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Hey guys, Raphael here at the Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles. Did you say podcast? Dudes, dudettes,

you're listening to a podcast on the Gatecast

Radio Network. Cowabunga! Hello and welcome to

GeekCast Radio, this is episode 40 I am one of

your hosts TF2 and Mike and joining me is Steve

Megatron. Hello. Hello How are you? Meh. Meh

It's the 40th episode your your your son will

be born in a week, dude. Can't be meh Meh Sketch

nice 84 is also here from Tooncast Beyond. Hello.

Hey, hey The biggest ego in the room. Oh, jeez.

Next to you. What? No. Yes. Wow. No, no, no,

no. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Wow. I don't know. Team

Bottomless is the biggest ego in the room. Wow.

I was going to actually be like, thank you, gentlemen,

for including me on this wonderful discussion

about a franchise that I hold very dear to my

heart. And I just hope that I can entertain enough

and be here on the same level platform as the

rest of you outstanding fine gentlemen, but instead

I'm going to say, fuck you! Tonight we're going

to be wrapping up our Turtles Week, Turtles Month,

whatever the heck it was, with G Serves of 40

and we're going to talk about in -depth about

the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Sketch, what's

been going on with you? Oh man, I've just been...

Working real hard four days a week and relaxing

the other three she works hard for the money

so And I gotta do so much walking for this job

I got blisters on both my feet totally sucks

You're only working four days a week though.

Yeah, it is true, but two of them are 12 -hour

shifts That's more work than you're doing TFG

one Okay, mr. I'm a YouTube professional. Hey.

Hey, you want to compare bank accounts, sir?

The whole ego thing just came right out right

there Moving on yes moving on Super ego It well

that the id the ego and the it or something.

I don't know for its anyway. Yeah What have you

been up to, Paul? Oh, not too terribly much.

Just, you know, same old, same old. Being a YouTube

celebrity, that's about it. It's tough work.

And Steve, what's going on with you? My son will

be born next week. Congratulations. Thank you.

The spawn of Satan. It's Megatron. I get them

I get them confused. I'm sorry in any case I

think that's really the most important thing

going on Yep, yep All right. So as I said, we're

gonna be talking about all kinds of different

turtle stuff We're gonna start with the comics

on top of the cartoons the movies We're gonna

briefly touch on the music the video games the

toys And a whole bunch of other stuff. So we're

gonna come back with some comics talk after this

turtle prime Grim gritty my kind of place figures

I'm thinking of retiring here. We'll all be retiring

here permanently if we don't find the shredder

and stop him Uh, Leo? I think someone just found

us. Source dimension? Source turtles! What is

this? Eight wannabes? On our turf! Trying to

steal our act? I destroyed two on my way down.

Donatello takes out a third with his staff. Already

the pudgy ones are starting to panic. Raph loves

this stuff. He's not alone. Why is he narrating?

Is he crazy? Hardcore crazy. I love these guys!

So first up, before we really get into the whole

comics talk, we should probably talk about how

the Turtles got started because it did get started

in comic form. The basic gist of it is Kevin

Eastman and Peter Laird created and published

one issue of their comic. And then I believe

Mirage picked it up, right Paul? No. Mirage is

their company Mirage is they they created one

from a tax refund that I and a loan right and

When they did it they formed Mirage. Oh Okay,

yes Yeah, which is I absolutely love the name.

The history of the name is it's a mirage. It's

That's what they wanted Yeah, it's just it's

hilarious. It's using what they dreamed they

could do and hope beyond hope whatever happens

and it was all just an illusion and it turned

into something massive that has now spanned several

well not several but a couple decades yeah and

and it came out in 84 the comic came out in 84

and the company launched in 84 too didn't it

uh yeah it was it was all done at the same time

yeah The year I was born! Yay, we know you're

young. I was a six -year -old, old fogey. That's

right. So essentially they created this company

called Mirage in 1984. Wonder which came first,

the company or the transformer? I don't even

get that reference because we're not talking

about transformers. Mirage, the G1 transformer.

That's right. Epic fail. Wow. Anyway, so you

guys are all pretty much the comic book geeks

as far as this franchise goes. What made the

comics so good or so, what made the comics so

interesting for people to read back then? Either

you guys want to go. I haven't read much of the

comics, to be honest. I don't get that qualified.

They came out the year I was born, man! I will

say this much about the comics, though. It's

jumped around to five different companies over

the years. Mirage, Archie, Image, Dreamwave,

and then IDW. IDW being the more recent one,

yeah. I mean, the Ninja Turtles, when they first

started out, were... The biggest problem that

you're gonna have when you ever talk to anybody

who's who's younger and you talk to them about

Ninja Turtles They are automatically going to

use the any number of the cartoon series as their

source material This is where I found out how

Leonardo was the way he is and Michael and you

know the Ninja Turtles in in the comic form While

while they have some similarities there there

are much darker More I would say more of an adult

sort of comic book that During the 80s you you

weren't getting a lot of adult sort of books

that were coming out in terms of comic form So

look if you look back at him even now that there

are darker. It's a darker tale I mean even when

you look at the whole story of shredder and splinter

and the turtles and uh... the the violence that

ensued when the turtles fest first met shredder

it's it's something that you know most kids at

you know i mean here i i mean when i was i was

six years old it was something that you it was

something that wasn't seen before that i think

was one of the biggest lures to it they were

mutated turtles Mean it was there. They were

ninja fighting mutant turtles that it was just

completely off the wall and weird and Not as

bubblegum fun kind of stuff that was already

mass -produced by that point time and you got

I mean you got a lot of what one of the biggest

influences for for Laird and Eastman was Jack

Kirby who very big in a lot of the Marvel things.

And one of the big inspirations for the Ninja

Turtles was Daredevil. And Daredevil by its nature

is kind of a darker kind of story. And a lot

of the inspiration for the Ninja Turtles came

from those kinds of works. So I think it just

touched on... Completely different genre that

a lot of people weren't really expecting in the

the mid 80s I suppose Now have you guys gone

back and read any of the old comics lately or

any like recently at all? Yeah, I I was rereading

Kind of the origin story storyline because I

wanted to get more specifics on that and These

comics are really entertaining. I gotta say they

hold up Yeah, that's Lee well and you people

should definitely go get the IDW re -release

of those old comics Oh, yeah, those are those

are I I think as far as I know there's four books

out right now They're really nice books. They

span a Couple issues from the early days, and

I think there's four volumes that are out right

now The best part that I absolutely love about

those is in between each Issue so like right

after you read the first issue there is a small

little page page or two that layered and Eastman

wrote Going back and revisiting it and be like

this is what it was like when we were writing

this and this is how this came to be and this

is why we put this in there and this is why this

happened. It's really a great read and then you

get the behind the scenes about how it actually

came to be what it was in the very early days.

And they're not that expensive of books. I think

they're on Amazon, they're like 30 or 40 dollars

and they're hardcover. They're great reads. If

you are fans of Ninja Turtles, all of them are

fantastic. And again, like you said, Paul, most

people are going to reference one of the animated

series. But what I loved about the thing is what

you just mentioned was something that they did

when they did Turtles Forever. They bookended

it at the end there. Right. That was fantastic.

Yeah. That was pretty cool. Do you guys think

that... there should be a current running turtles

line in comics today. What do you mean? There

is a current run. It came back before the show

started. It launched in August of 2011. And it

actually has Eastman involved. It seems to me

that between the two it seems to me between the

two of them Eastman has really embraced everything

that has been done with the franchise. Ah Yeah,

yeah Yeah, and Laird is essentially just jumped

off the cliff. Yeah Eastman was totally okay

with the next mutation. Let's leave it that right

Which was also okay with that Michael Bay script

See and as much as I love turtles, I gotta be

honest and Mike and I had talked about this I'm

not totally opposed to what we initially were

told about the the Michael Bay thing Well, we

will talk about that a little bit later because

I've got some really interesting information

on that that that project action on that it's

They didn't write that script. It was somebody

else right? He's just producing it Yeah. Well,

I mean... But using him as a spokesperson, that's

essentially what got us all riled up. Yeah. I

think, well, we'll get into that later, but I

think it was something else that got... Yeah,

we'll get into that later. The comics, everyone

should go check out the comic books, whether

it's the current run, whether it's the old issues,

whether it's the reissue hardcovers that Paul

was talking about. Everyone should check this

stuff out because they're amazing. It's how the

Turtles first started. It'll open it'll open.

I mean literally it will open people's eyes to

a completely different Version of the turtles

I mean no matter what I mean you could look at

the the various cartoons throughout history the

movies They all have a very kind of similar underlining

sort of presentation about how the turtles are

and The comics will completely give you a different

look at how they started and subsequently how

they were changed. Yeah. The closest thing to

the comics that already existed was the first

movie. I absolutely agree. Yeah. Absolutely agree.

You know, they tweaked a few things to be closer

to the cartoon, but that's definitely a good

place to start. Yeah. I mean, that's the mindset

to go in when you read the comics, but there,

it's just a whole completely different beast

because... there was a lot of things that were

changed to make it appropriate for children.

And it's just so cool to read those old comics

and see where this really dark story took some

interesting turns. Yeah, I mean, because most

people don't even realize that... I mean, again,

they see what we saw on cartoons, and that's

what they consider canon. And the origin story

is, while it's similar in the comics, it's...

Different and you're like, whoa, what what really?

Yeah, and the other thing is people who are following

the new cartoon they should Check out those old

comics so they can see some of the things that

were actually Nicely adapted from the comic into

that new cartoon. Yeah So since since sketch

brought up the the cartoons we're gonna take

another quick break, and then we're gonna come

back with some animated series talk It's a shell

of a - The image of the four creatures is a bit

grainy, but even so, you can make out what appear

to be four large turtles. It's gotta be some

kind of gag, right? What else is an option? Slapping

you! Mikey, on the right! Your right or my right?

Are you kidding me? I hate this thing! Nice work.

When we're done here, there's a marching band

that needs a majorette. How am I supposed to

fight advanced alien technology with a stupid...

There you go folks you just heard an amalgamation

of all three of the animated series not counting

the the CGI movie and in turtles forever, but

We are gonna talk about all that here in turtles

in animation and when it first started it was

87 It actually it's really funny and really has

surprised me when I read this The miniseries

was repeated three times before it found an audience

Really? Five part miniseries was repeated three

times before it found an audience I find that

very very interesting Because you know all of

us as as you know kids of the 80s and early 90s

Anyone that has seen the 87 series Anyone that

has seen any 80s cartoon in general knows how

campy And over and over the top the 80s in general

have been in were Turtles is no different, but

It still was a made this series has such amazing

writing and how I personally I fully admit I

have not I do not remember and I have not seen

anything past Season two in a very long time

November 13th this year the complete classic

collection of the 87 series all ten seasons is

going to be packaged in a turtle van packaging

coming out on DVD I definitely want to get that

so I can rewatch this show. I have seen the five

-part miniseries so many times I can pretty much

quote it verbatim. From what I'm told, the biggest

problem with all the DVD releases is they're

not sequential. Yeah. So you can literally be

watching like say episode, say 20, and the next

episode that would be on this set would be like

25. And they jump around and they actually went

in the order that they had on the old Ninja Turtles

website Which wasn't the same as broadcast order

ah? Which which yeah, which screws some things

up in my mind because I get confused very easily

But I think that's the same order that they're

using for The that giant box set mmm, so we'll

see i don't know i just i just want a big old

turtle van i'm pretty sure it's in production

order yeah but but that's but production order

doesn't necessarily mean that's what was aired

so there's so there are some like i don't think

there's any continuity issues with the i don't

think so Don't know you heard otherwise well

somebody somebody was telling me something about

it because I was like Oh, I want to get that

and they're like, I don't think they fixed Such

and such a problem and it was something to do

with the order. Oh Well, they ended up putting

one episode on two sets when they're all that

But they eventually released those episodes which

was a planet of the turtloids and a time travel

on with the with hokum hair Once upon a time

machine Yeah, I'm looking at TV shows on DVD

calm Will season 10 DVDs have the two missing

fifth season episodes studio says yes. Yes, they

so and that will be included in the and then

That box that's just gonna be the same discs

with new covers Right, right Sketch, when you

were a kid, growing up watching this, what did

you think of it? Wow, man. I think it was maybe

the third cartoon I ever saw after DuckTales

and Rescue Rangers. And I loved it. I couldn't

get enough of it. Great characters, really funny.

I don't know. I've always kind of liked Turtles,

though I assumed that that was because of Ninja

Turtles, but maybe I liked Ninja Turtles because

I liked Turtles. I'm not entirely sure, but it

was very entertaining to me as a kid, as with

most people. That was my 80s show. People talk

about how Transformers was their 80s show and

Thundercats was their 80s show. No, Turtles was

my 80s show. I'm aware it went into the 90s.

Most of us who were born before 84 were aware

it went into the 90s. What about you, Steve?

What was your exposure to the 87 series? I knew

it went into the 90s. I actually had VHS tapes

of the miniseries. Oh yeah, man. as well as some

of the other after episodes into season one.

And I would catch it on TV whenever I could.

That series to me, that was the most awesome

thing I'd ever seen at that point. To the point

I had to have everything turtle related. I just,

I loved the concept of the turtles. I loved the

fighting. I liked pizza, so that was another

reason. Hey, they had all kinds of crazy crap

on their pizza. And then I loved the Technodrone

and Krang and Shredder. I mean, all those characters

were so memorable. Yeah, some of it was a little

bit campy and cheesy later on, but it was...

It was really good. I mean I That's definitely

something I would I mean I have the series not

legitimately at the moment, but oh Hey, I don't

have the money yet. I plan to get the big nice

little set. I like it I'm not the only one that

collected those DVDs as they came out and I couldn't

wait to get pretty out of the four of us probably

so yeah because like steve said i i had the burger

king phs tapes oh i had all four of those too

you know from the bk big club or whatever it

was kids club yeah yeah yeah yep yep because

that because again not not to get sidetracked

off on another thing here but that that was the

thing of the 80s you had mcdonald's and burger

king going cutthroat at each other between happy

meal And then Burger King was kind of cooler.

They came out with the Kids Club and everything

else and this, that, and the other thing. What

about you, Paul? What are your thoughts on the

87 Turtles cartoon? Well, when I was a kid reading

the comic books, it was something that when I

first saw the cartoon, it took me a little while

to adjust to it. There's a lot of things that

didn't make sense right off the bat. Number one,

and it's something that's echoed now in the new

series, Krang was one character in the cartoon

series, whereas they were a race in the original,

so I don't think they were called the Krang,

but it was ugly, the ootroms, yeah. There are

brains inside Android bellies, and it didn't

make any sense to me I'm in you got to remember

in eight in 87. I was what nine nine years old

so I'm trying to wrap my brain about what I just

read and then what I saw and The other one that

as I got older which always kind of bugged me

was The origin of splinter a lot of people I

mean in the in the cartoon it was a rat Hamato

Yoshi was one of the characters and he had a

pet rat. Well, the rat is actually what mutates

into a human sort of thing in the comics, which

is opposite, kind of, in the cartoon. So it took

me a little while. I mean, for some reason, it

just didn't make any sense in my brain. But...

That's how it was in the movie, too. Right, right,

exactly. They went back to that original story

in the movie. You know, I grew to love it. There

was not time... I mean, I can tell you things

like dude and cowabunga, you know, all these

words became kind of... I don't want to say like

cultural phenomenon, but the Ninja Turtles really

did take the world by storm. And... a lot of

the things that they said really kind of became

part of pop culture. I mean, it exploded and

it's all because of that cartoon. And you look

at it over history and it's, I honestly, I mean,

Transformers might be one of the only franchises

that I can honestly think of from the 80s that

To this day still has strong staying power much

like the Turtles do and The the cartoon that

we have now that's airing on what is that on

Nickelodeon? Is is a phenomenal series and you

know what we'll touch on that here in a little

bit, but right you you can see that there's still

a fan base for this and Ninja Turtles, it's one

of it's like one of those franchises that never

really goes away. It's always there and I honestly

can't think of an original 80s cartoon series

that has that same kind of staining power. I

think of Transformers and Ninja Turtles. That's

all I can... They've tried and other franchises

have sadly failed. Yeah. Several times. Hasbro

keeps bringing back G .I. Joe every now and then,

but... Yeah, but that's not... Sadly, they should

have... Anyway, it's a little other topic. For

me, Turtles was simply amazing. I've said this

before in other podcasts. It was after Transformers

had gone off the air that I really noticed it.

It was after Thundercats was gone. It was after

all this other stuff was gone. And I was like,

OK, this is the new thing. Between this and Adventures

of the Gummy Bears, I was set. Shut up. Hey,

Gummy Bears is a good joke. That's right. Anyway,

stop singing, damn it. Sorry. So yeah, Turtles

was my thing. I liked all of it, as much of it

as I saw. I wanted the toys so bad. And I actually

had my original Leonardo and Donatello from when

I was a kid up to about two years ago. Of course,

they didn't last very long. They didn't last

throughout the years, though. It was just the

general. you know, bodies. There was no accessories,

there was no weapons, no nothing. That's dirty.

That stuff's always gonna go, man. Those nunchucks

Michelangelo had broke so easily. Yeah. The thing

about the show was it was... The story drove

you so much. Like, that was a driven story and

it was absolutely great because... They knew

how to, you know, use their cliffhangers, like

going into commercial breaks or, you know, ending

an episode. They knew how to keep you like, oh

my God, I have to watch this as soon as it comes

on again. Let's go around the room and pick one

hero and one villain from the 87 series. Sketch,

what about you? What's your one hero, one villain

that you like? Oh, man. One hero, one villain.

That's that. That is some tough stuff. Well,

for the villain, I think I got to go with Krang.

Because as a singular character, he's got to

be the most entertaining villain He's always

pushing shredder around like like his wife And

he's a diabolical genius, but he's he's such

a smart ass He's great I kind of had an existential

crisis recently trying to determine which turtle

is my favorite these days but Nowadays, I have

a greater appreciation for, say, the humor of

Raphael or Donatello, but when I was a kid, it

was all Michelangelo. Yeah, everybody loved Mikey

as a kid. What about you, Steve? One hero, one

villain from the 87 series. The hero for me back

in the day, which is actually kind of ironic,

kind of leads into my favorite of... the 2012

version but is Raphael I just like the kind of

smarter assery that he had in the show and but

he was also a little bit more serious than everybody

else not to the point that he is in all the later

animation or films but I still found him to be

a fun character every time he broke the fourth

wall and then my favorite villain which should

be fairly obvious as of late is Krang and his

robotic body and I actually that is the only

turtle toy I have remaining is Krang in his robotic

body it's badly it's badly damaged but like I

would be looking for parts to fix it, but that

has always been my favorite character. I love

the vocals that Pat Fraley threw into that, also

tying into Turtles Week, the interview. I can't

do it. We're not all just saying Crank because

you guys interviewed Pat Fraley, right? No. Yeah

in that interview people really need to go listen

that interview with Pat Fraley because He actually

walked us through how he created the vocals for

crane. It was awesome. Yeah, that was so awesome

What about you Paul one hero one villain from

the 87 cartoon strictly from the 87? Cartoon

my my hero is Donatello It's no secret that as

a kid I was Attracted to that sort of personality

Ninja Turtles. It was Donatello Transformers

it was wheeljack it was pan throw for you. I

mean anybody who was like an inventor or Anything

like that a brain sort of guy. Yeah It's subsequently

kind of changed over the years, but now my villain,

this really doesn't kind of count as a villain,

although he was created by Crane. My favorite

villain was Metalhead, and it was probably just

because he was a created sort of thing, and then

he tied in with Donatello, and he subsequently...

was no longer a villain or anything. But he was

my favorite. That was my guy. For me, from the

87 cartoon, not to copy Paul, but mine was also

Donatello. Copycat. Shut the hell up. I love

Donnie. He was so awesome. He was so fun. And

just hearing the contrast between Barry Gordon

of course back then we didn't know who voiced

these characters But today and you know the age

the internet and all that stuff. We know who

did between hearing Barry Gordon as You know

using his own voice as junior on the snorks compared

to using his own voice as Donnie and in turtles

I was like I can't believe that's the same character

For villain, I'm gonna go slightly different

than you guys have. I really enjoyed Rocksteady.

I loved me some Rocksteady. He was always really,

really cool. Bimbo, I'm gonna make you eat that

camera! Yeah, I didn't really care for Bebop

that much. He's no decent cowboy. Bebop and Rocksteady

are joined at the hip. They are. You can't like

one and not like the other one. I can, because

Rocksteady was the only mutant toy I had. Well,

that makes sense. I had the four turtles, Splinter,

April, Shredder, Krang, and I had Rocksteady.

I never had Bebop. Rocksteady was a more... I

don't know, a cooler toy design, maybe. A more

socially acceptable toy design. Because Bebop

was, wow, I don't even know, man. Yeah. I mean,

it is a cool design, in a sense. But it's so

ridiculous. What's funny, what's hilarious, is

if you look, if I'm not mistaken, in the first

couple episodes, Bebop and Rocksteady, they're

human counterparts. One's a black guy, one's

a white guy. And that changed. Later on in the

in episode in subsequent episodes. They were

the exact same character But like who became

bebop was actually the who they said was rocksteady.

It was it was really weird And maybe I'm just

crazy for remembering that Maybe that was just

an error So that's very possible frequent. That's

that's very that's that is very possible. But

as a kid it would hit It confused me. I get confused

easily. I want to do a shout out to a sort of

villain character that I just really enjoyed.

Well, I actually enjoyed, especially when these

two characters were in the same episode. I love

Leatherhead. I like them frogs. I never cared

for Leatherhead. Oh, come on. He was too weird.

He was too weird. He was definitely weird. But

I like the frogs better. I wanted to specifically

mention the frogs. The frogs were awesome. Yeah,

that's funny. All right. So from 1996 to 2002,

there was no Turtles cartoon. Nowhere. Now, in

this part of the podcast, we're talking specifically

animation. So that crappy mutation. It doesn't

count in this part of the podcast. It lasted

less than a year anyway. In 2003, we had Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles through Fox Kids, which

eventually became 4KidsTV and CW4Kids and whatever

else. I originally caught this one probably the

middle of the first season, and I was like, what?

is there's a new turtles cartoon holy crap I

think the early 2000s between you know 2002 to

2004 it was like oh my god there's all these

new cartoons from stuff that I grew up with what's

going on here you know but I like the 2003 series

I recently went back and watched a majority of

the first and second seasons absolutely loved

it great writing the voice cast was you know,

very well done for this new iteration. Steve,

what is your exposure to the 2003 cartoon? I

remember watching it when it first aired. I don't

remember much about it, like in the initial introduction

of it anyhow. I kind of caught episodes here

or there. It was not really a... The thing I

sought out it was more of I was flipping channels

and realized it was on and I was like Oh turtles

and then I would sit there and watch it even

if I had no idea where it was taking place so

For me, I mean I really enjoyed the series. I

like the new concepts in the new art direction

and I liked all the new villains and and concepts

that came up with but I Had seen it all the way

randomly through the series, so I caught it during

the initial start of it, the fast forward, the

back to the sewer. I caught it in all the different

iterations of the 2003 to 2009 saga. And just

to let everybody know before anyone else talks

about how they came to know it was that this

is Mirage. had, you know, a controlling stake

in this series, so this series, if you were a

fan of the comics, you're gonna be a fan of this

cartoon because it more resembled the comics

and it was slightly darker than the 87 series

and the stories in this are so well written.

What about you, Sketch? What's your exposure

to the 03 series? This show... I... I... I waited

on pins and needles for this show to premiere

after I heard that there was going to be a new

Ninja Turtles cartoon. And that fateful Saturday

morning, I watched it. And at the end, I thought

to myself, that didn't suck. And pretty much

ever since then, I've been enjoying it. And it

came to become, honestly, one of my favorite

shows ever. It's so great, the character interactions,

the storylines. This show builds from its very

simple beginnings to this crazy continuity that,

unfortunately, makes a lot of people get lost.

But if you stick with it, it's just such an enjoyable

story to see play out. Yeah. It's awesome. And

the fighting is so good. Yeah, the fighting is

so good. What about you Paul? Did you catch this

at all when it first aired or anything? You know

when it first aired? No a couple years ago. I

went back and watched some of the episodes it

It was it was again on a time where I kind of

got confused by things because ever after watching

the original animated series a lot of the comic

book stuff kind of disappeared from my mind and

I had to go back and Refamiliarize myself with

it. There's a lot of stories that you look at

with with it with the 2003 series That really

go back to the way like you said that the comic

book is there are characters in there that Really

get a lot more Screen time that that never really

got much going on in the original animated series

for example fugitoid That was a character that

like appeared in a couple episodes in the original

animated series, and he was a fairly important

character in the early development of the turtles

in the comics And it was good to see him come

through again in this new series the only thing

I really didn't well Yeah, I mean there were

other ones like the Triceratons and stuff and

things like that But the one that really kind

of confused me was the shredder That one confused

me. Once again, they went back to the U -Troms,

which were in the comics, but I didn't understand

why all of a sudden there was a specific U -Trom

named, like, Krell or something that took over

and started living the life of Shredder. That

didn't make any sense to me, and it really kind

of threw my brain. out the window. I didn't particularly

like that very much. But I mean, it worked. I

mean, it was good. It just, when I compared it

to my other stuff, I was like, eh, I don't like

this. The only thing for me, and I'm going to

have to, you know, I'm just going off my memory.

I have not gotten to, because I have found one

YouTube channel that, as I said a few minutes

ago, has essentially Almost everything up to

season 3 of the show on YouTube. Yeah every episode

like Turtles for life or something like that.

I don't I don't I don't know what the all as

I know is I can find it on YouTube you know and

I Remember watching it back in the day and as

soon as they hit the fast -forward button I was

like my god the show is jump the shark. What

the hell she's like The fast -forward season,

at the time when it was on, I did not care for

it. I'm going to have to go back and re -watch

it to see if it still leaves a bad taste in my

mouth. Probably will. It was an attempt to make

the show a little more like the 80s cartoon,

a little more light -hearted. It wasn't bad,

though. Not as story -heavy. Yeah, it had its

moments, but... It just in the great in the great

yeah in the grand scheme of things it could have

gone away Yeah, you're not missing much No, there

were still over a hundred great episodes, so

Yeah All right for this series as well. Let's

do the one hero one villain thing sketch one

hero one villain all right for hero I think I'm

actually gonna go with Leonardo Because he was

a way more compelling character in this series

than he ever was in the 80s show In fact, I blame

the 80s show for kind of making me not like Leonardo

Not that I didn't enjoy Cam Clark, but yeah,

he's he was just kind of boring compared to the

other turtles But in this series Leonardo had

one of the more compelling narratives Going on

in fact some would say the show almost focused

too much on him, and that's probably true But

you know his growth as a character is just so

tremendous in that series and He's very likeable

and every now and he now and then he'll crack

a joke, and it's funny None of the jokes Michelangelo

would say were were funny because they were always

so forced And they even made fun of that which

I appreciate If you know that you're not writing

good jokes, at least you have the decency to

say it. But yeah, Leonardo was boss in that show.

He was great. And he had his moments of getting

kind of emo, which wasn't so great, but he brought

it back in the end. So that's cool. And my favorite

villain by far is Agent Bishop. Agent Bishop

is a badass. He could fight all four turtles

and Karai at the same time. Shredder can't do

that. What about you, Steve? One hero, one villain.

Uh, the hero... I'm kind of torn between Leonardo

and Raphael. Raphael only for the fact that he

was extremely dark like the films. And then I

have to agree with Sketch as far as Leonardo.

I think I'm going to steer more towards Leonardo

just because he was less hero -y and more leader

of their group and seemed like he was actually

making an effort to stop whoever it was that

was harming their home unit. As far as villains,

I don't have much experience with the show as

far as the other villains, so I'm just gonna

say Shredder just because I like the new, interesting

take as far as the fact that he's an utrum and

the fact that he's got a robot bunny in the form

of the Shredder and it looks way more menacing

than the 87 series. I mean, all that hardware

is for making coleslaw. We know for sure that

shredder is definitely the most hardcore and

insane, because he wanted to wipe out all existence

just to get rid of the turtles. Which brings

us to the 2009 quote unquote film, Turtles Forever.

Now, before we get into this, I do have to say,

to let everyone know, I did look this up. Uh,

Turtles Forever was a non -union project, as

4KidsTV is non -union. So, when this first came

out, everybody was like, why are the 87 Turtles

all Michelangelo? Why didn't they get the original

voice actors? There's something with, you know,

SAG versus non -SAG that they don't want SAG

card members working on non -union projects.

Uh, so that's why Rob Paulson... Townsend Coleman,

Barry Gordon, and Cam Clark were not the original

87 Turtles in Turtles Forever. For me, Turtles

Forever was amazing as far as the story goes.

The only real gripe I have about that movie is

the depiction of the 87 Turtles. Other than that,

I loved it. And as Sketch just said, you know,

the 2003 Shredder proved to be the most badass

Shredder we've ever had. Well... Not counting

whatever the shredder in the 2012 series. Yeah,

he might he might surpass him Well, we haven't

seen it yet So because as of as of this podcast

the 2012 Ninja Turtles cartoon is currently airing

But we have not seen we've seen bits and pieces

of Oroko Saki But we haven't actually like seen

the shredder in action yet, right? Paul what

did you think of Turtles forever? It was I I

loved I loved it. I really I really did kind

of like what you were saying I I did not like

how they took The the 80s turtles and made them

all into Michelangelo. Yeah, you you don't necessarily

Okay, so they couldn't couldn't get the original

voice actor that's fine the more voice actors

that's fine, but you don't need to write them

all like that and to me that was I don't want

to say, like, disrespectful to that version of

them, but I just... Be disrespectful. I just

didn't like it. I didn't like it. I really couldn't...

I didn't care for that little bit about it. I

loved seeing them again. I loved, you know, being

able to revisit them, but the writing for them,

I thought... I mean, I understand why they did

it. They wanted to make them look... annoying

to the other turtles, but it was kind of blah

for me and You know the the 2003 it's it's the

2003 turtles just for me never really came across

very teenager ish They seem more like adults

to me and that that kind of bugged me that was

my first real kind of hardcore exposure to the

2003 turtles and Just left a bad taste in my

mouth not in a bad way. I mean it was an interesting

take on it, but it just It just I don't know

I mean I know what they were trying to do with

it they tried to go back more to the comic books

and stuff, but Just didn't work for me. I love

the story though. I mean I absolutely love the

story. I thought it was a great great thing I'm

to this day. I'm fairly pissed because I can't

get a like a uncut version of the movie on DVD

or Blu -ray format. The only way that you can

actually see an uncut version. There's like an

extra eight minutes or something like that. Seven

or eight minutes that aired on TV that people

saw. But if you bought the DVD for it that came

out, it's just the regular edited version. And

that drives me nuts. I want to get a good copy

of that. Okay, now... Let me ask this. We never

knew. We never knew at the time that it aired

on television, on 4Kids, whatever the hell those

stupid things called, we never knew that it was

going to come to media. We just thought, OK,

this is how they're going to close out the 03

series. Amazing send -off. And then it took.

X amount of years or however long it took to

get it to DVD, why didn't they just get the transfer

from the TV station and put that on the damn

DVD instead of doing an edited version? That

makes no sense to me whatsoever. I don't know.

Ask them. It makes no sense. Go on, ask them.

I'm guessing because Paramount took over those

duties. They probably just... And I know people

sent them messages because I'm fairly... Well,

not fairly active, but I've been active on the

Technodrome Ninja Turtles forum, where there

were lots of people bugging them about that,

but I guess they either just didn't get the messages

or didn't care. One thing that I would say, I

loved finally actually seeing the comic book

turtles animated. Oh, yeah, that was damn cool.

That was and it was the way they did that whole

setup where it was like it was exactly like you

were reading a comic book, you know, they had

the the voiceover is if you're reading Yeah,

exactly. And when they played off of that, I

mean, it was just absolutely wonderful to see

the whole thing of the turtles prime. I think

that's what they refer to them. That's that's

where it all started. So I thought that was great.

A great, you know, incorporation of those characters.

That was absolutely fantastic. Steve, what about

you? For me, Turtles Forever, when I heard about

it, I was extremely excited. I saw it as kind

of a nice bookend to both the original series

and the 2003. I love the fact that they incorporated

Turtles Prime with, you know, the original Mirage

comic characters, and you have three Shredders,

three sets of Turtles, which the third Shredder

from the Mirage comics got thrown into the building

fairly quickly. They just chucked a garbage can

at him, and he went, I am the Shredder, and then

they go... And then he's gone, you know? Yeah.

The then you cry in there you get the technodrome.

I love the fact that technodrome got upgraded

With the the u -tron technology of the 2003 universe

I Thought it was kind of funny how They used

the gimmick of prangs robot body growing and

they did that with u -tron shredder And then

cranked up it and then gets pretty much, you

know his butt handed to him But I mean the whole

thing yeah, I can agree that they did kind of

nerf the 87 turtles a little bit much Making

them too goofy, but in the same vein It didn't

really detract from my watching experience of

it all that much It didn't detract from mine

at all, either. I still love the fact that they

ran in it. I love the fact that they got a little

bit better animation treatment by being in it.

All of the characters, for that matter. I'm sad

to see that they didn't get the original voice

actors, but like you guys said, it wasn't a union

thing so that... they couldn't get them, but

I still was happy to see that they tried to keep

it as close as they could and still do this nice

nod to the fans. One of my favorite aspects of

that movie was when they are talking about the

different universes and there's just like this

montage. of images throughout history. I mean,

they had the images of the movie turtles up there.

Oh, I know. I love that. All the cartoon versions,

all the various comic versions. I thought that

was wonderful. It was just a great way to see,

and it was a terrific nod to the history of the

Ninja Turtles. I absolutely love that. That was

one of my favorite scenes in that movie. The

turtle multiverse. Yeah, the multiverse. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, I loved that. That was so cool. That's

like something that It's almost that that whole

scene is almost something reminiscent of something

beast first man. They're trying to do Yeah, go

back in time and kill everybody Looking through

the multiverse to find suitable henchmen Undead

Transformers zombies. Well, that doesn't come

until Prime. Yeah, I know. So the next one, the

current one... Hey, hey. I didn't get to talk

about it. Didn't you? No, we didn't. Shut up.

Let him talk. Yeah. That was such a freaking

great movie. I loved it. I loved every moment

of it. made the more times I watch it the more

frustrated I get with how they depicted the eighties

turtles but it's so cool to see them in the new

animation it's you know they perfectly recreated

that it well except for maybe the teeth but they

perfectly recreated that it was it was beautiful

I loved it and the interaction between the turtles

was generally very very funny stuff like picking

on for the The belt buckles Michael Angeles.

I like they got Letters on their belt buckles

like super here. Yeah, that's funny and Rafael

gets Gets his ego pushed around by Mirage Rafael,

right? So what's with the bright colors sell

out? What's the matter rap don't like some of

your own medicine Yeah, but it was it was fantastic.

And actually, I really enjoyed how they depicted

Shredder and Krang because they were hilarious.

And Krang belching at the end there. That belch

at the end there to finally prove that, oh, yeah,

it was indigestion all this time. That was kind

of gross, too. And Bebop and Rocksteady saved

the multiverse. That is true. Fantastic. That

is true. Yeah. Contrast with The Turtles. Is

there a better way to send off a franchise? I

don't think there is. No. It was epic. That's

a good way of looking at it. I don't like to

throw around that word because it's grossly overused

these days, but it was epic. And then currently

we have... the 2012 Nickelodeon Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles. I'm coming around to it, but at

first the theme song just kind of grated on me

a little bit when I first heard it, but I am

coming around to it. I do like it. I do see the

similarities between that and the original 87

theme song. I still can't believe the guy that

up high is the voice of Leonardo. I just can't

believe that. Honestly, I don't even think about

it anymore. And I don't think of Raphael as Samwise

either, or Rudy. Oh yeah, Rudy. Exactly. The

only one that I really have a hard time with

is Donatello. No, don't even. It's so hard. He's

such a great voice actor. He could change it

a little bit. Before you finish your thought,

I am going to put together an audio clip. I'm

going to email it to you of 87 Raph and 2012

Donatello. They are different. Even though it

is the same person, they are different. Sounds

the same to me. I hear it. It took me about one

episode to get used to that, and I think he's

a fantastic Donatello. I I don't think I don't

think he's bad. I it's just I hear I hear raft

too much when when I when I hear them Dare I

say he might actually be even better is Donatello.

Oh that ain't even right I Can kind of see that

then be them some fight? Well, he's he's given

he's given more to work with in that case That's

true. He's given more emotions to work with for

sure. So you can see all of the tones that he

can bring out in his voice. Whereas, you know,

80's Rafael kind of stayed around the same area.

Yeah, he kind of did. The thing about Donnie

in the 2012 series is, yes, it is Rob Paulson

again. You know, he has told the story many times

of they approached him and he was like, well,

What about Barry Gordon because Rob is one of

the nicest guys in the world He wanted to make

sure that you know They had already approached

Pete you know if they were going for the original

people that they go to the right person And they

said yeah, we know who you are. We know you played

Rafael We want you as Donnie in a little bit

of a different take on Donnie I'm not too the

only thing that I'm really not too keen about

Donnie in this series is his whole Crushing on

April Russian on April creepy at this point Yeah,

that's metalhead. Yeah, but that's but that's

kind of that kind of plays into what I've seen

on the 2003 series that those two were pretty

close Yeah, I Think it's kind of the picture.

Yeah. Well, yeah, and and we still don't know

if we're gonna get Casey here with this new series

But we are oh, yeah Well, I haven't he's gonna

show up and see I haven't I didn't know this

you just thank you spoilers asshole That's spoiler.

I just said he's gonna show. Okay. Hold on. Hold

on. This is the guy that that Complained about

the fact that the Baxter Stockman episode does

not have mousers when Baxter is still gonna be

in the series He's not gone forever my my complaint

about Baxter Stockman not having the monsters

was because it every single other incarnation

of Baxter Stockman he's introduced with the mousers

And that's okay. That's what I'm saying is with

this new series They're introducing stuff and

introducing people and ideas and stuff at first

and then they're probably gonna come back to

it I know for a fact that they didn't do that

with metalhead Metalhead was a completely different

aspect. It was a completely different take on

it. No, but they didn't do that with them But

what I'm saying is without spoiling it for you

I do know for a fact that there will be mousers

in this series. What I would like to say is that

we had talked about the staying power of the

Ninja Turtles, and it amazed me that based off

of the ratings of the very first episode, they're

like, okay, this is good. You get permission

for a second season. That amazes me a little

secret that season had already been ordered Well,

that's not what they say. That's not what they

report Yeah, it was ordered back in there I believe

in their upfront and right right just ruined

a really good sounding story Yes, yes, yes you

do sketch Steve have you had a chance to check

out the 2012 series I watch it every week. Okay,

what are your thoughts on it so far, to this

point? I really like it. I like the new concept

for the characters. I love the fact that the

characters are more green in this series and

actually need Splinter, whereas the other shows...

Interesting use of the word green there, sir.

They were always so sheltered. Yes. Splinter

still teaches them from within the sewer how

not to be green. But anyways, it's interesting

seeing how they portrayed this new version of

the modern era of these characters and the fact

that they're all younger. But it's also interesting

to see how all these new mutagen characters are

coming along I'm not too fond of the fact that

Michelangelo kind of like mashes two different

things together and oh we have You know snake

face or you know, whatever. Oh Come on, you know,

you want a turtle pod. I totally love that You

know, you want a turtle pod Steve? I think the

writers decided that they were going to come

up with really silly names and figured, hey,

let's have Michelangelo name everything as an

excuse for why these names are so silly. Yeah.

In Lake Baxter, Stockman, I'm fine with it. I

mean, as long as they bring me the mouse at some

point, I'm good. Yeah. I could definitely see

more of the comic version of Stockman over the

87. Hmm just based on appearance Yeah, it's kind

of a combination of the two I feel well He's

got the goofiness of the 87, but he's got the

appearance of the comic Yeah, the comic in the

2003 so it's kind of a nice mixture But then

you've also got you know the dark shredder he's

got elements of you know I mean they haven't

really showed him they've showed bits and pieces,

but you get nice element of a mixture of the

2003 and the 87. And then the only thing that's

kind of weird about the Utram, Krangs, whatever,

I find it funny how they kong -tai all of their

their sayings when they're all talking and communicating

to each other because it's so... so pre -programmed

and stupid, but it makes sense and it's funny

at the same time. But it just makes... And then

the brains, of course, are like... when they

get out of the, you know, robotic bodies. And

they look kind of like his 87 crank body, just

a heck of a lot smaller, and it's more of an

exoskeleton of like Terminator over... They're

closer to the Utron bodies from the comics. Yeah,

so I mean but I'm just wondering if any of them

actually have individual personalities at some

point or if there's a thing Yeah, I know that's

the only thing that's kind of got me Because

I would still like to see one with it. It seems

like there would be a hive mind perhaps Yes,

like the real Craig Yeah, they'll call them outram

though in this series probably because they're

called crangs in this Yeah, yeah, so you know

they'll reverse it, but yeah, I mean I'm liking

it so far I I don't have cables so I have to

watch it online, but I'm really enjoying the

show You know the thing with the crangs I I found

myself, when I first heard the whole tongue twister

thing like you were talking about, Steve, the

first thing I thought of was, why is the viceroy

from Phantom Menace in a Turtles cartoon? God.

So yeah, no, TMNT 2012, I cannot wait. It reinvigorated

my need to watch Saturday morning cartoons, now

that Cartoon Network has axed DC Nation until

January. So but no turtles 2012 absolutely amazing

can't wait to see more of that and See what else

to do with it. We are going to take a quick break.

You're gonna hear some film stuff We're gonna

move on to the movies Your ninja skills are reaching

their peak Only one truly important lesson remains

but must wait I know it is hard for you here.

Underground. I want a large thick crust with

double cheese, ham, pepperoni. Your teenage mind's

abroad, eager. But you must never stop practicing

the art of ninja. The art of invisibility. And

I mean no anchovies you put anchovies on this

thing and you're in big trouble, okay That'll

do and the clock's ticking dude How you doing

hi Nice night Pizza dudes got 30 seconds Hey

Mikey, did you ever think about what splinter

said tonight? I mean about what it would be like

You know not having them Hmm times up three bucks

off 122, 122 and an eight? 122 and an eight.

Terrific. Where the heck is 122 and an eight?

You're standing on it, dude. Just slip it down

here. Give me that. Hey, this is a ten. The tab's

13. You're two minutes late, dude. Ah, come on.

I couldn't find a place. Wise man say, forgiveness

is divine, but never pay full price for late

pizza. I gotta get a new route. And I thought

I'd deliver it everywhere. What the hell was

that? I don't know. Well, that was a crime, you

purse scrubbing pukes. And this is the penalty.

Two minutes for slashing, two minutes for hooking.

And lest I forget my personal favorite, two minutes

for high -sticking. How about a five -minute

game misconduct for roughing, pal? Hey, bogey?

Now, who died and made you a referee? You did

your job. Now get out of here and let me do mine.

These J .B. Lowlifes need to be taught a lesson.

Not like that they don't. Not from you. Well,

it looks like you're the one who needs to be

taught a lesson, pal. Class is paying 101. Your

instructor's Casey Jones. Look, I don't want

to fight you. Well, tough rocks, pal. A whole

Zaykin's Zayko bat? Tell me. You didn't pay money

for this. That's it. Stupid one -sail pal. Hey,

what are you, some sort of punker? Huh? God,

I hate punkers. Especially bald ones with green

makeup. Or wear masks over ugly faces. New battle!

understands Crickey you gotta know what a crump

it is to understand Crickey I'll teach you What

the heck was that? It looked like sort of a big

turtle in a trench coat. You're going to LaGuardia,

right? Come back here! I'm not finished with

you! Damn! Fight? Fight. Kitchen? Kitchen. Yeah.

Pork rind? Pork rind. Oh! A fellow chucker, eh?

Deep dish action right about now. I had some

pizza down here the other day. There might be

some left over Well question yeah, do you like

penicillin on your pizza? All right, so we are

back and we're gonna talk about turtles in film

and in live action because live action we're

also going to talk about that um abomination

that happened uh female turtle we don't have

to talk about that do we briefly like for two

seconds all right you you said enough right there

now we can move on there was a female turtle

she was chinese she said she was a shinobi apparently

nobody ever told her that shinobi means ninja

see Also, there were dragons and her name was

Venus de Milo That's all we have to say about

that and now we continue on with the other had

curves Yeah, baby wrong. Yeah, baby I got sent

that I got sent that to review and I oh Yeah,

cuz shout Factory has it I about chucked the

DVD just because... It's on Netflix if anybody's

curious. You didn't review it? I didn't get that

far. Send that craft to me, I'll review it for

you. I was having a hard time watching the show.

It's terrible. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's terrible.

it is pretty bad and then the fact that they

actually do crossover with power rangers at some

point i did like that because the ninja turtles

beat the power rangers and that was you know

i liked power rangers at the time but that was

so cool like yeah ninja turtles beat the power

rangers suck it because i totally knew that phrase

when i was a kid of course you did you watched

ninja turtles oh yeah They had to have said that

somewhere. The phrase suck a lemon mean anything

to you? No. So the turtles have been featured

in four feature films. The first three, produced

in the early 90s and released by New Line Cinema,

featured live -action with the turtles played

by various actors in costumes featuring animatronic

heads. The first live -action film was distributed

by Golden Harvest overseas, whereas the second

and third film were distributed by 20th Century

Fox outside North America. The fourth, released

in 2007 by Warner Brothers, was an all CGI animated

film but retained continuity with the previous

films. Again. from eighty seven to ninety turtle

mania was everywhere uh... i remember having

but i actually still have it's in my closet i

have i've i still have i've had since the movie

came out i have the original poster oh yeah i've

got that too well i mean everybody can find it

you can find anywhere but i mean this is like

i've i've had this for the last you know three

decades of my life you know i mean uh... when

i was a kid And the first film was just gangbusters.

It was amazing. It was awesome. Absolutely loved

it. You know, I recently went back and watched

it. There is nothing that I can nitpick about

that first film. It was amazing. I didn't like

Danny. OK, I will nitpick Danny because he's

a douche. But other than that, I don't like Danny.

Mean I come in there pixelated. Well. No it was

I mean you had You you had the turtles which

which I mean you can't have a ninja turtle movie

without the turtles You had April that was fine

Okay, you had shredder that was fine yet splitter.

That was fine. You had the foot soldiers fine

You had I can't even remember the dude's name.

You had the douchebag boss of April O 'Neil.

That was fine. You know Charles Pennington, Danny's

dad. Yeah, you know these you know these you

going from the cartoon to watching these movies

You can see all this stuff like okay. That's

fine. Where the fuck did Danny come from? Like

I don't shoot. I don't think it's loaded kid.

Yeah. Well, yeah, but I mean it's It's just didn't

make any sense He just needed to go away. He

was kind of dumb. Well, he... Alright, look,

as much as I don't care for Danny... And Tatsu!

Tatsu! I couldn't stand him either. Well, Tatsu

was cool. You know what the funny thing about

Tatsu is? According to my information, he was

voiced by Trax and Cosmos, Michael McConaughey

from Transformers. Yes, he was! I just recently

realized that. I was like, oh yeah, he was dubbed

over, wasn't he? That's crazy. Oh, and Corey

Feldman made his presence known as the voice

of Donatello. Absolutely awesome. Now, let me

defend Danny just a little bit here. Danny, you

needed him in this movie simply because of the

fact that he is April's boss's son. He steals

money from her. He sees the turtles. Gay. You

know, he then tells Shredder, hey... Still gay.

They could have rode around that. They totally

could have. They didn't need to have him in there.

You absolutely did not need to have him in there.

I mean, the whole foot thing... Outside of all

that I just pointed out there, the one reason

why they needed to have him in there, or the

one reason why I like him being in there... I

had some pizza down here the other day. Oh my

god. Dude. RAAA! Question. Do you like penicillin

on your pizza? No! If Danny wasn't there, that

whole scene would not have happened. That's one

of my favorite scenes in the entire movie. No,

that's not entirely true because they could have

put that scene up in April's place. No, no, they

could have come back to their lair and there

just would have been an old pizza that didn't

get eaten somehow. Well, I don't know. You think

there's a lot of leftover pizza hanging out in

the sewer for the turtles? I saw this when it

was in theaters. What about you, Paul? Did you

see this one? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Saw it in theaters

the second that it was released. I also had the

luxury during the heyday of video stores. My

grandparents owned a video store. So every now

and then, what a lot of people don't know is

movie stores would get the movies before they're

actually supposed to come out. So like a week

before the movie came out. I was at home watching

it on good old VHS and Absolutely loved watching

it over and over and over and over and over again

To the point where literally at the like I mean

we're gonna talk about the music bit in here

the the last song during the credits Turtle power,

I think that's what's called. Yeah, I seriously

sat there and paused and rewound, paused and

rewound, paused and rewound, and wrote down the

lyrics for that song so that I would have the

song memorized. It took a while for me to do,

but I did that because I liked that song. It

was ridiculous. It literally took me like an

hour to sit there and like I would like, you

know, get one verse, write it down, rewind it.

Play it, listen to what I just wrote down, listen

to the next verse, pause it, rewind it. I mean,

it was a very tedious process. Loved it. What

about you, Sketch? Did you see the first film

in theaters? Oh, absolutely. I believe when I

was maybe six years old when that movie came

out, my dad took me to it with one of his work

friends and their kids. And I loved it to death.

And funny thing, it got me in trouble at Kindergarten

because I uttered a little something that Raphael

said about three times in that movie Let me guess

did it start with D. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh I said

a naughty bird is it closely related Jim teacher

Oh that ain't right got sent home from kindergarten

that day attaboy And then my parents wouldn't

let me see the second Ninja Turtles movie because

of that until they came out on video Yeah, kind

of rough which which is funny because how it

was so much more tame But yeah, yeah, and I couldn't

get enough of that movie. I got it on VHS real

early on and kept watching it kept watching it

I think is one of the the first DVDs I bought

too I Can tell you my my first DVD that I ever

was given was The Super Mario Brothers movie

Steve, what is your experience with the 90 film?

Did you see it in theaters? I didn't see any

of the films in theaters. The first one, I remember

watching it on VHS. I remember it wasn't my favorite,

but it wasn't nearly as bad as the third film.

I did like the first one though because it showed

the The meshing of the group and then everybody

having to join together and then you have that

memorable state at the very end where the mirage

Turtles basically come out to play. Yeah. Mm

-hmm by chucking the shredder off the roof into

the garbage truck That was that was that was

splinter that did that Oh yes, I know, but it

was still reminiscent of that. It is. It's not

comic accurate because they beat the Shredder

themselves. Whereas in this case they got their

butts handed to them. And then Splinter knocked

them off the thing and then Casey activated the

garbage truck. Okay, that's one scene that was

not so well edited. It was like, what just happened?

And I realized, oh, he hadn't with nunchucks,

okay. Yeah, I wasn't particularly fond of the

animatronics used or not even animatronics, but

it's For splinter for splinter Yeah The turtles

I didn't have a problem with but splitter would

just look terrible And it looked like at the

beginning though that uh when you first see shredder,

and he's watching the news report It looks like

he's in a technodrome Kind of like the all the

TV stuff Yeah, yeah Instead he's got like a youth

center gone bad Yeah, basically basically check

out the old warehouse over on the East Ladman

Islands I Mean I can when that movie came out

I mean Mike you know I'm a freak for a lot of

these old movies getting re -released on blu

-ray and stuff As soon as the box set for all

four of those movies came out I got that the

very I got that like on Amazon where I got it

the very same day that it was released I I absolutely

loved that set I could I could literally go down

there right now and still watch the first Ninja

Turtle and even the second Ninja Turtle movie

and Just have as much fun I mean, it's still

goofy and kind of campy because you look at what

the mouth is doing and it's not what is coming

out of the speakers but it's it's fun it's it's

a trip i love it do you guys have any other thoughts

on the first film uh it has some fantastic lines

in it i believe my favorite would have to be

wise men say forgiveness is divine but never

pay full price for late pizza words to live by

you know what's amazing though if you said that

if you said that to kids nowadays they probably

would not have any idea what that means It's

tragic. It really is. Was that Domino's Pizza?

Yep. Back then, it was like if you don't get

your pizza in a half an hour, the pizza's free.

The pizza's free or something. Right. And nowadays,

they don't do that. No. Well, the thing with

that scene was that... It was after the scene

where Splinter said, you know, maybe someday

I won't be here, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

You've got money in the background. Right. Well,

Donnie's skating in the sewer. It's Donnie and

Mikey. He comes up to Mikey. Donnie asks him

about what did he think about Splinter, what

he said tonight. And Mikey essentially just ignores

it and says, oh, Pizza Dude's got 30 seconds.

Pizza Dude's got 30 seconds. And then, and then

you wait a couple seconds and then, oh, time's

up. Three bucks off. And he's chewing on a popsicle

stick. Yeah. I mean, I love it. I think Mikey's

just really good at compartmentalizing. That

might be what it is. That might be what it is.

I mean, it was so fun to watch that movie as

a kid. You just see him, because it wasn't a

cartoon. They were real. I mean, you looked at

him and it wasn't CGI. You did. It totally did.

I mean, because they didn't have CGI back then.

Well, I mean, not that level. So you sit there

and you looked at that as a kid and you're like,

oh my God, these are real things. They're really

out there. They did a great job. Jim Hansen did

a fantastic job on those. Yeah. What I love so

much about it is that it's... It's something

I can watch now that takes me back to when I

was a kid That you know that first film same

thing kind of moving into the second film Second

film for me. It was I liked it. You know I like

that opening scene combat cold cuts You want

a pickle? I'll give you a pickle. I love Mikey.

He's so hilarious You know that beginning scene

was awesome I don't much care for replacing Casey

with Keno. That was kind of stupid, I think.

Well, yeah. What I did like was the Keno, the

guy who actually played Keno, was the person

who was in the suit for, I think it was Donatello

in the first movie. I thought that was kind of

a nice way to kind of bring him back, but yeah,

I thought it was dumb that... Casey was completely

omitted and I didn't care for the fact that they

changed April O 'Neill although I thought April

O 'Neill in the second movie was better -looking

No, no, not at all. I'm sorry. No, I would take

Judith Hogg over a page of Turco any day. Shut

your mouth. No way, dude. The dude's on crack.

You crackass son of a... What? Anyway, so the

second film essentially is the turtles trying

to find out where they came from, what's going

on. We get the introduction of TGRI instead of

T -C -R -I. We get Rachel Gould, who is a professor

now, because David Warner is Professor Jordan

Perry, who also voiced Rachel Gould in Batman

the Animated Series. Oh, that's right. That's

right, yeah. I thought that voice sounded familiar.

Shredder survived apparently he now has full

-on razor blades his armor. I Actually like the

shredder design more in the second film than

the first film like the scenes in the first film

when he's in the warehouse and You know, he's

making the speech. I like those scenes. Yeah,

but just seeing him Like standing that's next

to Tatsu or whatever else I didn't really care

for the design on the suit after a while the

second genetic Yeah The second film suit was

awesome. I thought that was great. I wish it

was Rocksteady and Bebop, not Toca and Razor.

Well, you know why that is, don't you? Comics?

Well, it ties into it. Yeah, Eastman and Laird,

they did not want Bebop and Rocksteady. The studio

wanted Bebop and Rocksteady, but Eastman and

Laird did not, so they went with Toca and Razor.

I like those guys. I thought they were kind of

cute. They're not stupid they're infants exactly

maybe they're stupid infants This was definitely

more of a this was definitely more of a campy

kind of uh, you know Yeah, I Remember it was

hilarious when I when when they when they introduced

that container I can't tell you the number of

times that as a kid I ran around pretending with

my friends that we were Ninja Turtles and we

had a bucket, or not a bucket, a can of Pringles

that we used as our container for ooze. It was

bad. Yeah, the one thing that I don't buy from

this film outside of the little other nitpicks

I have, the one thing I don't buy is that every

single New Yorker eats pizza on a nightly basis

at the very beginning. I think that's just a

play on the whole thing. Well, right, yeah. That

pizza looks good. You know I honestly I'd be

curious to know with with with the explosion

of Ninja Turtles in the 80s Through the cartoons

through the movies. You know the at least the

first couple movies I wonder how well pizza sales

did during that time I? Think they rose it had

to have skyrocketed Pizza I mean Ninja Turtles

was a phenomenon at the time. I mean, the only

thing that I could really kind of compare it

to after that would be along the lines of like

The Simpsons where the Ninja Turtles face was

plastered on everything. It was incredible. Exactly.

Steve, what did you think of the movie, the second

movie? That by far was my favorite film out of

the live action ones. I also had the VHS for

this. I watched this one so many times, I almost

ruined the video. I had to use tracking constantly.

Which I'm sure nobody of the modern era knows

what the hell that is. They don't know what tracking

is. They don't know what a VHS tape is. But no,

I really enjoyed this one more. I enjoyed the

Shredder's character more. You can't forget ninja

rap That was cool for the movie No, I still like

it The only thing I didn't like about that was

the flash mob that ensued and the turtles started

I'm like, okay, you could have cut that out.

Yeah, they had they had to do something fun and

can't be and then Then you get Michelangelo blowing

away the shredder outside with the ooze. And

then you get this monster super shredder that

scares the... A BWE star, Kevin Nash. And he

kills himself. Yeah. Yeah. Super shredder was

such a letdown because he was like, he looks

so powerful that... They just optimized him.

And then a bridge falls on him. It's like, OK,

if he's that powerful, he shouldn't be dead from

a bridge falling on him that he knocked on himself.

I mean, he got crushed by a garbage truck before.

And that was when he was a normal human. This

is true. This is totally unbelievable. And somehow

his razor blades and everything else got more

powerful and bigger and more pronounced when

he... Yeah, when he became Super Shredder and

he's like, I will kill you turtles, and he, you

know, could throw everything, break the pedestals,

but then the bridge falls on him and he's like...

Well, maybe the ooze mutated the dock. No, no,

no. It fell on him, it was a super dock. No,

he drank the mutagen. That's right, that's right,

that's right. actually I think there is a good

explanation for that because the mutagen in the

movie was more like the mutagen in the comic

as opposed to the mutagen in the cartoon which

was like whatever the last thing it touched would

happen and it would like become a hybrid of that

but the mutagen in the comic seemed to be more

like a hyper evolution thing so that actually

makes a bit more sense that Shredder would just

become like a superhuman not necessarily that

it would That changed his armor, but I guess

if... No, there's no reason it would change his

armor. Because he consumed it! Just stop. I can't

make sense of this movie. It's entirely unbelievable.

This movie about giant human -like turtles. Humanoid

turtles that happen to know ninja. I came to

really enjoy... the voice for Donatello in this

one, but at first it was kind of just jarring

to me that it wasn't Corey Feldman. But after

subsequent viewings, I did really enjoy it. I'm

glad that Robbie Wriste, who voiced Mikey in

all three films, did voice Mikey in all three

films. I thought that was great. Sketch, what

other thoughts do you have about the second movie?

Oh boy, this movie was really fun. Sadly, I did

not get to see it in theaters. experience that

awesomeness but I watched it many many times

on VHS and subsequently on DVD and it's a really

fun movie I like how even though they don't use

exactly the same suits they kind of cartoonified

the suit a little bit in the second one to make

it a bit more light -hearted I was kind of bummed

that the turtles didn't really use their weapons

so much in the second movie But there was still

some pretty good fight scenes, and it was just

really entered. It's really funny really I'll

take the ugly one. No, I'll do the one which

one That was that was a very good kind of Yeah,

I mean you know look looking back it There's

a lot of kind of funny moments in there that

really kind of remind me of what we're getting

right now with the 2012 series Yeah, it's kind

of you know funny. You know back and forth between

brothers Yeah Mikey on the right which right

you're right or my right What about you Paul

what what do you enjoy about this movie about

the second film? It's I mean you guys have pretty

much said it. I'm just gonna be echoing it It's

just a generally fun movie It's it's giving us

I mean, you know You watch the cut or you you

read the comic books and you got that kind of

feel in the first movie but for people who Because

honestly, you know the comics I only read, you

know for a little bit and then the show came

out and I was all over that so that took over

my You know dominance in my mind. I mean, that's

what I Think of even to this day when somebody

talks about ninja girls I think about the old

80s ones and I really get a kind of a fun kind

of feel with TMNT 2. I mean that's It just reminds

me more of the cartoon and I have a fun time

with it You know some of the boy scene it was

kind of weird, you know, the Donatello thing

really kind of put me off for a while I loved

seeing mutated villains come into it It wasn't

bebop and rocksteady, but to me it was like the

next best thing because They really were bebop

and rocksteady They were both other than the

fact that they really didn't talk or anything

but they were stupid like bebop and rocksteady

and It was it was just fun to kind of see it.

I I love the scene where they're running around

and smashing everything It's just it. It's just

fun Yeah, exactly. And that's what they're doing.

They're just out there having fun. It's great.

It's wonderful. You get more of the history.

You got the mutation, where it comes from, TCRI

or TGRI, whatever. I get them all confused. I

love the scene when April's interviewing the

doctor. I can't remember his name, but. Jordan

Perry, yeah. Interviewing the doctor. Then all

of a sudden, they cut and they go away. And there's

giant ass dandelions. that are byproducts of

them dumping this ooze. It's like, whoa, a giant

ass mutated flower. OK. I mean, it was just absolutely

fun and completely unrealistic. And that's what

made it fun. Exactly. What's really too bad is

there were several drafts for the second movie.

And one of the ones that was almost used is Professor

Perry was going to be revealed to be an ootrom,

but they figured that that would confuse the

kids with Krang Yeah, so yeah Probably a good

call, but if they really wanted to keep the movies

more to the mirage style There was some interesting

ideas that they had I think they're on Peter

Laird's blog, but ah man good good stuff there

But you know the movie we got was still entirely

entertaining Yeah. Again, that's one of the -

I could go downstairs right now and watch it.

And fuck, I actually might. Perhaps I might.

Steve, any final thoughts before we move on?

Uh, not really. Okay. God ninja, god ninja, go!

I made another funny! Ahahaha! Now, Sketch, you're

gonna have to remind me if this was out at the

same time, but I remember Turtles 4, Turtles

in Time, being out. when Turtles 3 came out in

theaters. I'm pretty sure they were. I think

they both came out in 93. Okay, because I remember

playing the Turtles in Time arcade version before

seeing the third film, and I wanted the third

film to be Turtles in Time. That's the biggest

problem. That was the biggest problem with Turtles

3. Right, exactly. And they kinda did that. Uh,

you know, you mentioned earlier about that in,

you know, in the second one, how they kind of,

you know, cartooned the costumes up a little

bit. The costumes in the, the costumes in the

third film suck. Well, Jim Henson didn't do these

ones. Yeah. You know, everybody's got freckles

and spots and considering they're not Jim Henson.

I mean, they're not absolutely terrible They're

serviceable, but right well, they're better than

next mutation. That's for sure Yeah, but and

it's just such a letdown compared to the others

this one. I can honestly tell you I Stopped watching

I got I Don't even maybe maybe halfway through

it You know, so 45 minutes or something like

that maybe 40 45 minutes And I literally turned

the movie off and to this day. I've not I've

not seen the entire movie It's it's just I was

like, this is the stupidest fucking concept.

I'm done with this crap If it was based off the

video game, I would have loved it because that

video game I mean, you know some of you kids

out there listening to this you might not know

that there were little hangouts were big, giant

video games. It was just one video game, kids.

One video game in a big machine. Okay, big. It's

called an arcade. Yeah, there you go. It was

called an arcade. You go there and there's a

bunch of them. Okay, okay. I literally spent

dollars and dollars playing that game. And when

this movie came out and was not anything like

that, I said, fuck you so what. So... All right,

the third film for me. It made my eyes bleed.

Watching it today as a 33 -year -old, I had to

take breaks when watching it. See? No, seriously.

I would watch the first 20 minutes of it, and

then I would watch 10 more minutes and 10 more.

I would take 10 -minute breaks and do other stuff

because there are a lot of really, really great

lines in it. It's not as quotable as the first

film. It's not as quotable as the second film,

but there are a few you know like one of my favorite

scenes from this one was um Mike he's trying

to cook pizza He's like yeah Frisbee also good

and he throws it and it hits the it hits the

blacksmith and then it bounces off with Donnie's

head and he's like it was Mike what's the thing

I I didn't do it and Again, I'm glad that Corey

Feldman came back as Donatello that was that

was great um i don't mind that they switched

up the voices for raf because raf to this point

in the film series he's moved beyond his anger

he's learned to you know control it a bit and

i don't mind that they changed the voice actor

for that um and and and again robbie wrist was

mickey as as usual um I don't like how they half

-assed it with Casey and essentially made Elias

Codeus play two roles. Well, they at least brought

him back though. Well, right. No, I'm not saying

I didn't like that they brought him back. He's

relegated to being a babysitter. Right. I hate

Splinter in this movie. Oh, yeah. Splinter sucks

in this. It's ridiculous. The voice was horrible.

The design was horrible. And he just hangs out

in that one room so that they don't have to do

much puppeteering. Pretty much, yeah. Pages in

this one though again like a freak He's like

it's like a low -grade puppet show. I Liked each

better in this one than I did in the second.

She's hot First 1993 standard sure It's Wow,

oh I'm rotten tomatoes. It's only got a 27 That

doesn't surprise me. What I'm curious Let me

let me let me look real quick. Let me look while

he's looking Steve. Did you have any thought

holy crap? Okay? Hold on this one only has a

44 Now they know these these are well hold on

let me let me go to the top critics. Okay, all

right top critics Give it a 57 the original Ninja

Turtle movie god. I thought it would have been

done better than that They're kind of the pr

they're snobs They are they are top they give

hundreds to is is animation They don't even have

a score for top critics for Turtles 3 It's just

it's just all critics and that's 27 but let me

let me see if I can find Turtles 2 is that one

that one I think people All I'll see the alright

that's uh top critics give that a 50 so top critics

give that gives turtles to a better than the

first turn Wow, that's so I like turtles too,

but that's so wrong Steve any thoughts on the

third film terrible. Don't want it Okay, then

it'll probably age you horribly watch somebody's

review of it instead Between that and a back

credit card, yeah, exactly. Holy crap on a stick.

What? Well, I'm skipping ahead to the TMNT 2007

movie. That's only got an 18%. What? Rotten Tomatoes

sucks. For the top critics, the audience, on

the other hand, has given it a 63%. But top critics,

I really like the TMNT. CGI movie the CGI movie

was pretty awesome I I had nip I have problems

with I mean it was one of those things where

it seemed like it was supposed to kind of sort

of tie in to the the cartoon series that was

going around at the time or the I don't know

because it's like it's I have no idea where it

comes from because you've got this daughter or

whatever of shredder running around and it's

like we beat the shredder I'm like You did? When?

Where? I didn't see that unless it's supposed

to be from the other movies. In the second movie.

Well, yeah. Well, that's the thing. They don't

really explain that they're still all tied in.

Right. Well, they kind of do at the end, because

you see all the stuff in the vault. But the 2007

CGI movie, TMNT, is meant to follow these three

films. It does have influences from all incarnations

of turtles to that point in 2007. I like the

story. I thought it was really interesting. I

find it weird that Captain Picard is a villain.

That was awesome. I hate Daphne from Scooby Doo

as April. I hate Sarah Michelle Gellar as April.

I don't buy that at all. She's hot. She can be

hot all she wants. You know, she can rub up against

Ryan Phillippe's thigh in Cruel Intentions, but

still... I just don't buy Sarah Michelle... I

don't buy Buffy the Vampire Slayer as April O

'Neil. I just don't buy that. Why don't you buy

Buffy the Vampire Slayer as April O 'Neil? I

just don't. He doesn't have a dollar. Shut up.

Overall, I enjoyed the movie. I thought it was

great. I liked how they continued the continuity

of essentially the... The brothers have essentially

scattered to the four winds. I love the fact

that donnie is resigned to being an it guy I

thought that was hilarious. I love i love mikey

dressing up as a turtle. Yeah, go out and be

a party entertainer I mean that that that ranks

up there with the ghostbusters dressing up as

the ghostbusters to go out there and do party

stuff Where's he man bring he man in here? Oh,

I thought I was gonna be he man Now, I love this.

It's got great CGI. It is an amazing story and

all that stuff. What about you, Sketch? What

do you like about the 07 CGI film? I like a lot

of things about it. I like the character interaction.

I'm bummed that Donatello and Mikey didn't get

more screen time because I think Donatello was

one of the most entertaining characters in that.

That one bit when he's doing the IT. He's like,

did you try plugging it in? Yeah, that would

help. So the kind of stuff that Donatello has

to deal with in his attitude towards it, I like

that kind of sarcasm. And I hope that they bring

out more of that in the new cartoon. And I feel

like they kind of are. But maybe not to a great

extent. Because Donatello has become really cynical

in the 2007 movie. And it really shows. And I

enjoy that about his character. Michelangelo's

just kind of silly, but he's always entertaining.

But this was all about Leonardo and Raphael's

conflict, and you finally get that epic battle.

I said epic again. There it is. That great battle

between the two of them and Raph's whole vigilante

thing. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense for his character.

Yeah. Raph as a metalhead Batman, nice. Yeah,

totally cool. I know the main plot of the movie

doesn't really grab me with the brotherhood and

all of that. I mean, I think it's good that they

didn't use the shredder again, but I would have

liked to have an actual Ninja Turtle villain

in there, like maybe Baxter with a horde of mounters

and a huge armor. To fight them or you know,

there's tons of characters and I thought I thought

you could have really brought in and done the

other rat king very nicely Oh, yeah, the ranking

could have been interesting. Yeah and creepy

very creepy Yeah, cuz that was that was a really

dark feeling Dark feeling movie even though I

was it was completely family -friendly, but it

had this edge to it that you didn't see since

the first Ninja Turtles movie. Right. So it was

nice to see that come back. And the animation

was just stunning. If you watch it on Blu -ray,

it looks even better than it did in theaters.

It's crazy the amount of detail that went into

it. I mean, it's no surprise why it took so long

to make it. Just really great. And the voice

cast is great. I would have liked it if they'd

used the 2003 actors, but the cast that they...

They had was really great. Yeah, and I loved

Patrick Stewart is the bad guy It's good. It's

good getting him as a bad guy. I mean he really

has a lot of Range with with his with his ability.

I mean, it's I mean his voice is the same no

matter what he does, but He's just such a good

actor that he can play anything and it's believable

exactly that the turtles weren't cast as like

big name celebrities because that probably would

have taken people out of the experience and I'm

sure that's what they were thinking though we

could argue they have now cast Hollywood folks

in the new series but that doesn't bother me

at all so maybe it wouldn't have bothered me

then and you would have been fine I would have

been fine because that movie overall was very

entertaining If for no other reason than that

fight between Raph and Leonardo, which is...

Oh, yeah. The fight was epic. It was epic. It

was. It was. That was an epic one. And it was

in the middle of the rain so that you could see

all that detail. Oh, it was so good. So good.

It was a cinematic experience. Yes. It was very

much a cinematic experience. And it's not a very

long movie, so people shouldn't... Really, it's

pretty sure avoiding watching it. You should

totally go out and watch it. It's not even yes,

not even it's 87 minutes Arguably possibly not

even sure yeah, not even an hour and a half So

go see it yes Steve what are your thoughts on

the o7 movie um I had seen it a couple years

ago. I actually have the Film four pack of the

first three films and then the TMNT 2007 I really

liked it. I The voice cast was kind of either

way on I'm not I don't really care either way,

but I thought the concept was neat Very very

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briefly we're going to talk about turtles and

music. I mainly added this segment to that podcast

episode because of the soundtrack coming out

of their shells. Oh, Jesus. Oh. Why would you

eat? Oh. This is my favorite podcast. Ugh. What,

you're going to include turtle tunes, too? Oh,

Jesus. Hell no. Hell no. Coming out of their

shells was a CD that came out back in the day,

cassette and CD. It had its own tour. The tour

was just dumb. The music for the time wasn't

that bad, but it's not that great listening back

to it now. You ought to get your ass kicked for

even bringing this up. I got to agree with, and

I don't want to unnecessarily reference other

people's reviews of these things, but. What the

nostalgia critic in the game nerds said, that

it was like Christian rock. And I like Christian

rock, a lot of it. But it's so heavy handed like

some Christian rock that I have to agree with

what they said about that. Yeah. As far as other

music. Well, as far as other music with the turtles,

I mean, I count in here the 87. All the animated

series theme songs from the 87 of the 03 to the

current 2012 series, I'm still surprised that

the 87 background soundtrack music has not been

released to this day. It's a rights thing. Wrong

way. I know it's a rights thing. I mean, who

even owns the actual rights to that show? Because

I don't think Lionsgate does. I think they only

have the digital and DVD distribution for it.

I'm not sure. It's not Mirage and it's not Viacom

unless they bought it out from somebody. Viacom

kind of owns everything, I think. They're like...

Between that, they're like Disney. I was gonna

say, who's gonna buy out who first, Viacom or

Disney? That'll be interesting. You know, the

music from the films, I loved that. I love the

intro music. I love, you know, the songs that

are in both of the first two live -action films.

All that stuff Paul did you have anything you

want to say about the music of TMNT? I mean like

I said, I mean there were some songs that really

kind of stuck with me I sat there and tried to

write down and memorize the lyrics for Well a

couple of them I mean even even the ninja rap

when I tried listening to that and tried getting

that and that was just I Was not very fast, right?

Those lyrics are nonsensical. No, it's there.

It doesn't really it's just Turtle power is a

better rap It's just you know Cashing in on vanilla

ice at the time and yeah, I mean the music it

works it's I Even kind of dig the new 2012 intro

I like how it really kind it's it's modern, but

it kind of homages the the original series Works

for me. I like it Any thoughts on the music Steve

I Agree, I love the ninja rap, but um, I also

like all the different theme songs from all the

different animated series, but um, I Am not familiar

with that One that you talked about the live

concert whatever I think I put it on the server

at one point. I don't know And I about shot myself

in the face. So yeah You've definitely at least

heard pizza power Yeah That was using turtles

in time Yep You know overall I you know, I can't

wait to see what happens in the future for music

and turtles very very cool the sketch What about

you? What are your thoughts on turtles and music?

Okay. Well, he sounds very he sounds very enthusiastic

asking you that question Very enthusiastic. Yes,

I One one song that stuck out with me. It was

the the opening title music to the first movie

that done. I like that one Of course it has it

pales in comparison to the cartoon theme song

which is my jam Anytime that I have that on like

a CD or on MP3 or whatever, I just blast that

thing. I just love it. I love it. And I am currently

in the process of trying to maybe do a sort of

remix of the original theme with the new one

to kind of sink in the lyrics from the old one

along with the new one's lyrics. I don't know.

I'm nerdy, but sometimes I like to rap. So. Will

probably never do this but you know I could I

could do it on the fly at least Word which is

fine, but the soundtrack of the original tune

is just super great the all the battle music

even some of the Really all the music is great

the the quiet music the loud music. It's It's

just such a pity that we don't have that soundtrack

and the 2003 series I actually had some really

nice views at times, but a lot of it feels very

generic. Which is one of the downer points for

that series, I would say. I enjoyed Ninja Rap,

I enjoyed Turtle Power, and there was nothing

really Turtle specific about the third movie

soundtrack, but that's the only one I ever owned.

because I won a contest when I saw the third

movie in theaters. I did like a drawing and I

got that CD and I listed the crap out of that

CD like Tarzan Boy. That was a good, I think

it was probably my favorite song on there. Oh,

oh and the song that plays in the credit sequence

of the beginning of the movie. Yeah, yeah, that's

the only good thing about them Yeah, yeah good

stuff there, but some of my favorite music related

to Ninja Turtles happens to be in the video games

Oh, yeah, the entire Turtles in Time soundtrack

is awesome It also includes the greatest elevator

music ever The Super Nintendo one does anyway

that wasn't in the the arcade Alright, we are

going to talk about some plastic shells. Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtle What do I do with them? DESTROY

THEM! What's going on here? It's the turtles

digging the old foot soldiers to boot with their

latest invention, the cheapskate. What gives

on a roll? And look, in the sky, it's a bird.

It's a jet. No, it's the turtle trooper parachute.

Sorry to drop in without calling. Bring in the

knuckleheads. Uh -oh, those attack and grab foot

machines look like real trouble for the green

guy. Whoa, can you move carried away? Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles. From Playmate. It looks

like bad news for April O 'Neil. Ooh, look at

this. The A -supporter don't have a trunk. Yeah,

but she's got a turtle. Look, it's the Turtle

Wills. That flip hot breath bums away. Guess

who's dropping by in the Turtle Trooper. Hey,

dudes, let's crash. Where are you going, pawn

head? Oh, no. Oh, yes, it's the cheapskate. Thanks,

guys. Hey, it was a pizza pie. Only from Krona.

Is this the end for Donatello? Ain't this turtle

breath. Got a pizza instead? Coming right up.

It's the turtle's murderized pizza thrower. Hey,

time for the party. Oh, no. We've often rocked

steady in the flying foot cruiser. Looks like

they've got an eye on our boys. Hey, these dudes

are a real pushover. Michelangelo to the rescue

in the party wagon. We'll show these hairballs

how to party. Only from Krona. Quagg! The master

brain from Dimension X! Ally of the evil Shredder

and Baxter Stockman! The wickedly winged scientist

who are out to destroy the Ninja Turtles! Quagg

Stock! Right! Ace Stock! The turtle's tough -feathered

friend! Along with Dinkus Frog who's always hopping

for action! Always ready to fight on the side

of the turtle! You'll be riveted to your seat!

From Playmate! Introducing Leatherhead! The evil

Cajun Gator! Leatherhead! These are your targets!

The friends of the ninja turtles! Yusaki Ujumbo,

the samurai rabbit! Casey Jones, the sports warrior!

And Metalhead, the robotic turtle vending machine!

Destroy them! Whoa! Better watch the old blood

pressure, Shredhead! Now you can get a pop -up

display stand inside specially marked packages

of turtle figures! Great for displaying turtles

when they're not eating pizza! From Playmates!

Well, I don't know. What a shot! The double -barreled

plunger gun saves the day again! And with their

retro catapult, the turtles are giving the foot

some of their own medicine! Anyone remember where

we parked? From Playmate! Think of quietly! The

footer about to ambush the turtle's skewered

places! But thanks to the turtle's periscope,

it's no surprise! Take cover! The footer attacking

with their sewer ball! Watch out, turtles, or

you'll wind up in the recovery room! Oh no! Retro

mood is an oose! The Shredder's up with old tricks!

And speaking of growing up, the turtles are taking

the elevator to street level to make a call on

Shredder using their private line! Reach out

and crush someone! Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

from Playmates! It's the new Wacky Action Wind

-Up Turtles! Who you callin' Wacky? How about

Great Fightin' Raphael, who spins to attack with

Footstars and Rattola? That's not Wacky! Well,

what about sewer swimming Donatello, who gets

into the swim with spear and scuba jets, or rock

and roll Michelangelo with spinning action arm

and weapon? Well, now we're talkin' Wacky! No,

we're talkin' Trouble, cause here comes the Foot

Clan's mouser, stompin' and chompin'! Why, now

this is... from Playmate! We got you now, Shredhead!

The Turtles have Shredder pinned down and are

rolling their Pizza Thrower into position! I'll

blast you with Retro -Mutagen! But, before he

can act, the Pizza Thrower's adjustable aim and

motorized firing action give Shredder and his

henchmen their just desserts! You clawed my gun

with anchovies! The Turtles and their portable

Pizza Thrower triumph again! Why are we so happy?

We just lost our lunch! From Playmates! So let's

talk about turtles the toy line For me, I remember

having all of the original turtles all of the

original villains All that stuff from the 80s

from 1988 to whenever the toy line ended. I remember

loving Like undercover dawn, I remember loving

some of the disguised turtles And then after

that, I pretty much got out of it until Playmates

this year released the classics collection. I

love the way those classic toys looks. So awesome.

Gotta get me some of those. Sketch, what is your

involvement with the toys? Man. Well, I got all

four Turtles over a process of time. And I'm

pretty sure I still have all of them. But later.

For my 18th birthday, my grandmother gave me

the full pack that was released, I think, on

the 10th anniversary. And that's still in the

package. So I'm probably going to sell that someday.

Yeah, I look back at those toys because I got

the 25th anniversary re -release of Leonardo

and Michelangelo. And I got Leonardo out of the

box. I was playing with it a bit. You know, these

are really good toys still. And there's so many

toys that have come out since then that are just

kind of crappy. But I really like the 2003 initial

Turtles toys. I got all four of those. And those

were really great. I mean, compared to what we

had before, they had nicer articulation, obviously.

But now I got Michelangelo and a Foot Ninja of

the newest series toys. The articulation on those

is, like, so much better. It's crazy. And there's

so many crappy kids' toys out now. It's nice

to see that the Ninja Turtles toys are still

pretty good and worth the money because they're

making people pay, like, seven bucks for an action

figure these days. And that just seems wrong

to me. No. Some are even more expensive than

that. Yeah. Like, obviously, the premium ones,

like the classic line that Playmates just put

out. Those deserve to be going for like $15.

But some of those other toys, I can't believe

what they're pricing those things at. And I mostly

got a lot of Turtles variants in the original

line, because I didn't like that many of the

bad guys. I think I had Metalhead and Genghis.

And those are the only bad guys I can remember

having. But my favorite toy by far was one of

the vehicles, the Pizza Thrower. Ho ho ho that

thing was rad Had that if I remember correctly

that sucker could chuck a little disc pizza pretty

darn far, too Yes, it could I mean, I mean it's

like just so fast Yeah, and don't they would

hurt if you shot them at somebody. Oh, yeah,

they were there I'm telling you that little spring

or anything that was up Shoot with siblings made

that much easier with the pizza thrower. Amen.

Oh the reasons why I liked it so much It really

sticks out to me as super cool. I didn't get

the party wagon until the 25th anniversary re

-release, but nah, man, pizza thrower all the

way. What about you, Steve? What's your involvement

with the toys? The toys? I had everything up

until the, let's say, the about 96 I had every

toy and then I switched over to Batman and eventually

Star Trek so I gave it all to my brother with

the exception of the Technodrone and I had like

Metalhead and I had the crying figure and pretty

much everything else I gave to my brother but

I had the Technodrone up until about two years

ago Same thing with Metalhead. The only thing

I have left is Krang, but I... I played the hell

out of all of the toys though. I had the sewer,

I had the van, the blimp, the... The drill thing,

the foot soldier drill. I had everything. It

was crazy. Man, you rich? No. Those those weren't

that they weren't that expensive back then no

if I remember they're like five or six bucks

I think Well, I like to know the vehicles way

more. Oh the vehicles Yeah, much more expensive

technodrome is the most expensive thing and I

had that for years, but yeah Yeah, that is probably

the most Probably the greatest of all Ninja Turtles

play sets was the technodrome. Yes, and and that

actually that large crane Not the little miniature

$8 one that they had, the huge one. You can't

get that sucker for less than 100 bucks on eBay.

You're going to pay out your ass for that thing.

Yeah. And I so wish I could get my hands on a

newer one or at least all the parts to repair

mine. Or replace elements of it. But yeah, that's

that's still my favorite turtles toy at the old

now come 2012 stuff. I there's quite a few things

I really want from it that I cannot afford yet.

And I want the 30th anniversary, you know, turtles

that are fully articulated. But yeah. Yeah. Hey,

maybe they'll make a crank. If they did, I'd

be all over it. That would be awesome. All right.

What about you, Paul? I've heard you say in the

past that the NECA comic versions are your favorite.

So where did you start with Treasure's toys?

I mean, obviously, as a kid, I had them all.

I never got into a lot of the variants. I mean,

it got kind of ridiculous after a while. Where

you know that they were dressed up as sports

players and yeah, I mean it just Got insane after

a while, you know, you want the star trek turtles.

Well, yeah, there's a star trek I mean at a certain

point a lot. Oh, yeah, I used to have those too

Yeah, they're they they will fetch you a pretty

penny. But I mean there there is a lot of great

figures From from original cast that I had It

was there was some stuff that I didn't have that

like my best friend had like he had the sewer

playset I never had the sewer, but I had the

technodrome That's one thing that I would love

to be able to get again for my collection And

it's it's just a matter of finding one that doesn't

make me say ouch when I look at the price of

It would have known that a couple years ago.

Yeah. Yeah Let me think what one of my One of

my favorite toys, it wasn't actually, it wasn't

branded right as a toy. It was like a foot, called

the foot cruiser or something, but it was the

hover car for the hot rotting teenagers from

Dimension X. It was theirs, it was their, I mean

that's the way it looked, but it was branded

as a foot soldier vehicle. I love that little

thing. I mean, that was, you know, I mean, you

had Back to the Future back then, and you had

Hover Cars and stuff, and I just thought that

was a cool thing. I loved it. Then after, you

know, I kind of got older, those toys kind of

went away, and it was a very sad time. But honestly,

it was the Turtles Forever movie, or whatever,

whatever you want to call it, that... Got me

kind of you know a lot of it. I'm like you know

and they came out when I was collecting toys

I'm like you know what I want to have a turtles

forever display, so I went out and I bought the

What I consider the 80s turtles what my favorite

turtles are the the mutating ones that can go

from oh, yeah Yeah, I love those that's what

I use in my as my classic turtles then I got

the 2003 main turtles or turtles themselves And

I bought the black and white issue of the Nekka

Turtles and those things blew me away. The amount

of articulation on those has not been seen up

until these new classic ones from Playmates that

we've gotten. And those new classic ones, for

me, they are the definitive versions of the 80s

cartoon turtles. They are the best ones that

you could possibly get. The NECA ones are the

best ones you can possibly get if you want a

comic book representation of them. I absolutely

love those. The new Turtles, the Turtles by themselves

I think are outstanding. You can see where Playmates

put all their their fundage into them and rightly

so. I mean you should have the Turtles be as

articulated as possible. The minor characters

the April O 'neils and the shredders and the

cranks like that. They don't have as much articulation

as the turtles do, but I'm glad that they at

least put that amount of articulation in the

turtles. That's key for me and I love them. I

remember when I first got those and I was reviewing

them, they were just so fun to just to kind of

look at. My only kind of gripe would be I wish

that the Donatello figure had the little gap

in his teeth because I think that's... Adorable

in the new 2012 Donnie. You got a big giant gap

in between his teeth I I love them. I I have

I still have them over here. I'm looking at him

right now nicely displayed I have Although I

got way too much crap. I got all for the CGI

movie turtles I got this I got those toys. I

like they're okay. They're okay. I'll give them

that Yeah, they're pretty big. They're pretty,

they're definitely bigger than what we got before.

I got the Sewer Play Set from, from the 2000,

is that the 2000? I don't know what. No, that's

the 2003 series Turtle Lair. I have the new 2012

Turtle Lair, and I love having them in my collection.

They're so freaking fun. Very awesome, very awesome.

Alright, so I think we're going to slime. I even

have slime. I bought slime. I like him fine We're

gonna get pixelated and we're gonna come back

and talk about the video games. We'll be back

after this We should have mentioned that playmates

is coming out with Lego Ninja Turtles. Oh, yeah,

we just did and now we're gonna move into the

video games. Oh No, but seriously before moving

to the video games, yeah those yeah the the Lego

TMNT stuff looks great Absolutely great, but

but the video games I remember playing the Changes

your initials are the the original arcade game.

I remember playing that I remember playing I

don't I think it was a claim it might have been

I don't remember I remember playing turtles two

handheld games I don't know if it was a claim

or tiger electronics or whoever I think yeah,

I think it was tiger. Yeah. Yeah, I remember

playing that I remember playing the NES version

of turtles and it was so damn hard The hardest

part of the game was the damn swimming part.

That damn damn level. That one still gets me.

I mean, one of the first games that I downloaded

on my Wii when I got it was the first Ninja Turtle

game. And I sat there and I played that. And

I mean, I got good at it as a kid. I could get

through that whole thing. There was there was

a system that I had in place You know like go

to this one go to this one go to this one switch

to a new character Go to this one go to this

one because you're gonna lose life. I mean there's

there's I don't care who you are You can't get

through that game without getting hit with one

of those little orange Fucking things whatever

they are or not orange, but pink little things,

but that game I could sit there and I could play

the hell out of that game. I love that game Yeah,

it was it was very cool In the original NES game

For me the only turtle I would ever play as is

Donatello because his bow could reach everywhere.

Oh, yeah Choosing anybody else was you you're

gonna die as soon as you well Leonardo was pretty

good But I mean the the worst for me was wrath

you you couldn't do anything with that dumbass

Yeah, he was the first one that got to die in

the damn level. Yeah past the NES version, past

the original arcade game, up to Turtles in Time.

After that, outside of I checked out Smash Up

a while, you know, a couple years ago. But those

are the four that I really played. I didn't really

play. I never played. I think I played Manhattan

Project once and I didn't care for it. But I

don't know. What about you, Sketch? What are

some of your favorite games for Turtles? Love

me some Ninja Turtles games. When it got to the

point that I had a job and I could spend money

on whatever I wanted, because I didn't have a

lot of bills to pay, I tracked down all those

old Ninja Turtles games. And Turtles in Time

is by far my favorite. I actually got that when

I was younger. My dad bought it for me, used

at a game store that was going out of business.

Nice. But, oh, man. I played the live -in crap

out of that game. I played it at least once a

year. I especially like to play it with my cousin,

two -player. Sure, it's not the four -player

experience, which is, honestly, the best thing.

The best thing. I have people say, well, you

could play six in X -Men. It's like, I don't

care. Ninja Turtles. The first time I played

Turtles in time, I didn't even know that game

existed. I was at a bowling alley with my cousin.

And we were like, oh, cool. They have a Ninja

Turtles game. It's like, hey, this isn't the

one that we've been playing before. And I think

we got the metal head. And then we died. But

it was like, oh, man, new Ninja Turtles game.

This is so great. And I have loved that game

ever since. And that is easily my favorite. But

I've come to really appreciate the Manhattan

Project, the last game on the NES, because it

is huge. It's like twice the size of Turtles

in Time. And honestly, Turtles in Time will take

you like 20 minutes to beat, which is fine because

you can sit down, beat it, feel satisfied because

you threw foot soldiers at the screen. Right.

But if you wanted a challenge or if you wanted

to play a longer Turtles game, Turtles 3 on the

AES Manhattan Project, it's fantastic. It's the

right amount of challenge. You have more moves

in your arsenal. Lots of great boss fights. You

get special attacks. It's a really good NES game.

So I highly recommend anybody who likes those

old Ninja Turtles beat them ups to track down

that game in particular. Because Turtles, well,

I guess they're both pretty hard to find now.

But obviously Turtles in Time is the king. Hyper

Stone Heist, also good. But Turtles in Time,

all the way, especially in the soundtrack department.

What about you, Steve? What is your exposure

to the video games? I've played various ones.

I don't exactly... I mean, I've played the Hyperstone

Heist. I've played a couple of the other... I

think I've played the Madden Project. I've not

played anything on the Game Boy. I liked Smash

Up. Pretty much those are, in my opinion, the

better... the better games out of all of the

other ones listed. Just because I have the most

familiarity with those is why I'm saying that.

So it's a little bit biased, but at the same

time, I like them for different reasons. Man,

I think I need to talk about the 2003 games because

nobody else will. If you want to, briefly, go

ahead. OK. Well, the first 2003 game was like

playing the cartoon, and that's great. But they

really messed up because it was it was in the

days of GameCube and Xbox and it wasn't for player

What is wrong with them? They fixed that in the

second in the third game, but in the second game

you shared a life bar. That is terrible I hate

these games still had their merits, but I I can

understand why a lot of people would get frustrated

with them But I thought that the third one in

particular was a very good game If you didn't

have four turtles, then you'd have computer -controlled

turtles, and they were so stupid. Like, you could

get them stuck behind walls and stuff, which

is kind of funny. But it was still a really fun

game. But all the Game Boy games were really

good. They were solid 2D brawlers. You had a

lot of moves. And the game base, the 2007 movie

in particular, was like... River City Ransom

combined with the Ninja Turtles games So you

can beef up your characters learn new moves It

was just criminal that it wasn't multiplayer

and they came out with a multiplayer one for

the DS called arcade attack and It basically

embodied all the things that I don't like about

some modern Ninja Turtles games Because it was

boring to play It was boring and monotonous,

and I think a lot of that comes down to the music.

But also, in some of those old games, you had

a certain amount of satisfaction when you hit

things, like there was a sort of weight to the

attack, especially in Turtles in Time. Not so

much in the original arcade game, but that's

kind of forgivable because the controls were

floaty. But in Turtles in Time, even though there

was no rumble feature or anything, you felt it

when you were smacking around a foot soldier.

In some of these more modern games, you don't

feel it, even though you have a rumble feature,

which is ridiculous. And I don't really hate

on the remake of Turtles in Time, because I still

think it was pretty fun to play. But that's one

of the things that had totally gotten wrong.

You had no satisfaction hitting those foot soldiers.

It was dull. And that's criminal in a Ninja Turtles

multiplayer game. But those games aren't all

bad, and people should give them a chance if

they have. the systems that played him right

we all know paul is not a gamer at all but do

you have any experience or knowledge with the

games have you ever played any of the games well

i i mean i i played i obviously i obviously played

the original ninja turtle game uh even even back

on the original nes uh i i do remember playing

the arcade games uh loved loved Let me think.

Did I love those games? I think I did love those

games. I think I did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I

did. You know, Turtles in Time loved it. It was

absolutely a joy to play it. I actually kind

of enjoyed playing the 2007 TMNT game. It...

Was okay all the only because for me it still

looked it looked like the movie and I Still saw

a good level of detailing that that CGI. I thought

still came through fairly. It was very easy It

was a good single -player experience. Yeah, it

was it was ridiculously an easy game, but When

it comes to it you you It's so hard for me to

actually enjoy these games because they it should

be a multiplayer game every single game for Ninja

Turtles Should be a multiplayer game. It's built

for that. Yeah, I mean you you They're the Ninja

Turtles. It's not Ninja Turtle and then that's

what you go out there and do I mean I like I

like the old NES one how you could switch Turtles

it was kind of like all of them were there with

you at whenever but all these games it was it

just screams for a cooperative kind of gameplay

and Most of them fall short of that kind of expectation,

but I mean I mean for the most part those were

those were it I mean, I I enjoyed the old NES

kind of games and arcade games, that's That's

when I enjoyed playing games. I don't enjoy playing

video games much now no Because you're an old

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when you register. Uh, so how do you guys normally

handle these situations? Turtle Power! Don't

you just love these guys? Cowabunga! Cowabunga!

Jesus, like having fun, Mikey's now. Donatello

has found someone to latch on to. Not even close,

Zipknot. Professor Marianne, happily ever after.

No way, Atomic Mouth. Gilgen was her main man.

They'd be married and have six kids by now. Gilgen

was a geek, Barferoni. You're the geek, camel

breath. Good dawn, red. Elphlips. Let's give

this a try. Let's see if this transplant worked.

Fungoid. All right, here goes. What are we on?

Uh, G. Here goes, gack face. I'm ready, ho's

brain. I'm Mike the Birdman Dodd here from thisweekengeek

.net and thatgadglasses .com, and well, I'm here

to talk to you about some of my memories about

the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I became a

fan, I'm hard to pin down when. I think I remember

watching the cartoon and then seeing the movie,

or maybe it was the movie that led me into the

cartoon. But regardless, I've been a fan since

probably about 1988, 89, give or take. My Christmases

were filled with many upon many Ninja Turtles.

I specifically remember getting the original

Four, Shredder, and a Foot Soldier, and April,

and eventually expanded to get Splinter, Ace

Duck, and many, many, many others, although I

didn't get my original Turtle Van until I treated

some X -Men toys for it to one of my neighbors,

although I never did own the Technodrome, which

is unfortunate because that thing was freaking

cool, but my neighbor had it, so whenever we

played Ninja Turtles, epic battles, were sure

to be had. I followed the cartoon through its

time on the CBS Saturday morning block before

they eventually axed that. And then I kind of

fell out of Nid Turtles for quite some time,

though I did have a passing interest in the 2003

series where they brought them back and then

flashed them forward and everything. And it wasn't

until probably about 2009 I found out about the

Power Rangers Turtles crossover. Well, that was

something. Although I've recently become... full

circle again with the fandom. As part of my work

with Twig, I did get a chance to talk to Carl

Aronian, the Playmates Toys Chief Turtle Officer,

and that's definitely revived a lot of my feelings

for this franchise. I actually do want to go

back and get the graphic novels from the Turtles

to see how they were different from the television

show. I understand one of them gets their arms

ripped off and there's like murder mysteries

and everything else, so it sounds really cool.

I'm really interested to see where this franchise

go. As for the new cartoon, they've done a fantastic

job. There's no way around it. Honestly, I hope

the Turtles are around again for a really long

time. I'm really glad that Michael Bay reboot

never got off the ground, so hopefully it will

be in the hands of someone definitely more capable.

I gotta say, I'm glad the heroes on half shell

are back, because believe me, we need heroes

that don't suck. The crucial piece of evidence

we were looking for? The clue which will lead

us to the heart of the evil ninja empire? Not

even better! It's a place where we can get some

pizza! Right on! Okay, I'll head up there and

check it out. No, no, April. It's too dangerous.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a ninja pizza

parlor. I love saying lines like that. We'd better

go with you, April. That's right. Besides...

we're hungry we are back here on get cast radio

episode 40 heroes and a half show TMNT franchise

before we give for all of us give our final thoughts

on the franchise and before we close with the

show we have to go back to movies because um

very interesting developments one that i found

out is not true while i was doing research for

an interview um I found out that a certain voice

actor that we've talked to in the past will be

in Ninja Turtles, the 2014 Michael Bay produced

film. According to IMDB Pro, in production, pre

-production has currently begun, the supposed

release date of the Ninja Turtles is May 16th,

2014. Release date has been pushed to TBD 2014

now at this point. uh let's see here four voices

according to imdb pro sean astin as rafael oh

no greg sipes as michael angelo oh no jason marsden

as donatello oh now this is not true i i said

to jason when i was doing research for an upcoming

interview that i'm doing with him i Messaged

him. I messaged Sean Aston and I messaged Greg

Sipes on Twitter and I said hey is This true

and Jason replied to me Jason replied to me Let's

see. He said all true except for me So Sean Aston

and Greg Sipes who are currently voicing Raph

and Mikey in the 2012 series Will be voicing

those characters in the 2014 film I replied to

him and I said, damn, that sucks. And he goes,

you're telling me. So I'm not sure who they're

going to get for Donnie and Leo, because it doesn't

list Leo at all. But according to IMDB Pro, it's

coming in 2014 for the new Turtles movie. It

seems almost inevitable Biggs will be Leonardo.

Unless he gets in trouble with Viacom again.

Well, he should stop pies then. Yeah. Stop sending

nasty things about people on Twitter. Yeah, that's

ridiculous You on what you say on Twitter these

days. Yeah Everything if if Jason Biggs mouse

off to Michael Bay, he won't get the job and

he'll be denounced from acting forever Yeah,

don't don't piss off Michael Bay. That's right

Sketch final thoughts on TMNT franchise. Oh man

TMNT is such my franchise. I've loved it since

I was a kid. I still love it. I'm hoping to pass

it on to potential children someday. And with

how many times it keeps getting rebooted, that's

certainly possible. And, oh man, it's great because

I feel like each of the turtles represent a little

part of my personality at this point. Yeah, you

know, I'm a multi -faceted person. Interesting.

But back when it, who can't love Ninja Turtles?

I mean, there's something for everybody in that

franchise. Exactly. And regardless what people

thought, you didn't need to throw in an additional

female character. You had April, and that was

perfect. And you had Irene. Yes. Paul, final

thoughts briefly on the TMNT franchise. I totally

have to agree with Sketch. If it's not Transformers

for me, it's Ninja Turtles. And it's really hard

for me to pick a favorite between the two. I

honestly don't know if I could. It's like trying

to break up the kids. Well, yeah, it's like trying

to pick between two of your children. I cannot

do it. It was a It's a fantastic series. I think

I touched on it earlier that I don't think there's

another 80s franchise out there that has the

same kind of staying power as the Ninja Turtles

and Transformers. Others have tried and others

have failed. And I think it says the longevity

of Ninja Turtles that they're able to still be

successful no matter what generation. you target

it towards. So successful. Each one got at least

100 episodes. Exactly. It's nutty. Steve, final

thoughts on the TMNT franchise? Oh, I definitely

agree with you guys. There's definitely something

for everybody. But overall, there's a ton of

just great content between all the different

Sagas of the the franchise. I mean there's If

you're a fan of the toys of the comics the video

games or the just the cartoons I mean, that's

there's so much great content in there that Can't

help but like whatever you're stumbling upon

Yeah, the same thing for me, I mean it's it's

so awesome that, you know, you have all of these

different incarnations from the comics to the

first animated series to, you know, the second

and third animated series to the movies. All

that stuff. So, so amazing. Such awesome stuff.

Absolutely love Turtles. Sketch, why don't you

tell the people where they can find you online

and your other geeky stuff that you do. Okay.

Well, you're definitely gonna find me on Twitter

at sketch1984. See, what have I done lately?

I'm working on throwing together a Ninja Turtles

podcast with my buddy, the real Don East. And

I am sitting on five episodes currently, because

I haven't had time to edit. I'm too busy. As

much as I like working with you, I don't think

I can listen to that show, because that guy doesn't

like anything. That's not true. He likes lots

of things, just not all the things you do. But

yeah, you probably can't stand to listen to that

show. Maybe. I don't know. I still do reviews

and such. I'm supposed to start doing blog editorials

for ToonamiFaithful .com, because another facet

of my fandom is most definitely the Toonami block.

And now that that has come back to television.

I'm just all up on Yeah That's I'd say that's

about it What about you Paul where can people

find you in your ego? Well, if you if you choose

to humbly follow me and keep up with my my to

-do's You can find me at obviously youtube .com

slash opto bottomus as well as Opto bottomus

on Twitter or team bottom is on Facebook if you

are so if you are so humbly interested in following

this lowly persons oh my gosh I just realized

I've watched one of your toy reviews oh there

it is there it is right there wait what was it

what was it it was it was the Ninja Turtles the

the new toy reviews oh there you go oh cool cool

you know uh... what about you will see if you're

on check really expecting your own little turtle

so but i don't know uh... uh... i don't have

to talk to you and uh... shat out no no i don't

like their child referred to as a reptile well

they're in the yes you breadbastard but um...

gathered that and i'm planning on doing some

more uh... my video show Altered Geek. So hopefully

that'll be out in the coming week. Awesome. Awesome.

And as always, Tombcast Beyond is going strong.

Powers of Grayskull, Tales of Eternia just starting

up. November we're going to be... Movie Revolt...

I almost said Pixel. That's the wrong person.

Movie Revolt, Dan and I are going to be tackling

18 of the 23 Bond films, all that good stuff

over at GeekCastRadio .com. We hope you enjoyed

this episode of GeekCast Radio. We shall join

us next time when Dan and I will be talking about

Bond, 50 years of being 007. For now, I am TF2

on Mic with... I don't know. Steve Megatron Phillips.

Me off the bottom is 1984 Thank you for listening

until next time Sign off time April will kneel

Boy were you seen of course not mr. Splinter

we practice ninja the art of invisibility Practice

harder Ten flips now and remember go ninja go

ninja go I made another funny Omega. On the half

-shell, they're the heroes four. In this day

and age, who could ask for more? The crime wave

is high, with muggings mysterious. All police

and detectives are furious, because they can't

find the source of this lethally evil force.

This is serious, so give me a quarter. I was

a witness, get me a reporter. Call April O 'Neil.

And on this case, hey, you better hurry up. There's

no time to waste. We need help. Light quick on

the double. Have pity on the city. Man, it's

in trouble. We need heroes like the Lone Ranger.

When Tonto came pronto, when there was danger,

they didn't say we'd be there in half an hour,

because they displayed Turtle Power. R -T -L

-E Power. T -U -R -T -L -E Power. T -U -R -T

-L -E Power. T -U -R -T -L -E Power. Now our

ace reporter was hot on the trail, determined

to put these crooks in jail. She spied the bad

guys and saw what happened, but before she knew

it, she fell in a trap and got caught. Yes, she

was all alone with no friends and no phone. Now

this was beyond her worst dreams, because she

was cornered by some wayward teens. Headed by

Shredder, they were anything but good. Misguided,

unloved, they called them the Foot. They could

terrorize and be angry youth, and they mugged

the people who needed proof. Then from out of

the dark came an awesome sound. Shouted cowabunga

as they hit the ground. From the field of weeds,

the heroes rescued the flower, because they possessed

When you stand for what you believe in and find

the strength to do what's right, that's Turtle

Power. a mission when there's a battle got the

enemy wishing that they stayed at home instead

of fighting these ninja masters with moves like

lightning they were once normal but now the mutant

sprint is the teacher so they are the students

leonardo michaelangelo and donatello make up

the team with one other fellow rafael He's the

leader of the group, transformed from the norm

by the nuclear goop. Pizza's the food that's

sure to please. These ninjas are into pepperoni

and cheese. Back to the story, it's not hard

to find. Ninjas not just of the body, but of

the mind. Those were the words that the master

instructed, but a letter from Shredder had splinter

abducted. That was the last straw, spring into

action. Step on the foot, now they're gonna lose

traction. Now this is for real, so you fight

for justice. Your shell is hard, so you shout,

they can't dust us off. like some old coffee

table since you've been born you've been willing

and able to defeat the snake protect the weak

Fight for rights and your freedom to speak. Now

the villain is chilling, so you make a stand.

Back to the wall, put your sword in your hand.

Remember the words of your teacher, your master.

Evil moves fast, but good moves faster than light.

Shining for your illumination, good versus evil

equals confrontation. So when you're in trouble,

don't give in and go sour. Try to rely on your

turtle power. T -U -R -T -L -E POWER! T -U -R

-T -L -E POWER! T -U -R -T -L -E POWER! T -U

-R -T -L -E POWER! T -U -R -T -L -E POWER! T

-U -R -T -L -E POWER!