Spider-Man Blue and Return of the Black Cat

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and welcome to The Pole Bag. This is episode

62, part of Marvelous March, our 2014 spotlight,

covering five different Marvel heroes. Last time

you heard movie rule, Dan and I talk about...

Captain America Man Outta Time and Hulk Planet

Hulk. This time around JT and I have a couple

of Spidey trades to talk about. First we're going

to talk about Spider -Man Blue. And then it was

suggested to me to get Spider -Man Kraven's Last

Hunt. Could not find it anywhere at all. Couldn't

really find it and I could not... Find it when

I did find that it wasn't at a decent price Honestly,

I'd say it's worth it at any price cuz it's like

one of the spider -man stories I mean, I'm not

saying that That it's not worth the price if

you have the money to spend the price on it So

what you're saying is the wallet isn't that deep

this month? Okay, okay But I'm of course TF2

and Mike and he is JT from Saskatoon and we are

here today as I said to talk about two Spider

-Man trades and funny how that happens Yeah,

really at least on this show time ladies and

gentlemen, we're going way back in time, you

know It's one of those things though where I

was like, okay, cuz The way I wanted to do Marvelous

March was I wanted to cover at least two stories.

My goal for Marvelous March was, as I said in

episode 61, is that I wanted to get Spider -Man

or I wanted to get stories from these five characters

that were basically just one shots that I didn't

need to read X number of extra other crossover

bullsnot stuff to understand it. So after I couldn't

find Craven's last hunt, I was like, okay, well,

I'll look on instocktrades .com and I'll see

what we can find. And I came upon Return of the

Black Cat. And I'm like, ooh, I like the black

cat. This'll work out well. Any initial thoughts

about the books we're gonna cover today? Well,

the... like you said, we're going to look at

Spider -Man Blue and the story, like you mentioned

off -air, they thought maybe it was an alternate

reality. This actually takes place in like the

golden era of Spider -Man in the late 60s where

the great Steve Ditko was moving on from the

title to do other things, most notably with DC

at the time where he had a hand in creating the

Jack Rider and the Creeper, and John Romita Sr.

came on and he went on to become like one of

my favorite Spider -Man artists he became one

of the definitive Spider -Man artists and this

is still like I said Golden Age of Spider -Man

where you weren't getting crab villains like

the willow of the wisp or anything and that's

an actual villain is like oh look at me I have

long blonde hair and I can turn into mist yes

ooh so threatening you know But it involves a

lot of Spidey's classic rogues gallery like Blizzard,

OG Goblin, Norman Osborn, Kraven, The Rhino.

And it's just like, oh, why couldn't you just

stay here, Spider -Man? Clone Saga, what's that?

Yeah. So this is like I said, this is like classic

era Spidey. And then we'll look at the... the

mod some of the more better modern era spider

-man with the return of the black cat comics

which actually in terms of tone and if Not necessarily

stories really harken back to this classic era

spidey, but we'll get into that later on. Oh,

yeah Oh, yeah, so First up is spider -man blue

after this. I'm Gwen Stacy This is Mary Jane

Watson. Oh Oh, it's so nice to finally meet you.

Pete talks about you all the time. Oh? Gwen is

my lab partner in Dr. Connor's class. Pete's

something of a genius. I'd be completely lost

without him. Which actually reminds me, Pete,

if you've got a picture of my kiss with Spider

-Man, could you bring it to class? I'd really

love it. For my portfolio. Alright, Spider -Man

Blue, written by Jeff Loeb, art by Tim Sale.

Now I know a lot of people see this is the thing

this is why I love this podcast is because All

you old fogies who have been around comics longer

than I have as far as knowing everything about

them Can make your opinions known about certain

writers and artists and etc etc etc But for me

a lot of this stuff is first time reading and

I know a lot of people hate Jeff Loeb Hates a

strong word Jeff Loeb is always in good graces

with me because he wrote the script for the Schwarzenegger

film Commando. Oh, my God. Which, you know, has

one of my all -time favorite Arnold Lyons. And

don't disturb my friend here. He's dead tired

after he breaks a guy's neck. But and, you know,

he went on to write some good, not so good comics.

I mean, he wrote the initial. Was it six issue

storyline of Superman Batman in the mid aughts

that you know became Superman public enemies

or Superman Batman public enemies with the Ed

McGinnis art and all that Jeff loaves got this

It's a hit and miss with on the quality of the

story, but he's got this inherent Silver ageness

in his stories that he writes like certainly

inherent here because you know, it's the silver

age of Marvel with the era that Spider -Man's

in and everything else he writes. I really, I'm

a huge fan of some of his work and other stuff.

I'm like, Oh God, lay off the cough medicine.

But no, I like it. Like here specifically, this

is like some of his best work. And I know there

are certain people out there like, you want to

cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war for whatever

reason, cause they just can't let it go. Yeah,

like no he wrote one bad thing so therefore everything

sucks, but no this is definitely some of his

best work Yeah, and I was I remember the other

day when I sat down to read this I was like okay.

It's titled spider -man blue, but is the entire

book gonna be in blue really come on now well

yeah, that was the best thing because well for

the first few pages of You know the first issue

and then the last few pages of the final issue

issue 6 it's done in this stark, you know kind

of blue black and some white just to Delineate,

you know the mood that it's on because it's we'll

get into in the story but I mean it's basically

over the course of the six issues of this series

spider -man is Kind of recording his thoughts

post the death of Gwen Stacy. You know, just

processing, you know, how he feels because over

the course of the story, you know, it's like

the that that initial attraction. And then, of

course, the. You know, Mary Jane Watson comes

on the scene with all the force of a semi truck.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but.

You know, it just kind of throws the old Parker

Luck running true to charm. Oh, we'll get to

the Parker luck a lot later in this episode of

the podcast. But yeah, it's basically, the overarching

theme is just Peter processing how they met and

how they kind of fell in love and there's this

constant distraction with this ginger known as

Mary Jane. But yeah, it goes on from there and

it's just this classic era Spidey tale, really.

and it gets into stuff of like how Peter and

Harry Osborn became roommates for the longest

time through college and you know what basically

generated Flash Thompson's decision to join the

army and you know it just goes on from there

and it's there's so many good moments in this

series yeah I this reminds me of Christopher

Daniel Barnes and all that voice cast in the

94 series as far as all the quips and everything

else that are in here Yeah I mean as far as faces

go green and lumpy wouldn't be my first choice.

Oh, yeah, just because I mean it's basically

the first issue opens like after you see Spider

-man swinging through the night and pulling basically

a Bruce Wayne on top of the Brooklyn Bridge like

you know cuz this is like year or so after Gwen

has died and it's like, you know, Bruce Wayne

leaving the roses in Crime Alley for his parents

and Spidey does the same and just that shot of

the rose getting blown off the top of the Brooklyn

Bridge by the wind, it kind of illustrates, like,

the shot is, you know, kind of the same shot

as Gwen falling and, you know, Spider -Man failing

to save the love of his life, but I absolutely

love Tim Sale's design work on the goblin with

the Spock ears on crack and eyes the size of

tear plates and Yeah, they're actually eyes his

face is actually painted green. There's no giant

friggin mask. Thank God. Yeah Over a human head

Yeah, and I mean this is a storyline like for

years like until like the early 70s, you know

with the duet The death of Gwen Stacy This was

the last time we saw the green goblin for years

in the comics Yeah for at least two or three

years where you know spider -man I'm gonna whoop

the goblin out of you and he pretty much does

because Place goes boom Norman can't remember

a thing Spidey tosses a man what I don't get

is like he tosses the masks sure And then he

basically strips Osborne, you know, down to his

civvies. And he just dumps him in the cop's arms

and swings off into the night and into the arms,

more or less, of Jolly Jonah. You know, back

in the day where this guy stretched a penny for

three miles. You know, and of course he goes

and he's... Peter barely gets a word in Edgewise

and he's going off and around, you kids today

in that rock and roll music, you got no sense

of, you know... Propriety and Peter's like yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Can I get paid? Yeah, and it's just

that time where again, this is classic Joe This

is my favorite version of Jonah where he's just

you know the blowhard He's much I liked him as

the mayor in superior, you know going at the

end of at the end of amazing and going into superior

I enjoy a much better at the bugle. Yeah, it's

I like yeah, I like it was a mirror. But yeah,

it's Jonah needs to be behind the desk Screaming

from across the office for Robbie or Parker.

Yeah, you know whether or not I mean I I love

for all four and when you say J Jonah Jameson

the first idea that or the first picture that

pops in mind is Jonah screaming at somebody with

a stogie firmly clenched in his teeth Old JK

Simmons. He really made that role. Oh come to

life That he is to Jonah what you know Conroy

is to Batman kind of yeah pretty much and it's

it's very rare like an animation or just anything

where you get an actor who's crosses you know

series or I guess you could say genres or modes

of film because I mean he went from the live

action he was doing the voice in all three of

the current Marvel cartoons through Agents of

Smash Avengers assemble an ultimate Spidey Yeah,

and it's just like you can't can see you can't

conceive of somebody else Doing Batman, you know,

it's always gonna be Kevin Conroy, although Bruce

Greenwood Very very close. I just can't think

of anybody else outside of JK who could do Spidey

I mean, we all love Ed Asner in the 90s series,

but yeah he was a little too even you know you

need somebody that can like sound like they're

about to lose their proverbial shite the way

jk has in her voice but yeah you know back to

the comics of this classic jona you know peter

goes to see norman in the hospital talk to harry

you know and this is only like two or three at

this point in the comics this is only two or

three years before You know, the infamous drug

or drug issue of Amazing Spider -Man, which they

did without the without the approval of the Comics

Code Authority, where, you know, the pressure

of being Norman Osborn's son and various other

factors in life where, you know, Harry becomes

an addict for the longest time in comics. And

just that that first image of Gwen Stacy checking

out Peter Parker, she's like, hey, Mm -hmm who

wouldn't turn into a puddle Peter who wouldn't?

Yeah I'm gonna say the only thing I have an issue

with with this entire story Peter on a motorcycle

Yeah, come on now. Well, that's how he got around

back. I know but just It seems more Blade or

Punisher style than Spider -Man. True. I just

love the fact that he goes to Big Al's motorcycle

shop. And Big Al looks like somewhere between

a member of the Sons of Anarchy and King Kong

Bundy. Yeah. But yeah, it's how he got around.

I think he even had a couple episodes of the

67. spider -man series we see Peter you know

bumming around on a moped or something like that

well I know currently in ultimate he has this

super cycle yeah at least it's not the spider

-mobile spider -man just constantly ripping off

Batman I see how it is Just yes, we need I'll

give you it's kind of cool to see a bike that

runs up a strand of web like that but the spider

mobile with its Car driving up the side of a

wall and then well, you know Batman is all well

and good that Batman ripped that off years later.

Yes Yeah So like you move on and Peter, you know,

he's got his bike and he goes to show off to

his friends and All of a sudden it's you know

Marlon Brando and the wild one where he picks

up you know Gwen Stacy and off they go and They

get to the Go back to Aunt May's you see in silhouette

Mary Jane Watson Because this is at a time where

you know Aunt May was still in that, oh, Peter,

you must eat your wheat cakes, and oh, you need

a woman in your life, and I'll hook you up with

my best friend's niece. Yeah, this is probably

classic Spidey Kong, but this to me is classic

94 series. It's the same type of Aunt May that

we've seen before in animation. A woman's probably

on, like, seven different kind of pills, and...

still, you know, the doddering old aunt, but

you know, she loves Peter and she just wants

him to be happy. So, you know, that classic show

when you get into book two, where I love the

beginning, where he is spider beds hanging. And

this is at a time where the cops weren't immediately

pulling their guns and trying to drill Spidey,

where he could hang upside down in front of a

newsstand reading a newspaper and getting into

a snarky conversation with the Guy with a vendor.

He's like and I love the comments you think for

all the news that I make for J Jonah bonehead

I'd get a free subscription And the guys like

yeah, yeah, whatever 25 cents. That's what I

love about New Yorkers you know if this guy if

he wasn't trying to get like the money off a

Spidey he'd be setting up a Live cam fee to sell

some make some money off a YouTube or something

There's always Doc Ock later. Yeah. And of course,

you've got to question anything you read in the

Daily Bugle. After all, according to them, I

am a menace. Yeah. And then we get the first

look of our big bad in the series, you know.

At least if you if you've been if you might have

picked this up, I don't know if you did. And

but if you haven't read this before now, folks.

And, but if you've read Spider -Man comics for

any length of time, you pretty much know who

this guy's gonna turn out to be. It's not that

hard to figure out. Yeah, no. If you know your

Spider -Man comics. Yep. So then we go to the

science lab. Of ESU. Where Flash is being a douche,

like always. Oh, it wouldn't be Flash Thompson

if he wasn't a douche. Eh, send him to war, have

him get injured, you know. Bonded with an alien

from outer space, yeah. Yeah. That old rigamarole.

Yeah. And so yeah, it's chemistry class, you

know, Peter and Gwen are having that innocent,

you know, back and forth that... Well, it just

wouldn't be a romance if you didn't have that

back and forth. And then we meet... One of the

creepiest spider -man villains in that his origin

is he's basically a stalker in Professor Warren

Who? Decided that he was so sad and lonely of

course he was in love with Gwen Stacy and when

she died he lost his mind decided no it was the

jackal that killed her and Went on to become

a giggling madman in a furry costume who likes

to clone people. Oh geez So basically, Professor

Warren, aka the Jackal, is entirely responsible

for the clone saga. Never mind Marvel editorial,

it was all this douche. But this is before he

lost his goddamn mind and he was just a college

biology professor. The like I can't get over

how up until flash joins the army how? Douchey

he is in this story yeah, I Mean like his douchebaggery

here is like a whole new level Really really

is yeah, I mean, but this is exactly how he was

at this time in the comics where It was like

that high school jock who just happens to be

going to the same college as the guy he picked

on and The the fact that he still picked on peter

parker after he got laid out back in high school

You know, it was literally the batman one punch

that he got from peter and he was still a dick

for like years after Yeah, but uh You know from

here, I think the only reason why at least specific

to this story that they've put Flash in college

with Peter, is because Spider -Man's cast of

characters has to follow him wherever he can.

You can't do something... Well, you can't nowaday...

He can't just constantly come up with a whole

new supporting cast, so... Yeah. Well, you can

nowadays if you put a villain in the body of

Peter Parker, but I mean, it's just one of those

things where, you know, back then... His the

characters that he was always around had to fall.

It's just like I mean Okay, granted flash is

no roadie, you know, you know, we're Roadie to

Iron Man, but Flash is one of those characters

that people always expect to see whether you

love him or hate him Yeah, at least in at least

one panel of thing. But yeah, he's um, he's an

ultra douche in this in this story And then we

get the Rhino, who wants Spider -Man. I gotta

admit, whatever reason, like County Lockup or

whatever, he's out on Riker's Island, you'd think

you'd have a slightly more sophisticated way

of controlling the gas flow to keep him knocked

out in this cell. And it's basically just like,

you know, on, off, on, off. Yeah. I've never...

don't know again me coming from only what only

seeing the rhino in the cartoons and stuff in

the video games the character like I have zero

interest in the character what's okay a rhino

he's he's basically a super giant non mutated

guy live you know that lives in a rhino suit

he's basically spider -man's Oversized steroided

up rocksteady is what he is. Well, yeah, I mean

initially it was like years later where they

wrote up how he was like X KGB and he was just

trying to survive being like the muscle for all

these criminal organizations and You know, it's

like you have you read the gauntlet storyline

from the modern. It's amazing No, not yet. Okay,

if when you get to that you'll just see like

You feel for him eventually but yeah at this

point in the time it's literally You know, he's

gonna steal gold bullion from armored cars to

make a gold statue of himself Like that was the

level of intelligence he had at this point Where

he's basically got this Kevlar Suit, you know

super cool. It's a little more complicated than

this, but he's basically got a suit made out

of Kevlar glued to his body Mm -hmm You know,

it's just literally spider -man just Punches

him until it gets through his dickhead and he

goes down Yeah, and then he I do like later when

Spidey gets a piece of other suit and he makes

a New webbing to hold the suit. I like the whole

conversation This is so funny. Yeah, they're

young man you're not going anywhere until this

is all cleaned up and then we're going to have

a talk about your allowance yeah and it's you

see the rhinos fighting through that and then

it just starts his suit just starts melting off

his body yep but again like you're saying your

favorite light i love the light i know it's not

quite cupcakes but didn't we talk about you watching

your weight yeah And then we get, you know, he

just, you know, boom, boom, boom, rhino drops.

We see the mysterious big bad in the background

and Peter just thinking himself more about more

about Gwen, you know, and how as strong as he

is that he can take out the rhino. He's has no

idea how to deal with this. And it goes into

where It turns out Aunt May is a clever little

minx because she basically sets it up that Peter

goes home and he gets all dressed up because

he's going out with friends and sets up Peter

so this is where he finally meets Mary Jane Watson

whereas for many issues before this in the run

of Spider -Man where he's constantly missing

Mary Jane. Yeah, you know when he opens the door

and you get the famous you hit face the tiger

you hit the jackpot and that full -on view of

Tim's sale date of Mary Jane. It's just like

damn Mm -hmm. This is a va va boom Yeah, which

was great and then we go into the third book

And you know they're hanging out and I think

it's the coffee bean because I was like the call

it the hangout where the gang would meet at this

age and the spider comics and well flash doing

what flash does striking out horribly yeah as

you see uh where you know mary janes just this

is a point in the comics that mary jane was portrayed

as being this flighty party girl you know always

smiling very just really kind of saucy and well

you see harry osborne's getting all twitter -pated

Yeah, this is before she turned to water. Oh

God Seriously, what were the writers on in 1994?

Okay, that is my on just to step away from this

but that is seriously my only complaint about

that series as far as story -wise goes They never

wrapped it up. They left it on a cliffhanger

Because at the end of the final episode Madam

Web's like we're going to find Mary Jane Watson

the real Mary Jane Watson, but you know, yeah

I'm Paulson is Morty Ventress pretty cool though.

Yeah Yeah, that's Rob Paulson the man can do

no wrong. That's right All right. So Yeah, I

know why I kept calling flash a huge douche.

It's this this scene here I don't get it. I don't

get it. I don't get get a clue flash He's like,

yeah Harry's like what's there to get Parker

knows her Yeah But I love the the epic bird and

flash is still too dumb to notice where Gwen's

like wake up what you don't know about Peter

Parker couldn't fill a thimble. I still don't

get it You know, everyone else is like, oh bird

and he's just like How does the nerd get the

girl like that's the old that's the all -consuming

thought going through flashes, you know barely

expanded consciousness at that point and we go

from there to Well, the lizard has risen again,

and this is just after Dr. Connors to help Peter,

you know come up with the anti rhino webbing

and spider -man even mentioned to duck the chemicals

in use here didn't they like trigger your transformation

into the lizard? And Connors was like, that couldn't

possibly happen twice. And so yeah, it's basically

Mary Jane tags along and rather skillfully distracts

the security guard slash cop that's like roped

off the building where it's time set. Was it

Grand Central? Yeah, and he's like hey Billy

Connors senior dad And I love like this is I

Don't recall this ever actually being the storyline

in the classic Spidey comics like in this goal

this Silver Age like this but it's it basically

becomes almost a sitcom like Plot where you know

miss Mrs. Connors and Billy have come up from

Florida to see you know Kurt And Spider -Man's

like, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, and he's got to

track down the lizard and cure him yet again.

And by the time they fix all that, you know,

literally, Martha and Billy are at the door,

and Spider -Man opens the door, and, hey guys,

how's it going? You know, or, hey, true believers,

as it's in the comics, and, you know, oh yeah,

Spider -Man was helping with the experiment,

and kind of got out of control, excused the mess,

and... You know If this is say the spider -man

was written created now and these stories were

happening now Spider -man is like, okay. Remember

to turn yourself into the authorities after this

doc. He's like, yep. Sure will Spidey Or something

like that because I mean, let's face it. He cured

You know the whole dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde again

with the lizard and then he just goes swinging

out the window and Yep, it's like yeah, you couldn't

possibly have a relapse a third time or a fourth

or fifth or eighth or 700 yeah He certainly wouldn't

go mad and eat his son at some point Which was

really sad into that particular storyline So

Peter does go back home and Harry Osborn sitting

on his porch. Yeah And this is, you know, where

I kind of forgot that they shared a rent -free

living space for a while in the comics. Basically,

Norman, who's, you know, copacetic at this point,

basically buys like a loft apartment and gives

it to Peter and Harry rent -free because they're

going to room together in college, apparently.

And then I love how they end the book where Peter's

just kind of, what? And then Aunt May is like,

Peter, dinner's getting cold, do you need a sweater?

You know, God bless you, Aunt May, don't ever

change. And then, you know, they go, forget what

happened, oh. Book four, Autumn in New York.

Yeah, it was just what they're trying to talk

about at this point, and it's, you know, Aunt

May, you know, Peter's moving out to go to college,

he's gonna live with Harry. Aunt may can't you

know isn't quite capable of living on her own

at this point like she's still really ill half

the time so very Mary Jane's aunt moved in and

You know, it's the Golden Girls, you know Brooklyn

style basically Thankfully and Anna in this is

not as obnoxious as she was in the cartoon series.

Yeah And then we go to back to prison which seems

to be a recurring thing here. And we see, you

know, Adrian Tombs, the vulture, is dying. And

there's this guy, Blacky, was it Gaxton, I think

was his name, who was the second vulture. And

he's, you know, the guy didn't even have half

the class that Adrian Tombs did, you know. And

it's just basically he poisons the vulture in

order to con the location of like a spare set

of wings out of him. And then he escapes to go

hunt for them, you know, in the dead of winter.

And just I'm sorry, just as far as supervillains

origins go, this is weak sauce. Yeah, it really,

really is. He's like, we look at me, I can fly.

You know, and then they go like Peter at this

point, he's trying to get back to the housewarming

party at the loft, but. Now he's got a Deal with

this so you know he goes on buying Mary Jane

and Gwen kind of have a little back and forth

where You don't know if there it's like it's

it's almost a catfight, but not quite Yeah, you

know because they're kind of but it's kind of

sort of marking their territory on Peter and

Flash is outside. He's like, no, this is where

he's kind of getting in this weird, you know,

he's still like a Spider -Man fanboy. So he's

staring outside hoping Spider -Man swing pass

and Harry is like, did you not see the two examples

of woman over there dancing? And Flash was like,

nope, gonna look out the window, look for a guy.

And it's like, oh, your priorities are all sorts

of confused Flash. Where's a closet when you

really need one? Stuff them in it. Yeah, or a

locker. Yeah. But yeah, so he gets into a fight

with, you know, Blackie Gaxton, and you get back

to the party and even flashes like, where the

hell's Parker? Yup. Well, I did like that. He's

like, you know what, this pro nerd probably fell

asleep in the library. Then Mary Jade and Gwen's.

I love how they dress down Flash and Gwen's like,

could it be that you're probably jealous of Parker?

Me? Jealous of the nerd? It's... Just everyone

just finally kind of comes down on Flash is like,

really? Like, Peter's an okay guy, why are you

being a dick? Yeah. And you get back to the fight

and... Spider -man basically gets knocked out

he wakes up the next day and he's missed the

party and you get that full -on shot of Well,

they used to make apartments like this mm -hmm

you know with the I Just can't get over the the

60s era design of this place Oh, in book five,

yeah. Yeah, just like where you get that full

-on shot and you see there's martini glass on

the coffee table, martini glass in an empty bottle

on the TV, requisite pool table. Yeah, but you

gotta think though, this is Norman Osborn's kid.

Yeah. The Osborns are used to doing, you know,

you know, hold your pinky up kind of rich people

type of stuff. But yeah, and it's just basically

This sets up with something became a running

trope in the comics how Peter would come home,

you know beat and Sometimes beat in and just

crashing in the bed and Harry's like, yeah We'll

talk when you wake up You know where Peter passes

out and he's just like nice apartment You know

falls right asleep and then you go back to where

Peter fell in the snow and slept through the

night. We got our big bads, you know, tracking

him. And at this point, Gaxton got away. So the

mystery man goes to the tombs in the hospital

and drops the bomb that, you know, blackie poisoned

him just to find the wings and uses a blow dart

to wake him up or make him better or something.

Yeah. We go back to the apartment and Peter is

basically fast fast asleep and Who chicken soup

on May is that you on May like there we have

MJ It's like if you mistook that for at May you

sir need help Yeah, well he in Peter's defense.

He did have his arm over his eyes so yeah But

when has any woman before now ever brought him

soup that wasn't his aunt? Yeah, that's true.

But yeah, you know, you get another nice design

of Mary Jane Watson. And then she's feeding him

and Peter's living the dream. I mean, he's in

bed. He's got a gorgeous redhead spoon feeding

him soup. In walks a gorgeous blonde. And then

they're both in, you know, sitting there talking

to him. And Peter, you see the dumb look he has

in his face. He's just like, uh, buh, guh. Yeah.

Like I said, maybe it was the fever and I was

hallucinating, but I think the two of you were,

well, let's just say this never happened when

I was Peter Parker, the bookworm. Yeah. I like

that. Then he sees, uh, you know, Blackie just

randomly fly by his window and he's like, uh.

I think I should be getting some, uh, rest. You

can go now." And they just have like that scene

where they're like, "'Screw you, dude." And he's

just like razz -a -frazz -a -frickin' vulture

gonna beat him. I love the Mutley reference.

Yeah. I love that. That's so awesome. So we go

back and you see flash is trying to hit on MJ

again You've got these like I swear this bottom

panel here I swear a flash and and and Harry

could be middle -year solid guards with the question

mark in the exclamation. Yeah It's just like

flat and I love that the quote the exclamation

mark is didn't at least what the hell and Harry's

like, I don't know Because the girls basically

storm out and you know, you see Randomly Peter's

he's about to go out and you know Well, he's

the first pardon the French but he's basically

gonna go out and choke a bitch yeah, and he randomly

starts thinking of Huck Finn and uncle Ben and

You know gonna do the right thing You know but

you know they get into it and it's basically

Blackie has robbed a bank and I love you know

comics because you don't see giant -ass dollar

signs on the side of these bags ever in real

life but you know but as if to tell us what could

possibly be in this bag could be a bowling ball

no pretty sure it's money but yeah so the vultures

get into it and Blackie drops the bag right in

front of flash And this chunk of like gargoyle

or something's about to, you know, cave his head

in and Spider -Man swings down and grabs him.

We get a reference to the cover of Amazing Fantasy

15. With the pose and all that being what it

was with Spider -Man carrying this thug. But

in this case, it's Flash Thompson. It drops him

and basically tells Flash to return the money

and... This starts flash thinking because you

know it's I love the Spiderman goes back to he

jumps on Adrian tombs vulture and Run causes

him to fly right into black see blackie, and

he's just yelling rubbing speed Because he puts

them both through like this billboard and that

gentleman's how you killed two birds with one

stone drum roll please but yeah so you know flash

has returned the money peter goes back to the

apartment he's like uh hey kids what's going

on and in like the 20 minutes or whatever since

that happened flash has gone and signed up for

the army which is like a hugely hugely mature

sort of decision i guess because considering

flash is hugely immature most of his life but

for the few times that he's run into his hero

spider -man he's like basically he's like yeah

I haven't done anything with my life and you

know if I should follow spider -man's example

so yeah he walked into a recruiting office and

joined the war effort in the knob at this point

in the time Of course later on they change it

to flash join the army and engage was part of

this conflict in Southeast Asia Yeah, because

once we move beyond and then we got the big bad

outside, you know sniffing on a piece of Spider

-man's costume and seriously if you don't know

who this is at this point folks You need to stop

reading comics Yeah, I'm just saying They they've

telegraphed who the villain is Why? Well, at

least it isn't the guy with the giant fucking

fishbowl on his head. Oh, we'll have a discussion

about my favorite Spider -Man villain off -air,

Mike. Worst Spider -Man villain ever. I wouldn't

be saying that if they made a fourth movie and

Bruce Campbell was Mysterio, my friend. Because

that was totally what was gonna happen. Wow.

So... Anyway... Going back to Peter walking down

the stairs here for a second. What's all the

hubbub, bub? Yeah. Do not steal Wolverine's lines,

dude. Don't do that. That's how kids talk back

in the day with their cool slang and what's up

daddy -o and 23 skidoo. I love when we open the

book six here and I love the this was like the

original classic design of the scorpion with

just like the kind of reverse domino mask thing

going on where his face is covered and It's the

same design they use for the scorpion in the

67 animated series where you know, he's looks

like he's Scowling all the freaking time and

then he drinks the juice that turns him into

a giant. He's just like You know I just love

this design of the scorpion is what I'm saying

and the villain who Should we just go ahead and

so now we'll wait for the reveal, but I love

the the big bad here in shadows He goes over

he's like the scorpion the octopus the rhino

the lizard the vulture and even years on from

now you look like at least a third of spider

-man's rogues galleries are animal based villains

Yep. And now the hunt begins. It's Craven, ladies

and gentlemen. Really? I don't see a... Oh, yeah,

it's Craven. Like I said, if you couldn't figure

that out by now... I should have figured it out

the first time I saw it when I saw the fur fucking

coat. Well, yeah, granted that was just a fur

trench coat, but yeah, it's Craven. It's, you

know, Alexi Cravenov, dark comrade. Yeah, eventually

I will be half man half lion because that's how

they do things in New York But yeah, so you see

it's Valentine's Day and Peter and Harry are

getting dolled up to go out and It's party time

ladies and gentlemen, I Love this is like, you

know a couple of months later because you know

flash shows up and he's talking to like Robbie

Robertson's kid who's become part of the cast

at this point. Peter is just basically like going

to answer the door and everyone just piles their

coats in his arms and then he goes to dump them

in the bedroom is standard party protocol and

Harry's gotten a call his dad might be coming

by the party which there you know it's half a

50 -50 chance that it'll be a major downer but

who knows. Are you just gonna ignore the vocal

effect that they used on that other page? The

fact that MJ swacked him. Swack? Swack. Sealed

with a kiss. Yeah. Now I caught that. Yeah. That's

just... I just love the look in Peter's eye there.

He's just like, I'm dating Gwen. I'm dating Gwen.

I'm dating Gwen. blonde blonde blonde blonde

ginger ginger you know but yeah so everyone's

partying you know it's basically a goodbye party

for flash because you know he's shipping off

to the war and Spidey sense and I love I don't

remember Craven like Craven leaps through the

window he shouting in their dead he hunts the

lion Okay, I love I love Peter's narration Craven

the hunter Question mark exclamation point. Yeah,

I just don't remember just look at this image

of Craven I don't remember him ever having big

hoop earrings. I Don't even like the design on

him. Well, he's always kind of had that hue the

the huge kind of mutton chop handlebar mustache

thing like Yeah, but he's never had leopard pants

at least out of the one stuff that I've seen

No, that's that's that's like OG original Craven.

Yeah, that's I don't like OG Craven. Yeah, I

Still is like flash tries to put him in a headlock

and he's just like, you know gut punch And he

just looked I love the the sinister look sale

looks in his eye where he sees hair He goes you

and Harry's like me before he grabs Harry and

you know ducks out the window again and You know

Peter's just I Love this Gwen call 9 -1 -1. Wait,

where are you going? Camera bugle photos spider

-man. Bye. Bye I wish I could ask you now did

either of you ever bite my pathetic attempts

excuses. Yeah Which I mean for years that was

the thing and you just You knew, having read

the comics, that Peter was very, very intelligent.

But I loved it, like, in Dan Slott's run, you

know, post -brand new day where Peter got fired

or he got blacklisted as being a photographer.

And he didn't have to make that excuse that I

got to go make rent this month. Bye. You know,

with the whole thing. So, yeah. And this goes

into, I forget, I think it's like Spider -Man

57 or something, that era, where Osborn has been

hired by Parties Unknown to take care of Spider

-Man. Or I say Kraven's been hired by Parties

Unknown, sorry. Well, it was Green Goblin, because

Spidey said the Goblin's dead. Yeah. But, you

know, I like in the fight here, you know, Craven

is, you know, just whooping Spidey. And then

I don't know if that's supposed to be a garbage

can or a flower pot or something, but Harry's

just like jerk bonk. And then Craven, that was

a very foolish thing to do. It's just like, oh

snap. Yeah. But yeah, this was around the era

where Norman doesn't know he's the Green Goblin,

but they start slipping back. I love the fact

that a lot of great comic book villains, specifically

in Spider -Man, are like the literal reincarnations

of Jekyll and Hyde. How at this point, Norman,

you know, he's sweating all the time and he's

like, oh, it's just a headache. And he'll have

like blackout periods where, you know, the Goblin

takes over and he goes out and causes mischief

and whatnot. And we go back to the party where,

you know, Gwen kind of gives Peter a dressing

down where she worries about him because he's

basically acting like, you know, a fireman or

you're running into a burning building and all

that and, you know, it ends with, will you be

my Valentine? And well, finally the nerd gets

the girl. I mean, I'm sure it's happened before

now, but it's nice to see that, you know, So

yeah, it's nice to see the parker luck doesn't

always run true to form No, that only happens

in the next book. We'll talk about so good. But

yeah, so we snap back to It's at me's house Peters

up in the attic and this is basically post Gwen's

funeral Where he's just getting his thought he's

getting his thoughts out of the system and he's

kind of apologizing Actually, no, I'm sorry.

This is not their funeral. This is like you this

is after he's been married to MJ Yeah, because

he makes is like the water later become my wife

and all that and yeah It's just you know, say

hello to Gwen for me and It's just finally up

until now it's that you don't get why it's blue

and it's just Peter remembering, you know the

good times and all that right and he says like

Because it's around this time of year where you

know, it's around the time that Gwen died and

he's like I feel blue and you finally just clicks

you know as to why they named it blue like this

and You know, it's I love that last line and

for and I longed for a time when a girl I knew

with an incredible smile and so much good in

her Heart made me think life can be great, you

know and seeing I was like That's good. And you

know what say what you will about Jeff Loeb's

writing that was gold Yeah, this whole story

was really really excellent writing. I will say

that in the trade it has The alternate covers.

Oh, yeah What I assume are alternates book five

is my favorite The one with Gwen and MJ and Spidey

swinging between the two of them Yeah, he's like

swinging away. He's like mind on the crime mind

on the crime mind on the crime Yeah, although

I think my favorite for the alternate covers

was probably book of three Hmm especially or

so get it's just like that Naked silhouette back

shot of Mary Jane. He's swinging away. He's like

I'm dating a blonde. I'm dating a blonde Well,

overall I really loved the story. I thought that

was great there. I don't really particularly

like Craven's design in the story. Yeah. And

it should have taken me a lot longer than realizing

who that was. Like I should have figured it out

the first time when I was reading it. I still

didn't figure it out until it happened. Yeah.

But yeah, no, I mean, if you give this a rating,

this is a straight up five. Oh, yeah, you can't

convince me it's anything less. I could see a

four and a half Yeah based on sales are like

I like sales art, but it's the I just don't like

the craven design that's the only thing i don't

like about it that you know at least and if that's

just one nitpick and i was going to take a point

of a half a point off of it uh four and a half

out of five is still almost perfect yeah i mean

so i i've always kind of loved like the early

spidey villains like this like the classic rogues

gallery like craven and all that at least it's

not the grim hunter in the 90s where you know

what his oldest of his two sons becomes like

a techno like they give him this armored costume

you know with a molded steel lion head on his

like left pectoral and you know it's the 90s

we need to make it extreme yeah no no you don't

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and there's a time difference between the events

of Spider -Man Blue and obviously the events

that are in the Return of the Black Cat trade.

How much time has passed, JT? Well, it's not

so much a time difference, it's just kind of

a point of order in terms of storytelling. And

just to rewind the clock back a bit, we gotta

go back to the Marvel Civil War. where Iron Man

goes, Spidey, you're my boy, you gotta be like

the face of the pro -registration. So Spider

-Man unmasks on national TV and the Kingpin immediately

hires an assassin to take out Mary Jane to basically,

you know, futz with Spidey. The assassin ends

up hitting Aunt May and she lies dying in the

hospital for like months on end in the comics.

So Mephisto, you know, the devil of Marvel comes

to him and says, uh... I'll fix it so she lives

but I'm gonna take your marriage or well the

happiness that Mary Jane and Peter have with

their marriage and the only reason I can think

the devil would take his time to make this offer

to Spider -Man that he's working for Dan DiDio

and Joe Cassata who both gone on record as saying

heroes don't need to have significant others

because then they don't have anything to overcome

or some BS like that just because they're sad

and lonely individuals I'm sure they're both

married that's just the most dickish reason i

can think of that they would come up with that

yes anyway spider -man makes the deal with the

devil and right before the effect happens mary

jane makes a little side deal and basically what

this does is dan slott came on and uh he he's

basically became like the godfather like the

editorial kind of became the jeff johns of the

spider -man comics and they did kind of a quasi

DC reboot where Mary Jane and Peter never got

married they just lived together for years and

eventually they broke up and then when the story

starts over Peter's moved back in with Aunt May

he's trying to find his own place he can't make

rent they kind of go back to this classic the

classic tropes of Spider -Man's life like that

so at this point he's gone from working for Jonah

the bugle, which is sold out from under him when

Jonah has a heart attack. His wife is like, screw

this noise. You don't need this stress. And for

years, people have said the Daily Bugle was a

tablet. No, it becomes a true tablet under the

new owner, Dexter Bennett. And at this point,

Peter Parker, he was a paparazzi for Bennett

for a while, and then he quit. like everybody

walked out of the bugle except for Betty Brandt

because she needed the money and Peter joined

and Jonah then as we all know went on to become

mayor of NYC and Peter gets a job as a staff

photographer for the mayor's office and At this

point, you know, he's had He was rooming with

a cop Vince Gonzalez and then Vince goes to jail

for taking part in a job to frame up Spidey and

his sister moves in. And when we start the black

cat thing, the chameleon had pretended to be

Peter Parker for a few days and slept with his

roommate. And then Peter went, uh, that wasn't

me. Yeah. And she becomes like this Herod in

like this harpy where, you know, where's the

rent? And basically, because Peter left a few

things in the common area, she starts putting

all of his shit down the garbage disposal, and

you know, the true, like, the Parker Luck running

true to form. Yes. Before we get too far into

this - But that's basically where, at this point,

Peter is just like, oh jeez. Yeah. That cover

is simply amazing. Yes. One of the best covers

I have ever seen in comics. Yeah, well, it's

done by J Scott Campbell who did comics like

Danger Girl and Yeah, that's you can get that

as a poster. I'm pretty sure oh, yeah, you go

to the Marvel website and we have like the cover

is great as you get in the inside this this is

probably one of my favorite like Update things

that Marvel did where it's basically Peter's

journal sort of thing. Yeah And it's you see

in the background. It's like this is like post

aunt may marrying Jonah's dad and At this point

the career like Craven's wife and daughter like

setting up this They're setting up this huge

plan to take down spider -man And like I said,

this is after the chameleon had impersonated

Peter and slept with Michelle Peter's roommate

and then Peter's like it's not you. It's me and

Yeah, it's just as you get in the story like

they're they they've kidnapped Madame Webb and

they're you know force -feeding her opiates so

she can like divine the future and tell them

what they need to know in order to set things

up and Yeah, it's just yeah Peter you know Michelle's

pissed at him for telling Peter telling her that

look it's not gonna work blah blah blah and then

Nora Works in who's like as we talked about in

the superior spider -man was this reporter? Who's

like got more brass than Lois Lane some days?

No, I love Nora in this oh, no, it's it's great

that Peter You know Peter Superman has this Lois

Lane in his life. It's just it works For the

thing, but it sets up like this sitcom trail

cuz now you got Michelle you got Nora in walks

Mary Jane and In the span of five seconds, they

all get pissed at Peter and storm out, except,

you know, Michelle goes into her room, Mary Jane

storms out the front door, and Nora goes into

Peter's bedroom, and then all of Peter's stuff

in the sink catches on fire, and Peter's just

like, oy vey. Yeah, right. This is... You know,

but he goes up, and he's got this guy, he's swinging

through the air, you know... Moaning and complain

into this guy. The guy is just like I peed myself

and that's what you get for being a mugger. Mr.

Dampy pants Yeah, Peter is not in a great mood

to deal with this mugger Yeah, but it's just

I love what happens like he swings up on a gargoyle

Which hey could have been the gargoyle Bruce

for all we know You caught that one did you Oh,

yeah. Okay. So yeah, and he's swinging and then

the gargoyle breaks and then both of his web

shooters, you know, break, which is putting it

kindly. And they fall into like this rooftop

pool in this penthouse. And I like where Peter's

Peter's like, Really, God? Really? When does

it end? And sexy. Yep. the entrance i still like

that he's like i take it the old bad luck powers

are back well for more i'm sitting there the

hilarity ensues powers but yeah they're back

and so am i and it's just like i love mike mccone's

art man like it's just i wouldn't say there's

a softness but there's a smoothness to it you

know and well you look at the black cat yeah

yeah It's I still like Spidey's thing. It's like

well, that's a truckload of awesome. Thanks for

the heads up Do you do I send the bill to you

or do you want to just make a check out to my

chiropractor? Yeah, and that's one of the best

things about this era this brand new day era

spider -man and onwards is Well up until Otto

takes over That the quips Are so good. Yeah You

know, I want an animated movie of this story

right now with Christopher Daniel Barnes and

Jennifer Hale is Peter and Felicia, you know

as much as I like Jennifer Hale's voice. I like

Trisha Helfer on spectacular. Oh Just a classic

You need 94 voice actors Well, maybe you do Mike.

Yeah, I Still like that Well, as the story goes

on, like, they start kind of catching up and

everything. And he's like, how'd that work out?

Or Black Cat is like, well, you know, it's kind

of come and gone since you dumped me. And Spider's

like, I didn't dump you stupid web fluid on chair.

Yeah. But I love the line. It's like, OK, but

you're not bitter that he backpedals into the

pool again. And Cat's like, why be bitter when

I can be me? Yeah, but that smile on her face

is like oh you minks, you know So apparently

she has a job to do yeah, great breaking into

this place which oddly enough is Dexter Bennett

owner of the DB as it was called at this point

in the comics Not the bugle the DB because branding

people Yeah, the DB Nation. I caught that and

I'm like, oh, burn. But yeah, so you got them

dancing through a laser net and go into their

requisite wall safe and they find a man dead

inside with guts made out of concrete. Yeah.

I like Spidey. He goes to look at him and he's

like, oh, dang, I just broke that guy's spleen.

Ew. Ew. Yeah. And breaking that off all of a

sudden they're like little like ball bearing

shootout from the guy and then they hit the wall

and they turn into like metal spikes and it's

Diablo folks who for those who don't know is

a classic fantastic four villain. He's basically

an alchemist from like 500 years ago who can

anything science can do I can undo and then make

better. Yep of or as Spidey calls him dr. Kevorkian's

evil Spanish cousin Yeah, oh Man I Saw I love

cats burn. He's like it's Diablo you did it I

meant any clue what he's doing here if you weren't

so good in the sack you'd be completely useless

this but he's like I'm good in the sack I Love

like the like the back -and -forth these two

have like the play between you know felicia and

peter is so good so great and then you kind of

forgotten all this thing that uh mr dampy pants

was still outside in the pool i know i know it's

so awesome yeah and it's yeah basically diablo's

set off this bomb because he's looking for something

in the apartment and uh you know so basically

him and cat split up And Peter goes after after

webbing down Dampy pants and he catches up with

her and they just happen to be across on a roof

across from a TV station And they're like, oh,

I wish I could quit you Yeah, exactly and then

they make out on the big screen in Times Square

and Mary Jane's gone free and she's like what

the Yeah, she's just like oh you ass Look on

her face and as you know, let's face it kid.

This issue is nothing but gold It is yeah. I

mean, it's it's so great But as much as Mike

like the first cover folks Well, here's the thing

with this one is They break into a hotel room

really Well, you're not gonna talk about the

cover Mike oh Yeah, yeah, like let's face it

if you if you like the first cover on 606 607

it's like Oh dear god my brain is quit working

See I think the problem is in the trade that

I have Are you gonna go to the back to look at

the covers? I don't even think that there's Because

like from the kiss oh See yeah, the covers eat

the cover must be missing because the kiss happens

And then I when I read this before we recorded

I must have completely missed the to be continued

because the next page is them in bed There is

no cover So again, I got this from the free public

library, so it could, you know, eventually, you

know, that could be the the problem there. Give

me a second. I got I think I can help you out

with that. And let's try this. So the cover to

607, folks, is basically Black Cat wearing your

mask, Spider -Man shirt rolling around in a bunch

of diamonds and jewelry. Oh my god. And looking

fine. Yeah, there's not enough leather. It looks

fine, it really does, but there's... That's the

whole point of liking black hat. It's a skin

-tight black leather suit. I didn't know you

were a furry fetishist, Mike. No No, I'm just

fucking but yeah, so yeah that like Mike says

they break into a hotel and Well, they do what

consenting adults do in a hotel room Yeah And

it's just Peters the own narration is like just

Him trying to deal with you know, who Felicia

is and all that and then he wakes up the next

day Basically for completely like black cat took

off in the middle of the night as she is want

to do and This newlywed couple comes through

the door and he's like, oh my god. I'm sorry.

Please don't look, you know, you look like a

lovely couple moment I'm out and then I love

the thing is like and with that graceful exit

I left my half clad butt off for the next 25

blocks before I realized I just woke up from

the best night's sleep I've had in months without

an ounce of guilt You know And then, you know,

he goes back home and makes mention of him smiling

like that, pisses off his roommate even more.

And then he goes into the DB offices where he,

instead of webbing up Dexter Bennett, he webs

up his monkey boys. Yeah. And Bennett drops the

knowledge the guy that was dead in his safe is

this like ex -partner of his from business deals

years ago. And Spider -Man looks, uh, what the

hell is that in the cover? He and Dexter. Hey,

don't blame me. It's on the web You know a real

swinger And then you know they go so he goes

to track down You know black cat again in one

of these warehouses that Bennett mentions And

he's like, I know you're there a cat come out.

He's like, oh, I thought you spider sense only

went off when you're in danger He's like, yeah,

but I just accidentally scooshed a fistful of

rat poop the same moment my underwear ripped

I absolutely love the two of them in this. They're

so great. The dialogue, the back and forth, man,

it's so good. They basically start making out

up in the rafters, and then Peter's phone goes

off, or A -phone's going off, and I love cat's

lines. I hate fighting when I'm frisky. And they

go to the office below and Diablo has, I don't

know if he's frozen, turned people into glass

or he's just frozen them or something. But he's

making off with, so he's looking, digging through

some files and, you know, Spider -Man out of

nowhere through the window tackling him and they

basically get into his hero on villain on Cat

themed cat burglar fight. Yeah, I Do have to

say something about the whole break It's not

just Batman and Robin. I guess every superhero

likes picking glass out of their shorts pretty

much It's like so just this fight I love When

Spider -Man fights villains that he he's maybe

fought once before Or knows in passing because

he has no idea how to deal with the Diablo a

little bit in the course of this fight In addition

to black cats powers kind of fussing with his

gear So Peter what is the deal with like? No

again As someone who hasn't read a lot of the

past Spidey stuff and has only known her through

animation, what is the deal? Is it just a play

on the whole Black Cat Halloween thing? No, she

originally, I believe it was Kingpin, had a hand

in funding the experiment they gave. She basically

has like this probability altering power where

it's like Domino and X -Men. Whereas Domino just

has, or Longshot, they have these luck powers

where stuff just... falls, the dominoes fall

their way. Black Cat's power basically causes

everyone else's shit to go haywire. Like it's

literally a Black Cat power where, you know,

Black Cat crosses your path and bad luck follows.

Well, her power just causes things to like break

down. at the worst possible... See, I kind of

prefer that she's just the super soldier. Yeah,

that was a cool origin, but like I said, I read

the comics way before I read or watched the cartoon,

but yeah, so basically her power is almost like

entropy, like it just causes shit to break down.

I mean, as evidenced by the fact that Spider

-Man put his hand in rat poop and his underwear

ripped, so... Yeah. But yes, so Diablo basically

causes the cement floor to melt and reform and

you know Spider -man breaks his feet out and

they go after Diablo and he throws these like

modules at them that Basically encases black

cat and spider -man in gold Yeah, where they're

basically they're not completely covered it's

like he If you look at the art, it's just kind

of like somebody threw molten gold on them and

it hardened instantly. So it's like patches are

exposed and, you know, Peter's like thinking

about, you know, gold and the universe is funny

sometimes. And now back to breathing, which isn't

exactly happening so good. And then there's like

Diablo trying to be like, you know, sinister

and suave. You know everything like that. He

makes mention of everything I make eventually

breaks down Sometimes faster than others and

this is all going towards later on in the story

but Piers basically screaming at black cat and

we use your powers damn it use your powers and

Basically, I don't know exactly what aqua reggae

is it's As Spider -Man says in the story, it's

a compound used to dissolve and refine gold,

which Diablo just happened to have in a capsule

on his belt. And it just happens to fall off

and break and freeze Spider -Man and the Black

Cat. Yep. I love at this point that they've given

Spider -Man some new tricks in the comics where

he's got like impact webbing and such like that.

He uses his webbing differently. I love he goes

like Black hat isn't breathing so he gives her

CPR and he's like that has to be the first time

I've ever been slipped the tongue during CPR

And she's like instinct you can still do the

chest compressions if you want It's like seriously

you're gonna go fight a super villain, okay,

I Just like I remember when this issue first

came out a couple years ago. I just threw up

my ads I was like fine. Clearly your priorities

are in a different place Peter but you know they

go to get Diablo and it's poof he literally slinks

out and we go from Mike McCown to uh didn't recognize

who the other artist is but they figure out that

uh one of the buildings that Dexter Bennett and

the concrete guts man made back in the day where

you use steel that Diablo made which means he

can drop like a pellet and cause like a building

just to collapse so they figure out what building

ends peter goes and like webs the hell out of

it to hold it together until they can get people

out of it and then there's jona as mayor i've

built a cornerstone of my platform keeping the

people of this city safe and then peter just

basically throws like a web ball at him to shut

him up Yeah, and then they figure out black cat

and Peter figure out that it wasn't just one

building There's like 40 buildings built with

this Diablo steel And it turns out to be a huge

multi -billion dollar insurance scam You know

which black cat and Peter spider -man have basically

screwed Diablo out of billions and billions of

dollars Yeah, Diablo should be stroking a shaved

cat at this point. Mr. Bigglesworth? And this

issue ends again with Anya Kravinoff who's cravings

like I think she's like 16 years old and just

the full -blown psychotic, but she comes into

Diablo's lair and You know, my mother would like

to talk to you, you know bump bump bump What

does your trade transition to after that? I've

got the single issues. Oh, you've got the singles.

Well, the trade transitions to Web of Spider

-Man number one. Okay, well, that... I didn't

dig that out, but Web of Spider -Man was... This

is like Web of Spider -Man volume two, mind you.

I'm just gonna look it up quick on the net here.

Web of Spider -Man... Cane of Echoes is what

it is. What's that? Cane of Echoes. Okay, I...

Huh Yeah, that's why I I'm just looking at quick

up on the comic line. Oh, I know This is one

of the reasons why I love the black cat story,

but then all of a sudden the trade goes to Web

of spider -man and I'm like, hey wait what? Because

the black cat story ends with next who is Ben

Reilly really? But yeah, it's just way too weird

for me. It's a bit of a disconnect, I guess,

in the story. You think? I mean, I'm all for

just skipping Web of Spider -Man, honestly. Yeah,

no, Web of Spider -Man is like at this point

that he came out with a couple of X'd and Spidey

titles, and Web of Spider -Man is basically telling

more Spider -Man stories that weren't necessarily

related to the ongoing plot of Amazing. Yeah,

so that it's basically just You know like episode

35 .5 sort of stories It takes place I wish they

wouldn't have done that I wish they would have

been smarter when they were doing the trade compilation

and put the thing at the back of the book Well,

it's probably or at least after issue 611. Yeah

So we get to 608 And the cover is basically ripping

Spidey's head apart. Yeah. The villain for this

story is this guy named Raptor. Who, as we get

into the story, the flashback to the five years

where Ben Reilly, who is the clone of Spider

-Man, by way of Professor Miles Warren, aka the

Jackal, And he basically left New York City for

five years, traveled around the country, you

know, just kind of living the, you know, Bill

Bixby, Bruce Banner sort of lifestyle. And he's

getting a job as a research assistant with this

professor or doctor writer. And then we go back

to the present where Spider -Man's fighting with

Screwball again, who I think is a criminally

underused like, C -list villain because she's

more of an annoyance than anything. It's not

like she's a real threat She so she's kind of

like oh What's her name? OXA former love No stunner

no stunner was an actual threat This is okay

screwball isn't screwball is basically She calls

herself. She's a she's a thief, but she calls

herself a performance artist and she's basically

like an internet villain where she's got you'll

see she's got like that purple dot in the middle

of her helmet's forehead there and she's basically

like a live streaming super villain like she's

like a super expert at like parkour and shit

and she like rips off places and just tries she

tries to generate internet hits and google revenues

and bullshit like that and so spider -man basically

catches her and she's like uh Well, you can catch

me or you can Grab all the bear bonds. I just

stole and With you know with great power comes

great responsibility and a lot of pains in my

web, but I hate my job some days. I really do

and And it's also kind of a commentary At this

point. So like like I said Peters at this point.

He's working as a photographer for the mayor's

office. He's also back to picking up freelancer

jobs through Frontline, which is the newspaper

that Ben Urich and another reporter, I can't

remember her name at the moment, started as basically

a two person online news site. And eventually

when the 90 % of the staff that walked out on

Dexter Bennett, they basically walked up to the

front door and Robbie Robertson is like, yo,

we gonna do this? Yeah, so so they they Expanded

the scope of frontline and Ben Urich's there

and Ben Urich is now, you know, J Jonah Jameson

basically and He's like sorry Peter by the time

you got here with these it's already online It's

just kind of a commentary on how print newspapers

are kind of slowly dying. Yeah, and then Dr.

Ryder shows up And he had shown up previously

in Amazing like amazing spider -man annual 36

which had come out for this where Peter had gone

to Boston and He kind of forgot that There's

like the Parker side of the family is all we've

ever really known Yeah, uncle Ben Parker, but

there was May Riley So he mits like all these

all this family on Aunt May's side of the family

you know some of the dialogue in that annual

when he meets his cousins is like oh he's gorgeous

like just it's like what if you know Seth MacFarlane

was voicing Peter Parker's family basically god

no well from ted but so yeah still writer as

you find out what happened well you find out

in these next couple of issues what happened

to writer why he has superpowers but basically

he's like this guy like he he's super strong

super fast kind of psychotic and he tends to

grow like giant his lower jaw expands he grows

like giant fangs and kind of hulks out in a weird

way he thinks Peter is Ben Reilly due to the

fact that while they look exactly alike He basically

cause causes a lot of shit and he leaves like

this newspaper with a sketch of Peter and You

know as if this is like from years ago in Portland

where this happened You know peds Ben Reilly

was a suspect in the fire that killed writers

family mm -hmm and I don't know. Do you want

to just skip over the writer stuff or just go

with the main story here? Because it's kind of

difficult with a story like this where you pulp

fiction it, you know going back and forth Yeah,

well, okay. So to sum it up the writer stories

basically, you know the years ago when Ben Reilly

was in Portland he you know grew close to professor

writer working for him and he's like basically

working on the theory that dinosaurs evolved

out of existence and where you know science says

they evolved into birds, riders going to the

theory, well maybe they evolved into humans.

So he's trying to prove his theory and he ends

up experimenting on himself, making him like

a man, kind of half man, half dinosaur almost,

although not to the point that Stegron the dinosaur

man or anything like that, who literally turned

into a bipedal stegosaurus. But the experiment

causes writer to go, you know, nutsy cuckoo,

which tends to happen when you experiment on

yourself in comics Yes, and he causes a fire

which takes the lives of his wife and daughter

or wife and kids I should say and you know afterwards

blamed it on Ben Reilly who ran for the hills

afterwards because Well, he doesn't need this

shit Yeah, and then he comes searching years

later. He comes searching for revenge But you

know as we move forward spider -man's going he's

trying to track down He's trying to track down

rider and he runs headlong Into his evil clone

Kane. Yes. There's another clone folks Who is

there are many clones? Okay, there's so many

clones Send in the clones But yeah Kane is a

half failed clone where he suffers what's Basically

a clone disease called degeneration where his

body is just constantly breaking down, but not

quite So he's in constant pain and he has this

Because his DNA is corrupted his ability to walk

on walls the way spider -man does he can also

like He's got like this molecular acid burn thing

that he lays hands on you and he can burn you

Like and leave it leaves like this fugly Like

mark of Kane's scar type of scar all over your

body. It just looks like a giant massive veins

or something like that and while spider -man

is getting choked out by Kane Rider has gone

to his apartment in his Well, they set it up

in this great kind of sinister cliffhanger where

he schmoozes his way into his apartment past

Michelle and one of the last issues you see of

him is He's starting to kind of Raptor out because

he's growing his fangs and his face is getting

all dinosaur -y and That's where the issue ends

Yeah But yeah, it's it's I would say he's an

unforgettable villain like I like the idea of

Raptor Just in the fact that you see this another

chapter of Ben Reilly's life of you know, what

was it like for him? because he basically self

-exiled himself from NYC for all these years,

you know, and there's like a long time where

he's on the run and he was just working as like

a dishwasher or he gets involved with this one

chick at one point and ends up tries living a

good life in Seattle and then everything goes

to crap so he runs away again. If you thought

Peter had bad luck, Ben Riley's luck just just

sucked. For for all like he'd meet people and

they would die basically Yeah, I'm gonna say

right now unless um Unless cat shows up and some

of these other issues that we're gonna be covering

later here in the trade I would have preferred

just to cover those first couple issues cuz like

that was the whole point of me even seeking this

out was that this was supposed to be her thing

and She's only in that first story and the rest

of its Ben Reilly Well, until I go back and actually

read the origin of Ben Reilly, I don't give a

crap about Ben Reilly. Well, I could sum them

up very quickly if you'd like the next two issues.

So in the next couple of issues, we see, you

know, writers experiment self. It's going out

of control. His family dies. And if you come

back to the present, Peter and Cain more or less

team up to take care of Raptor and it turns out

Raptor and Kane are actually working together

to get to Peter who at one point Raptor is kidnapped

or he's taken hostage Harry Osborn and Peter's

three female cousins who are all living together

in Aunt May's house in Queens and then Screwball

shows up who Spider -Man set up to his like she's

called him out and Spider -Man say hey show up

here will fight and you can have your millions

of internet views and it's basically all a distraction.

So Peter can get loose and take care of the villains.

And then, well, he beats Raptor. Kane, Raptor,

and Screwball get away. Raptor and Kane meet

up again. And, well, we haven't seen Raptor since

because I'm pretty sure Kane, well, he chokes

a bitch to death. Yeah, he does. you know that's

basically and like i said in the fact that i

like raptor in the fact that it's like i said

it's a look back at a chapter in ben riley's

life but other than that it's he's not all that

a great super villain so like these three issues

are like i i'd give them overall and just three

all together i'd give them a three on the scale

Yeah, they're okay, but they're kind of forgettable

at the same time seeing again because I'm reading

this in the trade The other thing why I don't

like the trade overall Is how it's collected

that you have the black cat story? first and

then it skips to web of spider -man then it goes

back to the 600s and it's like oh my god, really

does this So Yeah, that's like I said off air,

folks, the cover is a lie. I mean, to call it

to return to the Black Cat and only have those

two issues and you have these other four. I mean,

the last issue, 6 -11, Joe Kelly, Joe Kelly at

this point was like the main writer on the Spider

-Man titles, but Dan Slott was kind of the angel

on his shoulder in the background. There's Eric

Canete does the art in the last issue, which

is basically a team up. with Spider -Man and

Deadpool. And we get Deadpool in the club schmoozing.

He's basically paid for these women to dress

up like various supervillains. And he gets a

job. And so it goes. And we go, we see, was it

Anja Kravinoff and her mother, I forget her mom's

first name. They're talking more about their

plans. The art is just, it's a pretty close relationship

you got with your mom there, kid. Yeah. And we

see that whole first page, it's just an example

of Parker Luck, where, I love the thing with

Michelle, blah, blah, blah, using my stuff, white

boy, blah, blah, blah, with a note that says,

toothpaste is for earners, because Peter's having

trouble paying his rent. Then he checks his email,

there's nothing, and... or not his email, he

goes to Frontline to check his camera. All his

photos were deleted and he goes and he's getting

bitched at by Jonah and then he gets a package

in the mail and he can't afford to pay the receipts.

It all ends up with, oh yeah, he gets splashed

by a cab and then this dad carrying bratty little

so -and -so on his shoulders. The kid dumps a

cola all over Peter. Just the look in his head

is just like, I hate my life. Yeah. And then

he fights Lady Stilt Man, which... Oh god, this

is so good. Because I like that. So before I

get on with the business of heroing, please say

it again, like you really mean it. And then Lady

Stilt Man, who's like the widow of the original

Stilt Man, who I believe was killed by Punisher.

it's like to hell with you insect this is the

dawn of a new age in crime so says lady stilt

man and peter's just like thank you i needed

that i can't even say it with a straight face

you know and uh basically he's mocking her the

whole time and she's wiping out in her legs and

all that and i love that he you see a certain

pair of red gloved hands pull a sewer or manhole

cover away from the manhole and then she's a

foot goes in she's like oh my god where's the

ground and then she just starts crying spider

-man that's okay let it out the first one hurts

the most you know especially when you're defeated

by your own legs and she's like it's not funny

and then uh thank god you aren't really stilt

man otherwise you'd be singing soprano know what

i mean Yeah, that was pretty funny and then you

know you who spider -man it's Deadpool you did

this uh -huh and it basically the rest of the

issue because Yeah, it's like we're so jazz sorry

folks. We were so jazzed to do the black cap

thing and Well, it's just a downer the rest of

it well the Deadpool Issue is actually really

good overall because it's Deadpool is on a job

We don't know exactly what it is, but spider

-man spends the rest of the issue basically Trying

to stop Deadpool from carrying it out and in

there we get interspersed with some shots of

Anya Kravinoff taking out Maddie Franklin who

was she's basically Jonah's like step niece or

grand niece daughter or something but she's another

spider woman of the several that are in the Marvel

universe and she's getting beat and it's literally

blink and you miss it yeah and by the end of

it we spider -man finally gets a hold of Deadpool

in this basketball court and they get into a

yo mama contest Where then they got some good

ones. It's like yo mama so stupid She tried to

get bailout money so she could afford to pay

attention. Ooh topical Your mother's so stupid.

She thinks Cheerios are donut seeds. Yeah some

old -school salmon And then they got this one's

yo mama so fat Hank Pym had to beat her up in

the back of a Quinjet Oh too soon, man too soon

Yeah, and then spider -man's like yo mama so

ugly she made this it pulls off Deadpool's mask

He's like foul foul and he like rips the t -shirt

off of this fat guy And he pulls out what he

claims to be What he claims to have is yo mom

again a burn so bad That he says he busted out

in the fourth grade reduced the gym teacher a

marine into a quivering mass of jelly She he

never taught again the second time he brought

it out a girl's pancreas ruptured. She never

taught to be She never taught to begin with and

now she can't eat sugar You know, and it's basically

is like, okay bring it wait yo mama Beep -beep.

Oh and that's a wrap. Whoo. I can't believe I

almost hit you with my own mom again Spider -man's

like what huh? What do you mean jobs over? Aren't

you supposed to kill me? No, that was your assumption.

I never said maim kill or die He's like what

you were hired to annoy me for an hour well that

and get you away from Midtown and Then this one

one of the kids in the court is like you fool

a fool Are you you fool a poo you didn't have

no super bad mother joke? Deadpool's like I bet

you don't believe in Santa or the blackhead fairy

either kid. Come here And so he gives the yo

mama Gettin to this kid who immediately starts

bawling like Bambi's mother is dead level of

tears and Deadpool's don't worry that'll stop

in a few days I only got halfway through it but

you remember this day and you go make something

something of yourself kid and Deadpool basically

says uh no I was just paid to keep you out of

the way because there's somebody uh he It basically,

as Deadpool would say, I'm just a prawn in an

anti -spidey jambalaya that's simmering to perfection.

Which basically means, as we see by the end of

it, Deadpool was hired by Miss Kravinov to distract

Spidey while she takes, or she sets up events

that'll go into the next major Spider -Man storyline,

The Gauntlet. Yeah, she's pretty much everywhere

throughout this entire these all these issues,

but it's like well and it's been set up for a

while I mean the whole Reason or one of the main

reasons that Vince Gonzal is like Peter like

Michelle Peter's roommate is her brother One

of the main reasons he eventually broke got arrested

like he he was tired of Peter not paying rent

and then he finds out that Peter just goes and

you know he he finds a bunch of Peter's stuff

and Peter makes the lie that he stashes stuff

for Spider -Man and Vin then takes this stuff

away from Peter and gets caught up in some dirty

cops and they use this stuff to try and frame

Spidey and then by the end of it Vin basically

confesses and all these dirty cops are taken

down but he's also sent to jail you know for

his own part in it even though he didn't like

kill anybody or anything and yeah but you see

at the end of you see like Anya Corazon who was

uh the spider hero Arana but now she's spider

girl in the current marvel comics you see anti

-vetum Eddie Brock you see Maddie Franklin the

kind of the beginning of her and Anya Kravinoff

going at it and this is all leading into the

beginning of the gauntlet which is like this

epic storyline where all these classic spidey

villains are hired by Miss Craven to Help her

take out spider -man You know, but yeah, I mean

Okay, how would you risk rape? I'm guessing five

for the black cat issues, obviously Yes five

for the black cat issues for the rest of it I'd

give it a solid four for the Deadpool issue here.

But like I said aside from that look back at

Ben Reilly's, you know, a part of Ben Reilly's

life that we didn't know about before, which

handled differently. Might have wrapped or might

have made a more, uh, I would, I want to say

convincing villain, but, uh, if, if he had been

handled a little differently and he didn't have

like the giant jaw with all the teeth, you know,

it's a more, uh, If it wasn't Batman with gravel

in his throat, you know, it'd be better. Mr.

Bale, when did you get here? I'd say Raptor could

have potentially been a more, I wouldn't say

almost a sympathetic villain, just in, you know,

he was trying to prove a theory and it got away

from him and his family paid the price. You know,

it's almost a Mr. Freeze kind of origin in the

fact that, you know, he killed his family, but

he blames Spider -Man, so. Yeah. For the Black

Cat issues, I'd give it a five. For the rest

of it, I'd give it a two and a half. The Raptor

issues, I'd give, like I said, a three on the

whole. Like, it's okay, but it's mad. I'd give

it a solid four, four and a half for the Deadpool.

Like, the Ardent is kind of... Kind of quirky

in a way and it just kind of I think it kind

of works because it's Basically two of the most

motormouth characters in Marvel Comics Plus the

fact they got into a yo mama fight Yeah, and

I always love a good yo mama fight Yeah Well,

here's the thing folks I will Put the link to

our GCR Universal rating system in this post

as I will have done for Episode 61 and all this

and all that and everything else. Here's the

thing. The Black Cat stuff started out, it didn't

need, like, for me as a new reader, those issues

did not, like, reading in the trade, it was just,

okay, it started with Madame Webb. And see, that's

the other thing I don't like about the trade.

It starts with Madame Webb. We never see anything

else. Well, unless unless unless you tell me

unless maybe she continues on through the gauntlet,

because the whole point I thought was they were

there was something going on with her where people

were drugging her to show them what was going

on with Peter. Like someone was, you know, pulling

the ultimate big brother on him. And then we

go to Ben Reilly, then we go to this, then we

go to this, then we go to this. And I'm like,

oh, my God, what happened to the? One character

that I actually wanted to read in this trade.

Yeah. Because when I was looking at the trade

on the Comic Vine website here, like this is

like the return of the webcat. They use that

to sell the trade. I know. But this is like the

ongoing collection of like amazing Spider -Man

volume, whatever. Yeah. And unfortunately, like

I said, like Anya Kravinoff showed up like many

issues before. And it's been it was this really

slow burn build towards the gauntlet like where

she would show up in like a few panels and this

issue and the next issue and then her mother

showed up and Really if you didn't read the spider

-man comics leading up to these issues of amazing

Like you said you think it's something else entirely

But it's all building towards the gauntlet with

you know where they're basically kidnapping all

these spider people yeah so for me the black

cat issues gets a five which is perfect genius

in every sense of the word it succeeds in every

way to the highest extends imaginable and the

rest of it I'm sorry to say it's not even two

and a half it's gonna get a two I disliked it

two is the positives serve as a reminder to the

latent potential that was never fulfilled and

it goes on and says more and like I said it'll

you know put this link in the in the show notes

but the art i'd just i didn't like the art style

changes and like the writing style changes the

fact that cat doesn't even come back the fact

that now wasn't ask you earlier was this starts

with them doing something to madame web in the

gauntlet and past that they ever come back to

her is that just the ones not the gauntlet i

don't spoil it for you She's not that I'm going

to actually seek it out. But well the gauntlet

is basically Craven like miss Craven Had started

she's come up with like this weird Process like

Craven had like enhanced strength and speed and

agility and all that because you know he took

like these jungle jungle roots and he was like

some form of voodoo magic sort of stuff and Miss

Craven has come up with this process where she's

gonna sacrifice the life of a spider To bring

back the hunter and at one point in the story

like Anya basically straight -up prison shanks

Madame Webb and She's dying and she transfers

her power to Julia carpenter who was the original

or the second spider -woman the one with the

black and white costume in the 80s Mm -hmm that

she becomes the new Madame Webb where you know,

she can see the future and divine probabilities

and such and then So they you they kill Maddie

Franklin, she's used to resurrect I forget is

it Ali Asha like Craven's first son the Grim

Hunter who becomes like this man lion beast thing

and Then they by the end of it Madame Webb is

dead Craven is brought back because they sacrifice

Kane who basically once you cut the hair he looks

like Peter and you had Peter's mask on so they

sacrifice him and Craven comes back but it's

it was an imperfect sacrifice because it wasn't

the actual spider so now Craven can't die unless

Spider -Man Peter actually kills him by his own

hand Yeah Which is kind of a cool idea because

this is kind of one of the reasons here in Marvelous

March that I was asking people to recommend to

me one -shot stories Stuff that I can just read

You know a single story type and it'd be fine.

I wouldn't have to read everything else I wouldn't

have to read past something or whatever else

And this is why a majority of Marvelous March

stuff will either be origins or famous stories

that actually have a beginning, middle, and end

without having to read all this other stuff and

catch up. Sorry to cut you off, but it's like...

It's comics, man. It just pisses me off even

more than what the other company is doing now,

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-Man The Lie of the Black Cat. Oh, don't be bitter,

Mike. Anyway, yeah, no be bitter, please. I I

really want like we said when we talked about

the black cat issues We loved how they worked

together I would love to was there actual a black

cat series with him in it all the time Like was

there ever a series? There's been like a couple

of miniseries as I recall over the years, but

she's pretty much just been in Spidey like like

a supporting character in Spidey. I mean she

went from being like Originally she was just

Catwoman with bad luck powers and then she became

like Spider -Man's lover and then she tried she

straightened out for a while and she ran like

a detective agency and you know she would break

into places to find the straight poop on people

and you know but eventually they kind of brought

her with this whole brand new day they just brought

a lot of characters around back to the best version

of that character you know. So but yeah, she's

never carried her own series, but yeah So really

love spider -man blue all the way through. Yes

You know amazing story Just Showing you Peters

how he's dealing with the death of Gwen Simply

amazing absolutely loved it return of the black

cat love the black cat stuff the rest of the

stuff. I just I tuned it out, I read it, I understood

it, but like I said in the trade, right after

the Black Cat stories is Web of Spider -Man number

one. Now, to me, if you're gonna put a trade

together, and this is any comic book company,

if you're gonna say this collects issues 606

to 611, have those come in their sequential order

and then put... The web of Spider -Man number

one or insert name number one or number whatever

After it at the end of the book. Yeah, I mean

it's kind of like It's kind of like watching

Batman Beyond the call part two before you watch

part one you know I don't know, one of those

things just pisses me off. Alright, so coming

up next inside the Pullbags Marvelous March,

JT will be returning and we will be talking about

Iron Man, Armor Wars, and Extremis. Where can

the people get in contact with you online? You

can find me on the Twitter, at JT from Saskatoon.

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