80s Cartoon Villain Tournament: Semi-Finals

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Two Geek Topics Will Be Challenged The ultimate

battle will come to pass. One shall stand. One

shall fall. Welcome to GCR and Wars. This is

the semi -finals of the 80s cartoon villain tournament.

I am TF2 and Mike, one of your hosts. Joining

me is Steve Megatron. Hello. Hello. That's gonna

be one of those shows. Uh, TV's Mr. Kermit. Hi

-ho. Hello. I should say TV's Mr. Neil, and then

of course we have Mike the Birdman Dodd. I was

gonna do my Skeletor voice, but my vocal cords

hurt, so no. And of course, without any further

ado, Optimus Solo's going to tell us what has

been going on with the tournament so far. Yes,

I'm back after a one -week hiatus. Well, I mean,

we have gone. We started with 16. We're down

to the final four. So we would like to reveal

the results of the last two episodes, basically.

I know we already did the one, but we'll do them

both together again just to refresh everybody

as to what happened in the quarterfinal matchups.

In the first quarterfinal matchup we had Skeletor

versus King Zarkhan and Steve. In the final tally,

Skeletor has slam dunked this battle with a score

of 34 to 8. I was a little surprised that it

was that much of a landslide but 34 to 8 is a

very commanding win for mr skeletor anybody thought

last thoughts on that matchup skeletor kings

arkhan and the results there mike blanchard or

me neither one yeah yeah which one are you talking

to honestly i think skeletor won this simply

based on pop popularity Yeah, he's more well

-known King's are caught. I literally had to

ask Blanchard like who the fuck is that? Is apparently

your dumb Canadian ass never watched Voltron

I see I can't remember the last time I actually

watched Volta although I just found out it came

to Netflix Voltron Lion Force on Netflix is on

Netflix the it's not a current series it's no

longer in production, but the the latest new

series Voltron classic Lion Force was on there

for a while and then I guess Netflix Netflix

lost its deal or whatever. It might be on Canadian

Netflix, but I'm not sure. I only watch the American

because yours is way fucking better. I know.

Everything's better in America. Well, I will

say this. You guys get more TV series, but we

get more movies, which is weird. Yeah. But anyway,

moving on, moving on. On the same side of the

bracket, the other quarterfinal matchup saw Venger

from Dungeons and Dragons face off against Cobra

Commander from G .I. Joe, and Steve, what was

the final tally on that matchup? Well, another

popularity contest win on this side because Cobra

Commander stomped Venger's ass with a score of

31 to 12. 31 to 12 12 is respectable. I guess

for a loser That's one of the highest amount

of vote totals we've had for one of the losing

sides I was I know I said it for the other matchup

But this was really one that I was surprised

wasn't a little bit closer I think venger had

a lot of things going for him in this battle

I know Cobra commanders from GI Joe and he's

the more popular more well -known one But I'm

really kind of shocked that venger didn't fare

a little bit better with with the votes Well,

well, well, do you have to wonder if maybe the

new movie kind of played into this too? That's

just because of the timing Yeah, that's a good

point I just think venger with his size with

this flying ability and his magic ability would

have some things that you could do to Cobra commander

Bob Blanchard What do you think about that one?

Venger is scarier than Cobra commander by by

you know, no comparison there. I mean but but

in a one -on -one Battle even counting his flying

ability. All's Cobra commander is gonna do is

just shove a rocket launcher up his ass exactly

you've got magic spells i've got an uzi what

are you gonna do yeah gastro pull the trigger

or or or this two words his tank done yes any

thoughts on that one uh i think that's criminal

avenger boss but i I'm just looking at the way

this is going. I see who the two finals are gonna

be. I'm not gonna give it away just yet, but

for this match right now, I can't believe Cobra

Commander won. I'm at least surprised that it

wasn't closer just because of the fact that it's

mystical magic against science, and it's kind

of a toss -up in there. I mean, but for sheer

fear factor, I think Venger would have destroyed

him, but... but I definitely see the popularity

popping out in this one again. Yeah and on the

other side of the bracket we had our first quarterfinal

matchup on that side which was unfair to say

the least. Mumrah from Thundercats against Miles

Mayhem from Masque and Steve what was the brutal

number total on this one? I think this was the

biggest landslide we've got in the entire tournament.

Mumrah smoked his ass. With 37 to 5. I don't

know who could say 5 would destroy Mumra, because

Mumra's like the eternal evil bastard. That's

one that I need to see some explanations. Besides,

we did have the argument about the mustache.

Yeah, the mustache could trump him. He could

get scared. It's the hair! It's the hair! Well,

I'm actually surprised he didn't get more votes,

and here's why. Because this is very similar

to Cobra Commander and that other guy. Magic

versus technology. And you look at the force

as Miles Mayhem commands. Now, we're talking

one -on -one, I guess. And in the end, it's a

fat guy with a mustache versus Mom Ready Ever

Living, so... Yeah, like what are you gonna do

I can throw potatoes at you or something Miles

mayhem would lose no matter what because even

if he did have a powerful weapon he would drop

it And if anybody doesn't know what I'm talking

about just watch one episode of mask and you'll

see that all important things get dropped And

then the other final quarter, final matchup that's

not mouthful, on that side of the bracket was

Megatron from Transformers against Shredder from

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Now this one, I

guess you kind of have to throw out the popularity

argument because I'm pretty sure that both of

these characters are just about equally as popular

amongst Keeks and fans everywhere. Steve, what

were the numbers for Megatron and Shredder? Well,

being that they're both 80s icons, I'm kind of

shocked that they were not as close as they should

have been. just for sheer ruthlessness even though

plans didn't quite work out we have Megatron

with 38 to the shredder at 10 I think this one

came down to being competent I think it came

down to the competency I think it also came down

to the fact you have a fusion cannon and a giant

-ass foot I think I think one thing that keeps

Megatron kind of an edge against a lot of these

combatants is just sheer size and uh and that

he's made of metal and right and the fusion cannon

yeah and the fusion cannon boom and the thing

was like i said last episode you know you look

at humans versus robots from cybertron robots

from cybertron are at least three or four building

stories tall and they can hold a human in their

hand So that's one of the reasons why I think

Megatron is gonna be Going a little further.

Oh, we'll see Megatron's brutality because the

shredder always threatens to kill the turtles

and never does ever Whereas Megatron is like

hi. I've blown away five or six of your buddies

and I'm coming for you Well, it's like the difference

between turtles forever where he says that's

invented the tickle man You know machine and

then cranks like yeah, that's the world And then

you have you know the shredder and in or not

the shredder you have Megatron in the transformers

the movie is saying such heroic nonsense And

you know blowing guys away point -blank in the

head with a fusion cannon, so That's true. So

our final four matchup we have Four different

cartoons that are very well known represented

here. We have He -Man, G .I. Joe, Thundercats,

and Transformers into the final four with Skeletor,

Cobra Commander, Mumrah, and Megatron. Honestly,

I could have seen this coming a mile away just

because they're the most well known out of all

of these represented franchises. To me, I mean...

I didn't think realistically that Venger would

get the votes, but I thought that there was,

you know, if you looked at it from a scenario

standpoint and just like broke down the combatants,

I thought Venger would have had a shot to beat

Cobra Commander. And I think one of the biggest

upsets that we've seen in the bracket actually

was Skeletor beating Hordak. Yeah, that was...

Well, I think the problem there was you had two

He -Man villains against each other. If you had

Hordak versus say Big Boss, maybe... you know

what i'm saying because the because i'm kind

of looking at this bracket i was thinking huh

there's a lot of big franchises represented here

but the matchups are a little weird because if

you look at megatron and sidekill there was no

fucking way cycle right well i mean the way that

the bracket was put up and we had our two robots

going against each other on that side um you

know obviously he man and she or have a connection

whereas hunter cats and silverhawks had a connection

we have the two humans going against each other

the two the two guys with mask or half things

over their faces going together and then the

with Blackstar with Overlord and venture kind

of the spiky head guys against each other. So

I mean, we tried to match them up there based

on some some similarities. But I just I just

honestly could if I was going to see one of these

guys not making it, it would have been probably

skeletal if he would have got beaten that first

round against Hordak. Once either one of those

guys passed into the quarters, I think it was

a smooth sailing to the semis. And then of course,

the one that we all most of these gone how we

just said they would go outside of Vengeance

Cobra Commander which we've already talked about.

The only other one that did not go how we thought

it would go was Monstar and Mumrah. Yeah, Monstar

and Mumrah and Skeletor and Hordak are the only

one out of the entire tournament that did not

because we all thought it was gonna be Hordak.

And we all thought it was gonna be Monstar. Really?

Yeah. Wow. Hordak made Skeletor his bitch in

different, you know... Parts of that franchise's

history. He was the master where a Skeletor was

the the whiny bitch apprentice So Hordak had

that going for him and they like we all we all

voted for monstar You know, he did not have the

weaknesses that we felt momora had even though

some of those kind of got explained on the forum

or on the GCR and page a little bit as far as

later on in the series how the reflection didn't

weaken momora But yeah, I mean I don't think

anyone can Can say that they're shocked that

we have these four into the final four Anybody

have any thoughts before we start getting into

these battles? I would say look at this magic

versus tech Yep, that's gonna be a theme here

today. Yeah, and I think it's it's gonna come

down to Determination competency and how close

they got to beating their respective heroes and

uh... you know breaking it down into what their

actual skill set is and and what their weaknesses

are if if they have any and i'm how they'd match

up against their particular upon and i mean this

is not just you know them singing alone as how

would they match up against this particular point

uh... which which could be uh... you know determinate

factor uh... michael neal or steven if that's

before you get into this uh... i'm just kind

of Wondering who's gonna make it out alive out

of these eighties I posted on the Posted on the

comments that I was just hoping that I was still

friends with some of you after today's record

I really have no idea who's gonna be going for

who but I mean I have some strong opinions on

a couple of them and I don't know if everyone's

gonna like them, but alright One thing before

we break I do want to let the listeners know

We are only like between GCRN and our friends.

We're probably ten votes And most of the quarterfinal

rounds got anywhere from 30 to 40 votes. So...

Well, we had 60 or 70 votes, or 80 votes in the

round two. Right, right, exactly. But what I'm

saying is that the five of us here tonight that

are giving our opinions on why we think what

person would win what battle, it isn't just,

oh, this is the GCRN's thing. It's rigged. It's

not rigged. Whoever votes for whoever they feel

would win. That's... I'm just trying to avoid

backlash from anybody and I didn't vote at all.

So I've got no I'm just going purely by what

I know you lazy dumbass Alright, so we're gonna

hear from the first two combatants Your mistake

will cost you dearly, old enemy! Alright, starting

on the left side of the bracket today in our

semi -final matchup. As you just heard, we have

Skeletor against Cobra Commander in what is an

epic battle. Like, this is one of the best matchups

you could ever hope for in 80's villain. Like,

this is just epic. Break it down a little bit.

Skeletor beat Hordak in the first round. from

She -Ra and then beat King Zarkon from Voltron

to get here to the semis and Cobra Commander

took out Doc Terror in his first battle and then

Venger from Dungeons and Dragons to get here.

So that is the path that they took to get to

this point and now we have them facing off against

each other as He -Man against G .I. Joe. the

Birdman brought up before. This is a theme for

today and it's been a theme in a couple other

battles previously but big time today. It's all

about sword and sorcery and mystical magical

powers against sheer force or you know physical

guns etc. That's what we're going to see in this.

So let's start with Steve here. What do you think

about this matchup? Who has an advantage? What

are the pros and cons of both of the combatants

here with Skeletor against Cobra Commander? Well,

first of all, you have two sniveling, cowering

fools with lack of thought in their plans. And

they have the lackeys that actually kind of have

a clue of what's going on, but aren't really

allowed to do anything because they had Hancho's

telling them, no, we must do it my way, even

though it's freaking wrong. But and they both

sound pretty similar. Neither one you can see

their real face I Don't know it's kind of a hard

one because you again, it's it's magic against

Science and at the same time this magic is I

think stronger than the previous one that Cobra

commander had to go against So it's kind of kind

of a toss -up I'm gonna wait to weigh in on my

final decision on that. I think as I think a

lot of us will throughout these two battles here

as we try to hear each other's opinions my thought

here is this and You know, I don't have a favorite

either way. I love both of these characters and

I love both of the franchises The way I trying

to break it down here is how can each one of

them possibly win in a one -on -one battle now

for Cobra commander I See his only way of winning

is somehow Oh yeah, he's a warrior He's no he

man, of course, but he but he is a strong so

if it came down to just like a wrestling match

or a physical Like, you know, they're rolling

around or you know Coming blow to blow like a

boxer, you know Skeletor wins Skeletor also has

his magic that he can use he can come up with

different things. He can transport himself He

could you know do different stuff with his staff

as you know as well So, I mean he has multiple

ways where I think he can win this battle. Whereas

Cobra commander has he can't win physically Like

any type of wrestling fighting match so he has

to hope that something he has a weapon or something

is going to Be effective against Skeletor So,

I don't know I so I think Skeletor has more ways

he could win I'm not saying he does win but I'm

saying he has more ways more options to use at

his disposal to win this and He as far as the

series go you you saw Skeletor Taking action

more than you see Cobra commander. I think You

know Cobra commander a lot of time is leading

the forces or coming up with a plan or doing

this or that Maybe shooting from afar whereas

Skeletor is is a lot more involved in battles

throughout the series as himself in and Go ahead

and Cobra commander is also the idiot that created

Sir Pentor who ended up taking command of Cobra

from him That's true, and he has the faceplate

so he could you know reflect the the magic back

at Skeletor, but he'd have to get hit in the

face. Yeah, Neil, what are your thoughts on this

one? What a great strategy. Please hit me in

the face. In the face. Now, listeners, you see

what you brought here. You've got aside from

the military commander and I'm using bigger quotes,

military commander and the other guy being a

sorcerer. These guys are basically the same character.

They're both incompetent boobs who came from

a much, much cooler bad guy. For Skeletor, he

had Hordak, and Cobra Commander, of course, had

Galobulus, who... Actually, considering Galobulus

is one adventure, I'd like to forget about him.

Never mind what I was just saying. Come on, he

was voiced by the Penguin! Yeah, he was, but

his plan was to reign space spores. Anyway...

But he did defeat Unicron. True. But just looking

at these two guys, they both fail regularly.

It's like whichever one is going to fail first

is going to give the other guy the win. Although

I must say that on an earlier episode I said

that Skeletor got one advantage over most of

these other villains in that he... took down

Horde Prime. I'm going to have to retract that

because when that happened that was during Skeletor's

face turn and since this is a villains tournament

that doesn't count. So the one time Skeletor

actually did something competent he was technically

a good guy. If you had to break down the actual

plans that they came up with, yes they failed

most of the time, Skeletor did come up with some

clever Clever ways to try to beat he man. I mean

he you know, basically transported him to another

dimension at one point He would you know clone

himself or you know do the disguise himself as

somebody else He had multiple ways that he actually

used intelligence. Yeah, they all fail But Cobra

commander it seems like the smarter ideas or

the more clever plots that came along in that

series We're coming from other people that is

coming from Zartan or it was coming from Destro

So it seems like Cobra Commander has better staff

and yes that might give him the edge and so that's

where I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with Cobra Commander

unless you take the staff away and then who has

better ideas just on their own if it's just mano

-a -mano You know, I think Skeletor might come

up with a clever way or to be I don't even know

if he needs a clever way to be Cobra Commander

actually back on his front door You could trip

over his own two feet and beat Cobra Commander.

You could just knock on his front door and disguise

himself as something Cobra's gonna fall for and

then boom. Traveling salesman. Just leave a gift

with a bow on it and the Cobra Commander will

fall for it. Blanchard. No, I don't think so.

The thing with Skeletor and I... Not that I want

to, you know, correct Kevin, but it's one of

those things where His whole body is not skull

and bones, it's just his face. His face got melted

off. Right. The rest of his body is... Built.

You know, the rest of his body, it's just like

he was a, you know, a part of the Blue Man group,

honestly. You know, um... When Smurfs lose their

faces. Shit. Skull Smurfs, the new series. I'd

watch that shit to heartbeats. Skeletor going,

la la la la. I honestly don't know who would

win out of the two if they're just fighting amongst

each other because as everyone's already said

the Skeletor is more physical he's you know He

fights the most powerful man in the universe

and Cobra barely fights Joe. I mean, if it was

who was a better commander or if it was who would

win with their lackeys or with their army or

with their troops, it would probably be Cobra.

Right, but if it's one -on -one, it's Skeletor.

I'm leaning that way. Well, because look at it

this way, because, okay, like, you know, you

guys are saying, Cobra Commander would have to

shoot him. Well or use some other weapon of his

you know, whatever, you know, right But yeah,

but this is what I'm saying like Cobra commander

would have to use some sort of weapon to inflict

damage on Skeletor and even with the 80s thing

of oh, hey, I'm gonna shoot a laser right over

at the top of your head It doesn't actually hit

you even with that whole animation stigma I honestly

don't think shooting Skeletor will do anything

to him. Well, if you shoot at him, he can just

shoot like a ray or a bolt out of his staff and

it will hit the bolt. Yeah. I mean, he did that

multiple times when other people shot stuff at

him in the series. Right, exactly. Birdman, what

do you think? Well, I'm kind of looking at it,

and I'm going to give this fight to Cobra Commander.

And here's why. Just because you're a warrior

doesn't mean you're a tactician. And to command

that big of a military force, such as Cobra,

it requires certain skills, a certain charisma,

a certain tactical mind. Skeletor's idea of tactical

command is, get him! Whereas Cobra Commander,

you look at all the schemes Cobra's pulled off,

yeah, they're inevitably thwarted by Joes, but

initially they work. Skeletor doesn't have such

a good successor. Like, big deal, I've kidnapped

the sorceress. Who gives a shit? But you look

at Cobra, some of their plans have actually been

pulled off. Mind you, they're corrected by the

next episode. But still, they're able to affect

things on a global scale. So I'm thinking, if

Cobra Commander and Skeletor were to go one -on

-one, Skeletor will have, oh, not Skeletor, Cobra

Commander will have superior intelligence about...

Skeletor, because he'll have done some kind of

recon. And because I'm presuming they get their

weapons, because Skeletor has his staff and shit,

it would not surprise me if Cobra Commander were

to sit at a distance, like he's known to do,

and hit him with a sniper rifle. Because you

think about it, Skeletor is used to, I'm going

to combat you on the battlefield. Cobra Commander

is a sneaky motherfucker. that's true and and

he's just he's gonna use tactics to win the day

brute force is not his not his style because

if you think about it when you look at all the

cool shit cobra has if they were to throw everything

at gi joe at once they could reasonably stand

a chance to win So you gotta think he's a pretty

smart guy, he's tactical, he's sneaky, and it

wouldn't surprise me if he would do quote -unquote

surrender to Skeletor and then hit him with a

shotgun. That's true. We have the evil warrior

against the terrorist. Exactly. I mean, that's

how you gotta look at this. I mean, you've got

one guy who's a straight up, I'm fighting, not

exactly honorably, but, you know, he's willing

to fight you face to face. Cobra Commander has

no qualms about blowing shit up. Yeah. That's

his favorite thing to do. Exactly. So he has

to rely on his cunning, his sneakiness, his backhandedness.

Wait a second, this is a villain tournament,

isn't it? Yeah. Well, I mean, those are some

good points in favor of Cobra Commander giving

him some ways to win, because I was going to

say, you know, otherwise I don't see him winning

just based on, you know, I have to shoot you

or something, but if he comes up with some type

of trap or if he tricks him, he goes from a distance,

then he does have some options there. I'm still

not sure where I'm going with this one. Anybody

else have their thoughts, final thoughts that

people have? Even with trapping Skeletor? The

one example I can use and it was so funny He

man trapped him in a zero G bubble But Skeletor

was on a sky sled and he still flew away inside

the bubble so even trade like unless Cobra commander

got Skeletor in the jungle on the battlefield

and like You know had some sort of hidden trap

that sent Skeletor miles underground There's

no way in hell Cobra commander is gonna be able

to trap skeletal if you were to if you were to

just take these two combatants and you went to

like an arena like a gladiatorial arena like

back in the day and You just drop them both into

the arena. I Think Cobra commander's in trouble.

Yeah Well, if you take away weapons and you take

away magic and it's just a brute -force battle

Yeah, so even if you gave them their weapons,

but had they basically both being transported

into a barren landscape that has nothing to hide,

nothing to, you know, they're just out in the

open. Like Dragon Ball Z. And they have their

staff, they have their gun or whatever. They

have all their weapons. Cobra Commander is still

in trouble. Well, you see, another thing I think

that may get Cobra Commander the advantage is

Cobra Commander just tends to act, whereas Skeletor

tends to monologue. Okay, I will give you that

that's And Cobra commander could just get tired

of them and say I'm tired of this shit red laser

What if they both what if they both just tried

to whine and cry until the other one like just

submitted? Cuz they both are very good whiners

Neil any other thoughts No I've just kind of,

I don't know, I admit it's gonna be kind of a

close one, but I still gotta go with Cobra Commander.

He's sneaky, he's got resources. Skeletor, if

you gave him resources, I don't know if he'd

know what to do with it. I think this should,

if I was to predict or bet, this I would think

would be the closest battle of the entire tournament

so far. I think so too. Oh yeah, most definitely.

Let's go around the table then, this virtual

table that we're sitting at, and give our votes,

starting with Blanchard. I'm going with Skeletor.

Neil? Cobra Commander. Birdman? Cobra Commander.

Steve? In light of new evidence and everything

else, Cobra Commander. I'm still going with Skeletor.

But I can see why people would vote Cobra Commander.

I wouldn't be upset either way. I can see both

of them being able to pull this off. I'm still

shocked that Cobra Commander is here. I'm still

shocked that both of them are here in a way,

but I'm totally not in another way. All right,

let's let's hear from my next group. Enjoy your

power while it lasts! I'll crush you with my

bare hands! All right, as you just heard, our

other semi -final matchup is a battle of the

two M's here, Mumrah and Megatron. We have Thundercats

against Transformers, which we'll start with

T. Okay, this is starting to get weird. Mumra's

path to the semis was through moan star and through

miles mayhem which both start with them as well

I don't know where I'm going with all this Megatron's

path here was through cycle and through shredder

So that is how they got where they are and again,

we have magic and mystical power against sheer

brute force Now I just want to say one thing

to me It would have been super interesting to

see moan star versus Megatron. That would be

fucking cool. Yeah Metal is metal because that

is the the closest out of our 16 people Moan

star is the closest person that can match the

size and the armor that Megatron had That being

said Mumra beat moan star so he's almost already

gone against someone with the same traits as

Megatron. I know that there's a lot of Transformers

fans amongst us and a lot of Megatron fans amongst

us and I know he has a fusion cannon and I know

he's huge and I know he's armor you know plated

and everything like that. The one thing I'm sorry

to catch up the one thing I do have to point

out here is if somehow stupidly Megatron ever

transformed Mumra would just pick him up and

throw him away No, seriously. Okay, if you look

at g1 you could just trap him in a box Exactly.

But if you look at G1, you look at G1 Megatron

in that series, every time he's in his gun mode,

unless Starscream or Soundwave or whoever is

firing him, every time I've seen him in his gun

mode, it is to disguise himself. It is to be

in a gun case or a guitar case or whatever. Every

time I've seen him in gun mode, when people are

not firing him, he's a gun just laying around.

But can he fire once before he drops to the ground?

According to the the opening theme song that

played during season one. Yes, because he did

that And he did it in the comics too. So there's

something to think about The the thing the thing

I wanted to point out though about mumra It would

have been mumra or moan star both of them in

The right form is every bit as big as Megatron

Yeah So as mom or the ever -living his his superior

form he can compete size -wise with Megatron

And he does have more powerful magic than probably

any Character in this tournament. Yeah, I would

say that's probably pretty true He's been around

forever so he knows a thing or two We pointed

out before in the opening around his supposed

weaknesses and some of those we discovered may

not be weaknesses if we're taking him in his

later on in the series. Which I think you would

have to take him at his best point in the entire

series. We're not taking comic versions of these

characters, we're not taking the 2011 series

of Thundercats, we're not taking... Transformers

prime or anything. These are the 80s versions

of themselves in the cartoon. So you're taking

the best version of that cartoon character And

putting up against each other Mike. What were

you gonna say? I was gonna say that I Remember

in I think it was an accident whenever the Thundercats

landed on third earth and they came up against

Mumra He had said that he had been around for

thousands of years Megatron the Decepticons and

the Autobots have been around for four million

years so Megatron's been around a lot longer

but as you said Mumra has more powerful magic

so Mumra has been around for thousands of years

as his powerful being self right Megatron was

not always the powerful character that we know

him Those four million those four million years

you just referenced for the was during the time

that he was dormant and Dead inside of a volcano

Yeah, and then before that it was you know for

a brief period He was who he was but before that

you know it's you know obviously well We can't

we can't reference stuff from later continuity,

so I won't go there You know I don't know mumra

If anyone can beat Megatron I Would have said

it was one star mumra I mean, I'm not trying

to predict what's gonna happen in the next round

if Megatron was to get there, but once again,

it's almost like the same scenario we were just

talking about. Megatron has to rely on being

able to either get his hands on Mammarra, being

able to shoot him with his fusion cannon or one

of his weapons, or he doesn't, I mean, how else

does he beat Mammarra? Brutality. That's what's

gonna win him on this because Mammarra's got

one distinct disadvantage. Do you know what that

is? He's squishy. And what I mean by that is,

Mumra, when you watch him fight in the cartoon,

he's very physical. He's willing to get up there

and mix it up. Megatron just has to lay one solid

punch on him, and he's going to punch right through

the back of Mumra's coconut. Not in his super

-sized version. I'm pretty sure I've seen him

mix it up. No, I'm saying he's not as I don't

see him as as squishy as he is But I'm saying

Megatron as a huge giant Cybertronian gladiator

robot and even if he's not as squishy he puts

that fusion cannon into Mumra's gut and Of course

such heroic nonsense. Yeah, boom He is blowing

straight through Nobody's a fan of the magical

mystical powers in this tournament. Those with

magic are not faring well. However, though, Mumra

is pretty smart. He does rely on a lot of tricks

and guile. So this is where magic may actually

play a factor. If he can, say, fuse Megatron's

legs to the ground or something like that, or

drain him of power or something like hell, he

could blind him. He's got magic. Just make it

suddenly dark and Megatron can't see. Well, and

the other thing is, not only could he do that,

he could, you know, do something to mess with

Megatron's optics, whatever, or trap him or stall

him for a minute, but then he can basically disappear

and Megatron would not even know where he is

and he could come, you know, he could be a bat

flying by, he could be a fly, he could be a flower

somewhere, and Megatron wouldn't even know it.

And then as soon as Megatron goes by, he can

form into his regular self and have the upper

hand. I mean, he is a master of disguise, and

throughout the Thundercats series, he transformed

into a lot of different things. Well, I actually

just had this thought as an old school D &D player.

There's one type of sorcerer who has a spell,

or I think it's available to all character classes.

And you'll see where I'm going with this in just

a minute. And it's called Polymorph. You may

know it as Transmutate. What's Megatron made

out of? Metal, right? Metal to mud, you're dead.

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for the easy win or is he gonna drag it out?

Here's another thing to think of and I'm gonna

piss somebody off here. If you go to the series,

if you watch Thundercats from episode one all

the way through the entire series, how many times

does Mumrah quote -unquote die and yet he comes

back? Yeah, that's another thing to consider

too. He cannot be killed. He is they try to kill

him They try to do all kinds of stuff and he

is always coming back I do believe and I know

you're gonna argue with me a couple of you, but

Megatron did die at one point And he did not

come back I would call him dead. I'd call him

mortally wounded, but he was Yeah, I mean they're

essentially the same damn guy Sorry I'm not one

that adheres to that theory Galvatron is a separate

character No, he's not no because he's got the

memories of Megatron. Yeah those memories But

he is they even taught they there is even even

lines that support that they are different characters

There are lines that also support that they're

the same character throughout throughout the

entire movie. He's referencing stuff that Megatron

No, no, I'm talking about in the series itself

We're not exactly looking at the series with

the strongest continuity here Anyways, I'm just

saying Megatron has been reading I don't know.

I'm still a lot of me still says I should vote

for Megatron I'm just trying to trying to break

this down here. Steve. What are your thoughts?

I know you're a humongous Megatron fan It depends

on the Megatron, but I still like the name nonetheless.

I do agree with some of that stuff, but at the

same time, you still have Fusion Cannon, you

still have Giant Robot Squish. I mean, it's kind

of hard to pit the magic against. I mean, I know

both of them are pretty much hard to kill. If

anything But I Don't know I I still I still think

Megatron with a one -place shot. I mean he could

I Mean he can create a freaking black hole with

his fusion cannon. I mean Yeah, but I mean it

all it would take is Megatron just fire once

it basically it would send him out it boils down

to who gets the smart first shot It depends on

who wants to monologue first, or who wants to

sit there and bullshit, and who wants to actually

just take action. Megatron is known for giving

a few too many monologues or lines instead of

just shooting and killing whoever he has in his

sights. And the other thing is, make sure he

doesn't get drunk on Energon, because then he'll

just be shooting wildly all over the place. Well,

let's look at this. Who's smarter? whose plans

were more successful based on their kind of ratio.

I mean, Megatron always involved energy. He'd

always steal a little bit. And it wasn't until

the movie that he became competent. When you

really think about it, Mumra. Yeah, I mean, Mumra

does have that mystical insight, something Megatron

doesn't have, because that's something we're

going to get metaphysical for just a minute.

He has the ancient spirits of evil. Yeah, so

he maybe has an advantage innately built in with

allies that technically it is the same character,

but he's still drawing upon that knowledge of

the ancients. Megatron is drawing upon gladiatorial

combat on Cybertron plus his own brutal nature,

but I think Mumra's smarter. But Megatron may

be more brutal. Megatron has the bigger ego.

Yeah. He has the need to make it a spectacle.

He has the need to, you know, not just take the

shot when he has it, but, you know, to smile

at the camera and say something witty, to rub

it in the other person's face, to do all these

different things that, if done at the inopportune

time, someone like Mumra could take advantage

of. Exactly. Like I said, Megatron likes to brag.

And if Mumra, like I said, if he, depending on

what spells he has available, because I really

wish we could have gone over analysis and compiled

Mumra's spell book. Because I'm pretty sure there's

going to be one... one spell where he could turn

metal into rust or something like that. Hell,

that's another weakness. Megatron or Galvatron,

quote unquote, got attacked by that rust monster

at the end of season three, right? So in theory,

Megatron would have the same weakness, which

means he is vulnerable to normal elements when

you think about it. But Megatron, it was more

so Megatron because it was the episode Cosmic

Rust in season two. I just want to like. I am

one of the biggest Megatron fans in the world.

Like I love Megatron. He's one of my favorite

villains in all generations. I'm just like, there

are ways to beat Megatron, whether it be the

rust or whether it be how he gets, you know,

for lack of a better term, beaten in the movie.

Mamma never gets defeated. Yeah, not there's

always there's always a way to defeat them. It's

just that they make it I know I'm just saying

like I've never seen mom or like he always Finds

a way back. He is the ever -living he he never

stays dead. Yeah, he is like an undead Character

whereas I'm seeing it where a robot a machine

can be broken down It can be turned off can be

in a volcano for millions of years You know,

there is an on -off switch, so to say, whereas

Mumra is the ever -living. I mean, I'm still

somewhat leaning towards Megatron. I don't want

it to make it seem like I'm not. But, Mumra,

can he be beaten? Even if you do shoot him or

land something, does that beat Mumra? He's the

ever -living. You're gonna have to use magic.

It's the only way to keep him dead. But Megatron's

been alive for millions and millions of years.

But he can still die. Because technically theoretically

yeah theoretically well his spark can be extinguished

which means he's dead and that's a Technological

thing I guess cook kind of sort of right, but

technically sparks didn't exist back then they

could just put it in a chip and fix them Okay,

fair enough fair enough But I'm thinking but

that still relies on outside help mumra will

just regenerate He'll be back. It may not be

now. Maybe ten thousand years from now, but he'll

be back Megatron, the right shot to the head,

and he's dead. Yeah, I mean, that was kind of

my point. Autobots or Decepticons, regardless

of who it is, regardless of if it's Megatron,

Optimus Prime, or anybody, a Transformer can

be killed. Can be destroyed, can be offline forever.

Whatever you consider Mumra, I don't know what

he actually is, but can his kind be killed? Well,

I think I would equate mumra to a primal force

where You sort of have that argument where where

there's good there must be evil You kind of is

mumra a cosmic force at least on thundera or

the third earth Well, whatever the fuck it is.

Um, I forget like is he a primal source of nature?

Can you ever truly kill him? I don't know Neil,

we haven't let you talk too much on this one

yet. What do you think on these two guys? Well,

what I was thinking about is I know he's Mumra

the ever -living, but if we were to actually

consider the fact that he cannot be killed, then

we might as well just cancel the tournament and

hand the finale to Mumra. I just thought that

earlier actually. Yeah, so I have to kind of

sidestep that and say, well, okay, you may not

be able to be killed, but certainly he can be

defeated in a battle, and that's where I'm gonna

give Megatron some points here. I'm gonna have

to go back to the fact that Mumrah is squishy.

It depends on how fast Mumrah is. I think Megatron's

pretty quick. Remember, he's got the fusion cannon,

he's got the Energy Star mace, he's got the chrome

-plated mullet. This guy is like badass. He can

he can without some spells but actually I was

looking at some of his some of his spells earlier.

He's got like He can shapeshift he can God actually,

I don't remember everything he could do transport

Yeah, he could transport but it can but let's

think about where this battle could take place

What if what if Megatron? Grabbed him and then

blast it off in the space. What would mom Ra

do then does mom Ra need air? That's true Or

Megatron could just take him underwater and drown

his ass. He's lucky that Megatron has the ability

to, I guess, fly, for lack of a better term,

as a Decepticon, because otherwise his alt form

gives him no mobility. Yeah, exactly. That's

the problem right there, and that's where Megatron's

ultimate weakness is. Because as I said before,

even if he is able to get one shot off, like

Dodd said... As soon as he transforms, he's just

a gun laying on the ground. But as soon as Megatron

blows away Mumra, then he's just an energy force

waiting to reestablish a body. Yeah. This is

one of those battles that should be close and

it's not going to be. Yeah, I mean, we all pretty

much know where this is going to go, which is

unfortunate. Now maybe we picked a different

Megatron Even if we pick a different Megatron

they would all beat To kind of go back to Neil's

comment we might as well end the tournament now

doesn't Cobra commander have access to magic

through Cobra like aren't there some mystical

guys on like his side Other than Cobra law which

most people would like to swear off like it never

existed It's like cuz you might have access to

some mystical knowledge, but I'm just I'm just

it would have been interesting to see Skeletor

versus mom rock cuz they're both the magical

guys or Cobra versus Megatron I mean, I'm not

really cuz good lord. Oh my god Well Megatron

still have a dreamwave comics for that Well,

even in the even in the classic Marvel g2 comic

where Megatron's badly damaged from the g1 and

tricks Cobra Commander with you know Cybertronian

technology that had a virus in it that was unusable

but got Cobra to build him a new body I mean

it's just that kind of stupidity I mean Megatron

still outsmarted hmm well I mean any any other

thoughts on this battle before we go around and

give our votes anybody have another angle that

we haven't talked about Or something they want

to bring up. No, I don't think so. All right,

then Blanchard. What is your vote on this one

Mumra or Megatron? I Know I know this is a cop

-out because I know people have pointed out all

the reflection thing doesn't happen at the later

season but honestly if Megatron was standing

right in front of Mumra And he saw his reflection

and he shriveled back to the old mummy. All Megatron

has to do is just fusion cannon to the face,

so I picked Megatron. Same thing. I mean, once

that happens, then what's Mammarra gonna do?

He's gonna stand there at Megatron's feet and

go, it's wrong to kill, and you don't have to

be a gun. And then Megatron would just blow him

away with the fusion cannon. Of course, Mammarra

would come back, but he would already have gotten

the win by then. Birdman I'm actually going mumra

once again if he casts the right spell like I

said Transmutate metal to mud Megatron is fucked

Yeah, I I too am going with mumra on this one.

I Don't know I just think he has more options

on on how he can win and I think he's a smarter

opponent and I think what ultimately happens

is Megatron has the battle one and He makes his

pride gets in the way and mumra Just crushes

him. So I think it's more of a Megatron air that

allows a mumrod to take advantage Steve. What

do you think? I'm voting Megatron just because

He's Megatron What a good reason Well, and all

the other reasons I listed before so So we're

kind of split on both battles. We've had people

sign on each of them. So who will it be? Will

it be Skeletor versus Megatron? Will it be Skeletor

versus Mumrah? Or will Cobra Commander come in

and fight one of those guys? What are your thoughts

going into the vote? And before we talk next

week on the finale, Mr. Birdman. I'm thinking

in the finale, it's going to be I think it's

probably going to be Cobra Commander versus Megatron.

That's what I think it's going to be, because

if you look at it, there's a lot of really cool

history that's been established via the comic

book. So we can actually see it if we wanted

to reference something. But I know we're going

off the cartoons and stuff. But ultimately, I

really wish it would be Skeletor versus Mammar.

Who knows? That would be really upsetting. Because

people would not see that shit coming. I just

think to me Megatron versus Cobra commander gives

us a lopsided finale Whereas any other matchup

to me is more even but maybe I'm just not giving

Cobra commander his just dues TFG one. What do

you think about the potential finale? I did or

what do you how do you want people to vote or

whatever you want to? Well, I think the problem

is if it's Megatron and Cobra Commander in the

finale people are gonna be like oh I saw that

coming from the very first episode you guys are

so Bias blah blah blah blah blah like I said

before it's not just uh... saying this is the

winner it's whoever votes on the website the

cast radio dot com you know there's a little

bit close but it's one of those things where

honestly i'll i really want to say i will i would

love to see you know i i i know this probably

will never happen animation but i would love

to see do you want megatron versus skeletor that

would be awesome you know how there's those campaigns

out there that are like anti -american i know

that like it's a campaign to vote for the worst

Right. You know, a campaign could get started

to to propel somebody in this. I'm just kidding.

I would like to I would like to propose we do

a Kickstarter and get this entire thing animated

as one long 90 minute movie. That would be awesome.

That would be so cool. If I ever win the lottery.

Here you go. We'd have to include Sir Pantor

and Krang and. and all kinds of villains as well

it'd be the best goddamn miniseries on tv do

you know how popular that would be hasbro print

money make it happen i'm just saying steve what

about you thoughts on the finale ways you want

it to go ways you've seen it go uh how you want

people to vote whatever um i definitely see it

going in the direction of cobra commander and

megatron just because those are the i think the

Out of this list anyway the Top two that are

the most well known out of this entire group

that have consistently had comebacks over the

last 25 years Yeah, I see that and if you're

going strictly on popularity I can see it going

that way I personally like Birdman would think

it would be cool to see Skeletor versus Mammarra.

I totally think it's going to be Megatron on

the one side. I have no idea who's going to win

between Skeletor and Cobra Commander. I honestly

think that could go either way. I think it could

be Skeletor versus Megatron or Cobra Commander

versus Megatron. To me though, if you look at

it, and I'm not, I love G .I. Joe, I love Cobra

Commander, but Cobra Commander to me isn't even

in the top like five if you looked at the 16

villains we have. I think Skeletor and Hordak

both beat Cobra. I think Mumra and Monstar both

beat Cobra. I think Megatron beats Cobra. The

closest matchup, and this would have been an

interesting finale, would have been Cobra Commander

versus Shredder. Yeah. That would have been fucking

cool! That would be a pretty damn good matchup,

but other I mean I just don't see I don't even

I didn't even think over commander should have

beaten venture So I don't don't see how he can

compete with all of these guys to me like I said

I don't think he's in the top five is he one

of my favorite characters Yeah, but in battles.

He is a weak pathetic fool that needs an army

Neil what do you think stuff? We're just looking

at this Skeletor versus mom rah hmm Skeletor,

I know he came first but he's kind of like the

pathetic imitation of Mumrah so I don't see that

going well first. Well if Mumrah beats Megatron

then you might as well crown him. Yeah you might

as well just give him a bye and say you know

that we're gonna we're gonna... You can throw

Skeletor and Cobra Commander in against him.

Yeah but what if what if Megatron went up against

Cobra Commander? I know he could easily get the

win but I see him being arrogant enough to transform

into gun mode and land in Starscream's hands.

But does Chris Lada fire on himself? Hmm. So

that might work again. That's the only scenario

where it might work against Megatron against

Cobra Commander. Yeah, I pretty much think it's

going to be Cobra Commander and Megatron, and

it's just going to be a slaughter. Fusion Cannon

all the way. Mike, your thoughts. Yeah, pretty

much. It's everyone thinks Cobra commander is

gonna win this by landslide No, I know I I Wanted

well like I said before the battle I want to

see is Megatron versus Skeletor. I don't think

Cobra commander can be Skeletor I just don't

think you know you can say oh Skeletor is an

idiot or oh he'll He'll you know monologue too

much or whatever else, but I just I just don't

think unless Cobra commander cheats and we allow

him to cheat to have his army I just don't think

that he's gonna beat Skeletor one -on -one. I

agree Anyone else final thoughts get it in while

you still can persuade people If you don't vote

my way, I'll kick your ass. That's a good persuasion.

If you don't... You have to go to the website

first and vote, you dumbass. I'm trying to find

it, where is it? Oh, Jesus Christ. Mike, give

everybody the information. Quick, before they

tune out. How do people vote? Wait, I'm supposed

to be getting the information? Go over to geekcastradio

.com. At the top of the site, there is a banner

that says 80s cartoon villain tournament. There

is a link that says semi -finals. Click on that.

Yeah, it doesn't work. That's why. It doesn't

work right now. We're recording it still. It's

not live. Oh, my God. Where am I? All right.

Where are you people? Oh, God. After this episode

is up and online and live there is a banner on

geekcastradio .com that says 80s cartoons villains

tournament. There will be a link Under the word

semi files if you click on that it will take

you directly to the post All as you have to do

is select the combatant you think is gonna win

Then click vote. It's not that hard people. It's

not our fault So many people from Canada are

dumb less than like five clicks from when you

get to the site Yeah, exactly. It takes you five

clicks. It takes you less than ten seconds No,

it didn't work during the show. I was gonna try

and rig the vote You know, it's funny I can see

the IP address so Boy yeah, this has been a huge

train wreck Yeah at the end of this episode need

more backstage Yeah, pretty much We're gonna

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any other quick final last final thoughts from

anybody just make sure you vote and then make

sure you join us next week when we break down

the finale Yes, the voting will be open from

friday april twelfth through thursday april eighteen

and you also want to tune into the finale so

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