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And now the latest and greatest in movies with

M wire C Jarvis is it that time the house party

protocol sir correct? Hello and welcome to MWIRE

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Radio Network. I am one of your hosts, movie

role Dan and joining me on today's adventure

is TfG1 Mike. Hello. How are you today? Tired,

hot and ready to get this summer over with. That's

the trifecta. So that's awesome. Also joining

us today is from AlterGeek and off the cuff is

Michael Booth Powers. How are you? Good. How

are you? i am amazing uh... i am at all action

that last summer's tagline i'm just i'm happy

uh... well i guess we can kind of given that

people a little bit of idea of what we're doing

here today because it's a little bit different

than normal we're not necessarily doing a movie

review if you have checked out and were previously

probably checked out some of our summer preview

caps in our fall preview, but this is a little

bit different. We're actually going to be looking

past at the looking back at this past summer

to see like how it stacks up kind of give a little

bit roundabout our view of of the summer of 2013

movie wise you know as the days are getting shorter

the airs are getting a little bit crisper and

the kids are going back to school you know summer

summer is fortunately or unfortunately coming

to an end so with that comes the end of the summer

movie season you know the end of the block he

says the air is getting a little bit crisper

that's only if you live on the atlantic ocean

or in michigan it's it's cold here Wish it was

cold here in Kentucky. Holy crap. Yeah. Well,

it's a little bit crisp, you know football's

in the air here in Baltimore Yes, the Ravens.

Let's hope they can win I'm hoping not anyways,

but Anyway, so that kind of ends the summer movie

season as well We're kind of getting into the

fall now a lot of the blockbusters are kind of

going away I'm seeing a little bit of transition

But before we say goodbye, we thought we would

do a little bit of a recap of this past summer

the highs the lows the good the bad all that

great stuff. So the first thing we're going to

do here, though, is kind of if you're anything

like me, when you were in school, the big thing

you did when you came back was you did that classic,

you know, how I spent my summer vacation, you

know, whether you went to the theme park or the

beach or if you were cool and hip and with it

and you spent your summer inside air conditioning

playing video games all day, whatever that may

be. We're going to take that idea and twist it

a little bit for this episode. And we're going

to talk about how we spent our summer movie season,

what we saw, what we didn't see, all that. that

good stuff? I think I'll do a little bit of reverse

order here and I'll start with Booth. Since we

have two mics, it's going to get a little confusing,

but since you are one of those that works in

a movie theater, you can provide some good insight.

For the summer of 2013, what stood out for you,

good or bad? Didn't you see that you wanted to

see all that good stuff? How was your summer

movie season of 2013? I'd have to say surprising.

There was a lot of things that I was disappointed

by this summer. But, you know, the one thing

I kept kept my hopes up for was Pacific Rim.

And luckily, that didn't disappoint me as much

as other things did this summer. There wasn't

a whole lot that I wanted to see that I didn't

get to see. Because, you know, you work at a

movie theater, you know. Yeah, I do but sometimes

you know, there's a certain point where You know

if you if you were not me I mean I work two days

a week at the theater But I work doubles both

days and then I have the rest of the time off

But if you're my wife who's the general manager

of a theater and she works like five days She

doesn't want to go in preview movies, even though

she can for free because that's where she is

five days a week She doesn't want to go and do

that But So, you know, it kind of depends on

how often you work. And, you know, I like to

go Wednesday night if there's a movie that I

want to see and I'll catch something like I've

seen Riddick, which was fun. I'd have to say

the most disappointing movie to me this summer

is probably some other. I don't know how you

guys felt about it in general, but Iron Man 3

was my most disappointing movie of the summer.

That's it. You're off the shelf. We did an episode

of That Way Back When, but I don't think it's

disappointing. I overall enjoyed that movie,

but I guess not in getting, since it's not an

Iron Man review, but why do you think that movie

was disappointing, just to kind of give an idea?

I just felt like it was the first movie to come

out post -Avengers, so I had a lot riding on

that particular movie. As in terms of how the

Marvel movies are going to stack up post Avengers

And I don't think it did as well as I it didn't

it didn't live up to my expectations It felt

more like it should have been Iron Man 2 than

Iron Man 3 and I felt like Iron Man 2 should

have been Iron Man 3 In terms of the amount of

shield presence in either of the movies to keep

that connective tissue running But we talked

about that on an altered geek which you know,

will air sometime. But, I don't know. You know,

Pacific Rim was the one I had high hopes for

and it definitely delivered. I was looking forward

to Man of Steel and that didn't really disappoint

me that much. I don't know, you know, it's weird.

Everything was, almost everything was kind of,

sort of a let down. It's kind of a meh summer

for me with the exception of Pacific Rim. So,

but... Now we can let Mike talk about How he

spent his summer movies Yes, Mike. Well, how

was your I mean, you're pretty well known as

you're not the biggest fan of going in the movies

But you go here and there but for what you did

see what did you think of the summer of 2013?

like for the for the theater the for the theaters

that I go to I go to like if Okay, I'm gonna

let the audience in on my life here a little

bit currently I'm taking care of my mom because

she can't really take care of herself all the

time um every now and then we will go to movies

together so i go to that theater and it's maybe

20 bucks for the two of us for tickets because

i don't buy i will never i'm sorry mike i don't

mean to offend but movie theaters in general

suck for me now because they're like oh Spend

money on tickets and then spend seventy dollars

on popcorn and soda. Oh No, I don't even buy

concessions when I go like no Never I didn't

want to offend since you work it. You're not

going to offend me. Okay. Well, you know, so

I myself, you know, I might Bring a soda or bring

a box of candy and a backpack or you know something

that they're not gonna say anything to me about

But you know, we'll go to that theater and we'll

spend 20 bucks to see a movie or I will go to

a theater that is basically a hole in the wall

and I'll spend 675 and I think I saw Iron Man

3 I saw Despicable Me 2 Man of Steel Honestly,

I think those are the only three that because

I saw Iron Man 3 twice, but I'm trying to remember

if I saw any... I know there's a lot of ones

that I wanted to see. I wanted to see Fast and

Furious 6. I wanted to see G .I. Joe Retaliation,

which I know G .I. Joe currently, as of this

recording, Retaliation is out. I don't know if

Fast 6 is out yet, but... There's a lot of ones

I wanted to see, and normally for me, Fast 6,

that would have been the first thing I see, but

didn't they release that? They usually release

the Fast movies in early April. or they used

to, at least Fast Five came out in April when

it came out. So I think Fast Six was like, okay,

well, I'll get to it when I get to it. And that's

pretty much how I've been this summer. I'll get

to it when it gets to Redbox or Netflix or whatever

else. And it's not that I don't want to see the

movies. I don't want to have to go to the theater

to see it unless it's super big budget. With

me and Iron Man 3, I disagree with Mike. Iron

Man 2 was... Was it's not the best movie. I'm

not ever gonna say it was but it was a good movie

it focused on setting up the Avengers and Iron

Man 3 is kind of like the epilogue epilogue to

Avengers for Tony Stark because in the Avengers

as we said in that episode in the Iron Man 3

episode He basically had this life -altering

thing happen to him. So the third movie based

on him is gonna You know be what the third movie

was and he's going excuse me going to be doing

a lot of introspective thinking and rearranging

his life. So I loved Iron Man. OK, but the thing

is, they did that. Well, my thoughts on it are

actually, and like I said, Steve and I talked

about an alter geek. So maybe you'll understand

what I'm talking about when you hear that. But

I got the whole introspective thing. I totally

got that. I just felt like because he gets introspective

in the second one, too, about his dad. And I

felt like you could have mashed those two things

together and like she'll I don't know. The shield

involvement in two which nobody liked but I liked

it in two I felt would have felt it would have

fit better in three being that it's post Avengers

and they would be keeping an eye on their quote

-unquote heroes Versus all the shield involvement

in Iron Man 2 that everyone hated having like

They're just there for no reason So that's that's

I wasn't one of those everyone hated bits cuz

one of the things I love about the Iron Man 3

movie is that he's telling a story to someone

that we don't know until the very end of the

movie but Going on you know for me. I I don't

care what what other animated movies come out

this year for me Despicable me too is the animated

movie of the year for me Man of Steel I liked

it because it was something different. Thank

God somebody's not you know, trying to emulate

Richard Donner. You know, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed

the storytelling in that movie more than I thought

I would because I was like everybody else saying,

oh, wait, this isn't how it's supposed to happen.

This is, you know, and then they showed us how

he crash landed, you know, you know, in flashbacks.

I like that. I like that they took the in flashback

approach other than those. Three I can't think

of any other ones to this point of you know when

we're gonna release this that I've seen This

year, it's you know I want to see Such and such

and such and such I want to see now you see me

I want to see two guns I want to see a lot of

the stuff that's that's come out. I just haven't

I just I pick and choose I maybe see Between

the spring like the early months if something

good comes out in the summer I see maybe five

films a year. Wintertime, last year it was a

little bit better than what this year is gonna

be for me, but we'll get into that when we get

to Christmas time. But the summer movie season,

it was okay. For me the highlight overall for

live action was Iron Man 3 though. What about

you, Dan? Okay, well, I kind of will repeat what

Mike said, and this summer was surprising for

a few reasons. I mean, there were a few disappointments

for me. The two biggest that come to mind are

definitely Star Trek Into Darkness and Man of

Steel. Two movies I think overall enjoyed, but

two that I think expectation -wise they did not

meet. Like, they kind of just felt like passable,

but they didn't seem to kind of take advantage

of their opportunity all that much. Iron Man

3, like you mentioned, I thought it was fine.

I thought it was overall solid. I do think, though,

the more, like, that's not a movie I see myself

really resonating with me the years go on. And

for the most part, the big summer movies this

year, it's kind of the consistent, even the ones

I like, like World War Z. I mean, I've seen pretty

much everything. I'm kind of like the opposite

of you, TFG1 Mike. I go to the movies nearly

every weekend. I mean, I saw, last weekend, I

saw These three movies in the theater or just

just last weekend, you know, I've seen kick -ass

to I've seen I've seen pretty recently I've the

world's end and if I look back at the movies

that I feel like Really stood out to me and on

a good end or Pacific Rim, which I thought was

awesome It's to me what summer movies are for

it's huge a lot of a huge amount of fun great

special effects, great fight scenes. It's one

of the best movies experiences I had this year,

just in the huge massive scope of that movie.

And the second was The World's End, Edgar Wright's

movie, which I thought was really, really well

done. The first time I saw it, I thought it was

good. I kind of wasn't blown away by it, but

actually the second viewing was a must. And I

just realized how intricate that story is and

how deep it really gets. It's just... an amazingly

told story, and Simon Pegg in that movie is fantastic.

But for the most part, I would say besides those

two movies, it just seemed like Elysium to me

was a disappointment. It was good, but not nearly

to the level of District 9. And that seems to

be the consistent theory. It's just things are

good, but not great. I would if I were to like

grade this summer I would give it a passing grade

like maybe a c -minus or so um, it just I don't

know it just to me seemed like a summer of just

Like power said it just nothing really. I feel

like it's going to go on Yeah, I mean I like

i'm looking at you know The the show notes that

the viewers can't see here and I uh, I think

i've seen All but three of the movies in the

top 15 for the summer blockbusters um, and I

know like when we get down into some of the later

stuff, there's something that really surprised

me. But I totally agree about Star Trek Into

Darkness. I think that's one of the most... After

Iron Man 3, that becomes the next most disappointing

movie of the summer that I saw because I didn't

like the rehash of everything. There were certain

choices I think they could have made. Going into

the movie... I was expect like I knew that Benedict

Cumberbatch was in it. I knew there was the rumor

that he was going to play Khan and whatnot and

you know, it was it was a rumor because all the

production stills said he was some other guy

and You know, it's fine. Okay, so there it's

a it's a new villain and I'm I remember walking

into the theater It was gonna the IMAX version

of it had already been previewed and later that

night they were gonna preview the standard version

and I walked in in the morning and the people

that had previewed it, they started talking about

Khan and I was like, wait a minute, are you guys

talking about Into Darkness? They're like, yeah.

I'm like, ugh. Now I'm just even more let down

by the movie. Now, let me ask you this, are you

let down by the movie because it was Khan because

they went back to the old continuity to bring

him? No, it wasn't so much it was my initial

reaction yes i was bummed that it was con again

so like you know it's just you know they they

they made this huge effort in the first one to

make this to create this alternate reality and

then they just now and this is kind of like okay

but now we're just going to retell the same stories

but with a twist and then there wasn't even that

twist that there was that you know there there

wasn't even like a twist it was almost like a

straight up straight up retelling of it my the

twist to me would have been if I always thought

that Khan, because Starfleet, the way that movie

was portrayed, Starfleet, they looked like jerks

in that movie. And I felt sorry for Khan. I did

not feel sorry for Starfleet at all. I felt sorry

for Khan because I felt like he was some guy

that was, you know, he was woken up. His team

was woken up. They were going to be used as weapons.

I thought like in the beginning of the movie,

I thought that their payload. Was you know, they

were gonna their orders were to fire the torpedoes

at the Klingon homeworld and I thought his troops

were gonna be like the first wave of like a shock

team and They were gonna, you know go in stealthily

and and and start a battle with the Klingons

I thought that's what they were I thought Khan,

you know Hitch was going along with this plan

and he was like the mastermind of it But then

somewhere along the way he was like wait, I don't

want this for my people We just want to be left

alone. And I thought he was going to be like

just some guy that was trying to get his people

free. Right. And he was doing it the only way

he knew how. And then and then all of a sudden,

all of a sudden they do this whole thing where

it's like, OK, well, that's not what it is. And

we're going to dial up future Spock. And he's

going to tell us that Khan is a bad guy. And

then everyone's going to treat him like he's

a bad guy. I was like, now you've lost me. See,

I don't have you know, I've mentioned this many

times before in the over. 100 episodes we've

done here on Mwire. The only classic Trek films

I've ever seen, I've seen bits and pieces of

Search for Spock, I've seen bits and pieces of

Voyage Home, and bits and pieces of The Undiscovered

Country. I have absolutely zero interest in seeing

any of these films, any of the original six films.

in their entirety so i didn't have going into

it i went into it with okay we have the new universe

in the 2009 movie what is that crew gonna do

now i didn't have the you know baggage of oh

star trek to wrath of con oh whatever his name

was that played the original con you know i didn't

have that at all i get the diehard trekkies some

diehard trekkies uh didn't like it but I just

wish there was like something more happened in

that movie. Well, that's what I'm getting at.

I mean, I'm not trying to compare it directly

to Star Trek 2. I mean, I wasn't even doing that,

but that was also my fear is like, OK, now you're

just doing Khan and now you're opening yourself

up to being compared to another directly compared

to another movie. And so that's like right there.

You're setting yourself up for criticism. But

like, yeah, I agree. They didn't do enough. They

didn't put a new spin on the character and they

could have. Speaking about Star Trek, and kind

of this gets me into a question I want to ask

you all. Mike, I know you haven't seen much this

summer, but I think you can still even add into

this question. And with Star Trek, especially

with the con, I mean, I guess, but there's a

huge amount of 9 -11. The big topic this year

I felt in movies I've heard a lot was the constant

usage of 9 -11 imagery. I mean, you saw it in

Star Trek when you have the... Con like you mentioned

you see the sympathetic villain that was kind

of used by the government for certain purpose

and then he tries to take advantage of it and

crash a gigantic building or vehicle into you

know a city and you sort of mean that idea came

up a lot to you with With man of steel also with

iron man 3 in the post -traumatic stress and

they seems like that was a common theme and a

lot of people complain about it a lot of people

thought it was overdone and my question is do

you think there is actually Increase of 9 -11

imagery or we just kind of or people just kind

of using that or they kind of seeing it when

it's not really there They just you see a building

falling down and they're just saying hey, that's

9 -11 imagery when it isn't meant to be It's

just meant to be a building falling down I see

it as it's meant to be a building falling I mean

unless they actually show not necessarily because

they're gone but unless they actually show two

buildings that look exactly like the old towers

unless they actually show that kind of like direct

imagery of hey we're gonna homage this tragic

event in America's history if a building falls

down a building falls down I don't necessarily

see 9 -eleven imagery in it You know with with

Iron Man 3 The dude went through Time well not

time, but he went through space. He went through

a space portal. You're gonna have post -traumatic

stress None of that has ever happened in real

life. I don't care who the hell is working on

friggin warp drive for the real world That's

never gonna happen in any of our lifetimes With

Man of Steel, the problem with Man of Steel is

they choose to set Metropolis in New York every

single time. That's the problem with the Superman

movies. That's why I can see some people saying,

oh, it's not 11 imagery. If you choose to put

Metropolis in New York City, well, duh. Well,

I think, I mean. Before the powers go I think

if you it's more so I pointed out the billy's

falling down But I think there's because that's

the obvious go -to but there's definitely a little

bit more to it than than that if you just look

at the after effects of disasters and just how

They're the dealt with afterwards and stuff like

that. Like just even just the you know, the common

use of dust is a big thing I mean, we've had

earlier this year. I went through all the Spielberg

films and one that Was the mind is well where

the world's which is one of the really first

huge summer blockbuster is that death? Like used

a huge amount of 9 -eleven imagery. It was really

one of the first summer movies to kind of do

that I mean to a great extent and it was it was

obvious and just in the way that The overall

mood of summer movies in a way because if you

look at Just the big movies this summer iron

and three men of steel start trick in the darkness

There is a darker edge to them. They are more

cynical more gritty. I mean that could just be

a product of the time, or it could be a reflection

of where we are as a society. Because if you

look at, there aren't many movies like Pacific

Rim. I think that's a big reason that movie stands

out, is because it's fun. And I think movies

are afraid to be fun anymore. Even something

like Avengers, yes, I think that was an example

of a movie that was willing to be fun. But overall,

a lot of the big summer films are kind of taking

that dark night effect and becoming a lot more

real. I mean, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's just an interesting... That's just what's

happened this year. Look at last year. Look at

2012, summer of last year. You had specifically

the Avengers. That was a good, fun comic movie

with a couple of dark moments in it. You know,

that was, you know... But I would also say Amazing

Spider -Man felt far... was a lot more moody

than Raimi's Spider -Man and obviously Darkknock

Rises, which is... Yeah. Well, you know, I was

specifically looking at something like Avengers

or something like, you know, way back in the

day, Hook. That was an amazing summer movie right

there. Well, yeah, but that was also like 20

years ago. Yeah, I know. I'm saying we don't

see a lot of that. Anyways, I haven't been talking

enough. Not this year we haven't, no. And maybe

next year it'll be different. Mike, Powers, I

should say, I guess. So there's no confusion.

What do you what are your feelings about the

topic? Okay, the whole 9 -eleven imagery thing

I've heard that in connection a lot with Man

of Steel and I Hate it. I hate I don't I don't

understand why all of a sudden now like the 9

-eleven stuff is coming up I mean, I see what

people are talking about But I think I see it

because they're talking about it Like I Sure,

I mean I see a giant building falling down, you

know, I'm reminded of I you know, obviously 2001

happened, you know, I I see a giant building

falling down. I remember that But I don't like

link the two and like hate on the movie or think

the movies like trying to do something it's just

like, you know, I know that's what that's what

a building looks like when it's falling down

and I think that it's just And even before the

Twin Towers, you know, fell, I saw, I've seen

buildings, you know, through controlled demolitions

come down. And there's a certain, you know, the

Hollywood, the bigger Hollywood blockbusters

are going for the more realistic approach and

trying to set things in this real world. And

that's fine. I just, I mean, I don't know. I'm

not offended by it, I guess. I don't get offended

by it, so I can't really speak to it. In a way,

I feel like it's just like clickbait on the internet

like, you know Trying to like stir up some kind

of discussion that doesn't really need to happen

But then again, I'm also the guy that was mad

that you know all the promotional stuff for spider

-man that you know The first spider -man got

pulled when the Twin Towers fell I'm the one

that got mad when Sony went back through and

ripped out the last half of Men in Black 2 because

9 11 happened because like Hollywood's first

reaction to 9 11 was, oh, we have to take the

Twin Towers out of everything. And everyone's

kind of doing this. You know, Americans doing

this. Remember the Twin Towers. But yet they're

trying to do all this stuff to pull the Twin

Towers from memory. And that's irritated me.

But I'm also the guy that was kind of like when

it happened, I was like, you know, the biggest

middle finger we can give right now is just to

rebuild the damn things taller. You know like

in defiance that was my gut react. I mean yeah,

I was devastated with everybody But I also wasn't

like crying over it. I was more like let's just

be defiant and rebuild the damn things You know

shift them shift them on their plot build a memorial

build two new towers build them taller and say

F you I Mean I 100 % agree regarding the I just

brought it up because I felt it was like every

Every time I read a review for Man of Steel,

every time I read a review for Star Trek in the

Darkness, or listen to a review, it was a constant

theme people brought up, and I understand it

with Into Darkness a little bit more because

of the idea of taking a ship and trying to crash

it into a building, but I do think I am with

you. I think it is kind of a self -fulfilling

prophecy here. No. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I don't

mean to interrupt you. Where did In Into Darkness?

I'm trying to remember this now he was are we

talking about the very end when the enterprise

is or when the when the Dauntless is that what

it was I can't remember what the name of the

frickin ship was the whatever ship Benedict Cumberbatch

was it me it was in a controlled fall was he

actually trying to crash it in or is he just

trying to crash it or is he actually trying to

crash it into something from what my understanding

was that he was trying to crash it into the where

Starfleet HQ Starfleet HQ was that was my understanding

I could be incorrect I only saw the movie once

so I I can see that but then again there's a

giant there's a difference between a giant spaceship

that's in I don't know but I'm also kind of wondering

why Pacific Rim doesn't get thrown in this I

mean and I think a reason Pacific Rim maybe doesn't

throw into it is because of the mood of the movie

it is a little bit I mean it's a little more

cheeky it's not as dark or grim or something

like that maybe because it takes place in Tokyo

I don't know and I go ahead So basically movies

that are so any movie that shows Destruction

in a city that has a human aspect to it Is automatically

be considering is automatically drawing up 9

-eleven imagery for some people Seem so and I

I want to I'm agreeing I've just brought it up

because I 100 % disagree with it too I don't

think I think people are kind of saying it's

there when it really isn't just because it's

an easy It's an easy criticism. It's an easy

talking point. Like you said, it's an easy click

You know, you know why not in Pacific Rim and

there's huge destructions of buildings there

is you know, you see especially like beginning

of the movie when they're talking about like

Trying to fight, you know fighting fighting the

terror and all that stuff. You can you can probably

you know, it's like those movies that are those

shows that conspiracy theories when they tie

all these things together and saying what this

really meant and what this really meant and all

that good stuff and I think you can kind of find

meaning in everything if you try hard enough

and I think yes, maybe it's there but I think

it's more conscious and I think People are putting

it when it doesn't really like a movie like World

of the World is obviously Doing it and Spielberg

is pretty evident with it. I don't think Man

of Steel did it I think Man of Steel has buildings

falling because The whole point of any media,

especially this day and age, is to escape real

life people, come on. I've stated this opinion

many times before on this show and others. I

know the difference between you know Superman

flying through a building and it getting collapsed

over and you know that's make -believe and a

plane crashing into a tower killing millions

of people. There's a huge difference there and

the fact is one of them is fake. Yeah it's just

I don't know, the one argument, and I don't even

consider it like 9 -11 imagery, the one thing

I can kind of get on board with like Man of Steel

is that if Zack had taken the time to show one

shot of Metropolis being evacuated, I think that

part of the movie would have played a lot better

because as it is, there's a lot of people that

are just like, that fight was completely reckless

and you know. Hundreds of thousands of people

died because of what was going on I mean and

that's just and a lot of people have said on

the along with that argument. It's because Zack

never showed anybody getting out The fight just

happened in and around civilians that were just

kind of you know watching what was going on you

know, it was and The other thing is kind of like

I One issue I had with Manaseel at the end, too,

is like, you know, when the dubstep machine is

going off and they wait, you know, they see cars

and people getting pancaked and everything, and

they wait until the last possible minute to start

evacuating their building. Who? Yeah, I was like,

that's the wrong way to frame that. That just

goes back to if he had framed it a different

way and shown people evacuating, blah, blah,

blah, which he did to a certain extent, but just

not in a way that I guess not in a way that.

Conveyed that enough people got out I guess Which

I can totally see that speaking and speaking

on that just for one moment that we could probably

move on to The next section did you hear he did

recently come out with an explanation behind

that whole end of the movie controversy Did any

of you hear what he had to say of regarding it

at all building the lore? It was building the

lore and his big thing was that Massive death

was meant to I don't have the quote in front

of me exactly so I apologize if I misquote him

but the gist just of it from what I read was

you know building a massive death is meant to

signify tragedy and which I felt was kind of

an odd quote because isn't massive death in itself

tragedy so I didn't really understand what he

was going for and his explanation didn't really

for me Give me an idea really what he was trying

to say. I don't think he really had an idea I

think he just wanted to see things blow up, which

is fine. Whatever. I'm curious to maybe get that

blue right and listen to the You know commentary

unless they pull a Star Trek in the darkness

and only put it on the iTunes version Let's not

even call me well the thing about With the with

what Zack said in the lore. That's kind of like

what I said when I walked out of Man of Steel

It's like now I have to wait and see how this

is addressed in the next movie Yeah, I think

with the Batman thing maybe in the long run Man

of Steel is one of those movies people look back

on and maybe a little more forgiving because

of how it's handled in upcoming films well that

just touching on that real quick one of the most

compelling rumors I heard is that they could

view the the batman versus superman thing could

the the setup for it could be that because of

the destruction that happened in metropolis that

batman could view superman as a villain and superman

you know views batman as a villain because you

know he's a vigilante so um that's like one of

the possible setups i've heard for that movie

Okay, so overall the summer it seems like seems

like the overall thought process is that it is

uneven to say the least You know some highlights

here, but overall nothing really besides maybe

Pacific Rim for some of us iron three man Iron

Man three for others, but doesn't seem like to

be a huge overall success It's not something

I think we would look back and think some 2013

is one and that's gonna be like the summer of

1982 that has like hit after hit Anything else

you want to say before we move on to the next

big topic? Is that the box office stuff? Yes.

I'll just wait then. Yeah, no, go ahead and go

with the box office stuff. Okay. So obviously

with the summer box office, the big thing, I

mean, the summer movies, the big thing is box

office. What movie is going to dominate the box

office this year? What are going to be the big

flops? Overall, I we do have we're gonna just

run down the top movies of this year real quick

and if yeah I feel free to chime in if anything

really jumps out to you as a surprise or something

that just seems pretty obvious and the number

one movies it's I think it's a one the number

one movie many people thought was gonna be here

at the beginning and that of course is Iron Man

3 and I'm just going based off domestic I did

not include worldwide box office. I figured that

could be a separate discussion. We can also talk

about but right now just We're just focusing

on domestic and I am in the summer as of right

now. This could also change us When I first made

this it aren't you changed only in a week or

so But it has made four hundred and eight million

dollars a little bit over almost four hundred

and nine Million dollars with a budget of two

hundred million. So it's at this point suddenly

doubled his budget just in the domestic alone

Number two for the summer was actually despicable

meat too, which for me was a little bit of surprise

Didn't think it would go up that high I figured

it would be up there But I thought well when

you have crap like turbo and whatever else came

out Turbo and planes and all that you know what

I like. It's a gem. I like planes rather than

cars Like planes, but oh well that's to each

their own I haven't seen planes yet, so I cannot

chime in on that but despicable me was to with

Three hundred and fifty five million nearly eight

hundred eighty six thousand nine hundred and

fifty dollars with a budget of seventy six million

What's interesting almost tripled its budget

or it made back almost triple the budget? Yeah

And what's interesting about this if you look

at number one and number two is that there's

only as of right now one movie this summer that

has has made over four hundred million dollars,

which is huge drop off compared to last summer

and I believe the summer before when you had

obviously Avengers making a billion dollars you

had Dark Knight Rises making over 400 million

so this summer seems to be like didn't Rises

take in a billion too or no? I I want to say

yes, but I don't know I think so because since

I think I think worldwide overall it did but

yeah domestically Yeah, I was I was I was gonna

say before we jump down here This was gonna say

like this is the first time in a while where

we haven't had a billion dollar box office No,

nothing really even came close in number three

Which is a man of steel which was two and ninety

million seven hundred sixty nine thousand eight

hundred and fifty two dollars The budget of 225

million. So it has a had a bigger budget than

iron man 3 came out a little I know a little

bit a little bit less obviously almost 200 i'm

about 115 million less and For some for manistee

what I find interesting is that depending on

who you talk to some people say it's a massive

success Some people say it was a disappointment

Um to me, I I guess it didn't make as much as

they were hoping for because I think They were

hoping for that billion -dollar box office for

man of steel and they didn't get it And I think

a reason we can tell they're disappointed was

the fact that they went to Batman and Superman

so quickly and the fact they are getting an a

-list star like Affleck tells you a lot I just

think that And everyone knows on the network

that I have a massive heart on for Christian

Bale But I think that head over it. First of

all, I am over it. Trust me First of all, man

of steel anyone thought man of steel was gonna

be a billion dollar movie retarded because like

that Man of Steel was Batman Begins like it had

you I mean Batman Begins didn't make the box

obviously did not make the bank that the Dark

Knight or Dark Knight Rises did not even close

and It was trying to get over all the stigma

from the two move from like Batman and Robin

and Batman forever And that's why it was like

no one was tuning into it, you know, and then

you know Batman Begins was awesome Word of mouth

got out and you know, the next one was crazy

successful not to mention leisure went and killed

himself. I'm sure that didn't hurt You act like

they planned that I'm not no I'm not saying they

planned it I'm just saying it doesn't it doesn't

hurt right it because it's like it's his last

performance We've got to go see it So, you know

people that might not have gone would have gone

and it was it was a thing, right? It was more

than just Batman it was An actor's last role

and it was like a big deal. So anyways And then

they tried to as a side note, then they tried

to cheapen it by saying oh Well, this is his

last official film role But he actually filmed

some other stuff for some other movie that no

one's heard about sense I don't even remember

what that other project was supposed to be. I

know they finished it with another actor Yeah,

there you go. But I think, too, a big reason

I think some people thought Man of Steel was

going to make more than it did was its opening

weekend was pretty large. And then it dropped

significantly the second weekend, maybe a large

part of all the negative word of mouth. And I

think a lot of the haters kind of got hold of

it. And it just did not have that staying power

of an RMN3 or other films. And I do agree that.

I have a feeling even if they didn't go Batman

vs Superman, if they went Man of Steel 2 or what

have you, you probably would see an increase.

Maybe you would get that billion -dollar Superman

movie or something more marketable. Just real

quick, I'm sorry. Jumping to Batman, this is

why I was going to say I have the heart on for

Christian Bale. Jumping to Batman, having to

recast Batman? Just because it's Batman, I don't

think it's good. If it had been Bale, they would

have been guaranteed bank, right? Like having

to do like a new Batman and introduce new care

like new You know a new actor as him and get

people to buy it I mean you're gonna have that

tune -in audience. So there's that but I don't

think it's gonna make as much money as It would

if they had paid bail whatever ridiculous amount

of money it would have taken You know what I'm

saying? I definitely agree and especially losing

also without if they were able to put Nolan's

name on it again I think that would also be a

huge increase too. I do think bail Affleck's

gonna be hard sell for some people so I I don't

think it's gonna get to the point that Batman

Superman movie is gonna be like Avengers level

But because that's a wait and see I mean, it's

hard to say now when it hasn't even started shooting

yet, but right All right moving on to number

four. So so far. I'm in three despicable me to

man of steel number four Maybe probably movie.

I thought would be a little higher necessarily

as monsters University You know, Pixar is usually

the king of summer. This summer, they weren't

so much. They really kind of lost that title

in the last few years. Rightfully so. Exactly.

No lying there, but Monster University came in

at fourth place with $264 ,385 ,381. And I didn't

get a budget for that. I don't know if it wasn't

released or what happened. I know Disney's a

private company, so they're... I don't know.

I couldn't find a budget for that. But my guess

is the budget wasn't that high considering it

is an animated movie. Go ahead, Mike. I don't

understand why Pixar had to put out... Well,

okay, well, technically it's not Pixar for the

second one, but Disney put out two movies so

close together. Well, Planes was supposed to

be direct to video. Right. Well, originally it

was supposed to be theater, then it went to direct

-to -video, and then it went back to theater

because people were like, ooh, we need to see

this. Well, it was always supposed to be direct

-to -video because it was done by their cheap

studio on the station in the Philippines or India

or something like that. The reason I think they

put it in theaters is because they figured, hey,

there's not much competition here. We don't need

to do that much marketing and we can make bank

on it and they I think planes wasn't hugely successful

It wasn't to the level of you know, any Pixar

Disney movie It certainly, you know gave them

a profit and after losing all the money on Lone

Ranger, which we'll get to I'm sure that they

were okay with making some But brave brave and

Monsters University. I was so disappointed by

I brave is nothing but animated Braveheart with

The only problem I had with brave is that it

was a Disney story with Pixar visuals I mean

brave is perfectly watchable, but it's definitely

a Disney story and that's one of the reasons

I hated it And again for me the reason why I

say oh, it's just an animated 21st century Braveheart

is because yes, I've seen the movie I didn't

like the movie, but even before I saw brave Because

I watch Disney Channel sadly I see all these

features of oh how awesome it's gonna be Going

back to Monsters University according to Wikipedia

the budget for that was 200 million. What? Yeah,

that's why I didn't I don't believe Wikipedia

cuz I I don't see it being that high that seems

like an enormous amount for Lone Ranger money.

Yeah, I'd see that's why I in I boxed up from

Simoja, which is pretty official Didn't have

one in so I didn't I don't feel like 200 million

was correct. It just to me seems kind of ridiculous.

The only thing I didn't like about Monsters University

is, you know, something that another movie reviewer

says, is that you already know where the characters

end up. Yeah, that's true. It's very hard to

show them in any kind of peril or in danger.

And actually, the best part of Monsters University,

in my opinion, was the closing montage. and the

short at the beginning, because Pixar shorts

are excellent. I've yet to see Monsters University.

Monsters University, that is one I have missed.

I missed it too. I wanted to see it, but I'm

sorry, Despicable Me 2 was more important to

me than a prequel to Monsters Inc. Yeah, neither

of them were very important to me, unfortunately.

Number five is the one I... did see in theaters,

and that is Fast and Furious 6. And that is a

franchise that seems to just get better with

age. That made $238 million, $675 ,730 with a

budget of $160 million. So a smaller budget than

both Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel, and made not

much less than Man of Steel, only about a little

bit About 50 million less which is pretty pretty

impressive for a franchise that in its sixth

installment But does anybody remember when passing

furious was about to die? Yeah, I thought so.

Yeah, Tokyo drift. Yeah, I thought Tokyo drift

I'm like, oh that franchise is done. Usually

when you see some place go like oh, it's this

city It's like oh, oh that's over with and then

you know, it's just I Fast five brought in a

new life. And then I must say I was not a fan

of that franchise I never saw it. I just I shouldn't

say I wasn't a fan of the franchise I wasn't

a fan of the people who saw Fast and the Furious

and then thought they were in the movie when

they were driving and Had got like that movie

like took over my high school and college Every

one had a part that they're going in this new

direction that they're making it more about A

heist franchise than it is that used to be a

street racing franchise four five and six have

been great Yes, I agree. It's speaking of that's

about fun and that to me was out there that in

Pacific friend both a whole lot of fun and super

psyched for fast and furious seven kids Good

lord. That was one of the best teasers ever All

right, did you hear about the latest casting

news? Yes, Tony John's and church for passage

material seven. Oh, no the other one Oh that

I don't know Kurt Russell. Oh, I did hear that

rumor as well. That's really Because it's snake

why not? I'd rather him be in two minutes Jor

-el What what you said Kurt Russell, what is

he Jor -el Kurt Russell was Jor -el. No, you're

thinking of Russell Crowe Oh. I'm sorry. I'm

thinking of Snake Plissken. Escape to New York.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I imagine, like, he got a thing

on his desk. It's like a post -it note from an

agent. You can either do the Expendables or Fast

and the Furious. And I think you chose the right

one. Me too. Me too. Considering Riggs is in

Expendables 3. And Harrison Ford and Rusty Snipes

and whoever they can, you know... Need whoever

needs a job Yeah, really? That's all that franchise

is turning into whoever needs an action movie

job right now based upon you know, the Stallone's

and Schwarzenegger and Willis's luck with action

movies lately. It seems like they can only be

successful if they team up So, you know, all

right moving on to number six. So at the top

five just to recap real quick I am in three to

speckle me to man of steel to modern use of monsters

University fascinating fury And number six, possibly

a disappointment for some, was Star Trek Into

Darkness, which made $228 ,574 ,111 with a budget

of $227 ,424 ,110. That is a very succinct budget.

It made a thousand bucks more. And considering

the fact that was just re -released in theaters

this past weekend with partnering with World

War Z That I think put it over at the edge just

a little bit and even for now But what's interesting

about Into Darkness though? I know we talked

about when I'm not doing I have foreign box office

But it crushed it in the foreign market unlike

the first Star Trek which didn't do well overseas

for some reason I don't know if it's better than

a cummerbatch or what -have -you, but it's It

did really well overseas. So we're seeing that

being more and more of an increase. I want to

talk about the little more when we get to disappointments.

But yeah, I mean, in the dark, just domestically,

I would say overall was a disappointment. And

that I find surprising. I thought that hype for

that movie was really up there. And it seemed

like a movie a lot of people pointed to as one

of their most anticipated. But that opening weekend

even was not very, very impressive box office

wise. And also with like huge, you know, that

was again one of those movies that Suffered from

a lot of haters and you know, there were some

people who loved it but there was a lot of people

who were like myself like it seems like All three

of us felt it was just kind of meh or okay and

had issues I liked it. But like you just said

it had its issues I mean, I you know, I didn't

feel like I just I liked what I saw but as I

said earlier Wish there was more to it than what

it was. I can always use more bandit cover batch,

too So you're not alone there. Yeah, there's

nothing to do with it I just I like the actors

that make up the new characters for the crew.

That's just teasing you Your day's always better

when you started with a cover batch just I'll

say As we go into the run out this top ten, we're

actually getting to some surprises sir But more

on the positive end at least this one is a positive

for me just because I'm or at least one that

I'm surprised it as well as it did and for number

seven is actually World War Z, which is made

two hundred and seven two hundred seven hundred

and seven days I cannot talk tonight. So what

it ain't just of two hundred million dollars

in a hundred and ninety million exactly so Considering

World War Z was one of the movies that was suffering

from a lot of production delays It had a lot

of negative negative A lot of negative comments

going into that before it came out and it was

to me a surprise hit I did not expect it to be

in the top ten, but it seems I enjoyed it I thought

World War Z was pretty was pretty good. It wasn't

the greatest movie ever. It was not necessarily

It was barely a zombie movie, but it was to me

much more impressive than the trailers let on

but What did you how do you guys feel about World

War Z coming here at number seven? I like World

War Z I haven't seen it. I've seen trailers and

um, you know, everybody gets on me for commenting

on trailers So I'm just not gonna say anything.

I know it's horror. So here that's kind of you

know, against your religion I mean, I like the

religion I like the book World War Z a lot Didn't

really have a long time ago I think I came to

grips with you know, the theatrical version of

a book is never going to match the book So I

kind of just you know, I kind of divorce it and

I divorce my opinion of it and I'm kind of like

well What can they what can they possibly do

with the book and in the tie -ins and I like

that I like the nods that they had to the book

in World War Z if the like the idea that they're

if the plan for the sequel comes through. I'm

interested to see what happens given the way

that this movie wraps up. I wasn't I really wasn't

worried about seeing the movie because I mean,

I like Brad Pitt. I just know it was fun. I honestly

have to say, because we were having conversations

at work about, you know, zombies that run. And.

Because before you know in all we were talking

about was like, you know talk about what we saw

in the trailer and it was like, you know Clearly,

you're all not clearly because I didn't think

it was running zombies in the trailer I thought

because they never showed them up close in the

trailer So I was thinking well, maybe it's just

people scrambling like crazy cattle Trying to

get away from something So I was and we were

doing like a rundown of like movies that actually

have legitimate fast -moving zombies in it and

I couldn't think of that many so um because I

know a lot of people are like the fast moving

zombie thing is so overdone it's overused and

like we're just kind of like there aren't really

that many of them yeah I mean I mean I guess

if you count 20 I know people I get it they're

not zombies but for me whatever the zombies and

it's 28 days later um the new the Get dawn of

the dead had fast zombies But I think I think

we came up with dawn of the dead and the later

resident evil movies had the fast -moving zombies

But we did not count 28 days later because those

are just really angry people Yeah, and I don't

know about though the horde and I'm not sure

about that snow if they had fast zombies or not

But those are getting the aren't big movies.

Yeah, I don't I to me I I'd like the idea of

fast zombies. I mean either one it's fine with

me, but I think some people the Thought that

goes in the zombies sometimes kind of frightens

me and how crazy people get into it. I like zombies

I love the parking dead and what we're see I

look like you I love the book. I absolutely love

the audio book to that too It's if you're at

all if you're a fan of podcasts and you want

to listen to an audio book Listen to what we're

see it has amazing voice actors Martin Scorsese

reads a chapter in the news version of it It's

freaking awesome. But anyway, anything else about

what we'll see before we move on? No, I'm good.

All righty. Again, another big surprise here.

And that is the box office queen that Melissa

McCarthy has grown into as number eight was the

Heat with about $158 million with a budget of

only $43 million. So considering, I mean, it's

a comedy. You always have that breakout comedy

this year and box office wise it seems like it

was the heat I mean, there's a few more that

we can get down to but I I saw the heat I thought

it was passive. It was fine. It I mean, I like

Melissa McCarthy. I think she is funny. I do

like Sandra Bullock. They had good chemistry

I do think it's I don't think it's a movie that's

people are gonna really pay attention to you

on the line it had some moments, but I'm Kind

of shocked by how like Melissa McCarthy also

had identity see if that was one of the bigger

hits this year so far as well. So she seems to

be the, you know, the hot come on when it comes

to comedies. Yeah, we saw the heat. I think that's

mostly just the the Sandra Bullock and, you know,

the female moviegoers is what that was. Yeah,

it's one of those. That movie is the 21st century

female version of bosom buddies. Basically just

had women instead of men in drag. I think, too,

it's a comedy that is, it is an R -rated comedy

that I think, I think with Summer, too, you're

looking for something to go to that you can,

a large group of friends can get into, and The

Heat is kind of that. It's, it's, you know, guys

can like it, girls can like it. I do think that

is a big factor. Like you mentioned, Sandra Bullock,

too, is, there's a lot of people who love her,

and, you know, she's, she has her along with

Mark McCarthy, seems to be a pretty strong name.

All right, moving quickly on to the next one,

which is to me, again, I thought this movie was

going to bomb just because I just didn't think

audiences would really want to see a type of

movie like this in the summer. And that's number

nine, which is The Great Gatsby, which made $145

million was a budget of $105 million. I haven't

seen The Great Gatsby, like I mentioned. I want

to check it out. But I was shocked that it made

this much money. I thought it was going to be

like a huge disaster just because it was supposed

to come out in December of last year. It got

pushed back to the summer. And I don't know.

To me, it wasn't necessarily a summer movie.

And it did really well. And I'm kind of glad

it did well just because I'm glad to see different

movies being successful in the summer so it doesn't

just have to be superhero movie after superhero

movie but how do you feel about why do you think

the great gaspy was actually successful people

oh well one Leonardo DiCaprio um and i think

like i you know people read the book you know

i mean i never read the book in high school but

i know everyone else i for some reason everyone

else i know seems to have read the book in high

school and that's why they all wanted to go see

it because they wanted to see how it stacked

up to the book Yeah, it might have been the first

time ever being able to see Like I don't know

maybe some have read the book but never bothered

to watch because this is a remake, right? So

maybe there was made in the 1970s with Robert

Redford, which is pretty notorious for how bad

it is So maybe they I mean some of these people

may have never have seen that movie and they

you know This is like now they go see this one.

I don't know It's a movie think that like it

definitely was targeted towards younger audiences

with its use of music It's a lot of you know,

jay -z coming onto the trailers and stuff like

that and but it probably will get that older

crowd because again Like you said, it's a book

that has been around forever So a lot of people

do kind of want to see that adaptation on the

big screen let's not forget they also marketed

as the guy that made Romeo and Juliet and I just

had it and I ran out of my mind Moulin Rouge

yes true, so I mean those movies have fans So

I'm guessing they would have gone to see I mean

I didn't care for Moulin Rouge, but I did like

Romeo and Juliet so And I you know I'm gonna

be kind of light on the comments for this and

the next two because I haven't seen them Well,

I can I can talk about number ten which is again

another big surprise there seems to be a lot

like the last three this one maybe even The biggest

and actually this film if you go based upon budget

actually had the highest turnover considering

budget and overall box office and that was the

Conjuring which is made a hundred and thirty

four million dollars with a budget of twenty

million, which is pretty incredible I mean there

seems to be always that horror film that kind

of comes out of nowhere like if it's paranormal

activity or what have you in Lena James one also

had insidious, which is also was hugely profitable

with like a million dollar budget and that did

really well in the box office and the conjuring

did even better. I did see the conjuring and

I honestly was one of the better movies of the

summer for me. I'm not the hugest horror fan

but I thought it was pretty, it was scary, it

was well done, it really felt like a classic

horror film from the 70s with its mood and atmosphere

and it does have, I know it's fascinating if

you're seven, it's a completely different type

of movie. But when you can direct it would be

that well It does have me excited for what? The

director will be doing for fashion if you're

seven because be able to do that much with only

a 20 million dollar budget is pretty impressive

So let me ask you this about the conjuring the

the deeper the deeper Conversation we can have

at a later date, but the conjuring was rated

R And this summer there's been a lot of controversy

about the difference between a rated -r movie

and a pg -13 movie And from people that have

written the articles about the broken rating

system and everything, one of the examples they

used was the conjuring being rated R for being

scary. Not because it's violent or that there's

foul language, but because it's too scary, it

was rated R. Can you, one, can you confirm that

as, because I haven't seen it, can you confirm

that that is actually the case? And two, Um,

can you imagine the box office offices would

have gotten if it had been pg -13? Geez, okay

regarding i'll start with the first question

first regarding our rating. I Yeah, I mean there

is there is very little cursing in that from

what I can remember I don't I don't think the

f -word was ever spoken for or if it was it was

brief and Because it was a movie about this family

and with kids and you know, most of it was language

and was fine for the most part. I mean, there

might have been an exorcism scene, some cursing

there, but nothing to the point of, I would think,

oh, this is our rated movie. Violence -wise,

nothing really that bad. To me, I'm pretty sure

the paranormal films are PG -13. And I didn't

think, if you were just going up ratings version,

that it was anything worse than those. And if

you consider something like, I can't think of

a really violent movie that's... The Wolverine?

The Wolverine, which was at PG -13? Yes. Yes,

that was PG -13. I would say the Wolverine, by

far, is so much more violent than the Conjuring.

Is it scary? Yeah. That to me, it's hard to say

because it's so scary that it's rated R, but

I don't know. You could say that about a lot

of things. I don't disagree with it being rated

R, though, because I don't know if I would say

someone over... That's hard. Like I, I'm not

a fan of writing to begin with. I think the whole

MPA is kind of messed up, but I'm, that doesn't

bother me as much. Like something like the conjuring

getting rated R I, I can kind of understand that

more so than something like the King's speech

getting R because I said the F word a few times.

I think you have more legitimacy in saying the

conjuring. It does kind of bother me something

like the Wolverine is PG -13 when that movie

is pretty violent. There's a, I mean, I know

they cut away and it's a lot of the violence

and. could easily make that movie into an R rated

movie, but yeah and And what was your second

question? I forget. I'm sorry Can you imagine

what the conjuring would have made if it had

been actually rated PG -13? I mean it probably

I mean it could have been nearly two million

I would say because you think of how many people

how many kids teenagers bought? Tickets for other

movies and then once you sneak into the conjuring.

I'm sure tons of them did Or they bought them

at the kiosk. I know they say they're supposed

to check for ID, but I never see one ever do

that. It's not a law. The MPAA is not enforceable.

I have found that out. It's not a government

agency. It's an agency developed by the major

movie studios. There's actually a really great

documentary called, this film is not yet rated,

that goes into the misworkings of the MPAA and

all that craziness. That is good. That does impact

the I mean and that is actually a pretty important

topic regarding this stuff because that is a

huge impact on box office and The R rating versus

PG -13 rating because like you mentioned the

summer doesn't really have many are rated movies

I mean some of the comedies like this is the

end the world's end the heat They are all have

that are reading and some of them. It's like

the heat didn't seem affected by it This is the

end didn't seem affected by it the world's end.

I don't think they are waiting really mattered

It's just not it's it's kind of a niche audience

to begin with but and for the for the next film

and So that was that basically was the top ten

just to recap it real quick. It was was I meant

three Despicable Me 2 Man of Steel Monster University

Fast and Furious 6 Star Trek into darkness World

War Z the heat the great gaspian number 10 is

the conjuring. I do the the top teen here as

well and just some quick ones just we won't go

in depth in these and One one thing that's took

out to me is how much grown -ups to made which

is actually number 11 and that made 130 million

dollars Was the 80 million dollar budget which

a I don't know how when I was to cost 80 million

dollars most most I'm guessing 75 million. It's

Adam Sandler He poured his money into it. He

pours his money into every movie. He does no

matter how good or bad it is I'm saying I'm guessing

75 million went into Adam Sandler's The Wolverine

which is and this could go up because this is

still in theaters in some places Which was number

12, which is 128 million dollars To me which

I that to me is right on expectations I'm nothing

it didn't do nearly as well as more Wolverine

origins Which no one I think expected to because

I think most people thought it was gonna be garbage

which I movie I liked I thought it was good Enjoyed

just the how it was very much It's like a classic

martial arts film. In number 13, another big

surprise, which was Now You See Me, which made

$117 million and did so well, there's now going

to be a sequel. Number 14, which is actually

the biggest movie of August which I mentioned

this on Twitter and and Mike powers corrected

me because I'm like I don't know anyone that

saw we the millers and that movie made a hundred

and fourteen million dollars Which is more than

hangover part three, which only made a hundred

and twelve So which is kind of crazy. So that

movie is doing really well in it for me It's

still under the radar. I haven't seen it But

I think powers you can probably speak more to

it than I can as you have you have seen it Yeah,

it was fun. I enjoyed it. I laughed a couple

times. I mean, it's just a good, it's a good

date movie. I mean, I think that's one of the

reasons why it's doing so well. I mean, it's

still like at my theater in particular, it's

still in one of the largest houses. And usually

those movies get rotated out of the large house

really quick. And it's been in the large house

since it opened. I mean, they're not selling

it out, but they're still doing a sizeable amount

of business on it. Okay, any so any anything

else we wanted to say about the top movies before

we move on to the the disappointments of the

summer Can the hangover franchise be dead now,

please? I think I think it pretty much is unless

you see like it does the American pie route where

they say they you know They kind of do the direct

to DVD movies like the hangover when it's a different

cast and different people and whatnot But yeah,

I think I think a hangover part three the cap

on that series Didn't nearly do as well as I

hoped it it it barely made its money back. So

I think hangover is kind of over done with Can

I tackle the disappointments, please I need something

to do All right. Yes, let's move on to the big

thing this summer probably the biggest story

of 2000 summer 2013 was the huge amount maybe

hugest hyperbole, but there was a good amount

of 100 million dollar plus, 200 million dollar

plus movies that failed at the box office. So

Mike, I will set you free and what did you have

to say? Hang on, hang on, hang on. Can we just

preface this with failed domestically? Yes, domestically

failed. That's what I wanted to talk about. It's

based off of the US box office and budget. It's

not based off of worldwide. Number one that failed

and I still want to see this regardless of its

failings our IPD the budget for that was a hundred

and thirty million opening weekend it got twelve

just north of twelve million the total box office

for the US was Just under thirty three million

dollars. Well, it's still in theaters, too And

yeah, just so you know Mike this this isn't in

any type of order. This is just the no I know.

Yeah, I know turbo DreamWorks is latest Travesty

seems like they can't make a good movie unless

it's how to train your dragon sequels or animated

series or Shrek movies We don't know that how

to train your dragon 2 is good I'm so just I'm

just saying that I just spent the better half

of 2012 and this year Well, actually all of 2012

going through majority of dream works as films

up to flushed away and Outside of Shrek in the

original how to train your dragon. Most of them

are just duds What that's my personal opinion

but the thing about RPG turbo and Mike I know

you have Let me get the numbers out of the way

really quick for Turbo. Turbo had a budget of

$135 million. Oh my god. The opening weekend

was just north of $21 million and the total box

office for the U .S. was just under $79 million.

What's interesting about R .P .D. and Turbo was

I know you have a negative hard -on for Ryan

Reynolds, and how both of them... He's in both

of them. He's in both of them, and they both

failed on the same weekend, which... But the

thing is with R .I .P .D., I did not like...

For me, the reason why I want to see that movie

is two, well, threefold. The Hot Chick, Jeff

Bridges, and the guy that plays... one of the

avatars what's his name the Chinese guy he's

hilarious as much as you think okay but they

get things right you say Jeff Bridges with a

hot chick no okay no that's not what I said all

right up next is the Lone Ranger tanto don't

go to town they're gonna beat you up again Had

a budget of 215 million with it being a Jerry

Brockheimer production. I don't see why I Well,

I see why it had that amount of budget. I don't

see why it didn't make Any part of that back

the opening weekend? I just got under 30 million

at the box office and then total US box office

was just under 88 million dollars And that one

is also not doing well overseas as well I mean

the West Raves has never really been a trial

overseas to begin with You asked like why that

didn't do well. I mean, I know Harley Hammer

and Armory Hammer and Johnny Depp both came out

and said the critics kind of are the ones to

blame for Failing as much as it did and I don't

necessarily agree with that. I think for one

it's the Lone Ranger It's not a come on. It's

not like a name that really resonates with many

people anymore it I mean, a budget that big for

a western is kind of crazy. And Jerry Brockhammer's

name, I don't think has kind of been sullied

with the failure of the last, I mean, I guess...

No, it hasn't. That's why I'm saying I don't

understand why this wasn't a huge... this should

have been a huge success for him and his production

company. Well, yes, they've been successful financially,

but critically and overall fandom, it seems like

most people have kind of... that name doesn't

hold weight with a lot of people. Well, if he

eventually get around to doing national... Treasure

3, maybe. That'll do it for him. Johnny Depp,

he was a huge draw, but I think he is wearing

thin on a lot of people too. Last year he had

Dark Shadows, which was a failure, and The Taurus,

which was a failure. He was usually one of the

few people that was still left that would bring

people into the studio. Not the studio, but the

movie theater, and I don't think that happened.

I mean, I wasn't a fan of Lone Ranger. I think

people kind of destroyed it more so than it needed

to be destroyed Like they went after that thing

like it was like the worst thing ever created

and I don't think it's nearly that bad and I

think it was that little hanging fruit that People

just attacked because they needed something to

attack in some way so kind of in some way I agree

with what army hammer and Johnny Depp did and

that people are overly nasty to that just because

it It was the perfect storm. It had a trouble

production. It was over budgeted. It had Johnny

Depp in and it was like, I think critics were

ready to kind of just pounce on it and they did.

And then when it didn't do well, it just, it

just added fuel to the fire. But I don't know.

I don't, to me it was, I enjoyed, I didn't overall

find the movie successful, but I enjoyed that

more than I enjoyed the last two Pirates movies.

I enjoyed Lord Ranger 2 and I don't I mean I

feel bad for Armie Hammer and Gore Verbinski

because I like both of them. Up next is the real

American hero White House Down. Made a budget

of 150 million the opening weekend 24 million

just just north of that. The total box office

domestically is 72 million 425 thousand dollars

in change. um everyone keeps saying this should

have been gi Joe retaliation good god no or was

it it was either that or um oh die the die you're

mixing them up your olympus has fallen should

have been die hard oh Okay, I think this suffered

one of those one of those White House movies

should have been die -hard I think I think that

is what killed White House down was the fact

that it'll just fall and kind of stole a lot

of its thunder It was better. I thought what

else it was better. I do agree I think what else

Olympus has fallen was a better movie and we

talked about Jerry Brockheimer and then you have

you know Ron Emmerich who? Was usually even in

his bad film scenes and do well like 2012 was

Was a huge not a huge success, but it was successful

and you know, this had Jamie Foxx eating tatum

But and to this is another one that was a really

one of the more fun films from like it would

felt like a throwback movie from the 90s and

I think it did It was killed for a it was just

overkill because I think we saw this It did feel

like another die -hard movie and we already had

like two die -hard movies up to up to that point

But yeah, I'm not surprised right house down

Wasn't successful. It just I don't know like

Roland Emmerich is a hit miss for me and I enjoyed

White House down a little bit but it I Was waiting

for a giant alien ship to come overhead and just

boom blow it up That's a sequel and they do talk

about in the pen to say in that movie because

yeah Like as in continuity or like as a movie

that exists in the movie It's like a movie that

they'd like this is the White House. You saw

it probably when it was destroyed in Independence

Day or something Okay, okay. Yeah, it's not like

let's hope it's not continuity Will Smith doesn't

show up or anything like that and talk about

punching ET in the face Oh, but you know what

I I didn't see this one, but I saw I caught the

end like the the very end Where with with the

flag? Okay, that kind of that's right up there

with the gymnastics in Lost World Yeah It was

pretty sad you want to talk about 9 -eleven imagery

White House son was full of it in full of it

in wrong wrong ways. Yeah Up next is after earth.

It had a budget of a hundred and thirty million

dollars. The opening weekend was just Over 27

million the total domestic gross is just over

60 million Can we please stop doing these post

-apocalyptic movies all in one summer? I mean,

holy crap that was not this movie's problem No,

I understand that but I'm saying like you've

got after earth. You've got the world's end and

this is the end and All this other, all these

post -apocalyptic world movies and it's like

crap. Well, okay. In fairness, World's End and

This is the End, it's not the same as After Earth

and Oblivion. No, no, no, I know, but I'm just

saying that in general, the sub -genre of post

-apocalyptic films, can we please stop putting

all of them out in one summer? I mean, I guess,

I mean, that could be a reason. Why I mean it's

summers have kind of been full of that for a

long time. I mean yourself at least even stuff

like that I think after Ruth though, I think

was dead on arrival for a few reasons a M. Night

Shyamalan even if the fact that they They tried

to hide his name on this like I'm surprised didn't

try to hack IMDB and remove it and put someone

else's name on and put a pseudonym or something

and to I think everyone saw that it just you

know, people called it nepotism the movie it

just it just felt like Will Smith trying to make

his son into a star and I haven't seen after

earth I haven't seen the karate kids remake of

his son. I have seen the kid in Was a pursuit

of happiness. He was fine in that but he was

like four years old So it's not hard for a four

-year -old to kind of look cute. Um, but I To

me after earth suffered for a lot and just also

looked really it was that movie just felt I Don't

know. It just it did not look very interesting

to me in any way shape or form Up next is the

internship with a budget of 58 million the opening

weekend was just north of 17 million and the

total domestic gross so far for the box office

is just north of 44 million I did not see this

remind me what this movie is. This is with Will

Wilson Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn. They're

the ones that go to Google and try to Oh, yeah,

I remember the trailer now. I mean, box office

wise, this is not nearly a huge disappointment

compared to something like After Earth, but it's

a big disappointment in the fact that, you know,

people were hoping this would make Wedding Crashers

money or at least come close and it really didn't.

I mean, it didn't make its money back. And so

I think that's why it's been it's on the disappointment

list. Yes. Next up on the disappointment list,

I also hope this is the end of this franchise

to kick ass to. Budget of 28 million opening

weekend was just north of 13 million total domestic

was just Barely north of 24 million dollars.

Oh my god. I hope it's not over. I Hope this

stupid. Hey anybody can be a superhero. Have

you seen the movies? I've seen the first one.

It was horrible. I I love the first one the second

one I I enjoyed you I people were killing on

it, but I thought it was it was fun I don't think

it's I don't know if it's coming back I was surprised

the second one was made just because the First

one didn't do as well as they were hoping it

would would I mean it's 24 million now But this

is still in theaters some places so it could

still make its money back And it's probably gonna

be a huge on DVD, but I know I I loved kick -ass

one. I loved it a lot I thought that movie was

great. It's a terrible very I mean Chloe rats

was great. I mean kick -ass to I think suffered

from the fact that I think kick -ass wasn't very

interesting in it But I loved hit girl and I

loved everything else that was in that movie.

So Up next on the disappointment list financially

at least thank God Pacific Rim total budget 190

million opening weekend 37 just north of 37 million

total domestic gross Just north of 99 million

dollars. So basically domestically it only made

back 20 % of its budget How does it make only

back 20 % when it's over when it's over half

I Mean it's over. It's made almost a hundred

million on a hundred ninety million dollar budget

Eh, whatever. That's not 20%. I'm glad it's in

the disappointment category, because hopefully

we won't get a sequel. We are getting a sequel.

Put it through Kickstarter or something. No,

we're getting a sequel. And the reason I didn't...

Mike mentioned this to point out this is only

domestic, and it's a good reason to point this

out, because specific RAM is kicking butt overseas.

Well, that's because it's a Godzilla movie with

Transformers and G .I. Joe suits, so... You are

so wrong. I know, right? First of all, we can't

just move on from that. Yes, we can. Red 2, Bruce

Willis' other movie this year. $84 million budget.

Opening weekend, $18 million. Total domestic

gross, $52 million. I didn't see Red 1, so I

have no interest in Red 2. Was surprised that

movie cost as much as it did and I it wasn't

really marketed All that well that came out like

in a weekend with a lot a lot else came out that

it was just a bunch of movies that didn't do

well, but Yeah, I mean I enjoyed red one, but

I was surprised red 2 was released in the summer

it read to comes to me It feels more like a January

or February release not necessarily a summer

release and I think that's what kind of killed

it It was just was a release in the wrong month

Yeah Tyler Perry presents insert title here.

Oh, I'm sorry people's The total budget was 15

million opening weekend just north of 4 million

total domestic just over 9 million I don't watch

Tyler Perry movies. I just not my cup of tea.

I don't dislike them But at the same time I don't

like them either So I have no interest in this

at all. Yeah, I mean This is on a disappointment

list a cuz Tyler Perry named it does have weight

and it does tend to you know His movies do really

well they they appeal to certain audiences that

most of you know Hollywood kind of ignores and

I was kind of hoping people's would do well not

because I'm a Tyler Perry fan, but I'm a Craig

Robertson fan and I find him hilarious so I was

hoping that you know for his sake and we could

see him in more things and be the lead in more

things but It just was kind of again. It just

didn't too well that i don't i mean that's not

a movie that really markets the movie before

you begin with so i really can't speak on why

it didn't do well but it again it's just one

of those another example of a disappointment

to summer and the final one on the disappointment

list for the summer of 2013 didn't this just

come out the mortal instruments yes it did and

there's how is it already on the disappointment

list if it just well kick ass just came out too

so actually kick ass came out after mortal instruments

did it really Yeah, and it's on the disappointment

list a because it costs 60 million dollars and

say we also live in a world where your opening

weekend and is everything Yeah, that's true.

And if you don't do well in your opening weekend,

if you usually don't make around, you know at

least half or 75 to 25 percent of your budget

on your opening weekend. You're not going to

do well in this opening week was a little over

nine million dollars and it's only made up to

20 nearly like a little bit under 25 million

dollars and there's currently shooting a sequel

for this because they a lot of people thought

it would be the next Twilight series and they

were hoping for it to be I thought that was gonna

be the host there's been a lot of movies that

try to be the next Twilight and a lot of people

thought this would be it because I guess I've

never read the books I don't know much about

them But the more mortal instruments of city

of bones, I guess is a pretty popular book, but

it just again didn't do well didn't it just Didn't

kind of hit hit it as much as I thought it would

and who knows if that sequel is gonna happen

now and might still come out But as of right

now, it's already shooting so I guess it's going

to but it just shows you that maybe we studios

won't count their chickens before they're hatched

in the future and it's assumed something's gonna

do well when You know, it might feel like At

least they didn't shoot for the moon with the

budget and I feel like I was going to preview

this movie and then I totally forgot it was getting

previewed and I just went to bed but Mortal instruments

the guys that I know at work that did preview

it said that there wasn't any it wasn't like

a bad movie But it didn't live up to its potential

So maybe that's kind of what they're banking

on here. I don't know I mean, maybe the sequel

will do amazing. We've seen it happen before

where the I mean something like the Austin powers,

which wasn't that great in that the seek the

original didn't do that Well, but it did great

on home video and then the sequels or you know

when they hit theater So, I mean that's also

a potential as well. So that man begins as well.

We talked about that earlier so before we move

on any I did want to comment on Pacific Rim go

back to that real quick and the reason I wanted

to is because This shows you what we're seeing

a lot right now is the fact that the foreign

box office is meaning more and more and domestic

is meaning less and less. We're gonna get a Pacific

Rim sequel because of China in a lot of ways,

because of other countries and China is obviously,

it's a huge thing right now that China is growing

as a market. I mean, Iron Man 3, making scenes

just for the China audience. and in that market

is a huge, you know, huge consideration when

people are making movies because They only lens

from China only allow certain films. So something

like Pacific Rim obviously ominously appeal selling

Because it takes lots from the that culture to

begin with necessarily China, but a lot of Japan

I'm and what and what not but it's also set in

their backyard Exactly. True. True. And it also

is showing You know, it's I'm thinking it's kind

of great that we something like the Wolverine

to where you're seeing movies not just full of

white people not to get like into a race thing

here, but Seeing seeing that you are seeing,

you know a foreign influences in a good way I

think it was for Wolverine. It makes sense because

that goes into his history and it's always been

a part of One Wolverine's history and something

like Pacific Rim again, I mean that's hugely

influenced by the you know Japanese and manga

and all that great stuff So it makes sense to

so and in some ways it's there's some negatives

to it because you get something like Iron Man

3 that just to horns things in just to try to

You know cater to a certain audience went to

the detriment of the film when those scenes aren't

even directed the person who made the movie but

then you get good things like I'm hoping we get

another Pacific Rim because of this so I think

that's a huge positive and we're gonna just see

more and more of that where you know domestic

audiences we seem to be going to the theaters

less and less yes I know the summer of 2013 was

the most you know had the highest overall box

office total but When you consider the increase

of ticket prices and stuff like that, I don't

know if that means as much as it does I mean,

I always wondered why with movie theater worth

movies you go based upon How mo made and not

how many tickets were sold compared to something

like music where you go based upon a number of

albums I was always I'd be curious if To change

what that would stack with inflation and for

ticket prices and whatnot. So I'm always curious

about what now It's pretty evident that we aren't

nearly as going to the theaters as much as we

used to well, you know It's all on how you skew

the numbers right because everyone We can be

done when I'm done with this if you guys want

but or you know go to whatever but the um You

know, it's like when a new Call of Duty comes

out and it's the highest grossing, you know media

thing ever But then you realize you have to pay

$60 to get it You know, it's like it's just all

in how you skew the numbers So it's like is it

seven dollars a ticket and like so many people

go or is it $60 a copy and ten million people

buy it So you make six hundred million dollars,

you know, it's like yeah That's how you skew

it to make the you know, the stockholders happy

basically. It's like hey So cuz I mean the big

thing this summer was there I mean we went over

a bunch of failures and our disappointments I

should say domestically and I'm sure there's

more that we didn't cover but anything else anyone

has to say about the the overall box office before

we move on nope nope okay well we're going to

take a little bit of break here and when we come

back we're going to get into the other side of

things we talked about the box office and of

course besides box office there is the other

side of the coin which is the critics what do

the critics think what was successful which was

what were the critics what did the critics love

what did they hate we'll get into that shortly

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right, and welcome back to Mware as we are kind

of going into the Rotten Tomatoes scores of the

summer movie Releases and to see what the critics

loved and what they hated You know Rotten Tomatoes

as many people know it's the website that collects,

you know, the the movie reviews of the critics

and puts it's a nice little score an average

and you know decides what that percentage is

Anything above 60 % is obviously fresh anything

below is rotten So what's kind of interesting

here is what movies we're going to touch upon,

mainly the top big budget movies. We're going

to briefly touch upon the more limited movies,

but just a little bit. The first thing we're

going to talk about are the best films of the

summer, at least in the critics' eyes. Again,

this is the Rotten Tomatoes rating, so this doesn't

necessarily mean a huge amount, but it's kind

of a good parameter of... You know what people

were thinking this past summer and there's actually

a few surprises here for me the number one What's

really surprising is what's that number one and

so I think in a good way I kind of agree with

this and that is number one movie this summer

based upon the critics rating was actually The

world's end Edgar writes the movie with a with

a rotten tomatoes rating of 90 % What's interesting

about that is that means there's only one movie?

The critics rated this year for summer blockbusters.

That was 90 % or above which is a little bit

crazy Kind of shows you what they thought of

this summer when the fact that you only have

one thing in the 90s Number two, which is probably

what I'm going to talk about a little bit more

which is to me Mike Powers mentioned this in

the break But probably the most surprising is

number two is actually Star Trek into darkness,

which is 87 % So that to me is not something

Would have guessed that considering, you know,

if you read Twitter or anything like that. It

seems like that movie is not nearly as Loved

by fans as it seems to be by critics. Yeah, and

usually fans will hit this site and drive that

score down Well, that's metacritic that does

that has that problem but Yeah, I was surprised

about Into Darkness. World's End doesn't really

surprise me all that much because I think even

for a critic, I think the base story of the world's

end taps into something that's very easily relatable

for people our age. And, you know, Edgar Wright

is a respected director, and I mean, you know,

Hot Fuzz and Shonda the Dead were both critically

adored as well. They both had, you know, they

were in the 90s too. I was more surprised that

that was the only... in the 90s, it just seemed

a little bit surprising to me. Coming in at number

three, a little bit of a surprise, and this was

a huge success both selfless -wise and also critically,

and that was The Conjuring, which came in at

86%. You know, horror films, they aren't always

adored by critics. They kind of, you know, paranormal

activity, they tend to, you know, be wishy -washy,

but The Conjuring was, seems to be a huge hit.

All across the board and coming in at number

four We talked about movies that are about the

end of the world and it's another movie about

the end of the world And that is this is the

end which coming in came in at 84 % I really

I didn't find I didn't find this is the end funny.

I did enjoy it I didn't love it nearly as much

as I seemed like everyone else did and I thought

the world's end was a far superior movie But

didn't else see this is the end. I did Michael

Cera was the crown jewel of that movie That's

true. That is probably one of the best that has

happened this entire summer. And then, as we

get to number five, what's interesting is that

it already drops down to the 78%. I don't put

a huge lot of stock in Rotten Tomatoes, but to

me it just shows you that when you have your

top five and you're already down to almost 25

% of the critics don't like something, shows

you that maybe this summer wasn't the greatest

in the world. And that is Iron Man 3, which is

number five at 78%. So just looking at the top

five real quick, do we think the critics got

it right, got it wrong? What do we think? I mean

probably the number one is right. I've heard

nothing but good things about the world's end.

I don't, okay, what people, what at least I didn't

realize at first, but I know now. What most people

might not realize is the New York Times has several

different bestseller lists that they go by. And

I think that's what Rotten Tomatoes needs to

have is top films by genre. I don't see The Conjuring

being the number third film of the entire summer

at all. It's because the only reason it's not

is because I don't... care or I like or dislike

the film, it's horror. I wish that these top

film lists would be by genre versus... It's just

weird to me to see a damn horror movie that isn't

like a Freddy or a Jason or Mike Myers. I mean,

that's like putting... Oh, what was that stupid

franchise? Crap, it's like putting paranormal

activity in the top 10. That's just like what

we talked about back with the box office results.

That's just how do you want to skew your numbers?

Do you want to do several different generalists

or do you want to see how it stacks up against

everything and that's what this list is? I mean,

you can probably sort it by genre, but we've

got the list of. Yeah, no, I understand that

I'm just saying that I Brown Tomatoes does have

it has like a summer report card where it puts

every movie that came out this summer and I did

kind of Did split it into two because I just

I took took out the bigger films and made it

in their own list So yeah, I mean I guess you

can use it any way you want and the thing with

these movies is they're not related to each other

It's not like they're saying this no I understand

that I just to me when I see any any horror movie

in a top ten for For critics, it just weirds

me out. That's all. All right. So going on real

quickly to the next. Number six, which is Monsters

University, which slightly baked out another

big animated movie, Despicable Me 2. Monsters

University at 78%. Despicable Me 2, 76%. And

coming in a little bit after that. Pacific Rim

again 72 % so maybe that was overall Enjoyed

by critics for the most part me 72 % It's pretty

solid score. But again didn't do that wasn't

that successful. It was really high for a while,

too. Yeah, and They kind of the haters kind of

that wasn't nothing 80s high 80s 90s and they

kind of went down What's interesting so far?

I guess this Pacific Rim At number eight is probably

the only movie so far that we've got to that

was actually a disappointment at the box office.

I mean, yes, Star Trek and the Dark Isles and

whatnot, but considering all the disappointments

we went over, it took up to number eight to actually

get to a movie that wasn't successful both critically

and financially overall. Again, moving on to

number nine, which was a huge surprise. We didn't

talk about this in box office wise. Total number

wasn't that great, but considering the budget,

which is number nine, which is Lee Daniels, The

Butler, which was critically at 73%, but also

seems like there's a lot of Oscar buzz about

The Butler. I have not seen it yet. I just did

not have any desire. I had the opportunity to

see this, and I ended up seeing The Grandmaster

instead, because it's a better movie. And I shouldn't

say that, but yeah, that's another movie that

it's kind of a lot of people are comparing it

to the help of a few years ago, that this summer

is the help. So a lot of Oscar buzzer for forest

here and maybe even Oprah because you know, she

needs another thing to put on her shelf Really?

Have it have anyone's has anyone seen the butler?

No, I have not Okay, I think again. It's that

to me wasn't when I needed to rush out and see

in theaters and then running out the top ten

With was Alicia which was that 69 %? So just

you know, 9 % above making it fresh and that

to me Not that surprising, but I guess that's

considered a huge disappointment if you compare

it to District 9, which was loved by so many

people, it was nominated for Best Picture, and

Elysium, for a lot of people, was a disappointment.

I guess overall for me, it would have been disappointing

if you just compare it to District 9, but on

its own, I thought it was successful. And then

quickly, just the... Just other ones of note

the Wolverine which was at 68 % Maybe what is

that triple of the origin score of what was that

negative three of the first Wolverine movie?

Wow I was just being facetious there. I don't

really think I don't know what the score was

But I'm pretty sure it was you know in the teens

at the best and then Fast and Furious. Shouldn't

those two be? Mixed around shouldn't Wolverine

be number 12. That was based the the Wolverine

was number 11 Because it had more I don't know

why tomatoes does it but some depending on the

score is rated higher on the report card then

fashion if you're six which had 69 % because

the Wolverine had more had more and more Yeah,

okay, and then just quickly World War Z 75 is

60 % and then the heat 65 then epic surprisingly,

which was actually the top 15 financially until

We the we are the rhythm alias pumped it out.

So Overall that was the top 15 movies and you

what you'll see there is there is a lot of similarity

between both the disappointments and the overall

critics overall successful films, but yeah, so

Anything on there that jumps out to anyone that

we think got no way higher score way lower score

didn't deserve start drinking to darkness Yeah,

that's that's too high if I was as a professional

critic if I was without any bias if I was gonna

make this list I would put Star Trek and The

Conjuring down to probably 8 and 9 move Iron

Man 3 and Despicable Me 2 up to higher you know

maybe have Iron Man 3 at 4 and Despicable Me

2 at 5 and I would just basically move it all

around to have Star Trek and The Conjuring not

be the top Two and three slot at all the rest.

I'm fine with and what an epic I mean, I haven't

even heard outside of Consistent commercials

of it coming out. I haven't even really heard

anything about that stupid movie. No me either

and what's interesting What's not on this list

is you know man of steel which was yeah, which

was a little bit I think that was 18 or 19, but

I didn't put it on here and I agree I think Star

Trek in the darkness is 87 percent. I don't know.

Maybe the critics are feeling Generous for that.

I'm not sure but I Would agree and I would probably

put Pacific Rim a lot higher. But again, this

is just percentages So it's hard to kind of play

with those and I But overall, I mean, there's

nothing that stands out to me. That was horribly

bad or anything I think it was overrated per

se maybe the ever feeling that movie is gonna

be a little bit overrated, but I haven't seen

it yet. So I don't feel it's fair for me to say

that so Alright, just real quickly. I just What

that was not including where the limited releases

and this summer I didn't want to talk about a

little bit because this summer to me Was full

of a lot of amazing smaller films. There was

a ton of them and What's great about smaller

films too is the use of video on demand and how

much that's increasing and how a lot of smaller

films are Now available, you know on your TV

and don't even have to go to see them None of

these per se but some of these I did see in theaters,

but overall just quickly the number one movie

If you include everything that came out was actually

Before Midnight, which was the third film in

the Before trilogy, which I thought of too was

fantastic. One of my favorite films of the year

so far. Mud, with sorry, Matthew McConaughey,

which just recently came to theaters and both

of those had 98%. And again, two. two really

great movies. Food Frills Station, which to me

is actually my favorite film so far this year,

which was, you talk about movie, that type of

movies, and that was at 94%. With limited releases,

you also have fewer critics reviewing them, so

their scores are a little skewed, and talk about

playing with numbers, and that happens here now

as well. Number four is Frances Ha, at 93%. number

five spectacular now 92 percent and it takes

to number six until we actually get one of the

bigger releases which is the world's end at 90

percent and number seven is woody allen's latest

film blue jasmine at 89 percent what's interesting

about that is that that was actually in the high

90s until last week when it went open wide and

it dropped out significantly and then again number

eight Star Trek in the darkness number nine the

card during and number ten the way way back Which

is I think also coming to DVD very shortly I

know a lot of those movies you may not have heard

of people may not have heard of but I To me that

was one sometimes the best thing she can try

to go out and find I would if you're out there

you have not seen mud Definitely track it down.

It's on home media right now. It's a really great

summer movie It's to me if you're a fan of something

like stand by me, you think you'll appreciate

something like that. So Alright, and now lastly,

before we move on to the closing, just the bombs

of this year. The worst - Yay, I get to do something

again! The worst films of 2013 according to Rotten

Tomatoes, at least summer -wise. Mike, take it

away. I gotta really look up Ethan Hawkes by

Filmography, because The Getaway was the first

film I had heard of him doing since probably...

Assault on Precinct 13. Well, what's interesting

is he's also in Before Midnight, which is the

highest rated movie of the summer. All right,

so lowest score is The Getaway with 2%. Paranoia

with 4%. Grown Ups 2 with 7%. Wow, Adam Sandler

fans, damn. RIPD with 11%. After Earth with also

11%. The Smurfs 2 with 12%. I can't believe that

even got 12%. Holy crap. Hangover 3 with 19%.

Jobs with 25%. I thought critics would like that

a little more. Kickass 2 with 29%. That's not

surprising at all since the franchise sucks.

And the Lone Ranger with 30%. Wow. Can't wait

to see what the winter numbers are gonna be like

Yeah, I mean, I mean nothing really hugely surprising

there, I mean I guess Kick -ass to I guess is

considered disappointment But that movie is kind

of a hard sell for critics because it's so violent

and and whatnot you mentioned jobs Yeah, that

is kind of surprising. It was that bad, but I

had no expectations with that. I mean I think

Steve Jobs does not seem like something that's

all that appealing and besides that I mean leaving

afterwards of course that was going to be horrible

r .a .p .d. that just looked bad so nothing really

here that for animals too i'm surprised it made

seven percent i thought it would be you know

more than that so um regarding jobs i bought

astin kutcher as jobs um you know the more i

see the trailer the more i i see him as as as

you know a fictional version of steve jobs i

mean They do a really smart thing in the movie

where they open with the Steve jobs that the

More mainstream audience knows like the older

Steve jobs they open with the introduction of

the iPod and it's eerie How much like because

I've seen videos of the iPod introduction. I've

seen that keynote and it's eerie how Well, he

did and then from there They go way back to like

the beginning, like not necessarily the beginning

of his life, but him in college. Yeah, him in

college with was and starting out. Yeah, that's

basically the beginning of it. And then they

move forward from there. The problem is I and

my wife was completely lost most of the time.

And myself, I wouldn't know what was happening

most of the time if I had not read the biography

that came out after he died. Because I saw I

haven't so I'm sorry to cut you off. I haven't

seen jobs yet But like I said, I've seen the

trailer enough times that I do want to see the

film. I saw the Netflix on -demand By a biography

special one last thing that came out a couple

of years ago And as soon as I saw that and I

saw this trailer I'm like, oh, so they're just

doing a fictionalized version of one last thing

It's not even that like it's it's because of

the way that the movie was told it's it was the

director went around and interviewed people that

work with jobs and so the movie is like jobs

is the center of the movie right but he the all

the scenes are from the perspective of the other

people in the scene so you don't really get an

insight into him you just get how people interpreted

him and so it jumps it like the first half of

the movie makes a lot of sense and then just

starts you skip Years, and you don't under it's

like you don't understand what happened And there's

a lot of stuff that gets cut out because Steve

becomes a very private person And he wasn't close

to people that he you know he wasn't able to

get interviews that were were With people that

were close to Steve at that time So there's just

gaps that end up forming in the movie, and then

it just kind of ends, but I bought Ashton Kutcher

As Steve Jobs, I'm more curious to see who Sony

gets to play jobs in Aaron Sorkin's movie So

yeah, I mean I guess I shouldn't judge that based

off the trailer So yeah, I mean if he if he's

good at that, that's that's pretty positive I'm

there with you too. I'm the Aaron Sorkin doing

Doing that that story. I think was something

I'm far more excited in and I don't know who

they'll get but I pretty much adore anything

Aaron Torkin does so I'm pretty sure I'm just

gonna have to like it just by nature. Anything

else anyone wanted to talk about before we move

on to the before we take a little break here?

No I think that's it I mean the the critics are

what the critics are I don't I put stock into

what my friends think some of the time But I

also, you know, have my own opinions on movies.

Like, getaway, I'll give it a Netflix. You know,

I'll watch it eventually. RIPD, again, I'll watch

it eventually. But there are some that I just

would never even... The only problem I have with

RIPD is that the villain's motivations aren't

clear. And that was very weird for movies nowadays,

where usually you get both sides of the story.

RIPD is very much told from the good guy's side

and you don't get any interaction with the villains

unless the good guys are in the scene with them.

So it's weird to only get half of a story in

a movie, but I did like it. Haven't seen it.

I mean I was I was talking on it, but I again

I shouldn't do the whole dog on something I haven't

seen but I I actually had that on my five top

five more anticipated until I saw the trailer

just because I thought the concept seemed interesting

and I'm still gonna watch it because I Am like

that and pretty much have to see everything that

comes out. So hopefully it is good Seems to be

a theme this summer a lot of fun films Maybe

not a lot of great films and like Mike said,

I mean Ron tomatoes is interesting I think people

get too caught up with what the score is and

that why people vote the way they do and I think

it's good to kind of go on there and see what

people think but I think also read the reviews

and see why people love a movie not just they

gave it a positive review because if maybe they

appreciate something about film that you don't

in a different way or maybe there's something

that appeals to them that wanted to you so I

think It's interesting to kind of look at it

in this way, like it's like a report card of

the summer movie season to see what was positive

and what was negative, but is the brown tomatoes

going to be the be -all and all? No, definitely

not, but it's a tool that you can use and you

can use it the way you see fit, but it's an interesting

way to kind of get a quick overview of the summer.

All right, so that's pretty much we're gonna

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Before we let you go and before we say goodbye

to the summer of 2013, we're just going to kind

of talk about our favorite and least favorite

thing that happened this summer. This is kind

of a wide open topic where we can really choose

anything movie related that happened and kind

of give everyone an idea of what we can talk

about. I guess I'll just start by talking about

personally the favorite thing that happened to

me this summer regarding movies and overall.

And I kind of touched about this a little bit,

and that was just the increase of video on demand.

I mean, I'm going to risk sounding like a little

bit pretentious here and a little bit of a movie

snob, but bear with me for a moment. I love huge

summer blockbuster films, and I love Pacific

Rim, all that great stuff. But I also enjoy smaller

films. I also enjoy just something that will

take its time and kind of be willing to be small

and intimate and all that great stuff. This summer

was full of a lot of great movies that came out

on video on demand. Like that stigma of being

released on video on demand has kind of been

gone and you're seeing great things like, you

know, the director of Drive, Wending Left End

came out with Only God Forgives, something like

Hell Baby with a comedy by the guys who did Bring

Down 9 -1 -1, Prince Avalanche by David Gordon

Green who did, you know, Pineapple Express and

a few other films. There's an abundance of really

great movies that you can get just from your

couch. In a way hurting theaters because now

you don't have to go out and see good movies,

but in a good way because those smaller films

that you won't be able to get in the middle of

America or in smaller areas are now at a touch

of a butt. And I think that's great because the

thing I love most about talking about movies

is finding those hidden gems, finding those movies

that no one's talking about and really getting

to experience them and so I would advise IndieWire,

actually the website IndieWire has a great article

every month about the top movies they watch on

demand. Check that out, they have trailers there

for you. You can really find something and see

that independent films are just as wide and varied

as all other films. There are great action movies,

there are great dramas, there are great comedies

and that stigma of being like, everything being

like Juno is starting to go away for a lot of

people. So that was the, for me, my everything

that happened this summer. My least favorite

thing, this is going to be really quickly because

it's probably didn't talk to you to death, and

that is just the craziness of fans when it comes

to casting. And obviously the go -to is Ben Affleck,

and I kind of understood that to a certain extent,

but creating petitions on websites, like on change

stuff. And fanboys are not alone, because recently

when the 50 Shades of Grey cast was announced,

that also had people going on to create petitions

that changed the casting of people. I don't know

what world we live in where like that has become

people go so crazy for Casting that they're gonna

go on to a website and do a petition that is

meant for like literally political type of things

and it's craziness and I mean You guys talked

to Mike powers and Steve talked greatly about

this on alter geek So check out those episodes

because I really get into it more in depth and

more than I will hear but I just to me that's

just craziness and i think there's so much more

to talk about and so much worse things to get

crazy about than the casting of movies but anyway

so yeah there was a and i think steve mentioned

this on on altered geek he was like yeah there's

there's all these pictures on all these memes

online of you know something happens in syria

yet ben afla gets cast as batman and everybody

loses their minds um the one thing you know i

you know people can listen to the pullback episode

27 for my thoughts on on bad flack i was fine

with it you know they couldn't have done it's

not like that you know they couldn't have done

any worse so um what about you mike what is your

favorite or least favorite and least favorite

thing for summer 2013 my favorite thing honestly

is because i think starting at the beginning

of the year at least when we got the first poster

uh... for pacific rim uh... you know we are personally

broken records here but uh... you know it showed

up at work in uh... i knew a little bit about

i knew is gerald el toro i knew it was giant

robots in either any the concept of it but i

hadn't seen anything is you know comic -con is

complete waste of everyone's time that's not

actually there uh... for for some reason uh...

But you know everyone at work was kind of like

okay, whatever and then the first trailer came

out and everyone at work So they're like it looks

okay. I'm like are you guys freaking kidding

me like it's it It's the only thing that's coming

out this year that has like zero baggage attached

to it. It's the it Yes, the ideas are borrowed

from everywhere else under the Sun, but that

can be said about anything But it was the only

original movie coming out this summer and I was

just kind of like, you guys are crazy if you

don't think this is going to be good or at least

exciting or to not be excited about it because

it's the only original thing coming this summer.

Everything else is either based off of a book

or a comic book or as a sequel to something that's

already come. And it's just like, you're nuts.

And I kept championing it and championing it.

And I was the only one at work that was excited

for it. And I think it was like the third trailer

that came out. And I was that was a trailer that

made me go, OK, I see why they did that. But

that's a really piss poor trailer. But then all

of a sudden, everyone at work was like, I see

and I totally see what you're talking about.

I get it. Now I'm really excited for this movie.

And of course, they got excited for it. And then

I got nervous because I was like, oh, man, I've

been I've been on board this thing from like

the get go. And if this thing sucks, I'm I've

never going to be able to live it down. And.

I luckily I went and you know I went and previewed

it in the IMAX and I saw it with everybody else

that you know I had you know gotten on board

my hype train and we all had the biggest grins

on our face from beginning to end and everybody

that I saw it with enjoyed it so I was like oh

thank god I didn't get on the wrong horse and

that that that was that was really satisfying

but I think in terms of like bad things that

have happened just and it's not even like it's

not bad right because we just talked about the

petitions and all the stuff that you know people

get people get mad about the casting stuff and

there's plenty of other things to get you know

so immature and stupid but hashtag for me for

me hashtag first world problems the worst thing

that i've seen or heard so far this summer is

the movie industry taking a cue from like the

the video game industry And we touched on this

a little earlier with the commentary track for

Man of Steel being locked to something. That

to me really bums me out. Don't get me wrong,

I use iTunes. I love the iTunes ecosystem and

everything. I've got all the toys that go along

with it. But I do not own any digital copies

of movies that I don't also have the Blu -ray

of, you know, like I get the Blu -ray that has

the digital copy. I've never bought a movie.

Just on iTunes, because, you know, streaming

media, downloaded media cannot does not match

Blu -ray yet, and it won't for a long time. And

I feel like. It bums me out that they're trying

that they're starting to do this like, you know

the commentary track for I love commentary tracks

This is this is why it really irritated me was

commentary track is only available on Apple,

you know on the iTunes store and then all the

other special features are divvied up and chopped

up, you know and dispersed among See, that's

the problem with the movie and the game industry

both movie industry specifically. I remember

when Iron Man Get released to DVD Go to the store

to get this version go to the store to get this

go to this story at this It's not just Iron Man

Transformers did it all these big budget movies

do it where all the stores want exclusives well

That shouldn't be how it is. There should be

one disc or two. Do you know one set? For whatever

movie it is one set with all the features you're

gonna put on it outside You know outside of like

collectors editions one standard to disc bonus

feature disc whatever That has everything that

you're going to put out unless it's special blu

-ray stuff I'm talking, you know just regular

old DVD here That just pisses me off that the

movie industry does that now and that just that's

just wrong It's I mean I I was fine with it early

on when it was just you know, you know target

with the Iron Man They got the steel case for

for Iron Man, but it was it was Yeah, but it

was the same version as everything else. It just

had a steel case to it And you know like best

buy gets like an exclusive slip cover some stupid,

you know thing like that They're all essentially

the same movie and then I can't remember. I think

it started with Transformers 2 They they had

Walmart got the IMAX version of Transformers

2 on blu -ray, and it's like what the heck man

now you've got But they still had all the same

special features as everybody else they just

had the IMAX one So I just had to go there to

buy it, but now it's like now. It's like Okay,

so everyone's getting the same movie, but and

we made all these special features, but now it's

like, okay, you get these two and you get these

two and you get the one that this guy wants.

I can't like I don't get that mad with the video

game stuff because I don't care about skins.

I don't care about extra map packs. I don't know.

That stuff is intangible to me. I don't really

care. I and the Avengers, I mean. the avengers

blu -ray was bare bones as anything unless you

bought it from somewhere which i didn't buy it

there um and that irritated me to no end i i'm

just it's really sad to see it go that way because

it makes me one it makes me not want to spend

my money when the movies come out and wait for

like some kind of special edition um so they're

they're they're losing money it's just and i

remember you know when avatar uh came out they

announced like three different versions Love

it like right off the bat and then they announce

like another two that we're coming at a later

time And it's like why would you announce all

this stuff ahead of time? Why would you not?

See that's that's like me now I know I know your

need to want the blu -ray and all that stuff,

but for me at this point If I can if I can spend

a buck on it at red box if I really want to see

it now Or I can wait three or four months till

it's on Netflix. I'm more of oh hey I'm going

to wait until the super collect like The Dark

Knight trilogy is coming out with a super collector's

edition with all three films and all this extra

other stuff. I'm to the point now where why am

I going to go spend 20 bucks on a two disc edition

when I can just wait? You know, I have that preordered.

I'm so excited to get that because I mean, I

own two copies. Actually, I have three copies

of Batman Begins. I've got the DVD, the HD DVD

and the Blu Ray. And then I've got I don't but.

For me, I don't own Dark Knight Rises, so I'm

willing to pay the 80 bucks just to get Dark

Knight Rises. Right, yeah. Seems fair enough.

All right, TFG1 Mike, what are your favorite

and least favorite things that happened this

summer? Going to see Iron Man 3. I know Mike

isn't specifically hip on that movie, but I just

thought it was a really cool, interesting way

to focus on him to set up phase two. Without

all of the shield baggage that was what I loved

about iron man 3 it was a story with him and

roadie and them being best friends and Sure,

he was out of the suit 90 % of the film But I

thought that was really cool that they did that

also Despicable me too is easily the funniest

comedy of the year as far as animated comedies

go disappointments on It's Kind of movie related,

but it's kind of not. I recently upgraded my

cable package, so I have a DVR now. The Hub aired

Tiny Tunes. I spent my summer vacation. And that

animated feature film is not what I remember

it being at all. I know it's not exactly theatrical,

but it just... It just wasn't what I... I remember

the Plucky Duck stuff with Hampton and Plucky,

but the whole Buster and Babs thing going down

the river, the whole thing, I just... I don't

know. As far as something in the theaters, you

know, I don't really have any bad moments for

theaters because if it's something that I believe

I can wait for digital release or something like

that, I won't go see it. I don't go to movies

expecting to be let down. I don't I don't either

I usually go and I try to go in with an open

mind which is like why like a lot of these movies

like even Like I said, I like RAPD even like

the Lone Ranger I enjoyed to a certain extent

it might have been the lack of Johnny Depp that's

in it even though he was He's in it in the previews

it looks like he's in it more than he actually

is yeah It's just I can't I go in with a certain

set of expectations, but it seems like the last

few years, especially after last summer, I go

in with lower than expected expectations. So

if I really don't like a movie, it's pretty bad.

Yeah, I mean, to me, if I'm on the fence about

seeing something I usually see in theaters, just

because to me, I think movies are meant to see

on a big screen. At all feel like I think this

will be a positive experience. I'll see it. I

don't see everything but I see most things and

For me like like you this I try to curtail my

expectations as much as possible Which is maybe

why something Alicia wasn't nearly as disappointing

for me as it was for a lot of people But I don't

try to like hey, I love district 9 this better

be as good as district 9 or it's unsuccessful

I think to me I try to View everything on its

own as much as I possibly can and so but so sometimes,

you know things still disappoint me and I don't

love everything but For the most part out of

what I've seen this summer I mean there are a

few things that I gave bad reviews But overall,

you know most of the things I say were at least

passable or at least recommend I would recommend

to someone to see even if you know something

like Wolverine did really well I thought that

was pleasant rise, but nothing really wowed me.

All right. Anything else anyone would like to

say it before we One last thing, they just need

to let Neil Blomkamp make his Halo movie already.

That's true. I'm tired of him teasing us with

District 9 and Elysium. Just let him make it

already. I don't even follow the Halo franchise.

Neither do I. I don't even like it. I just want

to see his movie. The closest thing I come to

the Halo franchise is the red versus blue guys.

Those are good. Yes, they are. and uh... final

thoughts yet this summer wasn't last summer you

had avengers spider -man and dark knight this

summer we had iron man three and wolverine and

later this year will warn us i am in a steel

okay yeah and and man of steel uh... you know

those six months i don't know what it is like

twenty twelve Don't know and I think maybe that'll

change once we Get more like if we get more consistent

films with Superman versus every 20 years or

every Seven years or whatever it is. You know

what I mean like I think if we get more consistent

films with that character It would be better

Honestly, I wanted them to do something slightly

different than what Marvel did. I wanted DC to

just say, screw it. Let's go all in with a Justice

League movie, get the perfect cast, and then

branch off of the Justice League movie to tell

individual movies. I know that probably isn't

going to work in most people's eyes, but that's

what I wanted them to do. Man of Steel kind of

set up a new DC cinematic universe, and we'll

see where it goes from there. I think 2013, you

know, you have sports teams that do this where

they have rebuilding year. I think 2013 is kind

of that rebuilding year where I think I'm more

excited about what Marvel has to come than I

was about RMP3 or even Thor 2. Like Guardians

of the Galaxy to me is far more interesting.

And I'm really psyched for Cap 2 because I just

I love that that comic series. So I'm excited

to see that come to the big screen. And I'm also

probably more excited for Batman and Superman

than I would have been for Man of Steel. So I

think that just regarding comic book movies,

I think We kind of set the stage a little bit

here and hopefully we will see better things

to come per se. Who knows what's going to happen?

I mean, who knows what will happen with Star

Trek if that will continue? I'm certain it will.

But yeah, I mean, like I said, I think 2013 is

a rebuilding year, though I am super excited

for the fall, which will hopefully get to dive

into even more in upcoming MY. Yes. Alright,

so that's gonna do it for this episode of MWIRE.

Thank you for joining us. We will catch you next

time with I I don't know. So for now, I am TF2

and Mike with Weaver Volt Dan and Mike Booth

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