Kevin Smith Retrospective Clerks 2 Review

Hi, this is John Delancey and you are listening

to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to the Cinema Geeks. podcast that is back and

hopefully better than ever. Today, we're actually

going to be continuing our long look at the career

of Kevin Smith with a review of Clerks 2. But

joining me on this adventure, as always, is hard

candy Mandy. How's it going? I'm here. Hey. Kevin

Optimus Solo. I'm here, but not singing. Oh,

too bad. And Matt for at least not. We're all

here this time. Yay, so there's a lot going on

this episode. Obviously before we get into the

actual review of Clark, so we have some some

business to take care of first I think we got

to send out a major congratulations to that of

Amanda and Kevin they They premiered their film.

They're officially married. I don't know. I was

trying to think of a movie thing, but it didn't

work at all, but major congrats So we're back

and now more of a legal family since two of us

now have a legal contract with one another. And

we do have to apologize because it's probably

mostly our fault for the lack of content lately

but we'll fix that soon. With this episode we

are getting back to our look at Kevin Smith but

one of the previous episodes we finished our

look at the video game series when we put a poll

out to ask what should we do next. We wanted

to give some few options, and the options we

gave were Western film, silent films, through

the AFI Top 100, and non -Miyazaki anime films.

Obviously these are pretty broad categories,

so we're gonna have to minimize it a little bit.

beyond this, but wanted to kind of go over the

results because we did get a lot of votes on

this poll and we're curious to see what people

would want us to do. So let's go from the bottom

up. Not surprisingly, I think the one I put my

choice behind, I don't remember, was silent films

and that showed up with 14 % with Nami, Izaki,

and... films showing up at 17%, but the winner,

it was quite a battle for the top two spots because

that 32 % was through the AFI top 100, so winning

it all was Western films with 37 and it was going

back and forth like between a few votes here

and there, eventually Western films taking it

off. So how excited are we to tackle the monstrosity

that is Western films? I mean, I'm excited for

that one. It's a genre that I've always enjoyed,

but never really, for some reason, gotten into

as in -depth as I would want to. And I had already,

before we even put up this poll, started doing

some of the legwork of trying to figure out which

Western films we would cover and compiling some

possibilities for you guys to look over and stuff

like that. So I'm excited. I think there's a

lot of different ways we can tackle that. It's

probably the most broad of all the categories,

but I think it'll present some fun opportunities

for us to decide in which ways we go and maybe

sample different parts, different types of Westerns

throughout, but obviously we'll have to have

conversations about that. Amanda, what do you

think? I think this is the one I was going to

have the most fun with no matter what, and I'm

glad it won. I love Westerns. I grew up watching

a lot of John Wayne and and good stuff like that.

I'm excited to see what span we're going to have

here. Are we going to have some new westerns

or are we going to have some definite old school

black and white westerns? Where are we going

with this? I have no idea. That's the beauty

of it. Matt, how about you? How much experience

do you have with westerns and what are your thoughts

on getting into them for our next series? Don't

think I've seen any of like the ones that people

consider classic right like the the dude without

a name like That was a thing, right? Like without

a name the man with her name. I've never seen

I've never seen any of those I've never seen

any movie with John Wayne in it or Who's the

other one Clint Eastwood? I don't think I've

seen a single Clint Eastwood movie I've seen

the hateful a and there will be blood. Those

are the most western things I've seen If you're

listening to this and you have some westerns

you think that would have to be included, you

kind of know our background. I have seen some

more westerns. I have seen some of the biggest

ones like The Searchers, Once Upon a Time in

the West. Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kidd is

one of my favorite Westerns. It's more modern.

I guess modern is from the 60s. But there's still

a lot I haven't seen because there's so many

of them. So any ones that you feel like should

be included on this, I think in probably a five,

six film series. And we'll throw out some choices

and we'll see where we go. We'll try to get a

nice mix, maybe some old, some mid -years, maybe

some newer ones. We'll go with that. Right now

we've been going through the career of Kevin

Smith and we've made it to clerks to we've been

doing every film up to this point So including

clerks chasing Amy. So now we're kind of getting

an interesting spot To Kevin Smith's career.

I think we're seeing some changes. This is the

first sequel He's ever written or done. Obviously

he's done films that exist in the same universe

And characters that have kind of split the spinoffs

with like James Island Bob strike back But this

is the first time and he's going back to the

film that made him So I was kind of interested

to see I know if I remember correctly Amanda

you weren't the hugest fan of clerks. So Does

Clerks 2, you know, change your mind? What were

your thoughts with this? I think Clerks 2 definitely

held my attention way better than the first Clerks.

I like that the production level is there. It's

like bumped up and you see these shots that are

thought out and more developed and have depth.

And I think that the wit is still there. That's

what catches your attention and kind of holds

you in. And I think some of the callbacks to

the first one made me appreciate the first one

a little bit more. Not that I want to watch it

again, but I like the tie -in and how they spun

it. So right out of the gate, they do something

to change up the scenery, and I liked it. Interesting.

Kevin one of your favorite parts of the first

clerks was Randall the character of Randall How

did you feel about him in this movie in the from

overall compared to the original clerks? He was

still my favorite character in the film He's

my favorite character in the first clerks and

he still was at this one. I was not disappointed

with him at all. I I don't know why because obviously

these were not, you know trained professional

Masters of their craft when it comes to the acting

world, you know, they're they're friends of Kevin

Smith, etc But for some reason I just find Jeff

Anderson's performance Just more believable than

Brian O 'Halloran who plays Dante. There's something

just I don't know like so And I know this is

what it was, but that's like grab your friend

in high school and record your own movie and

have one of them that just for some reason doesn't

have any type of timing. I don't know, it just

feels like stiff for Dante for me. So I just

think Randall's a more smooth actor per se, and

I like the lines that they give him. As far as

overall, I don't know if I enjoyed the dialogue

in this one quite as much as I did in Clerks,

but I still appreciated the Kevin Smith aspects

of that dialogue and kind of some of the things

that they discuss and debate back and forth,

et cetera. I think my only complaint for clerks,

too, is that I maybe could have done without

the level of, I don't know what you want to call

it, the adult aspects. Raunch? The crudeness

of it? Yeah, some of the raunchiness or crudeness.

I could have had that dialed back a little bit,

but maybe that's just because I'm... grumpy old

man now, compared to maybe a teenager watching

this. But overall, I still enjoyed it. I found

a lot of the same things that I liked about clerks

and clerks too. So it was a positive experience

overall. So you're saying your bachelor party

did not include bestiality at all? There was

no Kinky Kelly appearance. No. I'm sorry I couldn't

make it to that. Matt would have brought Kinky

Kelly. You know that's my role. That's a metal

image for you everyone now all right Matt so

Going into this, you know, one of the biggest

things we hear with with Kevin Smith is obviously

and Kevin mentioned it was the dialogue and he's

linked to a lot of nerd culture talking about

things that certainly comes up here with the

big Star Wars versus Lord of the Rings debate

that happens within within clerks to Does at

all like the climate of today in a way that like,

you know back at? When this came out, it was

somewhat refreshing. The atmosphere of those

debates felt a little bit not as toxic as today,

so does it seem at all strange? Does that impact

the enjoyment at all now knowing those types

of debates that happen tend to get a lot worse

with our social media culture compared to the

back and forth that existed when this first came

out? That's interesting, like, did anyone in

your circle of friends, like anyone here's circle

of friends, see this movie when it was, like,

brand new? I didn't. I know some people, like,

I have friends that did that were huge, like

Kevin Spacey fans. Because like, I was super

into Star Wars and Lord of the Rings when this

came out and I remember just being assaulted

just in conversation constantly. People just

like, you know, people that hadn't really dived

deep into either one of them just sort of repeating

what they had seen in the one Kevin Smith movie.

And like, it was wild to me, like... Like because

it was toxic then without the social media, you

know, like what we have space and so like Like

yeah, I guess I guess like part of me like I

didn't I didn't make that connection where it's

like Oh, man This would have been even worse

today because I don't know if it would have been

or or like is this even worse I guess I'm lucky

to be like a white dude on the internet like

so Star Wars is real safe for me and and so like

I don't know that I get into this vitriolic conversations.

This almost looks worse in this than I experienced,

but I know it's out there. Well, it's interesting

because you can look at it from one of two different

ways. It could be something that you would think

it would be worse today because of how, like

you said, vitriolic or people behind computer

screens and keyboards, just the way they go attack

people and stuff like that. But at the same time,

if you're thinking about real life, You could

think that like walking around and being a Star

Wars fan or a Lord of the Rings fan or you know,

they talk a lot about Transformers, etc. It doesn't

seem to me to have the same stigma it did when

we were like the generation before us like and

maybe even like the early parts of our generation

where you know Some people might be embarrassed

to admit that they were, you know, a Star Trek

fan, a Star Wars fan, et cetera, because of the

whole nerd being like a negative connotation

type thing. And I feel like, you know, during

our generation and definitely after that kind

of stopped being a thing, maybe that's just in

my experience. But so on one hand, people are

a little bit more abusive or or vitriolic, like

we keep saying. But at the same time, you don't

have to be. ashamed or afraid to talk about it

and have discussions. The discussions are more

realistic of going on in public now, so I don't

know. I could see it going both ways. I don't

know if any of that made sense. Yeah, I guess

you're saying in the sense of being open about

your cultures, in large part because of Kevin

Smith, is much more commonplace. You'll see anyone

wearing a Captain America t -shirt or like a

Star Wars shirt and think nothing of it when

at a moment in time they kind of put a stigma

behind it. But overall though, Matt's kind of

getting back to the film itself. What were the

overall just general thoughts about Clerks 2

and how it ranks up with this filmography so

far? Well, it's interesting because I really

wonder if a lot of Clerks 2 is reactionary. to

Jersey girl because like he does he does he does

chasing amy right this this uh romantic movie

like rom -com and it does well and then he does

jersey girl and it does terribly and then he

goes and does just another rom -com but he sets

it in jersey well i guess jersey girls and jersey

wasn't it huh um but he sets it with the clerks

characters and like it does infinitely better

like and it's it's very interesting to me Like,

how many rom -coms he hits on and how that's

not really what you talk about when you talk

about Kevin Smith. And, like, personally, I like

that. I like a romance story. And, like, Clerks

was almost the opposite of that, right? Like,

you see a relationship breaking up. Yeah. So

I guess I like that aspect of Clerks, too, a

lot more than the first one. And, of course,

the obvious, like, production quality going up

as he moves along is a welcome thing. Interesting.

Yeah, I think I enjoyed Clerks too, for sure.

Some of what worked in Clerks 1 is certainly

here, the characters, their conversations with

one another, certainly the world that Smith is

good at building. And I think you hit on something,

Matt, regarding how certainly he's saying I think

a lot with this movie and the way that his kind

of career is going and and the way I feel like

even rings more true now you know where you have

a character that's like you're stuck between

what you uh you know what you're expected to

do and you know you're and what you truly want

to do and how something is more perhaps respected

and people will you know gravitate towards that

more. Obviously, Kevin Smith could probably direct

a lot of studio films, make a lot of money, and

probably get better reviews. in a way, he wants

to make the movies that he wants to make that

are probably looked down upon by most people,

by a lot of the critics obviously, but ultimately

what he loves doing and how he's kind of caught

in between both worlds. I know Clark's one Dante

was very much representing of him and I think

that's the case here. I don't know if it's purposeful

or subconscious or what have you, but you certainly

see, I can definitely see the parallels between

the plight of the characters here and then also

the career of Kevin Smith. I do think some of

the stuff, it just doesn't work as well. Yeah,

it does look better. It's obviously, you would

hope over a decade of filmmaking and a much bigger

budget. it would look better and I think even

Smith is trying to do a lot more with the camera.

Thinking back to specific scene where we have

Randall confronting once like there's this big

secret revealed regarding a baby or potential

pregnancy and it was to me the first time I really

felt that Kevin Smith was really using an active

camera where he tends to kind of just keep it

more static and even since then for the most

part. So I did feel like he was trying to bring

out more But I think there was also such an originality

with the original clerks. I think sometimes that

rough around the edges, part of it actually kind

of helped it. in a way. I enjoyed this, but to

me, what it had to say wasn't as refreshing and

as, I don't say as edgy, but as unique as the

original Clerks. But I think some of what made

the original Clerks work is still within the

fragments of this sequel. Yeah, I agree with

that in a lot of ways, Dan, because I think the

parts where it starts resembling clerks are the

parts where, especially like some of the dialogue

or some of the discussions start to give you

feelings of reminiscing of clerks. It's like

it scratches the surface, but it never necessarily

goes the whole distance that clerks did. It feels

like the conversations are kind of similar to

those, but not as Not as memorable, not as, not

that they were like these revelations or anything

like that, but just not as, they didn't go as

deep and weren't quite as fun. I think the closest

that I got to that was maybe the end discussion

where Dante and Randall are kind of talking about,

especially Randall was talking about why he enjoyed

being at the quick stop and stuff like that,

kind of that. Friendship moment there was as

bad as I mean it's a little sappy and why not

But that's like as close as it got to having

a little bit more to chew on Where a lot of the

other ones were just kind of surface Commentary

and joking, you know humor bits So I felt like

they didn't quite get into some of the debates

that I would have enjoyed there that I did enjoy

in clerks Yeah, I think kind of the ending in

a way that the final act got really messy and

it felt like a movie that ran it almost undercut

itself like by having you know Dante and She's

I can't think of her the name of her character

Rosario Dawson's character by having like kind

of them already have a relationship and by having

Him already choose her that that final confrontation

with Randall feels a lot less like the air sucked

out of it because they're having a debate over

a decision that he already chose not to make

so it's like it feels a lot less impactful when

it's like you already know the decision he's

made because he's done it already so it felt

like that scene just felt out of place or like

a better script or by structuring it a little

better, it would have made more sense because

it seemed like they were ordering something that

was in question three or four scenes ago, but

now it seems like they've already kind of come

to a conclusion. So that felt like, I thought

that moment was good, but it felt like a movie

that forgot exactly where it was. I was curious,

I agree with that. I was curious to what you

guys thought about the character of Elias, because

that's a character we have not seen before, correct?

I have filmed with Elias, yeah, we haven't seen

him yet. So did you guys like him? Did you find

him annoying? Did you feel like he fit into this

universe with the characters that had already

been established and we knew well? I think he

was a good outsider for them to target, or Randall

to target, rather. I think he was a certain kind

of comic relief within what was going on, but

he was also a catalyst for some crazy Randall

situations. Damn it, what do you guys think of

Elias' character? I wasn't the hugest fan, to

be honest. I felt a little, I didn't say one

-dimensional, but talking about what made Clark's

work, this is kind of a good example of it, where

the characters certainly were colorful and had

personalities, but they felt a little bit more

tied to reality, where his character felt like...

Not that in a little bit like more over -the

-top than everyone else and that kind of described

the movie to me a little bit where everything

was a little bit more Over -the -top than previously.

I mean there were some funny moments in the in

Miranda did have a good back -and -forth but

Overall, I think if they just added a little

bit more or tried to run this character out a

little bit more What do you think Beth? I think

I could agree with that like he seems almost

like a parody of a person Like it's very hard

to believe someone could believe all the things

he believes But I do think also the back and

forth is fun and interesting And uh, the you

know, the final scene without words with with

him and and the the clerks is is very cute and

fun That's a kind of surprise that like he hasn't

done much since since clerks, too Uh, you know

like I kept feeling like I knew him from something

else, but I think I was getting I think I kept

thinking he was uh, someone somebody else What's

his name? I can't think of i'm forgetting long.

Yes. I kept thinking it was justin long They

just have a similar personality. See I wasn't

the only one Like, if you're in these, like,

view -askew movies, you don't do anything else.

I mean, yeah, that's not... You're not wrong.

Another new character you bring up here was Rosara

Dawson, obviously, probably the most seasoned

actor out of everyone here. We're in an actual

film. What did we think of her character and

how she fit in with the other clerks and, you

know, the view -askew characters? I was thrown

off at first because for some reason in my mind

all of the Kevin Smith films came out in the

90s and even though most of them didn't so like

whenever I'm watching like clerks or mall rats

or any of these things like for some reason my

brain places them in like oh those were all those

all came out while I was in high school or Whatever

it was and I'm like man Rosario Dawson like they

that was a long time before she was somebody

But no, it was 2006. So I'm just retarded. I

liked her a lot. I liked her character I like

the way that she kind of interacted with With

Dante and and the rest I thought she did a lot

to kind of elevate their performances in a way

and make them a little bit more Or a little less

awkward If you want to call it that so I enjoyed

Rosario Dawson's character in this Amanda. What

did you think? Yeah, I mean she was a cool down

-to -earth chick that Played off of their humor.

Well and Randall's bullshit didn't faze her.

So that was nice Apparently some of the names

that they were thrown around that were gonna

be her role Originally Sarah Silverman Bryce

Dallas Howard Rachel Weiss I don't know if I

how you guys feel about any of those actresses

in that spot or if you think Rosario was the

right fit but I could definitely see Sarah Silverman

playing that role. Rachel Weiss, I don't. I don't

think I've ever seen her doing anything comedic

in my life. I could see it. Actually, Sarah Silverman

probably even fitting the role a little bit better.

I like Rosara Dawson. I think she's pretty much

great in everything she does. She can kind of

play all the different roles. local girl did

not feel out of place even though she's clearly

a more seasoned actor, but she doesn't ever feel

like over act or she tends to bring people up

in the sense when she's going off of some of

the people that don't necessarily have the same

acting talent. But I thought she was a good addition.

I don't know, Matt, if you had anything to add.

I don't know, man. Has she ever done a really

rom -com -y role? Because I think if it were

her, I would know which girl I was supposed to

like, because I usually dislike her greatly in

any role she's in. She's been in a bunch of mumblecore

types of movies. I think there's one with Michelle

Williams she was in. She's done a lot of more

low -key film, especially the last five or six

years or so. Uh, like she was in the book of

Henry trying to think of other things she's done.

Um, I can't think of the movies she was in with

with Seth Rogen and stuff. I think she's certainly

capable of playing that more laid back. Just

take this wall to something I'm thinking of where

it wasn't a romantic comedy, but she was certainly

not like the server Silverman personality you

think of when you think of her more comedic role.

Okay. You haven't seen the book of Henry yet,

Matt? I have not seen it. If it's a movie, I

probably haven't seen it. I think one of the

biggest questions obviously is that, you know,

does Clark's to need to exist, which is I think

maybe a weird question to ask, but does it feel

like looking at his filmography where it's coming

that this he had something to say and it was

a purposeful or does it feel like he was just

trying to get his career back on track by going

back to something he knew well. Any thoughts

on that? I don't know if it was necessarily necessary

to be redundant, but I think that it was well

-timed as far as You know, he did a bunch of

films like that in the beginning and it kind

of seemed like he was doing Some other things,

you know stretching his wings and doing some

of these rom -coms that we've mentioned a couple

times so I think it was it was a nice touch to

Especially probably a lot of his fans to kind

of go back and give him something that that harkens

to the original one The question is was is a

clerks three necessary because apparently they

did a script for that Oh, they had it way beyond

script it was just one of the the two clerks

dropped out i want to say it was randall and

he said he's not doing it without both of them

they got real far into production yeah they they

talked about doing a tv series too for a while

it was going it's gone all over the place or

is that mall rats that was the mall that was

a whole other issue where he tried Like he was

gonna buy back the rights because he didn't actually

own the rights to it and the company that bought

out Miramax Like won't sell the rights to anything

they own even if they're never gonna use it.

It was the whole thing Interesting anything else

any oh sorry go ahead man I was gonna say I actually

want to continue on what he just said that I

don't think clerks 3 is necessary Which is a

weird thing cuz if you'd asked me, I don't know

six or eight months ago I'd have been like, yeah,

I always want more But after this, I don't know,

my fourth or fifth rewatch this has to be, I

don't know that I need more from these guys.

I'm glad we got the second one, because that

first one did not have a happy ending, and they

originally had an even less happy ending. And

I like that these guys get that happy ending

in their 40s or whatever. If they came out, I'd

watch it, but I don't think I need it. Amanda?

I don't know, I'm just not a huge fan of Dante.

I feel like he's always meh, he's bleh. So I

really can't get into his plight. Yeah, Randall

is funny, but I think he's just a turd and useless.

A turd. So I really don't need any more of them,

no. This I think bumped up the duo. clerks too

didn't exist, I think I would have been down

farther on the first clerks, but them together,

I feel as a whole, they're okay. I don't really

seek them out though. Kevin Smith did have something

purposed to say that this was probably something

he, I don't know if he ever had a plan but it

certainly I think felt like a good place for

it because it extended to not just these characters

but I think what he was trying to say about where

he was and like I think Matt brought up a good

point earlier regarding having Jersey Girl being

what it was. He certainly, I know he's spoken

a lot about that and how it was a disappointment

where this felt more comfortable and it felt

like him getting back to the world he knows and

what he wants to say and Curious to see you know

where it goes from here because obviously he's

taken much different direction with a lot of

the films after this And we we see that with

cop out which will be much different obviously

because it's always at next Yes Anything else

anyone wanted to bring up before we bring this

episode to a close I feel like this was the middle

movie in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. We're

just walking to the next better film. It's kind

of funny for a guy who makes fun of movies for

all walking when his movies are all talking.

Yeah, any film that that has discussions involving

transformers and go -bots. I'm a fan of You just

like the line when they make fun of go -bots.

I actually like go -bots. I'm a go -bots defender

So I mean it hurt a little bit, but I like that

they at least acknowledge they existed Kevin

might have been Elias Trolls I didn't believe

in the trolls. I wouldn't have been that cool

I'm surprised that the rating of this film got

actually it got a like 60 something on Rotten

Tomato 65 somewhere in the mid 60 63 Which was

pretty good and it made a bunch of money. So

like Matt said it was definitely successful through

a different Different levels whether you look

at it from what he was trying to accomplish or

whether you look at it from a critic standpoint

or even from financial so I'm surprised that

you know a lot of sequels and lots of stuff like

that. It kind of falls flat So I'm surprised

at how positive people were on it Yeah, I mean

considering Jersey girl was 42 % and I guess

certainly it's a which honestly was was higher

than I expected because like how Much that movie

got lambasted, but I also liked it more than

I anticipated too. So alright Well, let's let's

go around and do final grades and final thoughts

Amanda. Let's start with you. Oh dang Dude three

Wow You weren't that scathing when you were talking

about it I just I have not a lot of feelings

for it and I don't know the humor didn't work

on me I'm not big into the Transformers. I like

Lord of the Rings, but not enough to bar for

for somebody messing with me about it So, I don't

know I just really I'm just ready for other films

Thanks I'm a little higher than Amanda. I think

I would give it like a six How about you I think

I'm gonna go with a seven like I like that it

rounds out the story that we Already started

and and it's got all the elements. I like in

a movie Yeah, I'm about a six as well. It was

like I said, I don't have anything hugely negative

to say It just felt like you know, it was like

hearing a joke you laugh at again And sometimes

you laugh at it again. Sometimes you don't but

I I went into this thinking we're hearing really

bad things But I'm like actually this is this

works for the most part. So there we go As I

mentioned we're getting into cop out next is

anyone seen cop out before? How about it's not

next actually? Oh, it's not I thought it was

Nope, we have unless I have something wrong here.

I got Zach and Mary make a porno. Yeah. Oh, yeah

I'm looking at the wrong. I'm looking at the

writer section. That's why cuz he didn't write

cop -out. So it didn't show up. Yeah 2008 Zach

and Mary make a porno. There we go. So that doesn't

all donkeys Well, that's one I have seen has

heaven and only I've seen secondary Yes. It's

going to be the first one I haven't seen. Oh,

you're in for a treat. Am I? Am I? No. No. You

see way too much of Jason Long. Is that why his

last name is Long? No. Well, that's weird that

you're calling him Long. That's the name you're

calling him, huh? Chef Rogan, you mean? So what

does that mean? Fina. I'm Fina. No, no. The Jason

dude. It's not Long. Justin. Justin Long. Jason

who? What's his name? This is going on. Are you

talking about Jason Sudeikis? Who are you talking

about? The James silent bop dude. Jason Muse?

Jason Muse, yeah. No, you saw him in this last

movie. Justin Long is in the next movie, so...

As I said, Justin Long is in the next movie.

I'm so confused. That was a happy mistake, you

guys. Jason Muse, we see a lot of Jason Muse.

Too much! As we indicated... upfront. If you're

in, you know, we'll be doing our Western series

next. So if you have any questions we want to

focus in on, let us know. We'll come to a conclusion.

Maybe we'll put out some more polls, which mean

some of the decisions that we come up with on

our Twitter. So check that out at CinemaGeekCast.

Amanda, what is your Twitter? At HardCandyMandy,

I Snowice. Kevin? At OptimaSolo. And Matt? I

am at FridleyScent. and I am at Movie Revolt.

Thank you for checking out this week's episode.

We'll be back more, we promise, very soon as

we continue to look at Kevin Smith's career.

Next time, getting into Zach and Marie Makepano.

Thanks for listening.