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Hitchcock Retrospective – North by Northwest Review

About this Episode
Hello discerning podcast listeners, this is Tom
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optimus solo and joining me today Once again
is the comic con sheers Dan. How are we doing?
I'm doing well. How about yourself? I'm doing
well. I'm excited to get into yet another Hitchcock
film. It's weird. We've been making our way through
this 10 films of Alfred Hitchcock kind of a lot
of eight blind spots for me, a few blind spots
for you, but just a chance to kind of look at
this iconic director and all of these things.
And we were trying to decide in the beginning,
obviously Hitchcock has like a thousand films.
We were trying to decide how many would be a
good number and things of that nature. And you
feel like You get through about 10 films of somebody
and you're probably thinking that'll be enough
and like you're going to be ready to move on
to something. I can honestly say that I'm somewhat
like motivated to even watch more of Hitchcock
films than the ones we have. I'm like, oh, but
we're not watching this one or oh, so and so
is also in this one. I wonder what that one's
like. So it's kind of crazy. I'm definitely not
getting tired of this journey at all. So Um,
what's your take so far as we've made this journey
and what were you going into today as far as
thought process as we were going to cover the
1959 spy thriller north by northwest I was actually
very similar because i was looking through because
there is a lot obviously we're not covering He's
like you mentioned he it was in the age where
he made a movie a year if not more So he you
can't do them all and even with him like there's
some major ones that you know like We are missing
and does make me think maybe going back and seeing
if you especially with some of the actors that
I've really enjoyed that he did other movies
with I'm like, maybe, you know, so a feeling
I was actually feeling similarly. I'm like, I
might go back and watch for example, like a lifeboat
and other ones I've seen before some new ones.
Cause like now they're popping up at like on
different platforms about recommendations. Like,
yeah, I know what I haven't seen that one. Maybe
I should Well, it was like, uh, you know, I remember
the old alpha I know he didn't like direct most
of them But the old alfred hitchcock presents
tv show. Yes back in the day. Um, so Uh, but
yeah, so i've been really enjoying it. Obviously
we didn't love every single film Uh, which is
gonna happen no matter, you know who you who
you uh, what Filmography you go through well
for the most part But even like the movies I
didn't love there's always something. I was glad
I watched it. So yeah For sure. I haven't been
upset about any of them necessarily. One of them
that catches my mind is that has been thrown
out there a couple of times as I've been doing
research for it is To Catch a Thief, which is
a 1955 film and that's got Cary Grant and Grace
Kelly in it. And that's one I've never seen before.
So that's definitely something that I'm like,
oh. I'd like to see these two on stage together
again. Just one of many that I've been like,
well, maybe maybe there's gonna be a part two
at some point. I don't know. So what was your
what was your history once again for North by
Northwest? What were you bringing in as far as
when you were venturing into this rewatch for
you? I believe and how long had it been? In a
while. I think I first watched it when it first
came to blu -ray. Remember buying it or something
like there would be me was a special edition
or something like that of Northwest Northwest
So it's been a while. It's been over. It's been
over like a decade since I've last seen it. I
remember when I watched it last time I remember
really liking it but and Remembering some bits
of it, but still a lot of it, you know has long
gone my memory so Absolutely knows like I said
last episode is the first time watch for me.
So this is a 1959 film starring Cary Grant, Eva
Marie Saint, and James Mason. It is a tale of
mistaken identity as an innocent man is pursued
across the United States in this instance by
agents trying to prevent him from, or that he's
trying to prevent blocking their plan to smuggle
microfilm containing government secrets out of
the country. So this is like part 39 steps, part
notorious. Part of a lot of the different films
that we have watched so far all together it seems
like in one big package so what was your initial
take on this rewatch for you. My initial take
was that I still really enjoyed it a great deal
and I obviously before this is the time before
like summer blockbusters existed but I feel like.
People argue what is the biggest, what's the
first blockbuster? I feel like this could be
added to the list because it is such a big film,
especially for its day. Some of the set pieces
in this are, I think, some of the most, probably
require some of the most work. We've seen, of
course, the classic playing sequence that this
is best known by, but even the Mount Rushmore
scenes. But beyond that. I just think it's one
of those movies that kind of has it all in the
sense of there's a lot of comedy in this. I completely
forgot how funny it is at times. And a lot of
that, of course, is from Cary Grant, the entire
scene where he's driving drunk. And it's supposed
to be terrifying, and it is. But it's also funny
at the same time, just because of the way he
plays it. And then the entire scene of him drunk
being interviewed by the cops and stuff like
that. It's like, oh. This is why he's such a
legend because It's so effortless. There's so
many great lines on that way now when he's like
stick out your tongue He's like, okay stand back
or I could hear him say Lester Towson like I
could just like the way he said that every time
like I could listen to an entire movie of him
just saying Lester Towson the entire time just
the way he would present stuff, but I had a great
time with this and I think I even liked it more
this time around And you know it obviously going
through this Spectrum this retrospective you
see a lot of these things that you know, Hitchcock
loves and I feel like There's so many of them
in this movie like as we've been going through
all the how Hitchcock isms feel like every check
mark this one has and then some So I don't know.
I had a great time with it. How about yourself?
Well, I came in with no expectations. I didn't
know exactly like what the Mood of the film would
be like what obviously a lot of his films have
some similar takes as far as like the aesthetics
of them and like what they're going for from
a suspense or a thriller standpoint. And I'm
reading that this one says like spy thriller
and. I feel like the word comedy is missing from
that description like this. OK, this may not
be some argue that this is the best Hitchcock
film. I don't know if I'll say it's the best
Hitchcock film in my opinion so far. I don't
know if it'll come out as. the favorite of or
the best made or anything like that. But I know
for sure without going through all those exercises
that so far this is the most fun Hitchcock film
I've experienced. Like this is just entertaining
from beginning to end. And it is hysterical.
Like I was not anticipating. Like I knew I liked
Cary Grant. Like I've seen him in a number of
different films. I know I'm a huge fan of his.
Like he's one of my favorite like Hollywood era
actors and for some reason I had never seen this
and this is just like I Don't like this is like
the top of the heap for him like I he's Amazing
in this film Amanda and I were watching this
together because she's joined me for most of
this journey She had studied a few of these in
school and a few that she hadn't seen so she's
been watching and looking forward to certain
ones and We were watching this together and just
absolutely cracking up like half the time like
The thing about that drunk sequence is it should
look so terrible based on a lot of other things
you see from this era when it comes to that type
of thing because they just didn't have the technology
to really like pull that off and it actually
doesn't look bad like it looks funny, but not
like I Don't know it doesn't have that thing
where you're just like well, that's just an old
film we got to like forgive it for like looking
like it does right now like I thought it looked
pretty good with his whole sequence. He's hysterical
when he's getting interviewed by the police like
when he crawls up and lays down on like the desk
or whatever that is that piece of furniture is
dying and then like the sequences where he's
in a car with his Kidnappers, I guess you could
say like the nonchalant the Nothing can faze
me yeah the I have a quip for everything you're
about to say and like they're just not taking
anything serious like he takes so many moments
of this film not serious at all that is it's
it's hilarious to watch so like I thoroughly
enjoyed this film from beginning to end and it's
It is like you're talking about blockbuster wise,
like the locations that they're going to, like
the sequence with the plane, the sequence with
Mount Rushmore, the sequence with the United
Nations. Like this is like the summer blockbuster,
right? Like you're getting all the different
like bigger than life set pieces and things of
that nature. It comes out the July 4th weekend
in 1959, I believe. And this is just. like it's
you have a movie star of all movie stars you
have all of these scenic and crazy set pieces
you have action you have comedy at the time you
know the whole spy aspect going along with the
cold war and things of that nature so like i
feel like it just works on so many levels and
i read this later that it has been printed multiple
times i did not know that like when we were just
watching this without and doing any research
without looking at any websites any reviews about
any of this. We were like halfway through and
I leaned or I looked over at a man and I said,
is was Cary Grant the first James Bond? Like
because if he wasn't technically, I feel like
he was some other way because I feel like everything
that James Bond is is based off of this character
in some way. Like he's dressed like to impress.
I did read something after the fact that like
his suit. I think GQ or something in 2006 assembled
some panel to talk about the most influential
costumes, outfits, clothing, things in film.
I don't know if it was in film history or whatever
it was, but his suit is one of the top of the
list. They said that a couple of Tom Cruise in
one of the films copied it in collateral. Ben
Affleck in Paycheck has basically the same suit.
So like it's just hitting on all cylinders here.
And I think it's just more fun and more funny
than I was expecting to have with this film.
Yeah, yeah. And it's crazy how much like you
could want to going through this that not necessarily
related to this, but the fact Cary Gritt never
won an Oscar for anything is crazy to me. Like
he has like an honest honorary one. But like,
I don't know, like he's so good in this and You
the James Bond comparison is is pretty apt because
it is like that the any you have a lot of these
I think some of the better sent pieces and you
saw and like James Bond for quite a while like
the you know, the the crop dusting scene I think
is famous and for obvious reasons like I can
only imagine, you know, the Oops, they had to
jump through to get that to work as well as it
does Uh, it's it's always on the move. It doesn't
it doesn't waste really any time whatsoever.
Like it starts and it you know We mentioned a
lot of i've mentioned like previous films that
we've done there's a lot like a lot of patience
and Hitchcock's film like even we're a window
It takes a while for things to kind of build
up like with this by the first act It's like
it's off off to the races and it does like slow
down a little bit after that drunk You know after
the drunk sequence, but not in like in a bad
way, then it goes right back up again. I just
Thought it was paced so well Uh, and the characters
here, you know, we not to bash on vertigo again
or anything like that But I mentioned last week
with vertigo like how you know that one of that
movie is is Focused on this relationship working
and you know you believing it and I didn't have
that feeling here certainly not the case like
this even though like On paper it kind of looks
a bit ludicrous that this woman would fall in
love with this guy. Although there's again there's
It was purposeful. They'd, you know, Eva Marie
Saint and Gary, Gary, uh, Cary Grant just had
so, so much great chemistry. Like I bought them
as a couple. Like you understood, like, I felt,
felt believable to me. You know, they would go
the rounds that they did to do what they did.
And it is a bit confusing. Like on paper, like
it does, I do think a second time around, I was
able to better understand what was happening,
but I. At the same time that confusion I think
is helpful because they always kind of try to
guess where it's going And when it gets there,
I also like that. It doesn't try to overly explain
everything like it hits at it Like there's this,
you know statue with film filming it what's in
it. It doesn't really get into it It just you
know, it's the thing that they care about And
I love that about a lot of Hitchcock movies that
we've gone so far. It's like there's this is
he's the bad guy. You know, he's the bad guy.
Why is he the bad guy? Because he's the bad guy.
And some people could look at that as like not
great script writing. But at times I just feel
like, you know, why this person is here. You
know what, what, where this is going. We don't
have to like, you know, spell it out. And I feel
like, you know, a lot of movies today, we have
to do that all the time. We have to go into explanations
about everything here. It's like, this is the
thing they need to get because they need to get
it. and that's enough and right i kind of like
i like that because you can spend it focused
on the more fun things the better things more
interesting things rather than just like the
macguffins that i mean mean much anyways i didn't
know that he was like one of the people that
i thought i read somewhere that he's one of the
guys that coined that phrase oh really i did
not know as something like used in film just
for other purposes. I think I read one thing.
I didn't look like substantiated, but I guess
that's a Hitchcock word, possibly. I think another
thing that it does that we saw, especially like
right off the bat with the 39 steps, right? Like,
you know immediately that this guy's innocent.
You know that he's being sought after in some
type of way. So like you're immediately on board
with him and in his corner, but then also like
the suspense is just built in, even though we're
having a ton of fun along the way and he's not
he's taking it in a much different way obviously
than the characters and the 39 steps but it's
just like we already have the suspense about
is he going to be able how is he going to be
able to clear his name and things of that nature
but i think they do just enough along the way
to keep us guessing and to keep us not expecting
what happens next right like there is the sequence
done in the United Nations where I guess they
had to employ some like hidden cameras to figure
out like what that needed to look like and then
they had to recreate it but anyways there's a
there's an action that happens in that building
as far as you think he's getting somewhere and
then a swerve I guess is sent sent through as
far as like somebody's meeting their demise and
whatnot like did not see that coming so there's
different things along the way like obviously
if you've seen it multiple times or if you've
read stuff about it, none of this is going to
be like, you know, um, it's not going to like
catch you off guard or anything like that, but
like on a first time watch, you don't know who
the real agent is, right? Like at first, like
they mentioned that there is an agent involved.
You're not sure exactly who it is. There's a
few people that it could be that type of thing.
So like, there's just enough of little pieces
along the way to keep that suspense going as
well as you having a lot of fun along the way.
And I, have to bring up before I forget to because
I mentioned the obviously the drunk driving and
the arrest and dealing with the police after
that and then being in the car with the kidnappers
another scene that just had me in stitches though
is that auction scene oh yeah like that like
once he discovers that he basically needs to
find a different one alternative way out of that
setting His actions and the way he goes about
it is just bananas. And I just loved every minute
of that, trying to figure out, well, that didn't
work. He needs to kick it up even more of a notch.
What's he going to do next? What's he going to
say next? And I loved that about it as well.
And I think you're right. I think Cary Grant
and Ava Marie Saint had a great interaction,
relationship between each other. how it's kind
of going back and forth as you do like it's very
akin to what you see in so many Bond films, right?
Or so many films like that where you have James
Bond and whatever girl that he's falling for
in that film or even in non James Bond films
like that is like a something that I don't know
how often it happened before this, but it definitely
happens a whole lot after this that we see in
our lifetime from film. And I think that's just
another aspect that makes this film enjoyable
overall. Yeah. Because at first, you know, I'm
like, okay, he's attractive I get like why she
would maybe she's just kind of into this type
of thing and then Of course, there's more to
it and then and how it goes from there But also
I that's the thing too is I felt like all the
actions here were believable in the situation.
And you also understand why they wouldn't believe
him because it is crazy and they covered their
tracks really well. So I think that was another
thing that the character's actions here all made
sense. I mean, maybe you could argue when he
goes to the hotel room and he kind of pushes
his luck, but you can Also see it and it was
pretty convenient when the guy gets enough knife
in the back and he like pulls it out Like but
again, I think like those things I was evil I
was so with maybe I was willing to go with it.
So That's you know, that's what I even you know,
like there were perhaps some convoluted elements.
Everything was believable Everything I think
made sense like you understood why certain things
are happening the motivation Yeah, you can just
how crazy things get yeah, you can probably say
the same thing about when he goes back to the
house the second time Yeah, like with the police
officers or whatever and everything's changed
and nobody's there the set the other it's like
It's another thing that maybe you could poke
holes in but like I feel like if you're just
like along for the ride it works fine And it
didn't bother me at all. Like I love those interactions
with with all the different people, you know,
we didn't mention a whole lot of the Extras I
guess in this but a couple notables specifically
Martin Landau showing up in this one as the Sidekick
to Philip Van Damme who's I guess the main quote
-unquote villain so those it's basically James
Mason and Martin Landau is like the two guys
that they're trying to Take down. I thought that
was interesting like I I saw that his name popped
up in the credits at the beginning and then I
was like trying to place him and First I wasn't
sure you know if I was gonna recognize him as
many years younger as he was then what I was
used to him Looking like but he definitely has
this is one of his first major roles, too I believe
I didn't know like he looked familiar, but I
just couldn't place it. I'm like oh wow he That's
the only time ever see I didn't know he was ever
young. I thought he was always I thought he was
always older. I never but Right. There's also
a number of voice actors in this that are more
classic voice actors or things of that nature.
So Sarah Berner, who was actually one of the,
she was in Rear Window as well. She was one of
the married couples with the beds or whenever
she plays the telephone operator. She did a bunch
of voice, that kind of classic voice work. Les
Tremaine is the auctioneer. Olan Soule is the
assistant auctioneer who plays the the What other
Hitchcock things did you pick out of this one?
Yeah, as you mentioned in kind of one of your
intro statements Like this has a lot of what
we've looked at throughout these films. So like
how many did you pick out? Oh, yeah, the relationship
with the mother, you know Roger Thornton Thornhill.
He has a actually a pretty like healthy relationship
with his mom so that's a big key when of course
you have the the Hitchcock blonde with you Marie
Saint The falsely accused probably the one that
hits the falsely accused the most so far 39 steps,
of course You have a cameo I think of any there
any other specific notable I didn't know this
going into it, but just in doing a little bit
of reading afterwards so it was so subtle that
I didn't pick up on it, but we have seen this
now and like probably Three of the films at least
but Martin Lando said that in an interview basically
that he was playing Leonard as subtly Homosexual
As far as his character goes so we've seen that
in at least three films now Which I did not pick
up on but I guess that's one of the reasons why
he's so like wanting to get Eva Marie Saint picture
and things of that nature and why he's got a
little bit more like stake in what's happening.
So I thought that was interesting. I didn't read
into that or catch that on the watch. But now
that I'm now that I read it after the fact, I
can kind of see where that was. And I guess Hitchcock
was and the screenwriter were fine with it. They
were actually big fans of it. The screenwriter
actually even rewrote a line to like say something
about his women, his woman's intuition. There's
a line in there that drops, which at the time,
I guess, was not something that You would find
guys like saying even ingest. So, uh, so I found
that interesting as well. Wow. I, that makes
a lot of sense. Like it, that, yeah, I didn't
catch, I can't catch that. I mean, obviously
it was very obvious, far more obvious than something
like rope. Now that you say that it, a lot of
those scenes, cause their relationship was a
bit weird. Not weird is the right word, but I
did feel like there was something more there.
At first I thought he was, he was going to. I
don't know, maybe burn on him or something like
that. And especially when he shoots the gun at
him. And then obviously it ends up being blank.
So but yeah, that certainly. Opens the eye. Yeah,
that was interesting. Yeah. The use of you bringing
up that gun reminded me to like another thing
that kind of keeps you a little bit on your toes
throughout the film, even with all the comedy
is the the times that they're employing that
gun in two different instances where you may
be thinking that somebody's dead. Or something
like that where they they have some little swerves
there as well. So I thought that was kind of
well done Yeah on top of that. He also loves
his trinkets Of course, we've had the lighter
in the past and that's when we get the matchbook.
Oh, it becomes a really important piece So, you
know that I didn't I figured it would come up
again, you know, it's the checkoffs Matchbook
it has this but that's another one too because
he loves those little things That always something
with matches and you know matches keys Lighters,
you know, yeah, there's always something. Yeah.
Yeah, that's kind of a nice there an interesting
thing to kind of watch for Obviously this one
is well -received, right? It has like a 97 %
on rotten tomatoes good reviews on a lot of topless
and things of that nature Box office wise. I
believe it did. Okay, I don't have the exact
numbers on Let's see gross 46 ,000 first week
35 ,000 second week About two and a half million
in the first couple of months so according to
MGM records the theatrical rentals of five point
seven million and four point one million elsewhere,
so it profited a decent amount would have profited
more but apparently there was a bunch of delays
in the filming and Cary Grant had it in his contract
that If it took more than a certain amount of
time that like it went into like some type of
penalty phase and he would get paid an extra
$5 ,000 a day for every day past whatever the
threshold was and They were at that before they
started filming So he basically made that like
every day of the filming and like I think they
said he made half a million dollars just from
this film, so I guess good on him for having
a a well -written contract but yeah it's interesting
because like yeah this is seven years after this
is his last movie like he's this 1959 he stops
making movies in 1966 so he made enough on this
one he didn't need to do it i guess well yeah
this he said he retired and i guess for his family
reasons and stuff like that yeah his daughter
was born yeah she was with also he felt i guess
there's a big thing about how he felt the golden
age of hollywood was over And you know, there's
a lot of reasons I just found that really fascinating
that didn't realize He stopped making movies
relatively young like they he had Didn't die
until the 80s So he's right as long time and
it sounded like there was some efforts from a
few people to get him involved in like I know
I read something that said Hitchcock was trying
to get him involved in something Yeah, there
was Shakespeare Hamlin or so I forget yeah, and
then and then like something else too There was
a couple other people that really wanted him
to be involved with stuff, but He stuck to his
word I guess since he made a made the statement
that he wasn't gonna come out of retirement Even
if he wanted to I guess he was too stubborn to
to do that at that point or whatever I'm not
sure interesting note to Eva Marie Saint is still
alive Really? Yeah, she's a hundred so she's
100 she turns 101 in July on July 4th this year,
so I thought that was bananas like you're watching
all these films and you know obviously this one's
a little bit later than some of the other ones
we watch because now we're up to you know 1959
and we started you know decades before that so
just kind of I guess forgot that we're moving
forward in time and that there was a possibility
that any of the people we were watching on the
screen were still alive. But Eva Marie Saint
is, so I find that fascinating. And I did not
catch the fact that apparently she appeared on
a couple of the different Academy Awards telecasts
within the last five or 10 years. I think within
the last five years, she... Either presented
something or some type of uh appearance I within
the last five ten years. I don't know exactly
what it is. But yeah, um, so yeah She has credits
like she was looking. I don't know There's a
radio play revival that she did again. I don't
know if it's like like old Not footage but like
old um, recordings that they're using but she's
the credit is as early as 2022. So And she did
uh, she did some voices on the legend of kora
from 2012 to 2014 for six episodes like that
Wow, what a career Yeah, and she was martin kent
at superman returns. I didn't remember that at
all. But Wow, yeah, it's crazy learning something
new every day Yeah, she's great and us too. I
we haven't mentioned her but she she's a huge
part of this movie and I want to do like her
character and just the different like her The
the trajectory of her character is crazy is quite
crazy, right? Because the first she just seems
like this person who's enamored with Carrie Grant
and she's a spy but then she's a double agent
and and but she nailed it like she was you bleed
I bleed every portion of it. I thought she was
charming and You know, you could understand why
Carrie Grant was so enamored with her and just
like grant. She was funny She was terrified when
she needs to be I thought she was quick. She
matched Cary Grant, which is not an easy thing
to do. So certainly deserves praise as well,
because, yeah, no, the reason why the movie works.
You know what? I agree with that 100 percent.
And another thing that I wanted to mention, you
know, we talked about all of the things like
the Hitchcockian themes to this film. It's crazy
that it has all of those things that we've pointed
out through the process of some of these other
films. Yet it's probably one of the only ones
that's not based off of anything. Which is almost
something we've seen in every single one. This
is not based off of a play This is not based
off of a short story. It's not based off of a
novel like the screenplay was written by a guy
that was working in conjunction with Hitchcock
and it's the seeds of this film are bananas because
it sounded like from what I read that they literally
whether it was Hitchcock's idea or Ernest layman's
idea like they want I think was Hitchcock's idea
that he wanted to have some type of film that
involved a chase across Mount Rushmore and Like
that's what they started with They wanted that
and then they built this whole movie around it
and then at some point they did come in to contact
with some type of Journalists or something who
had told him a story about you know, these fake
Agents that don't really exist that were being
used and then that kind of like well its way
into the the story so I guess it was a little
bit based on this story from the from the journalist,
but Yeah, it's like they wanted to do a sequence
with the Mount Rushmore and they wanted to do
a sequence with the, um, the United Nations or
something like that. Like they had a couple of
sequences in mind and then they want to just
build a fun film around it. And I know I read
one Hitchcock quote that said like, basically
he had just done Vertigo, which obviously had
a little bit more of a deeper tone and a more
serious sense to it. And it's. I think the quote
said something along the lines and I'm paraphrasing
here, but that he. wanted to just make a film
that was fun entertainment that didn't contain
as many of like the messages that he maybe was
trying for in other films like he just wanted
a fun romp of a film and i would say if that
was his goal he succeeded definitely like it
like i mentioned i felt like this if this was
a summer blockbuster before summer blockbusters
existed You know or a James Bond movie before
James Bond movies existed and I think you could
even say maybe there were deeper messages here
if you were to look hard enough just Like with
elements of the Cold War, but those yeah, like
we mentioned it wasn't even like it was going
deep on those it was just Just needed something
there. So it's I think with compared to something
like we're window where there's much more to
dissect Uh regarding like what it's saying. I
don't think this is necessarily like like you
said, he's not trying to say anything with it,
which is fine This is just a really enjoyable
film. That is, you know I think if you're gonna
watch your first hit cock movie I think this
is a good one to start with because oh, yeah
It's I think it would appeal to people that maybe
don't even love like enjoy classic movies as
much I think it's a good gateway gateway hitch
cock as they say It's very accessible for sure.
And the other thing that he was going for in
this film was like he wanted it to have like
a lot of different scenic things, a lot of different
like a lot of different places that they stopped
along the way. I think at one point they were
supposed to have a showdown in Alaska. I don't
think that made the final cut. And there was
another interesting thing. You know, Hitchcock,
I guess, has some grand ideas, but there's a
screenwriter that was talking about this and
basically they said that Hitchcock had the idea
of the hero being stranded in the middle of nowhere,
but suggested that the villains try to kill him
with a tornado. And layman was like, but like,
how are they going to work up a cycle? Like how
can they, how can we attribute a tornado to them?
And I guess that's what eventually led them to
the cyclone. Becoming the crop duster plane and
led to that sequence I mean, yeah, I think big
like no problem Then you know then they eventually
made that movie and it was sharknado He was just
way ahead of his time. Yeah, exactly Any other
thoughts trivia tidbits or things you haven't
been able to bring up about North by Northwest?
No, I think we covered everything I had yeah,
I think like I don't know. Like for me, this
is regardless of how my ranking shakes shakes
out when I go to rank Hitchcock. I don't know
if any film is going to be more fun than this
one. Like this this is Hitchcock having a whole
lot of fun and it definitely translates onto
the screen. So I just was not expecting that.
And I think it was not necessarily a breath of
fresh air because everything else has been good,
too. But it was just like a nice. change of pace
I guess in a way like it was nice to see like
just the comedy and just like Cary Grant so amazing
in this and and just like this let him just Go
like I guess he didn't really like the film and
he didn't like the script because he was probably
used to like serious stuff and like he thought
it wasn't gonna work but I don't know like he
seemed like he was just like the Hitchcock just
Unleashed him and let him do his thing and it
worked in spades for me. Well, he did vaudeville
He did something, you know get his girl Friday.
So he did comedy Before but yeah, maybe maybe
at this point, I don't know But I mean he liked
it enough at least to work it maybe just because
of the money He worked with uh, hitchcock again
after this at least. Yeah, that's true And apparently
like hitchcock had always wanted carrie grant
in this role for this film but they were discussing
that while hitchcock was filming vertigo and
I guess he had like Told jimmy stewart a bunch
about like what they were doing for this film
and whatever and jimmy stewart assumed that he
was going to get cast in it. And it took a while
for Hitchcock to realize that by having all these
conversations that he had led him on. So I guess
he waited until Jimmy Stewart was cast in another
film and then offered him this role, knowing
that he couldn't take it so that he would turn
it down and then he could give it to Cary Grant
without upsetting either person since he's had
both of them in like what, three or four movies
apiece. That's interesting too, but. Lot of a
lot of little tidbits about this this film that
are fun. So Next time we're gonna be going a
little bit of a different route because the next
one up on the docket is psycho Dan what's your
experience with psycho and are you looking forward
to going at it again here? This this is so this
is sad. So this is a first time watch for me
kind of Because I have watched the Gus Van Sant
psycho so I'm sorry I just it was bad when it
came out actually wasn't I see in theaters I
saw it like when it was on stars or something
like that and at the time I had no idea it was
like a shot for shot remake of the regular psycho
so I've never seen the original psycho so I'm
glad to do that. But I'm a little worried that
seeing the remake might ruin it. But I mean,
at this point, even before that, I knew Psycho
is one of those movies that so much in the public
conscience is not going to surprise me. But I
am interested in watching it, though, because
even like a movie like North by Northwest, which
I've seen before, there was a lot that I be watching
it. I was able to pick up on. So I'm excited
to see Psycho, the real psycho for the first
time. There we go. It'll be a first time watch
for me as well. Amanda's scene. bits and pieces
of it. So she or at least most of it, I don't
know if she's seen it all the way straight through
or at least not recently. So she's looking forward
to it. This is the one she's been she's actually
been looking forward to these last two, probably
the most psycho and birds. So she's definitely
going to have fun watching those alongside me.
So yeah, so psycho will be up next. Then we'll
finish with the birds and then we'll have a special
episode where we do some Hitchcock Awards and
things of that nature before we move on to the
next thing on our docket. So all right. That
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