Season 4 Recap and Future Plans

Can Michael Jackson moonwalk? Knight Rider, a

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Hello Hey, we've made it to the recap of season

four. It looks like yes recap of Knight Rider

classic season four and I almost Episode 31 came

out last week and I before it even came out.

I saw a news item online and I was like God damn

it, I already edited episode 31, son of a bitch!

I was like, I was gonna mess you, I'm like, yeah,

we gotta get on this right now about this news

item, but it isn't that, it wasn't that important,

so I didn't message you. But, um, yeah, there's,

uh, and surprisingly, I, uh, a buddy of mine,

Steve Megatron, who helps run, who co -founded

GCRN with me, um, he actually found this before

I did, and it is not a news story from Night

Rider Online at all. um surprise surprise screen

rant dot com arrested development writer to pen

knight rider movie kit will ride again according

to a new report the Weinstein company is moving

forward on an adaptation of the hit 1980s tv

show knight rider and has hired writer director

Brad Copeland to pen the project the show which

featured David Hasselhoff as agent Michael Knight

and more importantly a badass talking Pontiac

Trans Am named kit ran for four seasons from

82 to 86. It was also rebooted as a TV series

in 2008, but only lasted one season. Notice that

they don't mention the 90s bullshit. Thank God!

The Los Angeles Times was the first to report

the news, noting that the film is being conceived

as somewhat higher budget, more action -oriented

movie than Weinstein's typical prestige fare.

Copeland is best known for his work on Arrested

Development, and he also wrote the 2007 comedy

Wild Oh boy. Given the success of Fast and the

Furious franchise, which practically everyone

loves, it makes sense to move forward on a film

that's most significant feature is its super

awesome car. That being said, what made Kit cool

in the 80s isn't necessarily that innovative

anymore. In a world where you can ask your iPhone

to not only find out movie times, but map out

directions to the theater, the gimmick of a talking

car just isn't that impressive. On the other

hand, if the filmmakers were to take the movie

in a different direction and made a fun action

comedy homage to Knight Rider, they could have

a big hit on their hands. Just consider the success

of 21 Jump Street. That film took a dramatic

concept, police officers going undercover as

high school students, and turned it on its head

by making it a point about the absurdity of the

premise. It's easy to imagine a Knight Rider

film taking a similar approach, and given his

background as a TV comedy writer, perhaps that's

the direction Copeland is planning. In either

case, David Hasselhoff will surely be pestering

the studio for a role in the remake, and if he

does, you can count on the movie doing huge business

in Germany. Stay tuned for more names on the

Knight Rider movie. It doesn't say you know I

Know I know they tried to get him to do it for

2008, but he couldn't because of schedule issues

He couldn't for scheduling issues Yeah, and I'm

gonna actually look at the Los Angeles Times

coverage of this just to make sure cuz small

screen rant I believe they are pretty Pretty

accurate when I see LA Times or New York Times,

obviously, that's the The most legit you're gonna

get. Right. How to craft a new car. The show's

kit was renowned for its ability to talk. But

yeah, no, I mean, that's cool. And honestly,

what else is... What else is the Weinstein Company

or Universal even gonna do right now? Because

honestly, Universal, their big film franchise

is Fast and the Furious. That's their big thing

right now unless, you know, Bond 24 comes up.

You know what I mean? So it's like... You know,

what else are they going to do? I don't know.

I think it would be kind of cool. You know, I

was talking to you off air. I want to approach

or I want to somehow get an interview with one

of the... people in charge over at IDW comics

and I had this idea that There could be an ongoing

comic book series about Knight Rider that would

combine the elements of the classic series and

the 2008 series and have new adventures of Michael

Knight senior and his son Yeah, Michael Knight

jr. Right going around doing you know The one

man or two men can make a difference thing with

Knight 2000 being kit and the night 3000 also

being kit but it would be you know obviously

would be the two different designs it would be

the trans am and the mustang so yeah that's that

was the news item and my idea that i had for

this week and uh after this we're going to get

into our um recap of season four here's something

i was going to say here's something i meant to

ask you off air before we hit the turbo boost

and that was Why not put Michael Knight Jr. in

Kit 4000? I understand that that was... No, no,

no, no, no, no. No? No. Because you look at that

car, that car compared to today's standards is

not futuristic at all. Oh, really? Yeah. I haven't

read the specs on it, so I don't know. The Knight

4000, it looked... Because the whole point of

Knight Rider 2000, the 1991 reunion film was...

that it was set in the future from that like

say it was set at this point 10 years ago year

2000 right what the events of the film is what

i mean yes it was released in 1991 but we the

way the way that film plays out is we were made

to think it was a not necessarily utopian future

but a a future time beyond what knight rider

classic was um and it just Cars have not evolved

like that car did I mean it would it would be

kind of cool But I much prefer the Mustang over

over the night 4000 the Mustang is so much cooler

and it transforms so And then it does keep it.

It does keep the black look, you know Yes up

to up to the Pontiac standard. It's not a Pontiac

No, but it does keep the black look. Oh, yeah,

you know, you still have that classic look, but

I just was you know thinking I meant to ask out

there what about the 4000 but that does make

sense to put it in the mustang yeah no 4 000

doesn't matter let's hit the turbo boost all

right they got a head start it's a real good

time for super pursuit mode oh good As always,

first up is favorite moments from season 4. For

me, anything to do with Scent of Roses the entire

episode. Definitely agreed there. Amazing moments

with the entire Foundation family. It wasn't

just this person had a moment or that person

had a moment or Kit had a moment or this had

a moment. It was everything about that. Well,

the whole episode in its entirety I liked because

you didn't have to take away from the emotional

moments of the episode. They stuck with the whole

plot. There was no villain of the week There

really wasn't I know I really it was it was all

personal it was We've said before in the podcast

We wish both of us You know TFG one and myself

wish that NBC had ended this on this particular

episode Unfortunately, they didn't but that's

neither here nor there The point is that this

was a good episode all around and if we were

if we were using a scale factor of ten I'd give

it a ten, but we're not we're doing you know

kit cars, but it's still a good episode to watch.

Oh it is yeah Other favorite moments for me is

kit goes Hollywood. I Love that that was that

was cool He's got his tinted windows. Yeah, I'm

wearing my sunglasses, Michael. Evil Kit was

just awesome. I ain't your pal. I love Evil Kit.

Killer Kit. What was really interesting about

season four was, and I know you never, I know

you like it, but it's not one of your favorite,

like your most favorite, Night Song, Kit training

the new addition. That was awesome, him training

the new edition. I love that. That was so cool.

Now remember, know your lines, and remember not

to bump into the furniture. Yeah, know your lines.

And Charlie driving Mr. Kit, that was just awesome.

That was awesome. It was freaking awesome. And

there are so many more moments that I didn't

list, but I mean, season four had a lot of really

cool moments. What about you? What are some of

your favorite moments from season four? Well,

you know, Night Song, that particular episode,

was awesome you know obviously like you said

charlie connor's driving car you see new edition

and uh that type of thing and um you know actually

kind of rc coming back to the neighborhood that

he left yeah you know so we kind of get to see

his old stomping grounds yeah and and also in

this episode i think we get to see rc shine a

little more You know since he gets to be you

know, he is a part of flag obviously and we get

to see him done We get to see him shine in this

episode. Oh, yeah So much anything else for favorite

moments, let's see The fact the fact that at

least one of the favorite the funniest moment

was a night song when the police officer is looking

at Charlie driving kit and he's like, what the?

How many? And I guess one of my other favorite

moments when he's talking slang and that was

in Night of the Juggernaut when he's getting

rebuilt. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, strut my stuff,

strut my stuff. Does he talk like that? No. No,

he does not always talk like that. No, he doesn't

always talk like that. He's picked up a few co

-op liaisons during his reprogramming. Oh, that

was great. Yeah, that was awesome. We actually

get to hear... I guess one of my favorite moments

is we get to hear the recycled Goliath noise.

Yeah, they they use that often after after Goliath

died, right? That's still interesting it is For

least favorite moments, I really do I have one

that's I mean good honestly I will give Knight

Rider one decent thing about about season four

You know the previous three seasons one of my

biggest least favorite moments is too many corrupt

cop episodes too many corrupt judges episodes

corrupt towns people episodes There was maybe

one or two or three out of 22 episodes in season

four there wasn't that many but the biggest least

favorite moment for me is the severely lackluster

series finale this I Can't say enough of how

dumb it was do night to have voodoo night be

yeah Last episode people see on television for

that show I really like we've said I we think

you know you and I have said that we thought

that Scent of roses should have been it I mean,

yeah after all, you know kit says where are we

going Michael and Michael says we're going home

kit We're going to family. We're going to the

foundation Yep, and you know voodoo night. I

think that should have just been one of those

episodes. You stuck in the middle somewhere Yep,

pretty much. Yeah Did you have any other? Least

favorite moments that in any of the episodes

that really like frustrated you to all hell night

of the rising Sun the entire episode for me at

least I just it Don't know. I mean they're just

that whole lot that whole plot just yeah Yeah,

there's just strange all right, so moving on

to favorite characters now I actually did single

out two of the foundation family for specific

episodes Bonnie for sky night because that's

pretty much all her Yes, it is stuck in a friggin

airplane. You know kit hasn't learned to fly

yet Well, she's taken hostage, but Yeah, well,

yeah, but I know what you're saying. I know what

you're saying airplane is stuck in the air kit

Turbo boost doesn't go that high. No, it doesn't

go to 29 ,000 feet An RC for killer kit RC and

killer kit was that was like the first time really

that he kinda got to step out of his shell, obviously

he got to step out of his shell in Night Song,

but like, after Michael took his bike, at the

end of the episode when they teamed up to get

Michael back into Kit, that was the first time

that R .C. really had any... He had his shining

moment there. Yeah, he's a really good shining

moment and I mean I guess you could say he had

a couple of shining moments and scent of roses

But like killer kit was like, hey, let's have

RC do some stuff Other favorite characters. I

really liked Nordstrom and Hauer Nordstrom and

Jim Hauer. I like those villains. Those are some

really damn cool. They were I thought that was

great and yeah the the Quote -unquote relationship

Nordstrom has with Dr. Von first is just creepy

as all hell And of course Stevie, you know any

any time Stevie came back with absolutely one

of my favorite villains Actually was the Phantom

in Fright Night Robert England Yeah, he did a

really good job with that role. Obviously Howard

Nordstrom Was Excellent Just just I mean like

you said Stevie Stevie was great Even though

she died in the sin of roses, but still she was

she was great in that episode. I Actually, you

know, I did like RC having his moments he had

some good moments and You know, I'm really kind

of glad that they highlighted twice, you know,

RC's moments because you kind of got to see him

go to his old neighborhood. First, you meet him

in Night of the Juggernaut, and then you meet

him in Nightsong because they go back to the

old neighborhood to say, you know, RC's wanting

to save one of the historic pieces of the old

neighborhood where he grew up at. Right. So.

All right. For least favorite characters. The

nerd, Elliot. Nuff said a dumb fucking bicycle.

Oh my god that kid Durant No, I like you like

Durant I like well I can't say he's the least

favorite No, I can't say he's the least favorite

but I guess kind of You kind of you're kind of

like, okay what? Well, it is not necessarily

that I like him, but I like because I like everything

about scent of roses right obviously He was the

villain in that and You know everything that

happened in that was just an awesome thing right?

He wasn't one of these douche like there's a

difference between Michael getting shot and kit

having to instruct the EMTs Then there is to

kit falling into an acid pit from some moron

who's trying to pollute the entire world in John

Byrock so I would say like for a least favorite

character besides that dumb fucking kid Elliot

who got the girl twice his age yeah yeah she

could almost be in his friggin mom yes um I would

say probably what in in in um well he was junkyard

dog let's see the villain yeah yeah that's John

Byrock yeah I would say that he would probably

be the least favorite character the least yeah

yeah along with elliot yeah i understand what

they were trying to do with that episode but

that didn't work elliot's episode is yeah there's

not a damn thing right about that episode at

all it just isn't hell the funny thing is i don't

remember the goddamn episode's title is i just

remember the fucking elliot night nerd uh oh

yeah stop reminding me All right, we're gonna

take a quick break here's some audio and we'll

come back with episodes. We loved and hated after

this So we're gonna talk about episodes we love

and episodes we hate episodes we love for me

Obviously night of the juggernaut scent of roses,

right? I really did like Kidnap, I thought that

was a cool episode. The Wrong Crowd, Night Sting,

Many Happy Returns, Killer Kit, Night Song, and

Fright Night. Those are the episodes, those...

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... Those 9 or 10 episodes are,

out of 22, are the 9 or 10 that I will always

watch. And out of those, there's probably...

Well, I know there's two at least well three

actually night of the juggernaut sin of roses

and killer kid of the top three that I will watch

Any any time I will go back and watch those at

any time you mark the same ones that you liked

I Marked the same ones. Yeah. Yeah But no, they

were all great episodes fright night was was

interesting and and like I said when we talked

about fright night last week at first i was like

oh god phantom episode no and then i like really

watched it and paid attention and it was really

really interesting i really got to like it so

it was very very awesome um for episodes we hate

voodoo night is one of them oh yeah that's that's

the biggest sore point but i think we've run

that joke into the ground just um for me the

rest of them Uh, neither rising sun burial ground

night racer night of a thousand devils hills

of fire and night flight to freedom That's seven

seven and uh, I don't know so there I would say

I like about eight eight out of the seven Eight

well eight out of 22 and I absolutely hate seven

out of 22. So that's 15 right there the other

Six or seven are just kind of yeah, they're kind

of there Yeah, they're just kind of there. What

about you for ones you didn't like? Same ones

really. Oh, yeah It's just you know, you wouldn't

I mean, okay you recognize that they're there,

but I don't think you'd go back and watch them

again Yeah, no, not at all And the thing is like

I know Knight Rider was a weekly Crime drama

television show I get it back then they didn't

have like it's not like today where you can look

at It's not today where you can look at say a

USA Network show and the one I like is white

-collar Oh, that's a good one. Yeah where they

go They start at season and they build the stories

every season and they have one long continuous

continuity. They didn't do that stuff back in

the 80s. Yes, there is continuity in Knight Rider

Classic. Yes, there are also your weekly villains

and dumbass plots and alligator fights with Kit

and whatever else, but I understand that the

style back then wasn't, hey, we need to start

from point A. to get to point B to finish out

this story. I get that it wasn't like that back

then. Right. At the same time, I can always go

back and rework it to where it is. We'll talk

about that in a couple of weeks. But yeah, no,

season four overall, I would say out of 22 episodes,

having eight episodes that I could pretty much

watch at any time is damn good. considering if

you look back on our previous season recaps there's

maybe five great like ones that i could actually

watch in each season right um but no season four

was was it was damn good and it was it was damn

awesome and i mean come on super pursuit mode

that's you know that's the best right there it

is and i was hoping that you know maybe they

would have picked up for One more season. I know

that there was a rumor that there was going to

be as I said before in a previous podcast, but

Unfortunately, there wasn't they made they did

they did? Make out, you know with four seasons.

They did crank out four seasons You know Like

we've said before Santa Rosa should have been

at the end it wasn't so, you know, you just Rework

it to where you want to see certain episodes

in a certain order, you know Yep, or I just watch

those episodes and ignore everything else exactly

Overall it's you know, we're you know, we're

pretty much at the end of Knight Rider classic

We're recapping season 4 here overall. It's been

It's been interesting to see Just like his like

I said, you know back in the old days Even like

a year or two after Knight Rider went off the

air you still saw Majority of the same episodes

on reruns like it is a lot like it was the longest

time more I had never seen burial ground That

even though it's a crappy episode the one about

the yeah the Indian tribe the spooky Indian tribe.

Yeah Hello, my name is happy All I'm gonna say

is foamy the squirrel and tech support that's

just yeah tech support. I'm sorry. I cannot help

you click But but no going back and watching

this this series from beginning to end was really

really interesting and as I said before in a

Couple of weeks or might even be a couple of

months time When we do the overall series recap

I'll have more to say about it then and we'll

talk more about it then but It's been a fun ride.

What about you? It has been a fun ride We've

had some great highlights Some bad lowlights,

unfortunately, but that's just the way it is,

you know Season one through four started out

with a great highlight and They all started out

with a bad lowlight too. So, you know and there

should have been episodes that should have been

Placed elsewhere and it's like we said You know,

maybe they should have listened to David and

You know specific areas where the episode should

have been and see this That's my question is

really is because I I remember listening to a

commentary track on the DVD set When I had the

DVD set a couple of years ago don't have it now

but I had the DVD set and I heard a commentary

on there with Glenn and David. Right. And my

question is Glenn's the creator and I know you

create something, you take it to a network, and

then they say, oh sure, we'll do it, but we want

this, this, this, this, and this to be this way.

What I'm saying is why didn't because the way

Glenn made it sound is oh, yeah I wanted it to

be that way, but the network didn't so I just

kind of get why wouldn't you have fought more?

To have your best episode of that season the

one that basically as we've already stated in

the show it basically Gives you a reason to want

to come back Why wouldn't you have fought more?

I certainly would have Yeah, I know I don't understand

it. Maybe it was politics. I don't get it You

know to television back then was so much different

than the way it is now, right? But yeah overall

season four is a good season it is You know if

you if you really think about it eight really

eight or nine really good episodes out of 22

That's not that bad. No, it ain't that half bad

at all but it's been uh... it's been a fun ride

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It's Michael Long. I'm not sure I want to live

out my life as Michael Knight anymore. Well,

it won't be easy to leave, Michael. We are back.

And a couple of announcements. I personally,

as much as I love Knight Rider at this point

in time, I'm Knight Rider'd out. The show will

be going on a brief hiatus Maybe six or seven

months. I don't know yet It just honestly depends

because the next episode we're going to do is

Knight Rider 2000 Except there is nowhere online

where I can find it digitally To actually purchase

the damn thing There is no single DVD of Knight

Rider 2000 Don't have a VCR anymore, so I'm not

gonna buy the old VHS off Amazon. That's not

happening The only place I can get it is the

Knight Rider complete series box set and right

now that's going for about a hundred bucks or

so on Amazon and I don't have an extra hundred

bucks, so We've got some other stuff coming up

with the geek cast radio network that I really

need to focus my my attention on and While this

has been fun every week over the last oh She's

here Yeah, almost a year. While this has been

fun doing it, I've got so much other stuff that

I need to kind of focus on. Plus, I kind of need

to step away to kind of prepare myself for the

shitstorm that is Team Knight Rider. I'm just

not ready for that shitstorm at all. Just not.

But we will be back. I don't know. I'm gonna

say tentatively October We may release night

2000 on Halloween Talk about a Halloween night

That's just so bad I know right yeah You're just

yeah, yeah yeah so so we are gonna go on a brief

hiatus but we will be back and we will be covering

team Knight Rider and oh god help us Any other

final words you want to say? Well, it has been

a fun ride. And sitting here with TFG1 Mike and

recording this podcast for all you guys that

are listening, we certainly thank you for your

support and all the compliments and comments

that you guys have left. You know, I know that,

of course, the day before, usually on a Saturday,

I'm broadcasting and that's three hours. And

then, you know, I come back in, put my headphones

on and I'm sitting here with TFG one and we're

what? It's about an hour. Yeah, we record this,

something like that. But, you know, that's none

of the nonetheless. It's it's fun. It's awesome.

It's been awesome. But, you know, like he said,

you know, I kind of need to step away and do

some other things and, you know. You know try

to focus my attention on other stuff. You know

maybe some other sound projects. You may hear

me on You know keep your ears open Keep your

eyes glued to the net. You'll never know I always

tweet you guys can follow me on Twitter the music

man 08 But this has been fun. This is really

been fun. It's been awesome I hope that we can

do, you know, Knight Rider 2000 very soon. I'm

just not ready for it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we will.

Like I said, I'm not ready for Team Knight Rider.

I'm just not ready for it. I don't think anybody's

ready for Team Knight Rider. Honestly, there

was a comment somewhere on my Facebook where

a buddy of mine, JT from Saskatoon, he said,

holy crap, you're doing Team Knight Rider? I'm

like, yup. He said, you're a braver man than

I am. I said, I know. It's because I'm not from

Canada. But no, and it was one of those things

when I originally created the podcast, it was...

I wanted to go through the entire history of

television of Knight Rider, which sadly has to

include Team Knight Rider. It does. Well, when

you brought me onto this project, I was all for

it. I was like, why the hell not? Nobody else

has been able to do it. I know that there was...

There are several other Knight Rider podcasts.

Right. I believe... Shadowy Flight. I don't know.

There's Shadowy Flight. There was one that was,

you know... done by someone that I know. And

that's actually how you and I met, believe it

or not, was through that former podcast. Yeah.

I mean, there's been several Knight Rider podcasts,

but even the Shadoway Flight podcast, I don't

think they went in the order that we're going

in, where we start at the beginning and we go

to the end. Because I think what they were doing,

Back in 2008 is and I could be wrong. I'd have

to look this up on iTunes. I think they were

Reviewing a classic episode one week and then

reviewing two of the new episodes At the time

of the 2008 series, but I could be wrong about

that, you know I'm gonna have to look that up,

but it's just one of those things where To my

knowledge there isn't a night rider podcast out

there besides beyond the night that is going

from the beginning all the way to what the current

ending is of Alright, so we hope you enjoyed

this episode of Beyond the Night and wish you'll

join us next time sometime in October maybe around

Halloween when we'll be reviewing Knight Rider

2000 and then the week after that we'll be taking

on the first three episodes of Team Knight Rider

those being Fallen Nation, The Magnificent TKR,

and The A -List. That's just... yeah. I love

it when a plan comes together. For now, how are

you doing, Mike? Beyond the Music Man 08. Kit,

close the show. I can't seem to get it out of

my mind. You may break, you may shatter the vase.

But the scent of the roses will hang round it

still. The scent of the roses will linger forever.