Interview with Michael Wilson on Getting Into Comics

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Michael Wilson here on a comic origins episode.

You might be asking yourself Why is the toy guy

on the comic podcast? Well, you read comics,

right? I read comics I read comics Yes, actually

I read a lot of comics I'm actually surprised

that there is not a... I'm really surprised IDW

never did a Hasbro thing with Rescue Bots, honestly,

for a comic. I'm really surprised at that. Well,

it depends on who your target audience is. I

mean, you know, the target audience for Rescue

Bots is like three to five, six year olds. And

that's your pre -reading group. So I don't think

that they're... they would be making comic books

for kids who can't read to read well the new

the new robots in disguise is like seven eight

-year -olds I mean it's not exactly it's got

some adult humor in it but it's not as obviously

it's not as dark as prime was and they've got

a new ongoing series for that yeah I've seen

a little bit of that and I'm not sure who that

target audience is either. What is this? All

right, so was there... Was there a parent, a

family member, a friend, whoever it was, was

there someone that said when you were a kid,

here, here's a comic, go away, you bother me?

No, nothing like that. Really? So who was it

that got you into comics? It was all me, baby!

There's a story here I'll tell you the story

that's the point of this podcast exactly I'll

tell you the story so the story goes I Can you

want to go really far back my parents divorced

when I was five I was in a broken home How did

you get into comics not necessarily? I'm getting

to it. So what happens is I'm visiting my dad

my sister and I would visit my dad and in my

old hometown and You know, we didn't have much

to do so we would walk downtown and The downtown

area had a comic book store and we'd never been

in there before But we walked past it because

we used to walk to the library Which didn't have

comic books, but you know, we had nothing better

to do so on the way to the library past the comic

book store there's a big picture window and right

in the front window is a copy of elf quest number

18 I believe it's 18 on the cover of elf quest

number 18 is an elf in full wolf armor and it

was the most striking image I had ever seen and

I think I might have been in fifth grade at the

time and it was just like wow That's amazing.

I have to go in there and look at this. So I

looked at it and I got my dad to buy me the copy.

I went back, got some money, walked back, bought

the comic book, and I just fell in love with

ElfQuest. That was my thing for a long time.

And I wanted Wendy and Richard Peeney to come

visit me and have dinner. That's that was kind

of like my lifelong dream there when I was in

fifth grade and and you know, what's weird is

I look back and it's like man, I wouldn't let

my little kid read off quest because Especially

like issue 17 was the inappropriate one that

contained the elf orgy which was yeah, exactly

Please tell me we're not gonna go into that TP

stuff and I'm not talking about toilet paper

No, no, please tell me when I mean as much as

I like having explicit podcasts on the gcrn The

last thing we need is that this time any references

to teen titans? Just elves having fun around

the campfire Uh, I didn't actually get issue

17 for a while. I went back and got as many back

issues as I could I had a nice little collection

and I used to carry them around in a box. I was

really proud of them Eventually somebody stole

my box I don't really I don't have any of them

anymore, but but that was how I was introduced

to comics Later on So so this is when you're

a kid you said you were in what fifth grade or

so my fifth or sixth grade, yeah So as a kid

after reading elf quest for a while, where did

you go? What was next after elf quest as a kid?

I want to say it wasn't until like the 90s Not

now late 80s. Let's say when I really started

like collecting hardcore. I had a friend of mine

And we would hang out together and read x -men

And this was, oh, I mean, he had a whole collection

of the early X -Men from the 80s. And I'm trying

to remember the name of it, like Chris Claremont.

You know, that whole run. It's just brilliant

stuff, right? And we would literally just sit

and read those. And he had like 100 of them.

So then I started collecting comics when I...

got disposable income after I turned, like, 16,

17. Yeah. And I had so many comics because, you

know, in the 90s, you got into that, you know,

collector's craze where every comic had a foil

cover or a die -cut cover, a lenticular cover,

and you had to buy, like, five or six of the

same thing. Oh, believe me. It's the same today

It is never not been that way since the night

compared to the late 80s early 90s to now it

You know, it's the same way now if you're a comic

collector, I mean Jim and the holograms comic

from IDW the first two issues had a total between

the two of them 20 different covers between the

issue number one and issue number two. Issue

number one had 12. Issue number two had eight.

Wow. Yeah. Well, I'm guessing. I don't know.

I mean, you know my collecting habits. If I've

got one, I have to have them all. And the problem

with that is there's eight. And they're like

four bucks each now, right? So you've got to

buy them all. Well, I think in the. Jim is a

rare case, honestly. Jim is that rare case for

issue number one and issue number two. IDW offered

box sets for $25. You could get five of the covers

of each one. So it was the regular cover and

then there were four other covers that were the

Jim and the holograms and then Pizzazz and the

Misfits and all that. uh... the other covers

for those two issues that add up to the total

twenty between the two of them are like convention

exclusive covers and retail incentive cover covers

that comic book stores like one in ten you know

one in fifteen where they'll pay an exuberant

amount of money for it and then they'll charge

the charge you extra yeah and uh... uh... though

the funniest thing and i don't even know why

this was when i got into reading comics and i

kinda wanted to get back into spider because

as a kid for me i and people who've listened

to pull back for the last three years know this

as a kid i had you know one or two different

spider -man comics from reading or from watching

the animated series so i'm like okay at the time

when i get into comics in 2012 it was like oh

my god amazing spider -man issue 700 it's the

end of everything you know He's expressing a

700 Wow, so so it was one of those things there

was like, oh my god, I Want to get into spider

-man, but I want a different spider -man. I don't

want the same spider -man that I grew up with

I I can see a million Mysterio or or hydro man

or Doc Ock. Yeah stories dealing with Peter Parker,

right? They then after amazing 700 they started

superior spider -man. Oh, I like that run Yeah,

that run was awesome. Superior Spider -Man number

two had a variant cover that was just a white

background with an image of the Superior Spider

-Man in a classic Spider -Man pose. Was it the

Todd McFarland pose where he's in the center

of the web? I don't remember. I'd have to look

it up. Maybe I'll get back to that at the end

of this episode. As far as what the actual pose

was I don't remember but anyway, it was it was

a white background cover With spider -man in

some sort of action pose You know in this in

the superior spider -man colors, whatever. Mm

-hmm the comic book shop wanted $25 for this

thing and I'm like wait what why? Special cover

that's what I yeah, that's what but They marked

it as a retail incentive, but there was nothing

special about the cover Image is just a white

background with spider -man It's nothing at least

I can see if it was like a spider -verse cover

where there's like all of them Yeah, so, you

know something like like that or if they did

I know they don't I know they didn't do this

with spider -man but if they did like a spider

-verse cover with You know Lego spider -verse

and they had all of the spider -verse characters

as As as the Lego characters, you know what I

mean? Yeah that like that is a special cover

a white background with an image of spider -man

on it is not a Very special for to me, right?

So anyway funny go on I'm sorry Get all that

out of your system, it's okay But back in the

day I collected a lot of Punisher And and again,

you know if I have one I have to have them all

so I I would literally pour over the Comic book

price guides and look for appearance of Punisher

And I would I just bought everything I could

And you know sometimes that's like, you know

a buck in the in the dollar bin, you know, and

sometimes that's spider -man 129 You know, which

I still have it's not in great shape That's not

a buck in the no that's not in the one buck bit

anymore. It's not the one anymore. No It may

have been you know You know years ago back in

the day. Yeah. Yeah, I think I got mine for like

50 bucks and it wasn't a great condition, but

it was like, you know what I'm a poor kid From

the Midwest. This is the best I'm gonna be able

to do You know and I picked it up but like and

my buddy when we were younger and reading through

The X -Men, you know, he got a copy of What was

Hulk 181 for that is that I think it's 181 it

was the first Wolverine Yeah, 181 is the first

appearance of Wolverine. Yes. Yeah, he actually

he oh, I don't know if he still owns it I you

know, it's like a friend of mine from high school

I could probably call him and ask him but but

yeah, he had a copy of that and we read it And

it was like well, there's nothing special about

this. He doesn't even look right, you know But

now you go to the comic -con and you see him

on the show for five grand Yeah, it's like It's

you know, it's kind of like did you remember

a couple years ago they had that that show collection

intervention on One of the A &E or something

or I forget how my wife would call them No, don't

even on collection intervention. It's the show

people I'll have a link somewhere in the show

lady goes in and it's you know these These these

guys are these collectors. There was a female

Star Wars collector She goes in and it's kind

of like hoarders, but for people like you yeah

Collect liquor, you know that it's that kind

of thing. Yeah and This one guy sold off half

his comic collection Just to get a Hulk 181 Wow

Yeah Uh, really quickly, while you were telling

your story, I went back. It was, uh, superior

Spider -Man number four and the dynamic pose.

It's a more of a dynamic. It's not just a standard

Spider -Man pose. It's a, it's a dynamic pose

where he is, um, full, full swing arms out and

there's webs all over him, but I'm like $25 for

that. No, thank you. You know, it's just it's

just one of those things that just rubbed me

the wrong way and I'm like, what the hell? Because

I couldn't I couldn't stay in the original the

original cover anyway So you're into the Punisher

that surprises me. Actually, I did not think

you were into the Punisher Yeah, I really liked

the Punisher. Um, the other thing I liked a lot

was the alien versus predator And that was before

they had movies, you know before before the properties

really took off on their own. And yeah, I really,

really liked those. And pretty much any, like

Dark Horse had a bunch of aliens and stuff that

I really liked. And I would collect that. And

then like I said, in the 90s, you know, comic

book collecting exploded and people, all sorts

of people. My aunt, my aunt's like, hey, I hear

comic books are really cool now. Maybe you could

tell me what to get. and which is it's like yeah

because i'm not dorky enough uh people people

who want to know about dorky stuff are contacting

me um well uh who who drew who drew um when the

x -men rebooted in the 90s it was uh oh i don't

know x -men number one and i think i want to

say it was gosh i want to say like jim lee or

somebody Did not do the art for that. I forget

it was a long time ago But like that's one of

those ahead like five comic book covers and you

put them all end to end and it made like a poster

You know and and I bought like one of each and

my aunt bought one of each and now they're worth

about five cents each But it's still a cool poster

it's neat it's cool I have I have a red and stimpy

number one scratch and sniff cover that smells

like puke It smells like vomit and I've got one

in the bag and one out of the bag and I You know,

I if I ever dig these out of the closet and try

to try to smell them again It'll probably smell

the same. It's terrible 20 years later. Oh god,

I still smells they did a lot of weird covers

back then They do a lot of weird covers nowadays,

too DC more than than Marvel honestly DC Almost

every month in the last two or three years has

had a special variant month I know one of the

Harley the current series for Harley Quinn one

of her The variance was a scratch and sniff weed

cover. And I'm like, wait a minute, wait, wait,

wait. You're DC Comics. You're Under Warner Brothers.

You're supposed to be somewhat of a family enterprise.

I mean, granted, you people aren't Disney. But

I mean, come on now. A scratch and sniff weed

cover for Harley Quinn? Give me a break. Yeah.

I don't want to say that's outside of character.

But she does have a plant lady girlfriend. Don't

know what kind of plants she's growing. It's

just saying Yeah So at some point we can't even

put air quotes over girlfriend now that no That's

awesome, I like that and the fan art that's coming

out from that it's just like I Like it I like

it I'm not gonna complain So as I was saying

eventually I stopped collecting comic books and

oh I think I just got I think I was just a broke

college student for a while and just could not

afford comic books at all because they were and

back then they were only two bucks each but my

pull bag had like 20 comics a week it was getting

really ridiculous and so I had to stop I put

all my comics away actually no I got rid of like

half of them so The punishers that were formerly

from the dollar bin, you know, the ones that

would weren't worth anything You probably never

be worth anything. I got rid of all those The

like first appearance of Punisher first Prince

of cable first appearance of Deadpool Those are

all put away plastic bagged and acid -free mylar

I can't even get to them because they're covered

in transformers In the transformer closet way

in the corner can't even get to him I actually

found and I'll be able to put it in the post.

I actually found God, I almost called it fables.

It's not famous I actually found the elf quest

18 cover and I'm looking on here and it says

a dollar 50 so really That's what it says on

there So let's just say back in the day if you

took a dollar 50 and you said you had 20 books

That would be $30. Okay $30 a month or whatever,

however many books you got per month or whatever.

If you take today's prices, let's just say at

$3 .99 times $20, you're basically doubling your

cost. You'd be spending $80 for 20 books at the

current rates. Oh yeah, it was $1 .50 when it

first came out. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought you

meant how it's just worth currently. I was about

to say, whoa, yipes. No, I'm saying the actual

one. I might have to go buy it again. No, no,

no. Let's clarify for the listeners. I found

the cover you said. the wolf armor cover elf

quest number 18 on the image that i found it

says the cover price is a dollar fifty which

is back in the day no no no i'm not talking about

what it might be today i have no idea what it

might be today i'm just saying is that not a

cool cover though yeah it is a kick -ass cover

i was just walking down the street and my fifth

grade software holy shit this is awesome right

i gotta i gotta look into this and see what this

is all about yeah but but uh i mean i I enjoy

pop culture, and that includes movies and cartoons

and science fiction and comic books. So while

I don't actively collect comic books anymore,

I still keep up. I still enjoy the art. I enjoy

the storylines. And I don't mind reading the

spoilers. So I understand what the Spider -Verse

is. I understand what Superior Spider -Man is,

even though I'm not Spending four bucks a comic

anymore That when um, oh Dreamwave when dreamwave

started doing uh Transformers and it was like,

oh look at this. I'm back in the comics, baby

And I would buy some and they were just so I

mean the art was amazing because we just basically

didn't have any transformers Art at all. There

was no g1 transformers art at all until dreamwave

came out and then suddenly we're inundated with

it and At the time it was really great Even if

it was overly detailed and to block you it was

really great But the stories were horrible and

I just I just couldn't judge They were terrible

just terrible and I couldn't justify spending

that much money on comics. So I gave it up for

a while and When IDW came out with their stuff,

you know at first it was like well that you know

You know the arts different. I don't know But

you know lately and we've had this conversation

before in the in the in the uh The recent past

um lately the writing has just been so amazing

Yeah, yeah, like james rob is just such a fantastic

writer See, that's that's the funny thing and

and I know i'm gonna get crucified for saying

this but Ever since Dark Cybertron ended, ever

since the first big IDW Transformers event, Dark

Cybertron, I've felt less than whole, reading

more than meets the eye. Like, I can't connect

with it anymore. Like, I read up to issue 36,

and then I just couldn't read 37 and 38, and

then I had to jump back on for 39. Because that's

when combiner wars the the next big event combiner

wars combiner wars was great. I thought I mean

Yeah, I have not read the combiner wars yet to

be honest. Oh, yeah. No, I I think I read the

first or maybe the second wind blade uh -huh,

um so yeah somewhere around the the dark cybertron

event I kind of fell off and I want to say because

the writing was disjointed I mean, they really

tried, but, you know, the writing between their

two different series is so different that when

they tried to flip -flop, when they tried to

mesh in all the different storylines, and, I

mean, I like that they did it with different

art styles. It's like, this storyline has this

art style, and this storyline has this art style.

And it was neat. I liked it. It helped to clarify

what you were reading, but... You know, the stories

themselves didn't mesh very well. And the gestalt,

if you will, the sum of its parts didn't come

together. It didn't mesh well for me. It didn't

gel. It didn't congeal. It's about where I dropped

off, really. Yeah. For pretty much all of them.

I don't think I've read even more than meets

the eye, which I loved, which was fantastic.

I don't think I... Don't think I've read since

then I'll have to go back and pick them up. I

mean combiner wars was interesting because It

only has to do with the book formerly known as

robots in disguise and wind blade Like more than

meets the eye is off on its own thing. So it's

not it's not all three of the series coming together

It's two of the three current series that we're

coming together. Yeah, and it just It was really,

really cool. I thought it was really interesting.

And I mean, come on, it's combiners. Everybody

loves combiners, right? I love combiners. I mean,

come on. I actually went out and bought some

combiners. I haven't transformed them yet. They're

still in the packages, but I got like the first

four. I got the Optimus and the Silverbolt. It's

hard for me to justify the price because they're

like 16 bucks each. And it kind of hurts a little

in the pocketbook You know, especially lately

because I've been It's been an expensive year

so far, you know, they had they replaced the

garage door, you know We put in a pool and had

some car trouble and blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah and next thing, you know, we're we're

We're like, hey, I don't think I can justify

spending $16 on on a figure. That was 999 a couple

years ago Yeah, no that yeah, yeah, it's hard.

I mean yeah, I mean I Built the majority of my

collection on deluxe figures that were 9 .99

and now they're they're not I saw all the new

stuff that are coming out. It's like wow. I want

it. I want it all but at the same time it's like

Yeah, I want it all but I could probably lie

a regular g1 Devastator for the same price now

that I that I'm gonna buy The combiner. Yeah,

the combiner wears Devastator. It's like wow,

I could go on eBay and get one main condition

for 150 bucks or Or I could buy this new one

It's a hard sell. Yeah. Yeah at this point what

would yeah, I mean, yeah comics are The difference

between comics and toys, as far as price goes,

is it depends on what type of person you are,

whether you want to... Because I used to be this

way. I recently, I think about a year ago or

so, I've completely changed my ways now that

I learned that a certain option was available

on a PC, not just a tablet or a phone or whatever.

I've always been that person and I know a lot

of people that are like this. I want the physical

copy in my hand I want to be able to actually

hold it, you know, whatever right about a year

ago I found out that Comixology had you know

You could actually use their website on a computer

and you can actually view the comics there and

I'm like digital who needs print I mean, I do

still buy print stuff, but I buy the trades.

I don't buy a lot of single issues anymore, right?

And ever since I found Comixology and their Guided

View, I know some people like viewing just the

one page, but that Guided View, man, it is so

damn good. It takes you through piece by piece.

It's basically like reading its storyboard form.

For people that can't handle looking at an entire

page. Well, yeah frame here you go Like for me

and this is probably because I'm all the stress

I was under last year when my mom was getting

ill. Yeah You know, I'd go to the comic shop

every every Wednesday and I'd be you know happy

and whatever I'd get the books that I want to

get and Come home and be like, okay. Well, I've

got four new comics to read. I really want to

read these comics I really want to see what's

happening next in the books that I'm really reading,

you know, really enjoying. Yeah. Yeah I Pick

up the first one by the fifth page The book is

falling out of my hand because I'm falling asleep

because I'm so tired from everything else I was

doing and it was like I'd rather sit here at

my computer where I know I have to stay awake

or else my head will hit the desk You know, I'd

rather sit here with my little finger on on the

right arrow key and just cycle through and honestly

the guided view is It's a more immersive way

to show the story to me. Yeah pulls you through.

Yeah Exactly. I don't I don't necessarily need

that. Well, like we had this conversation before

where um, you know, i'm going to the comic con

this weekend Mike zech is gonna be there. Mike

zech did the art for the original uh, four -issue

punisher miniseries Oh interesting and it's like

man, uh, you know, well Have a physical copy

of this I can give it to him say could you sign

this for me? I was I was a huge fan and it's

an honor to meet you You know, what are you doing

lately here sign this, please? I can't do that

with a digital copy. Well, no, and I understand

that but I mean, yeah, but see Look at me. How

many conventions have I been to? Well, yeah Lexington

conventions coming up. Are you talking about

that or did it already happen? I don't even know

when that is. That was if I was gonna actually

move to that city. Where you at again? I thought

you were close to Lexington. An hour and a half

away. Oh, never mind. The other major city in

the state, Louisville, Kentucky. But it's one

of those things where... I'm sure Louisville

has a Comic -Con. Yeah, they have several throughout

the year, but nothing... Big as like c2e2 or

oh, you know, we don't have a wizard world No

Chicago's got three of them now. Yeah to wizard

worlds and one c2e2 I'm really surprised that

c2e2 has not as they've progressed through the

years and gotten better and better or worse and

worse I don't know cuz I've never been to the

thing. Yeah, I hear nothing. I hear nothing It's

give or take it depends, you know, I'm really

surprised they haven't gone and changed it every

year. Like after it was C2E2, C3E3, C4E4. Oh,

no, no. The 2 stands for 2. It's the Chicago

Comic and Entertainment Expo. It's two seasons.

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Am I over -analyzing? No,

I don't want to. Yeah. So Let me get back to

my story. What was I? Oh, yeah, so so yeah that

brings us into the to the present where we're

mostly I I pick up most my comic knowledge from

like Pinterest now and Tumblr People just post

like pages of comic books on tumblr And then

the link to them and I'll you know, I'll be checking

through through, you know, whatever your Facebook

or something someone will say oh look here's

Somebody links Deadpool and I'll you know, I'll

read half a Deadpool book just sitting on tumblr

See, I can't do that. I mean cuz I want you know,

if I see a cool panel or something. Yeah in my

Cuz I remember a buddy of mine people on that

listen to the podcast will know Joe Reed who

does the turtles the TMNT coverage with me I

showed him the guided view and he's like, oh

wow. This is so fancy This is like, you know

holding your pinkies up in the air Yeah No, it's

really not tea with a pinky in the air Exactly

I showed this to him and I took a couple of screen

caps from from the guided view from certain panels

of certain team and like so I'll take a screen

cap of you know one or two panels or you know

something like that but I would never ever put

a full comic on that that no yeah yeah Just it's

fine. If people want to do that. I'm not you

know, I don't know the copyright people come

on. Yeah That's yeah, I mean it's like, you know

not that I'm complaining because I like to read

it But I'm like I said, I'm not gonna spend four

bucks on one but I don't know the copyright You

know what? I've been reading lately that I've

really enjoyed is the the new Star Wars stuff

that's coming out. Yes Have you caught up on

Darth Vader yet? I only think Darth Vader five

And and at the end of that he was like be introduced

to his replacements, which he was Probably gonna

lay waste to in the very beginning of six But

I hadn't gotten that far five Last time I talked

to you it was only issue three. Oh, yeah Well,

you know and I really like the supporting characters

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that I like the the

kind of Weird chaotic neutral Indiana Jones girl,

you know, I kind of like her. That's dr. Afri.

Yeah, I like her and I mean I like how she's

just so blunt with him. She's just like She knows

she knows her place. Yeah, she she knows she's

gonna die any day He's like, you know when it

happens could can I please have you know chop

off my head with a lightsaber? Cuz I think that

would be cool, you know, it's like Yeah, all

right. Where's Mace Window when you really need

him? Yeah, and you gotta wonder, like, what does,

uh... What do you think Vader's thinking about

this? He's just like, this chick is so weird.

He's just... You know, he's all ready to break

character and be like, all right, settle down.

But he doesn't. He's still Vader. He's, you know...

See, that's the coolest thing about... That's

the coolest thing about the current run with

the Darth Vader series written by Kieran Gillian

is that I Don't want to see Vader outside of

his own Oh God if they if he took him if the

writers took him out of character That would

just be so off -putting to me. No, you know No,

not necessarily cuz like I I forget I don't remember

what comic it was, but I've seen pieces of it.

You've got Oh, it was Vader in Bespin and Vader

he just lost Luke Skywalker. No, no, he hadn't

seen Luke Skywalker. Vader was in Bespin and

it was before Chewie found C -3PO in the garbage.

And they said, oh Lord Vader, we stumbled across

this droid and if we hadn't destroyed it, it

would have... It would have alerted our quarry,

you know and vader recognizes him And he kind

of takes his his golden head. This is disembodied

golden head And he kind of touches his forehead

to it, you know, and he he remembers building

c3po And he remembers, you know c3po from the

original trilogy, you know, and he had he kind

of has this thought he's got this, you know this

reminiscence in his head and then He passes it

back and says Destroy it all Yeah, and then they

take it down to the trash bin where the og nuts

get it Yeah, no, what I'm saying is I don't want

to I don't that's touching that I wouldn't have

expected that scene, you know, and I knew he

was there I knew see 3p. It was there. I wouldn't

have expected him to go. Oh, yeah I built this

guy when I was you know eight Yeah, that was

that was it was touching but at the same time.

He's just like destroy it all Have you seen any

of the Ultimate Spider -Man cartoon, the current

one that's going on? Yes, yeah. You know those

times that Spidey breaks in? Does the Ferris

Bueller thing and talks to the audience freeze

frame and then they just kind of like hey, yeah

That's that's what I'm talking about. I don't

ever know you don't see that Yeah, you don't

want to see that she be Darth Vader in the corner

going. Let me tell you about this one time Super

deformed Darth Vader in the corner with a little

teardrop by his head I I've been reading the

Darth Vader series that The Princess Leia five

-issue mini -series, I kind of dropped off on

that one. And I read the first... Is it finished

yet? I've only got to three. Yeah, Princess Leia.

It was only a five -issue mini -series. I think

the current Lando series that just came out is

only going to be five issues too. The main ongoing

Star Wars that Marvel has now, the new ongoing,

I need to catch up with that. I've only read

the first issue. I liked it, but I've just got

so... Because how I really at this point Deem

my comic reading is it depends on what I need

for the show what I need for the podcast so it's

like like I read up to like I said dark side,

you know, I read starting at death of office

primal of the dark Cybertron and Combiner Wars

and all that but like my first IDW transformers

book pre death of optimist prime was last end

of the records and i just read that like a month

and a half ago i've always wanted to read that

i never did it's supposed to be good alright

so the age -old question and i have no idea which

which side of the fence you fall on uh... marvel

or dc or some other indy publisher you know uh...

uh... also i see you fall into that if some other

indy publisher trap for a long time i was i was

really in the dark horse because they had the

alien versus predator they had the star wars

uh... they they you know i i just liked that

stuff uh... but them between the big two i always

liked uh... marvel better Because I just wasn't

a fan of that Golden Age stuff the Well, you

know, I kind of equate Superman with Golden Age

Superman. I kind of equate Wonder Woman with

Golden Age Wonder Woman Batman not so much because

you know, you've got you've got dark and gritty

Batman that everyone's familiar with because

of the movies But even then it's like yeah, it's

Batman everyone knows who Batman is we've seen

the movies but hey look at this X -Men stuff

and Me and like Wolverine. I really liked Wolverine

There was a there was a comic Done by Tim vigil

in the late 80s mid to late 80s called the grips

and Grips was like a blatant ripoff on Wolverine.

It was this this heavily muscled vigilante who

had giant blades on his on his wrists You know

and and the exception was is it was so bloody

and so gross and like he came across this this

this uh pair it was like oh what were they they

were like uh they were like venezuelan twins

that were child molesters and they were like

short you know like chubby and yet heavily muscled

guys in gladiator uniforms, you know, and they

and they were on the lookout for small boys and

grips finds them and you know catches them in

the act and and One guy just cuts his cuts as

a manhood off and stuffs it in his mouth and

says you'll no longer be feeding this to young

boys You can eat it and it's like dude. This

is this is harsh I want to say when I was reading

this I was I wasn't 18 yet because at a certain

point Oh It was Faust at a certain point I tried

to buy Faust which is another comic by Tim vigil

and And the guy wouldn't let me he's like no

kid. You're not old enough. You're not 18. You

can't buy it but Wizard from DC Wizard from what?

Faust no no Faust was a Faust was was a comic

about a guy who he was insane And he saw everything

he saw was was like in hell so he had to reconcile

his his You know what what he saw versus reality

and the reality was you know He was in the same

asylum and his he had a therapist who was trying

to help him But at the same time he he he was

the only one that could see the danger that she

was actually in And it was it's it's it's kind

of deep but at the same time It's Tim Vigil art

Tim Vigil just wants to make everything bleed

in exquisite detail And I actually met him a

few times. Um Not very talkative, you know, but

you know, it's like hey I was a really huge Faust

fan and grips and and I had a copy of like grips

number one That's probably still in a box somewhere.

Oh and Joseph Michael Lindsner he did cry for

dawn I've got all the old cry for dawn stuff

and some of it is signed by him and Joe monks

Who was the original writer back in the 80s who

Tim vigil no longer speaks to for I don't know

reasons Yeah, yeah, but that guy yeah, he's a

jerk Never meet your idols kids, you know, I

mean when I was when I was a teenager I used

to draw like cry for dawn stuff in a sketch pad

tried, you know I drew a lot, you know, I tried

to tried to imitate what his work and You know,

and it was like well I even had a video it was

like the making of cry for dawn and it was like

this old VHS cassette had had this guy in it

and you know, he had like the same background

as me and and it was It was like, wow, I can

identify with this guy. And when you meet him,

he's just like, yeah, I don't know. You get the

fuck away. It's like, oh, yeah. It's like, oh,

you're breaking my heart here. I'm such a huge

fan. He's like, yeah, go away. Go away, kid.

You bother me. I'm trying to draw you. It's it's

May. May he rest in peace, but it's kind of like,

you know, Leonard Nimoy at a convention. Uh,

well, let's we gotta clarify. Leonard Nimoy at

a convention in the 70s, you know, because The

renaissance of the of the uh of uh Star trek

really benefited him because he was in the next

generation as Spock, you know And he was in the

new movies the jj amor's movies as Spock And

he was making money as Spock, but there was this

period of time when he wasn't directing Star

Trek movies and he wasn't in anything Star Trek,

where he was just sick of that character and

didn't want anything to do with it. Well, right,

but I'm talking about a few years ago somebody

told me a story it might have been you it might

have been somebody else I can't remember who

told me the story basically told me is actually

I think it was proto man or some I don't remember

anyway They told me this story where they were

going to meet Leonard Nimoy at a convention This

is recently with least within the it has to be

in the last seven years that I podcasted Leonard

Nimoy line, obviously four and a half five hours.

Oh, yeah. Yeah You know, you gotta meet this

guy before he dies. Oh, too late. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Where's the rim shot after that one? I felt the

same way when I met Stan Lee. I'm like, you know

what? I'm paying 80 bucks to meet Stan Lee because

he could die next year. This guy's like 90. It's

one of those things where this Leonard Nimoy

encounter basically was, you know, you got there,

he had everybody waiting in line for three to

four hours, you got up there and, oh, I'm taking

a lunch break, so you had to wait even longer.

Yeah. You guys gotta eat, man. It's crazy. I'm

going to eat now. Okay, so besides the Transformers,

are there any other comics currently that you're

interested in? Or that you're reading nuts. Well,

you know, there's there's a star war stuff. Um,

yeah and And uh, you know, uh, I think that's

about it I I don't so much read I don't buy the

books anymore, you know, I i'll get i'll i'll

read part of it here part of it there or uh You

know or I I hear spoilers someone's gonna post

it somewhere And as much as it's appreciated

that people post non -spoiler reviews, at the

same time, I'd rather read the spoiler reviews

because then I get the story. I know what's happening.

I like it when people compare stuff to older

storylines because it's like, oh, now you've

got this new spider -verse or a new universe

within the spider -verse where Peter Parker is

still married to Mary Jane and versus the one

last day. Sorry, was it one last day or one final

day where where he makes it? Yeah, he makes them

deal with Mephisto and he's no longer married

and Everybody hated that and you know, and I

understand what what thought process went into

that and I understand why they tried to back

out of it But You know if I hadn't read these

spoilers, I I would not be caught up on these

storylines because I don't actually read the

comic It depends like when I write comic reviews

because I've been running comic reviews for the

last few years on geekcastradio .com It depends

on if I want to like if I have that inkling to

After I read the comic. Oh my god. Let's go ahead

and go through the process of grabbing images

Yeah, let's go ahead and start writing the review

right now and if it's like if I write the review

the day of release Then I will put spoiler free

if I write it like Week after that books been

out. Yeah, then to hell with the spoilers like

my Darth Vader written reviews. I was like three

months behind Like I had stopped it at writing

the reviews at like issue three and I'm like,

okay read issue four issue five and issue six

and issue seven and but you know blah blah blah

and all this and all that yeah, and i'd just

said that all that it's been months since this

has been out and i'm just gonna spoil the crap

out of it you know you know if people like it

they like it if they don't they don't uh... uh...

you know what are you all are you since you know

for those that don't know on the pullback and

as michael's kind of alluded to uh... earlier

he has a collection of transformers toys Do this

collection is the only collection his wife allows

him to have not a lot of except with the exception

of One Perry the Platypus and Dr. Doof insurance

thing. That's right Yeah With you only being

allowed to have one collection, are you going

to get your sons into reading comics? Not necessarily

saying that that is going to be their collecting

things, because I'm sure that you're going to

let them collect the toys. Right. But are you

getting Aiden and Gavin into comics at all? I

have tried and it didn't take. We have a local

comic book store and I'm friends with the owner.

He's a nice guy. You know, he does a lot of neat

things for the community. He likes wrestling

He brings a lot of wrestlers in like Jake the

snake Roberts was here at his shop not too long

ago Yeah, yeah, it was cool. Um, some other guys

I don't I don't recognize them unless they're

really old, you know Like like making the rounds

at Comic Con old But yeah, but yeah, I mean he

I like to bring the kids in there every so often

And, you know, Gavin likes the Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles, and I've gotten him a couple turtles.

But he's just not comfortable enough reading

at that level. Like I said, you know, you have

this target audience and not old enough. He's

not he's not really there yet. He's well, I mean,

he's a second grade. He really should be. Yeah,

he should be ready. But and Aidan, Aidan can

read at that level. Yeah. He just doesn't want

to yeah, I mean we're we're reading chapter books

now Every night like earlier tonight. We read

a chapter of a book But I mean at the third grade

level, but for some reason you know it's like

you give him a comic book And he's like oh, yeah,

that's nice. Thanks. You know he puts it aside

He looks at the pictures and takes a pass on

it Yeah I'll suggest for Gavin And I'm sure you

know they had this IDW has the TMNT It was the

new animated adventures it's now rebranded as

Amazing adventures or something or other regular

adventures. It's no it's there regular adventures.

It's It's the comic that IDW does that doesn't

necessarily tie into the current cartoon but

it's based on the current cartoon. You know what

I mean? It's based on those designs, those characters.

I think that's the one. He's got four or five

issues of that. Well, this one, this soft reboot

or so, I think it is called Amazing Adventures

now. They just released it, a new number one.

So, you know, you could maybe... haven't checked

that out. Check that one out, yeah. I'm trying

to think, well, they both like superheroes, right?

Yeah, yeah, no, they both like superheroes. They

could, you could maybe try them out on, you can

maybe try them out on DC's six -issue mini -series

that's currently going on Batmite. It's a fun

book. It's written by Dan Jergens and the artist

by Corin Howell. I read an interview with Dan

and Corrin and in I forget where they might have

been on Comicvine .com, I don't remember. In

the interview, Corrin says her art style for

Batmite is, her inspirations are stuff like Looney

Tunes and Tiny Tunes and Animaniacs and this

book is very that kind of style of drawing and

coloring. But it's just so fun. The latest issue

that's come out was issue number three. And it's

the premise of the Batmite six -issue miniseries

is, Batmite's already helped Batman. He's done.

He needs to help the rest of the heroes. So the

first two issues - I can always hear the quotes

around help. Yeah. The first two issues was a

two -parter where he was trying to help Hawkman.

The third issue, he's trying to help Damian Wayne.

Everybody should know by now my thoughts on Deckhead

Damian Wayne. I don't know them. I cannot stand

that character. Worst Robin ever. In Batmite

number three, they actually, between the writing

and the art, they actually make me almost enjoy

Damian only because it's Batmite that's having

to deal with him. So it's a fun little book.

Another one I will suggest, even though you'll

probably rake me over the coals for it, is certain

issues of Scooby -Doo Team Up might be a good

thing for the boys. Okay. I'll buy that, sure.

There's two issues that I'm thinking about in

particular. There's one where Scooby and the

gang team up with the Flintstones, and the next

one is they team up with the Jetsons. The current

run of it, the current issues that are out now,

I think he's teaming up with Secret Squirrel.

So that might be some fun kind of stuff. I don't

know. So Yeah, I think what other recommendations

can I give for you because I'm trying to think

here, um, it's really hard You know for that

for the age range, you know, yeah Well, I'm just

saying like I'm trying to think of for you. I'm

trying to think of what I can recommend that

I've read for you if you're into like the If

you've ever liked any kind of the Robin Hood

mythology for something that's gonna basically

twist all that around, I would check out Xenoscope's

Robin Hood series. That's the one with the girl

with cleavage? Yeah. Yeah, okay. To be... to

clarify... Yeah. I like boobs, you know? Alright.

Yeah, but that's beside the point. I found an

old interview with the owners of Xenoscope Entertainment,

and one of the questions in that was about the

covers and how revealing they are. The co -owners

or the co -publishers said, well, we do that

for the fans, for the people who are getting

the single issues when they do the trades, because

the trades are usually ending up in Barnes and

Noble and stuff like that, and they're ending

up in bookstores and stuff like that. They kind

of tone it down. They kind of tone it back. Yeah,

that's fair. Honestly, the more striking you

can make a cover, the more likely that people

who are just walking through the comic store

are going to see it. It goes back to ElfQuest

18. That's a striking cover. A lot of people

walk by and see a really cool looking cover,

and they go, wow, that's something I need to

check out. I've seen a lot of crappy covers.

It just makes you want to pass. See, I try to

avoid the crappy covers. This is one of the reasons

why. In the in the two or three years of the

pullback has been around since I've been doing

this show I Have found out in doing like the

Punisher month that we did and doing them a couple

of marvelous marches that we've done That I'm

not a fan and even when we did the Batman month

this year and last year I'm not a fan of anything

really Before 1999, honestly, as far as the art

style goes, as far as the covers go, it just

doesn't appeal to me at all. Because I wasn't

collecting comics in the 80s and 90s. You know

what the cutoff for me is? Oh, Criminy. What's

the name? Spawn. Spawn is published by... I'm

a terrible fan for not knowing the top cow. No,

no top cow. It was also published by People probably

screaming people are screaming. Yeah, so in the

90s, right you had the these Comic artists who

said we're sick Not having the rights to our

own characters at DC and Marvel. So they all

came together. Yeah, we'll we'll sport a chio

and and and that one guy who did X -Force and

He did young heel so they came together. They

did young blood. They did spawn. They did silver

Hawk silver Nighthawk was the guy's just like

a silver Hawk that broke people's spines that

guy The the the savage dragon The max, you know

all of these came from the same publisher That

was that was creamage image. They were image

comics. Damn it image comics, you know, and when

I When I you know first really started getting

into it in the comic collecting image was had

just formed And it was like, wow, this spawn

is awesome. And the reason it was awesome was

because they didn't have the traditional 18 -color

coloring system. It wasn't like four colors printed

on newsprint. It was beautiful. Each one was

like a painting. And that is where you draw the

line between older comics and the modern. Modern

stuff Yeah That's where I draw the line. Anyway,

I mean you even like like the Star Wars stuff

that came out of Dark Horse the oh What was the

name of the the one that was? Early gosh was

Luke Skywalker is tempted to the dark side by

a clone of the Empire Dark Empire Okay, and it

was all done. It was all done in watercolor It

was a beautiful, beautiful comic and it had glossy

covers and it was fully painted. It was just,

you know, it's like, wow, I can have a copy of

this or I could have a copy of, you know, the

classic Marvel stuff that was in eight colors,

you know, printed on newsprint. It's like, no,

I want to go for this watercolor beauty here.

Yeah, you go for the watercolors more than the...

Yeah. It's like the new watercolor stuff or do

I want like reprints of the Marvel stuff that

that featured a? Seven foot tall green rabbit,

you know, it's like what? There's a benefit there,

you know Yes, although all this old crappy green

rabbit stuff or do I want the new hotness, you

know, and I got all the new hot Oh God, I can't

believe you just pulled out a black reference

Old and busted. Old and busted. You're hot in

this. That's right. Old and busted. I can't believe

you just pulled that out. Alright, I'm trying

to think of other suggestions that I can give

you. I'm happy with following up little by little

with the Transformers and the... You know, and

again, like the spoilers, I wish I knew more

about the whole Wolverine thing. So Wolverine

dies and then, like, anyone who has any type

of strain of Wolverine DNA in them suddenly comes

out of the woodwork to claim the title. Oh, you're

talking about the Wolverine's ongoing or the

Wolverine's... Yeah, and I'm like, this is interesting,

but I... Yeah, I'm confused. Again, I haven't

read it and I haven't read enough spoilers. And

it's like, I'd like to learn more, but... Haven't

even I think I think and this is a huge spoiler

for people who listen to the pull bag I don't

want us to do more Marvelous March stuff. Yeah,

I believe in 2016 for Marvelous March. We were

going to be covering death of Wolverine and potentially

First couple issues of Wolverine's I have not

gotten into any of that I knew they I knew they

were killing him Yeah, and I knew they were going

to do the Wolverine's thing because I saw it

in the solicitations But they're doing the same

damn thing over at DC with we are Robin and it's

like wait, why did they kill Robin? Oh, well,

they killed Damien Wayne and then they brought

him back Like how have you been? No, I see they

got a red hood now. Yeah. Yeah, but they I don't

know. The whole Damian Wayne thing is just a

whole soapbox. I don't want to get on. But basically

what happened was they killed Damian Wayne. They

then sent Batman on a journey to find his body

and get him back from Ra's al Ghul and blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever the hell happened.

I don't know. I didn't read it. I read parts

of it. I just couldn't. Couldn't handle it. I

just don't have enough vested interest in Damien

Wayne to really give a crap. I Saw him in the

car. I saw him in one of the animated movies

Yeah, I mean in the movies he's he's still a

dickhead he's fine, but at least it's at least

it's animation Yeah, it's not it's something

you can actually watch. I don't know. Yeah but

basically they brought that they killed and they

brought him back and they did this whole year

-long event called Batman eternal and Now they're

gonna be doing a six -month event called Batman

and Robin eternal But they also have this new,

I don't know if it's a six -issue mini -series

or what it's supposed to be, but they have this

new series called We Are Robin, where it's basically

to play to the teenagers of this generation that

everybody has a damn cell phone, everybody's

on Facebook, everybody's on Twitter, and all

the... Well, I got the impression it was like

they formed their own little Robin court. And

yeah, they're you know, they're all trying to

you know, they're trying to clean up the streets

You know vigilante style by using the the Robin

moniker, which is it's all well and good But

you got to remember Robin was already an athlete

and an acrobat before he met Well, Tim Drake

let's say was was was already an athlete an acrobat

before he met Batman and then Batman taught him

how to fight and detect Tim was That's a whole

other bag, but you're think the acrobat and the

circus yeah, no that was that was the flying

Grayson's the flying gravestones I Just told

somebody's joke. I thought it was so funny. I

don't remember who said it though I think it

might have been it might have been under who

said that When I read yeah when I listened to

his he did say flying gravestones. That's funny

funny stuff He is hilarious. Yeah, I I dig him

I've met him once or twice and each time I meet

him. He doesn't recognize me but But yeah, he

really good guy. I like him Any other comic stuff

any other stories you want to tell comic stories

do I You know what I don't like? I don't like

Transformers that are bundled with comics Yeah,

because it's like, you know, I've already read

the comic and now I'm kind of reluctant to open

the package because there's a comic inside But

isn't that supposed to basically entice people

to either buy one or the other? Isn't that just

a giant toy ad really? I mean, come on the comic

is basically a giant toy ad I mean, you can't

tell me that because now it's like combiner wars.

Well, that's a toy ad um you know and that's

not i didn't get go down that path but it's like

more than meets the eye is not a toy ad oh no

wait yeah it is but no well more than meets the

eye in the our book formerly known as robots

in disguise the main transformers they're not

technically toy ads but the two events that they've

done dark cybertron and combiner wars they made

the hasbro made idw turn it into a toy ad yeah

don't get me wrong Combiner Wars story was awesome

the end of Dark Cybertron. I would say the last

two issues was damn good considering its shockwave.

Yeah, but Yeah, the rest of both of them. They're

just Well, it's annoying because it's like oh

look we have our Armada or Starscream says I

have the shiny new Armada a Transformers body

and and look there's a deluxe sized Armada Starscream

on them on the shelves right now It's like that

was like the worst body ever. It was just like

I want to say it was a crappy mold, but it was

a mold based around a gimmick that should have

died a long time ago. Why are we still seeing

this? When they gave him that body in the comic,

I was like, what the flying? Yeah. I was like,

we have such high. Yeah. And now they've brought

him back to his traditional G1 colors. Did they?

Oh, well. Everything looks better in Starscream

colors, but at the same time it's like a fall

of Cybertron Starscream awesome mold Fantastic

fantastic figure Well, you know, he looks really

good. We'll put it that way. Yeah, why couldn't

he why couldn't he stay with that? Well, because

that's not what's on the shelves right now. Sorry.

Yeah. Yeah, so I mean that bothers me uh... it's

like if i wanted a comic i'd go buy a comic i

don't want a comic i want a toy i want to open

up and play with it it's like i want a toy at

a decent price point but because you shove the

comic in there it's seventeen bucks now no i

don't think so i honestly don't care it has nothing

to do with the comic all the deluxe toys cost

seventeen bucks not just the ones with comics

it has nothing to do with them Slipping in a

very slim. What is that? Maybe a five page book

six page, but really I don't know I haven't opened

it. I can't I don't know how many are in there

I don't know how many pages are in it, but I

don't know I'd have to ask somebody who has opened

one, but I saw so I saw somebody in a video review

that did one and he kind of Opened the comic

and kind of flipped through it and it looked

like there was only four or five. I don't know

Well, it makes you wonder if you have a copy

of the comic and you take all the ads out, how

many real pages do you have left? In a standard

comic, 20 pages. You're supposed to have 20 pages

no matter what. Yeah. IDW, basically anybody

that's not Marvel in DC usually puts all their

ads at the back of the book. After they tell

the story like every every IDW issue at this

point It's all story and then the ads and stuff

is at the back of the book So you're not you

know, you're not counting. I did this in the

early days of the pullback I used to actually

count ad pages as I would go through a comic

and review it Okay, so we've got this kind of

story right here and this is going on and Batman's

doing this and Nightwing's doing this and Batgirl's

hanging upside down and then oh wait Here's an

ad for game of jones or the here's an ad for

uh... uh... lego land star wars bulls it's like

yeah okay so and pick one two three four five

donnie that's another's yeah for what i'm reading

now uh... dc is like having half -page ads in

the middle of the story which you know you know

the artists probably hate you know because they

I don't want to say they get paid by the panel,

but they're used to creating pages. And maybe

one page gets pushed to the next page because

there's a full page ad there. That's one of the

greatest things about digital. No ads. No ads.

I understand it's not a physical copy. I understand

you can't take it to a convention and have somebody

sign it. But as a reader of comic books at this

point, For me, digital is the way to go. It's

the way to go. Digital, and if you actually want

the print comics for signing at comic conventions,

get the trades. Yeah. You know, that's the best

advice I can give. Or get yourself a copy of

Transformers Legacy. There you go. That's not

necessarily a comic, but yes. That's not such

a comic, but it makes a good signature piece.

Oh, absolutely. You have like a million of them

on there now, don't you? Yeah, it's awesome.

All right. Where can the people find you online,

sir? I'm in the same place I've been for the

last six years or so. You know, Facebook, Twitter.

Six years? You've only been on Twitter for six

years? No, no, no, no. I mean, I was going to

say how long have we been doing this? Oh, yeah.

Six years. Something like that. But yeah, no,

I think I've been on Twitter for like seven or

eight. Yeah, it's been forever Yeah, so p -concord

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you ass I couldn't I could you didn't spell it

all the way out and I couldn't finish the joke

All right folks coming up next here in the pull

bag just to let you know we may not have a few

episodes We've got team angel is off on conventions.

They are overseas attending auto assembly little

of yeah, I'm in the middle of moving or I will

be in the middle of moving. So the next thing

you're going to hear from the full bag is Michael

and I are actually going to be interviewing IDW

chief Transformers editor, John Barber. So we'll

be interviewing him next week. And that will

probably be the kind of final episode or kind

of final release for the pull bag until after

my move is complete. So that's what's going on

with the pull bag. Please go check out our past

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one bathroom. So that's what's going on with

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