Black Stone Cherry Across the Decades

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to episode 196 of Geekcast Radio. I am of course

TFU and Mike. Joining me once again is Mr. Terry

Smith. Hello, sir. Good afternoon, Mike. Good

to be here again. Yes, of course. A second week

in a row. Who would have thought? So as hopefully

everyone has heard my episode of Music Talks,

Terry's show where he has a guest on and they

pick a song for each of the decades of their

live. Lives, oh boy, decades of their lives.

That's kind of like the next days of our lives.

Oh God, no, don't go down that rabbit hole. All

right, and I had Terry on last week and he got

a chance to redo his list and then I thought

of a way, just like most of your other listeners

have thought of ways to twist your format. to

fit something very specific but to put it into

your format. So you can't do this with every

band. You're never gonna be able to. Again, for

me, going back to Hall and Oates, there's no

way I could fit a Hall and Oates song into each

and every decade. I mean, maybe you could start

with a band and luncheonette and then go forward,

but there's no way any Hall and Oates songs would

fit into the 60s. That's true. and there are

not a lot of bands out there whatever music style

it is rock pop rap reggae whatever scott we there's

not a lot of bands that you can fit and i'm like

hmm well there is one that i think could uh so

the reformatting your format i'm taking your

format i'm putting one band's basically not necessarily

their entire discography, but basically one song

from each of their albums, well not each, I go

back and forth between, to fit in each of the

decades. And that band is Blackstone Cherry.

They're a southern rock, southern hard rock band

from Kentucky. You had had on, was it episode

seven? I think it was... The episode with Paul,

I think Paul Simpson was talking about The Southern

Rock stuff some of the Kentucky stuff. I heard

him mention several bands that I know Yeah, anything

and I'm like, well, wait a minute Blackstone

Cherries right there I first found out about

them somewhere around 2011 which was their third

album release between the devil and the deep

blue sea They've been around since they've been

a band since 2001 I go back to their songs all

the time from all of the albums. In their entire

discography there may be two songs. That I don't

think fit only because there were bonus tracks

and they came after the end of what was a really

good ending song on on an album. Right. So I

had you listen to this. I had you listen to the

playlist I put together and I, and I'll, I'll

freely admit folks, this is my podcast and I'll

do what I want to. Uh, I've put two bonus tracks

in here too. So we basically have nine tracks,

what used to be a full on cassette tape. For

those of you who don't know, cassette tapes were

these hard plastic things with very thin tape

that broke. And it's funny, it's kind of like,

you can break the tape, but you can't break the

actual casing. Well, you can, but you have to

take a hammer to it. It's not like folding a

CD in half. So yeah, we've got nine tracks here.

7 of which are for decades starting from the

60s going all the way into the next decade the

2020s because I'm like oh this is the end of

this decade the 2010s is almost over we have

less than two and a half three months and we're

going into a new decade so why not add in an

additional song And then I've got two songs after

that because one of them really means a lot.

It really is one of those songs that it just

feels like it's a song not just for a specific

decade, but for all decades. And then the final

song, as we'll get to it once I hand this over

to you and you do your music talk thing with

me again, the final song is just a really good

upbeat rock song that has a good message in it.

Take me to the 60s Terry Thank you, Mike. Well,

I have to say before we time travel back to the

60s I love the fact that you said that You you

know other guests have twisted the format means

other guests have tweaked it a little They've

tinkered with it Can I point out, and I hope

you can hear me laughing, I'm absolutely fine

with this, although I was really confused when

I got your first mail and I'm like, what? So

I mean, what you've done is you've taken the

format, you've then chosen songs for decades

you weren't alive in, you've chosen songs for

decades we haven't yet lived in, and you've done

it with one band. God bless you. God bless you.

And I think we should come up with a new word,

which is you've blancharded it. That's right.

I've been blancharded. That's right. You have.

And here's the thing. Yes, I've chosen songs

for decades that I wasn't alive. I was born in

1980. The basis of your podcast is a guest chooses

a song for each decade that they've been alive.

Here's the thing. We've no matter when we were

born, we've all been influenced by music that

came before us. Yeah, and in fairness I do have

I think I'm recording it in about two or three

weeks But I do have a young guy coming on the

on the program who? He is actually choosing choosing

music. He's 24, but he's choosing music from

the 60s onwards because he's a real aficionado

actually a guy born in Jordan would you believe

and He it certainly convinced me when he sent

his sent his lips through and it was white rabbit

Stephen Wolf, sorry, White Rabbit, Jefferson

Airplane for the 60s and Boney M for the 70s.

So I'm deciding that this podcast, you know,

you see those, I know you're a great film lover.

You see those films that say loosely based on

true events. So for those listening, this is

a podcast loosely based on something called Music

Talks. So let's go back to the 60s. Unlike you,

I was alive, albeit relatively young, but talk

us through, I guess, your view of the 60s, Mike,

and then... you know how it looks to you and

I guess then how that informed your choice from

Blackstone Cherry which by the way I do think

is a great choice. I've really enjoyed listening

to them over the last week but focus through

that. My first two choices one for the 60s one

for the 70s could almost be flip -flopped really.

The 60s Choice is their song called The Rambler.

This is from the 2016 Kentucky album. This is

a song that... It... It makes me think of all

of those artists that traveled to Woodstock.

All of those bands that showed up to play that

historic event. Um... I mean, because Woodstock

was a big thing for music. Oh, it was massive.

It was massive. It was three days. It was, you

know, just everything. And then I thought of,

you know, just in general, nowadays, even back

then, you think of musicians having to travel,

whether they're married, whether they have kids

or not. And then you think of those musicians

who were lucky enough back then to get airplay.

Because not a lot of them got airplay not a lot

of the I mean a lot of the good ones did obviously

but radio back in the 60s was completely different

than what radio is now or You should have used

to been living in the UK my friend You know we

used to get misty -eyed about American radio

and how much variety you had I mean we had We

had pirate stations in the early 60s which were

boats that sat 50 miles off the English coast

because then they weren't in under English law

or British law they got they then the government

then changed the law in 1967 and then the BBC

launched something called Radio One which was

this is this is our channel for the young folk

we're going to play some of that walk and roll

music so yeah we we were absolutely starved over

here you had it you had it really good The thing

with me in radio is I grew up in the 80s. I grew

up listening to morning show radio I did not

listen to Howard Stern or any of that What I

listened to when I was living in Boston, Massachusetts

was 105 .7 WBW VBF Boston 105 it is now 105 .7

W ROR in Boston the Lauren and Wally morning

show and these guys were hilarious just Absolutely

hilarious. I love the way they put the show together.

I love the way they worked on You know getting

what tunes they're gonna get on the air with

the rambler. It's basically a story about a traveling

musician That's basically what it is and my favorite

line which we'll hear in a moment is Because

I'm an old -time rambler I call the road my home,

forgive my indiscretion, it's the only way I

know. A million miles from Kentucky, but I'll

always be around, so turn the radio up when your

heart breaks down. Great line. Great line. Music

gets most of us, but me. Music gets, like...

One of the reasons why Blackstone Cherry is my

band choice for this is because... No matter

what song they're singing, depending on what

mood I'm in or what, like, I use at least three

or four of their songs to get me motivated in

the morning to get my ass up out of bed and get

going with whatever I have to be doing that day.

Yep. You know, and The Rambler just is a wonderful,

wonderful song. And thank God the video does

not put any achy -brachy heart references into

it, because they have Billy Ray Cyrus as The

Rambler in the video. I didn't send this to you

yet, but I will. Take a quick listen to the Rambler,

folks, and we'll be back after this. So... Having

heard The Rambler, a couple of things, if I may,

Mike, about Woodstock. One, there was a documentary,

as you know, it was the 50th anniversary and

having just not the BBC, they still do some great

stuff. They did a brilliant documentary and I'll

try and find out if it's on PBS somewhere, but

it wasn't actually about the music, it was about

sort of the business side behind Woodstock or

actually the lack of business side. because it

really was fascinating you know I mean like ten

weeks before they lost the site that we're gonna

do I mean the thing just should never have happened

and I'm glad it did because I agree with you

I think it was a real turning point and I can

remember I was too young but I can remember my

brothers both getting ready you know when the

film came out this was just such a significant

event but going back to you know it shouldn't

have happened and that I know you listen to the

episode so Larry who is my guest on episode three

and he's the only person I know who is actually

at Woodstock and what I love about Larry is I

mean if I was in his position I'd be so tempted

to talk this up and if anyone listens to that

episode basically you'll hear Larry say One,

I slept two of the four days. Two, it should

have been declared a disaster area because it

was literally a shithole, you know. So there's

not a lot of romanticism there, although he will

talk more warmly about it if he could drink a

two -denim. And then the final thing is that

I was booking concert tickets the other day and

I suddenly realized that in March, on the Monday,

I am going to see The Who. On the Thursday, I'm

going to see, of the same week, I'm going to

see Santana. Oh wow. Both of those bands played

at Woodstock and next year it will be 51 years

ago and I always just, you know, like to play

this sort of little movie game of somebody walking

up to Pete Tan's end or to Carlos Santana saying,

you'll be doing this in 50 years time. I don't,

I don't think they would have believed them,

but, um, I, the thing with Woodstock is if it

hadn't have happened, I don't think music would

be what it is after it happened. Like if that

event did not happen when it happened, you wouldn't,

you probably would not have all of the music

we've had in the seventies, eighties. It was

certainly significant. It's super significant

and. Mean for me with you know, the Rambler choice

is like again Thinking back like nowadays, you

know Blackstone cherry just put out their second

black to blues EP and You know you put it out

you put it online you you you have obviously

they do records and CDs So they do vinyl and

and disc as well as digital because nobody does

cuz that's anymore folks I mean, oh that they

do they do they are still out there some do not

it's not many not many yeah um you know and it's

like blackstone cherry that ep and most of their

albums since they've switched labels uh in the

last couple years it's them doing all the work

whereas back in the 80s and 90s you know you

look at like something like tlc and pebbles and

and and or you look at you know notorious big

and Bad boy and Tupac and all that they were

yes, they did the music themselves, but they

still had all these other Producers and other

people to you know You look at somebody like

Mutt Lang who comes on an album to do his thing

as a producer and it's like wow Yeah, the landscape

music has completely changed and I fully believe

Woodstock was the start of that. Yeah, and I

guess my final comment on Woodstock would be

also of course the the wonderful irony that The

most famous song about the festival is Joni Mitchell's

and she didn't go to Woodstock because her manager

told her she was booked on the Dick Cabot talk

show and she should do that because it would

be better for her. And then because she didn't

go, she wrote a brilliant song. So let's push

you on then, Mike, to the 70s. I'm interested

in your comment. I think I know what you mean

of why the sixties and the seventies songs maybe

could have been, uh, could have been sort of

transpose, but took us through that. So the seventies,

uh, the reason why I say now having gone back

and listened to it multiple times again, pieces

free, uh, from Blackstone cherry. This was from

there. Ooh, which album was this from? Believe

it's from folklore and superstition. Yes. This

was from 2008 folklore and superstition album

This was before I had even started listening

to them because I didn't start until the 2011

album and then I hadn't gone back and To the

first two albums until a couple years ago, right?

So peace is free, you know, I think of Just everything

in the 70s and even in the 60s like you know

the whole the whole peace movement the whole

you know war is bad kind of thing and everything

else and there's there's lines in here of basically

trying to lift everybody up and there's the message

is don't bring your sadness down on me when peace

is free because here's the thing we live well

I live and you live essentially in free countries

There are other countries within this world of

ours that are not so free. Yep. So you take advantage

of, sometimes for granted, that, you know, we

live in a society where, unless it's completely

frowned upon, you can do almost anything you

really want to, because you have the freedom

of that choice. Yep. And I think the 70s was

a time where People were making a lot of choices

that they maybe shouldn't have been. Yeah, so

that's certainly in the music business. They

were Absolutely. Yeah but again it also to me

is is one of those things where it's a sad song,

but it's All right, fine. I'll do it. It's a

sad song, but it says so much because the beginning

of it everybody feels blue sometimes You gotta

keep your head up and keep on trying. You know,

those first two lines. It should be everybody's

mantra today, especially with how bad bullying

has gotten over the last 20, 30 years, at least

my lifetime, maybe even yours. But at least in

mine, because I was bullied as a kid because

I have a disability. I have mild cases of cerebral

palsy. Kids didn't understand that in the 80s.

I didn't understand it. I still don't understand

it now. But... You know nowadays, you know bullying

and cyber bullying and internet bullying and

everything else. So I think that the message

of keep on trying and keep on keeping on and

just Remember that peace is free and there is

peace in this world, even though there's a lot

of war Yeah, and I think I think that the sentiment

is absolutely to be supported. I mean at a personal

level It's been interesting for me in the last

couple years because for a number of reasons

one of the one of the things it was actually

through my wife and I don't I'd like to get it

into a daily habit and it's not every day but

I I Certainly mentally do it every day and physically

do it most days which is just to do a little

gratitude journal You know where at the end of

the day you just write down three good things

that happened in the day and I think it's so

easy particularly when we've got so much going

on in our lives and we're hit with so much. And

frankly, if you spend any time watching the TV

news and reading the media, it's really easy

to get into the world's screwed and we should

all just give up. So I find it a really uplifting

thing that says just to sit back once a day and

try and just be grateful because you know you

look at it Mike you've taught and you talked

on previous shows about you know your disability

and having to to deal with that on a daily basis

well you know one of the things I should be happy

for is I don't have to do that you know I mean

when I first started getting into this and and

you know listening to stuff and somebody said

you know just be just being thankful for actually

yeah you've got a body and it works and you can

move around and that that's That's pretty remarkable

when you start to think about it. And here's

the thing with me, and I don't know if I've ever

said this on any of my podcasts, but there's

a lot of times over my lifetime that I've looked

at someone complete stranger, don't know what

their story is, whatever, no clue. And I've thought,

well, fuck, I'm super jealous of them because

they have. Right hand and arm. Yeah, absolutely.

It's the same size and functionality as their

left Yep, and I've gotten really fucking jealous

over it and it really bothers the hell out of

me that that that's happened But you know I try

I think now at the point that we're recording

this I'm two and a half three months away from

my 40th birthday. I Think I've made peace with

my cerebral palsy not Withstanding the fact that

I had to have brain surgery this last year or,

you know, the, you know, this, you know, in the

last year of this decade because of, you know,

excess fluid on my brain. But again, the cerebral

palsy is it's a brain thing. It isn't just, oh,

the doctor, you know, botched the birth and pulled

my arm out the wrong way. No, this happened before

I was even delivered. It was something to do

with. when my mom was pregnant and something

didn't go right in my development while I was

inside of her or something or other, I don't

know. It's just what it is and over the years

I've gotten to the point where most times I don't

even notice it. Like somebody asked me, this

is a number of years ago, somebody asked me,

oh, what's wrong with your arm? And I said, oh,

I have a mild case of cerebral palsy, but it's

OK. And it was just a complete stranger walking

down the street on the sidewalk, they asked.

And normally, if that happened in like 2015,

2016, if that had happened in 2010, I probably

would have, I don't even know. It's just, it's

gotten better over time. And kind of digging

into the message of Blackstone Cherries Pieces

Free. I'm at peace with it but there are times

where my disability really screws my thinking

up. Yeah and I think that's understandable and

you know when you look at I think getting screwed

up and looking at someone and feeling jealous

because hey something happened to me that you

couldn't control you know means I've got to deal

with this and you haven't I kind of get I realize

that doing that too often isn't Healthy for you,

but I get where you do it. But I think if you

if you then look at how much time I think people

in general Now spend going why have they got

that bigger car or why have they got this and

why have I not got that and it's like You know

if we if we all spend our time worrying about

what the next thing is as opposed to Look at

what you've got. Anyway, we should have a listen

to pieces free, but thank you for provoking the

discussion Absolutely. We'll be back after this.

So on to the 80s and of course, that's when you

were born and I am gonna give you a choice away

And I'm sure it's sheer coincidence that it's

the 80s you were born and the song choice is

bad habits Yes, it's actually bad habit no s

bad habits. All right, I apologize and This is

from their 2018 release family tree. So the most

recent full EP or LP I should say And it's the

lead -off Track to the album and the opening

riff just basically kicks you kicks your teeth

in and again I should have sent this to you beforehand

I don't think I did I have put a list together

of like all the video links for all these songs

that eventually hopefully Even though this isn't

a full episode of music talks. This is an episode

of my show geek cast radio hopefully you'll kind

of share the videos and things like basically

the video is a 1988 Battle of the Bands And it's

that whole battle of the bands where all these

bands come together and Blackstone Cherry is

one of them and they're singing their song Bad

Habit and they have a whole groupie girl group

kind of thing called the Bad Habits and you know

the lead singer's wife is one of them in the

video and things like that but this is just a

again this is a upbeat song that the The clip

that I'm going to play again goes more to my

instrumental side than my storytelling side when

it comes to music. Cause I mentioned on my episode

of music talks, one of the reasons why I picked

Hall & Oates out of touch for the eighties was

because of the amazing drum solo. There's an

amazing guitar solo in the middle of this song

that I, it was my ringtone for about six months.

Oh wow. Yeah. And I'm like, It's right where

Chris Robertson, the lead singer says, oh yeah,

and it goes into that guitar solo, and I'm like,

oh yeah, that has to be the thing. And the thing

about this is, it's talking about a woman who

is this person's bad habit, but it's a good thing

that she's his bad habit kind of thing. It's

just an interesting, fun rock song that, you

know, like I said before, kicks your teeth in

and makes you want to get up and go get stuff

done. No, I mean, it is with you. I think it's

a classic rock song, but they did a great job

on the video. And I think, you know, for me,

if you were doing word association, 80s would

be MTV and video. absolutely you know that was

that was the massive the massive change that

came uh that came about and uh yeah i think they

um i think they had their tongue firmly but not

too far in the um in their cheek when they did

the video i think they got it they got it just

right and it's funny you saying about you know

bad habit being um A woman in this guy's life.

I recorded another edition of music talks yesterday

and we were talking about and if you know the

song but come pick me up by Ryan Adams. I think

I've heard of it but I don't know if I've heard

of it. If you listen to the song and it's one

of those and I've seen him numerous times where

you know when he plays it you can hear and interestingly

typically the women in the crowd sort of go ah

because you know He the song basically he's got

this girl and she steals all his records and

she screws all his friends and and so people

view it as sort of the ultimate angst written

song and then I saw him interviewed a couple

years ago and Somebody said this need just lady

said ah, he's like, here's the reality He said

I know that's how people take it. He said but

actually the song is about walking into a bar

seeing a woman and falling madly madly in love

at first sight. Even though you know in your

head that it's all going to end badly and she'll

steal all your records and she'll screw all your

friends. You don't care. Yeah. You know, you

know, we're talking about the video age of MTV

and you know, how Blackstone cherry have their

tongue in cheek thing here with bad habits. They

also did that with one of the tracks on Kentucky

called cheaper to drink alone. I'll have to send

you that video. Right. Cause it's basically their

take on, you know, going out to bars and meeting

women, but it's them with wigs on kind of fantastic

stuff like that. It's like that whole speed dating

thing, but set to that set to that song. And

it was such a good video. You know what? MTV

needs to start playing real videos again, because

the art of the music video is another thing that

has been lost, I think, unless you look at bands

like this that do stuff like what they did with

Bad Habit or what they did with, you know, Jupiter

Drink Alone. Because, man, it's just another

level to express the song. Yeah, and I was actually,

I was trying not to say this, only because I

think it just makes me sound as old as I am.

um it has occurred to me actually fairly recently

that you know you know i'm a massive springsteen

fan for the new album he did a couple of videos

and i'm thinking who does he think is watching

them you know and is it just is it one of those

things and then i i'll see newer and smaller

it's like is it one of those things that record

companies are all run by old guys who go we still

need to do a video and it's like has anyone checked

i don't know But I do, I do and I don't know

and I don't know, I'm not gonna sit here and

speak for Chris Robertson, Ben Wells, John LaHon,

and John Fred Young. The four guys that are Blackstone

Cherry, but I don't know if it's their record

label that they have or whatever, but they do

almost everything themselves. Yes, I'm sure they

have a bunch of team members behind them, but...

But it also sounds might like it's become one

of the things that they are doing sort of a typal

80s videos You know, they've got the tongue -in

-cheek. They're taking the rise out of it I mean

some of and not just the springs, you know, it's

it's still the good old, you know, they've clearly

got a professional crew They're spending a load

of money on it. Yeah, you know, I do I do have

a couple of friends who That's how They work

in film, nothing high profile in Hollywood, but

they make a good living. But they started in

video in the 80s because that's where the money

was suddenly. There was two things going on.

One, money started to pour in and two, you had

a load of artistic freedom. Because there was

no video industry, you know, there was no music

video industry Yeah, and I think nowadays you

have even more artistic freedom because you don't

have to be as I mentioned earlier You know you

look at the TLC story And then being so stifled

by Pebbles and the management company. I think

nowadays, because you can, because of the technology,

you can go out there and do like, you know, Chris

does the mixing on most of the albums. John Loughlin

does the art from pretty much all of the albums

and you know, it's them working on their stuff

and not, you know, whereas, you know, 20, 30

years ago. They would sing the stuff, they would

record it, and somebody else would... The prediction

values and the prediction cost are very different.

Yeah, exactly. Cool. We should take a listen

then to Bad Habit. on to the 90s and a very different

choice Mike talk us through that so this is the

song that we're gonna be talking about here is

from their 2011 album between the devil and the

deep blue sea it is a song that When I first

heard it, I was like, okay, they wrote this for

at the time 2011 I think the Afghanistan war

was still going on and all of that and You know

bin Laden and yeah else This song has a very

basically military feel to me and I had seen

the video and then I had seen the behind the

scenes of the video and how they were supporting

this army guy, he might have been a marine, I

don't remember, just watch the video folks. Randy,

I don't remember his last name, but basically,

In My Blood is a song about being in the military,

in the armed forces, in the Navy and the whatever,

and how you always have to Leaves who knew to

hurt would feel so good move along so far from

home my mistakes go on and on in truth I hate

to be alone, and then it goes on to say you know

You know another day another round I miss my

friends in my hometown But the truth is the reason

it's the reason that I leave it's in my blood

and it's in my bones Yeah, you know military

life and the reason I'm not speaking. I I I for

effed In high school, they basically for F to

me because I was disabled. Um, now go on X eight

for the bridge. Explain what four F is. It's

basically you flunk out, right? It's basically

you cannot join the military. There's something

that would not work with you in military life.

Got it. Um, kind of thing. But my uncle Keith

on my dad's side was a Navy CB. He was a military

career. man. And in 1990, we were in the middle

of the Gulf War. Yep. And there was a song back

then that I would hear almost every night on

the radio. And that was Lee Greenwood's God Bless

the USA. Yeah. And in my blood, to me, even though

it's more of a rock song than what Lee did with

his song, it's a storytelling song that basically

gives you the thoughts behind someone who might

be in the military of why they do it because

they want to fight for their country because

that's all you know doing something your whole

life because that's all you know yeah that's

all you know how to do and you try your best

to you know even though you've made mistakes

you try to make up for them even though the this

even though the that And there's one line in

here that I absolutely love. I miss your touch

and I miss your smile, the thing you do that

drives me wild. You think about all of the military

men and women that have, not in our light, just

in general. Since the US military has been the

US military, or whatever, whatever it is. Since

they finally allowed women to be soldiers and

and all of this and all that and everybody having

to make that choice to You know, you're here

one day and you're not the next because you're

out fighting for what you believe in yeah, and

that and the way that they Arrange the instruments

in the song and the way the instruments play

it has this I Do not want to compare it to Kurt

Cobain and Nirvana, but it has this 90s grungy

kind of sound. That's why I put it in the 90s.

No, great choice. Yeah, and I don't think it

would fit in any other decade. And again, the

whole military thing for me with my uncle and

tying back to that memory of, you know, worrying

about him every night. And then once, you know,

the Lee Greenwood song would come on, it's like,

oh, okay. Well, hope he's all right. You know,

and I wasn't that close to my uncle Keith. He's

on my dad's side. I wasn't. It was weird Mike,

but you're aware you're aware of what's good.

Yeah. Yeah, and Just yeah, so in my blood we're

gonna take a listen to that and then we're gonna

head to the next Millennium Yeah, and just before

we we do Because again, I think it's an interesting

choice and as always my interesting observations

you've made Again, my exposure to the military

hasn't been great, but in the 90s, I actually

lived next door to, well, family moved in and

it was a guy, Chris, and he was the fifth generation

of his family that had been in a famous, ironically,

a Scottish regiment called the Black Watch. In

fact, I think if you trace it back, his family

members were in one of the regiments that then

became the Black Watch. So and he 12 months before

he moved in next door to us he'd actually effectively

been made redundant from the army And it was

fascinating talking to him because I remember

he came around for dinner one night my brother

was down and my brother and I both worked in

IT and Jim had started this it was just before

Christmas Jim had started that year Working for

a company he'd then been headhunted to go to

another company and he literally stayed six weeks

because he decided he'd made a mistake and he

went somewhere else and Chris looked at him and

went so you've had three different jobs this

year and human Yeah, and he said wow, that's

brave and in credit to my brother Jim just looked

and said Chris how many tours of duty did you

do in Ireland and he looked and he said five

he said no that's brave he said what we do is

just nonsense but it was fascinating to watch

this talented guy you know adjust to civilian

life because if you think about it and his wife

was also she didn't go back five generations

but she was her parents had been in the military

so they'd lived you know when I think you said

the song there it said you know it's in my blood

it's in my bones it really was for them and it

was actually the practicalities you know when

they moved into sort of civilian life that were

just basic things so you know I remember is is

because he was an officer his wife said you know

well my all my shopping used to be delivered

to me so it really was it was fascinating and

I know one of the things You know military and

war and all of that is a very difficult subject

but one of the things that always hit myself

and Laura in the US was the Difference in the

amount of respect the military get in the US

than they do in the UK And I'll leave it at that

but it is very different. It is very different.

Let's take a listen Okay, and on to our next

choice and It's the noughties and the way of

the future. That's right. This is the The lead

track I think yes, this is the lead track from

2016's, Kentucky the Kentucky album and The reason

why I put this for the 2000s versus the 2010s

is because really, the 2000s is when most of

this, at least in my mind, kind of started happening.

The opening verse is, wake up, hope you don't

get shot. Step out, hope you don't get robbed.

There's children killing themselves, who killed

who else for killing ourselves. watch out devil's

gonna get rich better stop falling for these

tricks we're all killing ourselves who killed

who else for killing ourselves and there's a

line later where he talks about throw away everything

you've been told to believe break away from these

chains were supposed to be free yeah free it's

the way of the future there's no place to hide

you promise to listen I'll promise you life in

the song the way it opens is again it's another

one of these you know first tracks like What's

going to happen in that opening guitar riff?

Just when I first heard it, you know, three years

ago, it just put me on my ass. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it's my, it's my favorite out of all

your choices. I mean, I think, I know you said,

I think one of your emails that the band isn't

particularly super political, but that's a brilliant

set of lyrics. They're not super political at

all and that was I think out of all of their

their stuff that was the most political they

had gotten kind of thing and it just it just

feels like that's you know you know The song

feels like it's talking about even today even

what's going on today even what's Absolutely,

it's but it's probably more. Well, when was it

released again? It was released in 2016. Yeah.

Okay. It's pretty I mean, well, I think I think

it's to their credit in the sense that You know

what one of them we met we mentioned Woodstock

before one of the thing that disappoints me is

With everything that is going on in the world

is actually the lack of for one of a better phrase

protest music That is being written And I will

make a racial comment here particularly by white

bands and white men and women singers I think

there's a lot of black artists who are doing

a much better job writing about what's going

on And there's a bunch of old guys doing a great

job So it's good to see, and I know you put it

in the 2000s, but yeah, I can see why they wrote

that in 2016, and I think it's a great song,

so well done. Yeah, and I mean, it's one of those

songs that you gotta think, I don't know the

exact date that Kentucky came out, I forget off

the top of my head, but you know, 2016 for us

here in the US, well, I don't know, but... for

us, people that, you know, have common sense.

For me personally, I'll say this and I try my

best not to get political on these shows on our

podcast because it's not just my show. It's mine

and Steve's and everybody else. Everybody else

has different opinions. So for me personally,

um, the 2016 election, there was no good choice.

That didn't matter. What end you were on, there

was no good choice. I do think that things have

gotten worse since... No, I agree. Since somebody

brought back Agent Orange from Vietnam again.

But anyway, let's take a quick listen to Blackstone

Cherries' The Way of the Future, and we'll be

back after this. And so on to what is still just

about the current decade, but we ain't got long

left. So talk us through that. All right. So

I tried to figure out which one of their songs

had a thing of, you want to be something? But

you're not and you don't know how to get to where

you want to be And Again the song is not political

at all but going with the whole thing we were

just talking about with the way of the future

in the way that Politics is currently here in

the US Everybody wants to be a white trash millionaire

I mean and I have to fully admit this when I

first heard this song this is Like I said blackstone

cherries white trash millionaire. It is the Again,

I don't know why I keep picking lead -off single

lead -off But there's a reason they put it as

the first track isn't that's that's true It's

the lead -off track from 2011's between the devil

in the deep blue sea When I first heard this

back in 2011 I don't even know if the other song

that I'm gonna reference was out then or not.

As soon as I heard the line, where is it? He

talks about being born this way. And the first

thing I thought of, you know, was that Lady Gaga

song entitled Born This Way, because it sounds

so... Similar like just that one little here

it is the very first. I've got a trans am in

primer paint Nobody taught me I was born this

way just the way that the the melody in the song

and the way that Chris sings it I don't know

why but it made me think of the Gaga song with

the way she sings about how she was born a certain

way and it right Like I know they didn't do it

on purpose and I don't know without actively

looking it up and making keyboard noises and

whatever else when born this way came out but

That's what I connected with back then, just

listening to the song and part of the chorus.

Ain't got much and I don't care. Count your cash

and kiss my ass. This whole damn world gonna

know I've been here. So for me, reading that

is no matter who you are, no matter what you

wanna do, if you can find a way to do it, do

it and fuck everybody else. Well, there's a manifesto

for life if ever I've heard one. Okay. I've been

podcasting for 11 years. I've had a lot of people

criticize me over 11 years over audio issues

or levels, not being correct or I said the wrong

thing or I misspoke or people don't agree with

my opinions. Hey, that's great. If you agreed

with me all the time, or if you were on my same

level or you were basically, I don't need. the

world does not need a clone of TFG1 Mike. It

would not be a good thing. Yeah, I mean I guess

my only observation would be this, which is I

totally agree with you and certainly subscribe

to the world would be a very boring place if

you're all the same and I am all for variety

and all of that. Again, without sounding like

the old reaction, the one negative thing that

I think social media has done is that people

now get so irate when they don't agree with you.

And it's like, you don't need to, it's okay.

It's goodness for me that there's different views

and there's different opinions. The sad thing

is that we all seem to be getting far more, you

know, either you're in my camp or you're my enemy.

And it's like, no, it's a lot richer than that.

It really is. It is. But there are times where,

where like someone the other day, uh, I had shared

a post from IDW publishing the comic book company.

They've got a young Donald Duck comic coming

out and someone commented, one of my friends

commented and said, oh, this reminds me of all

those kid cartoons in the late 80s, early 90s,

like a pup named, like where they took Scooby

Doo and made him younger kind of thing. So a

pup named Scooby Doo, Flintstones kids, that

kind of thing. My only retort to this person

was, I don't care what anyone says, a pup named

Scooby Doo was awesome. Whatever other opinions

are of the other shows, that's fine, but a put

-name Scooby -Doo is awesome. And most of the

time, I will look at people's statuses online,

whether it's Twitter, Facebook, whatever. And

if I have a comment, I'll comment. That's what

I love about Facebook. Oh yeah, I think there's

a difference between commenting and expressing

an opinion. And what I see a lot is... you know

and try and work on the example you just said

where somebody goes into a complete rant that

says Mike Blanchard I thought you were a decent

person but because if you think you know young

scubity was well that means you got you don't

know anything you know and it's like whoa yeah

that's a little you know I mean I'm like that

with music that and I'm like most things I'm

sure I've now quoted it you know that You know,

my dad was a massive influence on me in terms

of music but the best advice he ever gave me

and I was actually talking about Crosby Stills,

Nash and Young and they used to very Pretentiously

refer to wooden music and electric music, you

know when they were doing their acoustic stuff

and when they were doing electric stuff And he

just looked at me and he said He said son. There's

only two types of music. He said music you like

and music you don't And he said, my advice is

don't stick with that and don't try and impose

your taste too much on other people. You know,

and I know there's stuff that's cool and uncool

to like. It's like, you know, a really good friend

of mine, you know, this whole hidden pleasures,

you know, that people secretly listen to abacus.

And it's like I said to a friend about hidden

pleasures and he said, I don't have any. He basically

said the same thing. I don't have hidden pleasures.

i have music i enjoy and i've music about and

some it's really on cool by enjoy it here's my

thing somebody's like old try and i'm just gonna

say this because that's what was said try a game

of thrones oh why aren't you what like oh my

god you have watched game of thrones oh my god

you're the person on a deserted island is everybody

seen that show my thing with that Television

show is I'm not going to and I know HBO has more

than just Game of Thrones But I'm not gonna subscribe

to a cable package or a premium package just

to see one show I did Catch my cable companies

free weekend thing for HBO Last year whenever

it was or maybe earlier this year I don't remember

and I did try to watch season one episode one

of Game of Thrones I got 15 minutes in and they

basically did nothing I watched the entire time

through the snow, and I'm like, this just isn't

for me. There are things that people like that

I don't or that I don't know about or that I've

never checked out. Half of the original programming

on Netflix, I don't watch it. I don't care either

way though. I have no opinion. So I'm to the

point where I either love something or I just

don't care because I don't have any... whatever

to it. Well here's something else we've got in

common because I also haven't watched Game of

Thrones and my view is it's the same with film,

with TV, with music, with theatres. There is

so much good stuff that we have access to that

unless it's something that I feel I really want

to I'm not going to force myself to watch or

listen to anything just because apparently a

lot of other people are. Yeah. You know, if there's

if there's something in there that tweaks my

interest, great. And with Game of Thrones, frankly,

and like you, I do think we watched 10 minutes,

but it was like there is nothing there that has

made me think my life my life is going to be

incomplete unless I watch seven series of this

thing. So it's a good stuff. So we should have

a listen to White Trash Millionaire, shouldn't

we? I've got a transient and primer paint Nobody

taught me I was born this way Now, of course,

if this was a normal music talk, because I'd

now be asking you for your final thoughts and

your contact details, but given this isn't, but

given it's been blank sharded, which I'm gaining,

that's working for me more and more. If in 10

years there are people wandering around Scotland

saying, and it sounds great in a Scottish accent

as well, it's been blank sharded. So let's move

on to the next decade that hasn't yet arrived.

Yes, we are, like I said, two or three, well,

we're two months away from the 2020s. So my biggest

joke now, and I know, I know this is not supposed

to be a joke, but it is a joke for me. I wasn't

alive in the 1920s. My grandmother on my mom's

side was born in 1920. She was nine years old

when the depression happened. So being a kid

at that time, that must've been awful. Yeah.

But. because we are now coming to the 2020s,

I want to call it the roaring 20s again, because

it's, you know, like, I don't know. So again,

going back to Blackstone Cherry and figuring

out a song that who knows what, you know, You

said in the last episode of Music Talks, or I

should say episode 10 of Music Talks, because

hopefully by the time this is out, people would

have heard my episode, would have heard the other

episode of GeekCast Radio, yada, yada, yada.

In episode 10 with Chris Bloom, and in other

episodes of Music Talks, you've said that there's

music for everyone, there's always new music,

whether it's from the 50s and 60s or now, somebody

is always experiencing new music to them. What

kind of feelings are we going to have in the

next decade? What kind of music is going to emerge

in the next decade? Are we going to see a revival

of, you know, full -on reggae on radio? Probably

not. But, you know, like what's going to happen?

That's a great question. That's a great question.

Because none of us know what's going to happen.

But what could happen? And from there, again,

the Family Tree, the latest... latest LP from

last year it is the third track new kind of feeling

and you know in the song they say what did I

get into what am I gonna do she turned the ocean

blue but damn it she's perfect I've asked a thousand

times been asked a thousand whys I gotta keep

on trying cuz girl you're worth it And then he

he goes on later to you know say I don't need

or he goes on a new kind of feeling for you Feeling

you want it. You can't have it. It's perfect

kind of healing. Yeah Alright, so I don't need

a reason Don't need no reason. Yeah for my new

kind of feeling and I'm like Like I just said

what's gonna happen next year. What's gonna happen

in the next decade? Whatever feelings that music

produces from us or for us, we don't need a reason

for it. We just know what we like. And I don't

know what Blackstone Cherry is gonna do, because

I know that they just kind of announced that

they're spending the winter working on the next

full album. So here's the thing with this band.

They remind me of Hall and Oates. I was gonna

say what what's that? What's the thing? Because

you clearly loved them and I always I always

fascinates me when people go beyond Oh, yeah,

like it did. I really love this music. So what

is it? That attraction it's The fact that they

are all in the fact that They're musicians. They

are people that Dedicate themselves to this craft

that don't just resign themselves to whatever

contract they have with the record label like

oh we have a contract for eleven songs and that's

all we're gonna do. Pretty much all of their

albums since 2006's self -titled album, pretty

much all of them have special editions or re

-releases or bonus tracks or whatever. They give

the fans more and pretty much every year we've

gotten something from them since about twenty

way out twenty twenty fourteen was magic mountain

in the two years later twenty sixteen was was

kentucky since kentucky we've gotten something

from them every single year because twenty sixteen

was kentucky twenty seventeen was the black to

blues volume one e p last year was family tree

the full album and then now they just released

black to blues volume two the second e p from

that series so they've going back to holland

oats they had Abandoned Luncheonette in 72, they

had whatever album in 73, they had whatever album

in 74, they had, make sure I get this right,

Voices in 80, Private Eyes in 81, H2O in 82.

I'm impressed you can remember. Rock and Soul

Part 183, Big Bam Boom 84, yadda yadda yadda

and on and on and on and on and on. So they did

an album every year. And Blackstone Cherry, they...

I talked about this on my episode of Music Talks,

I'll say it here. Going to Kentucky in 1993 was

not my choice. Yep. I'm not going to go through

the full story, folks. If you want to hear the

full story, you can go listen to Music Talks,

whatever episode my episode number is for Music

Talks. But basically, it was not my choice. But

there are certain things from that state that

I have immense pride in and the stories that

these four guys and their team tell in these

songs Is just amazing there saw it like I could

do And it sounds like that's the I mean just

trying to decipher if you like the key that it's

The word stories. That's what you're connecting

to. That's what you're relating to. Yeah Absolutely

and I think it is interesting with artists that

I think To get that sort of connection. I think

one of the things is you have you have to listen

and it has to be authentic Yeah You know and

I always I always go back to springsteen because

I think he talks he talks very eloquently about

the songwriting process in the fact that If you

know, particularly if you're writing in character

If you don't get inside your character, your

listeners will know 10 seconds into the song.

Yeah. And I don't know what it is, but you know,

and he's done some stuff where you're just getting,

yeah, it doesn't work. And then there's other

things where, you know, it can be four or five

words, but it just paints a picture and you know

who the person is and all of that stuff. So yeah,

for me with him, that would be glory days. Well,

I may share it at some point on Music Talks,

but I love my music, I love to sing, it's just

people don't like to hear me sing because it's

awful. But at a Microsoft big corporate event,

it was Christmas party 2016 I think, basically

I had to go and do karaoke. and I actually did

it with Larry would you believe and we did glory

days and Larry being Larry he managed to pose

for the whole song and at no point actually attempt

to sing anything but I chose glory days because

you can almost talk your way through that song

but there is yeah there is a short video clip

of that but that is a brilliant song you know

that's a movie it's a movie in three and a half

minutes So we should then take a listen to, and

this is the first time Music Talks does a song

from the 2020s, a new kind of feeling. We'll

definitely play this again in a year's time when

we're in 2020, Mike. Yeah, exactly. Okay, and

then you've talked about Blackstone Cherry doing

bonus editions. You've then got two bonus tracks.

Yes. I think the first is... Go on, talk about

the first one. One is a song that was the...

What was it? Was it the final track of the original

version? Yes, it was the final track of the original

version of Between the Devil and the Deep Blue

Sea. They then have three iTunes bonus tracks

after it, but if you just got the regular album,

this was the last song on Between the Devil and

the Deep Blue Sea. It is entitled All I'm Dreaming

Of. The reason why I put this bonus track together

is because it's a song that fits every... Decade.

It's a song that fits every generation. It's

a song that fits every human being. We are all

human beings. I don't care if my skin is purple

or, you know, red or yellow or green or what,

we're all human beings and we all have these

feelings. Now, again, I didn't really reveal

to people that I was doing this podcast, but

in the official Blackstone Cherry Group on Facebook,

I went and told people about the music talks

format and I asked people what do you think?

Which Blackstone cherry songs do you think fit

it fits in each decade from the 60s to? I did

I did not tell them about going further into

the next decade and they all gave me kind of

sort of their list some people didn't really

read the thing and see what I wanted to get them

to comment about but I then asked the band, I

asked them straight up on the group, I said,

when was, why was, what was the, not necessarily

the point, but what was the inspiration for all

I'm dreaming of? And the reason why I say this

is because there's a line in here, part of the

second... second verse. There's people around

us everywhere who need help like you and me.

A family was taken by a storm and we just watched

it on TV. This song came out in 2011. Right.

Um, was it Sandy, Katrina? Katrina was 2005.

Yep. When I hear that line, all is I think of

is whatever major storms have like Hurricane

Sandy, Hurricane Katrina, all the devastation

that people have have Had happened to them here

in the US because of hurricanes and things like

that and I asked the band I said, you know, what's

what's the straight -up inspiration behind it?

Can you guys give me a little insight and Sadly,

I don't remember Off the top my head exactly

what they said, but they basically said we wrote

it because we wanted a song for people to You

know have dreams and dream of a better future.

There's the line in here, the chorus, all I'm

dreaming of is good times, good friends, and

somebody to love. All I'm dreaming of is no fears,

no tears, and blue skies up above. There you

go. You can't argue with that sentiment. That

reminded me of what you had said about how you

first wanted to start Music Talks, how you first

wanted to start this format of having your friends

over to your house or having a barbecue or, you

know, having dinner and talking about music and,

and whatever, or, you know, in Kentucky's case,

sitting on the back porch and singing or whatever

kind of thing. And if you listen to the song,

it's a good, uplifting, positive message that

all we're dreaming of is something better than

what's going on right now. That's brilliant Mike

and I will go back and listen to the song with

that as context, but that's brilliant. Thank

you. That's We should now take a listen That

makes me There's too much anger and too much

pain Too much money and too many lies That's

great. I really really appreciate that So that

brings us then to your last choice then follow

that I'm gonna say The final track is the second

bonus track it is something brand new I didn't

even know about it until they posted about it,

and I haven't thought about this in at least

a decade and a half. When I was younger, my mom,

my grandma, whoever it was, we would always end

up watching PBR, Professional Bull Riders. We

would always end up watching bull fighting on

TV at some point. Well, PBR has changed their

anthem over the years. and the current anthem

is done by, there are three different versions

of it, and it's done by three different, two

different people and one band. Blackstone Cherry

was the band. The other two people, the other

two people are Montgomery Gentry of, or not,

Eddie Montgomery of Montgomery Gentry, who's

a country duo. And then Chevelle Shepard, who

was the 2015 winner of NBC's The Voice. And so

I'm like, wait, what? What is this? Huh? Because

I just went onto Spotify one day and I'm like,

Blackstone Cherries latest release, Be Cowboy.

Huh? What? So then I went to their page. I went

to the PBR page. I saw the video of, you know,

why the song is what it is. And I saw how Eddie's

talking about it. I saw Chevelle's talking about

it. I wish they would have had Blackstone, I

wish they would have had Chris or Ben or John

or John talking about it, but it basically shows

Eddie and Chevelle and then it shows Blackstone

Cherry playing it. And again, it's one of these,

because it's associated with bull riding, it

has to be this upbeat rock full on. You know,

get you into the mood thing to watch, you know,

giant animals through scrawny people. I'm sure

the marketing department to work on that. So

part of the, part of the lyrics, it's, it's a

fire, hard wire spirit within to be dreamers,

believers, the best that we can be the one who

does the right thing when there's no one else

around, be the one that. Runs into flames when

the house is burning down Be the one that holds

on harder when it's harder to hold on be the

one who keeps believing when you think That your

hope is gone be cowboy and you know It just it

embodies The country lifestyle even though it's

a rock song. That's brilliant. The the lyrics

are it just It was this is so stupid and I can't

believe I'm revealing this on on a podcast I

Woke up. I think the morning after it released

or maybe it was the day of release and You know

first thing you get up in the morning you go

to the bathroom Okay. Well, I wanted to hear

this new song Full blast on my phone Sitting

on on the toilet with the phone on the sinks

the only way to stop the day My wife's like what

are you doing? I said I'm going to the bathroom

Why is the song playing because I haven't heard

the whole thing yet? I don't know I Don't normally

play music unless I mean like the shower or the

bathtub or whatever I don't normally play music

as I'm going to the bathroom But I hadn't heard

the full song yet, so I'm like all I will say

is I'm a little surprised that you find that's

a bit strange I think it's perfectly normal behavior,

perfectly normal behavior. Well, not sitting

on the throne, we should probably take and listen

to your last choice then Mike. Yes, and then

we'll come back and close it out after that.

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the podcast where I ask guests a simple but beguiling

question. Choose a song from each decade of your

life and tell me why these songs mean so much

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some music talking soon All right folks that's

gonna do it for this episode of geek cast radio

This has been two musical weeks here on the show

One thing I did not tell you Terry is that I

got a chance on Thanks to my lovely wife Karen

What would have been? Math is not happy with

me right now What would have been my grandmother's

on my mom's side my grandmother Agnes? What would

that have been that would have been? Last year

yes would have been her 98th birthday March 29th

of last year I got a chance to see Blackstone

Cherry Live for the first time. Oh, wow. They

were like a week and a half away from releasing

the Family Tree album. No, they were a month

away from releasing the Family Tree album. It

released on 420 last year. You know, you talk

about live music and things like that. I know

people are gonna... be screaming at their eye

devices or listening, whatever. Blackstone Cherry

to me, they're my version of the Grateful Dead.

I could watch these guys every night, because

every night they put on, you don't hear the same

songs every single night. If I pointed you to

like Set List FM or something and I found you

all the different set lists of their, they don't

do the same thing. That's what live music should

be. Right. And they do it so well and so interesting.

They have done a cover of, oh, what is it? One

of those Adele songs. Which one? Rollin' in the

Deep. Alright. Can you imagine? What i mean obviously

i'll send it to you i'd love to hear it but you

know for me i'm not an adele fan but hearing

blackstone cherry sing one of her songs that's

kind of awesome yeah they do you know you want

to talk about hendrix and things like that At

the show we went to, they did part of Foxy Lady.

They do this thing where they'll mix things between

their actual tracks and they'll do these run

-on things and do various things throughout the

show. It was so much fun. I hope to see them

again before 20 years goes by. But yeah, this

has just been absolute fun. Thank you so much

for letting me twist it. It's my pleasure. Where

can the people find you online? What would you

like to promote all that good stuff? So in terms

of contacting me, probably Twitter is best, which

is at Music Talks Pod. As I always say, if you

want to use 90's email, it's musictalkspodatoutlook

.com. And my Facebook again is also at Music

Talks Pod. post, not every but most days, additional

content around the last episode of the Music

Talks podcast. It would be great to hear from

people and as I say, please like the Facebook

page and have a listen to an episode. Not least,

I think it will be episode 11 or 12 with a certain

Mike Blanchard. That's right. You can reach us

at geek cast radio on Twitter I am at TFU and

Mike on Twitter obviously go to the website geekcastradio

.com we've got amazing stuff coming up next week

or next episode or whatever it's gonna be because

This is more than just a hobby to me. It's my

job Sadly, I won't get any retirement checks

if I retire damn it But next week we're going

to have a discussion on physical media versus

digital media. We've done this a couple of times,

but new things came out and new discussion points

and yada yada yada. So next episode we're going

to talk about whether you like physical media

or digital media. Terry, do you have a preference?

I move between both, so I have every... two and

a half thousand cds ripped i subscribe to spotify

and title and i have about a thousand vinyl albums

oh and i still have a cassette player and cassettes

in the loft as well no eight track the only thing

i never did was a track that never really hit

the uk yeah uh So yeah, that's gonna be the next

episode after that. That's episode 197. Episode

198 will be sort of a Christmas show kind of

thing. And then episode 199 will be a decade

in review. We normally do a year in review at

the end of every year, but seeing as how this

is the last year of this decade, oh boy, do I

have a lot of research to do. Absolutely. I don't

envy you that. Unleash the music geek in you

and we will catch you next time here on geek

cast radio That's great. A couple of things I'd

like to say. Sure. One was, I mentioned I recorded

another episode yesterday and in that conversation

we talked, this guy called Ian Braesby, but we

both talked about the fact that we love, one

of the reasons we love live music is, you know,

go into a show and when the artist will talk

about a few of the songs or give you some sort

of insight and he actually talked about, I'm

going to forget the guy's name, but one of the

artists he loved the guy did that very deliberately

they turned up for one show and he had like a

sitting room on stage and he sat in the armchair

and you know told stories about the songs the

reason for saying all of that is you know i'd

listen to your playlist i'd genuinely really

enjoyed it but i can't wait now to go back and

listen to it again and for me that's you know

you talked about where the idea for this this

is the idea for music talks came from To me,

that's the essence, that you have a conversation

about music, you have a conversation about a

track or an artist and you sit there and you

go, wow, I'd have never, you know, one, I'd have

never spotted that or two, you now listen to

it through, in this case, your eyes again. So

thank you for that because I just, it's the thing

I love. The other thing is that we clearly need

to stop recording stuff because... As you well

know every time I taught you another idea for

a podcast comes up. So this had already happened

before the recording and then you built on it

because you know when you said you looked at

Hall & Oates but you couldn't do a Hall & Oates

song for the 60s and the 50s? You could certainly

do a Springsteen song. So at some point, and

it'll be next year at some point, we'll wait

until 2020 and the new album's out, but at some

point you and I, and I would like you to interview

me, we're gonna do the 50s onwards and it's gonna

be a Springsteen song for each decade. And on

the basis he's actually got, I suspect there's

60s stuff I can get hold of, but he's actually

got the 70s onwards covered anyway, but I'd like

to do that. Great great fun Mike and I'll I say

this as a compliment I think only you could have

twisted my format this much and made it this

much fun. So, thank you