Exploring the Music of the 60s and 70s

GeekCastRadio .com presents GeekCastRadio Episode

30 The Music Spotlight Music of the 60's and

70's Like T .R .G. when Blanchard, David Double

D Dennis, and Chuck Dog 1999. And welcome to

GeekCast Radio. This is episode 30. This is going

to kick off the epic music spotlight I have planned

here at GeekCast Radio. I am one of your hosts,

TFJ1Mike, and wow, I can smell that air freshening

crap. Holy shit. Joining me from this week in

Geek is David Double D Dennis. Hello, sir. Hey,

I have a cold. So forgive me. I'll try and mute

it every time I cough. Yes, and from, I don't

know. I don't know if it's the world's first

G .I. Joe podcast, but the world's famous G .I.

Joe podcast, What's on Joe Mine? We have Chuck

Dogg, 1999. Hello, sir. Good evening, Mike. Can

you feel the electricity back together once again?

No, I... smelling the fumes for Christ's sake.

I'm going to end up dying before this show is

over. Oh my... horrible i'd rather i'd rather

so i was one of the deadly fart that's not a

damn air fresher stuff if if you die before the

show's done on can you write something down that

says i get the option on the masters of the universe

classic figure getting from bottomless no okay

no uh... because i've already paid himself uh...

so yeah uh... basically what this is going to

be is My original plan I wanted to do a music

spot. I love listening to music. I love listening

to bands. I always have The original plan was

geek cast radio podcast episodes 30 through 35

It would be five musical episodes and then through

suggestions and bringing people in and then bringing

other people in It's exploded. We are still gonna

have the 30 through 35, but we're also gonna

have special episodes in between each one of

those major number episodes. This music spotlight

most likely will take Geekcast Radio until January,

February of next year to get it done. It's gonna

be a very fun, you know, topic and topical stuff.

In this episode, I originally... titled it our

parents music, but it is now retitled the 60s

and 70s music. So what's going to happen is the

three of us are going to talk about really quickly

in the intro here. We're going to talk about

what we grew up and what we listen to now. And

then we're going to have a discussion on the

music of the 60s and the music of the 70s. So

for me, uh... growing up you know being born

in nineteen eighty i grew up with a lot of the

eighties stuff all notes wang chung tears for

fears george michael billy joel uh... a lot of

that stuff you know i know a lot of those bands

had gotten their start before the eighties but

that the eighties was like we're we're really

especially with all those is really where they

got popular uh... you know in the nineties i

started listening to like to do dolls and listen

to a little bit of our bond all that other stuff.

And then, you know, now mainly I listen to stuff

like, you know, rock and roll stuff, well, rock

and roll for what it can be called, I guess,

you know, stuff like Nickelback and Theory of

the Dead Man and 12 Stones and stuff like that.

For right now in 2011, I basically stick to the

old music. I don't like anything the radio is

playing nowadays unless it's something from a

band that I Have listened to over the years like

like I said Nickelback or Theory of a Dead Man

or you know rock bands that I have Been involved

with or not involved with but have been you know

listening to them for years at this point So

Dave, what about you? What are your musical likings

or growing up or whatever? Well, I grew up in

a very Christian home, so I think oldies music

was always the most family friendly sort of choice.

So I grew up on a lot of that. And a lot of the

Christian rock bands of the 90s, which I have

to say was actually a really good period for

Christian rock. It actually was decent. It kind

of sucks now, but it was pretty good at the time.

And I think just recently I've sort of fallen

in love with like two eras of music which I guess

I'll be talking about one today and then one

on a later episode and that's classic rock from

the 60s and 70s and I guess the 80s as well and

90s music 90s rock and indie music So yeah, those

are like my two specialties, I guess Yeah, I

was kind of in on the Christian scene. I actually

remember as How old was I 12 13? I remember doing

music videos to free at last. I Remember me.

Oh man. That's a great out. I remember making

my Myself and my two cousins we were the the

all -white version of DC talk And we would just

like dance out to the songs, so we would have

the songs playing in the background and my aunt

would have a camera on us and we would just be

dancing out to the songs. It was just hilarious.

But yeah, DC Talk and Jars of Clare are two other

ones that I absolutely love as well. What about

you, Chuck? What kind of musical stylings did

you grow up with and what do you listen to now?

Growing up, I actually was born in 1979, so I

grew up in the 80s too. But growing up in New

York, which is a big radio town, I had an equal

dosage of the modern music of the day, the 80s

pop, the rock, what have you, as well as healthy

doses of... the 50s doo -wop soul r &b early

rock and roll like the drifters sam cook smoky

robinson the temptations um buddy holly richie

valens and also and just This is really going

to date me. We even had a country station. To

give you an idea, this station has actually been

off the air for almost 20 years. So there, it

was introduced to Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash,

Kenny Rogers. And that really was like the foundation.

The funny thing is, I never bought albums. I

never bought tapes or what have you, just because...

Didn't understand about changing taste. I just

figured this is stuff. Everybody will always

be listening to it will always be on the radio

Well, around the time I got into high school,

that changed. And that's really when I shifted

to what I listen to and buy now, which is predominantly

classic rock with a slant towards the new wave

of British heavy metal and country music with

a slant towards the outlaw country of Johnny

Cash, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, and Hank

Williams, both senior and junior. So good country,

not crappy country from like the last 10 years.

OK, now hold on, hold on. I have an amazing,

amazing, really weird, whacked out story that

I will tell in the 90s episode, because in the

90s is really where I got hooked on country.

You know, people like Garth Brooks, Reba McEntire,

all that. So yeah, I'll save that for that episode.

But no, I mean, I think this You know, talking

about the 60s and 70s, we all three of us have

very, very diverse, you know, as far as musical

tastes and it's going to be a really good discussion.

So we'll be back with music of the 1960s. Let's

say you take a song, you belong to me. If a man

was singing that song, and let's say you change

it to a minor key and you take away all the bright

production, that's a scary ass shit song. I mean,

that's the kind of song somebody who keeps bodies

in the basement. I mean, I'm afraid of her. I

am afraid to say, first of all, besides the fact

that if God forbid she ever finds out I say anything

about her, she'll write a song about me, because

that's what she does, but she might throw me

in her basement. Girl's nuts. i you know a lot

of people nowadays like like i mentioned earlier

and gaga and taylor swift and all these other

people that are you know celebrity made people

type of things i don't think the only time i

ever paying attention to them as if you know

that you know it if if they're running a behind

the music or any true hollywood story i don't

listen to any of that stuff pisses me the hell

off that youtube suggests that i subscribe to

the justin bieber channel i've never listened

to a fucking justin bieber song entire fucking

life baby baby baby no you said a lot better

than he does thank you thank you let's get this

let's get this on the road yes sir So yeah, first

up in the discussion, we're going to talk about

the music of the 1960s. It surprises me. I sent

you guys an update email just to remind you about

the recording tonight, and it surprises me how

many different genres of music are in the 60s.

Not even regular genres, just sub -genres, like

in rock. You have beat music, the British Invasion,

British Blues Boom, British Psychedelia. so much

different stuff where we want to start with music

in the sixties guys uh... maybe we should start

with the climate of the sixties and how that

could influence the music that we're that people

are listening to okay uh... i wasn't around at

the time but and he was i've heard many things

about it well yes i i said i'm in the same boat

but you basically had generation coming out of

the 1950s of that mom -and -pop Ozzie and Harriet

type of thing where you had a lot of social change

a lot of youth revolution kids looking back at

what their parents did thinking it was wrong

wanting to Do their own thing and that influenced

a lot of the music You had you had the birth

really of the folk rock poets the beat poets,

you know, like Bob Dylan John Denver and artists

to that ilk And that that really that early part

of the 60s. I mean that was really dominated

by them And you know establishing the songs what

people would say songs of a revolution Yeah,

I think what oh Sorry, go ahead. No, I'm just

gonna say you know go ahead make your point.

Oh Yeah, when I think of the the 60s like the

50s I think of a culture that kind of hid everything

that it considered bad or wrong and then in the

60s all that stuff was sort of bubbling up to

the surface and they weren't hiding it anymore

and we had things like the sexual revolution

and hippies were starting to emerge and psychedelic

rock and and drug use and stuff like that that

was coming along with that so it was a culture

that kind of wanted to go against the perfect

america that they were trying to build after

the second world war yeah Don't know correct

me if I'm wrong here And it's one of those things

where you know after the Second World War in

the 50s You know rock and roll is a sin. I mean

as much as people wanted to I mean, you know

look at God, I can't believe I'm making this

reference. We'll get Pleasantville Black and

white is the best color is evil color is the

devil but it's you know it's one of those things

where you know the music has changed over and

over and over um and in the 60s it was more so

that you had all these you know rock and roll

things popping up and all you know people having

some you know slight acceptance to that um and

i'm sure there's other genres that popped up

as well. But I mean, I mean, what I mainly remember

from the 60s is a lot of good rock. But honestly,

sadly, the one thing I remember from it is the

Beatles. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, the Beatles,

I mean, when they came along, I mean, at first

when they debuted, I mean, they were the face

of that Ozzy and Harriet generation. But it's,

you know, once they got on and They changed as

well. By 1965, there was the start of the counterculture

movement, the Vietnam War. Again, the Beatles

changed their music, but they were really part

of that British invasion. To me, it's not just

British artists coming over, it was also a sound.

I think it was a sound that was... identified

with Rickenbacker guitars which were you know

a new guitar company coming up at the time along

through Vox amplifiers a British amplifier company

that had a very unique transistor sound and that's

really you know part of it I mean I play guitar

so I identify with the instruments and the sound

there but I mean then you know not even just

the Beatles but the Rolling Stones Herman's Hermits,

the Kinks, oh god, the Kinks, I mean that's,

you know, those guys were like, right, I mean

if the Beatles were number one, they were number

two. Yeah. I think, when I think of the 60s,

I think of British bands trying to sound like

American bands. Because there was a lot of artists

that come over from Britain, like The Who, The

Beatles, like we said, uh... led zeppelin started

in the late sixties uh... i don't know the yard

birds and uh... they were all trying to do this

sort of bluesy set sound that was coming out

of uh... like louisiana at the time and uh...

imitating the great like uh... blues artists

that were from america primarily were mostly

black people as well well you have to keep in

mind what happened was these black artists could

not get any radio airplay in america because

of racism they were embraced in your in the united

kingdom in london in england and all those in

all those uh... areas so when these artists were

coming over they were playing the music that

they grew up listening to that they loved because

This is what they knew. So it wasn't like they

were trying to rip off the artist. These were

their influences. And they didn't create it.

It's just – and they really introduced this music

back into America because by the point that they

came over there was that shift in the mindset

so you had people willing to listen to Screaming

Jay Hawkins, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon Jefferson

and the like. but uh... i mean and then don't

get me wrong that was a very important part that

those blues that the really what was the blues

rock the british blues rock artist and also that

was the start of where you had virtuoso players

in bands uh... you know really you had known

guitarists like let's say in the fifties yet

buddy holly Buddy Holly was known just for you

know being his band. He wasn't known as a Top

-notch guitar player. It's just that he was a

singer who played guitar But in the 60s you had

a guy like Jeff Beck Eric Clapton Jimmy Page

who were Guys known for playing guitar that if

you know, you were listening to a song like let's

say you shook me or dazed and confused and Jimmy

Page was playing guitar, you knew you were going

to hear something good. And that was really after

the first British invasion, where it was just

established. This is when you had these artists

coming in. Yeah, I think it was in... Oh, sorry,

go ahead. No, go ahead, Dave. Oh, I think now

I almost lost my train of thought. actually the

virtuoso guitar playing and stuff like that it

was just something that didn't really fit in

with the late 50s early 60s pop type of sound

because songs back then were basically made to

be played on the radio and they were made to

follow a certain formula of like verse chorus

verse chorus bridge chorus and then you end the

song and Then towards the late 60s, especially

with the release of sergeant pepper's only hearts

club band Band started to focus more on putting

together great albums instead of putting together

great songs and that allowed for the the freedom

to put more longer guitar solos or to put songs

that were nothing but a guitar solo or a drum

solo like Led Zeppelin's Moby Dick comes to mind

it the like 50 % of that song is just a drum

solo from John Bonham and you couldn't really

get away with that type of thing in the 60s because

if you weren't making songs specifically to get

lots of radio play your band wouldn't last very

long because you wouldn't make a lot of money

and you know you'd have to find a different job

yeah yeah exactly uh i mean really it went from

albums were just basically the collection of

singles all in one place to being something that

was thought out and planned out and created with

that thought in mind and the singles would come

after. More so with artists like the Beach Boys

and I can't believe I'm saying these two in the

same sentence but you know the beach boys the

doors hell even the you know jimmy hendrix and

jimmy hendrix experience and we can't talk about

sixties music without talking about all that

as well you know all of that just ties into i

mean a lot of the beach was stuff was probably

singles but you know the doors made excellent

albums oh yeah you could listen to a doors album

front to back and enjoy every track It's like

you said at the beginning Mike, there were just

so many genres of music just sprung out in the

60s. It's going to be impossible to talk about

them all. It's funny, we talk about being on

radio and you mentioned The Doors as being a

band that put out great albums. The Doors were

a four -piece band. Singer, keyboardist, guitarist

and drummer. They had to hire a studio bass player

to come in and play bass because radio would

not play any other songs if it didn't have that

solid bottom end. You know, it just wouldn't

happen. But live Ray Manzarek would play a Fender

Rhodes and would just do the bass part with his

left hand. And that was it. And that's what they

did for the longest time. Yeah. So I think the

doors are good. Go ahead Dave. I was just gonna

say I think the doors are a good example too

of What we were saying about singles versus album

rock because on their self -titled album Light

my fire is like seven minutes long The radio

version of that song is maybe three three and

a half minutes So I think that was one of the

first times where a band had made a song in a

certain style for their album and then cut it

back so that it could be played on the radio

they think that's you never really hear that

yeah i think i would never really hear something

like that happening in the sixties that's that's

something that we're gonna eventually cover not

really cover but that's something that we're

gonna be mentioning throughout this entire music

spotlight over the genres because you have i

mean you have bands that Will make those long

songs because that's what they want to make but

they know That those aren't the ones that are

gonna get the radio play because they are so

long. I mean radio play songs Average, I would

say two minutes 50 seconds to four minutes 25

seconds Yeah, roughly depending. I mean if you

wanted to give it like a true average maybe three

minutes 45 seconds per song Yeah, because no

matter how long the song is, people's attention

will start to dwindle after that point. Well,

I mean, it depends. I mean, if the artist can

hold the person's attention, Ray Charles, the

great singer and pianist, he had one of the first

long singles. He had this song called That's

What I Say. I am not sure if I have the name

of it right, but it's the one that goes It was

seven minutes long and the thing is he originally

recorded it. It was 13 minutes and the negotiations

with the record company was I'll edit it to seven

minutes you release that as the A side but the

B side has to be the full 13 minute song and

radio station and this actually I think became

a number one hit and radio stations, when they

would play it, they would play the beast side

of the full 13 minutes. It was like an incredible,

I mean, and that was like unheard of at the time.

There's only one, I mean, I know that we're not

going to talk too much about the band that I'm

going to mention here. Outside of what you just

said, there's only one other band or artist that

I know that intentionally makes long songs, and

that's Tool. We'll get to them way later in the

spotlight. I mean, there's just so many different

types of music in the 60s. There's pretty much

something for every person, no matter what. I

mean, no matter what you like, there's something

for everybody. I mean, it's not just the multiple

subgenres of rock. You still had pop in the 60s.

You still had jazz and all this and all that.

It's just one of those... decades of music that

is so diverse no matter where you turn you have

a choice no matter what you like and everybody

played with everybody else it was in that's really

something wonderful is that you know Jimi Hendrix

would jam with Jim Krupa or I don't know if that

really happened But you had jazz guys being influenced

by the rock guys You had the pop people hanging

out with like the rock people I mean, we all

know the stories about Marion faithful being

Mick Jagger's girlfriend and the scandal that

she was there when Mick Jagger got busted with

marijuana and all that stuff, but You know, I

mean, I mean and even you know, that's actually

something that's continued throughout all the

years of music where you've had that cross over

with different genres coming together because

at the end of the day everybody loves music and

you know, everybody loves the song and You know,

that's what it is Yeah, you know, there was like

a unity in the 60s that you didn't really see

after that Among all the artists at the time

and it was one of the few periods where the music

that was getting a lot of radio play Also happened

to be some of the best music of the era radios

actually wanted to play great music until like

the 70s and then the or I guess the late 70s

and then into the 80s and 90s radios were playing

more of the pop hits and then a lot of the more

influential like that was sort of progressing

the styles from the previous decades was kind

of buried in this underground scene. You didn't

really have that as much of an underground scene

in the 60s because they didn't need it. Yeah,

because later in later decades, what happened

was we evolutionized with stuff like MTV and

VH1 and the whole, you know, video is the next

thing for music. You know, you didn't have that

in the 60s. I don't even know if there were any

music videos in the 60s. I don't think so. There

was. There was? Okay. They were called promotional

films. While they weren't up to the technical

standards that we would see in the 1980s, they

were there. For example, Pink Floyd... I think

The Beatles Help is kind of a long -form music

video, isn't it? Well, yes. That's actually...

Well... Sort of. Not the movie. I mean, there

is a video for Help. That's not singing and playing

but Pink Floyd. They did a video for their song

Arnold Lang Which was the four of them fooling

around with a mannequin and You know, basically

the most advanced shots they had in that was

like the reversed Filming where you know, you

would you would fill some something going forward,

but it would play back backwards I know Bob Dylan

Had a song I can't remember the name of it, but

it was actually used by in excess in the 80s

for their song mediate where he would be standing

on camera with Cue cards with the words to the

songs with the words to the song on it And he

would just be you know going through it little

pictures or what -have -you but um Yeah, I mean

like I said you really didn't have like the acting

or the over -the -top theatrics it was Basically

promotional pieces and the reason they existed

is that you take a band like the Beatles or like

the kinks who? Were so in demand They couldn't

be everywhere at once so they would make these

promotional films of them saying help or you

really got me and Send them to the different

networks like top of the pops in England American

bandstand in America or the other regional, you

know, music shows and they would air them there.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's, as I said,

I mean, look at a lot of the, you know, women

movement in music as far as, let's see, where

is it, you know, Where is that note? Damn it,

you know, Gary Jerry Goffin and Carole King became

very influential doing pop music writing numerous

number one hits including First song to ever

reach number one by a girl group the Shrells

with will you love me tomorrow in the 1962 number

one hit the locomotion which is performed by

a little Eva I mean, it's not just the you know,

I don't want to say boy bands because 60s didn't

have that You know, it's not just the male influence

in music. It's also the female influence as well.

I mean, look at Aretha Franklin, you know, you

know, singing respect, which was an Otis Redding

song. It was just all over the map in the sixties,

you know, and as I said, it's just choice. You

know, Mike, it's funny, how many people would

know that that was an Otis Redding song, that

it was something he recorded and performed. I

mean, it is so identified with Elritha Franklin.

I can't think of anybody else singing that song.

I don't think I've even heard him ever singing

it. I know he probably did, obviously it was

his song, but I don't think I've ever heard his

version of it. I think I heard it once. It was

like a little different arrangement, but it was

more of like a straight ahead R &B song instead

of... You know, when Aretha did it, she brought

in a lot of that gospel element to it. And the

soul, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then the band the soul.

Oh, God. You know, but you talk about Will You

Still Love Me Tomorrow? I mean, that is just

a great pop record. I mean, the way the harmonies

come together. I'm a big fan of harmonies. And

that's why I listen. That's why I like a lot

of the music from the 50s. It literally is just

five people in a room singing together and just

what they produce is just so wonderful. Yeah,

that's that's something we haven't really brought

up yet is the advent of multitrack recording.

in the 60s really changed a lot of things and

changed the way that music was recorded and the

way that it was mixed as well, because you didn't

have to have the whole band all in a room at

the same time. You could record track over track.

Right. And, you know, the Beatles were one of

the first people to really make heavy use of

that. Yeah, they were. I mean, they really started

using that when they decided to retire from.

live performance and focused more on albums but

in my opinion really I don't think multi -track

recording really came into its own until the

70s because then it just exploded but you know

I mean the Beatles really I mean the Beatles

were the pioneers of like any type of new studio

gimmick I mean they were the one of the first

ones to use it you know like double tracking

You know, it's stuff like that. It's like, oh,

yeah, it's like you have, you know, Paul McCartney's

like, oh, pretty hell. You mean I can do this

and I'll make it sound like that. Oh, that's

a wonderful thing. And, you know, next thing

you know, you get something like Rocky Raccoon

or, you know, like a song like that, you get

like little sounds. Yeah, and Paul McCartney

was one of the first people to plug his bass

directly into the the mixer. Whereas back before

that, the bass was always recorded with a microphone

in front of the amplifier. And it really gave

Sergeant Pepper, which is easily one of the most

influential albums of all time, a really heavy

bass sound that no one had heard before that.

It had a presence that people weren't used to.

Oh, yeah. The Beatles decision to stop recording

live and focus on their albums allowed them to

record songs that they didn't have to play live

so they could do whatever the hell they wanted

basically because they knew they weren't going

to go out a couple of months later and have to

have to play it in front of a crowd so they could

have all these weird sounds and weird stuff going

on because there was no obligation to go out

and perform it live and I guess it wasn't until

the 70s that those two ideals kind of met where

people were recording whatever the hell they

wanted on the album and then when they went out

and played it live they had to find ways and

create unique ways of being able to present that

material as closely to the album as possible

well you know talking about Paul McCartney I

mean besides finding ways to record the bass

I mean he was really one of the pioneers in making

the bass guitar a lead instrument That you know

instead of just going doom doom doom doom doom,

you know He gave it a little doom doom doom doom

doom doom and he really brought it in and You

know, I mean if you think about it what you said

about not having to worry about the tour I mean

think of all the Beatles songs where you had

Paul McCartney or John Lennon playing piano And

but then they were also playing guitar. I mean

that would have been something You know, they

wouldn't have been able to do especially Paul

McCartney like yeah have to take the bass off

Unless they hired someone to play one of those

other insurance insurance. Yeah, then like they

would have like if they had God someone to play

piano and tour Yeah, yeah See my problem and

this is not just with the 60s music is with all

music My problem is sometimes and I know you

know bands and artists and you know solo artists

and bands They all have to make their tours something

special and something slightly different. My

problem is is like When I saw 12 Stones in concert

a couple years ago, before I went to the concert,

I had listened to every album that they had at

that point to make sure I was up on whatever

songs they were going to throw at the set list.

What's on the album isn't always what you know

it isn't always gonna be album version is all

isn't always gonna be what they play on tour

because they like to you know throw you know

wrenches in the mix they like just you know change

it up a bit and I understand that but that this

just one of the things that I've never really

liked about you know artists on tour is that

They make the song sound different than what

we know them as yes. Yes. That's a big thing

It's a as they say it's like they like to say

that's like well music is an ever -changing,

ever -evolving thing. It's never the same song

twice, and it's just, ugh. You know, because

if you really like a song, like let's say if

it's like an up -tempo rock and roller, you got

that four to the four beat going on, and you're

like, oh yeah, I like this song, I want to hear

them do it live, and all of a sudden when they

do it live, they do it as like a dirge or a ballad

or something, you're like, huh? Now don't you

sometimes urge what a transformer Well, no dirge

It's not always a negative thing though a good

example for me is I went to see REM a few years

back 2008 I think RIP for them, by the way, they

just split up which makes me very sad, but they

did a song that You guys have probably never

heard of and most of the listeners have probably

never heard of because it's not a popular song

called Let Me In from Monster back in 1993. But

the original song really isn't that great of

a song. It has this really heavy grunge guitar

that just doesn't really fit the slow tempo and

the ballad style of the song. And when they played

it live, they actually played it like a ballad

and they had one of the band members playing

piano and it sounded a million times nicer than

it did on the original album. So sometimes that

live evolution of a song isn't entirely a bad

thing because sometimes it allows the band to

sort of find the song hidden within how it sounded

on the album. Sometimes the band will sort of

they'll like force this song to sound the same

as the rest of the songs in the album so it'll

fit onto the with the album style and when they

let it sort of be itself it just sounds nicer.

A great example of what you just talked about

is and I know we're not in the 70s yet but Lynyrd

Skynyrd's Freebird The free bird as you know

it today is not how it started out I mean first

of all that song was predominantly written As

it will for all the lyrics were a tribute to

Dwayne all But the the long solo that whole you

know dual guitar part was basically so Ronnie

Van Zandt Would have a break from singing Right,

which you know over time became rather pointless

since they ended the shows with free bird So,

you know, he was basically done but it you know,

you hear it on the The record it's their producers

giving them an organ intro. There's acoustic

guitar. There's you know this and that then why

if you figure they had a they had a their Tech

one of their instrument technicians by the name

of Billy Powell He actually wrote a piano intro

for that song And he said hey guys, you know,

I want you to hear this. I wrote this for freebird

After he played it for him. He was hired. That's

actually that's a true story That's actually

how Billy Powell joined Leonard Skinner. God

rest his soul. He passed away a few years ago

and that he getting that, you know, there's that

intro and that's how You know from that point

on Freebird would begin. Yeah, and it was just

you know go from there, but um, you know i'm

trying to think of another Example of like the

1960s music that you know different, you know

live and then from the album But it's very difficult

because a lot of the artists were locked The

ones that I always think of is obviously the

Grateful Dead Made it like a point to have all

their songs sound different from concert concert

uh... that's why they had people following them

around all the time because they knew that they

were never gonna sound the same twice and uh...

i think jimmy hendrix uh... experimented a lot

with a lot of the songs in the live version adding

random effects and stuff like that will jimmy

hendrix jimmy hendrix was a brilliant arranger

see like like he would take songs from other

artists and do it in his style Like a great example

is, are you guys familiar with the Isle of Wight

Festival in 1971? I've heard of it, but I'm not

that familiar with it. Okay, you figure that

festival was on like a Friday or Saturday. Sergeant

Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was released

that Tuesday. Jimi Hendrix opened his set at

the Isle of Wight Festival with a rocked up jimmy

hendricks version of the sergeant peppers lonely

hearts club band and it was basically paul mccartney

was sitting in the audience and he said and he

was standing there saying this guy's had like

four days five days to listen to this album learn

the song and redo the arrangement i'm retiring

going to sell shoes That wasn't just him. He

did that with a lot of songs. He did that with

Bob Dylan's Rolling Stone. Everyone knows him

for covering Bob Dylan's All Along the Watchtower,

but he actually did a couple of Bob Dylan songs

that were never released commercially. It wasn't

until the last 10 years or so when the shows

were released on DVD that people were getting

to hear them. You know like like a Rolling Stone

Mr.. Tambourine man And then but you know the

way there's a great example, Mr.. Tambourine

man that was a Bob Dylan song and most people

don't know it's a Bob Dylan Dylan song because

you know the birds did it and they brought this

beautiful Harmony to it that You know It this

song is identifiably theirs. I mean, it's just

It I mean you say mr. Tambourine man. You say

the birds first and Bob Dylan second And that's

something about the 60s. Oh, sorry. I'll just

That's that kind of points to what we were saying

earlier about the synergy that you had in the

sixties between different artists that an artist

would release something and then one or two years

later someone else to do their own version of

it and it was considered okay now there's like

band rivalries and all this stuff and uh... you

don't have that unity that they had at the time

which is kind of uh... which is unfortunate east

coast west coast for life God, we are not going

there. On that note, we are going to move on

to music in the 1970s. So the second part of

this episode is we're going to be talking about

the music of the 1970s and The one genre of the

70s that I completely checked out and completely

do not Acknowledge is disco. Oh All right, well

Why I'm not a fan of disco. I Tried doing a disco

dance when I was threw my shoulder out. Were

you wearing platform heels? No But it does have

an important part, but let's set the stage for

the 70s. As David mentioned, The Beatles released

Sargent Pepper. That was a landmark album. You've

had bands now, Yardbirds had transitioned into

Led Zeppelin, the British rock was now becoming

a lot bluesier and a lot heavier, and instead

of just putting out singles, Artists and I use

this term artists. We're crafting masterpieces

You had the Vietnam War going on in the background

the breakup of the Beatles which basically cast

a shadow over the entire Decade and really influenced

the music of this decade Yeah, the 70s was really

dark I think compared to the 60s the 60s was

all about like love and peace and happiness and

all that which is great and fine, but then the

70s had this sense of dark, harsh realism to

it, and not just in the music, but I mean, we

could do a whole show about 70s movies and how

after the studio system dissolved and they introduced

the MPAA rating system, movies, now that they

could make R -rated movies for the first time,

were incredibly dark and they had rape scenes

and violent murders and stuff that they couldn't

show back then. Yeah, and the albums that came

out at the time reflected that as well, I think.

Before we get too far into this and before we

get too far into any disco talk that we're gonna

do, people would be screaming at their iPods

and sending me hate mail if we did not bring

up Woodstock. Well, I Mike you know, it's funny

I was just gonna bring it up to go up something

David said, you know The height of the 60s flower

child peace love movement was Woodstock That

was shattered in 1971 at the Altamont racetrack.

Where was the Rolling Stones? Jefferson airplane

concert where basically you had the Hells Angels

biker gang Beating up and murdering people in

the audience and that basically was what set

the tone, was one of the things that really broke

the dream of the 60s into the harsh reality of

the 1970s. Yeah. Yeah, I think the 60s was all

about what could be and then the 70s was all

about what was. Right. If that makes any sense.

To talk about the music of Woodstock, you know,

You know, we were talking about it before about

different artists coming together. I mean, you

had Santana, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Washa Na

Na. Yeah. So, I mean, you had the hard rock,

the jazz rock, and 50's Doo Wop. Yeah, I mean,

it was, you know, it happened in 1969. It was,

you know, probably, you know, there have been

musical collaborations since then. But, I mean,

at that time, that was the biggest musical collaboration

of multiple musical genres ever at that time.

And it was just an experience, and you had to

be there. Yeah, I think the only thing comparable

to that that would come out later, and I'm sure

you'll talk about this when you do your 80s show,

was Live Aid in, I think it was 1984. That's

the only thing that comes to mind that's even...

It's obviously not as big as Woodstock. I'm not

trying to take away from any of the other giant

musical festivals since then, but really, Woodstock

69, before then, there really wasn't any. Exactly.

And after that is when all of these giant festivals

every so years happened. Woodstock 99, not 99,

wow, that's... Later. Anyway, Woodstock 69, you

know, gave birth to all of those giant efforts.

You know, look at, you know, you said Live Aid

and look at, we're going to have a special episode

specifically for the USA for Africa movement.

We are the world episode. You know, talking about

that song and that movement and all that as well.

I mean, without what Woodstock was, we wouldn't

have had that stuff. Exactly. I mean, there wouldn't

have been a concert for Campachia that George

Harrison organized. I know and there was like

the No Nukes concert but that was like in the

later part of the 70s that I know Bruce Springsteen

was a big part of. I mean none of that would

have happened if it wasn't for Woodstock. And

let's not forget the important ironic thing.

Woodstock was a failure. It lost money. These

guys who invested in it you know they like I

mean they Only barely broke even and it wasn't

until after the Woodstock movie and the soundtrack

came out Mm -hmm, so I mean that just gives you

an idea of like, you know such a great glorious

thing Well, you know almost ruined the lives

of a few people Good I think a lot of things

that are considered successes now were were big

failures back when they came out Good example

that I can think of is Blade Runner. Obviously,

it's not music. It's a film. But when Blade Runner

first came out, it was a huge bomb. It barely

made its money back in theaters. And now it's

considered one of the greatest films of all time.

Yeah, there's a lot of things that at the time

it kind of bombs or it doesn't have as much of

an impact. And then in retrospect, we realize

how important it was. Yep, just a random note.

Yes. Somehow I don't think Dave can separate

the musical side of his brain from the movie

side of his brain. And just some of the sub -genres

in the 70s, I'm just looking at this on, and

I'll put this link, I'm not reading any of this

off of Wikipedia, but I am looking at the article

for the 70s here. You know, just some of the

stuff, like Country Rock. uh... you know southern

rock and and you've got power pop and pop and

punk rock and blues rock and soft rock and singer

and songwriter again you know you had just like

the sixties had all the subgenres the seventies

have all these subgenres of so many different

things so you still have a lot of choice outside

of you know getting down in funky town so actually

let me know you guys know what's a good job Well,

I was gonna say this is actually something that's

just come out recently when I say recently I

would say in the last 10 to 15 years There's

a definition, you know the term classic rock.

Yeah. Well, there is an actual now textbook scholarly

definition of what classic rock was It is the

period of time from 1973 to 1977 where artists

released what is considered their seminal work.

For example, Fleetwood Mac's Rumors, Queen's

Night at the Opera, Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti,

Carly Simon's Tapestry. musical timeline definitions,

it goes a few years before, and it comes a few

years later. Right. But I just wanted to throw

that out there, something that I thought you

might guys might find interesting. Yeah, I mean,

just looking... Oh, go ahead. Well, just looking

at, you know, as we've kind of set off there

with each other about, you know, how some artists

start in a certain decade and then get mega popular

in the decade afterwards. I, to this day, I probably

knew it in the back of my head, but I had no

idea that Billy Joel did Piano Man in the 70s.

You know, I mean, it's just one of those things

where you have... Have you ever seen his picture?

With the white man Afro? Yeah. That was great.

I've seen that, you know. I mean, you've got

tons and tons of stuff. What were you going to

say, Dave? I was just going to mention that when

I think of the 70s, the first things that pop

into my mind is the great, great albums that

came out during that period. I think the first

one that popped up in my head that you didn't

mention was Genesis, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

I think when people think Genesis is one of those

bands that you mentioned that really boomed like

the decade later in the 80s with stuff like Invisible

Touch But the Lamb lies down on Broadway Which

doesn't really sound like that later Genesis

at all since it was when Peter Gabriel was the

lead singer It's such a masterpiece of an album

and also in the In in the 70s you could get away

with doing a double album Which wasn't I think

the first big one was Bob Dylan's blonde on blonde

and then the white album But it became a really

popular thing in in the 70s to release these

like mega albums Yeah, oh yeah, I mean you talk

about a band like Genesis Genesis I actually

put in the same category as Fleetwood Mac where

you can actually draw a line, and that there

are two different versions of that band with

the same name. Genesis is a big part of the 1980s.

I know that when that show comes up, I'm sure

they'll be discussed. Their 70s work with Peter

Gabriel and Steve Hackett. one of the greatest

guitarists of all time. I mean, a lot of people

don't know who he is, but what that guy could

do, I mean, he really brought... I put him in

the same category as Steve Howe. When people

say, well, I have this influence or that influence,

you know, you can kind of hear. With those two

guys... You've really heard it. I mean if you

you know if he says one was influenced by the

gypsy guitar player Django Reinhardt You can

hear it and it's amazing stuff. And I mean you

talk about Lamb Lies down on Broadway Yeah, you

know Watcher of the Skies fifth of Firth. Oh

I mean, that's just awesome heavy stuff. I mean

with Peter Gabriel. I mean the sledgehammer guy

is doing like epic progressive rock and then

Fleetwood Mac you know a lot of people I mean

a lot of people nowadays know this but they were

a 60s blues bland blues band excuse me that featured

the incomparable Peter Green as singer and guitar

player and another legendary guitar player but

it wasn't until really they changed their sound

of the 70s that they got You know, the hits,

well I shouldn't say the hits, but they really

broke through to a wider spectrum of an audience.

Yeah, kind of going back to the 60s with what

you said about a band having that dichotomy of

early version of them and then the late version

of them, the Beatles were sort of like that too.

Everything from Revolver and on... Could be considered

like their lsd period I guess and then from before

that was like their marijuana period Well, at

least that's that's how I would classify it anyways

Well, the way I look at the Beatles is like they

didn't really like there isn't that like straight

split like say between genesis 70s genesis 80s

genesis there's because I mean you figure even

on albums like revolver the white album sergeant

pepper You still had those fun little sing -along

songs like rocky raccoon uh... paperback writer

uh... paperback paperback paperback writer that

was an earlier so uh... but i think that like

the like rocky raccoon and you know send a lot

like uh... paperback writer and you had those

happy jingly songs which paul mccartney wrote

but you'd be if anything you had a split where

paul mccartney was writing the happy stuff and

john lennon was writing the more serious you

know educational, thoughtful type of stuff, but

I know you just said something Dennis and David

and I was just talking over you. All I said was

when you were talking about those like happy

jingly songs, Win M64 from from Sargeant Peppers,

another one that comes to mind. Also Hello Goodbye

came out later in their career and kind of sounded

like a song from earlier on in their career.

But even same thing with Genesis some of their

later stuff still carried a little bit of the

earlier sound But it was definitely a different

type of band But yeah, I guess that could kind

of progress us into talking about like the prog

rock that happened in the in the 70s was huge.

Oh For prog rock, let me tell you something as

a guitar player My right foot is in The you know

blues rock hard rock heavy metal my left foot

is all in prog rock Because I mean that is the

stuff we talk remember we were talking about

You know the pop song format, you know, no longer

than three minutes this or that Yeah, you know

you listen to something by like Pink Floyd or

yes three minutes in the guy is still doing a

guitar solo One band right away that I want to

mention, and I'm going to go into them a little

bit more when we do our top tens of the 70s,

but Yes. Yes is a perfect example of what was

great about the music industry back then and

why it sucks today. Yes did not have a hit or

really didn't really sell albums until their

fourth album. The record company had faith in

them. Let them work their way through, find their

sound. They actually had to change guitar players

and a keyboardist before they got their classic

lineup. And then they released Fragile, which

is a seminal work in prog rock. I mean, I tell

people, if you consider yourself a prog rock

fan, you need to either be familiar with the

music off of Fragile or own Fragile. I'm trying

to think. I hate to say that. I'm not even sure

if I own Fragile. I have Tales of Topographic

Oceans and a whole bunch of other stuff. You

say it's their best work, yet you don't own it.

That is sad. But you know what? I know all the

songs off of it. Roundabout, Yours is No Disgrace.

Just a great album. What's funny is that's their

greatest album. It's not their best seller. The

albums that came after that, that sold a lot

more. Oh You 185 or whatever the owner of a lonely

heart album was called but you know, that's more

in the 80s Yes, that's that's really where I've

ever that's the only thing I've really ever heard

of them is owner of a lonely heart now, I know

that they are a great band I know that they have

other great works as well, but You know growing

up in the 80s That's really the only song I had

ever heard from them and I almost thought that

they were like one of those one -hit wonder bands

They actually had quite a few hits in the 80s.

It's just that owner of a lonely heart has been

off that like totally it was their first and

only number one single and You know, it was then

that there's a whole story behind it But then

I mean that's for when we talk about the 80s,

but you know, I mean, yes I mean just the fact

that that you would In this day and age, I mean

how many times have we heard about former American

Idol winners? You know, they win they make their

album. It doesn't sell the next year They're

dropped by the label and they're back, you know

flipping hamburgers a McDonald's. I Mean that's

a rainy Yeah Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if

I wait here either troll rainy was there yeah

That was I can't remember his name now Taylor

something I think Oh Taylor Hicks Taylor Hicks.

Taylor Hicks. Yeah. The only reason why I know

this is because I looked at the American Idol

Wikipedia article a couple days ago because I

was having another discussion about music with

someone else and we had brought up American Idol.

I do not pay attention to that crap. No, but,

you know, 70s rocked the... the prog rock and

all that stuff it again you have and i i think

this goes along with probably everything that

we're going to do in the music spotlights you

have choice everywhere you go you can listen

to anything you know i mean really you know we

as as the as the decades progress to the spot

we are going to bring up we will be bringing

up country to a certain extent we will be bringing

up rap to a certain extent it's going to be a

like like a five percent extent because i'm not

into rap at all sounds like you're choking your

dog stop it but you don't know the seventies

you know produced some really really great album

some really really great artist bands uh... you

know i guess it before billy joe started in the

seventies hono started in nineteen seventy two

with all those you know so i mean The 70s to

me is a springboard for a lot of artists and

bands. And then as we said before, where the

popularity hits is the 80s. The 70s had this

kind of great dichotomy going on where you had

the bands that were doing like the prog rock

thing like Genesis and Yes and David Bowie. I

guess Led Zeppelin would fall into that, but

then you had the bands that had a much simpler,

cleaner sound that were going into more punk,

which would become post -punk in the 80s, like

Cheap Trick and The Cars. Just trying to think

of some good examples of that. It's funny you

mention those two bands. Television is another

good example, I guess. Television, yeah, Aaliyah.

How many people would even remember television

nowadays? Not a lot. Yeah, I mean it's interesting

that he I'm sorry. They only released they only

released two albums, but they were like our key

moon is such a influential piece That other bands

like the clash and stuff like that that came

after that that would have had to have been at

like a major influence on them Look what Elvis

did with the 70s. I mean, Elvis was huge. I mean,

Elvis gave you that rock and roll beat that people

needed. We're obviously going to talk about this

person more in the 80s stuff, but another artist

that really got their Their props and their their

their fame in the 70s was Elton John. I mean

billboard named him you know the Best artist

of the decade for the 1970s. Oh me closer Tony

Danza This is not who's the boss Thank you for

that. But I actually want to touch on, you know,

David, you mentioned Cheap Trick and The Cars.

I mean, if there were two bands that drew an

audience like I would actually you know, there's

a third band I would mention with them, Motorhead.

They draw an audience from so many different

genres of music. I mean, like I say that. cars

and cheap tricking or rock bands but i mean that's

just the easiest way to say it because i mean

they're not exactly pop rock they're not exactly

punk they're not exactly hard rock i mean they

i mean they were really just us i mean really

more so with the cars and i would say cheap trick

in my opinion they were a great example of just

a solid good rock band that you could buy a ticket

to a show and know that you're going to be entertained

and hear some good music Nobody was like an overly

virtue virtuosic if that's a real word Performer

but what they had worked with everybody else

in the band and it made good stuff Yeah, yeah,

it was just it was just fun fast -paced music

and like I said that sort of bled into the punk

movement that would happen in the late 70s with

like the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, the Clash,

where it was very, very simplified. They sort

of got rid of all of like the synths and string

quartets and stuff that they were doing in progressive

rock and sort of making a statement against that

type of music. Exactly. I mean, you mentioned

it, the progressive rock. I know for a fact that

the Sex Pistols, they John Lydon or Johnny rotten

was his real name his stage name. He wanted to

form a band in protest of Pink Floyd like Basic

because you figure this was around the time of

animals and they had just gotten so huge that

he's like enough They and that they these early

punk artists, you know, a lot of people, you

know, I dismiss a lot of punk music as just noise

but a lot of these are early guys really were

talented musicians who wanted to go back to that

simple rock and roll music of the 1950s and if

you listen to the music and the structure a lot

of those structures in terms of the chord progressions

the hooks the turns are a lot of it a lot of

is from 1950s Heck they were even covering a

lot of the 1950s rockabilly and you know early

rock songs Yeah Yeah, rockabilly and and punk.

I think there's even like a style of punk now

called like punk ability or something like that.

Yeah They're very close in style There's pretty

much punk everything nowadays. Oh yeah. If my

friend Peter says to show me anything. Yeah.

Well with me, like a lot of these bands that

you guys are bringing up, like I've heard of,

like obviously I know who Pink Floyd is, you

know, but... You better. Shut up. But see the

thing is, I know of them, but I know what I've

heard from like growing up in the 80s. Had no

idea they originally formed in 1963. Yeah, Pink

Floyd is an old band and people don't know that

Their first album the Piper at the gates of dawn

was one of the most influential Like psychedelic

albums of the late 60s, I think it came out in

like 66 67 around the same and People sort of

forget that era. I mean they had a different

lead singer back then Most of the band was different

people So is it they sort of evolved and then

became what what people remember from from the

mid 70s? The recording output of Pink Floyd by

the time they started recording albums was Roger

Waters Richard white Nick Nick Mason and then

you had probably can think of the guys poor guy's

name Dave Gilmore know that the first singer

and guitarist Oh, I know who you're talking about.

I'm looking it up on Wikipedia right now, but

You know the other thing for the 70s At least

as far as I know is this was really where you

know after Woodstock, you know Concerts really

started hitting you know we mentioned earlier

in the episode about for the most part It's it

was artists and bands focusing on albums or focusing

on single making And I don't think it wasn't

until late 60s and all the way into the 70s where,

okay, we've made an album, we need to go promote

this album, let's go on a live tour. And touring

just became a huge, huge thing in the 70s. And

touring... Yeah, and it was becoming more expensive

as well because you had Arena Rock and... uh...

like glam rock especially with with like kiss

and david bowie and stuff that we're putting

on these huge elaborate productions and i wasn't

even so much alive shows it was like a alive

like stage performance all trust me when we get

to the nineties were to talk about live stage

performances there's one guy in music that puts

on probably the single most expensive live performance

for a solo artist ever Justin Bieber? Alice Cooper?

Dave, you're off the show. Fuck you, Dave. No,

I'm just kidding. Justin Bieber was only in diapers

in the 90s. Or, well, maybe. I don't know. Anyway.

Actually, Mike, to touch upon something you said,

I mean, really in the 70s is when concerts went

from being shows to becoming events. We were

talking about Pink Floyd, the person I was thinking

of was Sid Barrett. The little known fact is

that Sid Barrett, Piper at the Gates of Dawn

was really the only album he appeared on playing

and singing. Shortly thereafter is when he had

his issues with schizophrenia develop and David

Gilmore was basically coming in and touching

up his guitar work even though he didn't really

officially join the band until a few years later.

Yeah, yeah, you know and again I I know I'm wrong

for this but Really where I come in on Pink Floyd

is like, you know money and and the wall and

all that I I totally missed out and I'm probably

gonna have to go back and listen to a lot of

those honestly my honestly Mike To be very honest

with you. There's three Pink Floyd albums You

need to own dark side of the moon. Wish you were

here and the wall Yeah, if you want a more complete

Picture you can get metal from 1971 and animals

from 1976 If you want to take that one step back

Before you can go to atomic heart mother that

was like their first number one album from like

1969 it was it was called the I'm sorry Adam

heart mother See I would say if you if you had

three Pink Floyd albums that defined them. Or

maybe four, I don't know. But I think the first

three I would think of is The Piper at the Gates

of Dawn. I think that's honestly one of their

best albums. Dark Side of the Moon, you already

said, and Wish You Were Here is actually my personal

favorite Pink Floyd album. And then I would probably

put The Wall in fourth place. I was thinking

in terms of like what people recognize. The wall

was definitely one of the most popular Pink Floyd

albums that like everyone remembers Also with

Dark Side wish you were here in the wall You

really have the complete story of Sid Barrett

because I mean he was a heavy influence Over

those three records the lyrical content and the

recording I know this is bad, but we must get

to the dark side of the moon where Sentinel is

buried. I wish there was some way to sync that

album with that movie, because that would be

so... Because it would make the movie watch.

Oh, shut up, Dave. It's the best one out of all

three films, but anyway, we're getting started.

Whatever I Guys I actually have to do something.

It's like I need to bring this up because if

I don't I Think some gods will will shine down

upon me, but I need to bring up the band Queen

In my opinion these are my all -time Favorite

band. These are the guys who got me into buying

music. This is The band that said yes, I want

to play guitar because I want to play guitar

like him It means Brian May granted. I the 70s

really wasn't their decade the 1980s were Yes,

I mean see this is a thing. That's that's my

one problem I'm not trying to take away from

what you're bringing up here Chuck That's my

one problem all these artists like Elton John

like Billy Joel like Hall and Oaks like Queen

like Pink Floyd Because I grew up in the 80s

and I heard all of their previous, you know,

famous songs in the 80s, I had always assumed

they were bands and artists of the 80s. I had

no idea that they had started beforehand. Well,

the reason I say Queen is a band of the 80s is

just because in the 1980s is when they basically

took over the world, except America. That's a

discussion for another time. But really, we talk

about, you know, multi -track recording. We talk

about... experimenting in the studio Queen did

that and then some Brian they said you know there

isn't a guitar out there on the market today

Fender Gibson Rickenbacker Burns that captures

the sound that I want I'm gonna go make my own

and he made it and he made his own guitar with

his father I am proud to own a replica of it

that sounds like no other guitar in the world.

We talk about identifiable sounds. You hear him

play guitar, you know it's him. Freddie Mercury.

Freddie Mercury introduced classical piano stylings

into music. He introduced operatic content, even

a little bit before Night at the Opera with Bohemian

Rhapsody. And on top of all that, he was one

of the greatest frontmen in the history of recorded

music. May he rest in peace. May he rest in peace.

Yeah, definitely. And then you also had John

Deacon, who people tend to forget about John

Deacon. He could write a pop song like nobody's

business. Some of the most beloved Queen songs

from the fans are written by John Deacon. And

Roger Taylor, you figure he always played what

I would consider a relatively small kit compared

to like say John Bonham or Cozy Pal. But let

me tell you he made noise in that thing you heard

him he and he could also sing like an angel But

you know going to studio experimentation. I mean

the multi -track Symphonic guitar work that Brian

May did I mean we talked earlier about songs

sounding different in the studio than live. I

mean, if Ryan May wanted to pull off some of

the stuff he did in a studio, he would meet seven

guitar players with him on stage. Yeah. That's

just the layering he would do. And, you know,

I mean, of course, everyone always says not at

the opera. In my opinion, while I will always

say not at the opera is their greatest work.

From that period of time, Queen Two, is my favorite

album of theirs you feature some of the best

guitar playing the song white queen in my opinion

and the opinion of a lot of other fans features

the best brian may guitar work there's a 22nd

guitar interlude where it's like literally like

a symphony of guitars but i mean such a great

album but i assume mostly you you guys would

be more familiar with night at the opera and

like bohemian rhapsody i mean what can you say

Yeah, well, you know what I can say is party

on Wayne party on Garth because honestly but

on it for me and Queen before you know really

where I heard them from was All of their famous

songs like another one bites the dust. We you

know, we will rock you We are the champions Bohemian

Rhapsody. I heard all those in movies or television

and That's how I found out about Queen as you

know as a as a kid well in the early nineties

they signed a deal with hollywood records to

become their american distributors hollywood

records is owned by disney disney started putting

a lot of their stuff their music in disney movies

a lot of them were the um oh god the paulie shore

movies well the mighty ducks movies as well oh

yeah the mighty ducks too but you see with queen

i was introduced to them by wayne's world and

i'm like well this is a great song i want to

hear more and i'm like well wait a minute they

did this and this this band is incredible yeah

and it really was one of those things where i

said it's like you know it's like oh my god go

ahead dave that that happens a lot i find with

music uh a good example for me with that is the

talking heads i think there was i can't remember

why i got into the talking heads really But after

I got into them I started to realize like they

did this song they did that song like I didn't

I didn't realize all the things that had Had

made them popular that I didn't actually know

we're talking head songs and it happens a lot

where you like discover a band That's that's

really popular and you find out all these songs

you've been hearing on the radio all these years

Are by a particular band another same thing with

when I started sitting to cheap trick There's

a lot of big songs by them that was like I didn't

know that was a cheap trick song yeah now we

will definitely when we get to the eighties episode

we will most definitely bring this up but i have

to bring this up here since they really started

in the in the seventies this just a complete

turnaround and and and re -envisioning from jefferson

airplane to jefferson starship i mean seriously

who would have expected you know nothing nothing

will save us or nothing that can what the hell's

name that damn song from mannequin that's gonna

stop us now nothing's gonna thank you nothing's

the who the hell would we imagine a hard rock

group from the nineteen seventies jefferson airplane

switching up to jefferson's starship and and

and putting out nothing nothing's gonna stop

us now i mean and also appearing on the star

wars holiday special well you guys all have to

mention it doesn't exist it was jefferson air

first of all it started out it was white rabbit

Oh, really? Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship,

then Starship. And by the time they were Starship,

the only people I think were left in the band

was Grace Slick and the guy, the singer whose

name I can't remember. He actually got a start

in country, believe it or not. Yeah. He was the

singer for a famous country guitar player. They

had a big hit called Fooled Around and Fell in

Love. And then after that, he left and he started

hanging around with the Jefferson Airplane people,

and that's when they changed it into Jefferson

Starship. Yeah. And see, that's the funniest

thing is the only songs I know from them is what

Starship had done. I don't think... If I've heard

a Jefferson Airplane or a Jefferson Starship

song, I do not remember it. There was a song

called, Don't You Want Somebody to Love? I remember

that, yeah. That's Jefferson Air. That and White

Rabbit are basically like two of the biggest

songs of the 60s. You know, really, what we really

should have done this whole episode is just do

a commentary on Forrest Gump. Because... That

are good fellows. That's what we've been talking

about for the most part. I think Forrest Gump

and Goodfellas are two movies that come to mind

that have Soundtracks that are primarily composed

of nothing but like 60s and 70s music and really

good 60s and 70s music So if you want to get

a good taste of the that era download those two

soundtracks. Yeah And one thing one other band

we should mention it for we're talking about

the Jefferson bands was Jorma Cacolin and Paul

Katner in the uh actually i think in the late

60s and throughout the 70s in and out of starship

they had their own solo band called Hot Tuna

and Jormica Cullen in particular needs to be

mentioned because he is an incredible guitar

player and a lot a lot of times his work was

like underappreciated um he did a lot of guitar

instrumentals acoustic guitar instrumentals that

appeared on the albums um He's a rock guy, but

he's one of these guys that's always is constantly

learning He puts out albums even to today that

are like bluegrass blues Folk music like he'll

he'll find a new genre of music Learn about it

and then go make an album of his music doing

trying to do that style fantastic guitar player

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know the 70s Was

a very unique decade I think that you know the

and this is probably gonna be a running gag throughout

the rest of the spotlight is that Rock and roll

while it's awesome, and we love it in the 70s

disco took over Towards towards the late 70s

for sure But that's why I think that the good

kid part of the 70s is Considered from around

like 1971 to 1977 just before disco took over

Because that's when you had all these all these

seminal works by by great prog rock bands and

everybody You know that then what the crap? Although

although the late 70s was punk really starting

so if yeah people who are fans that's like that's

when like the sex pistols and it gots their start

and stuff like that, so It was really big for

it was big for those two genres punk and and

disco basically go Well, you know what happens

with disco? everybody always wants a something

they could dance to and Guys want music that

will put a girl in the mood to spread the legs

you know you had to go there didn't you you know

let's uh well that's that's basically why blues

music that's one of the main things it was created

for yeah i mean if we can't deny the influence

of sex on rock and roll i mean that's why sex

drugs and rock and roll are like always kind

of packaged together that's what it always comes

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Can I say something about Transformers? No! I

do we are back in before we close out the show

there's one thing we kinda glossed over i'm sure

there's a lot of you know individuals said you

know separate artist bands things that we've

lost over but i think overall in this episode

we really hit on what the sixties in the seventies

music was however one thing we're almost didn't

talk about was the formation of the supergroup

supergroup Yeah, it was kind of a concept that

started in the 70s of bringing together the best

performers of various groups so Kind of an important

topic that we didn't really get to touch on but

I'm sure people have Wikipedia and they can discover

things for themselves Yes, one band that I will

mention that I was think was the first supergroup

and the best supergroup of the 70s Bad Company.

You had members of Free, King Crimson, and Moth

the Hoople coming together producing hard blues

rock that was phenomenal. And they were the second

band signed to Led Zeppelin's Swansong label.

Overall closing thoughts on the 60s and 70s,

Chuck? I think the music that came out of the

60s and 70s set the foundation for the music

for the next 30 years and will be music that

is remembered today and will be remembered 50

years after we're all dead. And that's something

Justin Bieber cannot say. Yeah, exactly. Not

everyone needs to be auto -tuned, god damn it.

Dave, final thoughts on the 60s and 70s? Yeah,

in terms of its influence, it's easily the most

important era for modern rock music, basically

defined all these things that we were talking

about of how do you create a good concert versus

creating a good album versus creating a good

single and they were discovering all these things

during this era and it was an exciting and experimental

time where where people were really finding out

what music was for the first time. And I think

it's an exciting thing for people from nowadays

if they haven't gone back and listened to music

from that era to go back and discover it for

yourself and find out what bands you probably

realize all these different bands that played

songs that you know. Excuse me from either different

artists or just from listening to classic rock

radio or whatever and you had no idea it was

from a particular band and That sometimes will

get you into more of their lesser -known stuff.

So yeah something worth checking out. Yeah, I

do that a lot we have to Which is really weird

to me. We have one actual rock station, 93 .1

the Fox here in Louisville, Kentucky, that is

today's rock, stuff like saliva, nickel back,

stuff like that, blackstone cherry, incubus,

stuff like that. And then we have two classic

rock stations. We have WQMF 95 .7 and WSFR 1077.

They both play the same classic rock and it's

like wow it's like war of the classic rock stations

And I do like listening to both of those every

now and then So yeah, there is that. All right,

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with... David double D Dennis Charles Chuck dog

1999 thank you for listening until next time

Much time you guys have and I don't know how

much time I would expect this would be under

an hour record But I mean we can take a few minutes

to talk so I've got the recorder going now So

if you want if you guys want we can take a few

minutes to talk Just in general so I can get

levels tested Okay Did you guys ever hear about

the time you two did this big show in Ireland?

It was like a big homecoming thing for them.

It was at the big arena there. They just did

a song, Bono goes out, he quiets the audience,

and he starts clapping his hands real slow. And

while he's clapping his hands, he says to the

audience, each time I clap my hand, a child in

Africa dies from AIDS. Someone in the front row

screams out, then stop clapping your hands, you

heartless bastard. That joke actually is - Wait,

what did they yell out? You keep breaking up

on my end. They said, stop clapping your hands,

you heartless bastard. Oh, okay, that's the joke

Davis is Every time he's actually killing the

kids. Yeah. Yeah That joke is actually not mine.

That was actually one of Ronnie James Dio's favorite

jokes Did it did me mentioning you to kind of

remind you of that? Yes After after a beautiful

day, whatever they've done since then I don't

care I think after that album Is kind of where

they dropped off for me As far as YouTube goes

um Yeah, I have a weird perspective on YouTube.

Well. I've listened. I've like a huge YouTube

fan I've listened to all their albums a gazillion

times, and I like each of them differently for

different reasons I'm not a huge fan of all that

you can't leave behind actually My favorites

are I really like their new album actually it

grew on me quite a bit, but obviously the Joshua

tree Octon baby and actually pop I actually kind

of like pop which is widely considered to be

their worst album in the low point of their careers

so For me on YouTube. It's more so I like certain

songs from certain albums. I've never There's

only certain artists that I can actually listen

to a whole album from But U2 has always been

like whatever they're hit like mysterious ways

and you know mysterious, let's say mysterious

ways in the name of love You know evolution,

you know, you know, whatever they're You know,

whatever that's most popular that they've done

is really what I like the best But I've tried

listening to the entire Joshua Tree album. There's

some great songs on that album, but The rest

of it I just don't care for. It's a unique album.

It doesn't really sound like a U2 album. It's

kind of like this country -western thing. I mean,

it was influenced by them actually coming to

America. And the whole point of the album kind

of speaks to America as this promised land to

people from Europe. And then it's weird because

it came out in a period... I guess I'll talk

about this more in the 90s show but it came out

in a period when when like dance dance music

and synth pop was really popular and then in

the early 90s grunge music was coming out and

that's when U2 made their dance slash synth pop

album octong baby you know they kind of like

did the opposite of whatever was popular at the

time so i admire them for that at least my interest

in you to really died off after what was it was

the album called mysterious ways or uh... the

album was called that i would act as a stone

yet because basically my problem is is that you

know from that point on It just sounded so repetitive.

It's like the edge He has one way to play guitar.

He doesn't change it He it's everything sounds

the same. It's like all he he uses way too much

delay and reverb and So basically what you're

saying is the edge got dulled Yeah, very good

Mike very good Mike The thing is he even that's

very true You know he says it in interviews like

he never learned how to play guitar He only knows

how to play the u2 stuff, which was that you

know he had to lay out the delayed Pedals and

stuff like that, and it's just you know over

and over and over And I mean it's very unique.

I mean the way he uses them You know he has a

very unique definitive definite sound that he

says everything if you hear it. You know immediately.

It's him But there's really nothing else to it.

Right now, out of everything that I've listened

to in my 31, almost 32 years of living, there's

only one band that I can listen to every single

song that they've ever done. And there's only

one artist that I can listen to one album. front

-to -back the one artist for front -to -back

album is Stan Bush's dream the dream and The

artist for their entire there the band for their

entire catalog is theory of a dead man Everything

else it's just pick -and -choose Every artist

that I've ever loved it just depends on what

song it is You know you take like Hall and Oates

and you too and You know, Wang Chung and all

that stuff from the 80s. Even a lot of the stuff

from the 90s. The Goo Goo Dolls, all that stuff.

It's always been Pick and Choose off of different

albums. Hell, even Nickelback for as much as

people hate them. I've always loved them. And

still, there's every album that they put out,

there's maybe four songs out of every album that

I just won't listen to from them. Well, I mean

that mic also has to do a lot with how the music

industry changed from basically from the 80s

on You had people writing for a single as opposed

to writing for an album True, you know the type

of music I listen to is very album oriented.

It's you know, they're you know, like one track

will bleed into another track or you know there's

a story to it or a central thought that you have

that, you know, works together. I mean, people,

you know, don't get me wrong, people nowadays

still make those kind of albums, it's just that,

you know, they're not getting airplay. Yeah.

I think a good example is Arcade Fire is still

doing that kind of thing. They're from Canada.

I probably recognize a few of their songs because

they do get played in the States. One of their

songs is used for Where the wild things are when

the trailer for that came out their song my body

is a cage was used for a set movie called the

curious case of Benjamin Button the trailer for

that movie um, but their their albums are very

Album based they have singles, but they're very

much like Like Charles was saying about crafting

a good album and it seems like In like the 50s

and 60s it was very single oriented and then

it kind of went to album rock in 70s and I think

Led Zeppelin had a big part in that and Pink

Floyd and a bunch of other bands and then Album

rock kind of Wilted in the 80s and then in like

the 90s it went back to like singles again. So

Yeah, exactly. It's a very good point. I think

with the 50s and 60s It was really when the option

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