On Originality in Film and Black Sea Review

Hey, Tara Strong here and you're listening to

the Geek Cast Radio Network. Today on episode

60 of the Cinema Geeks, we talk about the long

awaited casting of Spider -Man. We talk about

what's next for Vin Diesel, Michael Keaton, and

Ben Affleck. We give you our thoughts on Inside

Out, Black Sea, Shame, and the original Mission

Impossible. And in our main attraction, we discuss

the idea of originality when it comes to films.

All that and more coming up on episode 60 with

the Cinema Geeks. That's right, it's another

episode of The Cinema Geeks. I am one of your

hosts, Optimus Solo, and with me to my left,

literally, is Amanda. Hello. What's up? An energetic

what's up. And I don't know what... side he's

on of me because he's in the interweb somewhere

but uh... also with us of course is mover of

all dan hello hello i want to get with upper

left upper left i hear that sometimes on podcasts

where they're like into my left and to my right

or into you know and i'm always like are they

really are they just making that up yeah i'm

like what is going on alright so uh... just real

quick as a way of introduction how's your week

been going dan Ah, it's decently okay. I've been

kind of fighting off a cold that's been traveling

around my my Hummel bowl for the last week or

so. So if I start coughing or, you know, my noise,

my voice drops out, I apologize. But hopefully

my trusty water will will serve me and we'll

get through this together. We'll just blame it

on Skype and or bad editing on my part. Yeah,

that's I'm all about blaming it on you. So sure.

All right, Amanda, how's your week been going?

Uh, pretty, pretty uneventful. And Dan, maybe

if you were drinking something a little harder

than water, and clear your throat out a little

bit, you should just take notes. See, they usually

get the opposite effect, though, on me. Like,

it dries out my throat, then it's, yeah. Right.

Just keep drinking. You can't have a dried -out

throat when these liquids continue to go. If

they're dehydrating liquids. Just get an IV just

right down my throat. Ouch. I'm okay with that.

I'm not. I don't want that. Sounds terrible.

Yeah, my week's been pretty uneventful as well.

Just a standard old week, I guess, here in the

summer months. Nothing exciting, nothing eventful.

I'm carless. You're not carless. I own no car

currently. I'm waiting. I'm waiting to get insurance

money and to make a decision on what I'm gonna

do But in order to get the insurance money first

I have to actually find the title for my car

Which I have not needed in the last 15 years

that I've owned the car. So I've only moved about

seven times from You know college department

to college dorm to college apartment to other

apartment to house to back home Etc and I have

no idea where it is in the nonsense. So I Guess

I have to locate that Because I found out if

you don't have it, that it literally cost you,

at least in the great state of Illinois here,

approximately about $100 to get a duplicate title.

Yeah. Unless you should just make one on PowerPoint.

Not PowerPoint. I was going to say, if I could

just make one and pass it off for it, it would

be a lot cheaper. I'm sure the technology is

out there on some type of website. Sure. Interwebs.

All right, as we do every week, we'll get into

the box office first. And before we can look

at our predictions for next week, we've got to

go over what happened last week and what our

predictions were. Amanda, your prediction last

week, which I gave you a hard time. Well, I didn't

give you a hard time. I thought it was a pretty

impressive... I thought you were going out on

a limb. Your prediction was that Jurassic World

would remain at number one and that Inside Out

would finish at number two. And it did, like

a boss. You nailed it. So Jurassic World was

number one, and Inside Out was number two. Dan,

we both went the same route, almost, and that

was predicting the amount that Inside Out would

do. I said it was gonna make over 70 million.

You countered that with saying that it was gonna

beat Toy Story 3's opening, which was 110 or

112. Yeah, well maybe a little bit too ambitious

there, so. And so I conceded that if it did do

that, that I would take the loss, but luckily...

I don't have to do that, so it was in between

the 70 and what you were hoping for with the

110. Yeah, yeah, so, eh, you know, what are you

gonna do? And it's notable because it's the first

Pixar movie not to debut at number one, so...

breaks a pretty incredible streak. I'm more surprised

that Cars Day 2 debuted at number one than Inside

Out didn't make number one, but. Yeah. Yeah,

that is surprising. Although we should have made

some type of weird, like whoever was closest,

like me was 70 and you with 110 because it's

literally right in the middle. It's 20 above

me and 20 below you. So if you do prices right,

Jules, I would lose that, right? I went over.

Yeah, you went over. You can't go over for some

reason. Going over is worse than going under.

I never quite got that, but. And it also set

some other type of record I believe Inside Out

was something about, I'm gonna get this wrong,

but I believe it was one of the highest openings

for a non -franchise or sequel or remake or whatever

term they used. It was up in the, it was either

the highest or like the second or third highest

ever for a non -franchise film. For an opening,

something like that. The internet, the listeners

can correct me with. the erroneous claim I just

made, but it made some type of record for a non

-franchise film. I don't know exactly what it

was. It had to be something about opening weekend,

I would assume, or maybe it was just the first

day or something, I don't know. But rounding

out the top five, like I said, we had Jurassic

World at number one with another 106 million.

We had Inside Out at number two with 90, and

then the big drop down to number three, which

was Spy at 11 million. San Andreas with another

eight million and running up for top five was

another newcomer and that would be dope Finishing

with a strong finish for number five with six

just over six million Dan start with you any

surprises anything stand out about the box offices

last weekend for you No, just besides inside

out at number two. Everything else is pretty

straightforward Yeah, what about you Amanda anything?

No, I think it's basically what I thought I'd

be Yeah, I think, I was surprised, like Dan,

I thought Inside Out would be number one, and

Jurassic World would be a close second. So, Amanda,

you were the knowledgeable one with that, I guess.

I'm somewhat surprised that Dope opened that

well, but maybe it was, I guess it was in more,

it was a wider release than I thought it was

gonna be, because it was in nearly 2 ,000 theaters.

I didn't realize it was getting quite that wide

of a release. And we'll probably look at the

year results next week, because we'll have some

moving and shaking amongst the top five for the

actual year, because there will be a new number

one by the time we talk next week, I believe.

Yep. And that might have been someone's prediction

there now. I know, I didn't want to say that

real quick. I was like, maybe I shouldn't say

that. But if someone's predicting that... I think

it's pretty obvious. Yeah, I'm gonna take points

away for picking the obvious. Dan, let's start

with you. What is your prediction for next week?

We have the, as far as new films, the main two

are Max and Ted II, I believe, were the main

ones that I saw. But between those and what's

already out, what are you predicting for next

week? I will predict, I will maybe steal Amanda's

prediction from last week and say Trash The Quilt.

still maintains number one and beats Ted and

Max and That it you know stays within say 90

million dollars or so maybe 80 million dollars

next week Don't qualify too much. Yeah, I know

I'm just saying my prediction is that it's number

one All right. Sounds good. So a third third

week in a row for Jurassic World at the top for

Dan I'm gonna go next because he was somewhat

stealing your prediction from last week. I'm

gonna steal Dan's prediction from two weeks ago,

and that would be that Cinderella finally does

cross 200 million. I know that's kind of cheap

since you predicted it a couple weeks ago, but

it needs just about the same that it did this

last weekend and it should be able to get it.

Would I get like a proactive since I said a while

ago that I would just get them? And I get an

asterisk next to mine or something like that

that says actually Dan assisted in this point

for Kevin. Amanda, what about you? What's your

prediction for next week? I'm gonna go out on

a little bit of a limb, but I'm gonna keep Jurassic

World at number one, Ted debut at number two

to drop Inside Out now to number three, bring

Max up at number four, and Spy's gonna stay at

five here. You're gonna try for the five in a

row again? I'm gonna try it, yeah. So we got

Jurassic World, Ted two, Inside Out, Max, and

Spy. Yeah, I'm gonna hold it at that. I don't

know how close it's gonna come, but I have a

feeling, and I'm gonna go with my feeling. Alright

brave prediction from Amanda alright up next

is the news for this past week in movies And

we will start with something I maybe we've reported

about this and I've completely forgot about it

But I feel like this is the first time I've heard

it, but but maybe not Kojak film Moving forward

and the idea here is that there's going to be

a film based on the detective TV series Kojak

which starred Telly Savalas and The new star

for the new film would be none other than Vin

Diesel. Dan, thumbs up or thumbs down? I never

watched Kojak, to be honest with you. I don't

know if I can take Vin Diesel in a role that's

not Fast and Furious, so I'll go with thumbs

up. I watched Kojak a tiny bit, not as much as

Perry Mason or Columbo or some of those other

ones, but I did see it enough and I just don't...

Yes, Vin Diesel is bald, but I don't believe

that's enough to say that he's the perfect casting

for Telly Savalas. I don't know. I just don't

see him having the same type of personality or

characteristic that made Kojak what it was, so

I am also going to go with a thumbs down. But,

Amanda, are you going to go three for three or

are you going to buck the trend here? What do

you think? Well, I'm not too familiar with Kojak.

I've heard of it. But I get it mixed up with

Kujo. I was like, Vin Diesel's gonna have a dog.

It's gonna be a killer dog. And then I'm reading

further. I'm like, oh, OK. Wrong. But I can dig

it. I mean, just the description of the venture,

I feel like it's definitely up in Diesel's alley.

And I can dig it. I'm gonna give it a thumbs

up. All right. Minus the dog, but thumbs up.

Alright, so one thumbs up for the Kojak film,

two thumbs down. Moving on to the next headline,

we have Hugh Jackman's Wolverine to return in

X -Men Apocalypse. Dan, thumbs up or thumbs down

for Wolverine being present in the next X -Men

film as well. Alright, if that gets me points,

I want to go with thumbs up, so definitely. I

think, to you, I think... The X -Men movies are

better with Hugh Jacksman in them for sure. So

and I'd like to see kind of what happens after

the last movie with Wolverine and kind of figuring

out how they're gonna try to retcon all what

happened. So I'll go thumbs up. What about you

Amanda? I'm definitely giving the thumbs up.

I know that in the article it said that he might

just be popping up as a cameo something small

but Also, I'm gonna quote the article saying

that some Wolverine is better than none at all

I'm totally digging whatever they put in there

for the Wolverine character And it looks like

this was a huge f -up By the leather company

that was involved in this because they took it

down right away the announcement I don't think

they were, I don't think when you're contracted

by a studio to do something for them that you're

probably supposed to go tell anybody about it.

I feel like they should have made them sign a

gag order then if it was that. I feel like that's

the last thing that they get to do for, no one's

gonna trust them now. You're gonna let our secrets

out. You've been holding it in, go ahead and

blab it out, idiots. I don't know, is it a surprise

that Hugh Jackman's gonna be in this film? Not

really. Maybe I'm the one living in a box or

something, but I guess I never... considered

the thought that there was going to be an X -Men

film where he wasn't involved. I mean, I know

he said he was only going to do so many more

films or whatever it is, and that character is

going to be retired as far as he's concerned,

but I just figure every X -Men film is going

to have Hugh Jackman in it. Until they show me

otherwise. Well, he was barely in first class,

but when he was in it, it was great. Right. Alright,

so I will give it a thumbs up to you just because

it seems right and like Dan said I'm interested

to see exactly how they go about doing all that

and explaining some of the things That the other

past two films have set the stage for so thumbs

up for all three of us unanimous on that one

Next up I will abstain from voting I guess but

the headline is an end to paranormal activity

So apparently the next paranormal activity film

will end the series, and that would be the paranormal

activity, the ghost dimension. Really? I'm gonna

say, finally! You can stop creeping me the fuck

out already. They creeped me out. I don't know

if the execution's all that great with a ton

of the sequels, but I think that they definitely

bumped up the horror genre's popularity when

they started to come out. I am... Obviously,

I've made it known that I'm not a huge fan of

horror, and this is probably my least favorite

sub -genre of horror films in general. But can

I just nominate that title as the dumbest title

in the last decade? That's totally redundant.

Paranormal Activity, The Ghost Dimension. Isn't

that the same thing? It's not the same as any

of the other ones. No, I'm saying isn't the phrase

Paranormal Activity and the phrase Ghost Dimension

somewhat the same? It's two different things.

There is. They're expanding on that. Paranormal

activity isn't just dealing with ghosts. It can

be anything. This is not dealing with just ghosts.

It's a fucking demon. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This

is the reason why I sleep with my Christmas tree

on until March because I'm scared of this fucking

movie. Did you make other nightlights, by the

way? But it's so happy. It's the happiest nightlight

you can get. That's true, that's true. It's way

more than the nightlights. I'm a room lawyer.

I'll go thumbs up. I like the first one enough.

I actually really like the third one and second

one's kind of, but it's run its course. But I'm

going thumbs down because I don't think it's

the end because they said it like it's the end

for you know Friday the 13th And they've just

you know they've made those and so no horror

film franchise ever dies for long actually my

favorite title ever for a franchise that was

claiming to be done was the And then there was

another one I like the first one. I don't ever

seen any of the other ones. I think I saw parts

of like number 17 And it was just weird. They

have great kills, and now every time I drive

by one of those trucks with all the logs in it,

I just think of that movie. Oh, Jesus. Yeah,

me too. That movie's good for what it is, the

first one at least. I'd have to somehow watch

all the other ones, I guess, too. I was sitting

in the bathtub yesterday looking up at the...

Is this rated G? It is. Looking up at the faucet,

and it's one of those detachable shower heads,

but where the... the piping is that goes into

the wall to the head. I was just like thinking

of that scene in Final Destination where the

guy like hangs himself and he's slipping around

in the bathroom. I'm replacing this. I don't

like this situation. I want a different shower

head in here. Did you turn the Christmas tree

on? It's not up anymore, folks. Don't judge.

All right. Next one. We're not going to give

thumbs up or thumbs down. because it's a little

bit more serious. Last week we reported on a

loss in the film community from Christopher Lee.

This week we have another loss and that would

be from the likes of James Horner, a composer.

And I just wanted to give a second to acknowledge

that some of you might be familiar with a few

of his scores from such films as Avatar, Aliens,

A Beautiful Mind, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Field

of Dreams, American Tale, Titanic. Dan, do you

have a favorite of his scores? I know we're not

as expert of scores as some of our other podcasting

friends may be, but do you have a favorite of

his scores? I don't know. It's tough. I do really

like Paul 13. Even his Braveheart score is quite

good, too. He even has good scores for bad movies,

like the score for Wet Red Heat. That's actually

a decent for a movie that's really awful. I don't

know, I'd probably say my favorite score is probably

his Breitbart score. Amanda? I've seen quite

a few of these movies, and I'm not so keen on

scores that I can pick them out from any other

when just looking at this list here. So I couldn't

tell you which was my favorite, but I think that...

These are some pretty epic movies, and they would

have to have a pretty epic score to be attached

to it. I forgot he did Apocalypto. That's also

a pretty good one as well. I think for me, I

would say anything outside of Titanic. No, I'm

just kidding. I just don't like Celine Dion's

song. I can't blame that on him, though. That's

not the idea. I'm going to exclude that. No,

the rest of it's fine. I just don't like her.

And it's not that I didn't like her or that song.

It probably was... turned off by the fact that

I heard it 700 ,000 times that year. All I have

to say about this is, celebrities, people connected

to the entertainment industry, please stop flying

your own planes. It's not working out. Just please,

please stop. Harrison Ford, knock it off. Just

come on. It's the same thing, it's the same type

of reaction I have to when you hear about like

athletes, like professional athletes that get

DUIs. or beating their wives. No, I'm not talking

about that. We're not going that route. I'm talking

about DUIs because why would you not pay someone

like $50 ,000 a year to drive you? Or get an

Uber, you know? It's like... I just don't get

this. Why, if you're an athlete, are you ever

driving yourself, or even if you love cars, what

part of you would not be like, okay, I'm drunk,

let me have one of a thousand people drive me

somewhere? I mean, I know like people... Fly

recreational. It's like a hoppy. Yeah, it does

seem like a you know, I dangerous topic I would

say you know, it's it definitely seems like at

least recently in the last like two to three

years I've heard more about people dying flying

planes and I have any other type of recreational

activity and it's not necessarily I guess it

just a recent thing I mean there's been a history

of Famous people dying in planes. If you think

about, you know, going back, whether it be Aliyah,

John Denver, whatever. Yeah. And all the different

JFK. Yeah. So, uh, wasn't it a plane crash that

killed like all the, uh, they weren't flying

their own plane, but, uh, the old government,

no, the big bopper and, uh, Oh goodness. I'm

sounding like an idiot here. The song that the

day the music dies about, um, there was like

three of them that were in the plane that time.

Other people singing Sweet Home Alabama? Yeah.

Is that Creedence? No, they're not dead. So anyways,

before we sound any more that we don't know what's

going on in the world of music and other things.

Let's get back to movies. But yeah, James Horner

passing, definitely sad. And I know there's been

a lot of tributes, a lot of different things

out there. So just wanted to make sure we at

least mentioned that for a little bit. Getting

into the next news article. Here's the headline.

Michael Keaton to star in comic adaptation. Imagine

Agents. Dan, thumbs up or thumbs down for anything

involved with this project. Michael Keaton taking

this on as his next thing or anything. revolving

around that. I don't know anything really about

it besides what you just said like you know like

the what the property entails or anything like

that but I'm interested in seeing what Keon has

to do next so I'll go thumbs up. And the synopsis

of this comic book story is that it takes place

in a world where everybody's imaginary friend

is actually real and so they have They need these

agents to police all these imaginary friends.

And that's where you get the imagined agents

from, Amanda. Thumbs up or thumbs down? I'm going

to give it a big thumbs up. I actually wrote

that down, which you just read there. And all

I said was, yes. And then also it says, men in

black meets Roger Rabbit. And I'm all about that.

That just sounds like my cup of tea. That was

the best part of the article, I think, that I

read. The only thing that would sway me. But

everything I now want to hear men in black, I

think of like RIPD, which tried to do men in

black, and it was so awful. So hopefully it's

not that. Yeah, that is for sure. Go ahead. 23

liter. 23 years later, coming back to the comic

book realm for Michael Keaton, I think you made

a good choice. Let's see if you can live up to

it. I loved him as Batman. I thought he was a

great Batman. Agreed. Is it ironic that he would

do this right after Birdman, though? No. I think

he dipped his toe back in with that and just,

you know, decided to jump in then. I don't know.

I'm somewhat intrigued by the idea of everybody's

imaginary friend becoming real. And then I guess

the police agents that would be trying to keep

that in line, that's where they're getting the

men in black part thing. Would Bing Bong from

Inside Out get locked up? No, because this is...

Cut and Candy Self? I don't know, I guess. I

guess it could be anything. He's a very great

friend. Yeah, I guess it would necessarily have

to be people. It could be all kinds of different

fantastical creatures and animals and weird conglomerates.

Yeah, I don't know what that meant really there,

but yeah But I don't know I'm gonna give this

one a thumbs up a mild thumbs up because I Would

like to see a little bit more and I know nothing

about the property so a mild slash ignorant thumbs

up for me And we finally Dan finally we can stop

hearing rumors about who the next spider -man

is gonna be So that is probably a thumbs up in

and of itself, right? So Tom Holland is the new

Spider -man Dan thumbs up or thumbs down. She's

it's hard to really say cuz I know nothing like

Tom Hall I'm not really familiar with him at

all. I Thumbs up in the sense I another person

that was kind of in the running was Issa Butterfield

I think thumbs up that didn't go with him. Well,

I don't not that he's a bad actor I just did

not see him a spider -man but I'm more thumbs

down on who they're getting to direct and I'm

trying to find his name, but um this guy who

yes, and he's only done one movie so far and

i haven't seen it so i'm not saying he's a good

or bad director but This trend of like getting

an indie director who's done one movie to do

a summer blockbuster I think has been Not the

greatest Trend in the world and we like look

at some of the Godzilla last year We've seen

some it feels like it's just he's put there and

then movie studio just runs over the director

and does whatever they want So my fear is that

will happen again. So that's why I would go thumbs

down on the director choice He did the film clown,

which is a movie. I quite like actually Okay,

and then he was behind this year's Sundance film

called Cop Car, which we talked about very briefly,

I think, from a trailer a few weeks back. But

yeah, not much to judge on this guy, but I'm

with you. I don't understand. I don't like the

idea of them just putting somebody there and

then basically them calling the shots and whatnot.

And I think that's what a lot of the major directors

have had problems with and why we've seen a lot

of them exit certain projects that are related

to, you know, whether it be Marvel or Fox or

whoever was in charge of... you know, whichever

blockbuster or superhero film. So I don't like

that trend. I'd like them to let the directors

direct and show their artistry. So I'm with you

on a thumbs down on that, but I can't give a

thumbs up or down on the actual casting of Tom

Holland other than a thumbs up that I don't have

to hear any more speculation about it. Amanda,

did you give an actual thumbs up or thumbs down?

I know you commented. No, I'm definitely missing

what you guys are. I don't know who the fuck

this kid is. I don't really give a shit. As far

as John Watts to direct, meh, I don't know. I

don't know what his work is like, so I can't

give an intellectual insight into that. So I'm

going to go with Thumb Sideways, because I don't

know. The classic Thumb Sideways. Alright, next

headline is about the casting for Born Five.

We already knew that... Julia Stiles was going

to be returning to the franchise that was announced

slightly prior to this article But now Alicia

Vikander is also going to be involved with the

next born film As a side note, because she is

going to be involved in Bourne 5, we will not

see Vikander in Assassin's Creed like she was

originally planning to do. So she has chosen

the Bourne film over Assassin's Creed. I guess

maybe a thumbs up or thumbs down on that decision,

Dan, for her to leave Assassin's Creed and sign

on with the next Bourne film. I have a feeling

that the Assassin's Creed movie will never get

made. Feel like it's never moving forward ever.

But so I go thumbs up on that end. I I love the

Bourne trilogy I really don't want them to make

another one just because it's like I don't you

don't need to it's like it ended so perfectly

So but you know, maybe it'll be good. So we'll

see I don't know much about her like you're the

kid I have not I can't really think of anything

else I've seen her in she certainly has a name

that sounds like it would be great for a Bourne

film or Bond film so I'm sure it'll be fine.

That's the girl from... Am I getting it confused

or is that the girl from Ex Machina? I'm trying

to think right now. But yeah, I haven't seen

her in much either, so I can't necessarily say

that it adds any interest or takes away any interest

for me for the Bourne film. I guess if they're

gonna have to do a Bourne film, I guess it's

cool that Matt Damon's gonna be in it. But I'm

with you. I think that series was one that should

have just stopped after three. You know, it's

fine that they had a sequel and they had a second

and a third film, but you're right. That's where

that one probably should have stopped. So getting

into what's next for Dwayne, the Rock Johnson

will fight monsters in an adaptation of a film

called Rampage, which is archaic, which if the

film is going to be called Rampage, if you let

me finish, which might. be familiar to some of

you because it's based on an old arcade game,

Stealing My Thunder. So yeah, taking on earthquakes

and that type of stuff is not up in the ante

enough, so he's got to get it even more giant.

And for those of you that weren't alive in the

arcade game days, I know they still exist, but

not really, this is an 80s arcade game called

Rampage, and this is how this really worked here.

You would be fighting giant monsters that were

laying waste to three major US cities and in

the game those monsters included a lizard, a

gorilla, and a wolf. So that's the premise that

this movie is going off. Based on a game where

you have somebody fighting a giant lizard, a

giant gorilla, and a giant wolf that are rampaging

three different major cities. Is this not Razor

and Tokart? No. I think you weren't fighting

them. You were them. Like the point was like

just destroy buildings was like the entire point

of the game. I had never played that. I played

a lot of 80s games where the rampage was not

one of them. So that's what you play. But in

this film, he's going to be playing someone I

assume that's going to be trying to stop that

from happening. Has the rock just gotten to be

such the physical specimen that the only thing

that can appear on screen next to him are gigantic

monsters? Is that what we've? Yeah. Isn't it

because they say like the rock fighting Vin Diesel

thing in a certain film People started to realize

that that's just not believable anybody actually

beating the rock No up the ante Dan. What do

you think about the concept behind this one?

Intrigued I would say it If they do it like tongue

-in -cheek, I mean me more like the lie say thinking

something like Pacific Rim and it could be It

could be kind of funny like maybe like that in

pixels and like some sort of like middle ground

within that sensibility uh, I I don't you know,

I it I don't know how it's going to work exactly.

But hey, you know, there's been crazier things.

And The Rock can make almost anything at least

watchable. So that's the benefit of that, I guess.

Amanda, what do you think about this whole concept?

I don't think I played the 80s version of the

arcade game, but I think it was also for PlayStation

1 back in the busy. And I think I played it then.

And my notes say 80s arcade game movie with The

Rock. Hell yeah. I'm trying to figure out why

on the article there's a picture of The Rock

with two tarantulas on his shoulders. I see what

that is. Look at that face. I can't even see

his eyes. I got to give a thumbs down to whoever

is giving The Rock advice on what movies to take.

Everybody loves you, Rock. I'm gonna, we're on

first name basis like that, I can call him Rock.

Is your mom Dwayne? No, like his real name, The

Rock. His real name? Is that a slave name? Like

we all love him and we all like movies, like

his appearances in movies, but isn't it time

that someone give him an actual good movie to

be in so that he can just, I don't know. He's

at least I would say he's least doing ballers

right now in HBO, which is like, you know, at

least it's so much serious, you know, it's not

like I've never seen our lives I'd say it's more

similar to entourage but the sports version of

that it's only been one an episode but it's certainly

more of a more of a dramatic take I mean it still

has a lot of comedy to it and stuff like that

but it's uh at least he's stretching out the

acting muscle a little bit he's the rock he can

do whatever he wants to i'm not gonna fight him

literally all right uh we didn't have enough

x -men with our with our Wolverine talk so let's

get some more x -men rumors the article reads

x -men and fantastic four crossover rumored for

2018 Don't worry, folks, it's not a 2020 rumor.

We're only in 2018 rumors right now. So, Dan,

the idea, I know we've teased about this and

people have talked about it for a long time,

but the idea that in 2018, if the Fantastic Four

film of 2015 is successful, that it might be

setting the stage for a crossover between the

two teams. What do you think? I don't know. The

Fantastic Four, they have had comics together,

but they're often very different. I know this

Fantastic Four is certainly not like your traditional

really tongue -in -cheek Fantastic Four, but

I have a hard time really having a huge desire

in seeing that movie. To be honest, maybe the

Fantastic Four movie would be great. I think

it might have potential being pretty good, but...

This to me, I'll go with thumbs down because

I just don't need it. I want these things to

be separate. I like X -Men being its own thing.

For me, I would have to be interested in the

Fantastic Four to be interested in a crossover

between the Fantastic Four and the X -Men. It

would be like you telling me that they were going

to do this cool cartoon series that was a crossover

between He -Man and the Herkuloids or something

like that, or He -Man and Thundara the Barbarian.

I'd be like, okay, I care about half of it. I

don't know. I have no interest in the Fantastic

Four. Maybe then maybe I'll change my mind after

seeing this next film But like I said, isn't

there enough characters in the x -men universe?

I don't necessarily see a need for Four more.

I mean, I know what's happened in the comics

and whatnot from what I've heard but There was

yeah, there was even a comic it was like uh,

I think it was x -men or something It was it

was it was a it was a limited round and they

don't they don't cross paths a great deal the

x -men tend to stay in their own realms for the

most part to begin with but I don't know. I liked

X -Men being its own thing. I don't think it

needs to branch out. I'm going to give it a thumbs

down too. But Amanda, are you different? No,

I think I'm going to give it a thumbs down too.

I mean, it seems interesting. I just can't see

the mashup being too successful. I like what

Dan said about having them separated. And I also

like what you said about the X -Men having enough

characters. I think that... You like something

I said? Don't get used to it. But I'm gonna give

it a thumbs down also. Alright, so unanimous

thumbs down for that crossover idea. Two more

news things to get through real quick and then

we'll move on. First, in relation to the Batman,

which would be the spin -off film, the solo film

coming after the whole Batman versus Superman,

Dawn of Justice, whatever we're calling that

film still. And that would be the idea that Ben

Affleck won't only star in the individual Batman

film, but that he'll also be a writer and a director

on it? Is that too much Affleck, Dan? He's not

going to be a writer. I'm sorry, director, producer,

and actor. Ah, too much Affleck. Can you really

have too much Affleck? I mean, is that possible?

Yes, yes, you can. That's the answer. We're giving

you the answer on that one, folks. Watch Reindeer

Games, and that's the answer. I mean, to be honest,

I like athletic more as a director than I do

an actor and I'd rather him direct than Zack

Snyder. So if you know, I think he's certainly

less or two evils. I don't I don't him in like

a superhero action film, though. I mean, that's

not like anything he's directed previously, though.

So who knows? But I do think sometimes when you're

when you have just one voice. Right. can be a

bad thing, but considering that you have DC on

one side, I'm sure that they'll have plenty of

input. But I think considering other options

and other directors they've gotten, I think Ben

Affleck is by far the best one that DC has going

for them. So why not you? It would kind of go

against what we were saying before. It doesn't

seem like the type of person you'd have direct

something if you were wanting the, if DC or the

studio was wanting to call all the shots. I wouldn't

see Ben Affleck as quite the... someone they're

gonna be able to manipulate but Agreed like he

certainly will I mean I think in all honesty

right now they maybe need him more than he needs

them so Which is weird to say for Batman, but

I just I think right Well, we're saying but I

think they have yeah, I just have all the negative

Publicity that's been going. I feel like DC's

on uphill battle. So I agree with you as well

And what do you think I'm giving him the thumbs

up for? What about you? Um, I think I might want

to see some more of what he's directed before

I can make a decision. I didn't see the town.

What else has he... Gone Baby Gone, Argo... Nope,

I haven't seen any of those. So, I don't know

if I can give it a... I'm gonna say, I'm gonna

give it a thumbs up just because I feel like

if he's done... Those films that he should be

able to be at a caliber now that he should be

able to handle on a side note Three films have

been added to the must -watch list at the household

here All right Getting into one. We're not going

to talk about Shia LaBeouf. Sorry guys We can

go to the website and click on the link to see

about his most recent news headline about him

getting injured on set But he got 20 stitches

and 13 staples. I don't care Anyway, I know we

talked a lot about the Academy Awards last year

and the speculation and the rumors about possibly

changing and going back to the five picture field

for the best pictures. Just letting everybody

know the whatever they call it, the governing

body of the Academy Awards. I can't remember

the specific name. Meets every year and goes

over all the rules they just met and the press

release came out. I think they're specifically

they're called old white man. I think it's their

official name White man is definitely the requirement

to be in that group as well. It's like 70 % of

that Isn't it 70 % or 60 % of the Academy is

over the age of 50 It's I think it's yeah, it's

I think it might be higher than that Honestly,

but they've met then they put the press release

out. There is some changes and things involving

some of the other awards, but there is no change

for the best picture. So it will remain intact

where it can be anything from whatever it is,

five to 10 films. I don't know if there's a minimum.

I think it has to be at least five. At least

five. So it stays intact for this next year.

So no changes for anybody in that field. All

right. Getting into some trailer talk. Not a

bunch of trailers released here. Quite a few

of them were just a second trailer or... international

trailer or something like that but you each have

an option to yay or nay one of them. We will

start with you Amanda is there a trailer that

you'd like to yay or nay? I'm gonna go with the

most obvious Kung Fu Panda 3. For those of you

that listen to our top 10 animated films that

should not surprise you. What do you like best

about that trailer? The pandas. I There's not

a huge amount to be honest with this week. So

it's kind of slim pickings, but one that's it's

the third trailer But we have another response

about it and I'll so I'll go with a yay and that's

peanuts. I Just I think it's looking good It

seems a little bit sacrilegious to translate

that to like a 3D animated world, but I think

they're doing it in a way that's very tasteful

to the original and the original art style, so

I'm quite looking forward to seeing how that

looks out. I guess my hopes for that one is that

they were able to do what I think that the recent

reboot of the first Muppets film did. Not the

most recent Muppets film, but the first one where

it was kind of like a hearken back to that, but

it was like they had the right balance of kind

of... nods to and respect to what came before

it, but it was new enough to make it relevant

for like a modern audience. And, and I'm hoping

that's what Peanuts is able to achieve too. I'm

not as turned off as I thought it would be by

the animation style, given that it is the Peanuts,

but it does seem like they're trying to definitely

include all the different characters that you

know. And, but still, like I said, make it relevant

for a modern audience. So I'm not against what

you're saying there. Made any thoughts on Peanuts?

I think that I definitely agree with Dan said.

I think they're keeping it pretty true to form

with the style as much as they can. Bring it

to 3D life and I'll see it. I like it. Alright,

so we're talking about all animated films so

far so I will buck the trend and I will actually

go with nay instead of a yay like you guys because

I am mystery of negativity. And I gotta go with

a nay for this film entitled Dragon Blade. Go

for it. Okay. Dragonblade and Jackie Chan like

that makes perfect sense to me and I wouldn't

have even thought about this film but then you

connect the names Adrian Brody and then you start

watching the trailer and John Cusack shows up

What a huge part of it. He's not just some side

character. What is going on here? They seem to

have equal screen time here. Those are probably

two of the last people I would ever come up with

to be in a movie with Jackie Chan entitled Dragon

Blade. I can give Adrian Brody a pass. Because,

I mean, he's in action films. He's done some

cool stuff. But then, John, can you say it? I

even like junkies. I think this is ridiculous.

This is I asked Amanda. I was like, we're can't

reason Nicolas Cage busy. So I don't know what

you're doing. People behind Dragon Blade. But

this is a thumbs down this. Yeah, Joe. Hey, Christian

sin. Okay. This is gonna be worse than that.

Damn. Are we saying I say because John Cusack

is a guy who's always John Cusack. So not only

is an action film. It's a period piece So it's

just like is he supposed to be like a time traveler

that acts like he's from the 1990s? Cuz it's

kind of what he is like Everybody, Keanu Reeves,

Nicolas Cage, everybody show up. Steven Seagal,

maybe. I was waiting for the blue box to be raised

over the head. But yeah, I don't know. This seems

like direct to Mystery Science Theater 3000 material

to me. So I will give a nay for that one. There

is some other trailers available on the website

that you guys can check out and give us your

thoughts on Sicario, Dark Places. Daddy's Home

starring Will Ferrell. The Final Girl, a new

international teaser trailer for Macbeth. The

aforementioned Paranormal Activity, The Ghost

Dimension, as well as a new international trailer

for Trainwreck, a second trailer for Hitman,

Agent 47. Amanda, I can't believe you weren't

talking about that one. That was going to be

my next one, but it had to go with the pandas.

I'm super excited about Hitman. And Mastermind,

starring Zach Galifianakis. It grazed my biscuits!

So those are all available on the website. You

can click them, listen to them, watch them, and

then tell us which one's your most. Excited for

we're gonna take a quick break when we come back

We'll be getting into our thoughts on originality

and film a little discussion there And then we're

gonna get into what we've been watching including

a few things about inside out in the Black Sea

and some other their our homework assignments

from last week shame And the way back so a lot

to talk about hopefully you'll stick with us.

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main attraction here on episode 60 and like we

said every once in a while we will be doing some

just regular discussion pieces we did one a few

weeks ago and we wanted to do another one of

those because it's been something that's somewhat

grinding my gears to steal that phrase. But it's

a rant I was going to have to have in some way,

shape, or form. So I decided why not do it somewhat

in discussion form and keep it civil on here

on the podcast today. And that's all about the

originality aspect when it comes to film. And

it's probably one of the most common things you

hear these days on movie podcasts, in reviews,

or whenever I hear anybody talking about movies.

And this goes from cinephiles from movie buffs

to just a casual movie fan that I run into at

work or you know outside at the home or with

friends or whatever. Especially these days with

the culture that we have, especially with the

Marvel and DC and all the different YA movies

and you have your Star Wars and Star Trek and

Planet of the Apes and every franchise that's

getting rebooted or getting sequels or getting

another film added onto the franchise list is

this idea that, you know... originality is treasured

is something that we yearn for as far as when

movies come out and a lot of people are tired

of what you know, seeing the same stuff or seeing

the same idea that everything has to be based

on a 90s or 80s or 70s property, etc. But before

we get into that, I just wanted to get your guys'

general take on the idea of what... What makes

a film or an idea original? Because maybe I'm

in the minority, but those arguments to me and

what everyone's saying, although I see the point

that they're making, I don't know necessarily

if I agree with how they're defining things.

And I wanted to get your guys's take first. So

Dan, what makes a film or an idea original? Well,

I think kind of just to backtrack a little bit

with that question, I think originality is the

hard thing about it or The definition of it,

I think it more says something about the viewer

than it does the person who's making the product.

Because something original for me may not be

original for someone else because they're aware

of something else that I'm not of. I think this

movie, I never saw this story before, but they're

like, well, in the Twilight Zone season three,

episode four, it's one of those things where

someone could tie it to something else. Maybe

they're not related at all, but you always see

those. articles where it's like the Terminator

actually copies this idea from this one small,

you know, there's a lot of ways where people

tend to claim that something is unoriginal because

it's copying something else, but it could be

two separate things. that often or something

for me. I'm like, I'm watching this movie and

I think a scene is, well, this is really original

idea. Like we'll get the mission impossible.

For example, one of its most iconic moments is

actually very much an homage to a classic film.

When I saw it the first time, I had no idea that

was the case. So it was an original scene for

me. So I think it's a hard thing to come up with

because it's, it's hard to It's all about your

background. So it's definitely it can do part.

Yeah in your perspective so but I think what

makes something original if I was it to in the

broadest sense is Two things it's elevation And

innovation you like elevation is in taking Not

necessarily It's taking something that has maybe

been done before and we're currently doing Quentin

Tarantino retrospective right now. And I think

this is something that certainly applies to him,

where he takes bits and pieces of things and

movies and tropes that people are well aware

of and makes it into something more. and by doing

a variety of different things, better writing

direction, what have you. So there's originality

in that aspect. So even though a lot of the pieces

like, you know, something like Kill Bill, there's

certainly homages there to a lot of things, but

he's elevating it to another level. So there's

originality there. And then innovation, you know,

doing something that has not been done for whatever

reason. A movie that comes to my mind is like

Gravity, right? Where you have to literally invent

technology to make that movie work. I mean, that's

the most extreme examples. It could be something

simple as innovation in the sense of how stories

are told, like stories are told in the three

arcs, three act structure. So I'm going to do

something that's unlike that. And not like that,

like the tree of life or something like that.

So I think those are the two key elements in

making something original. What about you, Amanda,

when you hear the term original when referred

to a film or whatever, what do you think qualifies

a film or makes something original versus what

we'll get into it? What makes it? not original.

I think my opinion lies in the same vein with

Dan as far as I think a film can be original

if it's a revolutionary and maybe if like it's

cinematography like Avatar or something like

that. But I think it also can be original if

it possesses ideas and questions that really

haven't been brought to light. But I feel like

same same going with what Dan said is that these

films tend to ignite those ideas and questions

within us and it's all about perspective in that

sense. And I would agree with a lot of what both

of you guys are saying and you guys made it sound

much more intelligent than I'm going to be able

to make it sound. But I think my issue is not

necessarily with I think people know like when

they're asked I think they know and they can

come up with good answers like you guys just

both did to that question. My problem is I think

there's way too many other things that are getting

labeled as unoriginal just because it seems like

an easy... It's an easy claim for someone just

to throw at something as like a critique or as

like a part of their review or whatever on a

film. And I guess that's what kind of drew me

to this idea was the fact that I just think it's

being used... You know, Dan, you had a... I don't

remember if you had a written piece or if it

was on a podcast, but a year or so ago about

the term, I'm overrated. It was both. I cheated

myself and I did it. I think similar to that.

It's a term I think that's just being used way

too haphazardly and way too much. I guess your

argument was more that it was a term that shouldn't

be used and doesn't really make a lot of sense,

which I get. But in a similar way, this isn't

a term that... It is a valid term, and it does

exist, but I just think it's being used too much,

and I think it's being used too much in just

very careless ways. And that's what I wanted

to kind of get into a little bit more, not just

what our definitions of original were, because

I think we all have great definitions for that,

but... What makes these other films not original

in certain respects, and where's the line between

what something that some people can claim is

original, and then something that they can critique

as not original, and that's why they're writing

it off? So, getting into a couple examples here,

first of all, does being a sequel, or a part

of a franchise, or a reboot, or a remake, or

a launch of a property that existed in another

medium, whether it be cartoon, TV, comics, novels,

whatever it is Does being based on a known property?

Automatically make something on original damn

I would say automatically no and I would I would

also argue that There's two aspects of that and

the fact that be a being original doesn't necessarily

equate to being good right, right? you can you

can be original because my film is of Like watching

a wall literally watching paint dry for two hours.

It's an original idea Because it's bad Yeah,

and I think you can necessarily be in a movie

can be you know quote -unquote unoriginal or

Cliche or maybe you know within a genre and still

be good and you say they know it does if it's

based on a certain properties and necessarily

unoriginal I would I would know because I think

there's there are facets within any movie where

originality can take place and I don't necessarily

think that It's necessarily a being original

is a precursor to making good movie thinking

something like the person I always comes to mind

for me Sean Carpenter and There is a lot of originality

what John Carpenter does like no one does what

John Carpenter does he's has his own thing and

but even he Made a remake of a film called, you

know the thing took a previous property Maybe

not all that well -known and made it into something

again the elevation into something much more

than originally was So I don't think this is

like I think you can take something Or thinking

something like Judge Dredd right the movie from

the 90s, which was not that good Okay That that

that movie from the 90s that was an all -star

classic starring Rob Schneider and Sylvester

Stallone And you make it into the dread of a

few years ago, which was, again, based on the

same property, but very vastly different. So

I don't necessarily think where you start a movie

is any type of indication of what type of quality

your film is going to be. I'll let you give your

thoughts on that in a second, but it made me

think of one thing there with what he's saying.

and kind of going on somewhat of a separate line

here of thought, but do we, when it comes to

the term original, do we have a different definition

and a different scheme in our head when it comes

to films that we don't necessarily... introduce

or put into action when we're thinking about

other things because I'm thinking about comics

and I'm not a good person to talk about comics

but if you think about that there are comic series

you know based on a certain character and whether

it be like let's say X -Men or something like

that I don't know or Captain America or whoever

that exists but those stories evolve over time

so you don't pick up a new comic or a new series

and say oh this is unoriginal just because it's

kind of a reboot of a comic book series that's

already happened in the past because you could

have new ideas you could have some crazy unique

original idea within that story like I'm sure

at some point you know think about the the movie

that we're going to get soon with like Captain

America Civil War I'm sure at some point that

was something that was new and unique in that

comic, in the history of that comic book, of

those characters within the comic book world,

that would have been a new, original, unique

story, regardless of if it had characters that

had appeared for years or decades or whatever.

I mean, someone out there is going to yell at

me for my comic book knowledge, Dan, but I mean,

do you kind of understand what I'm saying with

that? Yeah, and I would say like kind of along

those lines too when it comes to originality

is that it's a tightrope the walk because yeah

You can claim in desire originality when it comes

to like, okay, it means like something like our

Marvel movie It's like I want something original

but you also want you have that demand from fans

to also stay true to the lore that it's coming

from so even within what you're creating, there's

a box that people want you to fit in. Yeah, you

can make an original Captain America movie by

giving him the ability to travel through time

and drive a DeLorean. Yeah, maybe not. It's original

for Captain America, but not necessarily maybe

a good movie. I think we can get caught up too

much on the fact that, oh, this is something

that's familiar because I think there is a talent

and there is an art to taking a formula and making

it work and making it, and it's the tweaks or

maybe doing that formula just really well. So

I don't necessarily think that necessarily decredits

a movie just because it's necessarily formulaic,

which is I know it's a bad word we tend to use,

but if that formula is good and it works and

it's effective, I think it's okay. Yeah, I agree.

Amanda, what do you think about the stuff we've

been talking about recently as far as dealing

with franchises or films that have existed before

that are being rebooted and the idea that those

could or could not be original ideas? Well, I

mean, I think it's incredibly easy to become

bored with things because of their lack of originality.

I think that this taste is valid, but I think

that you can truly enjoy something that's also

completely unoriginal as well. And I don't believe

that sequels or prequels or reboots can't be

original in their own right. I think my example

would be the Underworld series. If you look at

Rise of the Lichens, which is the prequel, I

think it was really well done because it did

something that was different from the first four

films. And also if you watch this series in its

entirety, you see this growth and this development

through the movie and how the story is morphing

into something that is completely new entirely.

I think it's possible. And you brought up one

example. I wanted to bring up an example from

this year, since it's stuff that's fresh in people's

mind and stuff that people are talking about.

But I don't want to use the same film that I

was thinking about using this for the first part

of my example. So let's combine last year and

this year here. And the idea here is, well, I'll

use the example and see if I can make it work.

But take Avengers Age of Ultron from this year.

I heard on at least... two to three different

podcasts or written reviews. People slamming

Avengers Age of Ultron as just another cookie

cutter Marvel film and it's not original and

it's just the same old film over and over and

over again. And that was a lot of the reason

why people graded that film pretty low in comparison

to take something like Cinderella from this year,

which everybody... gave really rave reviews about.

It's scored really well in most circles. And

the praise for that one is how effective and

how perfect an adaptation that was to... The

comparison was taking an animated film and almost

perfectly just creating a live action of the

exact same thing that existed in the animated

world. So why... I don't necessarily understand

that because one of them, and I'm not necessarily

dissing on Cinderella because I do think it was

a very effective film, but why is that one given

a pass when it's almost a carbon copy, just a

live action version of an animated film that

exists, and then anything that Marvel does recently,

from those that want to gripe about it, is just

the same old comic book superhero film? To use

the example of age of Ultron, I think part of

the problem. Yeah Yeah, I think like why you

would necessarily give I think which I'll honestly

as a fan of comics as a fan of marble fan of

Avengers and someone I think I did overall enjoy

Avengers agent Ultron But I'd say I think I would

agree with the sense that age Ultron was unoriginal

in the sense that like with that key of elevation

it It didn't I think up the ante in a way that

the previous Marvel films have, you know, and

I think it or give us what about like, like,

let me think of like, for example, Captain America

Winter Soldier for last year, what I think that

did it became original. Again, it's a comic book

movie. It's a hero story. A framework that's

familiar. But what made it original, I would

say, is that it became a spy thriller in a comic

book world. So meshing two genres into one. So

making, again, something original out of something

unoriginal. Guardians of the Galaxy, for example,

within that Marvel formula has a lot of the same

parts you expect from Marvel. but a lot of different

tweaks, a lot of different personality to it.

Certainly, I think a little bit more on original

characters and certainly a world that was unique

to Marvel, like almost Star Wars like. So try

to kind of combine it too. I think it is a good

question. Like why is Cinderella? And I think

it's just simply volume. Honestly, I think it's

a volume question and expectations. Cinderella

is going to be compared to things like Alice

in Wonderland, Maleficent, Mirror Mirror, those

type of movies. And when you have those films

that maybe aren't as good, aren't as good as

quite as good, or people, the biggest criticism

for them is like, it's nothing like what the

source material, then when you get something

that is like the source material, maybe that's

what's causing people to like that one more,

or it feels like it's more aligned with expectations,

maybe. But I think the key there is just volume,

honestly, and in comparison that Cinderella is

a better movie than maybe other live action.

And the other thing I could understand is if

people had used the argument, if they had gone

down the road of execution, if they were just

saying... Yes, they're both based on things,

but Cinderella was executed better and it had

this element, this element, and this element

that worked better for it. But my problem was

it was too much of... It went to the aspect with

these other films of originality and they were

being trashed as not being original and not necessarily

being written off or getting points taken off

for execution or different elements along it.

And I just think it's too easy just to say...

I'm tired of the same old thing because in all

honesty everything's the same old thing except

for in what you're saying when we have certain

things that elevate or innovate something to

make it stand out but if you take away that everything's

this I mean you know there's only I can't remember

what it is is it two three four how many like

Think there's like 19 different types of I forget

stories per se like plot devices or something

like that You know come from those core stories

and everything develops from there with just

different, you know different settings different

things like that and And I think I think it is

the key to and I think it is it's lazy criticism

Honestly, like you're saying I think it's like

I was on original which I don't we're doing this

if it's if it's someone saying that another movie

somewhat Like just ripped off scene for scene

or is basically the complete film just in a you

know what I mean? Like I get I get that argument

as as more of a legit criticism, but just to

say It's a mark another Marvel film It's like

something like you see that where people Think

of like a hunger games, right? And it's like

people like I just took the idea from Battle

Royale and like that's just the same idea it's

it's an original idea and And I think there's

similarities there, but I think just saying it's

unoriginal is, I think, again, lazy. And I think

there's a beyond, it's not like Battle Royale

came out with that idea. There's movies that

probably came up with it beforehand or what have

you. Compared to what you would say with The

Fast and Furious and Point Break. Exactly. And

I think it's okay to again, it's about execution.

It's the thing, the example that I always think

of is it's a TV example, but it's the last weeknight

was John Oliver. It's, I think it's easy to look

at that TV show and say, it's just the daily

show with a different person upfront. But there's

in a lot of ways, you know, there's a lot of

similarities for sure. It's the format is very,

very much the same. Uh, there's aspects that

are certainly carried over, but it's so it's

like the minutia of it and just how they do things

just a little differently and just so I think

it's in a lot of ways taking something that's

familiar and making something again that's that's

new and maybe even fresh even though it's something

it's very much like something that came before

so I think it's again it's and I also don't I

don't think going back I'm repeating myself but

going back I don't think being Original isn't

necessarily a good thing or a bad thing. Because

honestly, I listen to a lot of movie podcasts.

Very few movie podcasts are original, myself

included. I mean, it's the same type of thing.

How many movie podcasts review a movie and do

a list afterwards? A lot do that, which is fine.

It's not a bad thing. It's what's in between

that and how that's done that really matters.

So I think originality is something that's very

easy to... require it from other things that

aren't yourself. You know what I mean? It's easy

to say like, I want these things to be original,

but myself, I think it's okay if I'm unoriginal

and I kind of, if I don't maybe live up to the

requirement I'm giving out to other things. And

that's what seems weird about it, because it

seems like it's more stressed in the world of

film than anywhere else. Um, and maybe that's

just because that's what I have the most, you

know, interaction with these days. But it's like,

you're never going to have, I don't know, I can

never picture myself like when it came to cartoons

being like, oh, it's just another one of those

boys action cartoons. Like, no, like I liked

a lot of those. I don't care if they were all

similar in the style of what they were basically

doing. Like, they could still be entertaining

based on the characters or, you know, whatever

they were doing. You know, like you said, like

we were bringing up before, comic books. You

know, a lot of those are the same storyline or

the same characters over decades and decades

of time. Nobody's complaining about the latest,

you know, whatever it is saying, Oh, I would

say, I would, I would say it. I think it's that

that's more about the community that you're in.

Cause There are a lot of complaints with that

when it comes to comic books the originality

and repeating stories. I mean Marvel is notorious.

It's and that's why there's a Huge movement with

Marvel right now to completely like reboot their

universe and stuff like that. So I I would say

that those Complaints are you know, I don't know

if you know you have that I mean, I think there

are certain don't you'll have ones that are like

oh this is just like friends or like whatever

the hot sitcom of that time is like I know a

big thing people get sick of now or like mockumentary

sitcoms and like oh it's just another like office

wannabe or something like that and when friends

was popular or whatever else when mad about you

or friends or king of queens was popular was

anybody like complaining and being like oh we

saw this with the facts of life and who's the

boss and family ties and all these other ones.

Maybe that's because I was young and I wasn't

exposed to it and it was before the interwebs.

I don't know. That's before everyone had a Twitter

account that could review a movie. What do you

think about some of the things that we brought

up? Well, there's really not much more for me

to add. I think everything that you've been saying

so far has kind of been... right in line with

my own opinion. As far as Avengers and Cinderella

goes, I think you guys are right. I think they

both capitalized on an idea that had already

been made a reality in film, but they both also

did a really excellent job of executing their

stories with bits of their own uniqueness thrown

in. Yeah, and I just I think Dan hit it on the

head then kind of what I what I was trying to

get out of this is I just want to I'm gonna call

everybody out that that listens to us or and

that that does reviews or does podcasts about

movies and I just stop with the lazy Criticism

by just blanketing blanket Lee using the term

original as a derogatory term for how you're

going to review a film, give me something more

than that. Because unless you're saying it's

a blatant ripoff scene for scene of something

else that exists, I don't care about the original

argument. Because like Dan says, it doesn't mean

it's good. It doesn't mean it's bad. And like

I said, even if it is a takeoff, even more so

scene for scene, if it's done well, who cares?

Yeah. I will say that, like, You know, if you

are within a certain, you know, we're talking

about Marvel, so I'll keep that in that same

vein. I think there is a certain responsibility

if you are making a movie like that, if you are

making an Avengers or something like that, that

knowing you have this series is that you should

be trying to keep pushing it forward or doing

new things. And when you don't, I think you should

certainly be called out on that. And I understand

the argument of the Marvel formula and being

kind of tired of it. I get that where it's like,

okay, it does seem like we're not getting, what's

the point anymore? Like how many times can you

do something at the same time and still get the

same effect of it? Like even me as a person who

loves comic books, I do too can see getting tired

of comic book movies because there's only like,

is there any further things we can do? But then

something great will come out and then like,

oh, okay, definitely. I just don't necessarily

think that the The the Criticism stop at just

being oh, it's it's bad because it's it's a Marvel

formulae movie I would I want to know like why

that formula is bad and if you're just if it's

not a formula You don't like which is fine. Like

then then that's then that's then it's like why

go see a movie You don't want to like you know,

you're not gonna like in the beginning to begin

with but you also I think look at him formula

that's worked, been successful, been overall,

you know, positive reaction has built a franchise.

And, and also I think look at that and think,

okay, I can understand why they're not necessarily

breaking completely from the trend that they've

created and staying within, you know, their own

framework and their own type of filmmaking. So

like, I, I think it's, it's a, it's a, it's hard

because yeah, it's, you want to be. You want

to give people something to talk about, you know,

you want to give people something to enjoy, but

you also don't want to turn people away by getting

something they don't like or Like and every time

Marvel's taking a chance and a lot of times they've

taken a chance It's it's not worked out in the

sense of like the Mandarin reaction Ferrari man

3 or when they've really tried to twist things

and go Yes, exactly. So I think it's, I think

it's, it's like, again, I, I love the twist in

Ferrari Man 3. I think it's great because I think

the Mandarin's an awful serious racist character.

Uh, but that's besides the point, but I don't

know. I just, I like genre movies and I think

making a genre movie, sometimes you have rules

you go by and maybe you play with those rules

and make something cool and unique. Right. And

maybe sometimes you're just like, yeah, this

is just a cool thriller like taken. No, it's

not winning any Oscars. It's it's nothing necessarily

new for for that for that genre, but it's a good

actor. Well, stage set pieces. Right. I'm OK

with that. Well, it's like what you said. And,

you know, I've been one of the biggest champions

of the new reboots of the Planet of the Apes

films. Those are, you know, obviously, those

are takeoffs of the 70s films and. You know,

completely taking some elements straight out

of that. But what you said in your first statement,

it elevated it. It had some innovation there

with what they were doing there. And it made

it a great movie for me to watch. Is it going

to win awards for, like, Best Picture? No. I

mean, it might win some visual effects and different

things like that. It should win some visual effects

awards, but then it doesn't. And then you wonder

why. And you're like, how is that even? All right.

But you know, I mean, that's just an example.

It's a completely based on a property, but it

elevated it, it innovated it, and it was a good,

successful, entertaining film. So, Amanda, any

last thoughts? No. Dan, anything you didn't get

to bring up that you wanted to? No, I feel like

I've been rambling, so I will say just no. I

just think be careful. Yeah, I'm good. Using

that as your critique about a film. and yeah

and i think we all have have those things we

use yeah like it's just it and you know doing

reviews is hard so it's like it's it's easy to

get caught up on something or you know i just

i think honestly a key to reviewing movies it's

been kind of a blessing in the sky for me is

just being able to not to see everything is that

i only see things i want to see so it's making

seeing movies so much more enjoyable Yeah, and

also like you said be careful if you are gonna

use that that argument that you want original

things and you want unique things Don't freak

out every time they do it Because that's just

gonna make them not do it And they're gonna stick

to their guns. So alright, let's get into a few

things here with what we've been watching I have

not seen hardly anything because we have been

on a on a marathon binge worthy Go through of

the Game of Thrones I am into season three, halfway

through season three. Everybody does a lot of

time trying to catch up with that. So we've watched

a Season and a half in like the last two weeks

or so So we're trying to catch up Amanda's current.

She's seen all the all the new ones as well.

She's like that She's being a she's been rewatching

the other ones for me so that I can catch up

I thought I wanted to go back and rewatch those

because it's like now that we're in season whatever

I don't remember Or what? But I'm like, I don't

remember any of this. We're watching that because

I would not have remembered. So Amanda, let's

start with you. What's one of the films that

you saw this last week that you'd like to bring

up outside of the two that we saw together? I've

been on kind of a rewatch kick just to see how

my tastes have changed or I love to pick up things

in movies that I didn't see before. I get a real

kick out of... You know, why didn't I see that

the last time I watched this or just gleaning

more from the experience of the films and I think

one of my rewatches this week has been one of

my favorite in the weeks leading up to this and

that's The Cell from 2000, a sci -fi thriller

with J .Lo, Vince Vaughn and Vincent D 'Onofrio.

You haven't seen this, have you? I think I have.

Don't know have you have you seen this Dan? I

have not I have not I know You would have thought

those names would have been enough. Yeah I I

absolutely love this movie. I think it's really

akin to seven, but it takes it up a notch Well,

if you can imagine that I love, love how this

movie is executed and the premise, the idea behind

it. I love all the characters. I get completely

vested in all of them. I've seen this movie probably

three times now. That's not a lot, but I mean,

as far as rewatchability, I like to revisit this.

And a lot of the shots are based on famous artwork

and paintings. There's even one by H .R. Geiger,

it's called a shot. I don't know, it's like a

German word. But there's also a famous horse

scene that I won't really get into that's also

based on paintings. And I think that as far as

the... I think this is one of her best performances,

if you can call it that. At J .Lo acting, I think

she can do okay. I think she's nothing that blows

anything out of the water, but I really, really

like her in this film. Also, Vincent D 'Onofrio

on his creepy kick with the daredevil. Villainry

that's been going on on Netflix. I liked how

it kind of Mirrored this so I could see him in

another Bad guy role. He looks so creepy. He

is the epitome of serial killer He's got these

really intense Piercings for suspension like

body suspension all over his you know his back

and his arms. He's like huge metal hooks and

he suspends himself. It's really funny seeing

him so skinny and buff because he's kind of tubby

now. So it's really, really cool seeing this

performance. He was amazing in this film. It's

just also super duper hard to take Vince Vaughn

as a serious detective in a film, but I think

he did a really great job of it. It was not...

Really, after your re -watch of The Lost World,

it's... Hey, Vin Fonson's too detective now and

he's actually pretty good. Yeah, he's pretty

good at it. I think this movie is one of the

most visually striking films. I think it reminds

me a lot of What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams,

some of the scenes. And the costumes are just

ridiculously amazing. And I even read some trivia

on it where J .Lo wanted her costumes to be comfortable.

But because her character... That sounds so like

her. Because the costume designer... kind of

advised her otherwise because of her character

is tortured in this film and so they wanted some

of her costumes to be very uncomfortable so you

kind of see this I don't know what do you call

it like a dichotomy where when it's when it's

her choice on her terms things are very flowy

and not constricting but then when she's in this

this other we're just gonna call it a realm Where

she's in the actual mind of a serial killer how

much different Her costumes are in relation to

what she's going through. It's really awesome.

And what score would you give the cell? I'm gonna

give it an 8 out of 10. What year was that from?

2000. Alright Dan, what do you got? I actually

have not watched a lot myself, but I did catch

up with a few documentaries and One was actually

a trilogy of documentaries and it was the Paradise

Lost trilogy And I didn't like it because it

was super unoriginal and it had no originality

whatsoever and it was unoriginal and no it three

three documentaries that first one started in

90s and another one in 2000 and then the latest

one in 2010 and I think the bad thing about the

paradise last trilogy watching the first one

is knowing two more are to come because it it

centers on the West Memphis three. And it's around

this court case where kids were brutally murdered

and three teenagers were charged with the murder.

And there's a lot of belief that they were charged,

not based upon evidence, but because they were,

they were different. You know, they wore black

t -shirts, they listened to heavy metal and that's

in the smaller town. So they thought they just

kind of. They did it because of that. The first

one is just about that court case. It is this

intense because on one hand you have these three

families who have kids who were brutally murdered.

You have their story and then you have these

kids who are going to trial for it. Are they

innocent? Are they guilty? I think what's great

about the documentary I mean it just presents

this story and there are It's, it sounds weird

calling them characters, but in a way there are

like intriguing characters, really intense interviews.

And it is a nineties documentary produced by

HBO. So the production isn't all that great,

but it's interesting seeing these films because

you both see a, the technology advancements and

with documentaries and within technology itself,

because it's like, uh, the second one gets into

a lot of the reaction to the first film and use

of internet web pages. them like create a webpage

from the like 1996 is it's just kind of funny

seeing that but uh it i would highly recommend

the trilogy it's currently on hpo uh you i think

you could probably watch just the second and

third one if the first one just to turn off since

it's you The picture quality isn't all that great.

It very much looks like a TV documentary, but

I think the story is still there. So I dig it

quite a bit. If I was going to give a score to

the overall documentary series, I would give

it a nine because I do think it's one of the

better ones and it came out as I get to one of

the. biggest name documentaries in the 90s for

sure and had some of the biggest influences in

a lot of ways because it it did cause like its

own little movement so and it's because it's

really well made so i would i would have advice

checking it out very good score for the paradise

lost trilogy um for me up first is a film that

i've been waiting to check out from 2015 and

it was finally available well it's been available

for a little while but i hadn't had the chance

to watch it and that is the film Black Sea, an

adventure thriller rated R, which sees a submarine

captain who takes a job with a shadowy backer

to search the depths of the Black Sea for a submarine

rumored to be loaded with gold back from World

War II and all that happened between the Nazis

and the Russians and everything else. Starring

Jude Law, Ben Mendelsohn and... and a few other

people directed by Kevin MacDonald. I had heard

some good things about this film and wanted to

check it out. And I gotta say, I'm not disappointed

from Black Sea at all. I have only seen a few

submarine films in my day, but I tend to like

most of them for some reason. I don't know why.

But... It's an interesting story here because

we're taking modern day and we're basically searching

for an old Nazi U -boat basically that is filled

with gold that we don't know if it... We believe

that there's been reports that it exists, but

the idea here is that there's some political

red tape that is preventing anyone from going

down and checking it out and retrieving the gold.

And the Russian fleet is basically stationed

above the waters to where this U -boat is supposedly

located, but they're not in Russian territory.

It's in one of the neighboring countries that

has the right to the water there. So nothing's

happening currently. And he's Jordan? Yeah. And

so Jude Law basically gets hooked up with someone

who's going to fund, who's going to... pay for

them to get a submarine and defunded the whole

thing and they're going to get 40 % I think is

what the number was of the gold. So Jude Law

is basically kind of going rogue here with his

own fleet to try to swoop under the Russian fleet

and retrieve this gold and then they get equal

shares of the money while the backer gets the

rest. So I don't know, I think that's a very

intriguing plot line from here. It's original.

I haven't seen it a lot. We'll just keep doing

that for the rest of the show. You're going to

lose friends real fast. But I like Jude Law,

and I like this whole premise. And the idea becomes

centered around the fact that Jude Law promises

the rest of the crew equal shares of the gold

that's retrieved. And what's pointed out to him

right away is that people are going to start

figuring out that the less people that make it

back alive the more people the more gold that

everybody else is going to get in their equal

share it's also interesting because half of the

crew is russian and half of the crew is british

and so that sets up kind of like uh divided line

amongst the crew of this sub, where not all of

them can communicate with each other, not all

of them speak the same language, all of the Russians

are sticking together, all the British are sticking

together, there's, you know, people are trying

to accuse each other of this, that, and the other.

So there's a lot of interesting relationships

amongst the crew and what's going on through

that, along with the whole peril of being in

a sub under the Russian fleet, trying to retrieve

the gold, diving, et cetera, with a very limited

team and a sub that was looking like it was in

pretty bad shape to begin with. So that's all

I'm going to say without giving anything away.

But I was thoroughly entertained by this one.

I would venture to say that if I was to come

up with a top 10 list of the year so far, I would

probably find its way in there. And I would give

this one an 8 out of 10. Amanda, you did not

finish it, so you're probably not qualified to

score quite yet. I totally fell asleep. It was

late, but like I said, 8 out of 10 for me, I

definitely appreciated the Black Sea. Amanda,

something else that you saw that you wanted to

talk about real quick? Or was the cell the only

one that you got to see this week? I also revisited

Pacific Rim. Not much to talk about there. I

enjoyed it. I don't think there's any need to

really go into it as far as the grade would go.

Let's say you give it a love. Six out of ten

five and a half. I think it was okay. I think

it's pretty cool. It was only a six Yeah, I know

that there's divided audiences with that one

a lot of people Love it and some people hate

it so six out of ten you're right in the middle

so that not too bad there I think the other one

that we could talk about real quick that that

we got to see together Was the theater visit

this week and that would have been inside? Out,

the new animated film from Pixar that has everybody

raving about. And I'm going to let you go first.

So what were your thoughts on Inside Out? Hashtag

the feels. OK. I was in some state of in tears

the entire movie. I was either about to cry,

crying or trying to stop crying or maybe just

some like one single man tear. falling. That'd

be weird if it was on you. But it was okay because,

I mean, that's just how it is. Sometimes you

only have one tear. Just one tear. Alright, so

it gave you the feels? I think it was a super

powerful film. It's really hard for me to tell

at this point if I like Home from earlier this

year or this film better. I think they both had

their own strengths. But I really really loved

a ton of this movie. I think I really enjoyed

the use of color And I won't get into spoilers

with some of that, but some of the aspects of

the ending and color there, I think it was really

well done. I was able to relate to Riley in so

many ways. I myself would definitely have the

hockey island, the goofball island, the friendship

island, the family island. Your goofball island

has not fallen to the waist. It never will. Die

hard. I think that... I my favorite emotion was

definitely anger And I love the voice casting

for for all the emotions. I think they were really

well done I think the only weak link was maybe

disgust I don't think she was used as much as

as I thought she should have But I think there

were some really really cool Visual ways to represent

some very abstract and deep concepts. I Wouldn't

agree with a lot of that to a point I would say

that this is probably one of the smartest animated

films I've seen in a long time, if not ever.

I think there's more layers, there's more conceptual...

Concepts there's more themes going on here than

you get in a lot of animated films So I definitely

think it's one of the most impressive as far

as themes concepts intelligence goes when it

comes to an animated film That I don't argue.

I think visually it's very appealing like you're

saying different things with colors and the different

the different ways of animation that they kind

of featured in certain parts so I think it's

appealing from from a visual standpoint and like

I said from from just a conceptual standpoint

and I think that adults will get a lot out of

this film, but I cannot ignore the fact that

I had an immediate reaction to this film. You

asked me as we were walking out what I thought

about it, and I couldn't say anything except

for my first reaction, which was I didn't like

it. Which I was shocked by. Now, that was just

the, in the moment, initial, like I said, visual

reaction to it was that I just, something about

it rubbed me the wrong way. It's grown on me

a little bit in retrospect, thinking about it

and appreciating it for all the different conceptual

things that they're doing and all the different

themes and the different levels that they're

going to. My biggest issue, and I understand

that everyone says that Pixar films are made

for adults, not kids, which... They're geared

towards adults and geared toward children. Catered

to children, I feel like. Yeah, but I don't know

if I buy that. I get to a point. that they're

putting things in there that appeal to adults

and they're trying to make it equally represented,

but it's still an animated film that still is

trying to go after a demographic of children

for money and for success. So I don't necessarily

know if I buy that argument 100%, but that's

coming from someone who hasn't seen all the Pixar

films, so I have a couple blind spots in there.

But regardless of that or not, my biggest problem

with this film is I, as much as I appreciate

how intelligent and how intellectual and conceptual

it is, I cannot get away from the fact that I

don't think a majority of children would find

this film appealing. I just can't see a big chunk

of these kids being entertained for this entire

film. If you're having adult film buffs and cinephiles

talking in reviews and saying that even they...

didn't get half of the concepts and that they

would need to brush up on their psychology and

that they would need to consult someone who's

much more intelligent than them to understand

it then what chance does a kid have on I mean

50 to 75 percent of this movie is gonna gloss

over a kid and they're not gonna have a clue

what they're talking about and I think that's

somewhat a problem when you're doing an animated

film I think if you're above the age of 11 or

12, at least above the age of 10, you're gonna

get a lot more appreciation than if you're below

this. If you are taking your child that's less

than 10 years old, that's under 10 years old,

then they're not gonna get, this movie's not

for them. That would be my caution. Take your

10 year old, your 11 year old, your 12 year old,

it might be able to speak to them and stuff they're

going through, but anyone younger than that,

it's gonna be completely lost. We had one family.

And I know people have said their theaters had

different reactions, but we had one family in

our row that literally got up two -thirds of

the way through the film and walked out. and

that was the same family whose kid at the beginning

was going crazy over the film. He was really

enjoying what was happening in a few of the initial

scenes and very much enjoying it and it seemed

like the whole family was having fun for those

first like 10 to 15 minutes. They walked out

two -thirds of the way through because of either

the kid not understanding it or because the kid

just literally not liking it. We had someone

in the front row that was a little more verbal

than we hear a lot of kids in some of the theaters

that was commentating on a lot of the things,

and he was not happy with what was going on.

On our way out, we had a little girl that was

walking by us that said, that's the saddest movie

I've ever seen. And whether that provides an

opportunity for a parent to, you know, like a

parenting moment where they can teach the child

something about the emotions or whether the film

can do that, I still think There's a danger there

because I don't trust parents in our country

because I've been exposed to too many of them

and they don't do a good job parenting. So I

don't think those moments are going to be necessary

to capitalize on like they should. So I just,

I don't know. I don't know if I would feel comfortable

with my young child watching that film if they're

10, 11, 12, maybe. So that was my initial reaction.

Dan? Speaking of someone who's not seen the film,

so an expert opinion, I would say like someone

having someone, a kid having that. Reaction of

it being a sad movie is a good thing. Yeah, I'm

not saying that's a bad thing But I'm saying

that in the moment she was not she was upset

by everything she saw Which I think I think that's

more of a testament to you maybe the animated

or the programming for kids today, then it is

the movie because I think it's like, one of Jim

Henson's favorite things was he felt that kids

should be fearful. That you should, scaring is

a good thing. Being frightened could be, there's

some positives there. Yeah, I saw a leprechaun

about sex. Look how I turned out. Great. Exactly.

Exactly. I think in a way by trying to ... hide

those emotions or like, you know, the production

or try to Center those like types of issues,

you know, where it going after Deeper thoughts

or something that may not be as pleasant. I mean,

I think that's It is kind of a problem with kids

movies today where everything has to be positive

and i don't think it should be all positive i'm

not i'm not saying we should hide sadness or

being scared i think those are very very valuable

things i just fear for not fear but i i just

i think the people that it'd be better if the

people that were seeing that and were feeling

those emotions were also able to understand what

the movie was saying about those emotions or

being able to conceptualize some of the things

that are going on there. I think kids are smarter

than we give them credit for and maybe I think

they understand and I mean, I can't, again, I

can't really say because I have not seen the

movie, but I would say that it's okay if there's

certain things in a movie that like kids, just

thinking of other Pixar films. that maybe that

kids may not completely understand that. And

I think that's, that's fine. Um, and I don't,

I don't, I think what I like about Pitcher is

that it has high expectations of its audience.

And it's like, you know what, this is, we're

not going to, we're going to go after some, like

just a 10 minute first 15 minutes of up for example.

And it's, it's, there's some like literally some

really tough things that it goes over. I think

that's a good thing. And, and I, I, It's hard.

Again, I'm saying that someone hasn't seen the

movie. Well, I think you'll enjoy it too. Like

I said, I'm trying to explain what my initial

reaction was, just seeing kids being upset around

me and not having the faith that the parents

were actually going to... Explaining to them

or use it as like I said like a teaching moment

or a parenting moment to kind of let them know

that what the film is saying is that it's okay

to be sad that the film is saying that you know

all our emotions do need to interact and we need

to acknowledge them etc which are all great points

and I'm not saying you know I think kids should

be exposed to like you're saying with the Jim

Henson being scared being sad etc and and not

Brainwashed into thinking that everything has

to be happy a hundred percent of the time I think

like I said, this is one of the best thematic

and conceptual like it's Giving a message is

probably one of the best messages I've seen in

an animated film. I just, like I said, I don't

know if that message is gonna come across to

some people, and I don't know if it was done

in the most entertaining way to keep people's

attention. I guess what I'm trying to equate

that is to, like, if you were, you could have

a lesson in a school, in a classroom, that is

literally talking about the most important thing

in the world. for that student, for that year,

for their future, or whatever. It's just a critical

lesson. It's about great material. But if that

message is not given to that student in an entertaining

or into a way that's gonna catch their attention

or give them something to grasp onto, it could

be lost on that student. And I hope that this

movie is not that. I hope that there's enough

there for kids of all ages to grab onto so that

that message is not gonna be lost on them. I

would love to have seen this as a younger child

and then rewatch it again as an adult. Yeah.

And like I said, I would have loved to watch

it as a 10 or 11 year old, but I don't know.

I don't have faith in me watching it as a six

year old if I would have been entertained or

if I would have even liked it maybe. But hopefully

I would have. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be hard

to go. I mean, just based upon what I've seen,

it's hard to make a movie that goes over some

of those topics for a six year old. I mean, it...

If maybe, you know, if maybe it's only for a

tenant above, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I mean, I look at something like Dumbo, that's

like, super sad. It has a lot of sad moments,

but I think it's probably something you would

say that, you know, kids of all ages could at

least understand the conflict that's there, because

it's a basic conflict they can relate to, because

it's like a big baby who wants to be with his

mom. So this might be a little bit more... What

age are most kids seeing Dumbo? I don't think

I was gung -ho about seeing that movie when I

was 10. I wanted to watch it when I was 6. Yeah,

yeah, and maybe you know, maybe Pixar is not

for there You know like you that's what like

Pixar has cars, right? Cuz that's like that's

the movie that does appeal to that audience I'm

gonna come around to eventually and on a rewatch

I'm probably gonna appreciate a lot more because

like I said Some of the things is just so amazing

as far as the concepts and the things that they're

going over And I think it's a very important

message to get to the kids for some reason I

just couldn't I didn't react to it Well, and

I think it's because I have no soul to me and

that's why I'm upset about it that it's pointing

out that I don't have a soul or emotions. You

don't have a good fall island. I do though, but

I think everybody's talking about how much maybe

I'm just in a bad mood about my car and stuff

like that because everybody's talking about like

you said tears the entire time trying to fight

back tears trying to I didn't well up one time

I cried during the Muppets take Manhattan what's

why couldn't this movie make me cry? There are

no Muppets? Is that the key that has to be among

those? I don't understand the hate for that short.

I actually enjoyed it. I thought it was good.

It might have been a tiny bit long, but it was

still a short. I don't know. I like the short

much more than most people and I thought the

music was cool during it and I thought it was

a cool symbol. but all right we've beaten inside

out to death so dan uh anything else you wanted

to bring up as far as what we've been watching

before we get to the homework uh the only other

thing i i don't think i can make this transition

be any less awkward. The only other documentary

that I watched was Hot Girls Wanted, talking

about a movie also not good for kids. It's currently

available on Netflix. It's a documentary about

basically the amateur porn industry, which I

know it's like, why are you watching this? But

it was interesting, produced by Rashida Jones.

It gets into that rise and just the world that

those people are in. And it's kind of the export,

just how they're exploiting these, you know,

Geralt's 18 to whatever. And it's pretty much,

I think, what you would expect it to be for the

most part. I mean, there were some surprising

revelations, mostly just had to turn around.

It's like a revolving door in how much and just

the kind of the... the the thing it does really

well though it does allow its characters to kind

of take control of the film and you have girls

that are currently like in the process of it

and specifically there's one who just recently

like started and you see her story and she's

kind of conflicted because she has a boyfriend

who wants her to stop and her mom finds out and

there's this really it's got to be one of the

more harder to watch moments when she's kind

of like talking to her mom about it and her mom's

trying to get her to stop and mom's also kind

of trying to find out exactly what it entails,

per se. It's hard to watch. But it's also hard

to explain to my wife why I just recently watched

Hot Girls Wanted on Netflix and tried to explain

that. No, it's a legit documentary. It's like,

yeah, after watching Shame and This for this

weekend, it's beginning to wonder. But no, it's

not anything that you would walk out of it pretty

much what you would expect though I'm surprised

like it a lot of it is in this one house all

these girls live in it's kind of a dump it's

you think you know they're talking about how

much money they're making and they're living

in like like a really bad like I would think

that's bad apartment for like a college dorm

it was it was really dumpy but uh I'll go six

out of ten Man I want to give it um right now.

I'm gonna give it an eight out of ten all right.

I will give it a Seven how to be that guy give

it a seven because I have faith Dan, did you

blame us for the fact that you had to watch Shame

to your wife? No. Luckily, I watched it when

she was out, so I didn't have to explain what

exactly I was watching, why I was watching Michael

Fassbender naked for two hours. All right. Well,

let's get into... Oh, wait. Did you have any

other ones, man? I didn't give you a chance to

say if you had any other films that you wanted

to watch or talk about or not. No, I don't think

so. Okay. Dan, did you have anything else besides

Hot Girls Wanted? No, we did not. That's a weird

sentence to say out loud. All right. Getting

into our homework assignments since we talked

about it, since you brought it up, Dan, let's

talk about Shame. This is the film that we gave

you as your homework assignment, but we also

had not seen it. So we watched it along with

you, not in the same room, but in the same week.

So we'll start with you, Dan. What are your thoughts

on the Michael Fassbender film, Shame? Shame

man. It's man this movie So this was I've seen

obviously to see McQueen film so far 12 years

of slave obviously in hunger and I this is certainly

much more in line of his first film hunger in

the sense that it's very It doesn't give you

much in the sense that it's you know Michael

Fenster plays this guy who clearly has a sex

addiction and you're really just just you know

and all sense of purposes is voyeuristic look

into his life and And I think, cinematically,

the movie is certainly well -made. I mean, Fast

Winter's performance is great. I forget her name

off the top of my head. But I think, acting wise,

all over the place, great performances. McQueen's

direction, spot on. He really knows how to use

a camera. But I think the issue that I came away

with the movie was... It's it always it feels

like it keeps you at a distance the entire time

like you're you're always just like Not involved

with this character. It was hard for me to be

sympathetic and I and that may be purposeful

because it's supposed to be a representation

of like how You know how he is as a person like

he basically is you know, he has no no His feelings

almost are just amylistic. There's no it's just

to him action and but it also had me like hard

to really when it got into moments in which there

were some emotional responses I felt at that

point like I didn't really have the reaction

that maybe it was supposed to have I didn't necessarily

feel like that I cared all that much at a point

it almost felt like redundant and again I think

that was purposeful but as a movie I just felt

like I can appreciate it but I don't think I

enjoyed it in a sense or felt an emotional impact

to what he was going through. I wish I got a

little bit more because I just felt self -inflicted.

I understood there was certainly a lot there

that we weren't privy to and you can read between

the lines on a lot of it. I think the craftsmanship

is great and I can see kind of the progression

of McQueen as a director. I just think what he

didn't have here that he had with Four Years

a Slave was the ability to really get you to

emote with the actors or really feel their struggle.

And I just kind of felt like I was just watching

a dude. Honestly, just at the point where I think

you could maybe cut this sex scene down a good

little bit. I think it just got redundant, I

guess, with the word in my mind. I think I'm

almost completely in line with what you're feeling

on this film was based on what you're saying

so far. But I think, Amanda, I think you were

a little bit higher than I was. So on this film,

what was your take on Shane? I did enjoy it,

not just for the Michael Fassbender effect is

what I'm going to call it. He's shaking his head

over here. I think that you're right, Dan. A

lot of his struggles seem to be self -inflicted,

and you did have to read in between the lines

a lot as far as what was going on. I was really

confused about the brother -sister relationship,

and I think you definitely did have to kind of

read into it on your own time, on your own terms,

I mean, to figure out what was going on there.

And I was trying to really understand... why

he was making such rash and angry decisions and

acting in such self -destructive ways and I just

finally had to accept the fact that he is so

frustrated and stressed in his life that he can

only seek solace and relief in these reckless

and unhealthy ways, and just kind of go along

the ride with him. I mean, I know myself, I get

a little down, I'm probably going to do a little

too much drinking and partying and all that good

stuff, but knowing that's not good for you and

you're still going to do it anyways, and obviously

he knows this stuff isn't right, but this is

what he wants to do to emote and find his solace.

Yeah, I just, I don't know. It was just weird

to me because, unlike Dan's saying, a lot of

this is probably intentional and done for a purpose.

But it was just hard to relate to any of the

characters in this film, especially, obviously,

Michael Fassbenders. It was hard to not just

relate to him, but relate to the people that

are interacting with him, because he doesn't

seem to even interact like anybody you've ever

interacted with in your real life. I mean, just

his everyday interactions outside of the sex

parts and the sex scenes, but just when he's,

you know, at a table with you or in the office

with you, like he was just like not even there.

It was just like the glossed over, like I'm not,

and I'm not saying that you don't, I guess, come

into contact with people that are dealing with

issues, whether it be depression or, you know,

bipolar or addictions to different things, but

it was just hard. I haven't specifically personally.

had interactions with someone like that, where

it seems like that's all they are every time

you interact with them. And it was just something

hard to find enjoyable for me because of the

relatability aspect, not saying, like Dan's saying,

not saying something that's not intentional,

not saying there's not a purpose there, not saying

it's not done well as far as a filmmaking standpoint.

I just couldn't quite get as much enjoyment that

I feel like a lot of other people got out of

this film. And I guess I think I've made a good

point regarding self -inflicted in the fact that

it is very true to life. I think that's certainly

not something that is... I think it's an accurate

depiction of someone who's probably going through

this. And I think that my issue was more so when

it wanted me to feel... For him or it wanted

it looked like it was going for more of the emotional

impact I got I was so numb at that point that

I don't know if I If I got there quite yet and

like yeah I did I did feel like I it was great

at representing what this guy who he was and

and I think you do get in his mindset a great

deal when it comes to just the kind of just how

Lost he feels or just how like it just it just

feels like there's nothing just like it's all

it's all just action with him there's like you

don't even it just doesn't just to fill a void

and I guess that I think was great at I just

I think he just wasn't able to then turn the

dial just quite enough and it came to like Some

of the bigger moments where it's like, okay,

you feel like he's eventually he's going he's

progressing. And when that progression becomes

regression, I don't know if I, it really went

beyond just, just, okay, that just happened.

Like that, like that, like I didn't necessarily,

I wasn't rooting, and not rooting for him is

a, is a, is maybe a lame term, but it, I just,

I thought that work can maybe have been done

just a little bit to provide more of an insight

to. to him like beyond just the sexual like where

where is it coming from and maybe that's not

the point of it per se i mean i would be interested

in in that aspect but i i i think i'm maybe becoming

more negative than i intend to and i at the end

of it i do feel like i was affected by it and

i do feel like okay this is this is something

that I get back to the original aspect originality

term like it's something maybe I haven't seen

before in in this like the movie that can maybe

comes to mind you're like Don John or uh thank

you for sharing which it's set around similar

ideas and I think they're certainly not nearly

as dreadful in in their execution as this and

I think that's effective in that way and I am

glad I saw it and I and I I don't think it's,

I think it's probably, if I were to look at McQueen's

filmography, I think Hunger's overall better

movie and I think 12 Years of Sife, obviously,

but I do think he has a unique style to him that

it is, it's like hard, it's hard to describe.

It's almost Christopher Nolan and just how distant

he makes the audience and sometimes it works

and sometimes it doesn't. And what score would

you give that one overall, Dan? I would go a

solid seven. I would give it a six and a half.

I thought you were higher than that. I'm right

in the same ballpark, six and a half, seven,

somewhere right in there. So in agreement on

shame, Dan, the homework you gave us was The

Way Back, which is about these individuals who

are escaping from a... Siberian prison war camp

and they're trying to make a make a run for freedom

for the border so to speak and it involves a

group of people that are then definitely diverse

a diverse group of people that were sent to this

to this war camp so you got an American in there

you have some Polaks Russians yes I mean you

have a group They're trying to travel 4 ,000

miles by foot across the desert, through the

mountains, et cetera, to try to reach... Through

the Himalayas to India. Right, in the Gobi Desert.

You have Ed Harris, you have Colin Farrell, you

have Mark Strong. Pretty impressive cast going

on here. Amanda, let's start with you. What did

you think about The Way Back? I really, really

enjoyed this movie. I liked it a lot more than

I thought I was going to. I was intrigued by

the cast. I like Colin Farrell. I mean, I think

he's good in his own right. Definitely a Mark

Strong fan. And also Gustav Skarsgård. He's in

Vikings as Floki, and I definitely dig that show,

so it was cool seeing him in another role. I

like him. And actually having... been in Poland

and seeing the death camps and the work camps

and seeing the actual structures that these people

lived in. It's easy for me to be able to visualize

the hardships and the struggles that they went

through being in these places, especially watching

movies like this where it's in your face. And

I think it really hit home with me as far as

my soft spot for movies of something can relate

directly back to me and my family and my family

did actually come to America because you know

the Nazis wanted our land in Poland and we had

to get the fuck out of there so it was it was

a cool family tie there and I really really liked

this troop of men that, I'm going to call them

a troop, a band of brothers, if you will. And

I think that it really did a good job of showing

how these men were, you know, falsely accused

and how they were actually good men and thrust

in this horrible situation. And it showed how

honorable they were several times throughout,

especially every time. somebody died, how they

treated that death as important, how they treated

each person in the group as somebody that they

were close to, a person of value to them, whether

it be because this person meant survival for

them or it meant companionship or just like how

they felt a closeness. in the fact that they

were sharing their enjoyment of the pictures

that the artist was drawing, and also how they

reacted when the young girl came into play. I

think they all really stepped up and showed that

they were good men, despite being in this prison

for these crimes that the Soviets deemed worthy

of disemprisonment, and I thought overall it

was a really great film. Yeah, I got a lot of

enjoyment out of this one as well. I think the

interesting thing here is that you have such

a diverse collection of people here from different

backgrounds, but you're also dealing with a...

it's not like your typical where they were all

fighters that were captured. You have, like you

said, an artist. You have people from completely

different backgrounds that you know, you wouldn't

think would be able to survive given the situation

or given the idea of trekking across the desert

and through the Himalayas and etc. etc. And it

really takes people that know nothing about each

other from completely different backgrounds forming

these bonds and being able to work together and

I think it's just an interesting situation that

we find them in. I think the performances in

this film are pretty impressive across the board.

The girl who, that name I can never say, Sorcy

Ronan or whatever. From her to, like we said,

Mark Strong, Colin Farrell. What was up with

Mark Strong? I thought he was going to be such

a huge part of this film and his ass doesn't

even have a camp. Yeah, that was interesting.

He bitched out. He went total bitch -face on

this. Jim Sturgis, who played the main character

that leads the charge there. But, I mean, there

were just impressive performances throughout.

And even though Inside Out didn't make me cry,

there was a moment in this film that I almost

did well up. Which one? I don't know if you saw

it or not, but it'd be somewhat of a spoiler

alert. But one of the individuals does die, as

I guess most of them you can expect to, since

it's based on a true story and they tell you

right off the... getting with the first scene.

That was one thing that I maybe disagreed with.

The first text that's put on the very first screen

maybe wasn't necessary to tell us exactly how

many people are going to survive. I could have

maybe done without that. Maybe we could have

put a spoiler alert in their own text. But anyways,

one of the people does die, like I said, as a

lot of them do. And just what they hung on his

cross almost hit me right in the gut. I thought

that was pretty sad. Maybe I didn't notice because

I blurted it out. Like, oh, it's so obvious,

but I blurted it out. That was probably helpful.

That helped me. Brought you back into it. Brought

me back into my moment. Took me away from it.

I think that Colin Farrell's... character it

was super anti -climatic anti -climatic this

dude I can't say it without spoiling it I guess

but it's like you're gonna go through that much

work and go all this way and then decide that

I was waiting for him to go out like a blaze

of glory or something but he's like and I'm gone

But I thought there was a lot of interesting

situations, choices, especially when you consider,

like Amanda was saying, how most of these individuals

are, if not all of them, are innocent. A lot

of them, you know, the Nazis or, I guess in this

case, the communists from the Soviet Union. We're

basically torturing people to sign confessions,

false confessions about them. So you had in one

case, it's the guy's wife that basically ends

up standing in the mirror for all intents and

purposes. Another one, you have a son that's

in the same situation. So I mean, just so awful.

But just to see these guys, not just from a physical

standpoint, being able to... deal with everything

they had to deal with, but from a mental standpoint,

it just would tear you down. So just a triumph

of the human spirit, I guess, is what this film,

the biggest message that I got out of it, as

well as the ability for just human beings. when

all else is torn away to be able to interact,

coexist, and just kind of the quest for survival

and for freedom. I think there's a lot of strong

messages here. I think maybe if I want to nitpick

that the movie might have benefited from about

15 to 20 minutes cut. Off from at one point or

another. Yeah, that's that's often Peter where

it's like you get probably cut down a little

bit Where it would have been or I don't mean

necessarily have a plan that you do this scene

wasn't needed or that scene wasn't needed But

just felt like overall you probably could have

cut back a little bit in that way and I would

have benefited the film but Overall, I really

enjoyed it too. Amanda. What score would you

give this one? I'll leave it a seven point five

and I am just being boring because I'm giving

every film about the same score So I'm gonna

be giving this one a seven to seven and a half

as well somewhere right in that Ballpark did

just to get your thoughts since I don't know

if you liked it or not. How did you like this

film? I do like it and I I watched it when it

came out like in 2010 or 2011 I just want an

interesting because it was a movie that really

it got no traction whatsoever. And it's coming

computer. Where is it? I who's a director I respect,

I love Master and Commander, and I think it was,

you know, it's maybe not, need to go back to

originality again, maybe the original idea of

people basically escaping and like that type

of epic type of journey, not really. doing anything

relatively new with it, but I thought it was

just done well, and like you mentioned, the biggest

thing I thought was interesting. A, it's a part

of history that's not often talked about, the

communist camps at that time, and then just the

characters themselves were intriguing to me,

a strong cast. Absolutely. All right, so I think

that does it for everything we were watching

in our homework from a couple weeks ago. Dan,

did you have anything for us for this next? I

think, yeah, and I think last time I gave you

options, I think I'll try to do the same thing

again. So, let's look at what we have here. So,

we have one movie directed by Colin Trevorrow,

who just recently did Jurassic World. Another

film, again, with another director who just came

out with a new movie, Maggala Horn, that also

came out earlier, you know, within this decade.

Let's see, and that's more of a comedy. And then

I would say, I'll preface this by saying it's

one that's a little hard to define because it's

not on Netflix or Hulu at the moment, but I think

it's on demand, but it's a... To me, one of the

better coming -of -age movies that have come

out in the last few years. Okay. Amanda, do we

want to pick the same movie or do we want to

each pick something different? I don't know.

I think we should pick the same. We haven't had

enough time fitting these in. All right. I think

my inkling would be to go with the coming -of

-age film. Are you okay with that? I guess. The

other options were more of a comedy and what

else? I guess more of a romantic comedy with

a science fiction element to it Kind of I mean

I know one of the films he's speaking of and

I have nothing against it But for some reason

I'm intrigued by the coming -of -age film. He

likes coming -of -age stories. We'll give him

that I guess we catered Want to go with then

the perks of being a wallflower have you either

you see I haven't seen that so it's been on the

list of things to watch and I've never done it

so glad to watch that one and I promise one day

I'm gonna get as creative as you Dan and give

you choices and and stuff like that because you're

definitely one helping us on on that one. Again

I will have to consult the list which I didn't

do in advance but I got two films hopefully you

have not seen at least one of them but the first

one I was wondering if you have seen is the movie

Blue is the Warmest Color? No, I have not it's

one that's been like in my queue forever And

I just look at the runtime and I'm like I don't

know But yeah, I've been that's what I want to

see before we do our list for sure So if you

need an extension because it's too long to watch

we'll give it to you, but that'll be This next

week so like that after shame I mean come on

now We'll let you figure that out. What? It's

about two young women who fall in love, and it's

very graphic, so yay for me. Don't give me those

eyes. You got those eyes. So now I'm in trouble,

Dan, you'll be in trouble. I'm sorry. Alright,

I'm going a quick look at what's coming out here

on Blu -ray next Tuesday, or what's coming out

into the theater. So get your mind out of the

gutter. These are the options, guys. I'm not

even thinking about it. He is. No, I'm reading

movie titles here on this list. So, in the theater,

as you guys are listening to this, is of course,

like we mentioned, it's big effect, Ted II, and

the, if anybody wants to get the feels, I guess,

from what I've heard here, the film Max. Anytime

you're thinking about getting the feels about

this movie, just remember the whole, it's the

air, it's the airbud of Michael Jordan of Docs

or whatever it was that you guys said. No, shut

up. This is like the sniper. American sniper

of dogs movie When I saw the truth, I thought

I thought it was a lifetime movie. It's not to

be I'm not like in a bad like it just seemed

like Not your but but one of those one of those

phones bomb eyes out in this preview She stands

no chance. She's like JD. They have a chance.

I mean it is it's a dog movie and a soldier movie

I mean it is gonna it's gonna be a lot of tears

What's it over under in that dog dying? Have

you decided that? Alright, so Ted 2 and Max in

theaters this weekend. As far as limited releases

or video on demand, we got the documentary we

talked about a few weeks ago, Back Kid Begins.

We got Into the Grizzly Maze with Thomas Jane,

Billy Bob, Piper, Parabo. Dan, did you know Bart

the Bear is an actor? Yeah, there's a documentary

about him. I've never seen the documentary. I

had to pull up his IMDB. It even had his height,

weight, and everything. I feel like it's a full

-length documentary, but yeah, there's a lot

of stuff about him. He literally lists his height

on IMDB. He's like four Tom Cruises. Flesh or

flesh, fresh, dressed. which is a documentary

on... See? Your mind's in the gutter, you dirty,

dirty pig. Fresh Dress, which is a documentary

on hip -hop, the fresh style of clothing that

they wore, featuring Pharrell and some of them

cats. The Midnight Swim, a borrowed identity

elimination game, Murder in the Park, seven minutes.

Glass Chin, starring Corey Stowell, who is owned

by somebody in the fantasy family. Escobar Paradise

Lost, with Benicio Del Toro. The director...

Alan Rickman also starring in a film called A

Little Chaos with Kate Winslet. You got a film

called Big Game starring Samuel L. Jackson, The

Little Death, and a film called Felt. So those

are all out in limited or video on demand release

type things. And then coming out next Tuesday

on DVD slash Blu -ray, you have, hold your breath

guys, The Gunman Combo Pack. I gotta watch that

before we do our top five of the year so far.

Do me a favor, I've been dying to hear somebody's

opinion that only watches the first two -thirds

of the film. So watch two -thirds of it and then

shut it off and give me your opinion. While We're

Young, Kumiko the Treasure Hunter, the film last

night's KNIGHTS starring Morgan Freeman and Clive

Owen. Get Hard, and Danny Collins. So, Dan, if

you could only buy one or watch one, and that's

your only chance to either see it in the theater

or to own it, what are you gonna do? Ah, man,

I have not seen... I've heard good things about

Danny Collins, so I'd probably check that out.

Amanda, what about you? Um, I'm gonna say I am

going to see Ted... in theaters. It was a tie

between Max and Ted 2, but I know that I'm going

to go see Ted 2, so I'm just going to go with

what I actually am in real life going to do.

I'm not saying I'm not interested in seeing Ted

2 eventually, but if I only had this one option

to buy Danny Collins to have a repeat viewing

of that, I have to take advantage of it, so I

will bypass everything else and go grab Danny

Collins. I do want to see Githard, though. All

right. You can't. You just chose to see Ted 2.

Sorry. Alright. Alright, fantasy land. My mind's

not in the gutter, you sick perv. Alright, I

haven't said or done anything in the last time.

He's bringing you down, Dan. Don't let him bring

you down. He'll ruin your marriage. I'm not trying

to do that. We had a lot of good interaction

on the website. Some people commenting both on

our Jurassic World conversation as well as a

couple of the other episodes we've done recently.

So definitely liked the talk there, the discussion

that's going on there. Big long comment about

our Jurassic World review actually that I really

enjoyed reading and interacting with that individual

I haven't checked recently some of the other

sites were now featured on to see if there's

been any recent feedback Dan have you at all?

I Have we have not so hopefully we'll be getting

some feedback there, too If you if you're listening

to us from the blog talk radio website Anybody

have a question for next week that they wanted

to ask the listeners? I think we should tie it

in with our originality discussion. Definitely.

I mean, I would... We can have something in line

of how important originality is to you when you

watch films. Yeah, absolutely. How much do you

value originality, or can you see the value of...

Or can you still see originality in a franchise

or in a sequel, reboot, and like Dan said, with

all his good points there, if you agree or disagree.

Be interested in that. for people to interact

with that. Quick teaser, though, for next week's

episode. Well, first of all, before we tease

that down, we should take care of a little business

and make sure that people are aware that we have

something else going on as well. So what else

did we start this last week that people might

want to keep an eye out for? Well, we kind of

I think we talked about a little bit during the

episode, but we are doing our Quentin Tarantino

retrospective, basically, which involves us going

through his filmography and reviewing movies

one by one. Next week, well up right now is our

introduction episode where we talk about basically

our history with Tarantino and what we're coming

into this as. And then next week we'll be doing

the first movie in the franchise or in the series

as we look at Reservoir Dogs. So it should be

a lot of fun. So definitely keep an eye out for

those and let us know what you feel about those

retrospectives. and going forward with that and

then to quickly tease what we're going to be

doing next week we're going to be taking a break

from our normal format a little bit in our main

attraction and throughout the show and we're

going to be taking a look back at the year so

far so the first half of 2015 and we have some

fun things planned for that we're not going to

give away everything but there's going to be

some different categories and things that we

discuss not to mention obviously the highlight

which will be our top films of the year so far

so you definitely don't want to miss that as

It's going to be a fun conversation on next week's

episode. Amanda, anything you want to say before

we close this episode out? Any last thoughts?

No, you're sleeping in the shed. I'm sleeping

in the shed. Dan, any last thoughts from you

or anything you want to bring up beforehand?

I know. I would just say thanks for listening.

Yeah, absolutely. And like always, if you want

to interact with us, go to the website, TKCastRadio

.com, find the episode post, and make a comment

there. And one of us will definitely interact

with you there. You can also follow each one

of us on Twitter. Dan, your Twitter is? At Smoothie

Revolts. Amanda, your Twitter is? HardCandyMandyEyesNoWise.

And my Twitter is OptimusSolo. The show Twitter

is? I just forgot it. Cinema Geekcast. And definitely

follow on that because all of us will interact

with you. It's not always me. It might mostly

be me, but it will be all of us. And we try to

post some fun stuff throughout the week. I've

started something where I'm posting synopsises

of... films that are available on demand from

2015. I'm trying to find the most ridiculous

films out there, so I'm posting pictures of those.

You can interact with those as well. The big

show, Dean Cain movie, is going to be hard to

top. That's got to be one of the best for the

year so far. But I have a few more that I've

saved that I haven't posted yet, so you can follow

us. If you follow the show, you'll be privy to

that, amongst some other things. And we'll keep

you up to date with everything that's going on

with the show. You can also follow the network

on Facebook at Geekcast Radio. network, search

that out. But I think that does it for it. For

now, thanks for listening to us. We hope you'll

tune in next week to take a look at the year

so far. But for now, we're going to sign off,

and thanks for listening to the Cinema Geeks.