my mind, but I don't know

why because oh Wait, yeah, cuz it won't won't

rhino being like the sinister stick sinister

yeah i think that's a little bit of talk about

his children i were going back and forth on the

sinister six here in a minute her and uh... after

the movie but we'll get back to that but you'd

be at like i said if he if he does appear if

he is part of the sinister six maybe i will change

my mind and i'll say i was wrong he's capable

of doing a better job than he did in this film

well idea like the problem with the rhino is

he's a big dumb like brew guy there but he didn't

even get a russian accent down Don't know if

that was a Russian accent It was some kind of

weird it was like it felt like a Brooklyn accent

mixed with a Russian accent. It was really awkward

If everything about the Rhino character felt

wrong and misplaced to me Yeah, and I mean also

he was in the movie for a total of like 10 minutes

like I mean I do like he how he was at the beginning

and how he was at the end kind of bookend things

whatever I'm a sucker for that type of thing,

but I maybe it's just my inexperience with that

character and the origins and the history of

that character But I like my super villains and

I was talking to you about this a little bit

and I talked to Joel about this I like my super

villains to feel like They're one with whatever

they're Like their Vices or their attachments

or they're like whatever I wanted to feel like

it's all connected like Thought they did good

in the original spider -man trilogy with that

with Doc Ock because it felt like All that was

like connected to him and it like it was as one

And that's what I kind of like and to me all

this felt like Like it that it was like a big

mech thing with Paul G. Mahdi as a like a pilot

Yeah Although isn't that kind of what the Rhino

is in the comics like he's just a guy in a suit.

I Think that might be true Or at least that's

what I remember from the 90's show. I don't think

he's taken the suit off ever at this point so

I mean it's kind of like the scorpion like where

I don't even know if the scorpion kid get his

suit off. Yeah. I'm not saying you get this off

but it just the way they made it look with him

raising and lowering like the little I don't

know cockpit thing or whatever you want to call

it like it just made it feel like there's just

some like guy that's piloting this mech suit.

Yeah I totally think he can get in and out of

that no problem. I mean, they made it look super,

you know, like, super realistic. I do air quotes

with my hands. Because, I mean, it is a more

realistic mech than, like, what you get from,

you know, like, anime or even some movies. Right.

So, I mean, it looks like you can get in and

out. How did you feel about Rinoa in general,

Matt? I don't know if I like the whole gun aspect

to it if they just made it so that he was in

a giant super strong Chargy suit I think I like

it more the guns. I don't know if I like I Mean

like I I Don't know. I think I'm right there

with you. I don't think I don't think they should

have had Paul Giamatti doing it Yeah, it could

have been anyone distracted too much from it

Well again, I didn't I didn't even notice so

it didn't distract me Um, and I love really bad

accents. I also love really good accents. Like,

I just love when someone doesn't talk like me.

Like some Midwestern -er from America. If you

have any accent other than maybe a Southern,

uh, United States accent, I am 100 % down. But

then, like, one good Southern belle accent, also.

Like... Like, just don't be a Southern male,

and, uh... You'll woo my heart. Well, we don't

want any Southern male wooing your heart, anyways,

so... Yeah, I'm sure. I'd get upset if that happened.

Anyway... But, uh... I didn't get your guys'

overall thoughts. I mean, I kind of wouldn't...

on my own tangent about Harry Osborn but what

was your guys's both Harry and Norman Osborn

what was your take on on those two characters

Nate? I didn't I didn't like the Green Goblin

in this that much I didn't really like the character

I didn't care about his struggle and I don't

know all of the pretty much all the bad guys

in this are just a wash for me like I didn't

really Didn't look at him and go. Oh, that's

a fun character to look at and watch do stuff

You know what about the relationship between

Harry Osborn and spider -man I? That came out

of nowhere that was like that was like hey, we

were friends even though we're completely different

social structure like like he Wasn't even addressed

in the first movie. It just felt like It's like,

oh, hey, they're friends, right? Yeah, sure.

OK, let's get them together. And he's like, you

know, interrupting his big important meeting

in that one scene. And it's just like. Really,

he seems more important than Peter Parker, like

in all aspects of everything. Well, I don't know,

I think I think it worked for me. It worked for

me, at least like the whole meeting scene. It

was like he totally wanted to get out of that

meeting. And he's like, I'm not enjoying myself.

You guys are all getting demoted. And then it

was like, hey, an old friend you haven't seen

in eight years has shown up. And he's like, you

know what? I'm going to go leave and let you

all brood without me. I thought that that totally

made sense, that part of the scene. And I don't

know. Just because we didn't get him in the first

movie. We didn't get all of Spider -Man's life

in the first movie. That doesn't mean that there

aren't elements of it that can't be brought back.

Like, you know, would it have been better if

they had spent another 20 minutes in the first

movie? God no. Where eight -year -old Peter Parker

and eight -year -old Harry Osborn are like, oh,

I'm sorry, if your parents died, Pete, like,

would that have made the next one better? I don't

think it would have. No. I mean, you're right,

but at the same time, it's just... Isn't that...

It fell out of place. Yeah, but coming from someone,

again, that doesn't know the comics very much,

isn't that something... Even for me, that's something

that's just kind of common knowledge, isn't it?

That those two had a childhood connection? More

so, even, than this movie. Like, they collegeed

together, I'm pretty sure. So that's just something

that I just fully accepted as, like, even without

knowing much about it, I'm like, yeah, that's

just kind of, that's the history of... Harry

Osborne and Peter Parker. They've they're the

same age. They grew up, you know They can sold

him like I all I needed was the line that they

gave me as far as like You know that he was there

for him when when his parents died I totally

bought it and I was like, yeah, I think I'm pretty

sure that's common knowledge amongst comic book

stuff So I'm gonna go with it. So to me it wasn't

it didn't feel out of place Yeah, I really liked

their interactions out of costume like I love

how like like straight -laced and like I'm a

businessman and I'm you know my my dad's dead

but I'm gonna stay strong Harry Osborn was until

like Peter says that line or whatever and he

just kind of cracks a little bit and he's like

yeah you know I am still 18 I am still a kid

Like I thought they did spectacular with that

and I was very pleased with their interactions

I did like the casting of Harry Osborn as well.

I think he he fit the look pretty pretty good

For what I kind of wanted out of that character

What about just the overall tone of the film?

Now, in the article that I had leaked to from

Total Film, they bashed it a lot for the tone.

They said it had too much cheese. It was humor

in the wrong spots, this, that, and the other.

But overall, the tone of the film, the mood,

the atmosphere that they set, how do you feel

that that worked in this film overall? I felt

the tone was... fine for what it what it was

like it i don't i'm not someone that minds cheese

like i'm not gonna hate a movie for being too

cheesy i feel like this maybe this movie wasn't

even cheesy enough i don't know see i don't i

i think that was written by just someone who

loved the dark knight trilogy yeah which is fine

the dark knight trilogy is great but like We

don't every movie can be that we don't need every

comic book hero to be dark and brooding especially

spider -man spider -man is not supposed to be

this he's supposed to be this Kid that has a

different way of coping with all the crap that's

happened to him, you know I mean if Batman had

half the things happen to him this but happen

to spider -man good lord that guy would have

already committed suicide So, I mean the spider

-man has a different way of coping and I don't

need him to be this depressed, you know dark

and Like that's one of the things that I don't

think worked when they tried to go a slight bit

in that direction in the original trilogy That's

just not how he reacts to those types of things

he takes grief in a different way and I like

the cheese I like the humor and I never thought

I never felt that there was humor that was like

You know that there was like Transformers potty

humor or like some type of weird Super cheesy

moment. I was never thrown off. Yeah, they weren't

there were like fart jokes or anything like that

like the way Andrew Garfield plays a character

is it fits right in place the little comments

that he makes and the things that he does and

stopping as he's you know Rescuing someone to

say this or say that like that's what I'm expecting

out of him And that's why I like him as that

character, so I don't mind that at all. What

do you think Matt? Yeah, like he got spider -man

in the suit perfect like making the quips and

being all like Fun and and cheesy like that's

what spider -man is and that's what spider -man

always has been I would say though a tone of

the movie. This one was a lot heavier than the

previous one I mean for the whole movie beginning

to end it was a little heavier And you know You

can go too heavy. I don't know if they quite

got there. I don't think they did Because I mean

the certain themes that they're dealing with

are supposed to be heavier. So like you know

it was it was a little less fun a little more

heavy but it still was great they did good um

without getting into any uh spoilers quite yet

we'll have another segment of spoilers here in

a minute but uh just overall Continuing with

Peter Parker a little bit because we're talking

about the tone and part of that tone and part

of the atmosphere throughout the film is obviously

the Relationship between Peter Parker and Gwen

Stacy and a lot of times big blockbusters and

or Big action flicks or superhero films Don't

quite understand or handle how to do the love

angle or the relationship angle How do you guys

feel that was done in this film, the kind of

back and forth relationship between Andrew Garfield

and or between Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy? How

was that handled and do you think it fit within

the bigger action film that's going on or do

you think it was kind of that cheesy romance

thing that sometimes we can fall prey to Nate?

Their chemistry is great on screen and I believe

that they are dating in real life. Okay, so I

mean I don't follow celebrity whatever but I

think something like that makes makes a lot of

difference because you can kind of tell that

they they do have a sort of chemistry together

and They just they work great together. I want

to say I want someone to tell me that all of

the the them just being like You know just talking

back and forth like some of those lines were

ad -lib because it totally felt like it Did you

ever feel like they had to throw in a love story

here or a love line type plot because they felt

to, or did you feel like it was completely natural?

For the most part, I felt like it was natural.

And I mean, obviously you needed that love story

plot for other parts of the movie to have more

weight to them. What about you, Matt? I thought

it was good. I've said a million times. I think

that between these two movies the Gwen Stacy

Peter Parker Love story is the most convincing

love story. I've seen in a comic book movie ever

It's probably the most convincing love story.

I've seen in an action movie ever Like they sell

it like perfectly. It's believable from start

to finish like They did a great job I actually

said this to Joel when I left the theater. To

me, not only was the relationship natural, it

didn't distract from what else was going on.

It never felt forced or artificial like it does

so many other films. To me, I would say that

Emma Stone and Gwen Stacy as a character is a

single best love interest. character in all of

comic book film history. Like I don't think there's

ever been any other type of love interest with

one of the main characters in any superhero film

that's been done better than how it was done

in this one. I can't think of any type of like

anything. Mary Jane, Lois Lane. Whoever else

is love interest of different? Characters, I

don't know is there anything that you guys can

think of that even comes close to how this one's

done No Yeah, so maybe it's because maybe it's

because they're young like a lot of the other

ones are they're a lot older and there's something

romantic about young love instead of like Like

Thor and Natalie Portman like I don't know like

a 35 year old having love at first sight sort

of situation Yeah, and then like what is it?

Pepper pots and Iron Man like they have fun dynamic

between each other, but it's not really romantic

Yeah That could be part of it. I don't know.

I couldn't pinpoint it. I don't know if it was

just on the stone, if it's the fact that they're

younger, if it's the combination that they are

dating in real life. Sometimes that actually

does not work well for other couples. Sometimes

they are trying too hard to act, I guess, where

they don't just let the natural part take over.

But I know in other situations that hasn't worked

well. So I mean, that was interesting. But I

thought that was just perfectly done. I guess

I'm a huge Emma Stone fan, which I knew I was

a fan of hers before, but I didn't know I was

this big of a fan. I think we're going to basically

go into for the next like two or three segments

here that we talk about will all be spoilers.

Oh, wait, wait, wait. Before we get into super

spoilers, I just got one more comment about the

just like the film film overall. There were some

shots in it that just bug the crap out of me.

There was like when the Green Goblin was being

the Green Goblin. It uh, he this like it went

into like a crazy flashy strobe light. Oh I couldn't

I couldn't look at the screen. I was like, I

don't even I can't do this It's it's gonna hurt

my eyes too much It was a seizure warning in

front of that because that scene lasted entirely

too long with just red black red black red black

red white red white black white red black black

black black red black and that's About 10 times

longer than that Yeah, it was um what else there

was another shot that was just like Really bad

that I can't remember now That one was fine Was

that not was that bad? He looked really badly

shoot in that suit. Oh Like like he wasn't actually

in the suit. They just like it looked like a

shot. Yeah No, well, maybe maybe that but also

um when when they're on the plane in the very

beginning and There's like the gunfight kind

of like close quarters thing. The camera was

so shaky I was so worried the entire movie was

gonna be shot like that and You remember that

Matt? Yeah, I don't like I was watching it going

like there's no point in shaky cam like this

No, this is a perfectly straight flying plane

Like why are we doing a shaky cam like? It's

like, is this such an unbelievable action scene

without it? Because otherwise, it doesn't need

to be there. It felt like that whole scene was

done by a completely different director. Yeah.

I don't recall either scenes that you're talking

about. Oh, wow. Really? You saw it this morning,

dude. I know. I don't remember having any problem

with a shaky film, with a shaky cam, or having

any problem with the strobe lights. Wow, I expect

you to be way more critical than either of us,

so that's gonna have to be That stuff of my game

no more 930 movies or whatever time that was

I need someone to like like hear that Like shaky

cam is not a good. No one has ever gone into

a movie means like you know this movie could

use in the action scenes Less clarity yeah I

don't need to know what's going on. Like shaky

cam's terrible, super poor lighting like in the

fight scene at the end of episode two where all

you see is faces and flashes. Not good. Just

let me see what's happening. And all the other

tags that Michael Bay has ever used are usually

not good. Yeah. Lens flares? They're just annoying.

Like, I don't, they don't look cool. I will say,

though, that I absolutely, one aspect, and I

know a lot of people will probably disagree with

me, but one aspect I really love, not only in

the first one, but even more so in the second

one, is I actually love the slow -mo Spider -Man

scenes. Totally. I want that. Yeah. Like, they're

really, really just really good. Overall just

any anytime spider -man is just web slinging

around the city. It looks great Like other than

in the first one, they did a lot of first -person

stuff, which was kind of weird But that's like

for the IMAX 3d effect, right? There was just

a few there was a few of those slow -mo or even

like almost like standstill type scenes that

they did that just made it look completely like

epically awesome That I really enjoyed and it

just made it like fun to watch Um as but then

again, um My taste in like cinematography though

is I just really love well -composed still shots

and You don't get a lot of those in action movies

like spider -man Yeah, and I just think it's

it's a cool. It was a cool setting to do that,

you know, with what the city is backdrops with

him flying through the air and doing some stuff.

I thought they had perfect opportunities that

they definitely took advantage of with some of

those still shots and slow motion shots. So something

to look for in the film and enjoy. And if they

do more Spider -Man films, which they obviously

are, I hope that continues to be somewhat not

overly done, but something that is an element

of them. Alright, so if you don't want to be

spoiled, you're going to have to skip ahead and

we will put a time marker in right here. And

getting into some of the bigger issues with the

film, because I know Matt, according to Nate,

you had a problem with this, but obviously Joel,

who I was watching this film with, was completely

shocked that a certain character dies. I, on

the other hand, unfortunately saw it coming a

mile away. Even before Nate ruined it. Well,

no, the backdrop of that comment was in the back

of my head. Oh, dude, I'm sorry. No, that's all

right. I feel so bad. That's okay. so then watching

the movie though, I was I was you know somewhat

expecting it to happen and For a long time I'm

like, oh, there's no setup for it to happen now.

Nothing nothing nothing then as soon as she is

No longer, you know as in the background as soon

as she was wanting to go with him on that one

I'm like this is going to lead to her death So

I'm the only one that can do this I need to hit

this button yeah she didn't really do anything

that drastic but anyway so so obviously and most

people obviously are aware of the comic book

history so they knew it was they knew there was

a possibility of that coming and just your your

everyday moviegoer should have been able to somewhat

predict that as she gets more involved in the

in the situation although i guess the everyday

movie going audience Would still somewhat be

shocked because it seems like even though there

are opportunities for a lot of superhero films

to do that It's something that is hardly seems

like it's hardly ever done lately The marmoo

marvie marvel movies cinematic universe no deaths.

Yeah, we have not seen it So, I mean and there's

been chances for them to do that So I guess you

still might be a little shocked that they actually

follow through with it but something that we'll

have to get into because I think we're gonna

disagree with this matt, but I actually Although,

obviously you're sad because both the acting

of Emma Stone and the portrayal of Gwen Stacy

is so far superior than anything I think we've

ever got in that type of role, that it's just

sad in general to see that come to an end. That,

notwithstanding, I thought they executed her

death. Actually, I couldn't think of a better

way to have that scene play out. No, I gotta

I gotta interject because I got nothing to say

on this And bring me back to earth but the reason

I enjoyed it and Enjoy is a horrible word to

use there because I did not enjoy her dying but

the reason I appreciated that scene was because

Too many times, I believe, when they actually

do have a death in a movie like this, it's simply,

oh, such -and -such just gets in the way of something,

or such -and -such throws themselves in front

of a bullet, or whatever might happen. And I

was afraid for the longest time that they were

gonna kill her by just simply having her be in

the way of Peter Parker and get electrocuted

by Electro, or something like that. And that

was... She jumped on a goblin bomb. Yeah, like

something like... Out here, Spider -Man. Like,

if it had happened like... that that was really

gonna piss me off. Like, I hate the pointless,

like, I'm gonna save you even though I don't

need to save you, or vice versa, the hero does

something that is not necessarily, and then leads

to their death. But in this situation, he's literally

trying to save her, and the fact that the only

thing that's, like, six inches separates him

saving her and her dying, To me is why I appreciate

that scene not just that but that was a That

was a shocking Like from the camera angle the

sound effects Yeah, and everything about that

was like, oh my god Like you can't survive that

Yeah, so, I mean I appreciated the way it was

shot and done and the fact that it wasn't because

of something she did or wasn't that just the

super villain killed her that it was literally

a consequence of circumstances where he tries

to savor and he just comes up about six inches

short. For that I appreciated it, but why did

you hate it? Okay, so I didn't hate it. I thought

that everything you said I agree with and the

comic book did it better. On every point you're

making right now, the comic book did it better.

I'm notorious for being the guy who's like, you

should stick to the source material. I am also,

I've said it a million times, if you do it better,

I'm all for it. Comic book did it better, though.

One point I wanna make though, or go back, with

this film, same thing, you were right, that shot,

that violent, that was great. The only way that

they could have done it better without changing

anything was one of the, they shot her death

like seven times, I was reading an article, and

they ended up keeping that one for a few reasons.

One, because it's close to the original. But

there was one way they shot it where it was exactly

how it is, only when he's down there going, no,

Gwen, no, Gwen, the Goblin's just laughing. Like,

ah! Damn! It's like, that would have been better.

They couldn't keep it in and keep the PG -13,

apparently. Like, apparently that was the step

between 13 and R. And they had to take that out.

That would have been so much better. I was surprised

because I was expecting that whole time that

he was down there to at least have some type

of shot of the goblin. Yeah. Whether laughing,

remorseful, something. Something, just looking

on, noticing what happened, something. Aware,

yeah. It's a little upsetting that they didn't

do that. I think that that would have made that

way more heart -wrenching if they'd had the laugh

in there. I wittily wish they'd gotten away with

it. And I hope they put that on the DVD as an

extra because I think that's gonna, I wanna see

it. So the comic book version, very similar.

The Green Goblin figures out who Peter Parker

is. And since he's Norman Osborn at the time,

he's very aware that Harry's best friend is dating

Gwen. And Harry is also in love with Gwen. That's

another element from the comic books that really

would not have added anything to the movie. So

what he does is he wants to get back at Spider

-Man. He hates Spider -Man, and he's going to

set Spider -Man up to fail. So he gets on a bridge,

and Spider -Man shows up, and he's like, I'm

stopping you, Goblin. And the Goblin's like,

I know who you are, Peter. And he's like, uh

-oh. And he's like, I've got your girlfriend.

And he's like, I've also got a bus with like

60 people on it. And he tosses them off different

sides of the bridge. And he goes, there's no

way you're going to catch both of them. And then

he flies off or whatever. And Spider -Man goes,

oh no, oh no, I've got to make a choice. And

he jumps off the bridge, saves the 60 people

because he's Spider -Man. And he can't be the

Spider -Man that saves the one person. And then

he goes to swing over and shoots Gwen. It's the

same situation. She's falling. The web's going.

She's falling. The web's going. The web grabs

her. And then the web stops. And she doesn't

hit anything. and he climbs down the web, and

she was moving at such a speed that the web slowed

her down so quickly, her neck snapped. Her death's

on him now. If he had done nothing, she would

have died and it would have been the goblins'

fault. Him trying to save her kills her, so he's

even in this bigger depression, because he, you

know, maybe if I'd done it differently, like,

and then also it has the element of choice, like,

he didn't choose his love, he chose the city,

because he's Spider -Man, and he's gotta be the

hero, not Peter Parker, the personal thing. I

think if they had done it like that, I think

it would have been better. They did a pretty

good job. Again, it's like he just missed it

by inches, but I think ultimately he can't blame

himself. He can only blame her and the goblin,

or him blaming himself I think would have been

for more character development. It's interesting

that you bring that up, because part of the screenplay

is written by... by Ortsy and Kurtzman. I believe.

I'm pretty sure they're credited as part of the

either screenplay or the writing for this. And

they are also in charge of writing for the TV

series, Hawaii Five -O. And in Hawaii Five -O,

that whole stick, stick with me. In Hawaii 5

-0, without actually having superheroes involved

and whatnot, they almost do an exact replication

of the story that you just said, where they take

someone and they have either a group of people

that they can save or the love interest, and

they basically send them both in different directions,

and you can't get to both of them in time, so

you have to choose one or the other. Don't know

why that made me think of that, but that's almost

exact same scenario, and they had already written

that into a TV series not saying that they wouldn't

write something similar into a superhero film,

but because the whole time you were describing

that I was like where have I seen this before

or where have I heard this before because I haven't

read the comic so I didn't know that happened,

but Sorry, I had to interject with that Nate

go ahead whatever so I wanted to say Okay, I

was gonna say someone also brought up that I

guess they do that in one of the recent Batman

movies or it's like you can do this one or the

other one and then Like the I think it was the

second one and the Joker like lies to Batman

about which one he can he's going to save So

that he he's he chooses wrong based on his choice

or whatever, but I could be I don't remember

the Dark Knight very much But you go Nate I was

just gonna say Want to have a new podcast where

you met you describe Comic book scenes that I

haven't read and then I just go no way. Oh, that's

cool. Ah Whoa, that was that was my that's been

the last 15 last 10 years of my life It was funny

because I remember in high school someone's leg

Matt You're gonna grow up to be the comic book

guy from the Simpsons. I was like, I don't like

comic books. Those are lame Ten years have gone

by and my favorite thing in life now is to explain

comic book scenes to people So coming soon to

get castrated and any getting into I guess this

is a my more of a minor spoiler But I don't want

to Not preface it with that because it might

ruin some parts for some people But there is

a some interesting scenes that they give in this

film that we somewhat were expecting As far as

their setup for future films and possibly the

Sinister six Film eventually and that is while

they're at Oz Corp. Obviously they show some

artifacts relics or armor or Things that allude

to who might possibly be involved with the sinister

six now after the film I looked up sinister six

online, and I didn't I didn't realize that there's

been like 12 different versions of the sinister

six at least There's ten or twelve versions on

the pages I was looking at and all of them have

different combinations and from what I gather

this Sinister six version and and the film series

here will be similar to none of those Well, I

shouldn't say it's not similar. It will not be

the exact combination in any of those 10 or 12

that have happened before. Okay. Because it's

including two people that are never included

in any of those. But you guys are gonna be able

to point out the things that you saw probably

better than I would. What evidence of which characters

did you guys see during the course of this film?

I think we have at least five of the six down

pat, right? It's gonna be Electro, It's going

to be Green Goblin. It's going to be Rhino. We

got all three of those, right? Then it's going

to be Doc Ock, The Vulture. And then we don't

know. I mean, they haven't done who the sixth

one is yet, right? Can I please ask why Mysterio

hasn't been done yet? Seriously? Oh, my God.

I've been wanting to bring this up for a while.

Mysterio would be such a good movie villain.

And especially with a very silly Spider -Man.

Like you could do like a circus element with

them. It'd be great like Here's I guess the point

to me I guess what I came out with it is that

you assume that the Green Goblin is the leader

of the six at this point He almost always is

okay. So that's just kind of a given He's also

Harry Osborn the one with all the technology

and right they've set him up for it and then

You're going through the one scene where they're

actually showing chamber that didn't sell after

sell you see the Doc Ock You see vulture and

you see rhino. Yeah, are we a hundred percent

convinced that electro? Comes back in a future

movie. I am 90 % sure because his death was like

like most movie deaths worth like that and there's

no body You don't you don't trust it, but neither

one that to he and Harry set up an established

a relationship where they trust each other and

he's willing to follow Harry's orders Like I

don't see why they wouldn't and I also came up

with who I think the the sixth member is going

to be Which is probably going to be he's going

to merge something with the Oscorp make a super

serious Super soldier serum and give it to his

assistant who he already said was named Felicia

It's gonna turn her hair white. She's gonna become

the black cat She's going to be good for that

movie. She's gonna have redemption in the secret

six movie and then she's gonna become a good

guy She's gonna be bad for them for one movie

She's gonna be bad in that we have redemption

by the end and become a good guy and they're

gonna find you You said she was gonna be good.

That's in her first movie. No, no, no, no She's

like Harry Hawthorne's gonna like do something

give her some sort of super serum or something

It's probably gonna turn her hair white. She

may become the black cat and then she's gonna

be bad in the sixth member and then become good

by the end with the redemption. That's my prediction

right now. Okay, so two things on that. Number

one, it was pretty clear that her appearance

in this film was not going to be a one and done

type thing, that there was going to be something

else that we see from her in the future. And

is the name Felicia that is what the black cat's

name was? Felicia Hardin. Okay. So... Are you

confident that they're going to put someone into

The Sinister Six who has never been in any other

form of The Sinister Six? It's likely since they've

already changed a lot from the original comic

books, it would not surprise me in the least.

Just another point, another name they dropped

was Smythe, was Jamie Foxx's boss. And Alistair

Smythe is another smarty guy from the Spider

-Man comic franchise. Oh, is that that one guy

that from when glorious bastards? It was the

guy. I think he was wearing glasses. He was uh,

he was Jamie Foxx's boss in the building Was

he the guy that like you told him to go and yes

the thing and yeah Yeah, okay. So okay. Yeah,

he's he's way bigger of an actor. I could totally

see him coming back He's not secret six materials

sister six. Sorry secret six is a DC franchise

that I really like. He's not Sinister Six material,

but he is like Kingpin's number one man. Yeah.

I guess this could lead into our question for

next week and we can talk about it now, but besides

your theory, which could very well be what actually

happens, if you were the one picking, Matt, and

we only had one more member for the Sinister

Six out of... You know, we've had uh, i'm just

going down the line and looking at names We haven't

thrown out here, but um, you have sandman you

have like nates had mysterio craving the hunter

Um You have venom they're gonna do venom again.

Well venom is supposed to be never a secret sensor

six will they He was yeah in in one of the versions.

Um, the fifth incarnation had venom. Um That

one was you also had a scorpia shocker beetle

So, I mean, you're a lizard, but we already saw

that character. Is there a specific one that

you think you would rather see in this one, if

you had to pick a sixth member? If I had to pick

a sixth member, it would be Mysterio, for all

the reasons Nate and I mentioned earlier. Although,

I think it would fit the best in. I think it'd

be great. It'd be a good, like... Think it could

be a play off of like Harry being like we should

do this and materials like I'm as smart as that

guy and less insane like so it could have like

a Starscream Megatron element to it where it's

like, you know Which one of the bad guys is the

better villain leader, you know, but uh, I would

love to see them do the beetle because That character

has been done so well in the comic books and

so poorly and that's like an element to him that

I would love to see them do that in the movies

but they probably should have started with him

in the first movie so like it's too late. What

about I guess two other questions then Nate I'll

go to you on the same same type of questions

but uh do you have any issue with them bringing

in Doc Ock since he was done in the first three

films even though it's a completely different

scenario here or Do you think it would have been

a better choice to substitute Rhino out and bring

in a different character in this film instead

of Rhino? Those are two different questions.

Yeah, two different questions. So, number one,

is there any problem with bringing in villains

that we've had from any of the recent Spider

-Man films? And then number two, do you think

it would have been a better choice to do someone

else instead of Rhino? Okay, so the first question...

I think, I mean, it is a little like, I don't

know if they should bring those characters back,

but it has been, we've had two movies, so not

bringing anyone back till at least three movies,

and then if you add on top of it the fact that

they're not doing Venom in the next movie or

Sandman probably, it's gonna be four movies difference,

which I think, I mean, if you can't bring a character

back four movies later, when can you? So there's

that. I mean, I don't know if he would be my

choice because he was also like a leader of the

Sinister Six more than he was a back guy. So

I don't know if he's the best choice for this,

but I mean, you know, it wouldn't be a terrible

choice. And then the other one, the Rhino. Yeah.

I don't know if I would have gone with the Rhino.

I think they did the Rhino better than doing

like doing another lizard where it's a mutation

or something, but doing a very believable, realistic,

giant mech suit. Good idea. I Think if I were

you know, I don't know. I kind of like the shocker.

I like the scorpion I like the spider -man's

rogues. So I they can't really go wrong I'm most

looking forward to the vulture actually not knowing

much about any of the characters. I just think

that looked like a cool get -up You going back

to the one question who do you want to be the

sixth number me? Yeah Mysterio definitely. Is

it too soon for Doc Ock? What do you think they

should have done if not Rhino? Or do you have

no problem with Rhino being involved in this?

I have a problem. No, I know. You know what?

I want to see more Paul Giamatti, so I don't

even care. More Rhino. Give it to me. I guess

Kevin, it's your turn. Honestly, I don't know

all of the characters well enough to say who

I would like is the sixth one I have no problem

with what you guys are saying about mysterious

sounds like somebody cool I just think if you

got to make careful choices as far as which Characters

from the comics are transferable to the big screen

now. I know these days a lot of things There's

not much that isn't possible with with what technology

has gotten god knows to You know when we can

make Godzilla and then stuff like that look way

more realistic than it ever has But I just think

you got to try to figure out the tone that's

been set for this series of films and and the

universe that's been created you You got to be

careful not to throw someone in there that doesn't

seem to fit or that isn't gonna be able to be

done as well on the big screen Because not everything's

as transferable, but I'll trust you guys that

that Mysterio is one that is I personally Obviously,

Doc Ock is a villain that people are going to

recognize, even those people that don't know

Spider -Man very well, since he's already been

done, so I guess there is that familiarity with

it. Me personally, I would rather them avoid

that though, only because you have so many to

choose from that have been involved in Sinister

Six over the different... iterations of it that

I don't necessarily think you need to go back

like if they I'd have the same feeling if they

went to a Sandman or you know or venom like you

said I don't think those are ones that you know

I mean I think there's enough choices that you

could have avoided it and I'm not sure how Doc

Ock like you said and Harry Osborne would be

able to share they both seem like leaders so

that seems a bit weird for me, and I would throw

Rhino out for the reasons I just said about the

other one. I don't think that was someone that's

as easily transferable, and it just doesn't seem

to jive with everything else. I think... I don't

know. I don't know if they would have been able

to do it more like they did with Incredible Hulk

or something else, if they would have done something

like that, but the whole look of a mech suit

to me just doesn't work at all. So I take Rhino

out and put somebody that's more human -like.

You know what would be great, what I would love

to see, is like in the next movie throw in an

Abner Jenkins as, you know, he's the guy who's

Beetle in the suit. Like in a really crappy suit,

kind of like Robert Downey Jr. in Iron Man 3

when he's storming the Mandarin's mansion. Like

a thrown -together piecemeal suit that's like,

yeah, I'm kind of a superhero, right? and have

him rob a bank and fail and Spider -Man stop

him and then like at the end of that of Spider

-Man 3 have him in like more of an Iron Man the

first Iron Man Iron Man Mark 1 suit and then

and like and then in Spider you know the the

next one have him be in an even more sleeker

suit and then just have him be like almost a

joke character where it's like who should we

get for our sixth member and they're like what

about that beetle guy and they're like no he's

a joke and then have him be just a joke, and

then by like Spider -Man 5 have him be just better

than the Sinister Six. They're like, can we get

him? I think that that would be a great element.

It'd be very comic book -like, and it would follow

really how the beetle has been played. I think

they could have started with the first movie

and doing it, but I think they could still do

it. And getting into just any other things about

the overall film, any scenes or parts that you

had problems with, anything that you had an issue

nitpick or anything like that, what bugged you

that you haven't brought up already, Nate? I

think I brought up all my nitpicks. I don't want

to nitpick this one anymore. I just want to pretend

that it's probably better than it is. I had one

scene that stuck out to me when I was when I

was first viewing this film and like I said I

maybe I need a repeat viewing to find To be a

little bit more critical about this film, but

I didn't like the fact that when Gwen Stacy is

in the I don't know if you want to call it control

room or whatever And she needs to do the one

thing that nobody else can do apparently which

is push that button There's a it's it's covered

and there's a padlock on it and then they just

conveniently like show part of a scene that basically

has a guy holding the key. Wait, what happened?

I'm confused right now. She needs to unlock,

she needs to hit that one button or turn the

thing on or do whatever to get the power back

on. And there it is, it has a plastic or a metal

or some type of covering on it, it looks plastic.

and then it has a padlock locked and she can't

get it off and then she just like looks to her

left and there's a guy's hand like upright and

there's a key in his hand to that padlock. Oh

geez. I don't remember that part. Really? Because

you looked at me when you're like really? In

the theater. It's been a whole day, Matt. To

me that was too easy. I wanted her to struggle

a little bit more with finding a way in there

and to just have some random guy not just not

she could have even found a guy and like went

through his pockets or something and found a

key or something but for him to just like literally

be saying like here here's the key you need for

that it was way too convenient for me um that's

a good nitpick i think what they should have

done is had it been like a shovel and had her

pick it up and just break the lock even though

i know that like you can't break a padlock with

a shovel they do it all the time in movies it

would be like you know she is strong she doesn't

need spider -man She don't need no man. I thought

she was gonna turn like she turns away from that

and I was somewhat expecting or hoping that she

was actually just gonna do like what you see

in a lot of films where she finds like a gun

and Then even though she's never shot one before

and it would totally be out of her character

to see her kind of being like Struggling with

the fact that she's gonna have to try to like

shoot this lock off Like that's what I someone

was expecting and then instead she just turned

in the oh, there's the key I don't know. I thought

I could Go ahead. Why even lock it at that point?

Yeah. Yeah. At that point, just have something

that's not locked because there was no struggle

in getting it unlocked. It was just a pointless,

ended up being a pointless scene. There was a

couple of flashback scenes that I felt were entirely

unnecessary. I feel like a lot of that with flashback

scenes, especially if the flashbacks are in the

exact same movie we just saw. Like there were

issues like that. that's my last nitpick I'm

done Matt what about you any other problems we

haven't brought up yeah I got one that I find

a major problem but I'm gonna bring up one other

nitpick that my friend I have a friend he's very

He's very he hates everything. He doesn't like

anything. Um, yeah, his complaints are always

really weird and I love that aspect to him sometimes

I mean generally bothers me, but he's got some

of his nitpicks are hilarious and he's we were

talking He's like I got problems with the timeline

that movie I was like, what do you mean problems

with the timeline? It's like well, so he's supposed

to be 18, right? He's graduating high school.

Like yeah, that's that's where he is It's like

Hanson Harry. I don't know his parents died when

he's like eight, right? I'm like, yeah eight

that's about right for the movie like 10 years

ago, so 2004. I'm like, yep, we're good. Timeline's

good so far. He goes, I don't think that model

of Volvo existed at that time. I'm like, what

Volvo? And he's like, no, he's in the car and

he's in the seat and his parents are in the front.

I don't think that car existed. In 2004. Yeah,

don't - that's - that's - that's stupid. I'm

like, that is a silly complaint, and that's not

a timeline problem. That's unfortunate. But there

is a timeline problem that I think is a legit

timeline problem, which is, uh, what? Matt. That's

like, Spoonie level nitpicking. Spoonie? Do you

know who Spoonie is? I think - He's a - he's

a web critic. Yeah, okay, I don't - I know. He

- he nitpicks to the point of being annoying.

anyway the timeline problem i have is uh like

the green goblin or not the green goblin uh chris

cooper's character uh norman osborne he's uh

he dies at like 50 or so it seems like and like

you watch the videos and he's you know he's like

gray hair talking with uh richard parker and

it's like you know he might be 30 or 40 at that

point like harry is showing severe signs at 18

Like, his skin's peeling off, he's super shaking,

and you feel like he's only got a few more years,

that he's halfway through his lifespan. And I

feel like that was a little awkward. And then

combined with the, I'm gonna inject myself with

venom. Nope, that didn't work, I'm gonna jump

inside this healing suit. He's like, why don't

we try the healing suit first? I think he was

so set on the fact that he didn't know that existed.

the spider venom and that he just was convinced

that that was going to be the cure that he wouldn't

really have thought about the suit. I don't have

a problem with him shaking as much because as

they said the symptoms were supposed to start

at that age or he said that's about when it started

for him. But yeah, I thought the skin part was

a little too quick or a little maybe not too

quick but too too intense. Oh, hey Matt. Got

one more question for you. Do you think? How

do you feel about the storyline in this version

of spider -man that Oz corp is responsible for

all of it? Like everything I I think Oh including

spider -man if you yeah, I think that it makes

it more believable Like I mean, I don't know

if I like it, but I know that like going like

yeah Like there's a superhero and all of a sudden

super villains spring up because why wouldn't

there it's like, you know Well, I mean which

actually I mean if you go into science and nature

like when you have You know when high levels

of prey happens predators move in and it like

makes sense on a awkward like illogical scientific

standpoint the idea of like there's this one

company and they keep churning out things and

sometimes you'll get those things and they're

good and sometimes people get those things and

they're bad Makes more sense in the real I agree

100 % with what Matt just said. I actually really

liked that about this, that it was all, because

to me it's too fake when all of a sudden you

have, like I was thinking about it, like most

super villains and how they're created, it's

some type of weird accident experiment gene type

thing, whatever. It's weird to me that you would

have a hero and then all of a sudden, that you

would have something like that happen in so many

different spots. Like, to me, it's better if

it's all contained in a company or in a corporation

that is doing that type of stuff rather than,

hey, over in New York, this happened. Oh, wait,

over in San Francisco, this happened. Like, I

don't know. I like that it was all within that

one entity. OK. Fair enough. Any favorite parts,

favorite scenes, favorite lines, or favorite

aspects of the film that you haven't been able

to bring up yet, Matt? We out of spoilers now?

Yeah. Okay, cool. One thing I really enjoyed,

like it looked awkward at first, was when Spider

-Man's in the back of that Oscorp truck trying

to juggle all those uranium things. It looked

silly, the CG was a little off maybe, but I'm

like watching the scene and my first initial

act is like, oh, that's weird. And then I was

like, wait, no, I've read this comic. Like I've

seen this scene. This is exactly how it'd be

in the real world. And I totally am down. Like

that really like made my day. I found myself

finding a lot of stuff more humorous than I probably

was even supposed to because I was just laughing

at Peter Parker slash Spider -Man and just about

everything he did. Yeah, that's how it should

be. I'm like, I find that funny. I don't care

if nobody else does. I find that funny. And they

were so quick and so nonchalant that it's almost

stuff that you don't necessarily remember right

after, but stuff that made the viewing experience

more enjoyable. Anything else, Matt? Nah, I don't

know. Like, I enjoyed it. Nate, anything specific?

I liked when he told Electro to lick his hand

and then he did his hair. Oh yeah, that was great.

Nice. Alright, well then getting into our overall...

Go ahead. I remembered one thing, which I wanted

to say earlier, but I didn't have a good moment.

That first spider -man electro scene where it's

like, you don't you don't remember me like, you

know, like he had imagined You know next time

I talk to spider -man. I want to talk about this

with this like I've had those moments before

like in my life where it's like I like I expect

the next meeting with that person's gonna go

down this way and then like I meet it and then

like it doesn't go at all how I thought and like

I could so I could totally feel what he was feeling

right there and I really enjoyed that as a socially

awkward person who finds himself in social situations.

And help give you a way to relate to that character

and make it a little bit more believable. Before

we give our overall thoughts and grades on this

film, one thing we didn't talk about, well we

talked about it somewhat in passing, but let's

talk about real quick the end credit scene and

then the trailers that we saw for this film because

there's one that I wanted to point out that we

were talking about a little bit off air. But

number one, I for some reason had a complete

like brain dead moment where the credits started

to roll and I was like, Oh, I'm looking forward

to seeing what else we see from like to set up

the sinister six and to set up, you know, the

more villains or whatever is going to be potential.

And then the scene started and I'm like, Oh my

God, I'm an idiot. I'm like, I forgot that the

whole Talking about the whole deal with the X

-Men blah blah blah. I'm like I need to punch

myself in the face But what did you guys think

of the end credit scene? Nate and I had a moment

with that actually We're like we're sitting there

and Nate's like do we really need to stay to

the end of these credits? And I was like yeah,

like what if they do an end credit scene like

all they're gonna do is the trailer like And

it was like do we really need to say to see another

trailer? Yeah, and that was all I did Yeah, and

it was so just forced in like which I mean I

have to admit if they're like, hey We're gonna

let you keep that guy but we had to put a trailer

in our of our movie in your movie during the

credits Like sure. We always do end credits.

No, no, no during the credits Like I mean if

they're gonna get they get the most of their

money, I guess So we also didn't mention because

I forgot but I just want to get your quick reaction

to the However many ways to die in the West trailer

Nathan oh Yeah, the The Doc Brown part were you

expecting that? No, I wasn't although you know

it's kind of funny um as soon as I saw that was

like of course The the only reason why we haven't

seen that is because it's not animation and Seth

MacFarlane can't throw in a thousand Celebrity

and referential jokes like that, but that's one

he can actually do so I Get where that where

that is now That was a mind -blowing moment for

me. I was just like Joel and I were like what?

Now we even want to see that movie more But I

don't think it's I think that's gonna be the

joke Could be and be like what? Oh, OK. Later.

And then that's it. I don't think I don't think

Doc Brown is going to be a huge part of that

movie. No, no, not unfortunately. It still adds

something to it, though. Yeah. All right. So

then gaining our overall. final opinions and

grades on this film on a 1 through 5 scale and

if you want to compare it to all the other Spider

-Man films or if you want to compare it to Captain

America as superhero films of 2014, go however

you want to treat it. Matt, what do you overall

think of this film? Well, in the tradition of

traditional sequels, I would totally say the

first one's a 4. Solid 4, maybe even a 4 .5.

This one... 3 .5 It's a high 3 .5. Like, you

know, I want to give it a 4 maybe upon reviewing

I'd give it a 4 but 3 .5 is what I'm gonna go

Officially, that's my star rating. I Would actually

flip flop it myself. I would give the first one

a three and a half and the second one a four

I genuinely like the second one better than the

first one A lot of different ways including the

I like the villains in this one better I think

you got more Andrew Garfield and more development

there the relationship between him and Gwen Stacy

furthered I Don't know. I like the humor better.

I like I liked most things about this film better

than the first one and I like the first one So

yeah, I would give this one a four Nate. What

about you? I'd probably give the first one of

Three point five and this one a three Fair enough

and agreement How about just real quickly as

far as where this one ranks amongst spider -man

films Nate where would you we've had five now?

Where do you think this one falls? I? Haven't

had wait we we've had more than five there was

one in the 70s Okay Um, I don't know. I'd have

to rewatch three to see if it's. Three is all

good or not. People say that three is the lowest.

OK, I haven't. Fair enough. But popular opinion,

three is the lowest. But I don't know, I still

think I like. I think I think if I want to rank

them all just right now, probably like Spider

-Man two. Then like. Amazing Spider -Man 1 and

then Spider -Man 1 and then Amazing Spider -Man

2 All right, Spider -Man 3. What about you Matt?

I would go Amazing 1, Amazing 2, Regular 1, Regular

2, Regular 3 All right, and I would go Amazing

2, Amazing 1 and then I'd have to rewatch Spider

-Man 1 and 2 to figure out which one I like better

out of those two and then Spider -Man 3 at the

bottom I generally think this is the best I've

best Spider -Man film I've ever seen. But like

I said, maybe my opinion will change as I go

forward. I actually would almost say that this

is to me was possibly even better than Captain

America. Anyway, I don't want too many people

to throw stuff at their computer. So I'm not

gonna say that loudly. Which is weird because

I totally wasn't expecting to like this better

than I like Captain America, but I may have.

It's a different it's a way different movie.

Yeah. It hits on this completely different, you

know touch it touches on different whatever you

want to say No, it's different feel completely.

All right. Well, that's it for the main attraction

When we come back, we will be getting into coming

attractions and close out the show for you Spider

-Man, Spider -Man, does whatever a spider can.

Spins a web, any size, catches seeds, just like

flies. Look out, here comes the Spider -Man.

Is he strong? Listen, bud. He's got radio active

blood. Can he swing from a thread? Take a look

overhead. Hey there, there goes the Spider -Man.

In the chill of night at the sea. All right.

As for coming attractions this week, Blu -ray

releases, there's not a lot of new stuff as far

as like last year's films or anything like that.

It's mostly releases of either older stuff or

like some type of anniversary stuff. And then

we get a whole slew of Godzilla films coming

out on DVD or Blu -ray in anticipation of the

new Godzilla movie. There's literally one, two,

three, four, five, six different Godzilla Blu

-rays coming out this next Tuesday. That's awesome.

So if you're a Godzilla fan, Christmas has come

early. Other than that, like I said, nothing

really new that's coming out. There's a Blazing

Saddles 40th Anniversary Edition coming out on

Blu -ray. So you might want to pick that up,

I guess, if you're a Blaze and Saddles fan. As

far as theater releases, though, we do have a

few. Now, remember, this is basically the interim

between Spider -Man and X -Men, so not a lot

of stuff's gonna try to compete with that. For

animation -wise, we have Legends of Osdorthy's

Return, which has been three years in the work.

That movie, dude. That movie is going to... Disappoint.

Yeah, it had such potential when it first got

rumored three years ago with Kelsey Grammer and

Patrick Stewart and like all these Awesome people

involved and then it has just gone into a nonsense

land somewhere And then we have neighbors the

comedy there The big comedy release and then

we also have chef which we talked about a few

times getting a limited release Is chef gonna

get an actual release? I'm assuming in some places

in the bigger markets it'll filter out here in

the next couple weeks, but it'll just be New

York and LA this next week. Neighbors will be

everywhere, obviously, so you can check that

out if you're into any of those actors or just

looking for a comedy in between the superhero

films. Anything that interests you out of those,

Nate? If I'm gonna see a movie next week, it's

probably gonna be Neighbors unless we get Chef

because that's the only other one that I'm interested

in. Right. Or if you really want to buck the

trend and what everybody's just saying, I guess

you could try to go see Transcendence and see

if it's really as bad as everyone's saying it

is. We could do that. As for the credit conversation

from last week, we were asking people what DC...

Character we would most like to see in a Justice

League film We got a few responses there Matt's

not here anymore with with the show, but he agreed

with Freddie Savage that Captain Marvel or elongated

man would be cool to see We had people say Adam

Metamorphole red tornado that came in from Connor

Murphy Let's see. Who else do we have a firestorm?

Freddie Savage also mentioned The Elephant Man.

Oh, no. Sorry. That's not a superhero. That's

a film from David Lynch. I'm getting my comments

confused. Booster Gold was mentioned by Beyond

Humor, and a few people agreed with that. Dr.

Fate by Justin Washington. What do you think

about some of those suggestions, Nate? Yeah,

Dr. Fate. Dr. Fate would be great. Yeah, definitely.

And Captain Marvel definitely would be awesome.

Alright, so we thank you for those comments and

keep the comments coming. We already said the

question for this week and that would be who

do you want to see as the last member of the

Sinister Six if we are correct in our assumption

on the first five based on this last movie, but

who would you want to see as number six? Alright,

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not enjoy so let us know we know do those again

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I enjoyed it too so hopefully we can do some

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