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For 35 years a secret group has controlled the

way you see movies there are clergy in the room

These are moral censors. They forced great filmmakers

to change their art I was so devastated. I got

the call and they said NC -17. That's when my

blood turned to ice water. Because the studio

won't release your movie. No advertising budget.

You can't run TV spots. No one's ever found out

who they are. Who is controlling this thing and

how are they controlling it? No one knows. That's

the whole point. Until now. We're actually hiring

a private investigator to try to find out who

these people are on the board. It's time the

MPAA got a rating of its own. The MPAA... That

pinkish color building, there's absolutely no

way of going in. when an Oscar -nominated director

and a private dick They're gonna all start coming

out. We'll take some place. It looks just like

a little butt. dig deep. Oh, a lot of women.

We need to go for this. Got a rater. To expose

Hollywood's dirtiest secrets. Hello. One woman

is topless, breast exposed. So what I don't understand

is who's counted the f***? Do you ever do interviews

at all? No. I'm already divulging a lot here.

At some point I think I have to draw a line.

For seeing my pubic hair, we get an NC -17. Violence

is fine, sex isn't. You almost got us caught.

We're going, look at that man. Is he filming

us? Discover the movie. You are dealing with

a very powerful censorship group. Hollywood doesn't

want you to see. I'm going to say the F for it.

It's the fascist system. Hi, is this the MPAA?

Yes, yes. I'd like to submit my film for a rating.

It's a documentary. It's about how films are

rated. This September, censorship gets fucked.

Hello and welcome to M wire movie we can review

I am your host if June Mike and joining me is

more old and hello, sir How's it going? It's

gone and welcome ladies and gentlemen to the

special episode called rating pending It was

probably I think I think it was after I watched

the film that we're gonna be talking about this

time around I think it was after you introduced

me to it. I'm like hmm That's easy. Instead of

having a numbered episode, I can just call it

rating pending, considering the subject matter

we'll be talking about here. So, 2014 we ended

with episode 115 on Guardians of the Galaxy.

This year in 2015, MWIRE is going to have an

explosion of content. Not exactly Michael Bay

proportions of explosions, but the podcast is

coming back stronger than ever. My goal for MWIRE...

by new year's eve of 2015 is that we at least

get to episode 175 it's a very very lengthy and

tasking goal but that's that's the plan i don't

know if it's going to happen like that but that's

the plan uh coming up you're going to hear various

episodes um the goal now with movie we can review

is to hit movies from almost all generations

I may say to Dan or Kevin or Steve or I may bring

in some outsiders that want to do the horror

genre since that's not my thing. I don't want

to say that the podcast will hit all film genres

because it won't. But the goal now is with the

podcast is to kind of give you guys a variety

of tastes. Like just for an example here. We

will be covering over the next few months or

so Episode 116 will be paycheck with Ben Affleck

and Uma Thurman episode 117 will be an affair

to remember Episode 118 will be the man in the

iron mask Episode 119 will be Dragon the Bruce

Lee story starring Jason Scott Lee. I think I

think that was what his name was Episode 120

will be the Expendables and so you can see folks

that I'm going for a wide variety of Different

films to pique everyone's interest not just the

whole geek side of it What have you been up to

in your film watching sir? Well a little bit

of catching up with stuff. I missed in 2014 recently

We see they watch wild which was nominated for

two Oscars for leading performance for recent

with their spoon and Lord during that supporting

I liked it it was from by the same guy who did

Dallas Buyers Club and it's a little indulgent

but it's enjoyable and also enjoyed watching

I saw American sniper as well, which was like

Killing it in the box office in January setting

up records and I overall like that too. It's

probably Clint Eastwood's best movie since Gran

Torino, it's not it has issues. Definitely. It's

a little thin overall, but Bradley Cooper's second

there I thought you were gonna say it's probably

his best film since Million Dollar Baby I Would

say I think it's a better movie than Million

Dollar Baby. I will Million Dollar Baby is okay.

It's a little bit it gets the family dynamic

in that it's pretty awful Same similar with with

American sniper. I just like I mentioned I feel

like Clint Eastwood doesn't know human emotion

all that Well, he doesn't know how to portray

it on screen. So when it comes to like he was

dirty Harry, so I mean He's very he's a very

dry fellow so when he tries to Go get on screen

through actors. It doesn't always work. Especially

when it comes to relationships, but uh, I mean

Bradley Cooper's pretty phenomenal on that i

think it's probably the best performance he's

done he really like loses all of his bradley

cooperness and gets into the role yeah i mean

he um he is one of those actors that really surprises

me what he does these days yeah because for me

i the first time i ever saw him or ever knew

him was as Gardner's Sydney Bristow's will hurt

her best friend on alias does the first time

I ever saw him in anything Yeah, was was the

TV series alias and I've seen you know People

can hate it if they want to I thought he played

a pretty good updated version of face man in

the a -team Regardless of how horrible that movie

may be to some people I thought he pretty did

did a pretty good damn job as face, and then

I saw him in limitless Uh, you know, he's a very

versatile and very different actor. I don't think

he He's not one of those actors that just goes

for Where the money is he picks his roles? very

Very well. Yeah, he's been he's been being more

proactive working with better directors Like

he's especially with david r russell because

he's you know He did american hustle in silver

linings playbook with them. It's kind of odd

because this is the third year in a row He's

been nominated for best actor which is you know,

it's a Rare company that he's in so I I don't

think he's one of I want to put him on the top

echelon of actors today But I do think he you

know, he's getting better and better and like

you said He's picking better roles and just being

the douchebag that was in wedding crashers or

something like that So he's really good in that

role He he does he does make you he can make

you hate him very easily But you know every so

often he'll do a hangover three here and there

but all actors do that, you know Please tell

me that franchise is dead. Oh, please tell me

there's not gonna be a fourth hangover I think

it's I think it's good and dead because the third

one did not do very well So I think they realized

okay, this this cash cow is no longer no longer

viable And for me I've been watching a whole

bunch of movies that I haven't seen in a long

time or movies I've never seen such as You know

and an affair to remember and stuff like that

I even have I want to eventually try and I know

a lot of people will be happy about this I want

to eventually try to see bullet because I've

never seen that movie I've heard a whole bunch

about it but I've never actually seen it but

this time around in this kind of special M wire

we're actually going to be talking about a super

secret society that Hollywood keeps very well

hidden. Yes. Because in 2006, Kirby Dick went

ahead and made a film called This Film Is Not

Yet Rated. It's a documentary all about the Motion

Picture Association of America and the secret

society that they are. Yeah. And it's pretty

much an inside look to the process of how the

MPAA gives ratings out and how a film gets a

certain rating. It's a great documentary, but

it's a weird -ass process that they go through.

Yeah, it's you you see especially to the inconsistency

with the project with the process especially

when you know There's a good deal of talking

heads in this you kind of need that to get a

better background edit You have everyone from

Kevin Smith to trade stone and Matt Parker to

other, you know independent filmmakers and you

see Just how a scene in one film that's more,

you know more independent doesn't have this massive

studio behind it will Be rated like to gratuitous

to be a rated R But that similar scene and something

like American Pie will be fine because it's you

know, it's a studio film So there was some you

know, there are a lot of questionable Practices

that they that they do when making these ratings.

Sometimes you realize just how You know, it could

just be a random crap shoot with the depending

the difference between getting an NC 17 rating

and an R rating so Mean I see the rating system

now not not just for films, but also for you

know for video games on the video game side of

it They say what exactly the you know they say

what the rating is whether it's you know E for

everyone or M for mature and then under it they

give you a reason why you know over you know

extensive cartoon violence or Blood guts and

gore or whatever else and and all is the the

MPAA half of the ratings when I see what a film

is rated, it just says, oh, it's rated R for

this, this, and this, or, you know. And they

have, you know, it's the standard term, sexual

situations, or adult language, or, you know,

they have the whole thing now on TV where it's

like, you know, TV 14, DLSV, and this, that,

and everything else, but it, it always really

surprises me. when the MPAA is in the news or

anything like that because it's like, who are

these people? I mean, you know, that's what I

wanted to learn from watching this thing. And,

you know, come to find out that most of them

are just everyday people, right? It's a combination

of a, yeah, that's kind of the odd thing about

the MPAA is I think a lot of people think it's

like a government organization or something of

that nature, but it's not. It's an independent

organization that is run by and founded by most

of the major movie chains that they put together

and make the decision. That's why you see more

leniency towards more studio projects because

Those are the people that are making the the

system up. Basically they stepped in in To get

it kind of around that because before like you

had the rated ours the rated and you know rated

pg -13 Before this rating system you had well

when movies first started you really had nothing

and then you had the you know, the ultimate censorship

You had like complete censorship where you had

to bring your movie to this board and they would

decide if you can go, you know Be made or not

like there wasn't necessarily a rating but like

you anything that was objectable Got rejected

and you couldn't use that in your movie. Then

they kind of moved to this more rating system

and So I remember as a kid the rating system

in the 80s was G PGR NC 17 and X. Yeah and and

then pg -13 came out i think the first film that

ever really one of the first films major releases

was red dawn that was like one of the most notable

ones that had the pg -13 rating and a lot of

it was due to movies like gremlins and uh you

know indiana jones the temple of doom that weren't

necessarily but because it had no nudity or anything

like that, but PG was a little bit, you know,

parent gardens, they weren't quite that as well

when you have someone like literally tearing

the heart out of somebody. So PG -13 was founded

to kind of be that middle ground. And some people

have said that's done a lot of negative things

because now you have a lot of comedies that will

soften and be a little bit more. PC to get the

PG -13 rating rather than the R because getting

a PG -13 rating you have a bigger audience and

You're gonna potentially make more money compared

to an R rated film which tends to be you know,

they tend to make less and It's harder for you

know people to go see them Yeah, you recently

Put out your top 100 most anticipated films of

2015 and you had put on one of them that I forget

which film it was for. You'll remind me once

I say this, but you put on one of them about

how the 80s is the decade where we're all kind

of like, hey, franchise movies this and franchise

movies that, and this is where everyone has the

nostalgia and everything else. And the funny

thing is about that is that I remember a lot,

and I've said this before on the podcast, I mean,

M .Y .E .R.'s almost six and a half years old

now. Well, it's five and a half, almost six years

old now. Uh, and it's one of those things where

I've seen the podcast before. My mom let me watch

anything. I mean, seven years old, you know,

seven, eight, nine years old. I remember 80 late

88, early 89. I remember watching Beverly Hills

cop too, which came out in 87 and that is clearly

rated R obviously, you know, but it's one of

those things where. Nowadays, I would say I had

this feeling more around 2006 to 2009, but it's

like. those three years everything was PG -13

every single movie that obviously outside of

like animated films or any of that kind of I'm

talking about like things like a Beverly Hills

Cop 2 or things like a Terminator 2 or whatever

it is it's like everything nowadays it seems

like it's all PG -13 and I only noticed recently

the rated -R films kind of bringing it back I

mean In that three -year time period, I can only

think of any any film I had seen on TV for a

trailer or whatever else that was rated R, it

was a horror movie. I mean, yeah, I mean, the

rated R comedy certainly went away. They, you

know, they're making comebacks here and there.

You have ones like, you know, this is just the

end and, you know, some of the Seth Rogen ones

and, you know, 22 Jump Street 2. I think that's

actually not sure what that's rated. But yeah,

like you rarely see PG eating more unless it's

a cartoon. It's usually PG 13 or R. And then

like the limits of PG 13 are certainly being

tested by a lot of people, especially someone

and like Nolan, I know a lot of people mentioned

with like the Dark Knight that there's a lot

of violence in that, but there's not much blood,

which kind of gets into what they're talking

about, where you can show a lot of people dying

and getting shot up, but if there's no blood,

it's okay, so it's PG -13, but if there's blood,

it's R, which you think, I don't know if that's

really, if that should be the determining factor,

but you're right, most people are going towards

PG -13 and R is a rarity. It's weird too, because

I remember, in 2010, there was the movie The

King's Speech, which ended up being rated R because

they said the F word. And there's really nothing

objectable in that movie whatsoever. It's this

British drama about one of the past kings. And

there's nothing really objectable, but they say

the F word, so it's rated R. And there was a

to -do about that because it's a type of movie

you may want to show in your history class because

it goes over But you can't show an R rated movie

in history class. So they ended up re -releasing

it with a PG -13 rating just removing that. But

if you watch something like The King's Speech

and compare it to something like, I don't know,

The Expendables. Three just came out this year,

which is pj -13 I I would say which one's more

objectable Which one do you want a 13 year old

to watch? I would say there's probably a little

bit more questionable things in Expendables three

than there is in the king's speech, but it is

that f word that changes it so it's you realize

kind of like it's a very Objective type of thing

to do which is makes it this one entire process

that more that the entire process a little bit

more questionable because like you said you don't

really know a lot behind what got that PG -13

rating or that R rating it could do be pretty

much anything. Right and Kirby Dick's film here

this film is not yet rated it pretty much points

out with itself with the film with the documentary

itself it pretty much points out that you know

with the use of you know the f -word or showing

sexual situations. The documentary almost got

an NC -17 rating. The first draft of it, or the

first cut of it that they sent the MPAA did,

and they had to cut that back to get whatever

it is. I assume it's rated R or not. It's not

rated anything. Yeah, that's well And that's

the other thing too. Yeah, go ahead Is that you

mean people like well, why do you have to get

rated? Well, if you want it release in theaters,

you need to be related You need it for it to

be rated because the MPA is run by the theater

industry So if they don't rate it, they won't

play it. So you kind of stuck I mean luckily

he had a documentary. So there's other ways around

that but yeah, it is it's kind of crazy Yeah,

I mean, it is really nuts, and... I don't underst

- like, okay, I don't - I've said this before

on many podcasts that I've done in the length

of time that I've podcasted. For me, if it personally

does - it personally does not affect me. Who

Tom Cruise is getting married to or getting divorced

from or who's having a child. I don't care about

what he does in his personal life. I mean, unless

the guy isn't doing, you know, criminal acts,

even then it doesn't really bother me that much.

As long as he gives me the next great Mission

Impossible movie or whatever movie he's going

to be, you know what I mean? It's like, I care

about the body of work. I don't care about the

actor's personal life. But at the same time,

it's like, I still want to know. Who the hell

these people think they are that are in this

society to rate these films? And I think in the

documentary, he says that some of them are just,

like I said, everyday people, like teachers.

And you get the church involved. And of course,

you get clergymen or pastors or whatever you

want to call them, whatever church that they

have in there. When I watch this it boggles my

mind how secretive because they used a private

investigator throughout this entire thing to

try to Hunt some of these people down and I'm

like wow really what I mean it is like really

close net That's the thing too. Yeah, I mean

that's probably one of the most interesting things

about the documentary is that it Not only does

it get into what's wrong with it. It tries to

figure out what exactly you know who it is Yeah,

who yeah what it is and who these people are

and kind of like how they lied in a lot of ways

where they've said like people are only on this

board for a limited amount of time and you know

it and they're supposed to be people who have

kids of a certain age and how that's not necessarily

always true and it's you know, There's a lot

of secrecy behind it because I think it's there's

not nearly as much thought Put into it as as

filmmakers are probably like there to be they

seem to just put out whatever like there's a

good section with the creators of South Park

Who Parker? I'm a true Parker Marston who talked

about how and they knew that their firm was gonna

be ejectable So what they did was when they did

made something like well, please team America

world police They put in horrible scenes they

knew would get cut and they had no desire of

actually using them But they just wanted them

to focus on those so they could actually use

the things that they wanted to so it's like you

have to play these little games they got to get

what you want just because you know, they're

gonna focus in on weird things and how The kind

of the hypocrisy regarding like male sexuality

compared to female sexuality and how you know

It's like one's judged a lot harsher than the

other so it yeah, it's it's weird that it's so

There's no transparency whatsoever. So it's good

for an documentary like that that kind of goes

after it and tries to figure it out and Absolutely

Absolutely After you would watch this did you

come away learning anything? I think I mostly

from Finding out who the people were that was

kind of interesting But I don't think that's

the most impactful part most of it that what

you learned I think the best part of it is probably

from the filmmakers themselves and explaining

how odd it is and how I think I keep going back

to Trey Parker match so but I think they're a

good example because You know, they did something

like orgasmo, which was an independent film And

then there's something like South Park and with

team America, which was a studio film in there

They explained to the differences and how doing

independent films still give you they're like,

okay, it's NC 17 But they won't tell you why

but then when it comes to studio film they're

like, well remove this this and this and then

you're good So it is I don't know if there's

just less, you know, there's What you're seeing

though I kind of i'd be interested in kind of

seeing a sequel to this because I think a lot

has changed in five years especially with the

increase of stuff like netflix streaming and

on demand that you don't need the studio system

nearly as much as you used to you know, a lot

of people are Releasing films on demand now over

You know getting them released in theaters and

they're doing well I mean obviously you had the

huge above with the interview that happened this

year That ended up making a good amount not nearly

as much as it would in the theater But before

that this past summer you had something like

snowpiercer, which was did really well, too So

a lot of the issues that people had getting their

films really released because of ratings and

the MPAA They're no longer really a factor in

some ways because you can kind of go around them.

So In the way they're losing their power in that

instance, but they I mean still you want people

want their stuff released in theater so I think

that's the thing I learned about just how how

Tighten eight tighten it this group is and how

impossible it is to kind of get around. So You

know the one thing I wish I would have learned

from this is how to join the damn thing. No,

I'm serious. No, I don't. But I'm saying like,

like, okay, sure. They showed in the documentary

that, you know, some of these people are teachers

or, you know, people, you know, that have relations

to the church or some of them might be Hollywood

producers or directors or studio heads or whatever

else. But how what's the process? How does a

teacher from How does a teacher mother of three

from BFE Kentucky get in, get a teacher and a

father of two from California? What's that whole

process of how they choose who is on there? That's

what I kind of would have liked to learn a little

bit more about. Not necessarily the personal

lives of these people, but the workings of their

application process. Yeah, that definitely would

be interesting. And like you said, you know,

how long, like, okay, say, you know, you know...

Guy over here is you know accepted did is there

a certain term? Is it like the presidency is

it like, you know speed? No, there's no I'm serious

I mean it might sound it might sound funny But

I'm being serious is is there a certain like

once you're approved does your application have

an expiration date? Well saying that you can

only serve for this this and they do mention

that in the documentary that there isn't supposed

to be a term limit but the issue is that People

aren't aren't necessarily following that and

I mean and that's kind of the tough that's a

good point though It's like how do you get into

this? MPAA this rating board to begin with and

Again, that's an issue that's nearly not been

released and still really hasn't been so it's

just you know I don't know what they do. It's

just people that it's something it's something

like the Nielsen ratings, right? It's like how

to how does someone get a Nielsen's box? I guess

I don't know. Do you get a phone call one day

and it's like hey, it's MPAA We want you to join.

I don't know. That's that's a good point. Good

question The Nielsen's thing is a whole other

topic for another podcast entirely. It's funny

you mention that because by the time this goes

up, it might be a few months ago, when Last Man

Standing had its episode Helen Potts. And Patricia,

what's her name, Patricia Richardson came back

and played Tim's character's neighbor. They go

back and forth, oh yeah, it was on for eight

long, you know. You know the other show and whatever

else is on eight long years and yeah, but we

had great neighbors the Nielsen's is just so

many just But yeah the Nielsen ratings that's

something we can cover on remote control or telecast

or whatever else But that would be an interesting

thing to find out because I I believe we were

uh... at the time back in the eighties i think

we were in the isn't nelson household with my

house because i remember us getting envelopes

of cash this is that this is what i told you

yet we get nelson ratings and will be cash it

seems a little bit uh... no no no i'm saying

is like i've signed you know i remember as a

kid you know getting the mail and seeing something

that they had Nielsen's board or whatever it

was that it said and my mom opened it and there

would be like anywhere from $10 to $25 in there

in cash and I'm like who does this and that's

all that was in there was the cat there was no

notice no nothing It's just just the money and

it's like, okay then that works, you know All

that did they deal in cash? You think they would

least go check but I don't know because there's

less paper trail. Yeah Less way to track them

down in this day and age. Yeah, what was the

very first rated -r movie you ever saw? Oh, wow

It's turn reader to read it or maybe actually

probably the predator I'm thinking the original

credit or that might have been the first rated

-r film I watched For me, it's probably It would

had it would had to have been Probably the most

one I can remember as a kid would probably Beverly

Hills cop too, but I know I'd seen a bunch of

Of Raider our film my family was like the opposite

of yours Like my parents are very strict on what

I was allowed to watch. I couldn't really watch

anything I remember trying to watch like kindergarten

cop and it was like PG. So it was that would

became an issue So yeah, I was but I had an older

brother who would you know Brent movies from

the? back when they had Blockbuster and things

like that, we would rent them and we shared a

room so I would end up watching them. I remember

watching Predator and being completely freaked

out in one of the early scenes where you see

the people skinned alive. I don't know if that

was technically the first one I watched, but

it's the one I remember the most. Maybe Robocop's

probably up there too. It's funny when you think

about how many R -rated movies had cartoons made

out of them in the 80s, but there were a few.

yeah absolutely and you know it's funny you brought

up Robocop because because we live in such a

day and an age where everything is PG -13 a few

years ago I went back and I went to watch Robocop

and I'm like oh my god this movie is way too

damn but like I didn't remember I mean I you

know I was probably it was probably 91 92 when

I first saw that movie so I was 11 or 12 and

I Did not remember that movie being that violent.

Yeah, I mean especially at 209 and whatever else

and it's like, oh my god What is this rated?

I look at oh my god. It's rated R. Holy crap

Yeah, I mean it was very much in that time and

very much reflection of just the gratuitous violence

of action films during that period and you know

it Did a good job was like satirizing just how

ridiculous they were getting because you realize

like the 80s had some really brutal action films

Like really over -the -top violence, which we

you don't nearly get as much today most of it's

a little bit like we mentioned like PG -13 so

stuff like the Bourne franchise and You know,

they're the violence is limited, you know It's

brutal but not necessarily with body parts getting

blown up and stuff like that. You you get that

That's why you have the expendable guys. It's

is not as violent as it used to be No, it's been

I think you kind of read reach the apex of that

and then it started kind of going down to the

90s with stuff, you know I think diehard kind

of changed the game a little bit and then you

had more stuff like speed and then the matrix

came around and it's you know, you've seen a

different evolution and when I Comes to action.

So I mean it could always go back to that. It

does kind of It is, you know cyclical in that

air and that response usually when it comes to

Trends in movies. So it's you could always go

back to that in some way. I know I know Svartje

Nager and Stallone are trying to bring that style

back but not having much luck well, I know you

don't care for the third installment, but I mean

the overall franchise for me personally the Expendables

is there It's them reliving the glory days and

it's you know, all of those different stars coming

to get like you could not have done that in the

80s, you know, you could not have had a movie

like The Expendables 1 & 2 in the 80s and it's

now because again, we live in a generation or

we live, you know as people of the 80s, we remember

all that stuff and we always want I don't think

anyone that I know of maybe outside of, I don't

know, maybe outside of you or somebody else,

but it's one of those things where I don't think

anybody I knew in the 80s that wouldn't have

wanted to see Stallone, Willis. Yeah, I would

love to see it in the 80s. All in one film. And

I think the Expendables really capture that and

share the stories. You can nitpick the stories

and the plots and whatever else, but it's like

the scenes where they get to, you know, Be in

a room and fighting the bad guys together. I

mean everybody versus John Claude Van Damme.

Come on now. That was pretty awesome Yeah, I

mean, I don't know that actually just isn't I

find it tiresome I'd rather watch like, you know,

give me an option between Expendables three of

the ray two. I'm gonna probably go with the ray

two. I don't I just I don't I It just go the

action and those films get a little bit repetitive.

But anyways fact it's kind of interesting though

kind of getting back to the Documentary that

you know, it has had some effect on the MPA not

a large part I mean a lot of it's still the way

it is but one of the big talking points in this

was how films weren't able to Compare each other

like come to compare themselves to other films

that had the same writing or you know say hey

listen You're saying I can't be PG -13 because

of this but hey this movie has the same thing

and it's rated PG -13, but they did change that

practice in 2007 I don't you know, I don't know

if it's because of this maybe you know There

was a lot of pressure to do that But I think

that's at least one good thing where they are

allowing movies to compare themselves to other

movies get good ratings they're getting the proper

ratings, but It is interesting when you see certain

films rated certain things like I think a big

one like we mentioned is the Dark Knight where

it's like You could rate that are and I would

I could understand why because there's a lot

of you know You have to like the pencil scene

and you know the Joker himself He does a lot

of really intense, you know violent acts But

you don't it always like cuts away at the right

moment So I don't know like it to me that is

just as violent as seeing someone get blown up

a little bit because you're the left your imagination's

left to kind of fill in the blanks which can

be even more traumatic for a kid if Yeah, absolutely

and you know we you know back in the 90s we lived

in an age where we had something and I by no

means and Saying this movie is any good hell.

I don't even think I've ever seen it It's so

horrible, but there's two different versions

at the time of showgirls in 95 There's an NC

17 version and in our version. I'm like wait

How the hell can that happen and then I look

at stuff today? There's the regular theatrical

version, and then there's an uncut version that

comes out later, and I'm like or And I don't

mean you know director's cut is I see the director's

cut stuff a little differently, like if you take

Daredevil, and I know people will be like, yes,

please, take Daredevil away. But if you take

2003's Daredevil, you look at the theatrical

cut, and you look at the director's cut, it's

a completely different aspect of story. It's

the same film, but they add a few scenes here

and there, whatever else, but you look at...

I see advertisements for everything nowadays

where it's like, oh, this movie just came out

in DVD or Blu -ray or whatever. And then three

months later, oh, hey, here's the uncut version

of the same movie. And I'm like, wait, what?

Yeah, you get that a lot, especially with comedies

where it's like the unrated version. I remember

American Pie, I think, was one of the big. uh

proponents to begin with where they always had

their own rated version which they had scenes

that were they were specifically made that they

knew would not make it into the movie but would

make it into the dvd and yeah i mean directors

cuts a little bit different because that's just

certainly means that it's more gratuitous or

you have more shocking images it just could be

that the entire frame of the film is different

because you know ridley scott's probably the

most infamous directors who you know like blade

runner has like six different cuts to it that

changes a lot of things, like Aliens franchise,

too. So you do see that. Like, Director's Cut's

a little bit different. Director's Cut could

also have the same rating, but unrated versions

are usually just, to me, just more of a marketing

ploy to get more attention. Absolutely. Well,

this kind of goes to what you were just saying

about, you know. they may have cut some stuff

out or they may have, you know, shot scenes for

this specific thing. I remember specifically

when it comes to animated films, the only film

I know that has, you know, a edited version and

an original uncut version is Batman Beyond Return

of the Joker. because they had to use the edited

version for showing it on TV. But it's two very

different ways that the Joker dies. In the edited

version, everyone sees he slips in a puddle of

water, throws the switch, and electrocutes himself.

In the original uncut version, Tim Drake shoots

him. It's one of those things where you just

never know what's gonna happen with what. And

with this documentary, I really, really enjoyed

watching it. I really liked having the knowledge

of some of the stuff that goes through the MPAA.

And I, you know, it's one of those things where

it was a very interesting thing. Like, I wasn't

sure what to expect out of this. So we're gonna

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Hey, Dan, who's the guy with the creepy voice?

So, as I said before the break, folks, I wasn't

sure what to expect out of the documentary, but

after watching it, I, you know, got a little

bit more information. Looking back on the documentary

now, it feels like one of those real -life crime

programs I watch on Investigation Discovery,

where it's like, hey, go follow this guy or go

fights. It's so strange. Did the documentary...

Did it exceed any expectations you might have

or is there anything about it that you didn't

like or I mean I don't think necessarily things

that was really all that Concerning or anything.

I didn't like it I heard a lot about before I

ended up watching it be there was a because I

heard a lot of the Issues with the MPA before

it came out and they kind of just took them all

and put them into one documentary. I mean I think

what I like what I like about it is it takes

a you know, the typical talking hedge format

and you mentioned like the true crime aspect,

but I think that's important to make it more

than just You know people complaining. I think

it adds a little bit and Gets into you know,

it's more of an investigation piece if I can

find out well What is the story behind all these

other stories? So I did I did like that. So I

It does feel like a movie that Is a little self

-important at times, you know, it's definitely

like, you know, the director is Out to prove

something but at the end, I don't know what we

learned a lot We for those who aren't aware we

get information. What does it really? Come up

with a solution to it or anything like that or

An alternative or is there an alternative? Maybe

there isn't so maybe that's the only one negative

but now it I got exactly kind of what I expected

and I do think the best part of it are just the

stories from the different filmmakers and getting

that firsthand look into that process because

you know, I do look Enjoy learning about that

because it's a it's a part of the movie business.

You don't really hear about a lot And uh, it's

interesting when you think about it where it's

like you spend all that time and effort making

this movie And then you know some guy you don't

even know has ultimate authority over what happens

to your film So it is it's it's a weird system

in that way. So but I don't know Yeah, it's it

is very weird because you know, like you said,

you know if you put You know Four or five six

months, you know one two years worth of work

into a film You then have to send it off to get

rated kind of like kind of like how you send

stuff off to get graded like comics or toys It's

like, you know obviously with the The grading

system that's more to figure out the actual value

of of a comic or toy But it's similar to that

and and it's like okay. I've done all this work

on this thing I'm gonna send it off and not know

or not know what they're gonna nitpick at or

not know what they're gonna find offensive and

it It's the end I know it's to get The ratings

for the films to have them show in theaters,

but it really feels like all is the MPAA This

is a giant organization for film screenings The

main purpose of the MPAA is to design something

so the government doesn't get involved I think

that's the idea is like to keep it away like

so they have the movie theaters have more control

That's kind of the that's why they're a little

bit more That's why they're kind of particular

over the entire process I think because they

want to be able to control it themselves and

they don't want to give up that control and I

think there's actually kind of a Find out like

what it was like before the NBA and PAA there's

actually a really good scene in the square C

square C C film called the aviator where Eve

Howard Hughes kind of were trying to release

one of his films that he directed and they're

kind of going over the poster and they're objectifying

the poster and trying to say what's wrong with

it and he has to speak about it and trying to

kind of defend his His poster in his movie and

it's really interesting this to see because that

is literally a board of people that were across

that were standing there and it was him and they

were just kind of discussing it and again seeing

that system compared to this and they're both

problematic in their own ways. But it's just

kind of crazy when you realize that. And the

only real difference that's really occurred is

that we now have ratings. And now those people

that are in those chairs are not seen. So it's

kind of crazy. It is absolutely crazy. Is there

anything else you want to talk about on this

before we get out of here? No. I mean, I would

say if you watch this and you enjoy it, there's

Director did a documentary after this called

the invisible war which is completely different.

It's about Kind of relate rape that happens in

the military that goes unnoticed. It's very heavy

documentary, but it's quite good I would recommend

that I think that is still streaming on Netflix

I know as of this record the showman that is

not yet rated. It's currently not streaming but

check back here and there and it's usually on

it comes off and goes on it every so often so

It might be on iTunes or Amazon Prime or something

like that. I know it's on iTunes. It's on Amazon

Prime, but not for free streaming. But you can,

right? Well, right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

All right, folks. That's going to do it for us

here on this edition of MWIRE, as I said at the

beginning of the podcast. Coming up next is episode

116, which is Ben Affleck and Uma Thurman in

Paycheck, along with Aaron Eckhart, Mr. Two -Face

himself. Interesting seeing him outside of the

Harvey Dent persona. So that's going to do it

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sir? Well, I'm on Twitter at Moogervault, and

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