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Top 10 War Films

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43. This is the Top 10 War Films. I am one of
your hosts, TFJ and Mike. Joining me is Movie
Revolt Dan. Hello. Hello. Optimus Solo, hello.
The one and only. And from that Canadian sister
station of ours, this week in Geek .net, we have
Mike the Bitchman Dodd. Holy crap, it's the Birdman!
Oh boy, and we are here, as I said, to count
down the top ten war films here in GCR's top
ten film countdowns. Take it away, Kev. What
do you got for us this time around? Well, if
you've been following around with us as we go
through these top ten genres of top ten lists,
you've seen that we've done our top ten action
films already with Die Hard being number one.
We've done our top ten comedies with a surprise
number one there. Yeah, a lot of people were
in rage. What was it, Silvers? It ended up being
Spaceballs. Betrayal! But there was some good
stuff in there. I thought there was a good collection.
We had a little Jim Carrey, a little Adam Sandler,
a little Monty Python. I mean there was a good
selection there. We've had some people on the
website that I've obviously disagreed with the
list, but It's our list so the comedy comedy
is one of those that you kind of expect that
with because unlike like if you like war films
you like war films and Yes, there's different
types, but It's not like comedy where everybody
can have a completely different sense of humor
and some people like you know dry humor and some
people like satirical stuff and some people like
over the you know you get there's a such a broad
range of different comedies so i'm not surprised
that people disagree with the comedy list being
the only person that is obviously seeing the
top 10 here for tonight Got to say so far out
of the three lists. Yes There's some stuff that
I would rather have on there and we're each gonna
have disagreements on stuff that we think should
have made the list But overall I cannot complain
about our top ten tonight. I Think we did a good
job Yeah, I'm pretty shocked Honestly with a
couple of the ones that got left off that we'll
be talking about We can get that get to that
right now actually because if you're not familiar
the way this works is Obviously we've all independently
submitted lists. I've compiled them Counted up
the votes etc. And we we ended up We all ranked
top 20s Basically, and we've ended up with a
top 10 list and what we do in our introductory
segment is we talk about all of the movies that
got at least a vote by somebody that did not
actually make the top 10 list we call it our
honorable mentions it can be As far as number
of films that can be covered here. It depends
on each genre and how many Different films got
voted on so we will open it up and then let go
around the horn as far as surprises that we've
Seen on our honorable mention list that maybe
somebody expected to see on the top ten list
and you can make your case for Why we got it
wrong that they're not on the top ten less and
we can start with our guests here Birdman I was
gonna say normally I'm you know, pretty much
a hedonist and everything else and I want to
Want to take control but yeah, we need to let
Dodd talk about this cuz yeah, this is a genre
of films I'm actually a really big fan of like
I lot I watch a lot of documentaries on Netflix
So wars kind of my thing One of the one of the
ones I was really surprised didn't make it. How
the hell did band of brothers not make this?
The reason why band of brothers why not a lot
of people voted for it was because originally
it was not a film it was a HBO miniseries so
a lot of us didn't count it as a film well it
was still on the list that's why i presume. Right.
But I mean, it's probably one of the best. It
should have been on the list, Kevin. I mean,
I think it's one of the best depictions of the
Second World War. I mean, there was a follow
up series, kind of the Pacific, which wasn't
as good as Band of Brothers. But another one
I was surprised Guns of Navarone. Surprise there,
because that's a classic. Red Dawn. That's another
one. This one could have gone either way, because
you can see it very much as an American propaganda
film, but it's a very cool guerrilla -style movie,
which is what I liked about it. I mean, even
the remake, despite what you may have heard,
it's not that bad. I actually kind of liked it.
Another one that I was surprised to see on here
was Inglourious Basterds, considering how popular
that was in the last couple years. Tora Tora
Tora. Dirty Dozen really surprised me. Same with
Ash. Yeah, a lot of the classics got left off,
like the classic classics not... Yeah, I mean,
but I guess you have to kind of appreciate that
style of filmmaking because I know it's hard
to go back and watch some of these movies from
the 50s, 60s and 70s compared to the 80s and
90s and even now it's just because editing is
different, pacing is different, directing is
different, so not everybody digs that. But some
of the more modern films, I'm surprised Jarhead
didn't make it. Born on the 4th of July. That's
another good one. Good Morning Vietnam. Damn
surprise. Same as Zero Dark 30. I call blasphemy
on Good Morning Vietnam. That should have at
least made number 10. At least. Because it's
not stripes. For me, I agree with a lot of people
that there's a lot of good... And like war movies
is my thing. I was a history major. taught history
for three years so I'm all about historical movies
and whatnot and I agree that there's a lot of
these that I'm like oh I think this should have
gone in and I think that should have gone in
but just hold your breath though because when
we get to the top ten I think it starts to make
sense how some of these didn't get in there because
there's just a lot of good war movies I think
for me maybe the if I was to pick four or five
that really surprised me. Last of the Mohicans
would be one. I just think that was a really
well done piece. I think it's kind of got lost
over the last decade or so. As far as recent
films, you know, even though it didn't focus
on the war completely, Lincoln is obviously a
popular movie these days. But as far as some
of the older ones, I think this one's really
underrated and that's Life is Beautiful. Never
heard of that one. If you haven't seen life is
beautiful. You need to go see it You need to
find it on Netflix if it's on Netflix or a red
box or on demand or something because that is
a Fabulous movie. It's almost in the vein of
like a like a Schindler's List type movie But
it does a really good job of kind of showing
you the multiple sides of war What year did that
come out? It was in the 90s 1997 Yeah. It is
on Netflix. It is streaming on Netflix right
now. Gettysburg surprised me a little bit. Deer
Hunter. And then some of my just kind of personal
ones that I like. I like U -571. I like kind
of the other and getting to see some of the submarine
warfare and that type of thing. Who was left
off too? And that's in the same vein as U -571.
I agree an enemy at the gates kind of a more
of on the on the sniper side I'm not surprised
it didn't make it, but I just kind of like that
it gives a little bit of a different View the
one that came closest without making it would
be blackhawk down Just missed it by a couple
points there I didn't personally vote for it
But I just wanted to throw it out there that
that was the one that was closest to making it
that didn't Dan what are your thoughts on some
of the honorable mentions here? I guess one that
Doesn't surprise me, but I think if we made this
list in five years from now I think it wouldn't
make the top ten is zero dark thirty being that
it just came out last year Maybe people haven't
seen it or were hesitant to vote for it because
it's hard to place a film That was only out for
a year and a top ten list, but I think that is
like a brilliant film It deserves the masterpiece
label usually the best film of last year And
I think it will only grow in respect as years
come and I'm actually even the Hurt Locker and
although all Captain Bigelow's best films around
here you 2571 as well. None of those made it.
Hurt Locker, another great movie that has kind
of also gained more respect as the years have
gone on. And I love that movie. It's those two
films, like the Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty,
maybe one of the best back -to -back films for
a director in quite a while. I loved Auspute.
I wish that really made the list. I think that
is the key film on how to build suspense. It
uses sound. to an epic level to In that submarine
like you really see nothing and you just see
these men Standing in a sub and it's so suspenseful
just because of its sound or lack thereof Other
ones that i'm surprised i'm surprised Black Hawk
Down didn't make it because it's It has the appeal
to broad audiences, but also for war buffs regarding
Mike mentioned the band of brothers. I personally
didn't vote for it because like we mentioned
It's I looked at it It's hard to compare that
10 hours of footage and compare it to something
like save it prior for Ryan or other films that
Covered similar material So that's why I personally
didn't vote for it But I agree that it's one
of the best if not the best depictions of World
War two just how it's able to get at those characters
and the core unit of that of The band of brothers
and I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of those
guys in real life Captain winners and all of
those and they're really great people and I think
that film really did them justice Other films
that didn't make it You mentioned life is beautiful.
That's a that is a great movie Tora Tora Tora
Probably the defining Pearl Harbor film and I'm
surprised that Pearl Harbor got more votes than
Tora Tora Tora I'm surprised Pearl Harbor got
any votes. Yeah You know what movie deserved
to be on here, and I just thought of it now?
All's Quiet on the Western Front. Yeah, there
would have been a few that probably didn't get
to our year. For most of the genres, we only
looked at... Probably the last 50 years, right?
Yeah. Well, most of the genres we were looking
at 1970 as a cutoff, just because we really weren't
going to be able to give credit enough. because
too many people have not seen some of the classics
and I didn't want people to be like you know
that's a classic well you know four out of five
of us haven't seen it or something so we kind
of tried to make us more of our generation or
our lifetime so that we could give a better depiction
of stuff that we've probably seen or at least
been exposed to but I agree yeah there are some
definitely definitely some classic older ones
on there that if I was making my own personal
list would probably make the list. And one last
one is that I would like to mention just the
pianist again. That's one that doesn't necessarily
involve the war It's more of the repercussions
of the war, but that is to a really well done
film. It's really beautifully shot The movie
that made it Adrian Brody. He gives a great performance
And again, that's I could see maybe people didn't
feel for that because when you think of the pianist
You don't think of war but it really it it tells
the story of what happens to those, you know,
those regular citizens and during, you know,
the biggest war of the last 100 years. And then
also Valkyrie, I think. Bryan Singer is probably
his last good film. It's hard to make a suspense
story about the assassination of someone that
you know was never killed. And that's difficult.
And it's difficult to take American audiences
like Tom Cruise and place him into a German uh...
nazi uniform and make it work and i think for
the most part it is a scientist nazis and scientologists
i guess i can see the comparison uh... i agree
though that that film that was better than then
i got credit for and then the last one is dear
hunter i think that is one is amazing and i know
it's that we talked about how the style of editing
and directing is a lot different for a lot of
audiences that movies probably they're gonna
Walk out in the first 45 minutes because you
have this really long wedding sequence that is
Uncut basically and I think a lot of people would
be like what am I watching? I like feel like
I'm watching someone's own video But it it serves
a purpose and it really allows people to see
what happens to those free -willing, you know
full of life Normal people and what what the
war did to them? And so but that is the people
walking out of the theater sometimes piss the
hell out of me Know this has nothing to do with
war film. Well, I guess it kind of does but I
was watching Les Mis this year in the theater
and There was a whole group like a whole family
that literally walked out 10 to 15 minutes into
the movie and I just wanted to like stop them
and be like Did you not realize that this was
a musical? Like They literally walked out because
I guarantee they walked out because there was
no speaking. So at that point It also could have
been because of Russell Crowe. I mean, let's
be fair. I was just like, I was blown away. I'm
like, you got to be freaking kidding me. Like,
you knew nothing about Les Mis, you knew nothing
about the story, you knew nothing about it's
Broadway, you know, history, musical, anything.
And you're walking out because there's, you can't
stomach them singing throughout the movie. I
wanted to slap them. People are ignorant. The
same issue when I saw Django, you know, that's
very violent film and people walked out I'm like,
it's a Quentin Tarantino movie Like did you expect
like, you know this to be kind of first half
of that movie is the best part I would never
walk out. I could see people walking out towards
the end. But Yeah, it's crazy. It's just how
people are they I think people go to the theater
don't really know what they're watching They
see a title they walk in and then you know You
know what happens? They they see a trailer they
get hooked in they get drawn in and that's it.
It's basically slick advertising Yeah. Because
it never quite tells you what to expect. Or they
hear everyone else is going to this movie and
they're like, oh, everybody else is doing it.
We got to go see this movie, even though it's
something they would never be interested in.
Yeah. And war movies, I think, follow under a
very unique perception through multimedia advertising
because you have to balance on one hand. We're
glorifying a conflict. There's a winner and there's
a loser. And history is obviously written by
The winners so you have to be very careful on
how you market movies like this I mean look at
Pearl Harbor for example I mean look how that
movie was not marketed as a war movie was marketed
as a romantic movie That just happens to involve
people shooting each other That's gotta be one
of the most historically inaccurate films that
were even possible on our list. Yeah, like I
said, I'm really surprised it even made the list.
In fact, if you want to see a really good review
of it, go over to thatguywithglasses .com. Listen
to Doug Walker's review on it. It's 40 minutes
of hilarity you will not forget. And a lot of
really good points are made, too. But yeah, I
mean, it's weird, though. I mean, I think people...
I mean, this is my personal opinion. I think
people go to war movies I think as they feel,
it's their patriotic duty in some ways. And like,
I don't know, maybe that's how I would perceive
Americans. And I'm going to make this a cultural
thing simply because a film like Zero Dark Thirty.
Do you not feel like it's your patriotic duty
to see some of that because it just did happen?
I felt like I didn't feel I still haven't seen
Zero Dark Thirty because I just literally can't
get interested in it. That's kind of how I felt
with World Trade Center and what was the other
one that came out right at the same time, is
it? United 93? Yeah, United 93. I felt obligated
to see those two movies almost immediately. So
yeah, I kind of get what you're saying with some
of them. What year did World Trade Center come
out? Because I don't remember. I think 2003.
I didn't see that movie until 2006. I just still
couldn't know. I still haven't seen it. I saw
it, and I can't believe they made a movie about
that. So soon? No, no, no, no, not even so soon.
Just look at the lead actor. We did a whole show
on it over on Twig. Nicholas Cage? Yes. Oh, wow.
Holy shit. Oh, yeah, you're right. Holy shit.
Yes. You know what? That just made me think of
something to tie into the whole war on terror
thing. Who's the person you'd least want to associate
with the war on terror? Robert fucking Pattinson.
I can't remember what the movie was called, but
at the at the last five minutes of the movie,
he goes to make up with his dad like he's been
estranged for like a year and he's like, oh,
I'm so emo and sad. I'm going to live my life
and be beautiful, blah, blah, blah. The movie
cuts to the plane crashing into the World Trade
Center. It's like five minutes before the ending.
I'm not even shitting you. And they just randomly
decide this is now a movie about terrorism in
the last five minutes. So Mr. Sparkle himself
was destroyed by Al fucking Gaida. I do have
to say that there is a I'm very I'm ecstatic
that this movie did not get a single vote on
anybody's list. But I do want to bring it up
because I know a lot of people listening probably
will associate it with something that would show
up on someone's top 10 war list. To me, it's
literally one of the three worst films I've ever
seen in my life, and it's the closest I've ever
been to walking out of a film, and that is A
Thin Red Line. I absolutely despise that movie,
and I'm very glad that we did not give it a single
vote. Was that Robert Redford or whatever in
that one? No, that's Terrence Malick. Oh, okay.
I hate everything about it. Have you ever watched
it have you because Terrence Malick has a very
unique style like I like he did tree life and
I watched that movie in a in a very packed theater
and listening to the reaction to that film I
can understand because tree life is not a it's
not a narrative it it's it's it's a Director's
vision put on screen. Well, I've honest so what
i was curious that i know terence malik style
does not really flow with everyone and i wanna
and i have wanted to uh... watch tree of life
because i'm interested to see what that all that
entails but the the main reason why i can't stand
a thin red line is to me i cannot stand it when
someone takes a real uh... historical event that's
so many people are affected by or have been touched
by or had somebody involved with and uses that
vehicle to make a political statement or to make
a point about how they feel about war or about
how they feel about this event or that event.
To me that's just wrong to do. It's in bad taste.
I think war is too serious of a thing to Uses
your own personal vehicle to make a point But
I guess you can make that argument for almost
every war movie because almost every no I get
in every in every way like what you're saying
is always gonna be Mostly gonna be the vision
of a director. Well, every director wants to
make a point but when you go beyond when you're
ignoring Factual events and you're ignoring some
of the realities of war and you've gone all the
way to the extreme To make the entire focus of
the movie You be you're making a point like when
someone like I don't know I'm just throwing out
here. Let's see I'm just trying to look at the
list here like Gettysburg for example You know
whether no one's really trying whether they're
trying to make a point or not The story and the
facts come first in that movie like it's a film
telling the story of that battle I mean picture
of that war but there is some interpret there
is some room for interp Interpretation and artistic
direction story comes first and the facts come
first. I don't mind that but when the point and
when your personal Agenda comes first then I
have a problem with it as a historian I Find
it funny that this this film of thin red line
has in it Jesus and Casey Jones Jim Caviezel
and Elias codeus and see I love both of them
guys you both of those guys and I liked I liked
a lot of people I had high hopes going into that
movie and I literally was so disgusted at one
point that I almost walked out and I have Never
done that in a movie See, I guess I don't I I'm
not I didn't build for thinner in line I'm a
huge fan of it but and I understand what you're
saying the idea of taking certain facts and forming
it and adjusting it to fit your personal point
of view when what you might not be represent
what you might be representing is not Accurate,
but I guess I never saw that within run line.
I I think Terrence Malick attempted to I don't
think it was a political or a message statement
I think he has a certain idea of what he tries
to get it because you can like say the similar
issue with like Inglorious Basterds That's a
wildly historically inaccurate But I guess it's
up front with it and I guess right you can argue
that thin run line isn't as much and it almost
represents itself as a factual representation
of what happened when in fact it really, it's
more of a interpretation of what someone sees.
That's my problem is the way it paraded itself,
I guess. Like you said, a movie like Inglorious
Basterds or there's been other ones like they're
upfront about it or the way they do it to me
just doesn't rub me the wrong way and for some
reason this one just really rubbed me the wrong
way. Okay. Could understand that and I guess
we also talked about how Mike mentioned that
the winners write the history and I think that's
why Films like we haven't mentioned our letters
from Erzima We didn't mention DOSB, but seeing
a film from the other side even Tora Tora Tora
Which is a very even -handed film that doesn't
really paint like one side is evil one side is
the good guy it's more of a better representation
of what really happened as I think that those
films are important because of what they do and
how they try to Be as factual as much as possible
and not try to make these people as evil People
that but humanize them and make them, you know,
they're not much different than us Yeah, because
it was a genius idea for them to do both For
the letters from Iwo Jima and the flags of our
fathers I thought that was a really cool thing
that they did to be able to try to tell that
from both sides I always am a little curious
as to why letters from Iwo Jima gets all the
acclaim and and flags of our fathers get panned
usually by everybody. There was one scene in
a movie very much uh showing the other side it's
uh once again from All's Quiet on the Western
Front where it's a bunch of German kids they
get conscripted into the war and they announce
there's the armistice on and the kid's writing
in in his journal is like say hey the war is
over we're gonna we're we're going home and the
kid gets sniper'd. And that always struck me
as a really important moment in film, because
that's something I saw that in my grade 10 history
class, and I've never quite forgotten it. Now,
I don't know. I've never seen the movie, but
I wonder if it would qualify. Would Lawrence
of Arabia count, or Gallipoli? Lawrence of Arabia.
Yeah, I mean, its center is considered a war
film. I mean, it's really almost a character
study of... But I think it would count, but it's
obviously before that 1970 time frame. If it
weren't going all time, yeah, that's... I mean,
that's one of the greatest movies of all time
bar none, not even counting genre. But yeah,
I think if we're looking at all time, that would
be considered without a doubt. And Gallipoli,
I consider that. I mean, it's within the time
frame. It was in my group of movies I was considering.
I just ended up not voting and voting for it.
Any other thoughts on our honorable mentions
before we get to our number 10 movie? I just
want to take another quick look over the list.
Let me see. Last of the Mohicans. I'm not surprised
that didn't make the top 10. I mean, I don't
know. Us natives in film never get a fair shake.
Just saying. Sometimes being brown just doesn't
pay. Another one, I think Stripes, but then again,
that's more of a comedy as opposed to being an
actual war war movie. Jarhead's another one I'm
really surprised. Because that's a nice breakdown
of watching someone go through the shit. I mean,
I would call it a modern full metal jacket. for
all the crap that that character has to go through.
Other than that, MASH, once again, very surprised.
But no, that's pretty much all I got. Do you
have to go on? No. The one thing I will say,
and this actually doesn't pertain to film, but
Mike had said that usually the winners of the
battles are portrayed where I find interesting
these days. is that FX can start a television
show called The Americans about KGB spies and
what if... like showing the other side of of
of the cold war in the eighties i find that very
interesting nowadays that they can show that
kind of stuff on tv i thought that's cool i think
we're now in in the right kind of space at least
in terms of accepting the fact hey this used
to happen that yeah that like we can do it now
we're not going to get a sympathy show or a cool
show about al -qaeda spies invading american
airports hell no maybe in 40 years or probably
less than that it's a possibility because the
KGB did some pretty nasty stuff. Hell, they could
have started a nuclear war. Now, Al -Qaeda's
not as bad as that, depending on who you ask,
but it's possible. And that's an interesting
thing about war movies, because eventually the
other side's story gets told, and it's usually,
there was a joke on South Park, and I think it
kind of rings true with like certain things.
It says, you can make fun of anything after 25
years. Think about how many people used to make
holocaust jokes, and some people still do. I
mean, Joan Rivers made one not too recently,
and she's Jewish. So I don't know, I guess that
kind of ties into it as well. But yeah, that
show the Americans is showing the KGB side of
it. Yeah, I mean, eventually we might get the
Al Qaeda side of it. I mean, I know there was
a video game a couple of years ago called Six
Days in Fallujah. which showed Americans trapped
behind Al -Qaeda lines. And it was going to be
a very realistic depiction of the war. And that
game got asked because people didn't want to
see that because it wasn't all, yay, we won the
war. There's two sides to every story. That's
true. All right. Dan, any last thoughts? Um,
no, I think only other one we didn't mention
was probably Master and Commander That's one
that kind of gets overlooked a lot and that's
pretty well crafted really great movie by Peter
Ware Also, really great score. That's I love
that score. It's great visuals and scenery in
that film, too Yeah, and so that's one that definitely
deserves a mention. But besides that I think
we covered a good amount All right, then we are
ready to get to our top ten. Let's see which
wars are most represented. And like I said, you
know, a lot of us have been mentioning quite
a few movies. We've done a lot of name dropping
as far as films that didn't make it. But I think
all in all, once we start getting through this
top ten, we'll see that there was just literally
not enough room for some of these films to make
it. So going into our number ten pick, we're
just on the edge of movies that we were considering
because we're going back to a 1970 film. And
the war we're talking about is World War II,
specifically talking about an individual, and
that would be Patton. I'm talking about General
George S. Patton during World War II starring
George C. Scott. Dan, your thoughts about our
number 10 film here, Patton? Awesome. I'm glad
this made the list. It was number two on my list.
I love Patton and starts and ends with George
C. Scott and his amazing performance. He inhabited
you know, the one of the most legendary war,
you know, generals of American history. You know,
it has that iconic moment everyone remembers,
with Patton standing in front of the gigantic
American flag. It also is, besides that, it's
a really great story about a portion of World
War II that doesn't really get talked about much.
A lot about the European campaign, a lot about
the Pacific campaign, but the wars that went
on in Africa are a huge important part of that
war, and they don't get nearly as mentioned as
much, and that covers a lot of that. that went
on. And I think what's most interesting about
that film is how it starts and how George C.
Scott did not want that to start the way it did.
He did not like the fact that it began with him
giving that monologue. He felt it was too strong
of a way to start and it only went down from
there. And he was very angry because he didn't
find out that's how it was shot until the premiere
of the movie. And he got very angry with the
director and it was just huge to do. But anyways,
I'm glad this movie made it because it's quite
awesome. It received a lot of accolades. It had
seven Academy Awards, including best actor, best
picture, best director. In 2006, the Writers
Guild of America actually selected this one as
the 94th best screenplay of all time. Since we
are doing kind of our own AFI list, some AFI
statistics, out of AFI's top 100 movies of the
last 100 years, this movie came in at number
89. On there are 100 heroes and villains. General
George Patton came in as number 29 on the hero
list One of its quotes was nominated and one
its score was nominated on AFIs 100 years list
And it also got nominated on the 10th anniversary
edition of a hundred years a hundred movies So
a lot of people have respect for this film Birdman
have you seen this one? Which one sorry? Patton.
You know what? I've only ever seen the big speech
scene and a few other clips, but it's one movie
that I've never seen the entire way through,
but I know of all of its accolades. So it's probably
on. I know there's a huge collector set like
DVD for this movie, so it's something I may track
down, actually. Right. And as far as like focusing
on a specific real life individual, for the most
part. This this is kind of like the the prototypical
film you look to When you're trying to depict
a specific character from a war I think So I
am not disappointed at all that this one came
in at number 10 for number 9 we're gonna jump
from 1970 all the way up to the year 2000 So
we're going 30 years into the future and the
war we're depicting here is the Revolutionary
War And the movie is The Patriot. 30 years. Sounds
like a good round number. Now, I can understand
a lot of people. If anyone's going to give us
problems for any of the films on our list, it's
going to be this one. Because a lot of people
like to hate on Mel Gibson and whatnot. The reason
I'm happy that this film made the list is because
the revolutionary period in American history
is probably my favorite. Maybe neck -and -neck
with Civil War, but it's it's it's basically
one of my favorite time periods And there is
not a lot of movies about the Revolutionary War
period I find if they do make a movie about the
Revolution or it's either really good or really
bad I think there is a space there for someone
to come and make the You know just an epic Revolutionary
War film. I just don't think it's been done yet,
but I think That it's a possibility. I mean it's
the characters that you're dealing with are so
rich the time period You're dealing with is so
rich, and I just think there is a great Chance
for someone to do something with this time period,
but I'm glad it's represented here with the Patriot
now I realize a hundred percent that this is
a fictionalized story of a character that you
know did not exist so to speak it's more of a
meld between a number of people that truly did
exist. fictionalized version of this, but there
are a lot of historically accurate things that
you can take away from this film. When I was
teaching, I am not a proponent of showing whole
films to classes and whatnot, but you could take
some of the five and ten minute clips from this
film and really show kids or individuals some
accurate portrayals of how different things were
going on in this time period. So it does have
that going for it. I really like this film. I'm
a huge Mel Gibson fan. So I'm glad this is on
our list But I can see that some people would
probably have a problem with this being on our
list Who wants to speak about the Patriot? I
just found the movie kind of boring and It just
didn't really grab my attention, but you are
right though. There aren't many films about the
Revolutionary War Civil War. There's tons but
revolutionary were Handful at most. Yeah, when
you go to like Civil War, especially World War
two You know even an end to like the Vietnam
War there is a Good number of films there, especially
World War two in the Civil War. But for some
reason Yeah, I think this this time period I
don't know if people are afraid to tackle it
or or what I Love this film simply because as
you said Kevin it kind of melds Fiction and facts
all at the same time. It's taking someone that
might have been like a family that might have
been alive during that time. And it, you know,
it, it does that. And I love that about it because
it focuses on the story of the family and it
focuses on obviously the father son relationship
and the fact that he doesn't want his kids to
grow up to be, you know, this cold heartless
soldier that he used to be. And I just, I just
think the film is amazing. It's, it just, it's
one of the better war films I would say from,
you know, in the two thousands. You know, it's
that generational war film, even though it's
about the Revolutionary War. I mean, everybody,
everybody was, not just because of Gibson either.
I, you know, I've sat on the show before and
I've sat on other podcasts. I like Mel up to
the point where he went crazy. I still like Mel.
And I still like him and I can still watch him
for the stuff that he's done in the past, but
if he came out with movies today, I don't know.
I just think another thing that gives this movie
some credit is there is some good acting in this.
Between Mel Gibson, Chris Cooper, Jason Isaacs,
there's some real good performances here. There's
some great lines of dialogue and there's some
just darn right bloody, like horrific action.
I'm not sure if our history teacher showed us
this. I don't know. It was probably one of those
many community college courses. I could have
sworn I saw this in some sort of school setting
even though I had already graduated high school.
I could have sworn I saw this somehow where someone
told me if you slow mow it up enough, the cannonball
scene... You can see every step from the cannon
being fired into when it hits the guy. Well,
what some real good stuff to watch on this one
actually is some of the special features. Oh,
yeah. There are some special features on at least
on the original DVD release of this film that
really give you a good idea of how war was fought
back then and and. Into some of the weapons that
they were using and whatnot and there's some
very interesting cannonball and musket and and
stuff like that features Even down to the uniforms
that they're wearing and stuff like that that
really give you a good idea of how things really
were during that time period So the special features
are definitely worth it, especially for anybody
that's teaching this time period. Oh Yeah, Dan
your thoughts on the Patriot It's it's okay.
I'm not a huge fan of that movie. I don't dislike
it I think there are a lot of honorable mentions
that we mentioned that I would probably put ahead
of that there are great moments in that film,
but as a whole I think it doesn't it pales in
comparison into other things we mentioned like
dear hunter or even like Tora Tora Tora or even
block like Black Hawk Down and Zero Dark Thirty
But like you mentioned, it's it's great. It's
hard It's a hard period to quantify in a film
is the Revolutionary War those battles are you
know, they're not the most cinematic at times
Just it's how brutal they are. So I guess in
that aspect. It's kind of good that they're we're
spreading a little around a little bit And going
into our number eight, we're bouncing all over
the time period here, because we've gone from
1970 to 2000, and now we're going to back to
1989. And we're also going to catch another war
here. 1989 is going to be talking about the Civil
War, and that film is Glory, starring Matthew
Broderick, Denzel Washington, Carey Ells, Morgan
Freeman. And Neil, it's from Star Trek. Directed
by Edward Zwick. I think this is a great Civil
War film. There's a lot of good Civil War stuff
out there, but I was expecting this movie to
make the list, and I am glad that it did. It
got some Academy Award nominations and wins.
And it was on some AFI stuff too. It was nominated
for the hundred years a hundred movies One of
the heroes is nominated for a hundred heroes
in a hundred years So it does have the acclaim
unlike obviously the Patriot didn't Who's a big
fan of glory that would like to talk about glory?
I saw this movie in my grade 10 American history
class and I Don't often gravitate think this
is actually the movie that really got me into
war movies actually because I remember watching
it and just learning about the first black regiment
and I remember going up to my teacher Mr. Perry
afterwards thinking man that was fucking awesome
what else you got and I think he threw me a copy
of Full Metal Jacket next and some other movies
and I don't know just I love Broadway's performance
in this i love i can't the the i can't remember
the guy who has the glasses in the unit that
wasn't dens or just i remember him dying poorly
and they called him like a coward and once again
it's one of those scenes that really sticks with
me and them fighting on the beach and everything
i don't know just i really like glory it also
had a wonderful soundtrack to it some great Performances
and it showed a side of the civil war that I
myself before that had never really thought about
Dan you had this list ranked on your on your
votes as well. What are your thoughts on glory?
I think we're glory really signs. It's it's it's
a very human story It it takes you know the war
the civil war and but what is a key? component
of this is not necessarily the war itself, but
the war within human nature and its inability
to kind of get along because the big key here
is the the conflict between African Americans
and the white soldiers and it does it really
well and it doesn't Sometimes when you deal with
a movie that has deals with race and race conflict
it gets really kind of cheesy and overly generic,
but I think it this didn't do that and it Represented
the issue well and with some of the best actors.
I mean Denzel and Morgan Freeman To this movie
helped kind of make them huge stars I mean it
was the break breakout film for Denzel Washington
or one of the breakout films and he gives an
amazing performance along with Morgan Freeman
and From Matthew Broderick. It's probably his
best serious role that he's ever done And and
even in the war sequences are great the battle
sequences. It's well shot It's super beautiful
film and I think like I mentioned the best part
is just how it's a very human story and it places
Even if you don't know much about the Civil War
or if you are lacking in that area, you can get
invested because it allows you to know who these
people were beyond just being soldiers. Agreed.
I don't think you could have put that any better.
No, not at all. I think people are going to find
it not necessarily hard, but they're going to
be one of those jaw -dropping moments of Watching
a certain 1986 comedy with a classic character
that Broderick played and then seeing this because
that Again, as we talked in our in the last episode
about comedic actors going serious. I Bet that
was a shock for a lot of people seeing Ferris
Bueller as the as the character in glory Yeah,
it was really a surprise just to see how well
he pulled that off Like wow, you are not just
a one -hit wonder kid exactly And in fitting,
I don't know, it's kind of weird how it worked
out like this, because for number 10 we were
at World War II, then we went to the Revolutionary
War, and then we went to the Civil War, and we
are hitting our fourth war here with number seven,
and we're going back to 1987, visiting the Vietnam
War via full metal jacket. Number seven really
this should have placed a little higher in this
should have very I would say that until I look
at the ones that are above it But yeah, Full
Metal Jacket is our number seventh one 1987 film.
Obviously the Stanley Kubrick film here Matthew
Modine are Mike's law and order of man there
Vincent D 'Onofrio Adam Baldwin In this Obviously
is kind of like a cult favorites when it comes
to war films And it's gotten quite the reception
It has a 97 % on Rotten Tomatoes, which you know,
not a lot of movies get that high of a percentage
It ranks number 95 on AFI is 100 years 100 thrills
You know a lot of people love this film so who
would like to talk about full metal jacket I
have a question for the panel before anyone talks
about it How many people stop watching the movie
after Hartman gets shot? I know. It's a good
point if you want to take a break, if you want
to go grab a snack and come back. But I can see
your point because it's almost like this was
two different movies spliced together. Yeah.
Because actually, there's a wonderful documentary.
If you guys can get the Blu -ray 25th anniversary
for this movie. Whoa, it's like two hours of
like amazingness. But yeah, I mean, Mike's got
a point though, because once you get out of the
training camp and you go to actually Saigon.
it's it's a completely different movie because
the characters are really really easy to identify
when they're in training but when they're in
the field they're all dressed the same i know
that's supposed to be the kind of imagery and
the iconophy that you're supposed to see here
i don't know it does kind of lose its effect
until you get to about the last 10, 15 minutes
of this film with what happens with Joker. You
know what? I can talk so far as when he shoots
the little girl, that really hits home and then
they start singing the Mickey Mouse song. And
I remember thinking as a kid, oh, that's kind
of goofy. That's kind of weird. But then once
you listen to the commentary on this movie with
with like Adam Baldwin, Matthew Modine and all
that, you really get a really weird insight into
it. And Yeah, like this is this is probably my
favorite war movie. Simply because, like I said,
all the performances are great. Hartman is amazing.
They are are Lee Emory. This man can never die
if if if anybody gets a pass on death, it's him
Because he makes that role. I mean he was a former
drill sergeant He was really pestering these
these guys and I remember they say off -camera
He's like a really sweet old man, and they don't
expect this from him But when they need him to
turn on the charm so to speak he's right there.
Um And this was also my first Stanley Kubrick
movie I saw this first and then I saw of uh clockwork
orange this is the only cubric movie i've ever
seen beginning to end i just don't like his i've
tried watching other films of his but i just
don't i might this is not my it's just not my
thing i don't dislike other films that he's done
but it's just like no thanks if i were to recommend
one cubric movie to you i'd say clockwork orange
2001 you gotta be in the right headspace for
Eyes wide shut was, eyes wide, I don't give a
shit. Exactly. It wasn't my thing either, but
Full Metal Jacket just had that right appeal
about it where it could apply to everybody. Because
everybody was like 20 years out of Vietnam, people
seeing this and we were like Vietnam vets saying,
hey, That's what happened to me at camp or when
we were in the war. That's what happened. Like
you'd get fired upon from random positions. You
didn't know where it was coming from. And the
enemies you were fighting could very well have
been civilians because Vietnam was a different
war. It was really guerrilla. I mean, World War
Two, Korea, etc. The other guys wore uniforms.
They weren't hiding in ghillie suits all the
time. They weren't suicide bombers running at
you with like, you know, explosives chained to
their chest. And that's something Full Metal
Jacket, they got the brutal style of Vietnam
War without being too bloody about it. It really
said a lot, I felt. Now, let me ask you guys
this. As the wars have progressed here in the
US, well, just with the specific wars that the
US has been involved in, specifically between
World War II and Vietnam, did the army get...
How am I going to word this? Did the Army get
really desperate? Because, take a look at, no,
no, no, seriously. No, no, they did because.
Wait, because, take a look at Steve Rogers. He
was essentially a 4F. Nobody, if you get 4F status,
you don't get to be in the service. And you look
at Gomer Pyle here. There's no way, unless they
were absolutely desperate for soldiers, there's
no way they would have even let him into boot
camp. I'm gonna piss off a lot of people with
what I'm about to say. Put that disclaimer out
there. But you're right, okay, if you're talking
about wars like, let's start from the beginning,
if you're talking about US, Revolutionary War,
on through the Civil War, on through World War
I and World War II, people came out of the woodwork.
to get involved and sign up to fight in these
wars basically. You had professional baseball
players leaving baseball to go fight in these
wars. I understand you have drafts and stuff
like that, but basically it was like a patriotic
duty, it was an honor, it was like, sign me up.
You were getting the best of the best wanting
to be involved in these wars. When you get to...
you know into the Korean War, Vietnam and and
and you know even into the modern day wars especially
with Vietnam people weren't proud of that war
it wasn't like lost well no I'm just saying no
no I'm saying even going into it people were
not They didn't want to be involved in that it
wasn't like World War two where where you didn't
you know? The marketing and everything didn't
almost even need to be there. It was you know
We need to go help out we need to do this like
everybody's on board everybody's for it You know
obviously people were politically disagreeing
with Vietnam people were you know and and it
got to a point where Just in society, war no
longer was something that was attracting the
best of the best. The best of the best were finding
ways to not get involved in wars. The best of
the best were getting involved in business. The
best of the best were finding every way they
could to avoid having to go to war. And it has
turned, you know, and it shifted. The army, you
know, the armed forces are not comprised of the
same demographic or the same population of people
that it had been in the past. I'm not saying
necessarily it's a, you know, I'm not ripping
on anybody that's involved in the armed forces
now, but it shifted when all of a sudden wars
became not the popular, you know, all for one,
one for all type thing that it had been in the
past. Right, I just I'm just going through the
full metal jacket Wikipedia article and I just
have to bring this bit of trivia up I cannot
believe this the original plan envisioned Anthony
Michael Hall Bryan from Breakfast Club starring
his private Joker There's no way in hell that
this film would be what it is If that was if
it was Anthony Michael Hall and as Joker no way
he's too young at that time Mean I could see
it maybe but they'd have to rewrite the role
Because he couldn't carry the film himself No,
he was at the right age and the right experience
if Hall was a secondary character saying hi I'm
just 18. I'm here to fight Maybe if they had
him be a friend to Joker and have him die during
basic or have Gomer kill him first and then Hartman?
Yeah, I could totally see that, but no, he could
not carry that film. Yeah, no, not at all. Dan,
what are your thoughts on Full Metal Jacket coming
in here in the number seven spot? Oh, very glad
it made the list. Like what you guys mentioned
a lot about it already. And again, this thing.
You can't talk about that without talking about
Arlie Ermey, who is just the highlight of that
movie. He's amazing. Just his sense of humor
and just how he ad -libbed everything he said.
And it made sense for Stanley Kubrick to get
someone like an actual... You know someone who
does that role in real life and regarding the
two halves I kind of I like that format and I
I probably maybe a few people like like the second
half a little bit more I think both are fantastic,
but I just I just love that the sniper sequence
in in the second half it's one of my favorite
of all war films and You mentioned other I mean
Stanley Cooper has a lot of great war movies.
I mean Puzzle Glory, one of the best World War
I movies of all time. You can see a lot of that
influence on things like Savior Private Ryan,
and also Doctor Strangelove, which is not necessarily,
I guess, maybe war film, maybe not, depending
on how you look at it. But yeah, great. Film
on a Jacket, it was able to do a lot of things,
was able to be comedic, dark, and respectful,
and have a really poignant message without being
blatant. So going into our number six pick on
our top ten list We're actually going to stay
with the same war and stay just about the same
year almost we're going to 1986 for Mr. Beringer
William Defoe and Charlie Sheen and this Vietnam
film is platoon The first casualty of war is
innocence. Now, obviously this one had all kinds
of acclaim, winning best picture. Roger Deaver
gave it four out of four stars calling it the
best film of the year and the ninth best of the
entire decade. It has 87 % on Rotten Tomatoes.
It was number 83 on AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies.
Most of us had it somewhere on our list, so who
would like to speak to Platoon? It's it's funny
that this beat out full metal jacket. It's kind
of fitting because by one point yeah at the time
I mean full metal jacket I think people forget
that wasn't really a film that was loved by like
the Academy Awards didn't really get anything
and a lot of the reason it's because Platoon
came out the year before and it was so loved
it just it was almost like Vietnam fatigue at
that point but platoon is another it's It is
these two films. It depends like I keep going
back and forth with which one I like more like
it's almost like whatever when I won't watch
the last time but I I love platoon and it's back
when Charlie seen actually had innocence. It's
crazy to think that but he did and there's it
It really told that story. Well of the Vietnam
War and gave that there were a lot of great Vietnam
war films before that and it's hard to kind of
do something new with a topic that was visited
so much but they did that and with really great
imagery and again another strong cast and some
great actors and it it almost felt like apocalypse
now The lighter version is not as heavy with
the imagery and the more metaphorical meanings,
but uh, yeah, I I love platoon. It's a it's a
classic all -time grade Another one of those
movies I saw when I was in high school and immediately
fell uh in love with Just a great movie over.
I love trojan. I love william defoe as the the
wise one who gets, you know dead um but no i
really like this movie it's one of those movies
i've been meaning to buy on blu -ray for quite
some time probably we'll buy on amazon literally
as we type this uh but yeah it's it's one of
those movies that's staged here plus it had a
really once again great soundtrack to it and
all the enough had a video game i don't know
how the hell you make a nintendo game at a platoon
but they did they sure did goodness that cracks
me up I would speak more to this but it's just
been so long since I've seen this movie I did
I did rank it on my list because I remember the
impact I had on me when I did see it but I'm
not gonna be able to speak to too many details
just because I need to rewatch this like tomorrow
I'm the same way because I haven't seen this
since since high school right so it's you know
we've had our two Vietnam films and we've had
all US wars going up through this juncture But
that is about to change with our number five
film on the list. We're going not just a few
years back, we're going a long way back. Except
for film release wise, we're only going to back
to the year 2000. And our number five film is
the epic historical drama. The film that made
Russell Crowe relevant. Gladiator. This is the
film that I'm surprised made the list actually.
Do all my gushing and then let you guys bring
me back to reality. I guess I Still think this
for me from the year that decade from 2000 to
2009 This is like at the top of my list. This
is to me one of the best films of the decade
I just think there's so much to like about this
film. And the thing about this film is it was
popular across the board when it came out. It
was popular in every age group, every demographic.
People watch this film over and over again. I
mean, Russell Crowe was freaking amazing. Joaquin
Phoenix was amazing. And I just think there were
just so many epic parts. I mean, it almost belongs
more maybe in an epic film category than a straight
war category. It obviously won best picture as
far as AFI goes. It had a member on, you know,
General Maximus Decimus Meridius was number 50
on the top 100 heroes on AFI's list. Emperor
Commodus was nominated as a villain. It got in
100 years, 100 movie quotes. Father to a murdered
son husband to a murdered wife and I will have
my vengeance in this life for the next Its score
was nominated in AFI 100 list. It's You know,
the movie was nominated itself So I mean a lot
of people love this film and and it's still one
of my all -time favorite movies But let you guys
bring me back to earth and tell me why it's not
there ever a line in this movie Where crow screamed
something wasn't there some famous line? There's
a lot of famous lines in here I don't remember
what he said, but there was one scene where he
screamed something, and it was in every single
trailer that this movie had. Are you not entertained?
Yeah. That's what he screamed. Something like
that. And why does that remind me of For Sparta
from 300 or whatever? Because that's what they
were trying to capture, the feeling that this
movie gave when he did that. But to me, it just
boils down to the story, though. You have this
guy who is basically in a perfect position. Having
his life torn away from him, you know reduced
to slavery and then somehow being able to rise
back up and to get his vengeance I'm not saying
it's very realistic or anything like that, but
it is just a great movie and for me last thing
I'll say before I let you guys talk So many of
the movies that try to go into these Long time
ago eras are terrible Or completely flop. I mean
you can just go down the list Alexander Troy
Kingdom of Heaven King Arthur, I mean even though
I find bits and pieces of those that I can enjoy
What's that But say if we're talking about all
those companies, I think what was it was first
night the one with like Sean Connery. Yes Wasn't
there another one called Camelot and it was kind
of halfway shit, too Yeah, but I'm seeing like
all of these that go into that genre. It's because
I think you ride the thin line between history
and fantasy, where it almost wants to draw in
the Dungeons and Dragons nerd, to which I am
a part of. Because we expect those epics. Yeah.
But this is the one that for me went to that
era, went to those long time ago forgotten eras,
and somehow was able to still get it right and
not you know what it was i i think kevin it was
the michael bay of historical action movies because
think about how think about how fast that movie
moves it's like somebody competent directed all
the character scenes and they let michael bay
do all the action scenes think about that like
watch that movie with with that mindset like
oh yeah it totally works I just think, you know,
Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix together was
just ridiculous in this film. Oh yeah. Yeah,
it doesn't surprise me that Dodd brings that
up about how the film moves considering it was
by one of, it was directed by one of the Scott
brothers, Ridley Scott, so. Yeah, but his movies
move like molasses though. This is his, this
is his, you know. His first alien drags in places.
But yeah, I mean this is arguably one of his
best movies, but you can see why people love
it and why some people hate it I mean no matter
which we spent it. It's a it's an entertaining
movie no matter what and It spawned many many
D &D characters ever since I Just think you know
just for some of the dialogue. It's just amazing
Dan. What do you think? I'm Big proponent of
gladiator. It was on my top ten and I think I
had it at around number nine or number ten again
You mentioned Russell Crowe. It's it it one of
his best performances also, I kind of butcher
his name, but Digimon has has you yeah the his
uh, you know his partner in crime I guess you
would say in the gladiator ring. He was also
great as well walking Phoenix and Think it's
probably if you look Ridley Scott's last great
film He's had a lot of good films since then
but it's last great film that I would put up
there. I I just I love the fact that it like
Mike mentioned it has really great action but
and it's within that great action there's a solid
story and with solid characters and with great
performances It's kind of funny, back in one
of my old jobs, when we would get really bored,
we would, my friend and I at work would create
these tournaments of classic movie characters
and face them off like in a death match against
one another just because, you know, that's what
we do. And the person who would always end winning
the tournament was always Maximus, just because
I just loved that character and his ability to,
he's a great fighter and it's just a... not just
a great writer, but we forget that he's actually
a general as well and his ability to command
and You need someone like Russell Crowe to play
that part Which I thought he was amazing at but
yeah, I think as time has gone on I feel almost
the sediment towards this movie has gone negative
I'm not I don't know if it's because of With
these glass, you know more recent films you it's
kind of gotten people less excited about the
movie But I I still I still love the movie. I
find it entertaining and For an epic of this
nature. It's still maintained. It doesn't like
it doesn't crawl like we mentioned It's it's
well edited and it keeps the pace going but never
really dragging too much it so Anyways, I love
I'm glad it made a list What I love about this
film is that the filming started in in January
and May of 99 I guess Ridley needed two years
after GI Jane to be able to make one of the greatest
movies in gladiator And and to me it all just
boils down to that that that scene when he's
finally Revealing himself to comma this walking
in Phoenix Like that is it's impossible not to
remember that scene You know with that quote
that I read off earlier and just when he finally
it says, you know Reveals himself and just scares
the living shit Out of comedists like I don't
know how you ever can forget that scene. That
is just it was so perfectly done All right, so
now that we're into our top five we'll keep them
countdown moving here and go to our number fourth
On the list and we're going back to World War
two here and it was 1993 drama from Steven Spielberg
And to me, this is number one on my list as far
as the war movies of all time and that Schindler's
list This movie is as close to perfectly done
as you can possibly get I don't know how anybody
can criticize or critique this film in any way.
There was no RoboCop. There you go. I just don't
know how you can find something wrong about this
film. You know, it was all over the Academy Award,
Best Picture, Best Director, etc. As far as capturing
the other side of war and capturing the Holocaust,
As far as that component of World War two Like
it does not get any better than this for me This
is a film that can be used in a classroom So
easily, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of stuff
that you don't want to show kids because it is
so real that it'll shock kids But there's so
much stuff that just it's visually just explains
things and hits home and like Following the girl
in the red dress In an otherwise black -and -white
movie and then I mean I could go on this movie
Over and over and I would just would never shut
up. I love this movie so much As far as AFIs
100 years 100 movies that came in at number nine
Number 13 hero for Oscar Schindler number 15
villain for a man goth It's just a great movie
And I'm very happy that it's on our list and
number four is not a bad spot for it. Anybody
else have seen Schenler's list? This is another
one I remember being shown in history class.
Well, it's just like there's so many good parts
of it. Like I didn't show it in its entirety
because I was teaching middle school and some
parts are just not appropriate for them. But
like the scene where they have a mound of all
the shoes that they're collecting. Or the teeth,
you know gold teeth that they're taking out of
people's mouths or or this or that and it's just
I mean It's so real and so It just affects you.
I Think senior list is where Spielberg really
grew up as a director it not that he was immature,
but he It was, I think still to this day, it's
his masterpiece. It's his best film. And it took
a really difficult topic. You know, the Holocaust,
obviously, it's one of the saddest. the most
tragic events in human history and there's been
movies about it and it's a really easy topic
to get into like the tragedy porn aspect of it
where you kind of just overdo the tragedy and
it gets to the point where you just it's just
too much to bear but I think he did it in a very
subtle way while still being very impactful and
like you mentioned those those small moments
that that are everlasting and the the actually
the blu -ray of this just came out the 20th anniversary
blu -ray and it's absolutely beautiful it's just
gorgeous black and white and it shows you it
i think that was a genius move to decide to shoot
it in black and white because it almost it it
made it even that more drab that more that more
um rememberable because it just it the life was
just sucked out of you and but not in a negative
way but you kind of have to when you approach
a topic that is so controversial and such a heavy
issue, it's hard to do right. And this is done
beyond right. It's done as best as you can possibly
do it. It's in every aspect, cinematography,
score, acting, script writing, and direction.
And it's, again, one of the best movies of the
90s, maybe the one of the best movies the last
30 years. If we were just to remove best war
films, I think this would Just say best movies
since 1970 this would I would say would have
to be within the top five So I'm really glad
it made the top five of this list. I Think another
thing just real quick is another thing that really
makes this film so great is is how accurate and
how How much attention to detail was given how
much research and how much advice and everything
went into really taking a very touchy subject
and accurately portraying it to the nth degree.
And I think that's what Spielberg does. I mean,
he is one of those directors that if he does
a piece like this or like Lincoln, he wants to
get it right. He just doesn't want to, you know,
oh, hey, let's fictionalize it. What I find interesting
about Schindler's List and the casting, Ben Kingsley,
who plays Stern in Schindler's List, this year
becomes the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. I find that
very, very interesting casting. And, you know,
Liam Neeson is just... Oh, yeah. It surprises...
Outside of what I think are just crappy movies
in the Taken series, it surprises me where Liam
Neeson pops up. You've got him in Star Wars.
You've got him in the A -Team, if you like, the
A -Team movie, if not, fine, whatever. But he
pops up at the least likely moments that you
expect him to. I think he's kind of turning into
this generation's Malcolm McDowell. He'll do
anything for a paycheck as long as it's fun.
So give it about 10 years and Liam Neeson may
indeed be doing birthday parties. Well, I mean,
it's to the point where he has done so many epic
things that, like, he has nothing left to prove.
It's like, I'm just going to have fun now. He's
like, I'm fucking awesome. What are you going
to do about it? Any other people have thoughts
on Schindler's List? All right. Guess not. Then
we will move to our number three on the list.
We're getting towards that top one here, number
three. Another film that we've already covered
a couple different times. We're going back to
1979 and we're going to touch on the Vietnam
War one more time. This time through the eyes
of Francis Ford Coppola and starring Marlon Brando
and not Charlie Sheen, but Martin Sheen. We're
going to Apocalypse Now as our number three war
film on our list. Who would like to start with
Apocalypse Now? Dan, that was number one on your
list. Yeah, it was number one. Depreciate apocalypse
now. I think what you also have to do is watch
the Heart of the Heart of Darkness the documentary
about the making of Apocalypse now and just how
That's also I had to read that book in college
actually so you could also read the book Heart
of Darkness and then It's it's pretty intense.
Yeah, and just I mean Martin Sheen almost killed
himself. It was crazy Just everything that went
on to that movie in a way you can almost it If
you look at the 1970s, it was a decade of directors
who had major control over all their films. In
Apocalypse Now, it took years to make. It cost
so much money, went over budget. It kind of stopped
that. So a lot of people look at it as the bookend
of that era because of what studios were like,
okay, maybe we shouldn't give directors this
much power. But anyways, regarding the film we
talked about earlier, it's kind of the reason
I brought, I asked you about the thin run line.
regarding its historical accuracy and kind of
taking a event like a war and placing your vision
upon it, because that is what apocalypse now
is. It's not trying to be, hey, this is a direct
representation of what happened. It's beyond
that. It's deep in every way possible. Everything
that's said and everything that's done has three
or four or five or six different meanings to
it. It's a movie that you have to watch repeatedly,
I think, to kind of understand where it's going.
Don't watch director's cut. It's actually horrible.
Watch the original cut. It's much better. Well,
you have to tell us why the director's cut is
bad. It's just a lot long. It's really long,
but it's just extra stuff that doesn't need to
be there. It doesn't really flow with it. It
feels really forced in and it really hurts the
film as a whole. To speak to what you were saying
before, though, I think the reason why I have
more of a problem with the Thin Red Line doing
it is also the war that they're covering. And
with Apocalypse Now, I think it's just somehow
by default becomes more accepting to have people
take and put their own vision on it because it's
dealing with the Vietnam War, which in and of
itself is such a convoluted, controversial, multifaceted
war. Compared to doing something like that with
like a World War two or something like that So
I think it's just it's just somehow more accepting
for a francis for coppola to do this with a vietnam
war Than than what I see with the thin red line.
So that's where the difference is for me Okay,
I mean, yeah, I mean that makes sense. But I
like I mentioned I think it apocalypse zone never
tries to represent itself as hey look I'm trying
to be this I'm trying to be a biography of this
real -life soldier. It's pretty evident from
the start that hey, this is This is not a true
to life story, but it's amazingly done and I
to me when I think of What you can do because
when I look at There's different ways you can
handle a war film You can be an acro representation
saying I want to show people what it was like
to be in a war I want to give these soldiers
their just do so people know what they had to
go through or you can take Something like that.
You can take a historical event and shape it
into a certain way in order to Kind of get to
a certain meaning or certain be like certain
hypothesis or theory on something I mean you
see it all the time with paintings with every
form of art And I think just I think it's fine
to do with that with a movie if it's well crafted
enough and for instance for Coppola is one of
the best directors I mean his I don't think there's
a director ever that had as strong a decade as
he did in the 70s I mean Godfather the conversation,
you know apocalypse now. It's pretty impressive
film list right there. So that's why I just think
it is a representation of what you can do with
something like a war movie and go beyond anything
that was done before and has been done since.
So it currently has a 99 % on Rotten Tomatoes.
Like I said, that's very hard to do. Mike or
Mike, what are your thoughts on Apocalypse Now?
You can go Mike. It's one of those movies, such
iconic imagery, like seeing Martin Sheen just
rise out of that pool of mud. Fucking awesome.
I had that as like my desktop background for
like a year. I just love that scene. Plus that
Flight of the Valkyries sequence. I love this
whole napalm in the morning. Yeah. So much cool
shit came out of this movie. And Marlon Brando
before he went crazy and started eating butter
for fun. Just. Once again, fantastic film. And
there's not too much more can be said about it.
Although, Dan's right. Watch the documentary.
It gives you a whole new insight into it. Yeah.
I just find it funny that you go from being a
doomed Kryptonian to a general. You and your
references. Also, the other thing about this,
and this is a question I have to ask again because
we talked about it earlier. Was it too soon?
I'm not saying this movie's bad at all, but this
movie came out in 79 Vietnam ended in 75 This
came out four years after the war Yeah, I'm kind
of surprised they got funding for that and I
know there was all the the production had many
problems Just dealing with the fallout from the
war Yeah, I don't necessarily think so. I mean
zero dark 30 just came out and that I mean that's
dealing with the last decade and up to a few
years ago. I don't think, it depends on what
you're doing with a story. I mean, there was
World War II movies coming out or images of World
War II during the war. I don't know. I'm the
person that thinks you have to have time, needs
to elapse before you can make something. Sometimes
having a film made in the moment is almost better
because you can then look back on it and see
like, okay, what was the understanding of that
war at the time? Because what we think about
something now is much different than what was
going on back then. So it's like having something
like Hurt Locker being made that shows a kind
of representation of the Iraq war or the Afghanistan
war which I mean it's hard to do because there's
been a lot of movies about the Iraq war that
have been rather terrible because they get so
lost in the in the in the politics of it and
it's more about trying to prove a point rather
than make a good movie I think so that's where
the issues come but Think saying I'll have to
wait a few years before we can tell the story
if you have a story that's respectful And it
doesn't try to exploit what happened. I don't
have an issue with it. I don't think you have
to wait I don't have an issue with United 93
coming out a couple years after September 11th
because I felt it was a great represent It represented
that moment and it was important and almost allows
us to move forward in some way It's almost like
a part of the healing process. So I don't have
an issue with it. Yeah All right, any other thoughts
on our number three movie on the list apocalypse
now mike no all right well that is our third
vietnam war film but not to be outdone is world
war two because our third world war two film
will come in at our number two spot and that
is going to be the 1998 saving private ryan which
i know would top a lot of people's lists um another
amazing Film from Steven Spielberg And saving
private Ryan, I mean what didn't it win when
it came out? It didn't win it didn't win Best
Picture. That's what it didn't win, right? Except
for best original song. Yeah, exactly. I mean
it got nominated for 11 Academy Awards And it's
on all kinds of AFIs lists. I won't go into all
the numbering, but I'm not at all surprised that
Saving Private Ryan is on our list. If it was
not on our list, that would pretty much make
our list an immediate epic fail. So I'm not surprised
that it's on our list. Am I surprised that it's
number two? I'm not really even surprised that
it's number two. It's an awesomely done movie.
I mean, I had Schindler's List ahead of it, but
I can see why other people might have Saving
Private Ryan ahead of it. Um, who wants to speak
on Saving Private Ryan? Oh my god, I forgot the
cast in this movie. You forgot what? I forgot
most of the casting in this movie outside of
Hanks and Sizemore. Vin Diesel! Edward Burns,
Vin Diesel, Genovani Ribzi, Matt Damon, Ted Danson.
What the hell is Sam Malone doing in this movie?
I forgot he was in this! Baljee Amati, Dennis
Farina. Just... bunch Brian Cranston Mr. Breaking
Bad himself what is he doing yeah and everyone's
favorite firefly Nathan Fillion I I didn't see
this movie when it first came on I saw it a number
of years later I like it it's a good movie It's
probably something I need to go back and watch
because Like I said, I saw it a few years after
it came out and I haven't seen it since if you
want to if you want to show somebody teach a
class about You know if you've been going through
with a class and teaching them different things
about war and how you know the revolutionary
war was fought and whatnot If you want to teach
someone about at that time modern war and how
that was done Right. I mean if you just show
them the whatever it is the 30 minute storming
of the of the beach clip I mean, that is just
ridiculous. I want to hear something really disturbing,
guys, and I take kind of a weird pleasure out
of this. You take weird pleasures out of a lot
of things. Oh, this is where I show my sadistic
side. So feedback at thisweekendgeek .net for
all hate mail. I love the fact that the battle
scenes were so realistic. It gave World War II
veterans nightmares. And there's the hate mail
right there. It was even supposedly, I'm reading
some stuff up on it, is an influence on Quentin
Tarantino for Inglourious Basterds as far as
just watching this film and being in awe of what
they did. It's like, you can't look at, this
was the most, at the time for me, this was the
most real war film I had ever seen. as far as
not talking about the other sides of war like
with Schindler's List or whatnot, but you take
all of the films that were done back in the day
that couldn't show this or couldn't show that
or kind of sugar -coated things. This stripped
everything away as far as a major combat film.
We're not talking about guerrilla warfare. We're
not talking about the type of fighting that you
would see in like Vietnam or whatever. I'm just
talking about straight -up war. Like this was
real. They did not Make this easy to watch I
Mean also with Savior Private Ryan, it's also
a technical marvel I mean its use of sound has
been copied ever since then I mean, I don't think
you've heard like it's used You know, we've all
seen the grenade effect where you have the grenade
in the ring of the years and that how that sequence
You know everything becomes really silent that
was really started with this movie and it's been
repeated, you know ad nauseam since then and
It's beyond just like whatever everything you
mentioned Kevin. Just it's it was it took it
everything that was at its disposal and made
a really well crafted movie and it was Really
well directed and it I'm glad it made it deserves
to be within the top five it I mean it told the
story that was at this at one and in some moments
very kind of depressing and downright, you know
It's hard not to be cynical after seeing all
these things people go through and then having
kind of an uplifting message as well But it's
fantastic. And like you mentioned if you want
to see Just what war is like I've never been
in it So I can only assume that watching this
is the closest thing I'll overcome hopefully
to being part of it and let me read something
here from for you World War two veterans stating
that the film was the most realistic depiction
of combat they had ever seen. The film was so
realistic that combat veterans of D -Day in Vietnam
left theaters rather than finish watching the
opening scene depicting the Normandy invasion.
Their visits to post -traumatic stress disorder
counselors arose in number after the film's release,
and counselors were advising that the more psychologically
vulnerable of veterans avoid watching it. And
I think we should also mention, because it almost
sounds like we're glorifying the way we're talking
about it, almost like glorifying what Hey, look
at what's happening. But I think it's very I
mean even ever since then it's been very a huge
proponent of kind of veteran veteran rights and
kind of allowing us as normal citizens to understand
what they went through and it would never was
glorifying war it was representing what it was
really like so You know these veterans can get
the respect that they deserve because of everything
they did, you know Not to sound cheesy, but for
our freedom. I mean like they they went into
You know bullet fire running in the bullet fire
knowing that they're probably gonna die, which
is kind of crazy and it and This along with like
Banner Brothers Which kind of it's almost the
other story of Savior Private Ryan and how that
even expanded upon it further It's just that
to me is just the quintessential World War two
Back to World War two, I'm gonna pop in Banner
Brothers. I'm gonna pop in Savior Private Ryan
because I don't think you can get any better
than that Spielberg really knows how to tackle
history. I mean just look at you know, no seriously
he does well from 93 with Schindler's List, which
we already talked about to to this to To Amistad
doing that movie. I mean I'm Lincoln Yeah, Lincoln.
I was looking at more sorely like before that
happened, but I was but I mean it's it's one
of those things where As I said before, he knows
how to make a good, historically accurate film.
Well, he knows how, like we talked about before,
he knows how to walk the line. He knows how to
straddle the line of accurately portraying something
without making it too sugar -coated or too Hollywoodized
or, you know. too unrealistic, he just does it
the right way with historical films for me, at
least. That's his bread and butter. Yeah, it
is. I find it funny that our countdown here has
had World War II in Vietnam dominated and it's
also had Spielberg dominated. Yeah, we've had
three World War II movies, we've had three Vietnam
movies, only one Civil War, only one Revolutionary,
and then of course Gladiator from back in the
olden days. Any other thoughts on saving Private
Ryan? Not for me fucking awesome bias All right,
well then that leads us to our number one film
on the list so far we have had Patton Patriot
Glory full metal jacket platoon gladiator Schindler's
list apocalypse now and saving private Ryan which
all leads us to our number one spot on our list
and Surprise, it's not anything about any of
the US featured wars we're going back old school
to the first war of scottish independence 1995
don't rave heart son of a bitch this is betrayal
and this is this fucking movie wow oh god the
reaction is strong from the panel even though
most of us had it on our list it's see to me
it's weird because you look at war do you classify
as modern warfare or historical warfare and maybe
that's how we should have almost divided this
list up if we went to uh to historical warfare
we would have only had two films on the list
well i'm sure there's other ones i know had to
extend the cutoff date but yeah i mean braveheart
over fucking saving private ryan apocalypse now
Well, this is how I got here though. If we're
going to look at things here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5th
on TFG1's list, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6th on Dan's list,
4th on Birdman's list, 2nd on Steve's list, and
1, 2, 3, 4, 5th on my list. So we basically all
had it in our top 5. Yeah, it is top five top
ten material, but it's not no. I'm sorry. There's
no blue everything else away No, I 19 points.
It was in number one spot Before we get to everybody's
apparently negative reactions, even though we
all put it in our top five It was obviously a
box office phenomenon at its time Got real good
reviews. Obviously one best picture best director
10 Academy Award nominations. AFI is 100 years
under Thrill's number 91. William Wallace was
nominated as one of the 100 heroes. They had
the quote taken, you know, they may take away
our lives, but they'll never take our freedom.
That score was nominated. It was nominated for
all kinds of stuff. uh... definitely got the
critical acclaim a lot of people love great part
especially in the nineties uh... what's good
and he hasn't said anything yet about great part
of the number one i'm surprised at summer when
i did have a number six i do think it walks on
top ten number one night i do think we necessary
for ryan chris less uh... what those record would
go above it with that they all that's is what
we're going to know i think this is what happens
here To me if you look at our top two Saving
Private Ryan and Braveheart are more so Universal
and what I say by that is what I mean by that
is like everybody appreciates and likes them
Compared to if you take some of the Vietnam films
There's more app to have somebody that leaves
one of those off You know what I mean or like
a Schindler's List might not appeal to everybody
as great as it as it is You know some of these
other films are not as whereas you get to like
a Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan No one dislikes
those movies. You know I mean they're gonna include
those movies whereas some of these other ones
Maybe one person leaves that off because they
don't care for that style or one person leaves
it off because they don't you know what I mean
Yeah, so I'm not surprised that these two kind
of rose up You know my time my top on machine
there's lists But I'm not surprised that these
two are near the top Yeah, and I think to part
of it it with with Braveheart It's I mean we
talked about historical accuracy Braveheart is
one that has very little But it's not something
many American audiences are coming in with a
background knowledge of. So they have no idea
how accurate it is or not. And so it's not really
a key factor. Not that that makes a movie good
or bad, but something like Apocalypse Now, like
we mentioned, which is, it's controversial. It's
not everyone's cup of tea. So I could see, like
you mentioned, why that wouldn't make it, or
something that's really weighty, like Shiner's
List. I doubt anyone's ever gonna say, you know
what my favorite movie is? Schindler's List because
it's not something you're gonna re -watch every
day because it's a tough watch. Braveheart, it
deals with hard topics. I mean, there's some
violence in it for sure. I mean, the last torture
sequence, I mean, it haunts my dreams to this
day, but I enjoy it. It's a well -crafted, some
really good battle sequences. Brendan Gleeson,
who I love, I mean, that guy's awesome in everything
he does. some craziness of Mel Gibson before
he was completely crazy. And to Mel Gibson's
credit, he is a fantastic director. I think he's
a much better director than he is actor. Not
saying he's a bad actor, but he knows how to
craft a story. He knows how to take a really
complex and large topic and make it and break
it down and make it flow really well. Like he
did that with something like Apocalyptia, which
is in a completely different language. But that's
not a great movie that I guess it wouldn't fit
this list, but I love Mel Gibson as a director,
and I really hope he kind of gets back to that.
It maybe gets a little less crazy. But surprise
is number one. But overall, I think that the
list as a whole is pretty strong. So you could
flip -flop a few things, but it's just the nature
of things, I guess. Using that same philosophy
that is some more of those universal appeals
a gladiator would have even been towards the
top because you know So many people don't dislike
that film Yeah, if we were looking at the fifth
list overall I mean if you're looking at Patton
and glory and Fullmetal Jack of platoon gladiator
shinless list apocalypse now saving private Ryan
and Braveheart I can see patriot being one that
people would be like that needs to go and something
else needs to be in its place But overall, I
mean those are ten epic war movies. I just think
if you flip -flopped one and two Saving Private
Ryan is an infinitely better movie than Braveheart.
If you flip -flop those two, I would be perfectly
happy, but the fact that Brave... I actually
had to look at... You probably shouldn't have
voted for Saving Private Ryan. I had to actually
look and make sure, because I wasn't sure what
number one was going to be until you started
saying, oh, 1995. I don't do the predictions
anymore, because everyone just looks at their
list and figures out which one hasn't been talked
about. Right, but see, I haven't had my list
open for any of the three... Countdowns we've
done so far here in GCR. So but I was thinking
I had to go back and look in the honorable mentions
to make sure King Pearl Harbor was not Not on
the list. I do I would walk out. I don't Like
you you could have got saving private Ryan to
number one had you ranked it But but no, it's
like I don't know and and I think partially why
I don't like Braveheart Even after it because
I saw it when it first went like it you ranked
at number five Well, I like it, but I don't like
it as much nowadays Like I like when I went back
and I watched it It was it was alright and then
and then you have that magical Animal Pixar story
that is essentially the same damn thing in animation.
That's yeah, but anyway Yeah, I did rank it number
five because overall, outside of the theatrics
of it, it is a good movie. I just don't think
it's a number one movie. I think it's a number
five movie. I think it's maybe the top five,
yeah. Yeah, I can see top five. The film's depiction
of the battle of Sterling Bridge was listed by
CNN as one of the best battles in cinema history.
I'm just reading that. I found that funny. Yeah,
I mean I could see I definitely expected it to
be in the top ten I did not expect it to be number
one I fully expected actually saving private
Ryan to be number one just even though I didn't
have it as number one I just expected that that's
the one that everyone's gonna vote on Yeah, like
I said overall I am very happy with this and
with this list Look just kind of giving your
thoughts overall not just on Braveheart though
just on the list overall Dan what are your thoughts
on the list overall? I have all the list we've
done so far. I think this is the one I'm usually
the happiest with You know, I think the one clarion
thing we mentioned is the Patriot but overall
I think every movie on this list you may not
agree where it is on it Like maybe this doesn't
deserve a number five. Maybe this should be number
seven, but everything else I think it deserves
to be in top ten and at war films there are a
ton of amazing war films you There are ones we
left off. I'm sure there's ones we didn't even
mention because there's there's it's such a A
lot of the great directors seem to kind of go
to war stories because of just what they provide
I mean something like they say fact is often
more appealing than fiction and there's no more
better human drama or more compelling stories
than the war, I mean that's the It it's kind
of the the best of us the worst of us and so
I think that it's really hard trying to quantify
and put just 30 or 40 years of war films in 10,
but I think we did a really solid job and I'm
really pleasantly surprised that Apocalypse Now
was as high as it was. I'm really happy Shenil's
list made it and I'm really happy that Savior
Prior to Orion was as high as it was. I think
out of the list we've done so far this is as
close as we've come to getting it right in my
opinion. 1 through 10. Obviously comedy is just
so much of a bigger There are so many different
avenues you can go in. Action is a little bit
more streamlined. But for this one, even though
there are so many war films and there are so
many good war films, I just think the cream of
the crop rose to the top here and we got basically
a solid list, 1 through 10. I don't see as many
people giving us a hard time on this one as they
did with our comedy one. Birdman, what are your
thoughts on the list overall? I think overall
we got this, like you said, pretty much right.
Yeah, there's a lot we left off because that
1970s cutoff date, but who knows if you ever
want to revisit this topic and do pre 1970, we
could easily find 10 movies there. But yeah,
I mean, like I said, the number one disappoints
me. I can see it from a certain angle. I mean,
the battle scenes were really fucking cool in
that movie. And it was honestly a really good
movie. It's not a war movie per se. I would almost
classify it as a historical epic. But I'm just
glad Apocalypse Now made the list, Full Metal
Jacket made it as high as it did, Saving Private
Ryan. Yeah, I think we did okay. Mr. TFG one
I With the exception of number one, I think we
did fantastic. I still think Good morning, Vietnam
should have at least been in the top. No, I'm
serious Not not not just because I like Robin
Williams, but I in I genuinely enjoy that movie
because it's showing you the Vietnam War from
a completely different angle It's almost showing
it to you not on the front lines. It's not showing
you The the events of the war is showing you
someone who gets thrown into that situation,
right? You know and that's why I think it deserved
to be in the top ten other than that and other
than the number one I'm pretty happy with the
list As am I and don't worry folks We will get
a little bit lighter hearted here when we go
into our next our next top ten list will will
not be so intense with our war theme we'll get
something a little bit more fun and Oh yes, very
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