Ghostbusters Action Figure Line and Hot Toys Joker Review

Hey, Tara Strong here, and you're listening to

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there you moved to california i have a transplant

baby i have a cushion oh god i'm such a moron

Post I post that I'm like since I didn't post

the link earlier Here's my video of my updated

fish tank, and then I didn't even put the damn

video I've been I've been seriously running around

crazy all day today It's it's I mean ever since

this morning. I mean I got up at I slept in a

little bit because I was having such a Terrible

terrible night sleeping because fucking what's

Luna does not it's it's hard to sleep with a

kitten Because I move around a lot and if I roll

on her I kill her You know so and Exactly, so

I feel bad. So I mean I'm constantly in a state

where I'm I'll go to bed where I'm in a comfortable

position, but you know usually what you know

through the course of the night I'll You know

moving to something else. You know position wise

where I'm comfortable And you know I'll continue

sleeping like that no problem the problem is

with her. I can't move So it's like I'm perpetually

in a state of like half sleep half awake where

I realize that I'm asleep But I'm uncomfortable

in the position that I'm in and I have to consciously

not move, so I don't get a very Restful sleep,

and it's then don't have her sleep with you.

There's the only it's the only thing that we

can really do because Burger still has not taken

too well to her So I mean the other cats are

perfectly fine Gracie and Louie have no problem

with her at all, but burger is like Terrified

of this little one and a half pound thing who

is currently trying to destroy my extra whiteboards

here play with play with the gray one play with

the gray one you can play with that one but um

so oh god i so dealing with that i woke up this

morning and i i tried to lay down and go back

to sleep and i slept till about nine o 'clock

got up started getting ready and everything then

i had to drive to industry which is just outside

la so it's like 45 minutes away so i could get

the my couple hot toy figures um uh before all

that I I went to Toys R Us and I got I actually

got the uh a Stone Cold Steve Austin figure it's

the uh defining moments Stone Cold I don't know

I don't know Bob if you're familiar with it's

the one where he's wearing the camo jacket yes

sir you know I uh I saw that today and I picked

that up because I'm a Stone Cold Steve Austin

slut did you uh did you get Joker? Yes, I got

Joker sweet. I can't wait to see a good review

of it. Oh, it's I I was playing with it while

I was I was there picking it up and Because the

the guy bought it from had like an extra one

Just hanging out out of the package. I was playing

with it, and it's it's creepy how awesome it

looks Oh, yeah, the accessories are awesome looking

on it from the reviews I saw the only accessory

that I have an issue with really that It doesn't

come with is I would have loved it if he came

with a pair of glasses. Ah, yeah. You know the

scene at the end of the movie where he puts the

money? He's like, you want to hit a guy with

glasses, would you? Yeah. Yeah, but. I would

have loved that. It comes with so much already.

I mean, not having that one accessory is nothing

compared to having a. It's nitpicky, but this

is a hot toy figure. That's $240. But the outfit

is the final battle, so you think he would have

the glasses for that scene, because the outfit

fits that scene. Exactly. I mean, it would make

more sense, but I mean, I'm not too... Alright,

so you're saying you would rather have... Instead

of having a like a second or a third or a fourth

set of hands you want the glasses instead of

a third or fourth Here's the thing here. Look,

okay I understand what you're saying, but put

it this way the Joker and the Batman come with

the same amount of hands But Batman comes with

two additional magnetic faces that Joker doesn't

come with Okay, so you could have put in the

glasses for a figure. That's ten dollars more

than the Batman Yeah, and then they would have

raised the price $20 more probably than what

it are Hey, you guys want glasses guess what

each lens is gonna cost you ten bucks extra additional

I Haven't even opened it yet. I'm on I'm actually

opening it right now Or they can just send you

a pair that's painted to glow in the dark Well,

no, because then it'll be $30 extra, $10 for

each lens, and another $10 for the glow in the

dark action. It'll take eight months to get them

to you. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. Oh, tissue paper.

Get rid of the tissue paper. Oh, man. I got to

admit, I actually did watch Sean's video, well,

part of it, of the Joker. You know, there's some

interesting stuff that he brought up that I do

find it interesting, like the fact that the actual

body has this kind of foam around them to kind

of bulk him up. Yeah, that makes it fat. Yeah,

which is really kind of... That's an interesting

touch. I mean, it's hot toys, so you would expect

them to pay attention to kind of stuff like that,

but... You know, the other thing that kind of

annoyed me was... And I'm trying to remember

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am he he

said that the the Actually, maybe it is that

I don't I don't I don't remember exactly no he

didn't okay The the mask there's a little mask

that the Joker comes with Right the gas mask

the gas mask and Sean said that that was what

he used during the you know The end scene where

you know that they were gassing the public Joker

didn't wear a mask then And he did. That's the

mask that he had when he was at the restaurant

with Vicky Bale that he had inside the package.

That he handed her. I don't think Joker ever

wore a mask. Even at the end when he was gassing

everything. I don't think he wore a mask. He

did. He wore it in the restaurant. He did not

wear it in the restaurant because in the restaurant

the gas was already clear. Yeah, in the restaurant,

it was her that had it. But I think he had it

at the end of the movie because all the henchmen

had him. Yeah, but he's already... I don't know.

I'm gonna look it up. It doesn't fucking matter.

I'm curious. We're not here to talk about that

shit. We're here to talk about the stupid Maddie

Collector Ghostbusters bullshit. I don't give

a shit. You're the one that said you wanted to

rant about it. And you know, I'm not as pissed

off now as I was. Honestly though, I'm assuming

you're recording. He's fucking hours and he's

not even gonna rant about it. No, I'm going to.

I'm assuming you're already recording, so I'll

just get into it. So, you know, to give a little

people backstory, 2012 was supposed to be a subscription

year. for MaddieCollector .com's Ghostbuster

line. It was cancelled before the actual year

started. They cancelled it. There was only announced

four figures. And I can't... Dana Azul, The Rookie

Ghost, and... The Rookie Ghost, which wasn't

even supposed to be one of the figures. That

was supposed to be the subscription figure. Right,

that was supposed to be free for us. Wasn't it

Ray and Marshmallow or whatever? No, no, no,

no. Or was that the year before? That was still

the year before. And there's one more that is

going to be announced apparently at San Diego

Comic Con for later this year. That's going to

come out. Those were the only four figures that

they were going to make for the subscription.

Back before the year turned, you know, to 2012,

they cancelled the line. Um, eventually citing

the fact that there was just not enough sales

for it. Which, to this day still pisses me off

because they kept pushing the DC Infinite whatever,

um, thing up the ass. They kept pushing that

up the ass for people to buy it. And here's the

thing, those figures are, you know, those are

all like new figures and you know, nobody's gotten

them before and everything. Yet, they couldn't

do the same thing for Ghostbusters. Now, whatever.

You know, the Ghostbuster thing, they try - Mattel

basically tried to use the same fucking - Um,

see, now I'm starting to get aggravated again.

They - They started - They - They - They started

using the same fucking mentality with the Ghostbusters

line that they were using with He -Man, and what

they have used with He -Man since the 80s, and

that's reusing parts for things. That works for

only a little bit. After a while, it becomes

obnoxious, and you don't want the - damn figures

anymore you know so once you get like the first

four ghostbusters you don't need a slime version

of it i mean it's just it's just repaint after

repaint and you know that's why i never got a

subscription because i just bought the ones i

wanted and why do i need 14 different figures

of the just different heads and in hindsight

you i mean even let's say hypothetically they

didn't even cancel the subscription you know

i was never all that thrilled about the rookie

ghost anyhow i got it i actually did buy it Uh,

why? I have no fucking idea. Just because, honestly,

just because it's, you know, it's the completionist

in me, I suppose, but that's a waste of a figure.

You know, so, so, so all that, all that happened,

and they cancelled the line, and everybody was

upset. So what Maddie Collector said months ago,

months and months, back like November, or whatever,

whenever they cancelled, I don't remember exactly

when it was. They said that they would you know,

they feel for us. They're sorry There just wasn't

sales blah blah blah the fan base really isn't

there so on and so forth But to show our appreciation

we're gonna give you a special. Thank you Which

they have been dragging out Ever since it was

announced that it was canceled. Yeah, and everybody

and they said a figure they didn't say Well,

they initially said it was gonna be well And

technically, it still kind of is. Well, no, it's

an exception. Well... Kind of, sorta... I mean,

it's... We'll get into that when we announce

what it is. But, one thing that they kept, you

know, they kept teasing and saying it's not going

to be a newly tooled figure. It's not going to

be anything new. There's just, uh... I'm sorry,

Luna's trying to get behind my desk. Don't play

with something. Here, here's a string. Play with

a string. Here's... tissue paper playing that.

Um, you know, they, um, they're like, it's not

going to be a newly tooled figure, we don't have

the money to do newly tooled stuff, which is

why they said that they had to constantly keep

reusing things because the money wasn't there

to warrant newly tooled items. I'm sorry, but

90 % of the He -Man stuff is reused shit. That's

all it is you get a new head every now and then

and you get a new weapon whoop the frickin do

okay? So anyhow always I just I just want to

say this because this is so fucking stupid. They're

like We're sorry, we're not making the real Ghostbuster

cartoon figures because it would be a 100 % new

tool. Are you fucking kidding me? Well, they

didn't want - All you gotta do is - They didn't

want to do that. I know what you're gonna say,

just repaint? All you gotta fucking do is repaint

the goddamn current figures and put new heads

on them. Honestly, I wouldn't want that. Because

- I know, I know. That's not how they should

look. Right, I know. It's about that. Now, Luna,

go. So they constantly kept, you know, dancing

around the subject of what it is, what it is,

we can't announce what it is, it's not ready

yet, blah, blah, blah. Yes, was it yesterday?

A couple days ago. Yesterday, the day before.

At the point of the time that this goes up, it'll

be about a week. Okay. Well, let's just, it was

the 23rd of May, I believe. Yeah. They sent out

an email, they sent out an email, and... Announcing

what the thank you is. The thank you, which has

taken months and months and months and months

and months to do. They couldn't announce it because

it wasn't ready. They could not announce it.

Let me emphasize this enough. They could not

announce it because it wasn't ready. All it is,

is a glow in the dark repaint of Slimer. That's

it. the slimer that came with the san diego comic

con uh... he got on you know was available at

for the first time at single comic con san diego

comic con but that was subsequently added to

many classes website you could buy it that way

or right but what you know and they're like you

know it hasn't been used since two thousand line

two thousand nine which is bullshit because it

was eventually used in the four -pack of the

Ghostbusters 2 repaints that was a Toys R Us

exclusive. Yeah, I was just gonna say it's the

same figure. It's the exact same Slimer, except

this one is glow -in -the -dark. Well, it took

them this long to tell us that? I just posted

the picture that they sent, you know, and it

says it takes 12 to 6 months to develop a toy.

And, so it's taking them that long just to paint

them glow in the dark? It doesn't make any sense.

That's because they're bullshitting us. But they

already have the mold and everything, how hard

is it to get it? There's nothing they have to

do different, except for change the material,

and as long as it's not some white fucking foamy

shit that's gonna turn yellow from piss, it shouldn't

be that complicated to use glow in the dark plastic,

which they've already done. For a couple I mean

if I'm not mistaken there was a stand a stand

that was glow -in -the -dark and Then there was

a the Ghostbuster logo that was like a three

-dimensional logo right yeah the ghost the ghost

or whatever Yeah, exactly the ghost the ghost

for that was uh was glow -in -the -dark So yeah,

it takes months and months and months upwards

to eight months to develop something that they

already have the molding. What's that? 12 to

16. 12 to 16. It actually says I'm out of here.

Oh, okay, I apologize. 12 to 16 months to develop

something, which, okay, now we look at that 12

to 16, so a year, let's just say, let's say,

best case scenario, it's taken a year to develop

this, which I've known, it takes a year to a

year and a half to even develop Transformer toys.

Right. That means they knew... back in May of

2011, that they were gonna cancel this line.

Right. And then in June or July, whenever San

Diego Comic -Con was, they had the push for the

new 2012 subscriptions. That's when they opened

them up at San Diego Comic -Con. Right. So two

months later... And see, that's what doesn't

make any sense to me. That's because it's Maddie

Collector. I know, I know. All right, well, logistics

of Maddie Collector being Maddie Collector aside...

That's what makes no fucking sense to me whatsoever.

They're like, okay, here's what we're gonna do

with DC Universe. We're gonna put all the main

characters that all the kids know in the stores.

So Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman. We're gonna

put all those and all their respective repaints

in the stores for the kids. All of the... collector

quote unquote collector figure or fan figures

we're gonna put in this online club subscription

but we have to reach our quota in order for this

to even happen right they got what 60 percent

right of their quota for subscriptions for dc

universe and they said if it if we don't meet

it it it wasn't that they worded it where oh

if we only get 60 no they said if we do not meet

100 it's not even gonna happen of our sales quote,

it won't fucking happen. Well, guess what? As

you just said, they made the push, the push,

the push, the push, the push. They kept putting

it off, putting it off, putting it off, giving

people more fucking time to decide whether they

wanted to do DCUC or Club Infinite Earth or whatever

the fuck it's called. And then a week after that

shit happened, they're like, oh, hey, guess what?

Ghostbusters fans, we're going to slime ball

you and cancel your first week's subscriptions.

And you're absolutely right. That happened a

week ago. It happened like a week after it. I

posted this on MaddieCollector .com. This is

my honest personal opinion that when this started,

this started in 2010, around then and through

2011, there was a lot of rumor from a certain

Dan Aykroyd that a third movie was going to be

made based... entirely on the success of the

Ghostbuster video game. My opinion is this, that

Mattel was banking on the fact that there was

gonna be a third Ghostbuster movie, they bought

the license, they started producing stuff, thinking

that at some point in time, fairly soon, there

was gonna be a Ghostbuster movie. And now, it's

pretty much killed off, the idea is pretty much

killed off. And... And now, they're canceling

the line. Yeah. Recently, as of about a week

ago as this airs, there was an interview posted

on TFW2005 with Ernie Hudson asking him about

Transformers stuff and how cool it is to work

on Prime and all that stuff. the interviewer,

because it's one of those. And this is why I

do actual voice audio recorded interviews, because

I prefer to actually talk to the person and let

people hear the person's answers versus recording

a phone call and then transcribing and making

people read. I hate written interviews. I just

don't like them. But the transcription said,

Whoever was conducting the interview, I don't

know, I don't have the information in front of

me. I was like, I would be remiss not to ask

this of you since we've got you here. Do you

have any information or anything to pass along

to us about Ghostbusters 3, and are you involved?

Ernie was like, his answer was something to the

effect of, and again, I don't have the interview

in front of me, so I'm just basing this off of

what I read, or my memory of what I read. He

said something in the effect of, I know they're

working on it. I know Dan and everybody really

wants to get it off the ground. As of right now,

I have not been contacted for any involvement

whatsoever, so I really can't give you any insider

information. Sorry. It's not going to happen.

If they're not working on it fine, if they're

not fine, I'm passed. I love Ghostbusters 1 and

2. I always have and I always will. Honestly,

at this point, With all the actors being the

age that they are and wanting to, you know, maintain

some resemblance of continuity and all that stuff,

I prefer there not be a third movie just for

the sake of having a third movie. And I know

Ackeroid and Ramis would do it justice. I'm not

saying that I don't want it because of what the

contents of it might be. I'm just tired of Hollywood

in general. Oh, hey. It's 2012, we need to make

a sequel to a film that came out in 84 or a threequel

or a fourquel or whatever the hell. As long as

it's not a reboot, as long as they don't take

Ghostbusters and reboot it, then I won't care.

That's what all these new movies are. All these

new movies are coming out and they're all reboots,

which pretty much sucks. The fact that Ackroyd

and Harold Ramis, even Ivan Reitman, They all

wanna be involved in this. Ernie Hudson, everybody

wants to get involved. I mean, Jesus, when you're

sitting there and you're talking about icons,

Rick Moranis has even said that he may potentially

come out of retirement to do something with this.

I mean, it's been back and forth with him for

years with it, but I honestly think he would

probably do it. I mean, everybody wants to come

back and do this, with the exception of one person.

And that one person, Bill Murray, is screwing

up the whole thing. I honestly think that's what

it is. Well, it's not even that he's screwing

up the whole thing. He has said he doesn't want

to come back, and that's fine. That's on him.

And there are ways around that. I mean, there

are plenty of ways around that. I mean, I'm sure,

you know... There aren't a lot of ways around

it because the biggest problem is those three

guys own the rights to the movie. So unless Bill

Murray says okay, it's not going to happen. What

I'm saying is not... not so much as the rights

of getting the movie made i'm saying as far as

like story wise for a if a movie was getting

was already a story wise there's a million ways

around that you could write about you could say

hey pizza you know retire the you know whatever

uh... you know Logistically, I don't know but

back to the mani -collector bullshit. I'm sorry.

This is not a thing I think I think I think Bob

wanted to chime in with something Well, no, I

was just gonna say that he said somewhere what

he wanted to come back only if he was dead Yeah,

yeah. Yeah, and then cool. I think he's blowing

smoke up I think they have something in the works,

but they're not talking about it and it's all

like PR, you know, it's like, I think there's

behind the scenes stuff going on that they're

not talking about. It's to get fans like us to

talk about it. Possibly. Possibly. I mean, because

if you follow Dan Aykroyd on Twitter, he actually

went to New York to follow Bill Murray to try

to get him and pin him down to yes or no. And

it was a big thing on Twitter on Dan Aykroyd's

Twitter about finding Bill Murray and confronting

him and making him Yes, I will do the movie and

then nothing was ever said but there was actually

post and stuff I actually you know if you follow

him on Twitter and you can go back through and

look at this But he was actually gonna follow

Bill Murray and to New York and and try to pin

him down So I think there's something going on.

That's very possible. It's very talking about

you know bringing in like you know all the new

guys To like hand the torch over to keep it going.

Yeah You know, there's so many rumors but anyway

back to Maddie like you guys were saying I Got

extremely pissed off yesterday when I saw about

the Dana Barrett And it's not posable at all

the leg you know articulation. No, I didn't know

that because I thought it was a dress I didn't

know it was actually molded to her legs and you

cannot move her legs I didn't know that until

I saw the review for Maddie themselves, you know

little guy Nerd guy standing there trying to

you know show the the video of him, you know

changing out the legs and no there's no articulation

because it would cost too much to make a material

dress so they just molded it on instead of just

giving us one set of legs that you could bend

to have her sit down and that make her stand

up They gave us two sets of legs. Yeah, just

to make the dress better Yeah Yeah Well, why

can't they just make one good set of legs that

actually bend so you can have her sitting and

then have her stand up? You think it'd be more

cost -effective just to make one set of? Posable

legs you would think so, but again, this is Maddie

click, you know, I mean They're like, you know,

this is a whole new tool thing blah blah blah.

It was expensive I'm like I was going to say

cost -effective and matty collector in the same

sentence do not mix Like like back to the slimer

figure on the post They actually says this figure

is still in production and we expect it to ship

an early fourth quarter Yes, it really takes

help to make a toy the cost of shipping your

slimer will be a hundred percent paid for by

us We will send you instructions on how to get

yours, but you know It doesn't say anything about

shipping The shipping is included it is it is

included they're paying they're paying for everything

they're flipping the whole bill on this but I

Mean the only people that are getting it are

people that signed up for it and then had it

cancelled, right? It says it even says they do

not be available anywhere at any time Yeah And

then it's so stupid. How hard is it to get Glow

in the Dark paint and just paint the one you

have already? There's been people on the Matty

forums that are like, you know, this is stupid.

I've already painted mine. Yeah, yeah. You know,

because it really isn't that hard. You could

go down to fucking Michael's, or whatever kind

of stores are out there for you guys. Yeah, you

go to the art store, yeah. Go to the art store

and you can buy Glow in the Dark paint and boom!

Glow in the Dark. What aggravates me is that

this is the fourth Slimer that we've actually

gotten this the first one came out with the San

Diego Comic Con Egon and then subsequently later

on the second one was the four pack or the five

pack if you want to count slimmers, you know

for those busters too then I Don't remember who

it was. I think it was the slimed slimed E or

slimed Peter Yeah, Peter figure came out with

one that had his tongue hanging out. Yeah, and

now we're getting this one So it's it's the same

shit different day with Maddie collector They're

just giving us the same thing even with like

when they when they did the ready to believe

you Egon and that library ghost I'm so stoking

that but no legs and You know ready to believe

you Peter with the the taxi cab ghost. It's only

half a ghost. Yeah It's just like it's a rip.

I can I can kind of stretch my imagination on

the library ghost in a taxi cab goes just because

We didn't really see their legs Yeah, you know

the taxi cab goes you just saw his torso right

I mean you would assume that there's legs down

there or something you know same thing the same

thing with the library ghost I mean when we saw

her before she went all psycho looking you know

she was a full -length Vaporous apparition is

as Ray describes her you know I still I mean

she was still kind of hovering there I didn't

specifically see feet, but you could see like

a long dress and then when she went all psycho

yeah You know then that was a close -up from

you know from the tits up, and that's basically

all it was you know so I can Kind of stretch

my imagination on it and give a little bit of

leeway but not a hell of a lot. They could have

done the other Scaleri brother, you know, instead

of, you know, Slimer, do something, you know,

a ghost or something. That's the rumor that's

out there right now that the fourth figure that

we'll be getting later this year will be the

other Scaleri brother with one of the courtroom

figures. One of the court, you know, I mean,

we've already gotten Courtroom Peter. Well, no,

not even the judge. That would be a whole remember.

That would be a completely new figure. Oh, yeah,

yeah. So it'd just be like Peter Venkman body

with like Egon's head on it or something. Egon's

head and a repainted tie on the body, and they're

going to slap Rey's name on there. Which is still

Walter Peck's body just repainted. Yeah, exactly.

Hi, Luna. The other thing that pisses me off

about how they treated the Ghostbusters line

is they're complaining about not getting enough

subscriptions for shit. But yet, next year, and

Paul and I talked about this briefly in episode

19, of dramatic price increases. Oh, yeah. Yet

you cancel a line that a lot of people, or you

cancel a subscription to a line that a lot of

people still like and still want the figures

for. That's the thing. Well, here's the thing,

though. I mean, I said this way back when. It's

stupid. You're complaining about not getting

money. from this so you cancel something that's

going to lock people into constantly buying these

things from you no matter what so I got the option

to not buy the shit that I didn't want to buy

I didn't want the taxi cab ghost so I didn't

buy that figure now it was gonna I mean I was

gonna have to buy it but didn't have to because

they cancelled it so that takes away guaranteed

sales for them yep It makes no sense, you know

the the the rookie I really didn't want although

I ended up buying it again I still don't know

why I did For the you know for the views you

bought it to get the view I Opened it up. I didn't

even review it. Did you get Vigo? Yeah, I got

Vigo. I got Vigo It's not it's not it's not the

best but it's not terrible What's the Dana? I

mean, it doesn't even look like like so corny

Weaver at all. It looks like Elaine Venice from

Seinfeld Here's the thing that you know, I kind

of learned from actually NECA like for example

wrote their RoboCop figure I was like I messaged

him. I said this this thing looks incredible

You know, can we get a or are we going to get

a? Helmet list version of him in the future because

NECA does a lot of repainting stuff And you know,

you know, the battle damage one is coming out,

or is already out. And I said, will that be helmetless?

Because in the movie, you know, during that whole

scene when he's battle damaged, he's not wearing

his helmet. It's just Murphy that you see. And

they said, no, unfortunately, we don't have the

license for Peter Weller's face. And I'm like,

what are you talking about? Like, it looks like

him. He's like, That's that's because from from

the nose down You we can get away with it Having

to pay a licensing fee right to the Weller Estate

or whatever, you know, um, you know to do it.

It's it's close But not close enough They may

they they might have the the you know, Maddie

collector may have the rights to Dana Barrett

and and Zool Well, it's Dana, but it's not so,

you know but they may not have the licensing

rights from Sigourney Weaver, which then when

it comes down to it, you have to tweak how she

looks, so it's not exactly the same. Same possible

problem with Vigo. The biggest problem, I can't

remember the guy's name, but the guy who played

Vigo is dead. Yeah. So, ah, Luna, I swear to

God, you need to learn how to jump and not claw.

It's a cute little baby though, you're lucky.

Okay, anyway. You know, so that's probably...

I don't know for sure, but that's a definite

possibility. I'm not excusing the fact that the

figure is, you know, it pisses me off that there's

a standing version and there's a sitting version.

I wish they would have just, like you said Bob,

made her articulated to the point where you could

put her in a sitting pose by yourself. Right,

but then the dress isn't... like me and my wife

had a talk about this and if they made a... You

know like a material dress kind of thing almost

like a Barbie doll clothing It wouldn't have

that quality wouldn't have a shine to it. It

probably wouldn't look as good as what it does

now So I can kind of understand why they did

it but it's just they always talk about money

and cost effectiveness and right well, and you

know, it's Their biggest thing is their biggest

thing is they don't their thought like I said,

they had to have gotten this Thinking that the

fan base was going to be bigger Than what it

already I mean they already knew what the fan

base was there was already existing fan base

I honestly think that they expected the fan base

to explode even more because of a potential movie

That ended up never happening, but I think because

of that they're screwed as a collector Okay,

I'd be willing to pay $30 for something. I actually

want You know like the the original ghostbusters

and they're selling it for 20 bucks Yeah, you

know i'd be willing to pay a little bit more

for better Not just repaints and this you know

different handle in the same exact same body

You know if they actually did it right they could

make a lot of money for collectors Right, you

know like the prop replicas. I mean those things

were going crazy Yeah, well they still sell crazy

to the point where They're like $300 for the

trap on eBay because I was just looking at it.

Yeah, but They're apparently a San Diego comic

-con potentially they're going to announce another

prop Which a lot of people are saying is possibly

going to be the goggles Right because there's

no way they're gonna do a pack because that would

be thousands of dollars like no I would absolutely

love and It'll never happen, but I would love

a Geiger meter. I would love one Like what he

was looking for with slime? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah Yeah, right, you know, I would love

I think that's what it's called. It was called

the Geiger meter, wasn't it? Yeah, something

like that. But yeah that that that I would love

that, you know, not necessarily um You know the

goggles I don't know. I guess maybe the goggles

are a little bit more iconic, you know with it

but Don't make me just me personally Cuz Egon

used it and I was always an Egon fan You know

that's that's probably why I like the pke meter

More than the trap aside from the fact that the

trap didn't work when I got mine. That's that

that's a whole nother story, but You know, but

yeah, there's there's no way that they're gonna

do a proton pack if they did that thing is gonna

cost 500 bucks And then it probably wouldn't

work anyway because they didn't, you know, they

just rushed it and didn't product test it. Very

possible. I mean, they're doing the hoverboard

from Back to the Future, which I have one of

them pre -ordered. I'm excited about. Their props

typically look pretty good. I mean, they're not

terrible, but. They look good, but at least in

my own opinion, just seeing like your videos

and Pia's videos and everybody's videos who buys

these prop replicas in hand. Cuz you and I went

through that whole thing, shittin' thing with

the ghost trap. In hand, I'm sorry. Those prop

replicas in hand suck. In my opinion. They just

do. Well, for the price, for the price, it's

definitely... Yeah. They're definitely way overpriced.

When I got the PKE meter from you, Paul, it's

amazing. I love it. Oh, I did. I mean, PKE meter,

I think, was an absolute home run. Oh, yeah.

The trap, the trap... It looks like a pile. I

wouldn't pay almost, you know, 150 bucks for

that. Yeah, it's it's it's I mean to me I don't

see why it's I mean I could probably justify

the price that the pke meter was You know for

the trap, but you know the hundred fifty dollars

or whatever was just it was a little bit too

much I think I mean I don't know I like it, but

you know I'm so so so put off because of the

problems that I personally had with it. It's

so hard for me to - It was $130 new. Okay. So

I just went to their website. Um, but like -

like the - the - the freakin' Stay Puft Marshmallow

Man, I mean, how - they have chemists and stuff

there. They're a big corporation. They wouldn't

know that putting white foam in this kind of

paint would turn it yellow. I mean, isn't that

their job? Here's - here's the thing. Their -

their explanation for that was that they used

a chemical in it that - Again yeah, it's it's

it's hilarious because you're like what if they

have people that you would think so that That

you would think that they would have some kind

of chemical person that would be like um This

particular substance when it interacts with air

Causes it to turn yellow you think yeah, you

would think but no You know that that's that's

that's the other Maddie collector debacle that's

going on that You know if you got if you got

the the staple of marshmallow man And realistically

any way that you bought it There there's a there's

something for you Yeah, I bought it on ebay.

I bought it on ebay I could very well just claim

that I bought it at san diego comic -con in person

Because the other ways to do it is if you ordered

it off the website after san diego comic -con

Then you go in Or the customer service guy will

go in and find your order number boom there you

go you get you get your refund or You could have

pre -ordered it to pick up at San Diego comic

-con and Not risk it potentially selling out

That would also have an item number attached

to it now After all those were already sold whatever

extra that they had they sold to the general

public at the convention itself So I could always

just claim that I went in there after the sale

at at San Diego Bought it in person. I you know

anybody could really do that now. I would not

get the same amount that I paid for it But I

would get reimbursed something the my biggest

problem that I have with the whole thing is They

already have the mold. Again, they already have

the mold for the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Which

is where all the cost is. Yeah. Make a new one

without the fucked up material that you used

before, and sell it again. I'd buy it, I would

send mine back, and I would buy a new one. Has

the yelling gotten a lot worse since the last

video you showed? It has. Yeah, it has. It's

not even direct sunlight, right? Oh, no. It has

nothing to do with sunlight, Bob. It's air. Oh,

okay. One of the chemical substances used in

the foam for it, when it interacts with air,

causes the yellowing effect. That's what they

actually discovered. So unless you keep it in

a vacuum, and I don't mean like a Hoover, I mean

like in the vacuum of space, you are screwed.

It's gonna turn yellow at some point in time.

Now, some people's is worse than others, and

things of that nature, for whatever reason, I

don't know. But, um, you know, everyone's like,

you know, I'm gonna return it, you know, because,

what's the point? You know, at some point in

time, it's gonna keep disintegrating, and then

it's just gonna crumble. Well, yeah, so that's

why, is it, like, starting to harden up any?

Or is it still that squishy? I mean, can you

tell the difference? I honestly do not bother

touching it. Ever since it went up onto that

display shelf that I have up there with all my

Ghostbusters stuff, I pulled it down once. And

that was a couple weeks ago when the neighbor

kids, my next door neighbors, two boys came over

and they were playing in my room because I'm

the coolest adult they know. They came in and

one of them actually is like nine years old and

loves Ghostbusters. Fucking kid was quoting stuff

from the Ghostbusters that I forgot about. He

saw the Ghostbusters thing, loved it. I pulled

down StavePuff and I was looking at it and honestly,

I don't remember. Nothing, you only pulled down

StavePuff. What's that? Just nothing. Go ahead.

I was making a bad joke. Right after that, I

put it right back. So I have no idea how the

foam is lasting in it or whatever. I'm sure that

at some point in time, it will disintegrate.

So I could send it back and I could get a refund

for it. Then I don't have a, you know, however

big, I don't even remember how big it is. It's

22 inches tall. Then I want to have a 22 -inch

Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in my display. Would

you have to return the display, the background,

or is it just the figure? The background, the

diorama, all that stuff, as a thank you, Maddie

Collector has said that we only have to send

back the actual figure. The diorama and all that

stuff that came with it, we get to keep. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. I wish someone like NECA

or Helly... NECA had! NECA had them! I know NECA

had it, but what I'm saying is now at this point,

since Mattel has all but fucking abandoned the

shit, I wish NECA would just swoop in, pay them

god knows how much money for the damn license

or whatever, and just actually do decent fucking

figures. Yeah, and instead of selling like, you

know Egon with the stack of books that are only

like waist -high to him instead of You know taller

than he is a couple more books on that, you know

mold Yeah, it was funny. I was I was looking

on the the Maddie collector form I was going

through and people were bouncing around their

different ideas about what their thank you would

be and the Louis Tully figure Came with a jar

of popcorn. They were actually saying that it

would be cool if that jar was just simply repainted

or something was put in it to replicate the mood

slime from Ghostbusters 2. And I was like, you

know what? If they did that, I would actually

be happy with that. Yeah, that would have been

cool. Because that would have been something

totally new as opposed, you know, and I mean,

well, not totally new. I mean, obviously it would

have been a reuse of something, but... It would

have been more just survival. It would have made

more sense, I mean, because, obviously, that

jar of mood slime in the courtroom scene in Ghostbusters

2, that was in a jar. It would have made more

sense. And it would have been a hell of a lot

smaller, and it would have been the size of a

quarter, or a 50 -cent piece. I mean, it would

be smaller than Slimer, but I would like it a

hell of a lot more than a glow -in -the -dark

Slimer. to which I already have, like I said,

three other Slimers. Yeah. Or, I know this will

never happen, but or, you could have a big Hasbro,

Mattel, Transformers, Ghostbusters crossover,

and take Revenge of the Fallen Ejector and pump

slime into him. The fucking toaster transformer.

That'd be fine. I mean, that's what happened.

People have talked about, you know, the potential,

you know, toaster. But again, that would have

had to have been something completely new. Yeah,

something completely new. And they're not going

to do new shit because they're done with the

fucking line. Exactly. I have a question, Paul.

Yes, sir. On the national state puff, is it the

body and the head or is it just the arms and

the legs? Looking at it right now. Because I'm

reading here where it says that And no one seems

to have the body or head. Yeah, the head and

the body seem okay. But that's where the paint

is. Right? Like his tie and stuff? Right. Isn't

that what they painted? Or is it the white paint

on the... You know what I'm saying? It's like

the chemical, the yelling was the chemical reaction,

right? Yeah, it was the chemical reaction of

the foam. On the paint. the paint or the foam?

I don't really think it's all... No, it's not...

The white's not painted. The white's not painted.

It's on... Imagine if it's on... Like your shoulder,

Bob. Right. The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is

all white when it's produced and then it's hand

painted. Well, I was just trying to figure out

what parts were actually yellowing because it's

like... People are here saying that the body

and the head... haven't yellowed yet it's like

the arms and the legs yeah it's the arms and

the legs where there are no paint taps yeah so

there's no additional paint tap that's why i

don't understand why it's a chemical reaction

if where the paint actually is because the chemical

they used to create no mike i know what bob's

saying do you know what i'm saying it's like

where the paint actually is the same chemical

the same chemical was used on the rest of the

body so why is the body and the head not yellowing

and only the arms The materials are the same

in theory. The same materials were used to create

the mold for the head, the legs, arms, body,

all that stuff. But for some reason the body

and the head aren't having the same adverse effects

that the arms and legs are having. Where the

actual paint is... It's not yellowing, but the

legs where there's no additional paint, it's

just the white foam is oxidizing or whatever

you want to call it from there. Right. I don't

know. I have no idea. It just makes sense why

the head and where all the paint apps are isn't

turning yellow. It's where the paint isn't is

where it's turning yellow. You would think it

would be like a uniform thing. Right. Yeah, but

this is what this is what this is what confused

me like when I first noticed this I was looking

at it, and I'm like it's yellowing at first I

thought it was maybe some light But I'm like

but the backs the backs of my legs on my figure

started yellowing first I'm like that doesn't

make any sense because he's inside the diorama

There's no light on the back of his legs. It's

it's it's it's it's shadowed basically because

of the way you know, the boxes, because the box

is pretty deep and the figure is inside it. So

the back of them stays in a shadow area, and

it's not, you know, completely... So I'm like,

why the hell is it yellowing back here? You know,

so I'm like, that's when I initially was like,

there's no way that this is caused by sunlight.

You know, and then people were like, maybe it's

from the humidity, where do you live? I'm like,

I live in Southern California, it doesn't get

that humid down here. You know I mean maybe they

had a Lewis Tully wannabes just piss all over

all the toys before they sold them Honestly,

you know I mean part of it is you know I don't

want to get rid of it because like I said I love

having a big giant stay pup marshmallow man there

No other state pups have been even close to the

right size To look good in my it you know for

my in my opinion There have been stuff that you've

had to settle for but you know this I like I

like those scale of this one, but You know and

I've kind of just Written it off is he's a roasted

marshmallow man That's how that's how I kind

of look at it. I wonder if you could repeat it

that Could you paint the yellow like to repaint

it white you could but again the one of the biggest

problem and somebody mentioned this by painting

it you would create a hard outer surface and

on the inside It you know it would still be foam

and it would still be good. You know possibly

degrading And at some point in time, you may

just have nothing but a pile of dust on the inside

of a painted shell. Yep. You know, that if you

touched it, it could crumble. I mean, I don't

know. Oh. Another thank you, Matty, while we're

on this. Your Glow in the Dark Ghostbuster Slimer

thank you gift will come in a poly bag. Yes.

Yeah, they're not going to be packaging. So it's

going to get broken, transport, you know, the

arm's going to break off or something. Probably

because so what Bob meant to say there was another

fuck you Maddie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh God Yeah,

I think after this being the 20th episode of

team bottomless I think we just need to find

other topics and not keep going like this can't

be the podcast that is the weekly Maddie bitching

session because Anything that company does is

gonna make us pissed Nothing that they do whether

it's a dramatic price hike whether it's you know

Mechaneck looks great looks cool looks awesome,

but Anything that that company does essentially

either Paul or myself cuz Bob not so much Bob

only cares about Ghostbusters It pisses me. I

just don't have room to buy them, right? There's

no way I could I could get into that even though

I watch all the reviews that everybody do right

I'm just a fan from afar Yeah, well, the thing

is, it's like, anything that that, you know,

every piece of news that has come out of that

company since I started noticing them back in

2009 has just been, what the fuck is wrong with

you people? That's the first, any time I read

a piece of news that has anything to do with

Mattel, it's like, what is wrong with you? Ugh,

God, I don't know. It's impossible to figure

it out. Yeah, it's one of those never - Conundrums,

I'm but I'm annoyed because I actually watched

pixel Dan's review of metron with the Mobius

chair And I actually really want that and the

only way that you can get that is if you are

a clubby turn love or club Well, I'm sure it'll

be on eBay eventually. Yeah, and I'm gonna pay

twice I Have a question. What's up with Maddie?

How comes there WWE? Figures aren't going up

in price. They're still the same They must have

a bigger fan base that they can do that No, because

they're still 20 bucks. Yeah But yeah, but see

the thing is the reason why the the dramatic

price hike for Masters is because according to

toy guru this year The four horsemen who sculpt

the figures are putting twenty two dollars worth

of paint apps into the figures So next year depending

on what? Yeah Wish that was somebody going over

to Maddie to see what the hell is wrong with

those people. But anyway, um, I think Paul I

could bloom up Maddie click Mattel's home base

is right here in El Segundo, California and that's

45 minutes from where I live. Yeah, did you ever

get that straight now with all your phone calls

and all that about your trap? No We never bother

doing anything. No, they there was there was

three or four different times. I called Right,

you got a peep or a boo or whatever. Yeah, I'll

be but I'll be da ba da ba da Every single well

the first time I was you know, you know If you

don't hear from us and you know, we call us back

Called back and they're like there's no record

of this of you of you actually calling us, right?

Like are you serious? Because I've waited a week

And now there's no record of me even calling

you a week ago. And they're like, no. So they're

like, OK, well, we'll have to create a ticket

for it. And I'm like, OK, fine. Do that. Call

back in a week. Because they're like, if you

don't hear from us in a week, call us back. Call

them back. When I called them back, they were

stupid again. And I was like, listen, it's coming

to the point where if I want a refund on this,

I won't be able to get one because you guys keep

telling me to call back and blah, blah, blah,

and it keeps pushing this off. And my refund

is only available from the date of purchase.

It's like a 30 -day money -back refund or something

like that. Right, right. And I'm like, it's coming

up to the time where I'm not going to be able

to get that from you. Yeah. And then the final

straw in the whole thing was they're like, oh,

well, do you just want a new one? And he's like,

sure. Okay, well ship us the defective one and

we'll ship you a new one And then and but he

was like, wait a second. So I have to pay Shipping

to ship a defective product back to you went

all over their fucking website It says if you

have a defective product, we'll take care of

the shipping right specifically Digital River

specifically told him you have to pay for shipping

to the ship back the defective product Which

is so fucking stupid. Yes that was the end of

it really and that's really why you never heard

anything else about Paul's ghost trap because

he said fuck it I'll just keep the damn thing

and he eventually fixed it I had to open it up

myself and I found what was wrong with it the

gears weren't lined up properly and one of the

wires it comes in two halves so when they put

you know the bottom half and they to put the

top half on top of it, there was a wire that

was not in the correct position and they actually

half severed one of the wires that was going

down. So I had to replace that. I lined up the

gears and now it actually works. You know, but

it was a gigantic pain. I mean, Mike was there

with me when I was trying to fight with the damn

thing. You know, it was it was a gigantic pain

and I was like, there is no reason why I should

have to do this. Right, you know, so ridiculous.

Yeah, you know Hasbro may have their issues But

Mattel has way more issues. Yeah It's not even

Mattel. It's Maddie collector. I know it's bad.

It's like there's a completely separate division

It's still a division of Mattel though. It's

a division But it's like managed by monkeys or

something. Well, yeah for collector figures.

I mean They should think about how Collectors

think you know what what they want not just slapping

crap together Because like looking at it if you

look at their if you go online and look at the

Dark Knight stuff that they had out the two -faced

Figures and stuff. It's the same body as Peck

from Ghostbusters. Yeah, it's just different

head. It's the exact same body Yeah, so it's

not like they had to go and retool and make a

whole new body. They just used the generic body

that they used on they're batman stuff right

right and it's the same figure as the the thug

you know figure it's the same body right not

exactly i'm so glad i'm on a toy collecting uh

it's horrible well i love i love but they make

it hard do you give it credit for the voltron

ones the the lions that they're coming out with

did i do what with them do you got to give them

credit for that are they doing okay with it Mean,

you know $65 for the black lion I can understand

because it's bigger. It's huge. I mean, yeah,

and the whole thing is gigantic Yeah, but like

you were saying like in your view with the legs

not working, right? You know, it's kind of back

ass words, you know pushing the button to get

it into Line form and not into leg form, right?

It's it's ass backwards. I give them credit for

Coming up with something Guess you know as an

as a collectible figure you know an adult collector

line. I really think that these should Replicate

what the masterpiece Voltron did years ago? You

know with the chrome paint and the painted details,

and you know the super articulation things that

things of that nature you know It you know well,

and I'm probably going to mention this in the

next video in in June June 15th or something

like that the green lion comes out and The green

and red I see is being pretty pretty much the

same the yellow and the blue I think are much

better than the red and the green line Just the

gimmick is not as bad because it forms a different

part of the body I guess but you know and and

I'm gonna mention this in the green lion video

that That you put a gimmick into a figure that

The original vintage line never had. Yeah. You

know, Maddie Collector, you know, Hypes Up, you

know, all these things. They don't put gimmicks

in any of their other figures. You know, they

refuse to do it with the Masters of the Universe

stuff. So... Oh, no, there's gimmicks. Well...

But they're true to what the old toys used to

be. I'm sorry, not action gimmicks. Right, right.

Not action gimmicks, which is what this is. You

know... For an adult collector, this is something

that shouldn't have that kind of gimmick because

like I said the vintage figure did not have it

We're not you know, we're not Remembering the

the cool transformation auto gimmick that the

1980 Voltron toys had It's it's not in existence.

So it's stupid to put it in here. You should

not have that You should just put more detail

more paint applications get somebody who actually

knows apply stickers correctly and not crooked

and Make a better figure. That's more articulated

Yeah, especially at that price because yeah for

almost $300. I mean you're looking at what 55

50 50 55 65, you know, you're looking at you

know 250 bucks now the $65 figure that does I

can understand black lion $15 of it goes towards

the three three -quarter inch figure that comes

with them You know that that's you know that

that's included in there So really you're only

paying $50 for the line, and that's the you know

so you got to subtract $15 off of all of these

Because so it's like $45 $55 or with no 35 35

45 And then 50 I think How the actual lions break

down and then you add their pilots with them

and that bumps the price $15 initially when it

was first reported or when you first signed up

for the club Voltron the You you were signing

up for two different things. You're signing up

for the Voltron figures and the the the Lions,

you know, you're signing up for the the the pilots

and the lines They were two separate things.

You were gonna have to pay separately for them

They I like the fact that they included it because

knowing them and how they screw up fucking shipping

and things of that nature You know, it's it's

conceivably possible that you'd be paying shipping

twice Yeah, you get the line in those the figure

would be in Canada or somewhere or in New Mexico

and then coming back to you probably Alright,

well, I think we've bitched long enough about

Mattel and Maddie collector Yeah, hopefully this

is the last time we have to talk about this fucking

company because I'm sorry this company The only

thing that they actually do decent and handle

correctly is Barbie Everything else they always

fuck it up and that's that's Mattel though. That's

not Maddie collector It's all fucked up. That's

that's the point. It's all fucked up. Well Mattel

handles Hot Wheels Hot Wheels Barbie and cars

and cars. No, Matty Collector takes care of that,

too. But no, like the cars that you buy in store,

it's Mattel. Well, right. Yeah, that's true.

Well, I'm trying to find my stuff. There's also

car stuff on Matty Collector, though, as well.

The only thing that's not a part of MattyCollector

.com is Barbie. That's the only thing that's

not a part of that website. Everything else that

Mattel does is a part of that website. Well,

not hospitals, though. Hot Wheels isn't on Matty

Collector Whatever anyway Whatever there's no

whatever involved whatever anyway. It's it's

fucking late, so That's gonna do it for the 20th

episode. We will Probably see you next week.

I don't know yet. I haven't decided so well talk

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