GCRN – Top 100 TV Shows Countdown – Part 4 – 25-01

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Welcome to geek cast radio as we continue our

countdown of the top TV series of all time Today

we are getting down to the final countdown as

we look at numbers 25 to the very special number

one Of course, we have assembled the all -star

team of geek cast radio starting with one of

the co -creators of geek cast radio TFG one Mike

the man that's more podcast than man. How's it

going? Yeah, pretty much At this point I think

it's well as of last year was over 1200 as of

this year is probably close to 2 ,000 or 2 ,500

podcasts in the last seven years. It's going

it's going This this countdown of ours has probably

been the most interesting one out of the three

that we've done It's probably gotten the most

well. I know I know it has broken a lot of our

website records with comments and stuff, but

Top 25, it's going to be interesting to see what

makes up our top 25. Of course, of course. And

also joining us is his tag team partner, the

other co -creator of GeekCast Radio, Steve Megatron

Phillips. How's it going? Yo, it's going pretty

good. Awesome, awesome. Coming on the podcast

once again are my fellow combatants over at Cinema

Geeks, Kevin Optimist Solo and his better half,

Amanda. How are things? Sure, words have never

been spoken. You guys actually fight with film

reels over there? Wow. Talk about fight club.

It's digital. We're in the digital world now.

Also joining us today are another special guest

coming back for his second entry into the world

of Vcast radio. He was so great the first time

we had him bring him back again, DJ Valentine.

How's it going, man? What would you do if I sang

out of tune? We talked about Wonder Years last

week. We never talked about this song. I'm really

into 100 years for some reason. When I promoted

that we were doing this week or when I promoted

the episode last week, I was like, and DJ Valentine

has been promoted to a series regular. I was

like, I got a promotion? This is the best job

I've ever not had. Increase it in rate five percent

bonus too, but five percent of zero is still

zero. Yeah, I know I told my bank my lawyer that

my banker that they were just laughing at me

like hey I got this check it has zeros nothing

but zeros We're the opposite of Mickey Mouse.

Yeah. Before we get to countdown, DJ, why don't

you, because you didn't get a chance last week,

so let's do it this week. You want to just give

a shout out over what you guys all do at Simplistic

Reviews? What we do, we do organized chaos over

at SimplisticReviews .net. It's essentially a...

Take a show that's like well informed and, you

know, got some movie geeks and add a lot of insanity.

And that's essentially what we do. But yeah,

I got me and Matthew Stewart and Justin Polizzi.

They run the ship and I'm essentially sitting

in the captain's chair as they as they make fun

of me behind my back and in front of you. Just

don't wear a red shirt. That's all you got to

remember. No red shirts. I'm black. Red shirt

doesn't even work. Yellow, red, blue. I'm black.

I'm going to get shot first. Doesn't matter.

Oh damn. I did not think we were going to go

that early. I'm not as pretty as Ophora. I'm

going down. But if you're being aimed at by a

stormtrooper, you're going to get missed. For

those that have not, if this is the first time

you're listening to this, definitely go back

and listen to the other countdown for countdown

100 all the way down to 26. To be clear, because

we're getting into the nitty gritty here, I just

wanted to touch on the rules real quick. We had

29 different people, about 20 different con guests,

provide lists. Each of those people ranked shows

all the way from 1 to 25 to possibly 100. The

higher it was ranked, the more points it received.

And then I combined those all and made the final

list. I am the only one on the record right now

that knows the remaining 25 shows. I hold all

the power for once in my life. And I do want

to give some hints of what's coming forward in

the sense of... This is going to be the closest

countdown that we've ever had. The last two,

once we got to the top five, was a pretty huge

jump. But to give you an idea of what we have

in store, number of points wise, the difference

between number 10 and number one is 327 points.

But the difference between number five and number

one is 27 points. So it was rather close to our

top 10 and our top five especially. Not at all.

I think there are a lot of predictable things

that are going to happen, but I think there'll

be some surprises as well. So anything else before

we get this countdown started? I don't know if

I'm more anxious to see what has made the top

25 or if I'm more anxious to see what didn't

make the countdown at all. I think I'm overdressed.

I'm wearing a tie for some reason. Maybe I should

take this off. Come on now. I'll wear anything

but a tie. Let's get this countdown started 25

All righty well coming in and the world of number

25 we're talking about one of today's Biggest

shows as in number 25. We have the walking dead

with 900 in two points This is the first show

to break the 900 point barrier It was on 14 list

as high as ranked as number five by two separate

people I'll start actually with Amanda here,

because Amanda you had this in your top 10 as

well. It's falling here at number 25. What are

your thoughts on where it's falling? Is it too

high? Is it not high enough? What do you think?

Being that I had number seven, I think that it

should be higher just to make me look better.

But I think it's got such a craze, such a following

behind it. I mean, it's got video games. It's

even got The Talking Dead. So it's got another

show that talks about the show right after it

comes on. What other show has a show that talks

about it? I mean, I don't know why it's falling

so low, but I'm just glad it's in the top 25.

Kevin, you actually had this on the other end

of the top 50 -81, so are you at the other end

of this and thinking maybe it's a little bit

too high and more of the what's in the now syndrome

we've been seeing? I think it's a little bit

in the now syndrome because I don't think...

This might be one that, you know, you do the

list 10, 15 years from now, it shows up quite

this high. And that's not just because more shows

will be out by then. Me personally, I ranked

it just because it is something that is very

popular. A lot of people talk about it. It does

have, you know, that presence to it. Me personally,

I'm not a huge zombie fan, so I have no experience

with the show. So unlike some people, I haven't

seen every TV show that's ever aired. So I couldn't

rank this one too high based on that. DJ. This

was not on your list, but any thoughts on The

Walking Dead? I'm kind of in a kind of a tumultuous

relationship with The Walking Dead right now.

It's kind of like that girl that you dated and

then he cheated on you with, I guess, with the

governor. And then, you know, no, I think after

the governor season, I was kind of like, I'm

going to take a break from the show because one,

I'm not a big horror guy. Matthew Stewart on

our show. He's kind of the core wing of the show.

So. I got into this for the first couple seasons.

I really liked it. It introduced me to Jon Baranthal.

I really liked the show. But around that governor

storyline, it's kind of when I started to wane

on liking it. And I know it doesn't matter what

I think. This show was a absolute monster when

it comes to ratings. I mean, The Talking Dead

show is getting higher ratings than regular shows.

So yeah, Chris Hardwick, though, come on. Chris

Hardwick is apparently Jesus Christ. But yeah,

the show is, it's kind of lost my interest, but

it doesn't need me. That show is going to be

on the air for 75 years when there's going to

be cockroaches and The Walking Dead show is going

to be airing after the nuclear apocalypse in

the future. One of the few shows on TV right

now that can like legitimately compete with NFL

on a Sunday night, which is insane. Yeah. Which

is crazy. The numbers, I mean, it keeps going

up. Even the season that I did not like where

it kind of got a little monotonous. The ratings

were still like ridiculous. So it doesn't matter

what happens. I do watch The Walking Dead. I

do kind of think this is a little too high. I

had it at 73, so I had it much lower, mostly

because I feel like there are times when I love

the show. It's like edge of your seat excitement.

I'm like, this is like I have to watch the next

episode, but then there are times that just drive

me insane. I'm like, why are you doing what you're

doing? And that was most of the first season.

Like the pilot, for example, is awesome. It's

a great, great pilot. And it kind of goes downhill

and like it has these peaks and valleys. It has

some amazing characters and then some characters

I can't stand, though I did get rid of most of

them. It's interesting. You said you started,

you stopped after the government season because

I feel like it actually got better. that season.

That's what my sister keeps telling me. And I

kind of took it. I really like Frank Darabont

and they kind of kicked him to the curb really

unceremoniously. And I also kind of pissed me

off. And I was like, well, I got this other show

Mr. Robot on. Maybe I'll just focus. You must

really hate Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones.

This is we talked about it on my show and I was

like, you know, last season, I know everybody

loved last season. I'm like, look, George R.

R. Martin, if this keeps happening, where good

people die and bad people win, I'm going to Gonna

move on to something else because it seems like

I'm predicting everything. I like that guy I

guarantee you he's gonna die in the next five

seconds. So yeah, yeah, I mean it's so I can

definitely see why I says I'm actually kind of

surprised It's not hired to be honest with you.

So I again, it's one of those shows I feel like

well, no one will be happy where we ranked it

But I actually have sling TV right now so I can

watch The Walking Dead. So that's Partially because

my wife likes it as well, but it's the only reason

I own that channel in the watch these man, too

but that's besides but It's, you know, it has

its place, but anything else on the Walking Dead

before we move on to the next in the countdown?

Alrighty. Well, next in the countdown, we're

actually getting to a spot we've yet to be, and

I'm actually kind of surprised it took this long

to get here. 24. It took us 76 shows to get here,

but we're finally getting our first medical drama

as in number 24. We have Ur, or... ER with 925

points on 14 lists as high as ranked as number

8 Kevin I'll start with you here as you had it

at number 8 Are you sure it took this long to

get on medical drama? And what are your thoughts

on seeing ER for all at number 24? Well, I mean

I know again that Mike's upset that another show

is not in this spot, but I think ER is is definitely

deserving of being in the top 25. I think this

is definitely a clear example of, again, I'm

going to stop saying this after this time, but

if you did this list 10 years ago, this would

be easily probably top 10 of this list. This

was such a huge show for that time period. It

was on for so long. It was critically acclaimed.

It had ratings. It had stuff people talked about.

It had so many different actors come and go that

were so notable, whether for their TV career,

their movie career. I mean, for this show to

be on for 15 seasons was kind of crazy. Now,

me personally, when I was growing up in the 90s

and in high school and in college, I actually

preferred the other medical drama of the same

time period, Chicago Hope. But that was just

because of one of the major actors from Chicago

Hope and how much I loved him. But E .R. definitely

had the longer staying power and the more critical

claim. So I am not surprised this is in our top

25. I thought it might be a tiny bit higher,

but it's hard to predict. Hard to predict. Mike,

you also had this on your list. So what are your

thoughts on E .R.? Goose libs, goose libs. No,

he doesn't. Technically spoiler alert, he doesn't.

Stop it. There's two things I remember about

this show. The fact that Anthony Edwards was

one of the stars and then at some point or another

George Clooney took over. This essentially launched

really Clooney's start -up. Or it pretty much

pushed it over the edge. It was empty when Detective

Branigan examined it a few minutes ago. Mr. Sullivan.

I dedicated my life to pediatric medicine. I

cared for dozens of dying kids. Kids in agony,

pain. You know, I can't even imagine. Ricky Abbott

was gonna die. Not in a month, or a week, or

a day. In hours. And nothing I did or could have

done was gonna change that. His mother had already

watched one son die from the disease and she

was sitting there watching her second son die

in a horrible death from something that she passed

on to him. Sometimes it's impossible to save

a kid's life, and the only thing we can do is

save them from suffering. Leave them with a little

dignity. In the end, that's all they have. Tell

me, were you relieving the child's suffering,

or were you relieving your own? If you were so

certain you were doing the right thing, why didn't

you administer the lethal dose yourself? You're

the doctor. Like Kevin said, I wasn't even into

Chicago Hope. I don't think I was into a lot

of medical dramas in the 90s. I mean, I was watching

ER, but... It's a show that I'm gonna have to

revisit just like I said in the very beginning

of the countdown either the first or the second

episode where I had to revisit Scrubs, and we'll

talk about Scrubs in the finale next week, but...

Hold on, here we go. That's not true. ER... I

mean, you can't deny that that show... And I

know I say this a lot, just like Kevin says,

you know, the acclaim and everything else, and

if this countdown was done, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah, but if it wasn't for ER, we wouldn't

have stuff like Grey's Anatomy and all that,

all the other medical dramas that have come after

it. There were there were medical shows that

came before we are no doubt and some maybe that

are deserving those lists that may maybe not

make it but It definitely revitalized that genre

along with Chicago Hope as Kevin pointed out

But I think to having the back of backing and

Michael Crichton and also started off with one

of the best pilot episodes ever He actually just

watched the pilot of ER. It could be its own

movie Especially the use of language and I know

that was a big deal at the time how they didn't

really dumb down the language and spoke in like

authentic Lingo and things like that. So and

also the characters are good. Like no, no Riley

was always my favorite character in ER I just

I loved his journey is also, you know, he stayed

with the show for such a long time But uh, I

agree with Kevin that this I had this at number

11 on my list So I thought it would be a little

higher. I'm glad it's in the top 25 I'm glad

it's on the list. At least we do get one medical

drama But the other thing that this show really

did well that a lot of shows fail at is not just

reinventing itself, but reinventing the cast.

And they seem to be able to do that without without

missing a step. Like, yeah, you probably had

some people that might have dropped off that

were big this person fan or that person fan.

But it was really able to kind of do a revolving

door of cast members without losing the feel

and the atmosphere of the show. Definitely, definitely.

And DJ, you also had this on your list as well,

I believe. Any thoughts on ER? I watched this.

There was two major like, I don't want to say

maybe bad to call it procedural shows, but Law

and Order and ER essentially were like staples.

You know, ER came on Thursday nights at 10 and

I used to watch it. I remember the Quentin Tarantino.

This is one of the few TV shows Quentin Tarantino

directed an episode. I remember that. Eric LaSalle.

This is one of the first time I've heard like

the F word, though they didn't. They kind of

bleeped it, but they didn't. There's a scene

later where a certain Top Gun actor is suffering

from a certain ailment and he falls out of bed

and he says like the f -word and I I don't think

they at least they let him say it and I was like

the first time I remember when that episode happened

they had like an advisory on there I think they

may have done it just for that moment, but it

ER is a great show I mean other than everybody

just remembers it for Clooney, but All the actors

are on there, Maura Tierney, Gloria Rubin. Stanley

Tucci came on there for a season or two. They're

just great actors, great performances, great

stories. Michael Crichton, John Wells, it's a

great show. It also has probably a TV milestone

as far as an episode goes. you know, you think

about like the mash finale or stuff like that.

But I think the episode where, um, spoiler alert

for ER, do I have to say that? But where, um,

Anthony Edwards dies. See, I was not dancing

around and you just went right into the gut.

I mean, that was an episode that just was like,

I don't know. It was groundbreaking. That seemed

like at the time it was just like earth shaking.

I don't know. It was, it was a big deal. Amanda,

any thoughts on ER? I mean, I had it 17 on my

list. I think it's definitely one of the greats

in that genre. I don't remember a ton of specific

episodes. I watched it with my mom and my grandma,

so I don't think that... I was in an age where

it maybe was appropriate for me to watch it.

I remember seeing an episode with where this

guy was like going through withdrawals and I

think that that hit me pretty hard. So, I mean,

I think it was a powerful show. Like you guys

said, you know, awesome cast, full body cast.

It wasn't the same characters all the time and

or, you know, over time. And I think that it

it definitely spawned my love for even like house

and things like that. So great, great pick here.

And Paul McCrane from RoboCop, you probably remember

him on RoboCop. He had this thing happening where

him and helicopters didn't get along. Spoiler

alert, there's one season where his arm gets

cut off by a helicopter blade and then a helicopter

falls on him. So that was also very funny. There's

a lot of weird things that happen on this show,

but it ran for so long, you get to run the gamut

of drama and funny and romantic at the same time.

23 Alright, so next up on the list is in our

number 23 spot is a show I wasn't sure was going

to make the countdown But I know there are legions

of fans that will be happy that it did Coming

up next is Doctor Who with 943 points is on 14

lists all the way up at number 2 on one individual's

list, so obviously there are billions of Doctor

Who fans out there. DJ, will they be happy or

will they be upset with us putting it here at

number 23? This is going to probably restart

the Revolutionary War that they're going to start.

We're going to start pouring tea into the ocean.

No, no. Doctor Who is Is it the longest running

TV show of all time? I don't know the records

here. I can't remember. I'm assuming it is because

my mother wasn't alive when Doctor Who came out,

so. Some of this program probably has a beat

somewhere. Yeah, and I started getting into it

because I was never a huge Doctor Who fan at

all, because, you know, I'm American. That's

exactly my feeling on it. I have a lot of family

from England and they're like, why aren't you

watching Doctor Who? And I'm like, I'm American

and they're like, okay, watch it. And I was a

big fan of, I'm a big fan of BBC television anyway,

but I love Peter Capaldi. So I got into the newer

Doctor Who. And I've seen a lot of episodes of

David Tennant. I skipped Matt Smith. I wasn't

a Matt Smith fan. But the show is almost like...

How do you even talk about it? It's like 60 years

of... I'm overestimating, but it's so many years

of television for Doctor Who. It's a staple.

It's probably one of the most iconic characters

in television history, so... I'm the Doctor.

I'm a Time Lord. I'm from the planet Gallifrey,

in the constellation of Casterbarus. I'm 903

years old, and I'm the man who's gonna save your

lives and all 6 billion people on the planet

below. And it's weird. It's delightfully weird,

which is great. There's no other show out there

that's like Doctor Who, and it's never going

to be a show like Doctor Who, so it's great.

I probably think just for the longevity sake,

the history sake, the actors who have gone in

and out of that show, it should have probably

been higher. But we don't like the British people

apparently so no This is one of those that I

This is an example of one of the shows where

it's a show that I don't necessarily have to

like or Have to have seen a bunch of episodes,

but I still ranked it I didn't rank it very high

headed at number 71 just because of the 26 plus

years and and all of the you know cult following

that it has. I've tried to watch this probably

seven or eight times. I've seen, you know, nine,

10 episodes and I just have not enjoyed a single

one of them yet. So maybe I'm just watching the

wrong episodes. But have you watched the tenant

ones? The tenant ones are really, really good.

I've watched a few of the tenant ones I've watched.

I've probably seen three different doctors and

I have had roommates that are obsessed with it.

We went to their wedding and it was they had

a Doctor Who themed wedding. Our friend Nate

from Weekend at the Movies and Cinema Geeks,

but I just can't get into it. I don't find it

entertaining. It's just not my style of thing.

But I do recognize that it does belong somewhere

in the top 100. Mike, you were going to say something?

Your good buddy Michael Powers has this rule

of give a TV show at least five episodes if it

doesn't grab you by then, then just put it in

your train pack pile. Okay, well, I'm just saying

that's his rule. But you're a doctor. I tried

three episodes from four different doctors of

the current series. I just, it's too damn British

for me. I just can't get into it. America! That's

right. America, fuck yeah. We're alienating everybody.

I'm just canceling all of my sonic screwdrivers.

I was going to send you guys in a care package

now on my phone here. So just continue. Don't

mind me. I'm just canceling it. But Mike, do

you think it even even if you don't necessarily

get into it? Do you think it deserves a spot

somewhere in the top 100? I think half of the

if not half or the 95 % of the fandom is gonna

send a bunch of Daleks after all of us No, I'm

just saying I see the toy crap all the time.

So yeah, yeah and besides one of our other buddies

Michael Dodd He loves his screwdrivers. Oh, and

we have we have Marcuse as well. But yeah, that's

they're they're not going to be too happy with

this. I would think as a network when we have

a podcast dedicated to Dr. Who, that it would

probably make our top 100 list. But Steve, what

are your thoughts on its merits of being where

it's at? Personally, I don't get into the show

like it's not like I'm I'm I'm more so like.

The Star Trek realm of sci -fi like this is this

is a little odd to me But like I don't generally

get into British television either but I do feel

that it does deserve a place in the top 100 because

of the longevity of it the fact that Just you

know all the same reasons that you guys have

mentioned already, but it's There's there's got

to be something to it that it's gotten this cult

following You know over the years and in the

fact that it keeps reinventing itself and staying

fresh Yeah, so the writing is very good on it

for a show like that to last that long It just

has to get something. You don't say it's it's

not like a flash in the pan This isn't like American

Idol where it's a fad. This show is Lasted several

great actors in the writing. I mean for as weird

as it is the episodes I've sketched caught some

episodes that were very very deep and I was like

what I was really emotional Why am I tearing

up in a? show about a guy that gets in a blue

telephone booth and goes back in time i'm tearing

up but no i mean i can i can understand it it

might alienate some people who don't watch bbc

or channel four or whatever but it's still iconic

and it's not just not going anywhere anytime

soon either no no so it's going to be on for

a while amanda worthy of top 100 i actually had

er right above this on my list so i had an er

at 17 and this at 18 um i really have been kind

of overwhelmed with the amount so i haven't been

able to get into the show but i mean i've only

heard good things so this might warrant me catching

up on some of it all right well we'll have to

hope that dan can find his way to that phone

booth at some point to uh join us but until then

let's move on to the next number in a countdown

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22 Alright coming in at number 22 another show

that I think has somewhat of a cult Following

in the show that's gonna be coming back into

the forefront and people might start talking

about it again here real soon number 22 is the

X -Files with 979 points on 16 lists, so that's

a lot of lists to be on that's a well over half

of the list and Amanda I believe you had this

at the highest out of everybody. What do you

think of the X -Files coming in one spot ahead

of Doctor Who? I'm glad it beat out Doctor Who,

but I think it's horseshit so low. I have this

at number six. This is one of the pivotal moments

of my childhood that made me realize - That's

not something you hear every day. X -Files was

the pivotal moment of my childhood. It made me

realize - I'm super into sci -fi and the most

creepy stuff that you can see. There's a lot

of stuff that disturbed me, but there's also

a lot that intrigued me. I remember these like

mutated... inbred things that at one point that

I had no idea where they were and they were like

hiding in these people's houses and like killing

them and having mutated babies and it just disturbed

the crap out of me but I had to watch it. It

sucked me in so much and kind of opened that

realm for me into the you know the supernatural

sci -fi. Alright so you would like it to be higher.

Yeah. DJ higher lower or right where it's at?

I probably I mean for my generation. I think

it's right where it needs to be and I was a big

fan of the X -Files I kind of fell off when Robert

Patrick showed up, but uh It saddens me because

I as much as everybody loved this show This is

one of those other shows that if people may not

remember was a phenomenon Like you it was everywhere

people were making judge David Letterman's making

jokes about in his monologue It saddens me that

the show is so great and the movies are so God

awfully bad. Fight the future wasn't that bad.

Oh, man. For the buildup, the show was giving

us, like, they're going to pay off everything.

The cigarette smoking, man. They're going to

pay off everything. No, we're not going to pay

off anything. OK, we'll make a sequel 10 years

later. We're going to know. It's about decapitations.

All right. All right. No aliens. All right. Fine.

What about his sister? I just, yeah, that's just

me, like, my personal bad. But no, X -Files is

another one of those shows. I think it should

be right where it is. That's because of the the

longevity of television in general. But X -Files

was one of the shows. It got me through college,

essentially. I was watching that show like every

night. So, yeah. Nice. Mike, what do you think

about X -Files? I think it's a really interesting

show. I think it's a good show. I prefer Briscoe

over it, though. Bruce Campbell. I had it ranked

at number 47, so I had it a little bit lower.

I still had it in the top 50. I think it's one

that was so popular and had such a following

but it almost seems like it had had been somewhat

forgotten for a little while there. Obviously

now it's coming back and people are talking about

again and revisiting so I think it's you know

getting back into the now a little bit but you

know nine seasons it had multiple awards it was

rated high it had a cult you know fan following

so I think it kind of hits every part that you

want it to hit on, especially for the genre and

for its uniqueness. So I think it has a lot of

things going for it and it definitely warrants

a place. I can see it definitely being in the

top 25. Steve, agree or disagree? I mean, I agree.

I'm not a fan of the show, but I did watch some

of it and I have given it more than one chance.

I totally get why there's a following for it.

It's definitely had not only a long life with

it in multiple movies, and then now it's got

the revival, so it's definitely deserving of

a top 25. It's got the revival. It's also, over

at IDW, had a multiple series of comic books.

They've done... Season 10, they actually did

the X -Files meets Transformers for one issue.

Oh, Lord. No, dude, that was awesome. What a

weird combination. They did X -Files and Transformers

crossover. They did X -Files and Ghostbusters

crossover. They did a whole bunch of different

X -Files crossover things with the other properties.

And it was just really, really cool. And hey,

you know, for all those fans that love the show

back in the day and it's coming back. Good for

them. Fox Molder, I am Optimus Prime. There we

go. Well, even though Dan didn't... Give me your

face! Give me your face! That's really weird

for me to say that, but give me your face. That's

a terrible moment. Anyways, even though Dan didn't

find the telephone booth, maybe Scully and Molder

will help bring him back to the Countdown after

this. 21. Well in true X -Files fashion I have

reappeared as we count down to number 21 coming

in at number 21 is a show we actually talked

about not too long ago when we talked about ER

and It's another procedural show but a procedural

cop show as in coming in at number 21. We have

law order with 992 points just barely below that

1000 point barrier it was on 14 lists highest

ranked as number three by none other than Amanda

so Amanda let's start with you here your number

three is going down and I know your number six

went down with X file so I don't know if we have

a personal agenda against you I'm not sure but

hey at least they're making a list Uh, what are

your thoughts on law and order? I think that

it was so iconic. It, uh, spawned SVU, criminal

minds, criminal intent, whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, it's still on today. It's still relevant

today. It addresses things that are are in the

now in um in a state of mind that we're all in

so it's not something that um is lost on what's

going on that you can't connect with it i think

that um the characters everybody knows the characters

everybody knows the theme song um it's got the

lumiere you know from leaving the beast I definitely

grew up watching this with my family and I really

do like SVU2 that's also on my list. I don't

know if that's gonna show up or not. Probably

not because this one's showing up now. I just,

I really liked it. Mike, any thoughts on Law

& Order? Not Law & Order, this show. You know,

we talked earlier about X -Files. No, I love

this show. Shut up. You better love it. You better

love it. We talked earlier. Shut up. I knew Mike

was gonna go bananas over this. We talked earlier

about how ER did a masterful job of interchanging

their cast. Law and Order did that too. Law and

Order had Jerry Orbach as Lenny Briscoe had...

Jesse L. Martin is Ed Green. You then bring in

Chris Noth. Benjamin Bratt. You bring him in.

Jesse L. Martin, baby. I just said, Ed Green.

And that goes to our point last week with Flash.

He's essentially playing the same character,

kind of. Anyway, but no law and order. I mean,

just... Just watch it is specifically for Jerry

Orbach as as Lenny briscoe that character to

me was one of the best characters between him

and Sam Waterston as Jack McCoy Oh those two,

you know Jerry on the cop side and and and Jack

on the On the law side was just amazing and like

Amanda said, you know, it's spawned SVU, which

is still going It's spawned criminal intent.

Think about this for a moment folks criminal

intent stars. Vincent's and off Rio who is now

kingpin who, the very first thing I ever saw

him in before Full Metal Jacket, he played Thor

in Adventures in Babysitter. Damn right. Damn

right. But it also, Long Order has a sad kind

of tragedy thing about it when it comes to Jerry

Orbach, sadly, because they brought Lenny back

for Trial by Jury, and Trial by Jury didn't exactly

go over too well. And then I think shortly after

that kind of failed for NBC, he passed away.

But the characters in the show, the stories in

the show, I know everybody for the SVU side of

it was pissed when Maloney left. But that show

has only gotten better with putting Mariska in

the forefront as the star. just the sheer amount

of the original show that is there even after,

you know, the original show before it ended its

run of new episodes, you had Jack promoted and

you had Bruce Wayne from Batman Begins, you had

Linus Roach as Michael Cutter. Thomas Wayne.

Oh yeah, Thomas Wayne, sorry. You know, but Lawn

Mower was absolutely amazing. What gets me about

that show is the very first few seasons. You

have Paul Sorvino as one of the cops. Oh my God.

You get one of the guys from Goodfellas as one

of the cops in Law & Order. That's just amazing.

Kevin, this is also was in your top ten at number

five. So thoughts on seeing it fall here. I mean,

I ranked it probably a little bit higher than

I should have. There's two things about Law and

Order. Number one, I don't think there's ever

been a show that has been watched more in reruns

than Law and Order. None. Zero. I think TNT is

like its entire... It's on right now. It is.

Last episode, DJ talked about how Family Guy

was one of those that you could come home from

the bar in college and watch and just... relax

with your buddies until you passed out. Law and

Order was the show that was on in between every

single class that you had or anytime you had

a lunch break or an afternoon break. Like it

didn't matter when you got back to your dorm

or apartment you could turn on and it was the

beginning of a Law and Order episode somehow.

It could have been like it could have been like

17 minutes past the hour and somehow a new Law

and Order was starting. So you could always watch

one and they also perfected TNT or TVS or whatever

channel it was airing they perfected the the

strategic television move which I don't think

had ever been done prior to this it doesn't seem

like where The one episode was hardly even over

They would give you the intro to the next episode

without commercial break Jam this law and order

down your throat you never could get out of your

chair to stop watching It's like I watch as soon

as it's over but another one immediately begins

It definitely deserves to be in the top 100 it's

Mmm, it was slightly high on my list I think

it's somewhat in the right spot for where it

where it comes out I could see the argument from

some people to maybe make it a little bit lower,

but 20 years, it definitely left its mark. Steve,

any thoughts on law and order? Not much other

than what's already been said. I do agree, though,

that it should be in the top 100 for sure. It's

one of the, I think it's the longest running

cop procedural. Yeah, let me shows went 20 years.

It's you know It honestly didn't get a huge amount

of award acclaiming it got some in 1997 for a

standing drama series But it wasn't necessarily

you know award machine per se but uh DJ any thoughts

before we move on to the next in the countdown

Oh, man. God what I say about law and order.

It's it's so much of a staple of television.

It's like the news because it's on every day.

I can see it every day. It was the first time

I've ever heard the term ripped from the headlines

and like, Hey, I remember that was actually on

the news and now they're doing a show about it.

And the guy would come on and the criminal justice

system, the people are represented by two separate

but equally important groups. And that's when

that starts happening. I'm like, oh, that's my

chair. Put my feet up. I'm not going to move

her about 17 hours because TNT has no other programming

and I just sit back. So yeah, law and order is

essentially It again we're getting to the nitty

-gritty right here or shows that are again on

all the time And there's been three great Jacks

in my life Jack Bauer Jack Bristowe Sam Wardison's

awesome. I mean, I think Aaron Sorkin knew how

to use them a little bit better, but Sam Wardiston,

man, he's awesome. He's one of the great television

lawyers that you've ever seen. People talk about

Matlock. Sam Wardiston was great. You trusted

the guy. He was almost like, oh, there's Jack's

on the case. He'll figure it out. He'll figure

out how to get this good. So yeah, it's a great

show. All right, well, there's always those shows

with a countdown, and I think next one's gonna

be the one that's probably debated about the

most for a variety of reasons. Alright, well

coming in at number 20, well a certain bias strikes

again and that of course is our relatively well

known superhero bias as coming in at number 20

we have Daredevil. Ryan's top ten is really going

out the window. It was on 16 lists. It was on

quite a few lists. It is the first show to break

the thousand point barrier with 1029 points.

Highest ranked as number two. So it was number

two for one person. DJ, I think I'll start with

you on this one because I remember waiting to

see Daredevil and seeing your tweets about it

and thinking I need to watch the show because

based on what DJ's saying, it's probably the

best thing in the history of every. of a man.

No, no. I was just happy because I'm a kid of

comic books. So when Avengers came out, I was,

you know, this is the greatest thing ever. My

childhood in front of me. So when they said they

were going to make an Agents of Shield show,

I was like, great. They're going to use it almost

like the AAA. They're going to call up people

and they're going to do stuff and they're going

to have, you know, an Agents of Shield, which

was hampered by the first season. They didn't

do what I wanted them to do. Daredevil does everything

I wanted a Marvel television show to do. One,

it pulls absolutely no punches. And two, even

if you include the television shows in the movies,

Vincent D 'Onofrio's Kingpin is the best Marvel

villain. It's between him and Loki right now.

It's between him, Loki, and Purple Man are probably

the best villains you're gonna see, and that's

including the Red Skull and Ultron and anything

you see in the movies. And it's not just he's

an awesome villain. He's a well -fleshed -out

villain in a show that we're probably gonna talk

about later called The Wire, maybe, perhaps?

I don't know if it's on the list. A lot of people

were saying, oh, this is... People were up in

arms because they were saying Daredevil's creators

say they're comparing... show to the wire and

they're not saying in terms of quality in terms

of storytelling that they were referring to where

you're getting to see two people fight for the

the love of the city and I just love how they

they got the tone of the daredevil comics right

because I used to read those religiously it's

just a Good solid show. And again, you don't

really have to be a comic book fan to appreciate

it And that's why the show that just came out

this weekend, Jessica Jones same thing It's just

you don't it may have powers in it. But just

like how the Dark Knight is like heat but with

Batman in it Daredevil is the wire with Daredevil.

It's a great show great performance by Vincent

D 'Onofrio and What's his name? Charlie Cox.

Yeah, I had my reservations about him, but he

completely wins you over in the first scene he

has. Well, that's Matt Murdock. I buy him. I

completely, I'm into this world. It's a great

show. I mean, it may be super high on this list

because of it being new, but you're not going

to hear an argument from me. I'm going to back

away. There's two things with Daredevil that

I suggest. First of all, everybody should at

least try it. It's only one season that you have

to try. For now. Well, obvious. I'm saying, I

know we're getting season two next year, but

I'm saying the two episodes that I recommend

everybody at least watch once. Episode eight,

Shadows in the Glass. and episode 10, Nelson

versus Murdock, because those are the origins

of the kingpin in Shadows in the Glass, and how

Foggy and Matt met up and whatever in college.

I remember when this first was announced, and

first was like, oh, it's coming to Netflix, and

again, I'll reference our buddy Mike Dodd from

This Week in Geek. He mentioned on Twitter, he's

like, oh, gotta wait till 3 a .m. to watch Daredevil.

All right, I'm up. Who else is up? Who else is

going to marathon the whole show the first night,

the first morning? And I'm like, yeah, I'll make

my way through it, but I'm not going to sit there

for 13 hours watching the show. Um, I watched

the show. I absolutely loved it. I thought it

was great. Uh, the one thing that I actually

did a double take on is, Oh my God, it's Fulton

from the mighty dogs. Holy crap. And he's good.

He's awesome. Steve, question for you. This is

obviously not the first superhero show we saw,

not surprisingly. But looking at the ones so

far, we had Agents of the Shield, then we had

Arrow, then we had Flash, and now Daredevil.

Do you feel we got that order right? Actually,

I believe so. I don't... Well, we've also had

Batman 66 in there, but... Ah, yes, true, true.

But I definitely think that they've gone in the

right order, as far as quality and of content.

And what's being represented as far as those

superhero? Because I know that there's a superhero

bias no matter what I'm one of the guilty parties

here Even though daredevil is not per se my cup

of tea I'm still more of a fan of the flash But

I will say that what daredevil has going for

it is the strong cast of the villain which your

shows only generally as good as your villain

that goes for anything really and The the the

tones in the quality that they've managed to

capture with the show have kind of Hit that bar

a little bit higher as far as the quality for

superhero shows Which makes it because like you

look at agents of shield and and I've talked

about this on alter geek With like powers and

we were talking about the fact that you know

the the colors and the the backgrounds The reason

why everything's in shadows and kind of in the

dark is because it looks cheap when you get a

good shot of something And then it kind of continues,

like, kind of down the line. It gets better quality

as you, you know, the same order that we're going

with the top 100. Each show gets a better quality

than the previous one. Can you tell us what happened?

And I think that that trend is kind of why this

landed where it did on the list. Why don't we

start with what we know then? You were found

in your apartment with one Daniel Fisher. Who

appears to be the victim of a homicide and currently

you're the only suspect on this page. Who the

hell are you guys? I'm Matt. He's foggy. Who

sent you? Nolan's house. So what? You're just

a couple of good Samaritans? Today's just my

lucky day? I bribed a death sergeant with a box

of cigars for his mom. Our practice is relatively

young, Miss Page, and we are aggressively pursuing

new clientele. You gotta stop giving best cigars.

She likes to smoke, man. It's a free country.

So how long have you been practicing law? Don't

it's 12 22 about seven hours to your point shield

is just getting its Good feeling now with with

ward I think they never really had a major villain

But daredevil from the word go the same thing

with Jessica Jones from the word go has and flash

from the word go has strong strong villains you

got Reverse flash you got kill grave you got

kingpin Shield didn't have that yet. Arrow had

Slade Wilson, so you're right. If you make the

hero have a complete equal opposite on the other

side, your show will grow. Shield never had that

until maybe like right now. Well, Shield has

has been hindered because of the films. And I

think because season three, the way that it started

playing out season three is when it's actually

started getting good. Same reason Gotham. Gotham

was crap during season one. I felt in season

two, it actually has gotten better. But it's

again, because the villains have been stronger

and had been more prominent. It's made that the

heroes had to actually step up. And so the each

show, like, you know, we we've mentioned has

gotten better with with quality. And it's it's

funny because it takes a Netflix show to destroy

the rest. I'm in I'll start with you. I'll move

to here. You did not rank daredevil And my question

is to you I know we talked about we've obviously

have a superhero bias but you think daredevil

is actually one of the shows that maybe deserves

to be on the top 100 even though it may be on

extraordinarily way too high You know, I was

kind of torn on this, so I just left it off.

I was like, is it too soon? It's got the one

season. I know a lot of people like it. I don't

think I went as bananas for it as everybody else

did. I don't even think I saw the last episode

or something like that. Kevin was getting through

it for a show, and I was just kind of... Playing

along for the ride here and I saw most of it

I think I took a couple of naps in the middle

there but I think that Vincent and off real he

scared me since He was in men in black He didn't

have to do much to freak me out and convince

me that he was a villain in the first place I

was totally invested in his character, and I

thought that he was great and that Might be the

only thing that's setting it apart for me from

the movies. It's it's an even better Villain

than they've had so I think it's definitely a

good quality show among the ranks of the superhero

shows and I do think it's it's fitting in this

place above the others Kevin any thoughts on

daredevil? I'll be very brief number one I agree

with Steve that we got the shows in the right

order even if some of them Maybe should not have

been on the list. They're still in the right

order Number two, if you want to hear in -depth

discussion on this on DJ and myself, we're on

an episode of In Session Film that we talked

about this for at least an hour, I believe. 17

hours. Yes. It was a long episode. That's what

happens when people bring me on their show. Number

three, whoever on the website. on the comments

said that Vincent D 'Onofrio was bad at Kingpin.

You're out of your mind. You're crazy. And number

four, I will let the 200 comments that we're

going to get about this web about this episode

appearing on the website do the rest of the talking.

And a third of those comments are going to be

based on it's too new. A third of those comments

are going to be about it being superhero show.

And a third of those comments are going to be

about the one season argument. So I'll just let

the debate continue. That is true and that is

funny because you know, that's gonna come up

Yeah, but I think if there is one superhero show

out of all of them that we had to pick to make

the countdown This is probably the most deserving

even if it is new Yeah, you like me actually

had it at 100 so we both lockstep in with this

one and it was I I did want to have at least

one superhero show on my list and I think it's

no doubt is way too high I mean, I mean looking

at the history of television. Is it is it deserving

of this? No, I mean come on now I mean, I love

the show. It's a great show. I even still like

it more than Jessica Jones Which is another great

show which I watched way too much of over the

weekend But it was a good time and I enjoyed

it and it did at least I think set a new bar

for we can do with with Marvel in general and

actually has been way more excited for Marvel

Netflix stuff than anything else. I'm like, you

know what, you can stop making the movies and

just do the Netflix stuff and I think it'd be

okay. The one cool thing about Daredevil, Joe

Reed from Off the Cuff and Geek Stuff Garagecast

and I did a season pass on this on remote control.

Outside of the actual show and its content and

its characters and its episodes, the coolest

thing Netflix did is how they captioned it. they

actually have a setting for blind people to watch

this show and it's just watching it that way

because I am technically legally blind even though

I'm not blind I'm classified that way but I have

a few blind friends and just turning that setting

on and watching it that way is just it's a whole

new experience for the show they have done a

lot of things Well, it was the first one that

I noticed on Netflix All right any of that thoughts

before we move on to number nine our next in

the countdown Can't wait for second season second

season. It's got John Baranthal. It's gonna be

great. Alrighty. Yeah, definitely looks great.

Looks great All right for our next in the countdown.

We're getting into another classic comedy Coming

in at number 19 with 1041 points It was on 13

last one of most iconic comedies of all time

some are definitely gonna argue It's not nearly

high enough as it is. I love Lucy It was highest

ranked as number two by Tim and Kevin and so

Kevin I'll start with you here. I also had this

in my top ten. Are you a little shocked? This

is not making the top ten Shock no Hum again,

nothing's gonna shock me on this countdown that

hasn't already done So so I mean, come on. It's

top ten. It's top ten 1950s comedy setting the

stage for tons and tons of shows to imitate it

and that's not counting the I guess what you'd

call spin -off or continuation under a different

name that kind of had but I mean It's I love

Lucy. It's I don't know Yeah, I think definitely

it is in the Mount Rushmore of TV like you're

thinking TV you asked a bunch of people to name

a TV show classic TV show You know certainly

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on I Love Lucy coming in here at number 19? Well,

I find it... Well, for one, the show, I do think

it should be higher. Also, it has the... One

of the things that was revolutionized back in

the day was... she pushed for the show to be

pre -recorded, which was unheard of at the time,

because usually shows were pretty much live.

Yes, I learned this in a class that I'm taking.

But so, yeah, the whole thing with it was it

was one of the first pre -recorded shows in history

as far as that goes. But yeah, I think that definitely

it helped kind of push the the genre of what

it is and deserves a spot on this list. Before

we go too much further, I've regained my thoughts.

So I'll say a couple more things about it. I

believe if my information is right, it was on

six seasons and all six of those seasons it was

nominated for best comedy show. And also all

six of those seasons, it was rated top 10 in

all of the TV ratings, including four times it

was the number one rated show. in the country.

Four years, number one rated show in the country.

Not a lot of shows can say that. Now, only only

two others were the Andy Griffiths and Seinfeld,

the only two shows that had that streak. DJ,

any thoughts on I Love Lucy? It's kind of sucky

because we're in a generation where people have

never even heard of I Love Lucy. That's kind

of where I'm happy that young kids I'm talking

about. I'm glad this movie's coming out with

Cate Blanchett, I think, is playing her in the

Lucio Ball. And that, I think, is going to bring

more attention to how amazing this woman was.

She's essentially the funniest woman. If you

had to pick funniest women in history, she'd

have to be your top three, if not one. Lucio

Ball is amazing, revolutionary, great show. I

didn't have it on my list because I didn't really

grow. I grew up with Carol Burnett. But it's

like one of those things where it's like I hated

Michael Jordan, but I know he was the greatest

basketball player of all time You can't like

You hear a loose loose. I love Lucy. You're like,

oh, yeah, of course. I love Lucy It should I

think it should be higher if it was up to me

Amanda you actually are very close on ranking

this year this at number 20 So you're are you

pretty happy where it's falling? Yeah, I think

it's a decent placement. I love Lucille Ball.

I think that she has so much physical comedy

that she brought to the table as well as some,

you know, real and genuine emotion and she wasn't

just, you know, bawling her eyes out and getting

in trouble with Ricky. I think she really brought

some emotion to the table and it was such a fun

show to watch and who doesn't know? I love Lucy.

Who doesn't know the candy episode, Chuck? Kids,

man, I'm telling you, I've talked to people who

have never even heard of I Love Lucy and I just

look at them like, damn it, I'm an old man. I

should be required viewing in like junior high

or high school or something. Or the Superman

episode. Mike, it wasn't on your list, but do

you have any issue with? It's great that it fell

here. I think a lot of people are gonna. Hope

it was it was a bit higher I love this show I

caught a few episodes of it as a kid recently

I've gone back and caught a few clips on YouTube

and the one that I remember is the the Superman

episode that was hilarious for me because Actually

as much as people probably hate this show Lois

and Clark actually spoofed I love Lucy in one

episode and that was awesome But no, I love Lucy

Lucille ball. It was it was an amazing show as

Steve said you know I mean it it pretty much

gave it pretty much led the way for women in

television so Mike before people attack you on

the website do you want to explain why you didn't

list it forgot about it Fair enough. I forgot

about fast lane too and I didn't list that so

they're in the same category My dad's favorite

show so I grew up watching it a ton I remember

he had tons of books on it going through it.

So I was it was in my top ten I had it at seven.

I definitely think it should be much higher Maybe

I should make it a little bit higher myself edge

You know, there's so much more you can say about

I love Lucy that has not been said. It's still

funny to this day. I mean, Ethel and Lucy and

Ricky Ricardo, too. I mean, I know a lot of people

who that was like the first only time on TV that

you had a character speaking Spanish like it

was that was, you know, it seems kind of small

today. But at that time, that did not happen.

And that's a big, big deal to having an interracial

couple with a female led show like that. And

it wasn't never like a thing. It wasn't like

a big deal. It was just it just that's what it

was and I think it says a lot It says a lot about

Lucy when like you in her as a person that she

could pull that type of shit off I think the

most mind -boggling thing about this whole thing

is that 16 people couldn't find a spot for it

in the top 100 I Know I know I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I thought about fixing ballots,

but I Should have just rejected them and said

think about your list and send it back Send them

back the list with like a blank spot like a number

three I know we're talking I know we're talking

TV and I brought up the movie about it and I

found I looked up looked it up now Aaron Sorkin

is writing it which is amazing the Kate Blanchett

Lucille ball pick and I think Oscar's already.

Yeah, I think Oscar Isaac should play Desi Arnaz

because the man can sing, he can act. That movie

would win Best Picture. I'm calling it right

now. It's a good chance. It's a good chance.

All right. Any other thoughts on Isla of Lucy

before we move on to the next in the countdown?

All right. Well, it's going to be kind of weird

having these two shows back to back, but hey,

what are you going to do? Oh, Jesus. I'm afraid.

Well, we're moving from a classic comedy to a

modern comedy oddly that these are being placed

back back to back but very different shows but

both in realm of comedy coming in at number 18

we have the united states version of the office

with 1065 points. It was on 16 less on as high

as ranked as number six I think I'll start with

this because if I was honest The office is probably

my third favorite show of all time, possibly

top two. But I will be the first one saying it's

too too high. I love the show. It's a great show.

I can go on days talking about it. It was probably

the highest ranked modern comedy for me, but

I had it like not even in my top 20. I think

two would probably benefited from. the fact that

it did kind of start a new type of comedy for

the U .S. at least. You know, we're leaving the

90s, getting away from the laugh tracks to the

sitcoms we have today. You know, Steve Carell

is phenomenal. The relationships that built the

Dwight -Jim rivalry is great. I can, again, talk

about it forever. But I just wanted to put that

caveat on there. But DJ, you did have it on number

13 as well. So what are your thoughts on The

Office? I saw the American office before I saw

the British office. And again, it's like though

they're, they're not the same. However, it's

talking about Sherlock Holmes and the last show

where I can enjoy both of them equally. They're

not like one is the they're not like the exact

same show. I Love the office. I mean when I went

to I went to a film school down here in Florida

called Full Sail and they play it in there like

when you go into the Student Center, but it's

playing it on a loop. It's like one of the greatest

shows that I I mean I just love it so much and

I again I am NOT a fan of the laugh track and

I do this first kind of time I've seen like the

mockumentary style on a sitcom Steve Carell was

great. But the thing about that show and a lot

of the Michael Schur shows is that everyone has

a moment to shine. It's not just, you know, Sam

Malone and everybody that falls to the west side.

You know what I'm saying? It's like if it's not

this whole episodes where it's just BJ Novak

and wasn't Mindy Kaling or whatever or Oscar

or Creed or everybody has a moment to shine.

Everybody gets, you know, something to do. So

it kind of fell off near the end of the series,

so that's probably why I wouldn't have it this

high. Or I had it 13, but I mean, I can see why

I thought my voice would be knocked down somewhere.

Well, that's actually when we based everything

off of was DJ's voice. We didn't tell you. Yeah,

I'm the only reason. Nobody else. But no, I love

the show. It's hard for me to say, well, I don't

like this about the show. I don't like that about

the show. I love the show. The whole gym looking

at the camera stuff the whole Pam love triangle

thing I For me who hates love triangles. I still

dug that the hell out of that stuff. It's a great

show and you can Get into a lot of people say

well, I like the the zany humor But this was

kind of like smart dry humor and think of the

people who have come on this show James Spader

Idris Ilba, Timothy Oliphant who are essentially

like dramatic actors who nail every comedic moment.

What was James Spader's character's name? California

something? Yeah, Robert California. Oh my God,

maybe one of the greatest characters ever. He's

kind of playing the same character in Blacklist

a little bit. A little bit, but he's a little

bit, you know, he doesn't shoot people. Less

sexual, more violent. It's just the office. Yeah,

exactly, exactly. But no, I love the office.

Great show. Kevin, looking at the modern comedies,

which we had a lot of, no doubt, I think we've

run out of them at this point, so we can say

this is the highest ranked. Would you put The

Office as the highest ranked of the modern comedies

within, say, post -2000? I think I'd have to

take a six month period and binge watch all of

them and take notes to figure out which one should

be the highest. I think this one probably has

the widest following of not just people that

are just watching whatever is popular on TV,

but like people that are liking it more for the

intelligence of the jokes or The the cleverness

or things like that. I I don't know I think it

depends on what your brand of humor is I think

some people are gonna find someone else a little

bit more funny Some people are gonna find this

brand of humor better I don't I think this is

a prime example of it's a show that you can't

necessarily argue that it doesn't belong in the

top 100, the argument only becomes where it should

fall. I had it in the top 50, so I don't really

have a problem. I think like you, it might be

a touch high. I think maybe closer into the like

the 40s or right around the midway point would

have been a little bit more apropos, but I don't

think you can argue its place amongst the 100

shows as far as being a member of it. And it

also did probably one of the most important things

in the history of television. Well, really the

world, it puts Scranton on the map. And I say

that as someone who grew up with Scranton. So

it may have benefited from the fact that we have

three members of Docking Turtles that are from

Scranton. So we may have ranked it too higher

than we should have. But, you know, just putting

that out there. Amanda, any thoughts on The Office?

I really was never able to get hooked on the

show. I've seen pieces here and there. I've never

seen a full episode, but I just don't like Steve

Carell. What? Yeah, I just can't. Wow. I don't

like him really at all. This is information I

needed a long time ago. The most likable man

in the world. See, I like Steve Carell. I just

can't stand the show. So what are your thoughts

on on the show, Steve? I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't

doubt that the show like I obviously think that

it should be in the top 100 because people enjoy

it. it's it's not you know i it just because

it doesn't hit my personal taste doesn't mean

that it doesn't deserve to be there because i

i've heard everybody talk about this show during

its entire duration on television but um that

being said it's not i i don't like it but that's

because I feel like something's missing when

I don't have the laugh track, even though it

doesn't give me the even with the laugh track,

it doesn't give me the cue to laugh. Like I just

it feels like something's missing in the background.

Like I need some kind of a background sound,

even if it's not a laugh track to kind of enjoy

whatever I'm watching. I'm not a fan of the mockumentary

type style television show. So like that, that's

kind of another reason why I can't stand it.

But I'm not a Christopher Guest fan, apparently.

I'm not a fan of most of the modern comedies

that are on TV right now. I like the sit back

not have to think about it kind of stuff. Like

I get the memes that have come out of this stuff

or the little catchphrases like, you know, that's

what she said or stuff like that. So, I mean,

I get those. I just I particularly can't sit

there and watch the shows. I will say the the

office was like a little bit of an acquired taste

for sure cuz I know the first season that came

on Watching it and like this. Oh, yeah, it wasn't

you know didn't really find his stride though

I do think it's second episode diversity day

is like one of its best episodes now going back

to it But it was like I said it was a new kind

of brand of comedy for the u .s. That awkward

Comedy where it's like it just put new situations

letters are weird. They are not breathing and

they have no arms or legs No, that's not part

of it. Where are they? You know what? If we come

across somebody with no arms or legs, do we bother

resuscitating them? I mean, what kind of quality

of life do we have there? I would want to live

with no legs. How about no arms? No arms or legs

is basically how you exist right now, Kevin.

You don't do anything. All right, well, let's

get back to it, because you're losing them. OK,

too fast. Everyone, we need to pump at a pace

of 100 beats per minute. OK, that's hard to keep

track. How many is that per hour? How's that

going to help you? I will divide and then count

to it. Right. Okay, well, a good trick is to

pump to the tune of Staying Alive by the Bee

Gees. Do you know that song? Yes, yes, I do.

I love that song. First I was afraid, I was petrified.

No, it's... Ah, ah, ah, ah, staying alive, staying

alive. You were in the parking lot earlier. That's

how I know you. Ah, ah, ah, ah, staying alive,

staying alive. Ah. Ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive,

stayin' alive, ah, ah. You can't tell by the

way I use my walk. I'm a woman's man, no time

to talk. Where is it now? Women won't have been

kicked around since I was born. Well, it's all

right. It's OK. You can't love the other. Also

think like it ended up really we talked about

with Parks and Rec last week building a lot of

strong relationships with the characters It wasn't

as advert as it is with Parks and Rec, but there

are small bits here and there especially with

like Steve Carell and Jim like, you know even

in season two like the boat trip episode near

the end They're just the small bits where there's

just a nice nice little touches here and there

where you do get you know It's about finding

the like the beauty and the small things in life

and in the last season was pretty bad But it

did lead to like one of my favorite finales and

I think it kind of made up for the fact that

the Last season in the half were not the most

fantastic. Was it the last season the reason

why it was so bad because corral left? No, the

he left the season and the last two seasons didn't

have growl in the season After he left was actually

pretty good where ed helms kind of took took

the range and that's when rabid california came

in and was the main character, but The last season

at Helms left it many Kaling left and they brought

in not a lot of new characters They kind of had

a weird thing going on with Jim and Pam that

really did not work out at all So but then but

the least the last episode definitely made up

for it I still I still love the episode Joss

Whedon directed where Jim is for convincing Dwight

that he's turning into a vampire I Every time

I ever so comes on I die. It's one of the it's

one of the there's a lot of shows where it's

where it's like this overarching thing. But then

there's just some episodes where it's just Jim

pranking Dwight. And I can never get enough of

that. I would say, too, another good episode

to start with is the injury that episode. Yeah.

That's one of my favorites. So, all right. Like

I said, I can spend all day talking about the

office. So let's go on to the next one. Before

this comes the office cast. 17. Alrighty well

coming in at number 17 well winter is coming

because at number 17 we have Game of Thrones

with 1771 points it was on 15 list as highest

ranked as number three Amanda let's start with

you here because this was in your top five again

I were targeting you and it's making the list

any any thoughts on on Game of Thrones coming

in here at number 17 You're killing me, Smalls.

You're just knocking out my whole list here.

Sandlot reference. Sandlot reference. I have

this at number four. Geez. I think the production

on this show is just so outrageous and awesome.

Yeah, I started reading the books and what I

started to do was read the book and then... catch

up with the show so I read a few chapters and

then watch a show and read a few chapters and

watch a show and then it got to the point where

I was watching more of the show than I was able

to read so and I was okay with that change off

so I'm a little far behind in the books but I

was really happy with the change off from from

the first couple books from the pages to the

screen and there's so many characters and it

just it really it doesn't get old even though

there's there's all these storylines going on.

Yeah, you're gonna have that one episode where

you have the couple storylines that you really

don't give a shit about. That's just any show

that has multiple character storylines. There's

gonna be some that you like more than the others,

but I think there's so many characters to like

in here, and just because they're gonna probably

die doesn't mean that you don't get invested

in them, and this story is just so fantastical

that it's really right up my alley. I'm gonna

continue watching it and bootlegging the crap

out of it. So We don't we don't We're going to

watch it and by other means she said she said

edit point. She's going to watch it She's gonna

watch it at bars. I don't know DJ you weren't

far off with having this at number 21 So any

thoughts on Game of Thrones? All right shit Game

of Thrones has probably one of the most shocking

moments in television history, and it's just

a show filled with shocking moments, great characters.

It made Dungeons and Dragons type stuff actually

mainstream, which is unheard of. The nerds are

taking over. The nerds are taking over. Because

that movie didn't do the franchise any good.

Jeremy Irons really brought it home on that one.

I'm at the point now if I'm talking I'm giving

it it's laurels because the first couple seasons

I absolutely love but I just I'm afraid George

RR Martin or whoever's doing it now is a DB DB

Weiss I think now uh are using the kill somebody

you like as a as a gimmick I don't want it to

be a gimmick. I want it to be part of the story.

But right now, especially the last season, which

everybody started to, you know, everybody loved,

it's starting to feel like a gimmick. Because

after situations like the red wedding and the

purple wedding, I'm like, all right, that was

crazy. That was great. But now it's like, all

right, the Oberon thing and the other things.

OK, OK, I get it. Good people suck. Bad people

win. I get it. Just don't make it a gimmick.

Make it part of your story. I'm with you. And

again, I love Game of Thrones. just don't don't

test me gamethones don't don't don't don't walking

dead me gamethones where i start i stop carrying

because like if something happens to tirion is

essentially we're gonna go walking dead gamethones

comparison tirion is darryl if anything happens

to tirion i'm done that's the end of the show

for me deal breaker deal breaker i'm out there's

this temporary show brawn is kind of there he's

like carol okay so if anything happens Though

it also appears that Jon Snow might be Glenn

for those that are. Jon Snow might be Glenn.

That'd be great. That'd be terrific. One of the

things we love about HBO is that they can pull

no punches. They pull no punches. They give you

everything. I love the George R .R. Martin is

going against the norm of a normal show where

no one is safe. Absolutely no one is safe. But,

you know, just make it a good story. And it worries

me when I see George R .R. Martin at award shows

or on blogs. Get your ass into your goddamn office

and finish these freaking books. OK, I don't

want these guys flying by the seat of their pants,

which essentially they're doing now. I think

the show is caught up to the books, if I'm not

mistaken. This is going to be the last. The last

season, I think diverted a bunch from the books.

I have not read them, but from the season is

going to be. But yeah, but it's a great it's

amazing show. I mean, for them to just for the

fact that they made Dungeons and Dragons stuff.

I keep saying Dungeons and Dragons stuff. The

swords and swords and dragons of mainstream like

people know about Game of Thrones that who are

the jocks know about Game of Thrones. So, yeah,

it's a great show. It's just I'm watching you.

I'm looking at you. I'm looking at your Game

of Thrones. Don't mess up. Kevin, you were not

far off as well with Game of Thrones drinking

here. So you happy it's falling at around number

17 and not any higher? I really would like to

make a statement and somehow not comment on Game

of Thrones until it's entirely done. Because

I just feel like I'm going to say if I say something

good, there's it. Has the opportunity to do what

loss did to a lot of people even if it wasn't

myself and just completely Turn people off with

however it decides to end eventually down the

road So it's like I really wish I could reserve

judgment, but it is a fun journey. I will say

that after the first season I Swore off the entire

show and was like this show I was like, I have

no reason to watch a single more minute of this

show. Like that's completely done. I care nothing

about any character that's alive. I'm like, I'm

completely done with this. And then every time

I started caring about a character, they kill

them off. So it's just like, I still like the

journey, but it better have a fricking payoff

at the end because otherwise I'm going to be

a very salty person. And like DJ, I worry a little

bit about it almost being a gimmick at this point,

but hopefully that's not something that really

holds any weight once it's all said and done,

but it's fun. It's got a lot of great actors.

Like Amanda was saying, the production value

of it's really cool. But man, this is going to

go one way or another. There's a lot riding on

how this thing eventually finishes out. But I

think there's no doubt it deserves to be in the

top 100 conversation. Oh, yeah, I think so. Definitely.

It is certainly, you know, it's one of the most

recognized shows. It's like that like Walking

Dead. Like you kind of have to watch it that

night because if you don't, it's probably going

to be spoiled for you more ways than what sometimes

by the own Facebook group. Do you see the red

wedding, dude? That's what you're going to get.

You're going to get 35 people telling you what

the red wedding actually means. I actually have

multiple podcasts I've had to because I didn't

watch them all as they happened. I caught up

with them afterwards. And in the last year and

a half of watching podcasts, somehow they would

always show up on on talking in circles or true

romance or somebody would want to talk about

them somewhere. And I always had to stop the

show and be like, okay, I'll come back to you.

Uh, yeah, I mean it it's a good show. I definitely

uh, I think like you guys sometimes I worry if

it sacrifices good great moments for good storytelling

i'm like Okay, where is this going? And I know

I know what's supposed to be this criticism of

heroism and things like that And I do love the

show the acting production though I will say

on the night it shows there's game of thrones

And I think it's not it's like the fourth or

fifth best show on the night it airs because

I I like to be better I like silicon valley better

and I like last week tonight better. So I don't

know what that means. But I ranking them now.

I did rank Game of Thrones the highest out of

all those. It's simply just it's an epic show.

And it's what's great about it. It's keeping

fantasy alive because it's it's not really in

movies right now. It's like the only place to

really see fantasy. But like I said, it's keeping

fantasy alive. As Vin Diesel tries to kill it.

Vin Diesel's trying to murder fantasy. Vin Diesel

and what was that movie they kept him in just

earlier this year? I forget what it's called.

Oh, Seventh Son. You're the seventh son of a

seventh son. I'm Jeff Bridges. Also had Jon Snow

in it. Exactly. For five seconds. Steve, any

thoughts on Game of Thrones before we move on

to the next in the countdown? I knew my wife

was watching it at one point. It's not one of

those shows I get into but I again it's I right

now I don't have HBO so it's it I definitely

see the reason why it's in the top 100. I just

don't know if I would rank it right now Maybe

you know like Kevin said when it gets done Maybe

going back and then blitzing through the whole

show and then and then giving it a fair go But

I think that's the way to go and then people

can tell you to either do that or not do that

Think it is a show that it benefits from from

marathoning too because that's what I did with

a the first like season two I think it does There's

so much going on and by first five seasons. Yeah,

because by halfway through the season I'm trying

to I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that character

cuz it's like there's so many characters. I don't

know anyone's names I'm like, oh no, and I knew

characters and hierarchies and well and like

my wife she lost interest, but that's because

like She you know in between waiting between

seasons she forgot what happened and she's like

I didn't have to re -watch the whole damn show

so Forget it. It's one of the few shows where

I will watch the previously on Alright, well

let's move on to the next in the countdown and

someone's number one is going down 16 Yes, like

I said, we're having another person's number

one go down at number 16, and it's actually mine.

Coming in at number 16, we have the West Wing.

It was on 17 list, as high as ranked as number

one, as I mentioned, with 1 ,132 points. So we're

getting up there in points more and more. DJ,

you are another one whose rank is rather high.

So before I go off on my diatribe, I'll let you

speak on your thoughts on West Wing. Aaron Sorkin

is my second favorite writer. working right now.

It's Christopher McQuarrie and him and then Tarantino.

So I love the West Wing. I love everything Aaron

Sorkin does. But I think the West Wing was probably

his television masterpiece. I mean, he had Sports

Night and Studio 60, which was kind of tumultuous

and stuff like that. But West Wing, I mean, Martin,

Martin Shee, everybody on his show was amazing.

And that's where the walk in talks came from.

It actually like Got me into politics because

I was a notorious. I don't give a crap about

politics at this time. But when I watched the

West Wing I I loved it. Yes, and Every character

on that show from Rob Lowe to Bradley Whitford

to Allison Janney. I mean, it's just from Dulay

Hill It's just a great performances by everyone

and the writing was top -notch. I know he kind

of left near the Middle of it. He had a end of

fourth season forcing he had some problems, but

I mean If you have any doubts about the writing

caliber of an Aaron Sorkin, watch the first episode

of the West Wing. And just watch, I think that's

the episode where he takes down the religious

lady and she doesn't stand. No, that's later

on. I want to say season two or three. There

is a taking count of a religious person, but

it's not that one. And it's not as... It's Martin

Sheen's only appearance in the pilot. He actually

only shows up in the pilot for like a few minutes

and it's more of a, it's a taking down, but more

of a polite taking down. I mean, because when

somebody gets, when Aaron Sorkin writes a character

to take somebody down, they get to strip you

in half. Like, it's just such good writing. And

again, I always hear, oh, nobody talks like that.

It's not realistic. I'm like, yeah, but it's

poetry. It's just good writing, man. And on top

of that, you're getting a caliber actor like

Martin Sheen to do this stuff, be the president,

and you buy him as the president. It's just a

good character role. And I think it always bothered

me about the show, the one thing, vice presidents,

you know. Kind of a bigger role in the show,

but you care more about Bradley Whitford or you

know Rob Lowe than you gave a crap about the

vice president United States It's interesting

because I didn't realize like John Spencer who

played the, uh, I think it's the Chief of Staff.

I didn't realize how much a role Chief of Staff

actually played when it comes to president. But,

uh, Kevin, any thoughts on the West Wing? Cause

I, you know, you're another person who had this

ranked in their top 100 as well. Yeah. I had

it ranked just based on, uh, the Acclaim and

how much I respect the people that say it's good

I personally haven't seen it it along with 24

Westman kind of came out at a time where I just

wasn't watching a lot of TV I was graduate in

high school. I was off in college. I was getting

way more into movies and I just kind of Missed

a lot of that little chunk of time of television,

so I didn't see much of West Wing or 24 But I

was at least conscious of the impact they had

the ratings they had the awards they had the

followings They've had so I did rank both of

them real close together So I think it's fitting

to be on the countdown, but I can't intelligently

say where I would place it I mean, speaking to

the accolades, it did win a ton of awards. It

was one of those dominant award winners. It won

three Golden Globe Awards, 26 Emmy Awards, including

Outstanding Drama Series for four consecutive

seasons from 2000 to 2003. So it definitely had

that acclaimant It was also nearly like every

actor on the show that showed up for an hour

was nominated for best actor I'm Christian Slater

Golden Globe Basically, basically it did looking

at the award season that time and like best supporting

actor was like West Wing actors and and then

like another guy and it was like Whenever's gonna

win this one But yeah, like I said, it's my number

one show and I'll be honest it is my favorite

But I'll I legitimately felt like it was the

best show that I've ever seen and I felt like

it had the pedigree to match it as well It's

to me that the perfect matching of two things

where you have subject matter and talent Aaron

Sorkin's writing fits so perfectly within this

type of storytelling because yeah, he does happen

to write In an intellectual manner fast -paced

a lot going on and what better place to do that?

Then you know the effort center of the of the

world inside the White House and also with his

Background as a state as you know this person

who has right written stage plays In a lot of

ways West Wing was that like you could put almost

every episode on the stage and it would work

because his words were so Perfect in describing

what was going on there were wars going on across

the world and it in West Wing was never a show

that was going to show you that it was going

to show you the What's happening in the West

Wing and you wouldn't know the stakes you would

know the importance of what's going on? Because

of the reactions in the room and then the talent

of the acting Martin Sheen he was super presidential,

he had that Kennedy -like vibe. 44 people were

killed a couple of hours ago at Kenneson State

University. Three swimmers from the men's team

were killed and two others are in critical condition

when after having heard the explosion from their

practice facility they ran into the fire to help

get people out. Ran into the fire. The streets

of heaven are too crowded with angels tonight.

There are students and our teachers and our parents

and our friends. The streets of heaven are too

crowded with angels. But every time we think

we've measured our capacity to meet a challenge,

we look up and we're reminded that that capacity

may well be limitless. This is a time for American

heroes. We will do what is hard. We will achieve

what is great. This is a time for American heroes

and we reach for the stars. God bless their memory.

God bless you. And God bless the United States

of America. Great performance from Bradley Woodford,

John Spencer. I've heard people say that Aaron

Sorkin canned white women characters, and I'm

thinking those people never watched The West

Wing. Allison Janney? I know. Allison Janney,

CJ Craig, is one of the best women characters

seeing her transition from season to season.

It does go downhill after Aaron Sorkin leaves,

though I do think it picks up in season seven

when you kind of get Jimmy Spence and his run

as president as well, and it kind of gets...

a dual focus there but season five definitely

season six is a little bit it goes in some weird

directions with those some certain characters

toby toby ziegler in particular but i've watched

this show so many times and i still do and i

also think it's a show that there's a lot going

on each episode and there's so many shows where

There's a continuous storyline, but you can probably

pop in here and there and still understand what's

going on My favorite TV show episode of all time

is the season finale of season 2 2 cathedrals

has one of my favorite Like one of the epic moments

with Martin Cheen inside a church as he has a

monologue Controversy. Yeah, and very much so

and what's great about it half of it's in Latin

and it doesn't matter there's no subtitles but

you understand the emotions that's there uh again

i could i can go on forever talking about the

west wing uh i i I think, obviously, I would

wish it was higher. I'm glad it's where it is.

But Kevin, I think you might like it because

I know you love good dialogue and it's full of

it. So give it a shot. It's definitely one that's

on the radar. And this is what I'm using the

top 104 is it's creating my cue. Yeah. And it

is available for streaming on Netflix. And I

tend to watch it way too much. Whoever told you

that he doesn't know how to write women? Emily

Mortimer, Newsroom, Felicity Huffman, Sports

Night? What are you talking about? I know. Go

to my Twitter timeline. Jane Fonda newsroom.

Jane Fonda's amazing on Newsroom. Your Twitter

timeline is all kinds of fun right now, Dan.

I know. I attract the crazy people. That's what

I do. Any other thoughts on the West Wing before

we move on to the next in the countdown? Alrighty,

let's keep this show going. Coming in at number

15. We've had some modern dramas. We're continuing

the modern drama and we're getting some AMC love

as coming in at number 15 we have Mad Men with

1157 points. It's getting harder to say these

numbers if we get higher It was on 18 list as

highest ranked as number two Well, let's throw

it over to DJ. Let's start with you here on any

thoughts on Mad Men I am not a Mad Men fan. My

compatriot, Justin Polizzi on our show, he loves

Mad Men. He berates me every time, whatever you

watch, Mad Men is the greatest show. Well, he

has a deep voice in me, so I probably didn't

say it like that. But yeah, it's John Hamm. I've

seen a couple of episodes. I've never gotten

into it. I'm not a big fan. The time period,

it just never clicked with me. And I... Hear

great things about it and John Ham the episodes

I did see was good in it and not not the not

January Jones the other lady who's the man from

Drive I forget her name She was okay. I just

never got into Mad Men never my show Kevin any

thoughts on that? Well, I should have told you

to record what I said about West Wing because

you're going to have to play it like three more

times. So play it for Mad Men. You're going to

play at least, I think, at least two more times

during the countdown. But it's again, you can't

deny the popularity, the acclaim. And I'm not

at all surprised to see this in the countdown.

I'd be interested to see how people think we

get the order of these modern dramas in the top

25 either right or wrong. But I don't think too

many people could argue it's spot in the countdown.

Yeah, and it has won a grant was actually the

first we talked about with shield being nominated

for Awards and being a cable show Mad Men was

the first basic cable show to actually win the

Emmy for best drama and it did so and also John

Ham won for best performance I do the first thought

that comes to my mind when I think of Mad Men

is style but it's filed with substance and oddly

it was When I first got a Blu -ray player, one

of the first things I bought was season two of

Mad Men. And I had season one on DVD. And the

first thing I really appreciated because a Blu

-ray was Mad Men, a TV show, but the vibrant

colors, the way it would really represent that

time period as well. And I would watch this show

with my wife and she would get so angry, so much

so. Because of the way it would you know women

were treated at that time. She's like how I'm

like It's not the show was trying to represent

that time period. It's not they're not saying

it's the right thing to do That's just John Ham

likes to play around a little bit. It's kind

of what he does How do you think I feel John

Slattery's running around in blackface? I was

like what the hell is it? Exactly, exactly It

is to the time to a fault, but I do think it

is just heavy drama in some of the best ways

it's I have not watched I'm still trying to catch

up with the last season, but I from all around

the characters and in just the evolution or de

-evolution of Dom Draper as it goes on and then

the evolution of that of Peggy and their dynamic

from... Throughout the season and to Kevin thinking

might actually like it too in the way it uses

history as a backdrop It doesn't use it a great

deal It's not in the forefront, but you'll see

it affect how things go from, you know being

the 60s So Kenny's assassination to Martin Luther

King to boxing matches and things like that So

it it definitely I think it it makes you feel

like you're seeing that genre They're seeing

that time period in a way that you really didn't

see displayed in TV All right, any other thoughts

on manman before we move on to the next in the

countdown I saw that I give it credit for one

thing at the trailers they have for the next

episode The way they put those together is pretty

funny where they don't give you any information

What they give you like what a person will say

like one word? And that's it's just a montage

of people saying like one thing I thought that

was pretty clever for a trailer for next episode

So you like get to see like a taste of the episode,

but you have absolutely no idea what's going

to what's going on Well, I think for the next

in the countdown we might be repeating Kevin's

recording once again for tea Alrighty well coming

in at number 14 we have another number one going

down and another number one of someone on the

countdown DJ your Questioned it before you ask

when it was coming up. It's finally here coming

in at number 14. We have the wire with 159 points

it was only on 14 less so it's actually been

on one of the viewers list of the countdown so

far but those that ranked it ranked it rather

high DJ ranked it at number one and we also had

it number one for another person I had it at

number two as well so DJ I think we have to start

again with you here coming in at number one thoughts

on the wire just like the show itself completely

under appreciate show this amazing that didn't

get any didn't get any Emmys no never got got

nominated but it never really won any major awards

it's one of the greatest shows I've ever seen

because I remember somebody was telling me I

was in school and somebody was like hey you should

watch watch the wire You know, watch the wire.

I was like, nah, I'm good. I'm straight. I'm

not gonna watch the wire. Somebody put, you're

gonna fricking watch the wire. And they gave

me the box and I sat there, okay, I effing watch

it. All right, leave me alone. And I watched

one episode and before I knew it, it was four

o 'clock in the morning and I had burned. I like

lost half a part of my life. I could not turn

it off. It's one of the most engaging, tense.

well -written, well -performed shows I've ever

seen with child actors to old men. I mean, Michael

B. Jordan as a kid is in this show. Idris Ilba,

first time I've ever seen him. It's just great.

And I always say his name wrong. We just call

him Omar, Barack Obama's favorite character in

television history. It may be one of the greatest

characters ever. He's essentially a gay, murderous

Robin Hood. And he's kind of on the outlier of

the show. It is such a crazy show that's so well

acted. Dominic, is it Dominic West? Dominic West,

that's McDonald's. Yeah. Also, and we were talking

about Daredevil earlier, where you get to see

the way this city, I think it's, I'm pretty sure

it's Baltimore. It's definitely Baltimore, yeah.

Yeah. I don't know if they ever say it, but how

the city, these different aspects. of crime and

order and law work for the heart of the city.

It's such a well -put -together show that reinvents

itself every single season where one season we're

following mostly the cops and sometimes the robbers.

Second season we're following the robbers and

sometimes the cops. The Thursdays we're following

the port or whatever the hell. It just, I might

have got that order wrong, but it's just such

a... a good show when everybody on there brings

their A game. I mean, and there's this moments

that I can, I don't want to spoil it if you haven't

seen it, but there's this, the Muslim, the Omar,

if you shoot at the king, you best not miss.

There's stuff that's going on in that show. It's

so good. And the fact that it never got an award

for writing. It's so good. Such a good show.

Taking what you want when you want it. Willing

to use violence when your demands aren't met.

This is who you are. Why should we believe your

testimony then? Why believe anything you say?

That's up to y 'all, really. You say you aren't

here testifying against the defendant because

of any deal you made with police. True that.

That you're here because you want to tell the

truth about what happened to Mr. Gant and that

housing project parking lot. Yeah. When, in fact,

you are exactly the kind of person who would

if you felt you needed to. Shoot a man down on

a housing project parking lot and then lie to

the police about it. Would you not? And look,

I ain't never put my gun on no citizen. You are

a moral. Are you not? You are feeding off the

violence and the despair of the drug trade. You're

stealing from those who themselves are stealing

the lifeblood from our city. You are a parasite

who leeches off... Just like you, man. ...the

culture of drugs. Excuse me? What? I got the

shotgun. We've got the briefcase. It's on the

game, though, right? I think there's not a show

that can compete with it when it comes to a number

of just well -developed, interesting, intriguing

characters from top to bottom, largely because

of the change of focus that it has. Like, season

one, the major focus is that of the court system.

And then season two is the doc. Season three

is... The mirror race, season four is schools

and season five is a newspaper. And also, I'll

admit that being a Baltimorean or ever being

someone who is a resident of Baltimore and taught

in Baltimore, sometimes season four gets too

real and get a little PSD watching it at times.

I'm like, yeah, I've been there. I know exactly

what that is. And for me, what makes The wire

starts an amazing show. There's a lot of things

into the details. It's the authenticity where

it feels like, okay, this is, you know, this

is people that get it, you know, this is people

who were there. These are, it has a number of

amateur actors that really bring something new

to that cast. Uh, David Simon is, you know, a

guy who definitely has his time in Baltimore,

knew the people, knew the cops. There are a lot

of cops that are actually on that show as well

that really speak highly of the way he portrays

that lifestyle. And it. I think it's not a phony

bone and it's about everything feels genuine.

And yeah, and there's in similar to Game of Thrones

where there's no there's a couple true villains,

but in. In the wire, it's really just giving

you an understanding of where everyone's coming

from and kind of just showing you the mess everyone

is in. And it really presents it in an interesting

way. I will say those that go to watch it, it

is methodical with its pacing. It takes a while

for things to happen because it's representing

a system where it takes a while for things to

happen. So I think some people get turned off

by the fact that it's slow. And I honestly don't

think I really appreciated it. It's like the

third time I went through it. And you really

see just how it builds upon itself so much. the

season how it lays breadcrumbs here and there

that come in the progression two seasons later

three seasons later I mean and it's best season

season four you know its major character isn't

even in most of the season so there's a season

there's an episode I think is it season one where

they go it's Dominic West in the um I forget

his name Yeah, they go through a crime scene

and it's a shot for maybe four minutes and they're

breaking down the crime scene and they're talking

to each other, but the only word they're saying

together is is it fuck? I think the whole it's

four minutes long and they figure out the entire

crime. I just went fuck the whole crime scene.

It's the way they shot it. They wrote it. I guess

they wrote it really funny because it's just

one word. It's just such a I've never seen a

scene like that before. It was just amazing great

that's great Joe that's part of it too because

there's always a little sense of humor in there

too like there's a lot of like high drama but

there's always a little sense of humor but uh

uh Kevin I know I know I know that's true that

you're not super familiar with but you did rank

it any thoughts on the wire before we move on

to the next in the countdown well I think uh

it's interesting because I had The wire, the

West Wing, Mad Men and 24 are all within six

rankings of each other. And we've seen three

of them back to back. So you can just cue the

clip and we can move on. I will do that. The

beauty of editing. All right. All right. Well,

I think there's always those big surprises that

show up. And I think not many people would have

thought this show would make the top 20. But

I think people are getting happy with it for

the most part. We'll see. All righty well coming

in at number 13 It's time to light the lights

as in number 13 is the Muppet show We've had

a lot of sketch comedies, and we're getting another

one a lot different with one thousand one hundred

and ninety three points It was on 20 list as

highest ranked as number one. What's kind of

interesting though about The the Muppet show

is that it's on 20 lists. It's the most list

we've got so far But no one ranked it minus one

or two people really really high It's really

a show that benefited from a lot of people ranking

it. That's why it fell here Steve Let's start

with you here shocked to see the Muppet show

so high falling here at number 13 Not really

because a lot of us had Had caught this show

as kids. I mean for the most part or or you know

Preteens or whatever. I mean just depending on

what era but it's like the Saturday Night Live

for kids that You know you get to see muppets.

I mean, it's just it's a great show I'm not I

am kind of surprised to see it land here in particular

I would have thought that maybe it would have

been higher up on the list, but being the the

fact that it's again, making a resurgence might

have something to do with it. But no, I mean,

I'm kind of glad to see the show show up here.

Mike, any thoughts on the Muppet Show? The Muppet

Show was amazing. It just really, really is.

Everything about it was so enjoyable. And as

Steve said, for us as kids or as preteens or

whatever, This was our Saturday Night Live. It

really, really was. And just seeing who they,

you know, watching it back now, seeing who they

were able to get in those early seasons for guests,

just amazing. I absolutely love the Muppet Show.

I think my favorites, two favorite skits are

Pigs in Space and anything that The Sweetest

Chef does. He's definitely iconic Amanda is this

a product of the Muppet Bias we are known for

love in love for? That was actually my screen

name my AOL screen name when I was little I ranked

this at number 33. I definitely don't um have

a full appreciation yet for the new rendition

it's way too adult way too risque um i love holding

on to the the nostalgia of um the more wholesome

less mean -hearted um slutty version of what

it is now um i think that it who Who can't get

behind the Muppet Show? I don't understand the

person who put it at number one. I really don't.

I'm sorry. But I definitely think it's well -deserving

even in the top 25. Kevin, thoughts? We talked

a lot about sketch comedy. I don't know if this

is one you were thinking would make the list.

Something I've been doing as we've been going

through is every episode and every time that

one's revealed, I've been basically crossing

one of my shows off that I thought had no chance

now of making it. I had had a bunch cross off

that I thought had no shot and this is one of

the only, I think maybe the second time I've

had to go back and uncross it off. I did not

expect this one to show up at all. I'm very surprised

that it slanted here. I thought if this showed

up it would have been maybe in our second episode

or first episode. I mean, just because it wasn't

on a super long time and I think... People have

different favorites when it comes to the world

of Jim Henson. Some people are Sesame Street

more heavy on that. Some people love the Muppet

movies. Some people like Fraggle Rock. Some people

like, you know, there was the Muppets Tonight.

There's the Muppet Show. I personally think the

Muppet Show is probably the best thing that they

did. you could maybe put one or two of the movies

up there with it. The current Muppet Show, just

to kind of get some heat from the message boards,

I guess. The current Muppet Show, we watched

one episode and I couldn't watch anymore. Maybe

it got better, but I do not need the Muppets

making those. It didn't. That's my same opinion

of it. It didn't. The jokes and the things that

they were making the Muppets say and do, I was

actually somewhat appalled by. So I was like,

this is not something I want to see. They fired

their showrunner, didn't they? Yep. Thankfully,

he ran away from that like a fireball But the

Muppet show from the 70s and 80s and then obviously

and reruns the number of guests they were able

to get the number of Just musical stars actors

etc that they got was was awesome The whole premise

of how they did it was cool. So, I mean, I love

the show. I did not expect to see it The one

thing I'll say about the new Muppet show The

problem is the same thing what they did with

Muppets in Space. They made it about one specific

character. Whoa, don't you say anything bad about

Muppets in Space! Muppets in Space is all about

Gonzo, and Gonzo does not need his own movie

by himself. Yes he does! Hey, hey, hey, bite

your tongue! and making the show all about piggy

and her having the late show and blah blah blah

the one thing the new muppet show gets really

really cool in the beginning is the homage to

the original intro in the end where kermit says

oh time to get things started and then you hear

the little doop doop from the original theme

song um but the original muppet show is just

amazing You guys have pretty much said everything

I can think of I remember hearing someone a long

time ago I think was when Jason Segel brought

the movie back and they said the Muppets in general

are an ultimate good and I always loved the Muppets

because I don't I love any kids show that treats

kids Not like idiots and the Muppets never did

that I mean I could I guess picks us kind of

new generation of that were they make products

for children that adults can enjoy and the Muppets

were kind of a product for children that adults

could enjoy. I love the Muppet Show. I'm very

giddy it's this high. I don't think, I'm not

sure where, I can't remember. I'm pretty sure

I had it on my list, I think so, yeah. So yeah,

Muppet Show's great, I'm happy it's here. Dan,

you nailed this one 100 % when you said nobody's

gonna expect it, but everybody's gonna be happy

about it. Yeah, it's great, I love it. I'm sure

there's someone on Mr. George, we'll not be a

fan of it, but if you don't like the Muppet Show

dead inside, that's all. You're dead, you're

a black. Hearted person I could see the argument

that it's too high definitely but again it's

one where it just benefited from the fact there

is so much universal appeal for the show because

Really? There was one person that ranked it high

and then everyone else was it was around the

50s 30s or 40s or below it just that it was on

20 lists and because of that it got ranked at

number 13 so uh yeah i was actually surprised

when i was making the list i'm like making sure

i'm gunning this one right i'm like all right

well that's exactly what i would put after the

wire and west wing oh yeah of course i'm i you

know what if we saw like an updated mupper show

that would do like a skit like that i mean oh

my god i want kermit as omar so bad i'd see animals

more of an omar i would think that's true yeah

that's true All right. Well, uh, let's get we

are getting into One more to the top 10 and uh,

well, we'll see I mean this is where it's gonna

get really tough because it's no again Shouldn't

be a question of your belonging. But is it belonging

in this top echelon? So we'll see what happens

with our next in the countdown 12 Coming in at

number 12. It is daily and it is a show It is

the Daily Show with 1 ,201 points. It was on

15 lists. Again, five lists less than that of

the Muppet Show, but was ranked higher by more

people, was highest ranked as number three. Let's

see here. DJ, maybe we ended with you last time,

so we'll start with you here this time. What

are you thinking of seeing the Daily Show fall

here at number 12? It's that's super high. It's

exactly what you read. I know I just I never

thought sometimes I rank these things high because

I just wanted to get the boats to get up because

I never thought anybody else would like agree

with me. So to be fair, I ranked it higher than

you. It wasn't my. But yeah, I was I was I was

trying to get it some high because I thought

I was it was just me because The Daily Show essentially.

uh, isn't, wasn't John Stewart ranked the most

trusted newsman in the world at some point? And

it's, it's essentially, it's a show where he

just makes fun of politicians, but behind it,

it was like a heart. He had heart to it where

he wasn't like, he's being genuine with the audience.

And he just, I think that's what everybody appealed

to the show. And, and the skits were is essentially,

you know, find something you said, and then find

that you're being hypocritical about it later.

But There's some moments on The Daily Show where

John would talk to the audience and talk to the

crowd and talk to people watching and in a really

genuine way. Anytime there was a tragedy or something

like that, I would go to The Daily Show because

I know Stewart would put it in perspective that

I might not get from Fox News or MSNBC or CNN.

John Stewart would break it down to me like I

was a seven year old. He would explain it to

me like I, you know. Where I could understand

why did this happen? Well, sometimes things happen

and it's just a great Way to show news to people

that may not even give a crap about world events

politics and stuff and because it was tongue

it was firmly at the cheek and John Stewart wasn't

as let's say sardonic as a Bill Maher who's you

know, some people can take Bill Maher. Some people

hate Bill Maher because he's the, I'm smarter

than you guy. Not Stuart wasn't the smarter than

you guy. He's the, he's the, I'm one of you.

And he's presenting, he's, he's along the ride

with you in terms of your world as you're living

in it. So yeah, The Daily Show is great. Kevin,

no, it was not on your list. And I know we get

to these points where it shouldn't be if it belongs

or it doesn't belong, but do you think The Daily

Show belongs in the top 100? I can see an argument

for it being in the top 100. What was it on like

20? One season's 20 some it's been it started

in 1998 if I don't believe it's uh John sturt

was on for 16 years on the show. Yeah, I mean

so I mean good lord That's some staying power.

Uh, and I think there is something to say for

its brand of what it was doing and and kind of

the intelligence of what they were doing. I don't

have a problem with it being in the top 100.

I expected to see it, especially after we talked

about the couple shows last episode, Colbert

and, you know, with Letterman and Johnny Carson.

So, I mean, I think it's probably the most intelligent

out of all of those shows, maybe. So I don't

have a problem with it being in the top 100.

I don't think I'd put it quite this high. I think

I'd probably put it on the other side of 50,

but... Think it's like you said you can't argue

that it belongs somewhere in the top 100. I believe

Steve any thoughts on the daily show you also

had this ranked around a little lower at 30 But

you think it's too high. Are you happy with its

placements? What are your thoughts? I'm actually

quite happy of where it landed just because I

feel like for the same reasons that DJ was saying

like I felt like I could trust him more so than

He was more genuine and more real and yeah, he

was putting the comedy spin on it, but he wasn't

trying to I don't know Talk down to you. Yeah

I mean the other stations like they either talk

down to you or they gloss over something like

they're just unemotional and uncaring and He

genuinely gave a shit. So I think that that's

part of what made him so appealing and the fact

that He wasn't afraid to get dirty No, he would

get dirty more ways than one. Amanda, any thoughts

on The Daily Show? I know you hated the Coldplay

Report. Was it the same with The Daily Show?

I just don't like Jon Stewart. Nothing against

the show, really, and what it did. I don't have

my hand in a Bible right now. I just couldn't

get involved with it. I couldn't like it. I don't

think I've ever seen a full episode. It just

really wasn't my bag. Fair enough fair enough.

Yeah, I think I'll have to kind of defend mine

top things I could see that being a target for

a lot of people, but I think I I feel it's legitimate

I mean looking at the Daily Show I started watching

it not too long before John Stewart came out

when those crowd killed Warren show and it was

this it was kind of just this Off -the -wall

wacky new show. It was funny. It was fine, but

it Really, when Stewart took over, it slowly

became something more, especially in 2000 with

Indecision 2000. It kind of hit a new level and

that's where it became, it became more respected.

It's one to one to one to Peabody. Uh, it's,

you know, it's a claim is undeniable for 10 consecutive

years. It won an Emmy for best Variety show for

10 years. And it was only beaten by the Colbert

report, which it very much was the father of.

It's also a show that has launched a number of

careers from Ed Helm, Steve Carell, Steve Colbert.

Rob Riggle, Rob Cauldry, I could go on. Lewis

Black, David Tell. I could go on for a very long

time with people who, you know, very much got

their start, got their break because of The Daily

Show. And probably the show I have the best and

most relationship with, because, you know, 16,

20 years, I've changed a lot as a person, obviously,

within that time. And, you know, The Daily Show

is one I continue to stay with. It combined the

smart intelligent way of doing but also kind

of it could be goofy and dumb fun as well Uh,

it's it's been said a lot, but like stewart I'm

still trying to get used to trevonoia as as a

comedian on it. But when when stewart was was

there He was able to just we talked about with

the muppets like not treat you like a child,

but he was The wall television wasn't there.

It was just like he was talking to you as an

individual, thinking of something like, you know,

after September 11th, when his was one of the

first, when he finally came back, his was one

of the first shows that came. And DJ, like you

mentioned, after tragedy, he just had a way of

just dealing with it, being sad about it, finding

a way to find humor. at all or just if it was

just making fun of himself but it's just i don't

know his in his interviews i usually hate talk

shows when it comes to interviews i usually stop

watching them at times some of his interviews

are pretty bad when he's interviewing someone

from some like Hugh Grant because of some tv

show or movie is coming out but when he's doing

a political interview or he's interviewing one

of his comedian friends like Dennis Leary or

something like that it's usually a lot of fun

and he's When he when he cares he's a fantastic

interview like he had the interview and not before

he left with the New York Times reporter regarding

the war in Iraq war the Iraq war interview and

like it was one of the The best interviews of

that topic and it came from the Daily Show a

comedy show So, uh, I don't know I can go again

similar with the West Wing and go on forever

talking about the Daily Show some may argue it's

too high, but I think if you I think it's legacy

is only gonna gain and Who knows what's gonna

happen now that he laughed I think Trevor Noah

still kind of finding himself a little bit with

it But uh, you know, I think it's a good hand.

So Alright any other thoughts before we move

on to number 11 Alrighty alright, let's move

on again to the final one before we get into

our top ten Again, this is where we're getting

into Does it belong in the top 10? I i'm really

curious about a number 11 I think some may argue

it should be higher I don't think anyone's gonna

argue. It should be lower for the most part,

but coming in at number 11 We have the sopranos

with 1200 and five points It only beat the daily

show by four points. It was on 16 last It was

number one for one person another number one

going down DJ let's move over to you on this

one. Any thoughts on the sopranos? I um I saw

the first three seasons of Sopranos and I dropped.

For me to get into a gangster show, I mean, and

again, I know the Sopranos is one of the most

acclaimed shows that I've seen in my generation.

It kind of lost its way for me. But I mean, James

Gandolfini, God rest him, he was great on that

show. Lane Brock was great on that show. I think

it picked up near the end. But I kind of fell

off in the middle of it, but it's the first season.

I loved it. I was like, Oh, this is like, I'm

watching like a good fellas show. This is great.

But I think what was the season where Joey pants

came on board? Yeah, that was the season where

I was kind of like, really. See, I loved it because

he came on. I thought he was a cool character.

He was the one that was obsessed with gladiator

if I remember correctly. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,

it's a matter what I I'm very particular in certain

things where I might get complacent about a show.

But I know it's it was a great show. The first

season I love and James Gandolfini any episode

I turned on he was he was that the show is probably

going to define this career is that that character

Tony Soprano. It's amazing. So that So yeah Sopranos

is it was one of the greats and I think it HBO

is already on the map at that point But man it

came it rejuvenated in a huge way HBO was on

the map, but Sopranos transcended it Transcended

it launched it whatever you want to kind of Sopranos

essentially did for HBO what the shield did for

FX with launching FX's original series and the

Sopranos was just so damn good whether it's a

gangster show or not which obviously it is but

it's one of those things where there are certain

shows that you have certain characters that you

really root for whether they're hero or villain

this was a show that basically broke all of that

it didn't matter if it was hero or villain because

you wanted to like Tony Soprano you wanted to

root for that character um and The show was just

amazing. I remember my aunt may she rest in peace

and my uncle They used to watch this show Every

time it came on every single week. That's all

they talked about was soprano's this soprano's

that and everything The show was just amazing

And you're actually not too far off to you had

it at 26 Do you think it's a little too high

or you think it's at a good spot? Is it 11? No,

I think it's in a good spot. I just I don't know

I wish it was almost top five, maybe at number

five or six, only because of the fact that it

did so much and it affected so many lives. Like

I said, my aunt and uncle could not when it was

airing. This is one of those shows before the

internet, all that stuff. But this was one of

those shows that if you watched it the next day,

You essentially had a family meeting to talk

about. You essentially did a podcast before it

was even a thing, you know, just having a discussion

with your other family members that watched the

show. I mean, this is one of those, I guess you

could say office water cooler kind of shows where

every time you go into work the next day, everybody

was talking about it. And the way they developed

the character of Tony Soprano, the way they did

Edie Falco's character, even the kids. Jamie

Lynn Descala and oh god, what's the son's name?

I can't remember. Oh crap, he was in Daredevil

the movie. Yes, that's what I wanted. Stole my

line. I was like, hey, wait a minute. What's

Tony Soprano Jr. doing in Daredevil? But this

show is one of Easily one of the best of all

time top ten at least I mean, I know it's just

missing it by a hair, but oh absolutely awesome

Kevin looking at like the modern comedies or

modern dramas that we have so far with the Sopranos

the wire Mad Men West Wing Game of Thrones kind

of the order the backwards order that we have

Do you think people are gonna think we got that

order right? I mean, I think there's gonna be

debates. There's purple first off Doc and Marty

must have brought me the internet before the

rest of you guys But yeah, I mean, I think that

Sopranos might benefit a little bit from being

more of that show that would kind of ushered

in, like you guys were saying, a different era

of TV maybe, even though it was airing alongside

some of the shows that you mentioned. I think

maybe in time it'll drop a little bit lower.

But I could also say that maybe with those rush

of shows that we've had over the last five to

six years that maybe Sopranos lost a little bit

already. Maybe it kind of was forgotten a little

bit by some and, you know, people now view wire

or like you with West Wing or, you know, somebody

with maybe eventually Game of Thrones might be

ranking them higher. I think it just kind of

depends on what. type of show what genre of show

you like better do you like mobster you know

shows better do you like your fantasy swords

and sorcery better do you like more realistic

political type stuff better i think there's going

to be some debate about the order of it but i

don't think there's ever going to be a consensus

with the shows you listed as to which one's better

which one's worse etc so i think they're all

deserving of being in the conversation and i

definitely don't see Sopranos as top 10 material

like Mike, but I cannot argue against it being

top 25. I think it definitely deserved to be

talked about in today's episode. It debuted in

99. And I'm sorry, my grandparents did not have

a computer with the internet in 1999. That was

back in the day where, you know, you needed a

hell to get online, man. You've got mail. Yeah,

I see actually I did have sopranos in my top

ten I do think it's a top ten show for sure not

just because it I mean it's placed in you know

aspect not just an HBO But if you look at you

know, we talked about that in today We have a

golden age of TV people talk about it a lot like

what shows brought that along to me There the

two shows one of them we talked about already

with the West Wing and the other being the sopranos

I think brought the type of drama that you can

do in television to another level and I think

what's interesting about sopranos It's a mobster

show, but at the heart of it, it's really a family

drama. Uh, at least for the early on where it's

really Tony soprano trying to work out his issues

with his own mother, with his kids, trying to

have that, uh, deal with the dichotomy being

a dad and also being a mobster and having how

they deal with it. You know, there's mobster

elements as well, but I always found that to

be the most intriguing. It's like, it's like

watching a classic show from the fifties being

a family show, but it's about mobsters or something

like that. But in, in, you know, James Gandolfini

is just such a legit actor. That guy is just

a force. You know, Augustus. Are you fucking

with me? No. Octavian became Augustus. Forget

about that. Bottom line, Augustus was a Caesar.

Not everybody loved him, right? You know why?

I don't know that I give a fuck. Everybody loved

him because he never ain't alone. It was the

longest time of peace in Rome's history. He was

a fair leader, and all his people loved him for

that. Just the one that they stabbed in the back?

No, that was Julius. Talking about Augustus.

He shared his wealth, and all his people loved

him. You said that three fucking times. I heard

it. These people love them. What's your fucking

point? You remember the story you told me about

the father bull talking to the son? They're up

on this hill. They're looking down at a bunch

of cows. And the son goes to the father, Dad,

why don't we run down there and fuck one of these

cows? Now, you remember what the father said?

The father says, son, why don't we walk down

there and fuck them all? I told you that. Why

don't we fuck them all? That's funny. Okay, I

get your point. Why don't you just come out with

it instead of all this fucking Augustus -like

garbage? I'm always impressed when you have a

genre, we talked about it with like Deadwood,

and a genre that has done so much, monster movies

have it done so much, it's a genre that's so

well -worn, when you can find new... in interesting

ways of displaying that genre or going after

that genre or trying to like revitalize that

genre in smart ways. I'm always impressed when

people can do that, which is what I found with

Sopranos. So again, it has its claim 21 prime

time Emmy Awards, five Golden Globes. It probably

would have won more Emmy Awards if it wasn't

for the West Wing because there were the two

shows kind of going head to head each year. But

I was going to say, I think if we did like if

we ever did a list of like top 100 live -action

TV characters, I think Tony Soprano would definitely

be on that list. For sure, for sure. All righty.

Well, any other thoughts before we move on to

the the Elite 10 of the countdown? Just think

of it this way. It's Lorraine Bracco as his therapist.

She was in Goodfellas, people, come on now. I

think there's a lot of people out there that

are starting to get nervous because there's only

10 spots left and I think a lot of people have

a lot of shows they still want to see. So it's

going to be interesting here. Yeah, yeah, it's

uh, yeah, I'm sure we're I feel the angry comments

being written as we speak All righty, let's get

in there without any further ado. Let's get into

our top ten Starting off our top ten sometimes,

you know You just want to go where everyone knows

your name because at number 10, we have Cheers.

It was on 15 list highest ranked as number three

was total points of 1236. Again, we didn't have

a lot of 80s comedy, but we're getting another

one here. Kevin, we ended with you last time.

Let's start with you here. You had this in your

top 10. It's in the top 10. You happy where it's

placing? Yeah, I mean, I had it at number 7 and

it's at number 10, so I can't complain too much

about that. I think this is a comedy of a generation

here. Anybody that was an adult or a TV watcher

in the 80s... Cheers is one of those shows that

they watched it was I believe nominated for an

Emmy almost every single year that existed in

fact I'm almost positive. It's every year nine

out of its seven out of its eleven seasons It

was in the top ten TV rated shows It was number

one on one of those years. So it has the ratings.

It has the awards It was definitely popular and

talked about I know none of those three are enough

to make it on its list alone but I think just

for the generational impact and also for I don't

want to put Cheers and Friends in the same sentence

but I'm going to because in the same way that

we were talking about Friends is kind of that

ensemble cast from the 90s in a different way

Cheers is that ensemble cast in the 80s it wasn't

your typical Comedy family thing or you know

your prototypical sitcom type thing it was an

ensemble cast with one setting basically and

Again if we were talking about some of the most

iconic episodes or some of the most memorable

episodes in TV history at least At least one

of them would be coming from Cheers Mike I know

last time we did talk about Cheers. I know it

wasn't on your list, but any thoughts on seeing

it fall in the top ten? It's well -deserved I

mean Cheers for me someone coming, you know being

born in Massachusetts and the whole bar thing

was in Massachusetts and Sam Malone as a character

played for the Red Sox and all that and What

I didn't like about Cheers as it went on was

the constant cast changes. I mean and sorry Christie

Alley is alright, but she's no Shelley long The

chemistry between Kirstie Alley and Ted Danson

was okay, but it was better with the other two.

Like I said last time, you know, you had Frasier,

you had Cliff, you had Norm. I mean, hell, Cliff

and Norm eventually became toys of their own

in Toy Story, you know, so you got that. I think

the coolest episode that I remember off the top

of my head. Was when Carla decided to get revenge

on her old teacher and shave half her head basically

Chanel That was amazing But absolutely love Cheers.

Yeah, Amanda any thoughts on Cheers? definitely

Before my time they were just at the bar the

whole time right that's the only set that they

had was just at the bar i was no there were a

couple other sets there was sam's apartment diane's

apartment there were a few other sets but they

were mainly at the bar yeah well all i remember

is the bar and i was fucking bored with that

um i was seven i didn't get to go to the bar

like what's a bar this this show technically

though if we want to be real guys this show gets

on our countdown for the theme song alone Yeah,

so very true very true DJ I know last week you

talked about your weren't we talked about Frasier

once the biggest Cheers fan But you have an issue

with it falling in the top ten. I get it I mean

I get I'm a Frasier guy and I was I Was old enough

to watch it. I just again. I was probably too

young to get it but when Frasier came out I got

that and I And the whole love triangle thing

with him and Frasier and Shelley, it was just

like, eh, okay. But with Frasier, I think that

type of show was more my speed than yours. But

again. But Woody. Woody Harrelson. Yeah. I used

to I used to hate him on that show. And I love

everything he does. And coach to coach was awesome.

Yeah, yeah. It was just never it was never a

show for me. But again, I get it. Cheers is one

of those staples. So yeah, I can understand.

Yeah, in like Kevin mentioned, it was definitely

a show of a generation. I had it at number 15,

so I'm not right here with this. I think it definitely

is deserving. It was, again, an awards darling.

It actually was nominated for 111 Emmy nominations.

I think you just made that up. No, it's legit.

All of the Emmys. It won all the Emmys. It won

only 20 times, but it was nominated for 111.

7 million Emmy nominations. It's still getting

nominated to this day. They still nominate it.

But yeah, and 31 Golden Globe nominations. It

was highly popular. It was highly well received.

So it is streaming on Netflix. For those who

have not seen it, you can't check it out. So

unless you're bored with bars, and then maybe

you won't like it. But I don't know. Alright,

well any thoughts on cheers before we move on

to number nine? Alrighty well, let's get into

the next in the countdown died Well, we started

with one the top ten with 1980s comedy and we're

getting even older with another classic comedy

coming in at number nine we have all in the family

with 1246 points. It was highest ranked as number

three. It was on 17 last Kevin You were the highest

ranker of this so I will start with you here

thoughts on all in the family I I mean it's in

the top ten can't get too angry but Guessing

thinking this should definitely be a top five

show taking away meathead Don't know who that

is that you're referring to but um, no, I thank

god we have this in the top ten good lord we

would have had a hillstorm of anger and people

coming after if this was not in that least in

the top ten, but I mean again As much as the

Cheers is a generational show for the 80s, All

in the Family is a generational show for the

70s. It ran the entire decade, basically starts

at the beginning, ends at the end. A bunch of

awards darlings as well, just kind of like Cheers.

Man, there's not many shows that can say that

they were the number one rated show in the country

five years, and All in the Family is one of those.

Have you been reading Playboy? No, Irene, the

Bible. The Bible? The Bible. And in the Bible

it says, God made man his own image. He made

women after from a rib. Cheaper cut. doing the

same work as a man. And if he was getting paid

$6 an hour, why should I get $5 .50? Because,

Irene, you're getting what? You're getting $5

.50 an hour? Oh, gee, that's exactly what they're

paying you. What they're paying me? There goes

your rib theory. And there goes the whole country,

meathead. When you see the data, they're giving

women the same pay as men and giving women the

same jobs. Where the hell is it all going to

end? What are you going to say when a woman is

managing the Mets? I'll say we have equality,

right? Right. Right, Michael? Let's think about

that a minute. I don't need to say anything about

All in the Family. Everybody knows what All in

the Family is, knows why it deserves to be on

this list, and I'm just happy that we have it

in the top ten. I don't care which spot it's

at. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I it was

funny because I watched a lot a lot of classic

TV going up My parents like to live in the past

I was not allowed to watch all in the family.

So it was uh, you know because of you know, Archie

Bunker He was a bigot, but he was also an amazing

character and Definitely I would say it's a type

of character where you can't get away with today

But maybe we could with some TV, but uh, I don't

know like it like you said I am super happy.

It is where it is It's within the top ten. Like

I said, I had it at five There's certain things

that we can do today with comedy that you get

away with like cursing and whatnot but when it

talks when you get into like dealing with other

issues, sometimes where you're a little bit more

shaky. So I don't know if he can make All in

the Family today, but it's definitely a show

that was certainly important for a number of

reasons. You had spin -offs like the Jefferson,

so it has had a lot of other spin -offs after

All in the Family, so it's had some revival series

as well. Steve, I'll move over to you. You had

this on your list, but you had it at the other

end, so what are your thoughts of seeing it here

falling in within the top 10? I'm glad it's here.

I mean, it definitely deserves to be on the list.

No matter where it's placed, I think that it's

pretty iconic in and of itself. And yeah, most

everybody's heard of it. So I really don't think

that there's much to explain there. But yeah,

I'm glad that it showed up. Yeah, it's like finding

out Michael Jordan's in your top 10. That's the

place of all time if you're in the top ten baseball

players of all time you might Yeah, there might

be a problem there. Yeah, there might be a huge

Top ten Chicago White Sox DJ any thoughts on

all of the family? Yeah, this show was way ahead

of his time and I remember watching this Yeah

back when I was you know 73 years old no The

thing about this show is it makes you fall in,

I guess, fall in love with this guy. And he's

one of the most reprehensible people on the planet.

He's an asshole. Essentially, he's a, you know,

racist asshole. And, uh, I still like, I still,

I still love them. And, and this show kind of

ruined Rob Ryder for me for a little while. Cause

I was like, wait, Meatheads directing this movie.

And then you know, it was like Princess Bride

directed by Rob Wright. But no, it's such a good

show. I didn't I think I was more akin to I was

a Jeffersons fan and the Jeffersons was a spinoff

of the show. So if you ever want to have a treat,

just watch George Jefferson and Archie Booker

have a conversation. It's probably one of the

funniest things you'll see. Amanda any thoughts

before we move on to the next in the countdown?

I don't care about the hate I'm about to give

for this statement should have been family matters

And brave I gotta say brave I feel like this

is an episode of candid camera except for audio

right now I think Steve Urkel has the right gun

points. They say they say family matters. They

say it's gonna win. Hey I didn't I didn't watch

all the family. I watch family matters. So that's

where my Just because they both have family in

the title I am justifying that because I have

Family Matters in my top 25 and I think that

it should... I would back you if, you know, Reginald

Bell -Johnson was playing Al Powell. That would

be awesome! But he's playing Karl Winslow so

I have to back away. I always assumed they were

in the same universe because I would just want

to see John McLean meet up with Steve Urkel.

Oh god, I would pay money. I would too. Cash

money. Steve Urkel is the limo driver. You're

very fast, our guy. Hey, John, I need you to

get this thing for me. All righty, well, I think

that we talked about having a show with reprehensible

characters that might happen again with our number

eight. Ironically, we know we had Roseanne and

married children kind of thought that had the

head and these are very different shows when

I own family in this but I think Definitely you

can see influences as coming in at number eight

It's their first animated show of this portion

of the countdown with South Park 1395 points.

It was on 19 less didn't rank number one for

one person Amanda you had this in your top 20

as well So I know you probably would rather this

be family matters. But what are your thoughts?

You're damn right. I have South Park at number

19. I've seen so much South Park. It's ridiculous.

There's a reason why there's so many seasons

of the show. It's another one of those that tackles

those sensitive topics or the now topics that

everybody is talking about or curious about.

or are just, you know, too scared to bring up.

Even making fun of fucking Canadians. Like, I

love that. Let's have our audience up. Hey, hey.

But let's not talk about that. I think that there's

a lot of controversy, of course, that surrounds

this, but... I always got a kick out of it. Baby

Fox McGeezex from the Pinewood Derby episode

slayed me. That's one of the newer episodes,

but I find a lot that I can always have fun with,

and I'm not ashamed to know the words to Mr.

McGeezex's book. Nothing to be ashamed of. Mike

any thoughts on South Park falling here at number

eight you think it's a little too high or do

you think it's You know, what are your what do

you feel about South Park coming in in our top

ten? I remember when South Park first debuted

One of the biggest things Cartman ever said was

knock off that tree hug and hippie crap that

was used at radio stations everywhere that week

South Park is a show that Essentially takes pop

culture, makes fun of it, and makes a lesson

out of it all at the same time. That's very timely

of a show. And like we said a few, I think we

said it either last time or the episode before

last week, where... Even today they can take,

you know, you know, you talk about, you know,

DJ, we talk about law and order ripped from the

headlines. This is exactly what South Park does.

It's the comedy version of rip from the headlines.

Yeah, yeah, except they, except they rip up the

headlines. They don't, it's not ripped from,

they rip them up and they basically, like the

most recent episode that I had seen was the,

uh, the Yelp episode. I was like, Oh my God.

But everything that. Trey Parker and Matt Stone,

I almost mixed the names up again. Everything

they've done with the show is just absolutely

amazing. Even if it is an animated show, it definitely

deserves to be here. I don't watch it all the

time. I catch episodes here and there. I used

to watch it a lot, you know, a few years ago.

But if there's an episode with a really hot button

issue, you know, being lamb based, I will most

definitely watch it. Definitely. Steve, any thoughts

on South Park? I used to be in avid watcher the

show I just I haven't recently but that's because

I don't have the channel but I do see the the

critical acclaim behind it and the fact that

it's it's still ongoing and the fact that one

they can do the most timely with their their

information stuff that they're hitting with the

news or with the the pop culture or anything

else because they they produce a lot of episodes

pretty you know, much on the fly compared to

Simpsons where you'll have to wait six months

for a payoff. Well, yeah, Simpsons should wait

six months for an episode to be animated. South

Park, they get the episode done in six days.

Yeah, turnover rate is ridiculous. Especially

when half the voices are the creators. But what

about the guests that they do have? I mean, or

like the the the celebrities that they put on

there? I mean, Mel Gibson. You guys remember

Mel Gibson in this? Was that actually Mel Gibson?

I know George Clooney was the dog. I don't think

Mel Gibson was actually on it. No, their portrayal

of Mel Gibson. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's

no way that Mel Gibson would agree to do that.

I was like, if Mel Gibson actually did that,

I might turn my opinion to him. He's too busy

calling people sugar tits to really get in on

it. You know, this show is... One and a half

seasons or two seasons away of beating Law and

Order as far as a longest running primetime show.

Because it's got 19 seasons at this point. Dick

Wolf better get on top of that. He's too busy

in Chicago with Fire and PD and Med. DJ, it's

not too far off from you. You rank so far. So

thoughts on it? Seeing here at number eight.

A show that's this offensive and mean -spirited

and just... just in your face, not giving a shit.

And it's still this smart, this crazy to me.

I mean, I, I, I test for me personally, it has

one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard, which

is the nagger's joke from Wheel of Fortune. I

laugh every single time. It is not just the payoff

because the payoff is Perfect. It's the black

cameraman who leans over when he's looking waiting

for Stan's father to say it. The show, every

time I think they're just making like poop jokes

or, you know, shit jokes. No, they will do that,

of course, and they'll kill Kenny, but then they'll

say something that's really, really intelligent.

They'll look at it in a way where you're like,

damn, that's actually exactly what I was kind

of... only around my head, but they just put

it in a way where I couldn't say it. The show

is hilarious. And when they take out shows like

Family Guy and Simpsons, which, I mean, I started

as a Simpsons person, but I kind of leaned toward

South Park when I got older because it's just,

I don't know, Simpsons became a malaise where

South Park was always edgy. It was never, it

was never pulling punches. It was right in your

face. And like, it's never not been. Yeah. From,

from, from the first episode to now, it's just,

I don't believe they're going to say that. I

don't believe they're talking about shit. I don't

believe this person. Mr. Hat and, uh, what was

the, uh, Mr. Slave, this stuff. They're mixing

with Akira. It's like, what are you, are you

kidding me? It's like, yeah, you're probably

never going to see a show as originally as original

as a, as a South park, not for a while. And you're

never gonna have a lunchroom monitor better than

Chef, especially with Isaac Hayes behind his

voice. Scientology be damned, he was great. Don't

say that too loud, they're listening. Scientology

be damned, he was great. Kevin, question for

you. I mean, we had an idea we'd see animated

shows, but are you surprised? We got a lot of

them and surprised we're seeing South Park so

high. Yeah, I thought we'd only get like two

or three on this whole list. I'm surprised at

how many we got. I think South Park is a show

that our parents' generation will never understand

how intelligent or clever it was. Everybody at

that time just saw it on the surface value, and

like everybody said, it's so clever, it's so

intelligently written, and the social commentary

is so right on. I think I wouldn't put it in

the top ten, but... If we had not ranked it higher

than Beavis and Butthead, Futurama and Family

Guy, I think we would have been in trouble. So

I'm glad it showed up. Yeah, I mean, I I'm usually

one that says like number of seasons is not a

big deal. But for South Park, to me, it is because

very rarely can a show go like seven seasons

and still. be high caliber and South Park still

does that they still have great episodes they

may be not be as uh as many great episodes per

season but still and also still like in the zeitgeist

and talked about people it's one of those shows

people cite in debates but it's like well South

Park they portrayed this perfectly so it's like

you know you see it all the time I know the PC

principle was a big one recently and my only

my only concern with South Park though is that

is it too much in the now where Where it is that

six eight turn around is it just hit a story

that like in three years from now You're watching

it and like I don't even know what this is referring

to so it won't have the same impact you do You

do run that risk. I think so. I think that would

be a knock against it But I think it's also south

park essentially is a time capsule Everybody

in high school at one point or another did a

time capsule That's essentially what the first

18 seasons of south park are and then you know

going forward season 1920 how it does get It

ends up being, even if you watch an episode from

season 19, three years from now, you can go back

and be like, oh, that was what the world was

like. We were all about the Yelp reviewers, or

we were all about the Apple end user agreement,

or what was the one? Warcraft. The what? Yeah,

the Warcraft. That is one of the best. There

was one. Oh, damn it. The no, I think that was

the apple one with the centipede. Yeah Yeah,

but I mean that I I think that's the beauty of

it is it doesn't Everyone always says that certain

shows are you know? A product of their times

the South Park is that but it's also I think

it's more of a looking glass than anything else

We're taking point taken all right any other

thoughts on South Park before we move on to the

next the countdown naggers Naggers oh Naggers

Already let's move on to the next in the countdown

I'm not sure what how this is gonna go with some

people in the countdown tonight because it's

a show I know it's very special for a lot of

people that are speaking right now coming in

at number seven. We have Star Trek Enterprise

no Star Trek 1436 points it was on I was highest

was on 20 lists as highest ranked as number three

You know what Steve? I got to start with the

person who has a Star Trek podcast Star Trek

generation coming in top 10 you happy to see

it here Absolutely, I out of all of the Star

Trek shows. I'm definitely glad this is the one

that shows up in the top 10 I This is probably

to me one of the strongest written and casted

Star Trek shows overall. Perhaps they're all

remembering that old saying, power corrupts.

And absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do you

believe I haven't thought of that, Jean -Luc?

And have you noticed how you and I are now on

a first -name basis? Number one. Will. Something

has happened already. Yes, the original series

was iconic, but I think this one even kind of

one -ups it. Because without this, they would

never have had the rest of the movies. They would

never have had DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. And

I think that it just has the most staying power

as well as the fact that it had been Emmy nominated

for several episodes. I think it won for a couple

of them, like best of both worlds. But it's it's

it's I find it the most intelligent and in. Uplifting

Star Trek show out of all of them because it's

it's just a lot of it's the cast in the writing

Kevin I know you are another huge Star Trek fan.

This was in your top ten happy to see it fall

here at number seven Yeah, I'm super happy that

it's in the top ten I'm actually shocked that

20 people had this on their list because I always

thought that Star Trek was something that you

either liked or there was a lot of people out

there that didn't really care for us. I'm happy

that 20 people listed this. I definitely think

it deserves to be in the top 10. It definitely

deserves to be way higher than the other Star

Trek entries that we already had in the top 100.

And I guess my biggest argument in support of

this is not those modern action and drama shows.

Notwithstanding that I mentioned that I haven't

seen enough of like The Wire and West Wing, etc.

Can't comment on those but out of all of these

other shows that we're talking about This is

probably one of the most intelligently written

shows that we're talking about I mean the the

storytelling that they do the concepts that they

tackle the Metaphors and analogies and stuff

that they draw to different, you know how they

relate it to different things in life are really

great Like Steve said the characters you can't

bet against Patrick Stewart. I mean, are you

kidding me? So there's just a lot to love about

this and one thing that it did do is it was for

the most part pretty consistent. I mean any show

that's on seven seasons is going to have a stinker

episode here or there but overall it didn't seem

that it ever really had like an entire season

where you're like well that season kind of was

in the toilet. It was it was pretty high caliber

throughout so I'm super happy that it's top 10.

I mean, I know when we talked about the original

series, you said you're a Picard girl. So are

you happy to see Picard in the number seven?

Yeah, I'm not surprised to see it in the the

top 10 here. I've got it at twenty one just because

I don't remember too much about individual episodes.

But. It definitely stuck with me. I remember

the look and the feel and how much I was engaged

and how much fun I had with it. So I'm glad to

sit here and no surprise that it made its way

to the top 10 in the geek centric list. Reading

Rainbow represented. Take a look. I combine those.

That's why it's so high. I did not do that. Don't

don't. I did that. My thoughts on Star Trek The

Next Generation. This was my first Star Trek

show as a kid in 87 88 and I had seen a number

of episodes over and over and over again it actually

took Steve we were Trying to get done and we

will eventually get it done eventually we're

trying to do a movie spotlight on an M wire for

the Star Trek films and He told me to Which episode

was it that you told me to go watch the one with

Scotty? What's the episode called? I know I'm

not the yeah he told me to go watch relics and

i go watch it and i thought the episode was great

and the best joke out of the whole series with

the original cast was my ship was the original

enterprise we didn't need any a b c no he said

he was he was contacting the holodeck and said

oh buddy a b c or d yeah That's absolutely awesome.

But I remember this as a kid watching Jonathan

Frakes as number one, watching LeVar Burton as

Geordie, watching Michael Dorn as Worf, and obviously

John Luke Picard with Patrick Stewart. And this

show just reshaped a lot of people's minds to

Star Trek, because as we've already said, this

show lasted what, seven years? Yep. Seven seasons?

Seven seasons, four movies. Yeah, yeah, that's

the other thing I had seen like voyage home and

undiscovered country and final frontier I had

seen bits and pieces of those as a kid, but first

contact was the very first Star Trek movie I

ever actually went to the theater and see And

without this show that movie would have never

happened and honestly without this show we wouldn't

have the awesomeness that is DS 9 All right DJ

any thoughts on Star Trek next generation Well,

I think I may have said this before. I was raised

at gunpoint as a Kirk guy. My stepfather was

like, you'll like Kirk. Oh, you're going to fucking

like him. But as like, you know, I got older,

I started to appreciate Picard because at first

at the study was, oh, he's the old stick in the

mud guy. But the whole the whole Bork thing really

gave him character. And then when it got into

I found out that Spoiler alert, I guess. The

whole situation, I'll tap dance around it. The

whole situation between him and Cisco on Deep

Space Nine, I thought that was, it just gave

him more character and I started to appreciate

him. I'm still a Kirk, guys. Step that, don't

kill me. But I do appreciate Picard and Patrick

Stewart is a pimp. There's no way around it.

Patrick Stewart will always be a pimp. The man

doesn't age, for Christ's sake. And the show,

I liked... the transition it is for the movie.

Some of the shows I caught sporadically, but

because of its longevity, which far surpasses

the original show. The original show's bread

and butter is the film, it's not the show, but

it has to, I can see it being honest. I don't

think it should be this high. I don't think it

should be higher than The Wire, but I mean, it's

a good show. I think I would have had it a little

bit lower than this. I mean does have some of

them it was the first show that syndicated showed

to be nominated for an Emmy so that similar to

Mad Men being the first show them went for being

a basic cable show so it did it did break that

ground in seven seasons, but All right any other

thoughts on Star Trek before we move on to number

six? 15 years ago imagine when the news came

out in 2000 that John looked Captain John Luper

card was going to be professor Xavier All right,

well for number six, I think number six might

be a surprise but I'm obvious I'm kind of surprised

It's gonna be a surprise if that makes any sense.

I don't know. All right, let's see how it goes

Coming in at number six. We are about to enter

a zone the Twilight Zone and in at number six

with fourteen hundred and fifty three points

It was on 19 less a high is ranked as number

one by two people So similar to the wire which

was number one for two people. This was also

number one for two people Actually, Amanda. I

will start with you because you had this ranked

on your list as well You should probably see

the Twilight Zone coming in here at number six

So quite a bit off from my spot here. I do think

that it's super iconic and Fun show definitely

not surprised. It's ending up on this list geek

centric or not every time I drive in the snow

and at night when you're Driving with the lights

on and there's no streetlights and it looks like

that that warp I'd play the Twilight Zone song

in my head and Get a little freaked out, but

I think that it I want to say it was revolutionary.

I don't know because I wasn't living in that

time period It deserves a spot on the list, but

I don't know about this high number one two two

people ranked at number one Kevin any thoughts

on the Twilight song I was trying to figure out

what the one surprise show was that was gonna

make our top ten because I Didn't have it listed.

I'm like, I know every other show that's gonna

show up and then there's one spot that I don't

have filled So this is it. I think Twilight Zone

I did not rank it, but I totally can see it being

in the top 100 I can even make see people making

an argument for top 25 Especially with a geek

centric list. I'm a little shocked that people

have this ranked number one and I think maybe

top ten is a slight Push to be this high but

I can see an argument for the top 25 so I don't

have a big issue with it See actually I had it

at number three and I think it is a top ten show

because if you look at influence I think it's

It's a show that's influenced probably more so

when it comes to the realm of television storytelling

movies Than any other TV show. I mean Look at

directors like Spielberg and from more so than

any Look at twilight zone and story telling techniques

more so than anything You know so much so that

when they had the movies in the 80s They wanted

to take part of it if you were to look at the

best television episodes ever I guarantee you

if you did that list that twilight zone would

probably have up there as many as any other shows.

It's storytelling, it's ability to create brilliant

short stories episode per episode. It was unlike

anything, it's still today to that level. You

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be, but one that might be. This is not a new

world. It is simply an extension of what began

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every dictator who has ever planted the ripping

imprint of a boot on the pages of history since

the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological

advances and a more sophisticated approach to

the destruction of human freedom. But like every

one of the super states that preceded it, it

has one iron rule. Logic is an enemy and truth

is a menace. Any state any entity any ideology

that fails to recognize the worth the dignity

the rights of man That state is obsolete a case

to be filed under M for mankind in the Twilight

Zone I mean it's so many shows have period it

used From we just talked about Star Trek the

next generation There are many episodes of that

show that are based on shows that came in because

of the Twilight Zone Same thing with South Park

same thing with other shows. It's kind of this

Flower that many people go back to to to then

retell I mean there's been so many movies that

have been made based upon Twilight Zone episodes

so many TV shows that I've used it too So I do

think it's worthy of the top ten and I think

maybe people don't they think oh It's a sci -fi

show But if you go back and watch it it was high

caliber Storytelling from television show that

was on caliber of other science fiction being

told at the time of anything That's probably

better than most of science fiction movies at

that time. No Dan did you have Alfred Hitchcock

presents in your top 10 too then? I did not I

had that in my top 25. Do you think there's much

of a separation though between the impact or

the effect that either one of those had? Definitely

I think Twilight Zone is you know if Hitchcock

had its impact but it's not nearly to the level

of the Twilight Zone. I think I need to go back

and revisit both because it's been a long time

since I've seen either one. Did you see the um

the newer vibed one of the Twilight's owner I

think um are you speaking English what's what's

his nuts from 98 degrees was actually on there

and so was Jessica Simpson I didn't see it now

Nick Lachey was actually why did we just mention

those two people why do I know that name so so

easily yeah uh there was two there was that revival

series there's one in the 80s as well I do think

sometimes people There might be a misunderstanding

of how great it was just to show you. I mean,

Writers Guild of America in 2013 rated it the

third best written TV show of all time. TV Guide,

50 greatest TV shows of all time, it ranked within

that, within their top 25. TV guys did a hundred

greatest episodes of all time and it has three

in the top 11. There is a huge amount of respect

out there for it. And I think people just, I

don't know, maybe it's a novelty that people

think it was, but really it's, I think maybe

a little underappreciated, but anyways. Also

could depend on if people value more of the individual

stories and individual writing like that versus

maybe some other people who like the overarching,

you know, five season continuity storytelling

mode. You know what I mean? So I think some people

could gravitate one way or the other. I'm not

saying I'm either way. I just need to go back

and revisit it because I haven't seen it probably

in over a decade at least. I think it's still

on Netflix and in Amazon Prime if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know. I think it's quite the show. And

like you said, that could be because a lot of

people think of TV, they think of character building,

but surely the Twilight Zone, that's definitely

not happening. So though you could blame it that

he may have given us M. Night Shyamalan because

he seems to try to model his endings off of the

Twilight Zone. So that could be could be a negative.

But Steve or Mike, any thoughts on the Twilight

Zone? No, I haven't seen much of it. But what

I have seen of it, of course, the old shorts,

you know, black and white and everything. And

I Love the the stuff that I've seen of it. There's

no denying that it's had a impact on Not only

the kind of like horror kind of mind screwing,

you know thriller type Sci -fi it's got a nice

mix of everything in it So I can definitely see

the appeal for it and the reason that it's ranked

this high DJ, any other thoughts before we move

on to the next in the countdown? Pretty much

whatever you guys are saying. It's influenced

so many things. I'm not a big, I'm not really

big into this genre, but I've seen the William

Shatner one, which was great, and the Talking

Tina, which is essentially Chucky. And without

Twilight Zone, we wouldn't have Black Mirror.

I don't know if anybody's seen Black Mirror.

That show is ridiculous and essentially is taking

a lot from what the Twilight Zone's doing. So

yeah, it's why it's on so it's like it. I think

this might be a little too high for me personally,

but it's it's a groundbreaking show. So and I

would probably put it ahead of Alfred Hitchcock

presents. All right. Any other thoughts before

we move on to number five? All right. Let's see

what's next in the countdown. Five. For number

five, we are returning to the world of comedy

as a number five. We have. Hello, Newman. Seinfeld

with 1453 points. It was on 19 lists, highest

ranked as number one. So it was number one for

one person. No doubt. The classic known as Seinfeld.

Let's see. Mike, we didn't hear from you last

time. So let's start with you here. Thoughts

on seeing Seinfeld fall here at number five.

I remember as a kid, my dad and my stepmom used

to watch it all the time and at the time we had

had one of those log cabins and where my bedroom

was it was the overhang kind of thing so I would

essentially fall asleep to yada yada yada or

you know I was in the it was in the pool you

know it just all this stuff and just go I'm actually

going back right now as we're doing this episode

as we're doing this countdown I'm actually watching

every single episode from all nine seasons because

they're all in Hulu and Did not remember because

when this came out I was way too young for it.

I didn't remember that season one was only five

episodes Wow, that was just I mean it was just

well cuz I'm going back and watching it like

I said on Hulu, but Everything about this show.

I mean, you know You got the bowtie killer as

Kramer. I mean come on Simply amazing and you

know Lately, this year specifically, I tend to

use Serenity Now a lot, but the show, the writing,

the comedy, yeah, it's built around Jerry's comedy

act, and that's all well and good. I'm glad they

only do that at the beginning and end of the

show, and the rest of the show is whatever story,

whatever episode they're gonna do that week.

But who did not absolutely love Seinfeld? Me.

you're too young yeah this is definitely what

obviously i need to revisit as an adult i just

could not get on board at all with it um i think

maybe by the time i was watching it it might

have been um obviously in rerun form i think

so none of it really held up for me the only

thing i remember is the super nazi and elaine

dancing horribly and them sitting in a diner

i just i think it definitely was too adult for

for my time The thing the thing for me really

putting a lot of everybody else goes I Find myself

in my life you know obviously we're all filled

with choices, but For me personally there was

two things that I took a completely different

path, and I've told part of this story a lot

of times I could have either you know read a

a book series about a former lingerie boner turned

a former lingerie buyer turned bounty hunter

or harry clopper well i picked the former lingerie

buyer turned bounty hunter i could watch friends

or i could watch seinfeld seinfeld is infinitely

better than friends in my personal opinion um

you know it just has more staying power it has

better written characters than friends did i

i think that's certainly a debate to have Let's

move over to you because you had this in your

top ten at number ten So thoughts on seeing it

fall within the top five I mean, this is a slam

dunk show It has to be in the episode today regardless

of where you put it or you know top ten top fifteen

top five It's an automatic selection I think

one thing that you get with We have a theme going

in today's episode because I think we've talked

about the writing on at least half if not 75

% of the shows we've listed today. It's definitely

what I think separates a lot of these shows from

some of the other ones that we've talked about

previous is the the amount of intelligent and

Just creative writing that we got in this and

there was no show like Seinfeld before it broke

the mold. So It's an it's iconic. It belongs

here. There's no way you can argue that this

is not supposed to be talked about today DJ,

I know you have a lot of love for Seinfeld, so

happy seeing you here at number five. I'm happy.

The thing about Vanna was saying, she wanted

to revisit it. The good thing is you can because

all the episodes kind of hold up, pretty much

hold up. I mean, because the show is not really

about anything specifically timely. It's about

the weird things everyone does. They say it's

a show about nothing, but it's essentially about

People and the weird crap that people do like

I don't want to ask this girl her name But I

know it rhymes with a female body part so I'll

just try and figure it out by this yelling MOVA

and You know all this other stuff. It's just

you know these little Piccadillo's that everybody

has it makes fun of and you can Those aren't

going away those they had them in the 50s. They

have them now they have them in the future That's

what makes it great, and it's one of the few

like Laugh track II kind of shows that I like

as a married with children and this Where you

know the audience is there some I prefer my comedy

without the laughter But this is one of those

shows where the writing was so good. The characters

are so fleshed out and their own thing a lane

is completely is funny in a completely different

way than Kramer's funny was completely different.

It was different than George's funny and has

Seinfeld's funny or Newman or any of these guys.

Supernazi everybody. Vandalay industry. There's

so many great stuff that's coming out of this

show. What was the lawyer the the Johnny Cochran

ripoff? I always forget his name Jackie Childs

was awesome. That was Phil Morris. Oh my god.

Another one of these shows where any character

that comes in usually knocks it out. Uncle Leo.

I just this crazy characters out of anywhere

and it's not like Jerry. Hello. Jerry, you know,

where where you just have little things that

people do and we're making, we're bringing the

attention to it. If it's the, if it's the, you

know, the, the masturbation episode, it's the

girl with the man hands, it's John Drudge Reinhold,

the close talker. It's just so many little things

that are in this show that just make it hold

up forever, I think. Kramer, I'm out. I'm out.

Contest is one of the greatest thing ever. Kramer

turning into a Kenny Rogers chicken and Newman

wanting to eat him. Is this so much? Kramer getting

thrown into the river in a sack. You know, it's

just so much good stuff going on inside Steve

any thoughts before we move on to the next in

the countdown? Nope Fair enough. Fair enough.

Alrighty. All right. Well, we're moving we're

getting into the nitty -gritty here. So let's

see what's happening with our next entry for

Well, we knew we'd get this show eventually the

question was when we are returning to the world

of animation So you can guess what show this

is as and number four we have Those zany Simpsons

as the Simpsons with fifteen hundred and forty

eight points. It was on 19 list This was ranked

number three by three people. So it was we've

had one show ranked three by number one by two

people This is by far the one ranked number one

by the most people so far in the countdown. Steve,

we ended with you last time. Let's start with

you here. Thoughts on seeing The Simpsons fall

at number four? I'm not surprised. Surprised

that it's number four, yes, but not surprised

that it's on the list. It's been one of those

shows that I think almost everybody's watched

at some point in their life. I don't have to

be careful. I got a gun. Well, you probably want

the accessory kit, holster. Oh, yeah. Bandolier.

Baby. Silencer. Mm -hmm. Loudener. Speed cocker.

Ooh, I'd like to sound to that. And this is for

shooting down police helicopters. Oh, I don't

need anything like that... yet. Just give me

my gun. Sorry, the law requires a five -day waiting

period. We've got to run a background check.

Five days? But I'm mad now! I'd kill you if I

had my gun. Yeah, well, you don't. And like I

said earlier, yeah, they aren't the most up to

date with their stuff, but I still find the show

very entertaining. And they do tend to get a

lot more of the actual guests to show up of celebrities

to voice characters, even if it's not them playing

themselves or a character that they played. It's

it's still fun to see, you know, like the the

monorail episode you get Leonard Nimoy showing

up by the end of it. and beaming away and written

by Conan O 'Brien. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's

a it's a really well done show. And all these

guys that have been on it for the, you know,

the last 25 years have have just knocked it out

of the park. I mean, yeah, it's it's kind of

repetitive at some points and old. And yeah,

they've switched some stuff up this year. But

it's it's still an iconic show, even from way

back when. Mike, thoughts on seeing The Simpsons

fall here? I think it's good. The Simpsons to

me, honestly, is 89 to 92. Don't get me wrong,

I've watched it the whole time, but that, when

it debuted on Fox as its own separate thing with

Santa's Little Helper outside of the Tracy Ullman

show, and then going into 1990 -91, that was

the... That was the apex of Bart mania. I had

every single thing Bart Simpson back then it

was just Simply amazing. They've done musical

albums. They've done all this stuff Probably

the first show to really expose a comic book

guy You know, I mean honestly 25 years or well,

I think it's on season 27 at this point, but

you know Simpsons life well spent Definitely

definitely TJ move on over to you I'm guessing

with the debate South Park Simpsons. I mean,

I think now in my life I'm a South Park guy,

but I mean there was like it's undeniable Everybody

was a Simpsons person when it started off as

a Bart the Bart show and then it turned into

the Homer show and near Man, I want to write

around that time it started to fall. Right around

the time South Park kind of came around is where

I think Simpsons, for me personally, was kind

of falling off a little bit. But again, it was

a phenomenon. I had the lunchbox. I had the Bartman

t -shirt. I had everything. I think it should

have maybe ended. Maybe 10 seasons ago. Just

for its own legacy sake, because now you're going

to have all these seasons that have been out

that are kind of tarnishing. But how many times

have you run in home to watch the Halloween episodes?

Those are one of the greatest. I think you got

to see Homer Simpson kill his own son. Literally

kill him. But yeah, the way they were messing

with pop culture, you know, I think South Park

has now. transcended them and done it a little

bit smarter for me personally. I know people

still love The Simpsons, worship the altar of

Matt Groening. So but yeah, The Simpsons is a

great show. I just, I think now where it is now,

I don't think it would be this high. But if you're

taking overall and what it did for animation

in general, you know, for adults, I can understand

it being this high. Especially Sunday night,

prime time, 8 o 'clock animation. That was amazing.

Seth McFarlane needs to be like, thank God you

existed! You know, you mentioned all the merchandise

and I mentioned earlier too, I remember when

Desert Storm was going on, I had a Rambart shirt.

Yeah, Rambart, I remember. It was so awesome.

You're alive during Desert Storm? You know where

I'm 35 years old do the world war two I was really

90s Amanda you had this ranked pretty high as

well at 13 So you think it's deserving of the

top ten here or top five actually as we're getting

substance at number four? Yeah, I guess so I

think that I might like South Park as a show,

I might enjoy that one better, but I think as

a quality show overall, I can see how it beat

out South Park. I think I had like a Pizza Hut

puppet or something like that, a Bart Simpson,

like a doll, something like that, but I never...

Never made it a point to watch it if it was on

I'd watch it Whereas South Park, I'm like, it's

Wednesday. I gotta watch this new episode guys

So that's where my bias lies, but I'm glad I

definitely made the top 25 Kevin any thoughts

on the Simpsons? I guess I'm in the minority.

I've never owned anything that had Simpsons on

it whatsoever I didn't watch it as a kid. I didn't

watch it as a teenager. I don't watch it as an

adult Doesn't Conan write for it now? I'm with

DJ and Amanda. I would rather watch South Park

I'm not surprised with its longevity and how

much acclaim it gets. It's an easy pick for everybody

to put on top I think there might have been a

couple people that didn't get to Help us create

our top 100 animated series list that they felt

left out So they wanted to give some extra love

to some animated shows No, but this this definitely

deserves to be on the episode today. I don't

know if I put it ahead of Three or four the other

shows we've talked about though Yeah, I think

it's a little a tattoo I do think it's deserving

of top ten not just because of longevity because

with an anime to show you're kind of you have

a you know, kind of an unfan advantage there

a little bit, but its first 10 seasons were brilliant,

were some of the best TV ever, and it gets kind

of a label of like dumb, similar to South Park

where it's just like bark jokes, but Simpsons

at itself too was, I would even argue at times

smarter than that of South Park when it was at

its best, when you had some of the people like

Conan, Dana Gold. It was more layered to it because

South Park is certainly great as a satirical

force, but I think what Simpsons had too was

it was able also to humanize its characters in

a way that South Park couldn't. And honestly,

I think if you ask Matt Stone and Trey Parker,

they would tell you that South Park is a better

show, as they show in the Simpsons did it episode

where I think it was definitely them showing

some love for the Simpsons and kind of nacking

on the family guy a little bit. But I do agree.

It's probably, I don't know. Four is a little

high. I think it has the fact that it's been

on for such a long time. It certainly has impact

on it for sure, but it can't deny it's iconic.

It also gave us some pretty awesome Sega Genesis

games, so it's a market game. Can't deny that

either. Alright, well we're getting down to the

very nitty -gritty of this countdown as we're

getting into our top three. Coming in at number

three. We are getting possibly our last modern

drama as we're getting Say my name, you know

my name Breaking Bad coming in at number three

with fifteen hundred and forty nine points highest

ranked This again was number one for three people.

It was on 18 list, you know DJ to start with

you here thoughts on Breaking Bad falling in

here at number three I mean, this guy went from

X -Files, you probably did some stuff in the

middle, but to have X -Files and Breaking Bad

on your resume ain't too goddamn shabby. And

I only knew Cranston from Malcolm in the Middle.

So when I got into this show, I was like, I didn't

know what it was. Is this a comedy? And now Brian

Cranston is considered one of the finest actors

we have working right now. And his turn, his

arc on this show, Because I at the time I was

stupid I didn't understand what the point of

the show was but probably around the end of season

one I was like, oh, I know where this is gonna

go. This is showing how this guy essentially

breaks bad how this guy goes from this put upon

Charlie Brown esque Person who's dying to this

arch villain, essentially the origin story of

a supervillain. Walt, please, let's both of us

stop trying to justify this whole thing and admit

you're in danger. Who are you talking to right

now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know

how much I make a year? I mean, even if I told

you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what

would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going

into work? A business. Big enough that it could

be listed on the NASDAQ, goes belly up, disappears.

It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly

don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue

you in. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the

danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and

you think that of me? No, I am the one who knocks.

I break it, that's great. Aaron Paul, this is

probably the best work he's done. I'm not a big

Aaron Paul fan, but this is where he's tolerable

for me. Damn sure I ain't need for speed. But.

But yeah, you have so much so many great performances

on here by very good character actors. And it's

just a good. Ryan Johnson's directing episodes.

Ozymandias may be one of the greatest drama episodes

for any show. So, yeah, Breaking Bad is an amazing

show. I think this. I think I probably I can

understand it being this high. I don't know if

I'd have it. Oh man, top three. I mean, it's

a great show. It's tough, but I mean, it's undeniable

how great Bryan Cranston is and how great the

writing is and how great the direction is of

the show. And the story. Yeah, definitely. Kevin,

any thoughts on Breaking Bad falling here? I

would have expected this to fall along with all

the other ones that we're talking about with

The Wire and West Wing and Mad Men and 24. I'm

surprised that this one has separated itself

somewhat from the group. I guess I'm just not

keen enough on which ones of these shows people

like the most. I've heard way more good things

about The Wire than I have Breaking Bad, so I'm

not shocked that it's on the countdown. I'm not

shocked that it's in the top 25. I think number

three is kind of pushing it. I don't know. I

don't I don't think it is honestly. I think when

you look at character arcs I think Breaking Bad

may have one of the best in TV history by far

It's a show that certainly takes its time, but

legitimately the words tread lightly like that.

There's so much Like, I couldn't tell you just

the... But you had Meyer Westwing ahead of this,

didn't you? I did, I did. I had this at 10. But

I don't... I think 3 is... I don't think it's

pushing it. I think it's a top 10 show, for sure.

Doing research, I saw nearly... Like, this was

one top one and a lot of other... Lists in top

five I rarely was it outside the top ten for

most of the list that that I saw and Not not

to mention Brian, you know going at the accolades

again Brian Krantz It's one of the first shows

to benefit from the Netflix Netflix effect where

there's ratings were kind of like, you know minuscule

for such a long time But as it's kind of word

of mouth spread, it's series got thrown on Netflix,

people caught up with it. So it's last season

was like ridiculously high rated when nothing

else before that actually, you know, was up to

that level. It's a thing, a show that definitely

benefits from, from Marathon wanting watching

and similar to the wire to show that show that

certainly it takes its time. It lets things develop.

But like I said, that those words tread lightly.

It's just, I could not tell you just the satisfaction

of what that. felt like hearing those words in

that moment because it was unexpected so I kind

of maybe ruined it a little bit but it was just

I don't know it just showed you just the trajectory

of this character and when he went in Heisberg

but uh I mean I mean I could see some people

saying it maybe it's a case of What's recent?

But I don't know. I think looking at again the

talent that's involved here when you have the

director of the next Star Wars movie directing

Breaking Bad, I think if anything, it's only

going to rise because people are going to be

like, oh, that's where I mean, Rian Johnson did

things like Looper and obviously end up Rick,

but certainly has his impact felt here. But Amanda,

any thoughts on Breaking Bad? This is one that

I've only seen the first two episodes and I couldn't

really get on board. And I know that There's

such a widespread love for this show that at

some point I'm going to have to catch up with

pop culture and get on board with the show. I

think I had this in the 30s, simply because of

the following I know that it has. I think if

it's worth it, this is one that I'm definitely

gonna have to throw on the list from this list

that I haven't watched that I need to. The first

season definitely even, it's very... you know,

methodical pacing wise. So I think that can turn

a lot of people up to, I think, having high expectations

for anything. And I think the danger with TV

and what we could probably talk about this more

in the wrap -up episode is that the opinion of

it is so varied that it's almost impossible to,

I feel like no matter what show you're going

to get, maybe a few people are going to throw

that it's too high. You know, once you get into

the top five, it's almost like there's a, it

gets dangerous no matter what you're thinking.

All right, well we have two shows left. Let's

see what's left in the countdown Before I rank

number or reveal number two I didn't want to

I didn't emphasize this enough but number four

was fifteen hundred and forty eight points number

three was fifteen hundred and forty nine points

number two It's fifteen hundred and fifty points.

So in these three spots We went up three points

to show you how close this list was where the

you know difference between two and four very

close one another so it's it's razor sharp here

and You know Seinfeld was not that far behind

with 136. So we're getting into this top five

again We're hearing a lot of the big here because

I think there's no universal thought But I think

I don't think we'll have any issue with this

one coming in at number two though Some people

may say it's not high enough, but I'm glad it

at least made it this high. Coming in at number

two we have... Mash with fifteen hundred and

fifty points like I mentioned as highest ranked

as number one So it was number one for one person.

It was on 20 lists. So Breaking Bad was three

top three for three people Mash was only top

one for one person, but it was on more lists

So again a benefit of having a lot of people

loving it and additionally to being ranked high

Kevin I know you thought Breaking Bad was too

high. Are you okay with mash falling here at

number two? It's interesting the shows that have

been on 20 lists because it seems like there's

only Muppet Show, Star Trek, and M .A .S .H.

It's an interesting collection of shows that,

and there might have been a couple other ones,

but I am not surprised this is in number two.

I would not have been upset or raised a stink

if it... no matter where it landed in the top

10. But I think it was expected that it would

be somewhere in the top 10 just for what it was,

its style of comedy, its award acclaim. I think

it was nominated for best comedy every single

season it was out. It was in the top 10 of ratings

nine out of its 11 seasons. And everybody knows

Mash. It has probably one of the most popular

television episodes of all time. One of the highest.

Is it still the highest rated? episode of all

time. It's the highest rated TV show of all time

still to this day. Yeah, so I mean, there's no

arguing that it belongs in the top 10. I think

as far as where it places in the top 10, it just

depends on who you're pulling and what kind of

things they put more stock in, where some of

their personal bias kind of land. But I think

number two is pretty impressive for us with kind

of the different trends that we've shown in the

overall list that we still have this at number

two. I'm kind of impressed with that. I guess

if you consider this a sitcom, would you say

this belongs at looking at it? Probably being

ranked as a really high sitcom. Would you say

that's correct as the highest rate to come? I

think that's tough I think you you throw in I

love Lucy and all in the family in that conversation

as well and I could see people making debates

and arguments for all three of those I'm not

sure which one I would land on Mike any thoughts

on mash I remember this show as a kid watching

it. All else I really remember though is Alan

Alda, his character. No, seriously. Honestly,

I have not watched MASH in over 15 years. So

what I do remember recently, I believe it was

recently, wasn't there an article somewhere online

where it's like, hey, the MASH theme song actually

has lyrics, but it couldn't be played on air.

Suicide is painless was the line. It's one of

those shows again that I'm gonna have to go back

to and and see if you know, as an adult, I really

get what was going on with that show. DJ any

thoughts on mash? Well, I remember the Korean

War No. I was not nearly as bad as. Oh, God.

The War of 1812 was rough, but it was a little

bit of a kid. No, I was never really a master.

Did you think about crane join us on this show?

This isn't sleepy. Perhaps I did join it. No,

no, I was. I never was a big mash fan. I was

a comic book reader and I remember there was

a guy named Hawkeye and I realized he wasn't

the Hawkeye. I was like, oh, what the hell? But

no, no. Alan Alda was the only person like I

think he was like the He was the George Clooney

of mash because without the without mash there

is no there is no yard It's a very precursor

to that where you know, it's a medical Joe medical

comedy But they did have very dramatic moments

in it, but I never was a big fan But the records

it's it still holds and has broken and what it

did and how it influenced the country and stuff

like that is You can't deny it's undeniable.

So yeah being in number two, right? I can understand

Potatoes? Fine. Cream corn? Thank you. And for

the entree today? Here it comes. Steady. We have

liver or fish? I didn't hear you say that. Because

it isn't possible. It's inhuman to serve the

same food day after day. The Geneva Convention

prohibits the killing of our taste buds. Easy.

I simply cannot eat the same food every day.

Fish, liver, day after day. I've eaten a river

of liver and an ocean of fish. I've eaten so

much fish, I'm ready to grow gills. I've eaten

so much liver, I can only make love if I'm smothered

in bacon and onions. Are we gonna stand for this?

Are we gonna let them do this to us? No, I say,

no! We're not gonna eat this drink anymore! We

want something else! We want something else!

We want something else! We want something else!

I don't think you can get a show that's better

at mashing that of drama and comedy better than

that of mash. I think the episode that... Oh,

wow. Yeah, mashing that of mash. Yeah, that was

an unintentional pun. And I'm going to eat some

mashed potatoes while I talk about... Wow, that's...

It's late. Sorry about that. Frank Castle needs

to hunt you down We go way back we go by way

back but uh, yeah, so I the for the episode that

comes to mind is like the chip one of the first

episodes I saw maybe which was bad because I

know it's looked at as one of the best with the

chicken episode and I think I was way too young

to watch it and it's still kind of, for those

that don't know, I don't want to spoil it, but

basically it's rather shocking but very poignant

at the same time. You know, we talked about it,

you know, had a hundred Emmy Award nominations,

which was weird, less than Cheers, but still,

you know, in its 11 -year run, it... It's won

tons and tons of awards. It's Peabody's to Writers

Guild Awards. Its impact on TV is undeniable.

And I think to this day still is recognized as

such a phenomenal show. So I do think like, you

know, MASH is one where you, like Kevin mentioned,

you place it within the, it has to be within

the top 10 someplace. I'm happy we got so much

love. Some people may have just ranked it off

for reputation, which happens, but I do think

it's deserving. I am wondering if people are

kind of scratching their heads at what could

be number one because I was kind of surprised

at what it Ended up being but I don't know any

thoughts before we move on to the final Number

one in our sound this we're on the brink of everybody

getting upset All right, well it's all come down

to this as I say as we get into the last of the

captain Know I feel like we need some sort of

drum roll or something of that nature to put

in some perspective number one It obviously had

the most points. It was on the most list It was

only a number one for one person though But I

think it benefited by the fact that was on 22

lists coming in at number one. We have Caroline

in the city. No, that's oh boy. I was about to

literally jump out of the window I'm looking

at and that was in the opposite end of the top

100. I stole Kevin's joke from last count No

really coming in at number one live from New

York It is Saturday nights as in Saturday night

live coming in with fifteen hundred and sixty

three points again and only beat mash by 13 points

So that's really one person ranking it over another

person making it this high Like I said, it was

number one for one person. I know it's dangerous

calling any show the best show of all time I

mean, there's certainly some argument here for

Saturday Night Live. We've But you can kind of

see this coming if you saw how much love sketch

comedies got so Let's see. Let's Kevin. Let's

start with you here thoughts on seeing Saturday

Night Live being at this end of the countdown

I Think it benefits from a couple things here.

I think the arguments for it obviously longevity.

I mean, it's been on for 40 seasons That's not

a lot of shows can say that number two everybody

can remember at least one sketch from Saturday

Night Live that they really love or one cast

member or loves a cast member that went on to

make, you know... series of movies there's different

decades there's different you know cast that

people can like point to I think if anybody's

gonna make an argument against it it might be

to consistency level and kind of play into what

DJ was saying along with some of the other sketch

comedies that maybe like with a Chapelle show

or something else that was more consistent as

far as number of good skits and that type of

stuff so I mean I think maybe some people could

point to that as an argument for maybe and not

being number one but I definitely can see with

the number of sketch comedies that we've had

on the list that this one would be at the near

the top and a pretty obvious pick for number

one once We saw everything else that had been

revealed. So, um, I think it's interesting. I

don't, I don't know how people would react to

this one. I can see it being ranked. I had it

in the top 25. I had it at number 24. So I'm

not super upset with it being here. Um, I wouldn't

personally put it at number one, but I can see

the argument both ways. Amanda, you had it, so

not far off. So happy seeing it here at number

one. Um, yeah, my number two slot felt good.

for this but um not a big surprise to see it

at number one uh skills just saying on my part

uh but uh there's no way that you can deny the

power of the show um and like kevin said the

cast from the different um cast that they've

had there's so many um iconic faces that have

come from the show um and all the skits and you

know just because they're not all The best skits

doesn't mean that it really does take away from

the show It spawns some movies to I love a night

at the Roxbury is one of my favorite movies I

really love Stuart saves his family The other

thing that this series did is, because it's been

on for so long, and because it's a live show,

it also has kind of a historic thing, too, where

it's been around for a lot of different events.

You think of the episode, you know, around 9

-11 or different things like that. So, I mean,

it's also had something to say from a cultural

standpoint, too, and kind of the role that a

television show can play. But I didn't mean to

cut you off, Mandy. You can keep going. She did.

Even bringing it today in... I saw an article

about what they did in response to the horrible

stuff that happened in Paris, how their cold

opening, they opted out of doing a funny sketch

and they did a very serious tribute and it was

perfect. It was really, really well done and

it shows the sensitivity of the people who are...

who are putting on this production. And as much

as they will poke fun at Donald Trump and whoever

they can, they do take on some issues that I

think are relevant and need to be at least made

light of sometimes and shows compassion where

I need to do. Mike, do you think Saturday Night

Live deserves the top spot that we've awarded

it? Yeah, I do. Because if you think about this...

I'm going to make a 20 -year -old movie reference

here. This is essentially television's version

of Mr. Holland's Opus. In Mr. Holland's Opus,

you have four different decades or five different

decades of music. Look how many different decades

and different hosts Saturday Night Live and cast

members Saturday Night Live has had. Whether

it's, you know, Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase,

whether it's Eddie Murphy, whether it's Chris

Rock, whether it's Darrell Hammond. Look at everything,

you know, Will Ferrell, you know, look at everything

that this show has done and how can you not say

it's a number of jokes? I mean, it's touched

everyone's life over the past four years in one

way or another. Welcome. How are you? Welcome,

Pete. We like the name of your store. Hi, thanks

for having me. Now, did I pronounce your name

correctly? You sure did. Pete Schwede. Well Pete

Terry and I've been looking forward to having

you on the show because we know you're the master

of all kinds of Christmas goodies Tell us about

them Well, there are lots of great treats this

time of year zucchini bread fruitcake But the

thing that I most like to bring out at this time

of the year on my balls Tell us about your balls,

Pete. Well, over at Seasons Eatings we have balls

for every taste. Popcorn balls, cheese balls,

rum balls, you name it. Wow. My mouth's watering

just thinking about those balls. It's been years

since I've seen any balls. Would you like to

see my balls now? Yeah. Whip them out. DJ any

thoughts on Saturday Night Live? I wouldn't I

wouldn't have it at number one, but it's It's

it's changed the landscape of comedy. It's essentially

a breeding ground to maybe the greatest comedians

We've ever seen from Eddie Murphy to Bill Murray

to Gilda Radner. I mean Robert Downey jr. Was

on sorry Chris Rock was I mean good or bad he

was there you know I'm saying so the Lorne Michaels

was essentially like if you if you're funny you're

Lorne Michaels knows it knows you you exist he's

finding you you know I'm saying or if you have

any type of talent and When we were coming up

with the idea for our show, our podcast, we were

trying to say, you know, we should do like cold

opens like Saturday Night Live. You know, it's

always in the back of your mind, like let's do

it kind of like Saturday Night Live. It's not

the baseline of comedy shows or sketch shows.

Okay, we're like the black Saturday Night Live

or we're the weird Saturday Night Live. But Saturday

Night Live is the baseline for, you know, sketch

comedy and maybe comedy. It's gotta be up there,

but I don't think, I think this might be too

high for me for as great a show as it is. And

I remember hearing that that show was gonna,

they were gonna stop that show right around the

time Eddie Murphy came on and Eddie Murphy essentially

like saved that show. So it's longevity makes

it great. It just, I don't know if I'd have it

so high, but again, it's impacted everything.

Yeah, I mean I agree. I don't know I had in my

top ten, but I mean I know when you get this

high It's almost like I said impossible really

to say anything deserves it really but I know

what we mentioned longevity and because it's

a sketch TV show does fit into the mold of What

we like today like I don't watch Saturday Night

Live when it's on but I'll probably catch it

on Monday YouTube like this week and like watching

on YouTube and the digital shorts and it really

fits in kind of it's almost like ahead of its

time in that way and it's it's always had to

try to evolve sometimes it's taken too long,

but you know. Again, like Kevin mentioned the

one knock on it is probably consistency because

there are some years that are not that great

But it's I was watching I forget what it was,

but it was reading something that mostly like

universally the people people think the best

years of Saturday Night Live are the years that

they were in middle school like and very rarely

do you hear Saturday Night Live's best it's ever

been it's usually like it was better back then

and then it's like it was better back then it's

just this continuously thing because you know

during the Adam Sandler years like in like during

that, you know 90s or 90s late 90s like that

was never looked at of as all that phenomenal

but a lot of people look back and think it was

great so it it's just the product of the fact

that a lot of the bad sketches go away and a

lot of the great ones still you know to this

day you ring supreme and I think you just kind

of see the love for it when you see something

like the 40th anniversary episode where You had

all these people coming back and celebrating

it in that way. So is it number one worthy? I

don't know. I don't know necessarily I've ever

watched it and thought this is the best TV show

of all time. But I think there is an argument

there. I don't think it's necessarily all that

outrageous. But I don't know. All right. Any

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countdown is over and I'm sure we made some people

angry made some people happy It's kind of the

nature of this business really DJ you're the

guest here. So let's give your thoughts here

on the overall countdown of today You know, what

are you thinking? I'm upset the wires not number

one. So I'm gonna be very selfish and no no no

It's the way this is formatted. You're really

gonna get The way we did the voting and stuff

really gonna get like a high I did not know what

was going to happen, which usually you go on

one of these lists things you okay? It's gonna

be this this this I had no idea and everybody

has an outlook on different Things that influence

them and things that they have to put there because

it's great and you have to put it there But I

I'm happy the wire got up this high. I'm happy

the West Wing got up this high I'm happy the

Muppets got up this high and there was certain

surprises that were higher than them like Saturday

Night Live or Twilight Zone for me or Star Trek

for me, but I think it was good. I'm I'm a little

This part that wasn't in the bottom 100 because

there was some that were there. I wanted way

way higher so I could argue my piece But no,

I'm curious to what those might have been. Here's

Mr. Robot. I'm sorry You wanted a number one

we know You wanted it like actually just a countdown

a top 100 where each one is mr. Robot Yes, I

was gonna have episode 1 be number one episode

2 be number two. No Mike, thoughts on the countdown

as we have finished it up with our finally revealing

our completely top 100. It's interesting to say

the least. As I've said before, it's probably

out of the three top 100s we've done, it's probably

the most interesting. I think the top 10, a lot

of people that have been commenting on the website,

they're going to be pretty upset because their

predictions did not come true. I'm alright with

it. Hey, at least my number one didn't even make

the list, though. So there is that. No, hey,

I'm glad it didn't make the list, honestly, because

it's one of those things where I wouldn't have

to worry about it falling in the 90s or the 80s

or whatever else, and everyone can just calm

the hell down because not even Walker Texas Ranger

made this list. There's actually, you're not

the only one, a few number ones did not make

the list. We can kind of talk about that at the

final episode, but Amanda, any... Specific episode

show that surprised you good or bad as we got

into the top 25 I'm also one of those people's

their number one didn't even make the list super

sad, but The episode this episode as a whole

I'm glad that so many of my higher ranking shows

did at least make the list You know, there's

there were so many surprises along the way that

I'm not really sure And of course, there's a

ton of my favorites that elf didn't even get

a mention MacGyver didn't get a mention So I

think there's gonna be some interesting talks

in the wrap -up episode Kevin I know we had a

lot of modern stuff We still had some modern

stuff today, but you're at least happy we got

some classics in the top ten Yeah, I mean for

a long time I had 70 -80 of my shows that weren't

even mentioned, but I think I ended up 50 -50

here. 50 of my shows made it, 50 of my shows

didn't, so I guess I can't complain too much.

I'm glad that we did get some love for some classics.

I think we definitely have some explaining to

do for a few select classics that did not even

make it in the top 100, which we'll obviously

get to in the wrap -up, but a little surprised

at the number one, but I had it definitely as

one of the ones that was going to be in the top

25, so just the exact order kind of shocked me

a little bit, but I was... pretty right on with

most of the shows that I thought were going to

show up in today's episode. So today's episode

I'm pretty happy with. I think there is going

to be some interesting discussions during the

wrap up though. Yeah, I think, you know, we saw

some shows that came in the top 25 that shouldn't

definitely not be there. Like we mentioned already

Daredevil, some things that may be too high,

some things that may be too low. I Love Lucy,

for example. Yeah, I should definitely be a top

10 just saying that. Just throwing that out there.

I know SNL being number one. Like, I get it.

Like, I understand why it happened. I necessarily,

like, again, it's more so when you do a list

of this manner, the way we did it, it's where

you have, you know, exposure, people being aware

of something, and I think SNL being what it is

definitely benefits and maybe... Little bit too

much. I don't know be curious what people have

to say, but we're not done with the countdown

As we've mentioned we're gonna have one more

episode where we kind of reflect on it Look at

what made it what didn't maybe give some honorable

mentions of the shows that just barely missed

the countdown Maybe right reveal some of the

number ones of people's lists that you know did

not make it because there were quite a few Like

I said, it took a lot to make the top 100 but

no if anything I just want to thank all those

that were Taking the time to comment on the episode

positive or negatively We appreciate the constructive

criticism or the constructive phrase every way

you want to put it But alright any other thoughts

before we bring this episode to a close I'm just

interested to get to the wrap -up so we can delve

into this a little bit more and hopefully Appease

some of the people that didn't get their shows

talked about Certainly certainly we've and we

talked about different ideas of approaching this

and maybe doing it differently in different ways

and seeing how that goes out But DJ I'd like

to thank you again for coming on Mike and Amanda

and Kevin as well But anyways, we hope you appreciated

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