Captain America’s Man Out of Time and Planet Hulk

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and welcome to The Pole Bag. This is episode

61. This is the beginning of Marvelous March

here inside The Pole Bag on 2014. This is the

first annual Marvelous March. Hopefully every

March we will have a Marvelous March because

everybody's been asking me for more Marvel coverage

and I'm just not reading the current stuff. If

anyone has any suggestions for me for trades,

I would love to get into the... the current storyline

for Iron Man or Wolverine and the X -Men or something

like that. But yeah, so we're here inside Marvelous

March, kicking it off. Episode 61 is Captain

America and Planet Hulk. I am, of course, your

host, TF2 and Mike, and joining me is comicker

Walt Dan. Hello. How's it going, man? Pretty

good, pretty good. All right, so how we're going

to start this off is how we each came into contact

or... found out about these characters. For me

with Cap, I knew of him. I knew what he stood

for. I knew he was kind of like the Marvel version

of Superman except he didn't fly and he didn't

shoot laser beams out of his eyes. But other

than that, you know, truth, justice, American

way, Cap is pretty much the same as Superman

when it comes to the whole stance on America.

Unlike Superman, Cap was a soldier, and he had

a 70 -year coma or whatever it was, you know,

several decade coma. I first saw him as a kid.

Maybe it would have to probably be... the spider

-man 94 cartoon uh when they revived him when

they brought him out of suspended animation yes

yeah to to lead the six forgotten warriors yes

i think it was it was their knockoff of the uh

secret war uh storyline yes It wasn't that bad.

No, I know like it's a bad thing. No knock -up

and as in like it's their inter maybe knock -offs

a bad word more so their Interpretation of that.

Yeah. Yeah. So what about you with cap? When

did you first come into contact with him? Geez

I think Captain America is one of those characters

that you kind of know about even if you're not

a comic book fan. He's just an infamous character

Just pop culture wise so much for you. I think

my first Huge introduction to him probably was

with the cartoons maybe spiderman or he did pop

up in an episode of x -men With uh wolverine

there was a story of wolverine back in world

war two fighting alongside captain america So

I do remember that I think I really got into

him depth like I kind of like you had just thought

he was just like your bland type of character

nothing really interesting about him, but that

changed for me when I got into ed broodbaker's

run on captain america and about Whenever that

started a four or five and I grew to gain a new

founders back for the character when I kind of

when he redefined him in a new way and deep in

the character and Showed he was a lot more flawed

than you know your typical boy scout type of

person yes, I will say that after the spider

-man cartoon I I don't think he's I know he's

been in other stuff recently But after that,

like in the 90s, I don't think there was another

cartoon. No, there was a really bad, like direct,

VHS movie that you should not watch, which, well,

maybe watch because it's so bad. Yeah, he is

a character that couldn't really get to work

for a long time. Which is so weird since Superman

has worked almost every time they've tried something

with him. And am I wrong in making that... alliteration

between the two characters because I mean I mean

if it's not If they're not similar, then I I

don't know I mean there's certain similarities

when you look at the fact that they started around

the same time I mean they both started as proper

not propaganda pieces, but very much, you know

fighting in World War two they Were two of the

biggest names of their perspective Companies

Marvel DC when they started out though. It wasn't

Marvel back then so I do think and like you said

there's a big They are like that iconic figure

that everyone follows because they are the leader

of their respective company So I do think there's

a legitimate comparison between those characters.

But yeah With me. Okay. So after that the next

time I ran into cap was was a comedy version

of him in the superhero squad show and i really

like that i thought that was great and then after

that of course i saw uh... johnny storm become

steve rogers uh... chris evans went from being

johnny storm of fabulous fantastic four movies

but she's fabulous is a strong word we're not

going down that rattle uh... you know so uh...

you know after that he became captain america

and i read Was so surprising to me about the

original to is it was 2009 wasn't was it 2011?

God when that movie come out? Geez it came that

was 2009 Avengers came out 2012 it came out the

year before the Avengers 2011 The funniest thing

when I saw those trailers it wasn't even about

it wasn't like Chris Evans, I almost said Johnny

Storm as Captain America, wow, that's so wrong.

Chris Evans as Captain America, sure, he's there

in the trailers, but really the sad thing is

what stuck out to me was friggin' Two -Face Tommy

Lee Jones in most of those trailers. But no,

the 2011 Captain America movie was awesome. Absolutely

loved it. I'm really looking forward to the sequel

coming up this year. And that's pretty much my

exposure to the character. I've never really

had any... I've never really had any nagging

feelings of, oh, hey, I need to go read this.

Now I will say, after reading... Wade's man out

of time that I'm interested to see what brew

breaker did with the character and we will be

covering brew breakers run at some point if Not

this year in the pull bag. Maybe next year. I

don't know yet. I'll have to Look at the schedule

finagle that around or whatever else but Yeah,

so that's kept up and Hulk everybody knows Hulk.

I mean, it's it's Lou Ferrigno for Christ's sake

Yeah, I honestly think that is my first memory

of seeing the Hulk is Is the Incredible Hulk

TV series? I never watched that as a kid. Honestly,

I don't know when I first heard of Hulk It could

have geez. I don't I don't really remember honestly

Trying to think he was kind of in simply he was

in the Iron Man cartoon and I know I think he

was briefly in spider -man I don't know but yeah,

I Missed the whole new free nothing that just

wasn't in my wheelhouse as a kid It should still

be on Netflix unless they lost the contract for

that show, too You know I'll see back then it

was like Incredible Hulk greatest American hero

You know Batman reruns of the 66 Batman. It was

all kinds of superhero TV shows on back then

And for me, it was really cool seeing this guy

transform into this monstrous thing. I don't

think he was in Spider -Man. I know he was in

Iron Man, and then he actually had his own series

in 96, which, regardless of what... Our other

co -host on the pullback says, JT from Saskatoon,

I'm sorry, the 1996 Hulk series is bad. I don't

remember much of it. I just remember it being

on UPN. And I remember, like, geez, I was not

a fan. I remember, just to be honest. The only

cool thing about it is, you ever see that movie

Short Time? I have not. Oh, crap. What's the

name of that guy? um how i forget the guy that

is in that voice is lead the leader it's matt

something i forget what his last name is i'll

have to look it up later for you but i was like

hey it's the guy from short time that is so cool

um but yeah after that hulk uh there were the

the two movies 2003's crouching tiger hidden

Hulk I Will forever call that movie that I'm

sorry that that's all Hulk did in that movie

was jump For like 500 feet at a time from cliff

to cliff and all as it reminded me of was since

Ang Lee directed the damn thing Was crouching

tiger hidden dragon and then jumping around all

the time long distances and then We had the Incredible

Hulk with Edward Norton. The best part for me

about that movie is Stan Lee's cameo. Oh, the

guy drinking, yeah. That was one of his best

cameos, yeah. And then, of course, for me, again,

the comedy aspect comes out in Superhero Squad

Show, and Hulk in that is just awesome. He really

is, because they play up the dumb angle. Because

I don't think he ever turned into Bruce Banner

in that show I know there was one at one point

he got a hold of the one of the infinity fractals

and He became the Grey Hulk But I don't think

he ever turned in a banner of course The Avengers

was I don't care where anybody says Mark Ruffalo

best Hulk for me anyway like Just the best Hulk

the best Bruce Banner Just carried the character

Yeah, he surprised me a great deal. I I think

i'm on my minority, but I do actually like the

2008 incredible hulk movie um I like what ewen

orton did to that and I liked how they kind of

meshed the comic book with the old series and

they made that character a lot more in depth

than The yang ling hulk did which was just kind

of boring and like you said not much happened

Yeah, the sad thing is i'll take um I'll take

Jennifer Connelly as Betty over Liv Tyler as

Betty any day, though. Yeah, I don't disagree

with you there. So that's our history with Cap

and Hulk. What we're going to do here inside

the pull bag is we're going to take a quick break.

We're going to come back. We're going to talk

about Captain America, man out of time. And then

after that, we'll take another break and come

back and talk about Planet Hulk, because every

monster needs his own planet. Hell, Unicron was

a monstrous planet. Oh wait, you don't like Transformers.

We'll be back after this. But the Dodgers have

three men on. Here's some beans right here in

Philadelphia last time. Wouldn't the youngster

like a hit here to return the favor? He leans

in. Here's a pitch. Good morning. Or should I

say afternoon? Where am I? You're in a recovery

room in New York City. Where am I really? I'm

afraid I don't understand. The game. It's from

May 1941. I know cuz I was there I'm gonna ask

you again. Where am I? Who are you? All agents

code 13 about that little show back there, but

we thought it best to break it to you slowly.

Break what? You've been asleep, Cap, for almost

70 years. You gonna be okay? Yeah. Yeah, I just...

I had a date. All right, we are back in Captain

America, Man Out of Time, written by Mark Wade.

I really like this story. I thought it was really,

really good. So, as I said, written by Mark Wade.

Pencils and breakdowns by... Hope that's George

Molina. I hope it's not Jorge or some weird spelling

Inks and finishes Carl Kessel with Scott Hanna

on issue 3 colorist is Frank the armata I believe

The cover art was done by Brian Hitch Paul Neary

and Paul mounts Coming from someone who has not

really read a lot of cap and has only seen him

in several media things. More specifically, the

current film series with Marvel Universe. I really

like the story. I thought it was great. It completely

puts a twist on what happens in the film. Yeah,

it's very much different than the movie, of course.

And kind of what it does, it fills in the holes

of, not holes per se, but it expands upon what

happens in like avengers number four the classic

avengers line when they find captain america

and It puts like yeah that 21st century spin

on it. So it's not as like simplistic as it was

back in the day But i'm glad you liked it. I

did too as well. I I do enjoy this story. I think

it's a great introduction to captain america

like people who say like Like how can I get into

that character? I usually point them to this

graphic novel because it doesn't require you

to have any back knowledge or anything like that

you kind of pick it up and For the most part,

I mean, there are certain tie -ins and things

you may not get completely if you're, you know,

a complete unaware of Marvel. But I think for

a Captain America story, it works really well.

Yeah. And, you know, usually with tie -ins and

stuff, they, one of the editors will have a note

somewhere. Like if somebody says something that

has like a little asterisk or something next

to it, they'll, they'll have a little note thing

at the bottom of the page saying C. this title

for this issue or whatever else but no um coming

off of watching the 2011 film and reading this

i mean it was it was just like wow and first

of all i wasn't even sure when you because i

think this was one of the ones you had suggested

to me when i first was coming up with the idea

for marvelous march uh like what what stories

what single because that's kind of the point

of marvelous march is i'm not looking to do long

runs I'm not looking to do stuff where I have

to read several different comic series I want

one -shot stories and that's what this is and

I was kind of I didn't know when it was published

at the time and I was like okay and and you'll

hear coming up inside the pullback from the other

episodes that I'm not too fond of The old styles

I like this style Yeah, I'm not I'm not like

I don't disagree with you it is it's hard to

Read some of that really old classic Comic books

the writings a lot different the art is You know,

it's it is not what it is today for sure. It's

not even it has and you'll hear in the in the

upcoming Next three episodes when we talk about

Spidey Iron Man and Wolverine. It's not even

the story of the writing It's not the writing

style. It's the presentation of the book and

the colors some of the old stuff is really this

book here has several pages where There's at

least one or two pages where like like the end

of this first chapter, and I'm not skipping ahead

here Well, I kind of am but I'm not really like

when the plane blows up. Okay? And Bucky's essentially

gone. You know, that explosion in the old style

would be bright yellow, like looking into the

friggin' sunlight. and here it looks it looks

fine it looks great and it looks amazing i just

i'm not i just found out that well as we go along

through this through this spotlight i'm not a

fan of the old comics i'm sorry for you know

i'm not trying to take any anyone's enjoyment

away that is but it's like it's just not for

me i i no This guy's still alive. I slept for

70 years, sir. I think I had my fill. Then you

should be out celebrating, seeing the world.

I went under. The world was at war. I wake up,

they say we won. They didn't say what we lost.

We've made some mistakes along the way. Some

very recently. You here with a mission, sir?

I am. Trying to get me back in the world? Trying

to save it. So the beginning here, we have...

I can't believe... I didn't even expect them

to do a secret identity thing. Because Bucky

and Steve are pretty much saying, oh no, don't

say anything. It's pretty much what it is, right?

The guys don't know that he's Captain America.

Yeah... All the characters Steve Rogers secret

identity is one that's Always a little bit questionable.

Sometimes people know he's Captain America. Sometimes

they don't but in this situation I think the

reason why he's What you get with him kind of

hiding that secret identity is his reaction towards

being but his reaction towards Captain America

He's a little bit hesitant to take on that role

I don't think he is and I think it is foreshadows

kind of him trying to take up that mantle as

Captain America as a leader of the Avengers as

well. So I think it's part of it is, you know,

the secret identity portion but I think it's

morally Mostly used just to see how he has yet

to really Become the Captain America. We know

and love he's not necessarily that guy who's

ready to be the hero people want him to be Yeah

Yeah, no Guess life is a very very old magazine

because they had it back then yes caps on the

cover I didn't realize that magazines that old

so the guys that are in this unit are basically

jealous because they have to leave they get other

They get orders to go someplace else and that's

basically what they've been doing apparently

it's that's how it that's how I read into it

was that They go where they're needed and they

only stay for a short amount of time. So they're

kind of like the The traveling soldiers. Yeah,

they Captain America pretty much go wouldn't

just based upon other stories He's been in every

part of World War two from the front lines to

the Pacific to pretty much everything mostly

in Europe But yeah, he kind of is the weapon

they just drop in wherever and he takes care

of the most crucial missions typically Now, this

whole part of this with this plane, this experimental

plane, how did this become a booby trap? Who

set - like, I didn't even know - I didn't even

- I know I'm not stupid. I know I read this book.

So, how did this happen? Did the enemy just set

this up, or? This is kind of where it helps knowing

a little bit about Marvel, where the death of

Captain America - or the death, quote -unquote,

death of Captain American Bucky has been done

a lot of different ways. And this is just kind

of, it's not giving you a lot of the detail.

There's been like Baron Zemo was one of the persons

who was responsible for it. He's the guy who

set up the booby trap. There's been different

ways that they've taken care of it. And this,

they don't give you much of an explanation. You

don't know what the mission was. You just know

it kind of happened. And it doesn't really tell

you. Well, why is it a bomb? Why did it go off?

Is it a booby trap or was it just planned to

do it that way or what have you? But I think

it's just trying to Fast forward and get to that

moment. We know it's coming. So Yeah, yeah And

like I was saying earlier that explosion looks

so cool Yeah, it helps when you have more of

a color palette palette today than you do back

in the day you have more options, but When this

was first written and drawn, you know, you had

what like 12 colors eight colors you can use

So you you weren't you weren't given many options

Nope And then Thor giant man wasp and Iron Man

find Steve Rogers. Yeah, the original Avengers.

Yeah I you know, I've said this before that I've

never really been into the Avengers. The only

reason why I even know about Ant -Man or Wasp

is because of that crappy United We Stand cartoon

back in the 90s. We did not speak of that cartoon.

Actually, we did on Tooncast Beyond, I think.

I don't remember if we did or not, but yeah.

But yeah, the Avengers for me are not these characters.

It's Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Thor. And

of course the two assassins You know I just I

don't know they're just never a team that I was

always more into the the 90 team of the X -Men

like Wolverine Cyclops Beast Storm rogue Jean

Grey all that and I've just never gotten into

the Avengers until the films Yeah, they're a

little bit more dry than you would the X -Men

the X -Men have that alternative personality,

but you know Back when this was written back

in the 60s They were like the cream of the crop

then for the most part in the Hulk was one of

the biggest characters You know Ant -Man tanked

him. He was there but uh He's a good character

if written, right? But yeah, it's it's interesting

seeing because you think of it now people associate

the Holy Trinity of the Avengers or Thor Captain

America and Iron Man, but Iron Man didn't earn.

Sorry Captain America didn't become an Avengers

till issue number four but yeah um so so we have

them they find him in the ice and they basically

bring him back to i assume what's avengers some

some danger room in avengers mansion um and he

can't hear what they're saying and all he can

hear is himself screaming bucky And they basically

have to orientate him to the fact that he's no

longer in his time Yeah, and like true cat fashion.

He's the guy he's never he doesn't really trust

them Of course, like he's always playing the

angle trying to figure out how to get out of

the situation He's in and you get that inner

monologue of the character and how he's kind

of playing dumb in certain instances Acting like

he can't understand what's going on when he has

a better idea kind of assessing the situation.

So But I do like that transition how it goes

from one panel you're seeing Bucky Just be destroyed

in that explosion and the next cap is waking

up. It's a quick transition, but I think it works

Well, oh it does it works very very well and

the art is just spectacular The inner monologue.

I love it. I never to give blood samples to anybody

Yeah, you know like Like I said, he's using his

his knowledge and trying to find holes in their

logic and try to find out if they're telling

the truth or if in fact they're working for the

other side Yeah, I am I Love that he calls wasp

tinkerbell It just shows his age it really really

does yeah, yeah So, let's see, where do we go

from here? He So it goes from the panel where

he says I trust her and then he it seems like

he burst out of there Because he's standing in

front of the welcome to New York sign. Yeah,

that's the big issue I had with the introduction

where there is It it kind of just lacks Connection

connective tissue like you don't really have

an idea of what's really going on. It goes from

one moment to the next and there's really no

idea Well, why is he now in the streets of New

York City? There's like nothing I go like although

I like to transition between you know Bucky dying

and waking up them finding him. Yeah this Then

it kind of keeps that up, but it's it's really

muddled and messy and you're just like is this

it just doesn't make sense because Suddenly he's

in the alleyway and like wait. He was just like

in a sub in Avengers Mansion Why is he it with

that? I think I think that was where this introduction

kind of loses a little bit near the end Yeah

It really does It's a good story. It's a well

-written story, but just part of the introduction

just isn't that's It's like he time jumped, but

he didn't. So then we have Cap going after some

muggers. That shot of him with the shield with

them firing on him. That's a really cool shot.

I like that. Yeah. And you have to like the reaction

of like, why do these kids have guns and like

everyone has guns? It's a good little bit of

commentary there. Yep, and then you know This

isn't the 1940s. You don't have you're not able

to save the damsel in distress cuz she'll just

shoot your ass Yeah, she's not gonna trust the

guy in the crazy getup Yeah Not a lot of people

would I Don't know what it is about the drawing

of cat between the panel where she shoots him

and the panel where he's laying almost dead.

It looks like the artist completely changed designs

and it looks like Cap gained about 200 pounds

in his face. Like seriously, look at the left

panel where she is, where she shoots him. He

looks like he normally looks, it's a little off,

but then look at the panel next to it as he's

laying down and his face is just all swollen

up. Yeah, I think it's meant to... Show just

like agony, but it does it doesn't make look

captain It's a weird angle. So it kind of makes

Captain Hector look like he has like four chins

Yeah, and that's how we end the first chapter

with him lying dead and The second chapter and

I will say all five of these covers. I absolutely

love all five. They're they're amazingly done

Yeah camp camp has some of my favorite. There's

a lot of great ways you can go with him and uh

in covers people tend to do it like propaganda

pieces like back in the day and i do like that

so yeah i do like some of the covers they're

not my favorite cap covers but um they're well

drawn at least so uh issue two starts out with

him thinking he's back in the hospital in the

war and he wakes up into the hospital today yeah

it's one consistent thing is he you can tell

his mind isn't quite not right yet because he's

seeing images of Bucky. He still thinks he's

not really buying into the fact that it's the

future yet. And you see that little reaction

when he sees an African -American woman nurse

or doctor, and he seems she's a nurse. And then

you get that little bit of surprise when he's

like, really? Because you think of back in his

day, that would never happen. Which is kind of

a good introduction to what it gets into more

in depth later in the comic. Yeah, yeah, it really

does and then dr. Dysart apparently kept served

with his dad Yeah, a little bit of a coincidence

there, but I guess it it's you know You'll you'll

have that in comics I guess yeah, that's one

of the things I always loved about cap and Wolverine

Wolverine more so that You never went with Wolverine

you never know how old he really is You know

yeah That line that line in the original x -men

movie he could very well be older than you professor

So we have the hospital scene here which That

clears up and apparently the Avengers are looking

for him, but throughout this book he they keep

saying he's everywhere and They they're not being

able to keep up with him and this next part of

the story here Has him trying to use a payphone

local calls 25 cents. Yeah, right like they even

have those anymore And then you see a kid running

up he sees a kid running up to him he thinks

it's Bucky but it's um It's the hulk. It's the

hulk's friend rick Why did they put Rick in here?

Well, Rick Jones was a huge part of the Avengers

back in the day So, you know, that's I didn't

realize who it was at first. I'm like, why is

who is that? I couldn't really place them. But

then like Alex Rick Jones So soon as I saw the

name of like why is the Hulk's buddy around?

It's mostly because with the Hulk being part

of the Avengers that Rick Jones was there too

like he was a huge future in the comics back

in the day because it was that normal guy who

was around super beings, but And I guess it kind

of makes a good correlation between himself and

Bucky for cap anyway So I don't think there are

any other Marvel characters or that you could

probably do that with not necessarily And then

This is another thing like they go into this

diner and then You know this whole time cap is

is Assuming this is that he's dreaming that there's

none of this is real Yeah, I think that's the

thing is like he still Questions what's going

on? You think he's either thinking he's crazy.

It's a dream. It's and it's a little bit muddled

between like what know what he can assess of

the situation, but he's still really not believing

when he's in at the moment and then he flings

his shield and hits a bus and I'm like What like

did he see a super villain? What's going on here?

Because that was another thing that was kind

of weird to me that I Think it was more so because

Rick Jones was questioning if he was really Captain

America, so I think my assumption was that it

was him showing that, yeah, this is Captain America

and let me prove it, and that's what he did.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Still, it was a little weird.

It was coming to come out of nowhere. I mean,

it would be like, it would be fine if there was

like, you know... carjacker that needed to be

stopped right next to the bus and he threw it

at the bus and it bounced off and hit the guy

like like if he was trying to stop a crime but

just Here, let me throw this shield at super

high speed. Does that prove you I'm Captain America?

That's just kind of I don't know. It's kind of

false flag for me Then the next few pages are

Rick teaching him about the internet and search

engines Yeah I'm glad they didn't really play

that for too much comedy because that's a like

a bad joke. You can easily do Well, they know

Wade didn't play it for comedy. He made it a

point for the story exactly Yeah, that's what

I like and I like that. I thought that was great

Yeah, because it's a cheap joke. You can go for

but they didn't go for that joke, which I appreciate

The biggest movie star in the world today, oh

my god, it's Will Smith Can tell how dated this

material is at this point Yeah, definitely it's

a few years old for sure Yeah So Cap Well Bucky

is talking or not Bob. I'm sorry not but Rick

is talking to cap and Rick is basically telling

you know this time of day We're better off taking

the six -string than my motors and then cap just

disappears he runs out the door and jumps off

the roof and every other thing uh yeah it doesn't

really give an explanation of like why did he

decide to finally go after the guy but you get

it shortly thereafter where which is a pretty

good moment where he finally buys into what's

really going on he doesn't think it's fake anymore

when he finds out that FDR Doing there with his

new Google search abilities He finds out that

FDR died before World War two can end and he

just thought that was too tragic for anyone to

think up of so he buys in and goes to take down

the guy who of course is an Alien, you know,

like we all are Was gonna say it would have been

a nice little not if they made the guy a scroll

Since cap is on since every time I've ever seen

cap do anything he is always the first one in

any kind like I was reading superior spider -man

and There was a point where they were going to

and it was this was his idea do an experiment

on spider -man to figure out if he's a scroll

or not and the same thing in superhero squad

show the scrolls always seem to be cap's main

kind of thing in the but uh so we get the panel

where he breaks in he finds the alien you're

you're a man from mars of course you're a man

from mars ha ha ha again he looks like he has

seven chins when he's laughing the drawing on

cap like art itself in this book is great, but

his design is not consistent at all. It changes

all the time. And I don't like that about it.

I wish they would stay consistent with it. If

you're going to make him fat, make him fat. If

you're going to make him skinny, make him skinny.

Yeah, there's I mean, there's a few poses of

Cap and a lot of him. I think a lot of it is

the angles that they're choosing, and I think

that is where it's becoming an issue. It just

it just awkward at moments and There's a lot

of images of like cap throwing and that are face

on like him in attack mode straight looking at

the audience which work but then there are some

that are just not as Good and they're almost

robbie filled ask and there's their awkwardness.

So yeah, I do agree that can sit there's a lack

of consistency there with With the drawings design.

Yeah So this Book two ends with him now believing

and I love how he sees At the end of this I love

how he sees half Bucky and half Rick That was

a cool design And of course chapter three or

book three is the The cover that we have on the

main cover of the of the trade. It's no it's

it's not right cover. I like cover two better

Yeah, I think I could see why they win it for

why they chose that for the main trade cover

because it It kind of represents the theme of

the book of man out of time. So I do I do agree

though I don't know if it's the best one, but

it's probably the best representation of what

the book is about Yeah So book three opens up

with Creepy looking Iron Man. I Don't think I've

ever seen his helmet look used like a reflection

like that I don't know if I've ever seen that

that's kind of awesome. Yeah, it's been done

before but it's still effective you know So they're

going to So now that he's like Realized this

is a dream. He's actually saying in his monologue

He's saying the one that I thought is a robot

is actually called Iron Man and they're doing

all these tests on him to find out exactly what's

going on with him yeah i mean because the big

question is how did he survive it and i like

the fact that they do kind of question that and

they're not just like oh he's he's super soldier

serum but they're they're just baffled by it

as much as we would be in that situation so yeah

I do like how they get into with the third issue

and Well, you know the he's has that relationship

with Tony Stark I should say but I like how there's

that line about how like they have no idea how

iron man got The DNA of Captain America because

it's like secret issued and stuff like that and

which is kind of funny It would have been a nice

little nod since this came out You said this

was published 2011, right? Yes. It would have

been a nice little nod to the film if Howard

Stark had had it on file for years. Yeah. Yeah,

I love his relationship with Tony. I think that's

awesome. kind of reflects what happens in Avengers

a little bit. I mean, Tony in Avengers doesn't

have all the time in the world like you do here.

to reintegrate cap but i do really like that

that it's tony that's it's the bad boy billionaire

that's you know trying to convince captain america

of all the stuff that has happened it also shows

you like how many how he kind of manipulates

him in some ways uh and and for the i guess in

his mind for the good but the the relationship

between captain america and iron man has always

been a key portion of the avengers and seeing

that introduces is effective and how he What

was interesting too is like you think oh the

thing that captain america is going to have to

adjust to the most is the Technology that he

has to deal with but for him that's pretty simple

because you think about it When he fought in

world war two he fought with namor from atlantis.

He fought with human torch, which wasn't like

a robot So like this the technology thing like

he mentions is an easy thing to get over it's

not in the the thing that's really shocking is

just the social and you know political climate

how once that's changed with it comes to like

How how integration and the segregation all that

and how that gets into that? the character and

how that impacts from the most for a positive

way and how seeing that it's that was basically

what he was fighting for and How that kind of

makes him want to stay where he's at because

he sees what he did had a purpose to it But then

he how it then kind of twist that on its head

later on Where it shows both sides, which is

I think what the I think that's really what what

makes this book work is how it uses Captain America

kind of as commentary on the progression of the

United States with since World War two and the

good as well as the bad and how They so interlock

with each other and how it's far more complex

than we then we try to emit that time So I think

that's really what makes man out of time work

is they can use captain america in an effective

way To show the progression of time and so show

what happens And ladies and gentlemen, we have

president lex luther because you never actually

stay don't at least in this first these first

two panels you don't actually see who the president

is um but he does look like a tall balding man

kind of like lex luther yeah they tend to if

marvel does this a lot if they have a current

president they depend if it's like a one -off

story or something like that sometimes they don't

completely show the president Mostly I think

I don't it could be for a few reasons But I think

it's just not to date the book to let it be a

little bit more more timeless because if you

put a president in there No matter like if you

do it during the 90s when Bush or Clinton are

president and now a few years after that that

books now suddenly dated and you've looked at

the purpose of this book, it's to It's basically

to bring Captain America into today. And then

if it's so that I think that's a smart move where

they Yeah, you can kind of guess it's who it

is obviously, but they leave it a little bit

open -ended And this one This one kind of ends

with With basically someone telling the president

that Iron Man is gonna keep a coach it's Tony

Always for I'm so used to Marvel Cinematic at

this point. I'm not used to Tony having the secret

identity anymore Yeah, yeah I'm just not I mean,

you know Robert Downey jr. Kind of threw that

out the window at the end of the first film and

it's like Going back and seeing that. Oh, yeah,

Tony Stark. He's not Iron Man Iron Man's his

bodyguard. Yay so this would kind of ends with

with tony assuring the president that iron man

will keep an eye on cap and and it ends with

cap sitting at the feet of abraham lincoln yeah

because it is that the tragedy of him wanting

to go back to his time and having the capability

to do so but knowing that there could be repercussions

and basically his soldier side has to take over

when he's given a strict order that he can't

and i think that's i think that one makes That's

one that that's what I like about Captain America

more than Superman is that Captain America has

more of a tragic tragic side to him and He has

so much weight in so much to carry But he's just

a guy. He's not a super being. He's not an alien.

He's just a normal guy. So it's it's it's difficult

He's a guy with super soldier serum in him. I

mean he's not Captain America is no Batman, you

know Batman's just a guy. Well, the super soldier

serum doesn't give him super strength It's just

he the super soldier serum all it does it It's

basically a human at the intensity of the capability

like he can like it's he's still human. He doesn't

have superpowers Um, he he is the closest thing

to a superhero without having superpowers And

the fact that he has to lead a team of a you

know, everyone on the team has more powers than

him But it's his tactical mind and his heart

and leadership that kind of make him who he is

But this shows you that you know, he doesn't

just get there. There's there's work that needs

to be done. He has to Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

I would almost, and this might be an argument

for maybe a pullback after dark episode, I would

almost argue your point about how he's a little

bit more tragic than Superman. Superman has a

lot of weight on his shoulders. I mean, he's

the last of his kind. Well, at least until Kara

shows up, but I mean, you know. the last of a

dying planet stranger in a strange world with

new powers that sometimes he can't control and

having to constantly deal with the public and

find a way to do that and that's why obviously

Clark Kent was was uh made up but yeah um again

cover four i like it but it's still not as good

as cover two i don't know cover two just seems

to sit in my mind at this point now Yeah, I don't

disagree with you the fourth covers pretty just

you're straightforward It's kind of it's it's

just kind of doing what I did before but just

with a different background. So Yeah, nothing

very impressive. Yep. So he's in this he's going

to Arlington National Cemetery Because part of

this whole book is like you were saying he wants

to get back to his own time Because he wants

to save Bucky. That's the whole point of part

of this book And this is where he runs into Thor.

And they have a conversation. I just... I don't

know what it is about Thor, ladies and gentlemen.

I prefer him as comic relief. I prefer him in

Superhero Squad and talking really strangely

and it just... I don't know. He just doesn't

resonate with me, I guess. Don't know I like

their it their their interaction though. I think

it's a really good interaction and the colors

and the art and the rain how the rain is done

is absolutely amazing, but I I Just can't get

behind Thor. I Don't know I I what I like about

that moment is that it's basically Thor in some

ways calling out Captain America Basically, you

know if you know anything about Thor he comes

from, you know, being of, you know, the Asgard,

Asgard, that Viking mentality where dying on

the battlefield is the most glorious triumph

that you can get. And the fact that he, Captain

America wants Bucky, wants to see Bucky from

that is to Thor, you know, inconceivable because

it's like, how can you steal that from him? And

he looks at it as more of a theft of honor rather

than, you know, An act of mercy. So which is

interesting I don't think it has the effect that

you would assume it would happen Cavanaugh think

it really changes his mind at all, but it gets

into what happens it I think it softens it a

little bit, but what happens next I think it's

a little bit more even more tragic as he Meets

his former soldier or I think lead commander

In the nursing home and they and he kind of sees

the other side like I talked about He sees the

other side of what Tony Stark didn't say Tony

Stark brought out all the positive now He's in

the hospital with a former soldier kind of talking

about, you know, the negative side of what's

happened. So yeah, yeah with the general I do

like that that dichotomy of those two different

sizes and then how it that conflict that ensues

and how it how you went from feeling like oh

what he fought for was successful to like wow

the what he fought for is not happening so yeah

no I love the contrast because you don't normally

think of Tony being positive no Tony Tony's Tony's

positive don't get me wrong but you don't you

wouldn't think of him being the guy to reintegrate

Cap into society. And what I love about Tony's

character development in this story is that he

does. He does do it positively. He is trying

to save Cap from the sadness and the reality

of what actually happened. Yes, sure, we won

World War II, but we won it at a huge cost. You

know, yeah and the world that he envisioned is

not necessarily the world that they live in,

you know, there's there's the attitude in the

You know, it's a little bit more cynical. It's

You know, there's things that he could not imagine

on TV that are on television The pop culture

is not exactly what he assumed. He felt like,

you know, it's a little bit Decaying in his eyes

because it's not the pure Form of what it was

back in his day and some instances in some ways.

It's better in some ways It's worse. So I do

like how they're both on conflict like you have

they talk about like Martin Luther King and how

that was a huge moment for For cap when he saw

that speech and then he's like, well, did he

tell you what happened to that guy afterwards?

It's like, oh, yeah, he was assassinated. So

like the light and dark and like the How even

a very positive moment has negative consequences,

which I think is Key to what makes this book

work Yeah Yeah so the So he meets this nurse

because apparently the general died And he meets

the apparently she's a private care nurse she

doesn't work for the hospital Which I find that

a little strange that a private care nurse Don't

know why I find that strange, but a private care

nurse would be in a hospital with the I don't

know it's it's not gonna It's not like it's gonna

ruin my opinion of the book, but I just it's

a little nitpick that I'm like that's a little

weird But they have a conversation as to why

she's in America and she her bottom line is it's

America And then we get this Because the general

gave him this photo and then hey look hang shows

up. Oh boy At first I thought this was dr. Doom

the way is just the way that his helmet it like

in that After you turn the page where the nurse

is and the ship shows up in that first appearance

Yeah, it calls himself Kang talks about us like

we're insects. No offense wasp. Anyone recognize

him Thor giant man. No His helmet, just the way

his face looks at first, it kind of reminds me

of Doctor Doom a little bit. Yeah, I could see

that, I could see that. So the Avengers and Kang

fight, and sadly the Avengers lose. is kind of

the bottom line. Yeah, and Cap gets kind of thrown

back. He kind of gets his wish, in a way, and

he gets thrown back into his present, well, his

present abac, shortly after the end of World

War II. Yeah. You insufferable little gnat be

gone. And boom! Like, okay, so Kang is someone

who has basically traversed the time stream.

So I can see he would have powers to... to do

this now I thought at first I don't know what

I was thinking because of because of the way

they end this this part of the book I thought

this was the final part I thought this was no

no no seriously if you look in the trade and

you look at that page where the explosion happens

you turn the page you see it victory over everybody's

partying caps back Then I saw oh, hey variant

cover for number one and I'm like, okay Well,

I guess I guess that we're gonna go into a variant

cover gallery and whatever else like oh, no Here's

here's part five and the story's not over yet

Still Cover two my favorite. I I like cover five.

It's kind of cool. I don't get why Spidey's there

though. Oh That's People in the top right -hand

corner that those are the new Avengers. That's

why he's there. He's there with Luke Cage and

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I get it now So we're we're

back in 1945 and part five of this story basically

Traverses 45 and present day to tell you a combined

story of what cap is dealing with in 1945 then

how he's going to get back to save the Avengers

in the present day I kind of like this I like

this back and forth I like him going back and

becoming accustomed to what he already knew you

know he he goes to the circus luckily there were

no acrobatic families that Tony Zuko killed that

day That would be years later. So we've got this

and we travel back to the 21st century where

Kang is still wreaking havoc and the Avengers

are in trouble and someone is sending an A1 priority

alert and we travel back to Cap's time. and we

see him becoming alchemated to to what he knew

and we run into one of the one of his old buddies

not really a buddy but this guy oh my god i wanted

to punch this guy in the nuts he makes sense

and you know but oh boy yeah so we then flash

to Noonan basically said you can't change stuff

or you can't you know if you he basically says

if you fail then what more can you do his base

is basic point and and then cap somehow I don't

know how like I thought his Avengers card I thought

that was just a card I mean, I'm sure it's the

Avengers. It's Tony Stark. He's going to have

all kinds of tech in it. But where does the keyboard

come in? That's what I want to know. Yeah, it's

yeah. Well, it's you know, it's comic books.

Your key card could be a radio. You know, it's

a it's like the best master card ever, basically.

I really home without it. Yeah, it's funny. I

had the thing that kind of it's the idea of like

writing something and sending it into the future

and waiting for it to like, you know, you Writes

the letter puts it in the thing. It's like, okay

I'll send this to the future future by you know,

and then eventually they'll come back I kind

of got the ending of like bill and ted when they're

like we're talking about like everything they're

gonna do in order to yeah, and it was just a

thing that reminded me of it, but uh You know

it it worked. It's a good way to write yourself

out of that hole in order to get back Captain

what it remind yeah what what it reminded me

of though was um frequency with Jim Caviezel

and Dennis Quaid because he says okay dad put

the wallet somewhere you know in the house that

won't be disturbed for 30 years and then poof

it's there kind of like now where Cap puts this

Smart card is all as I can really call it puts

this smart card into this photograph of him that

he had signed for the general And all of a sudden

Reed Richards shows up and he's going back to

save the Avengers Yeah, Reed Richards has used

a good write -out for anyone like oh we have

this problem Reed Richards fix it and that's

pretty much all the explanation you need But

uh after all all the marvel superheroes live

in new york. I mean come on They have house parties

every weekend I know New york is the safest city

in the world for some reason, but they don't

spread themselves out very well It's not like

it's not like everybody can go to la to punish

people So Cap is back and Giant Man and Thor

and Iron Man are all going up against Kang. And

Kang is defeated this time around. Yeah, it's

Captain America. Because they're actually working

as a team instead of individuals. That's always

a key. Yep. But you know, it's Captain America.

Realize, like I said, this book is all about

Captain America coming to the realization, coming

to him. Feeling like that hero everyone wants

him to be and this is where it cultivates into

that moment and you know He ends up being the

one factor that is able to take down Kang because

he I guess he's often very under people often

underestimate him because of his human factor

But you know, he's got that never say die attitude

And I love what I love about Wade's writing in

this is he starts out with a monologue being

reports to whoever his commanding officer is.

And then it changes to a personal journal. I

love that. I think that's a really nice touch

that he realizes he no longer, okay, sure. Cap

has to maybe report to the president, but he

doesn't have to send. It's not 1945 anymore.

You don't have to send field reports to. the

president every time. So I like that it turned

into a personal journal. Overall, man out of

time. Absolutely enjoyable to read. Absolutely

loved it. I thought it was great. There are a

few nitpicks, like the non -consistency in the

design and drawing of Cap and how his, even that

closeup shot when he shows Rick. This is why

I believed that it wasn't a dream anymore and

he has a tear coming out of his right eye, even

that his facial features. It looks like the blob

is in Captain America's suit. I'm sorry. I'm

sorry. It just, I wish that the drawing on cap

was a little more consistent and it's only in

the like you were saying the angle shots like

if if bucky is sitting to his left and he's looking

at bucky sometimes his face looks like it's bludgeoning

out to you know three feet in front of him it

just it just looks weird but overall the writing

absolutely love the writing um i don't like a

few of the jump cuts in the beginning part but

i think wade kind of wade and the artist kind

of stopped that as the story went along uh Yeah,

I really I really dug it. What are your kind

of final thoughts on on man out of time? I agree

I think it gets better as with each installment

I think the third and fourth book are probably

the strong and the third and fourth issues are

probably the strongest out of all of them Just

because I think it really that's where you get

into the heart of the heart of the story Like

you mentioned the jump cut stuff in the beginning

the lack of like connected tissue Makes a little

bit hard to read and like I mentioned I think

if you don't there might be moments that you

don't have a completely Understand understanding

of if you are coming in that's completely blind

as a Marvel fan Especially with the Avengers

connections and Kang and some of the other stuff

and especially Rick Jones like we've mentioned

So but yeah, if you're looking for a cap story

to get into and you're not a big cap fan This

is one I would recommend All right, so on the

GCR Universal rating system, I'm gonna give this

four out of five stars, which is really liked

it. I have to take one star off for the inconsistency

on the art when it comes to cap. I just can't

give it a perfect on that. I just... I else just

too weird. I'll go four to five as well But I

had less issues with it to see the art more shoes

with the just the introduction of the character

in the beginning just the lack of Just the lack

of fluidity with the first two issues. So that's

what I give it four to five as well I think with

me and you'll find this out ladies and gentlemen

as marvelous March continues When I do have issues

with the art. It's not so much that I had issues

with the art as I was because as I was reading

this I was fine because I was more so paying

attention to the story. than i was the actual

art as we were flipping through it and going

through it here on the podcast that's generally

when i have when i take issue with the arts is

when i'm going back through it and looking at

it and actually paying it i pay attention to

the art when i'm reading a comic but at the same

time it's like i read the i read it all almost

like you would read a book like i pay attention

to the story first in the art We're gonna take

another quick break and we're gonna come back

and we're all gonna smash some stuff on Planet

Hulk after this. May we finally find peace All

right Next up we have planet Hulk a whole new

world of hurt Betrayed by Earth's heroes and

exiled into outer space the man monster Hulk

has landed on the distant planet Sakaar Ruled

by the tyrannical red king sold into slavery

Hulk becomes the green scar the planet's mightiest

gladiator But his new masters get more than they

bargained for when he forges a bond of a band

is it band or bond wow i can't read a bond of

brotherhood with his fellow fighters crafty insectoid

meek the horrific brood wise rockman corg shadow

wario heroine nobleborn rebel Hello and her loyal

guardsman ski Together these gladiators start

a revolution that could change the entire world

or destroy it It's savage sci -fi fantasy by

award -winning writer Greg Pak guest starring

the silver surfer Oh boy Now all as I'm seeing

when I when I see that saying guest starring

the silver surfer all as I can hear is George

Takei's voices as Galactus superhero squad show

wanting to eat some planets. I love George Takei,

he's so awesome. He's a funny dude. Alright ladies

and gentlemen, Planet Hulk is the Incredible

Hulk, issued 92 to 104. That's 12 issues. This

book is about the same size as Welcome Back Frank,

and I nearly got carpal tunnel. I'm trying to

read it all at once. So we are not going to be

going through this book page by page like we

did with Cap. It is too big. Dan and I would

be here for two hours straight if we went through

this entire thing page by page. I will say as

I'm reading it, as I was reading it, I'm like,

oh, I'm only X number of pages in. The story's

not bad. I like the story, but I... couldn't

help feeling half the time. I'm like, hey, isn't

this Warworld? Which one? Warworld. It's a DC

thing. Oh, that I don't know. Yeah, Warworld

is Mongol. And it's basically the same thing

as this. It's pitting gladiators against each

other for the crowd's approval. There have been

stories like this a million times before What's

interesting with this story? I found was what?

You know that that the heroes of Earth you know

basically exile Hulk and He finds a new planet

new friends people that actually accept him You

know so yeah, that's I mean I think yeah like

you said I mean the whole gladiator thing has

been done in many different Many different ways

being gladiator, for example, it's a common common

usage, but I think what works obviously that's

not like the the big thing here It's just really

your introduction into the world and I think

it's that's really what it's used for most is

just to get you an idea of like the hierarchy

of this world and who's on the bottom who's on

the top to control people have and I think it

is interesting to kind of put hulk in that world

like a little bit of a depowered hulk compared

to What we know but a little bit more Saying,

you know a little bit more competent. He's not

just Hulk smash. He has some intelligence to

him, but I think it starts off well because I'd

like we were mentioning the big thing here is

this it's a really long book, but this also is

creating this world before this book this world

never existed in Marvel and I think it it's cool

just seeing all these characters and seeing these

worthless world and its rules and different like

Philosophy kind of be established. I think it

great practice a wonderful job of getting that

done Yeah, he does a wonderful job of the writing.

I really dig the art there There's not I mean

unless somebody's gonna draw a hulk with us,

you know An internet smiley face. There's not

a lot I mean like I can't complain about hulk's

design versus me complaining about the inconsistency

of cap and man out of time Will say after reading

this this took me. Oh, I don't know hour and

a half two hours to read Because I'm a fairly

fast reader, but that's as fast as I could read

it It took me about two hours to read and then

I spent the next hour and 20 minutes watching

the film Ladies and gentlemen watch the movie

Well, I mean if you want like okay sure if you

want the full story read this trade But if you

want the condensed version and basic basically

for me what this book is is Hey, Hulk, we're

exiling you and then as you come to this new

planet, you're going to be sold into slavery.

Yay Not cool. I think there's a little bit more

to that too I think is it is that like Holt's

biggest tragedy is his inability to kind of find

a home in some ways and he yeah, he finds he

becomes It says that journey of that he is that

isolated hero that likes to be alone and becoming

the reluctant hero this race and how he Fits

into that world role and then how through the

progression and the tragedy then that takes place

afterwards and how You have this prophecy of

him either saving the world or also being the

person who destroys it and how that That conflict

that ensues and how he kind of does a little

bit of both maybe not under his own understanding

But yeah, I think maybe the framework is what

we've seen before. It's you know, it's that unlike

it's kind of like a almost like a bad Chuck Norris

Movie or something, you know, like the the hero

with all the power coming into the save the peasants

from the evil king It's you know, it's something

we've seen before of course, like you mentioned,

but I just oh my oh my god the little alien dude

though God, what's his name ski or scre or what's

his name? Oh crap Oh one that keeps going on

and on and on about stuff. That's with the heroes.

Yes ski She said Chuck Norris and all as I'm

thinking is the Hulk is Chuck Norris Ski is Jonathan

Brandis and in sidekicks I never I did not expect

a sidekick reference today There's always when

you have the opportunity into I what I like to

I like I like the characters I like the design

of the characters and there's so many different

versions of them and I think that to me is what

I like the most about hog is that and the thing

that really Going back and rereading this makes

me really sad is how it makes all these great

characters It establishes all these great characters

and then Marvel kind of did nothing with them

after this book It kind of ruined them all so

that's like that's my one my one worry kids right

after this book After this ends. I don't know

if you've if you've read it, but it leads right

into a whirlpool Yeah, we're a little old which

was Was a man storyline, but I did really enjoy

this one. Yeah I enjoy this story. It's interesting

to see what Hulk would act like after You know

like him being outside the Avengers him being

off of Earth when I found and I Did read this

like right not right before we've recorded the

episode but you know the the morning of the recording

before we recorded and Again, I didn't was there

any point in this that he transformed back into

Banner uh no uh no it's just hulk right yeah

again that's part of if there is a story in the

middle of it it takes up um of giant size hulk

number 15 or something like that i'm sorry yeah

giant size hulk number one and that kind of gets

into the hulk boost banner thing and why he doesn't

transform and basically banners let him take

control yeah That's why he he doesn't transform

but he also maintains his intelligence. So it

the Hulk is weird like that some that's the Sometimes

he can transform sometimes he can sometimes he's

Grey Hulk and the Hulk is gone. We talked about

training transforming Hulk has more different

versions of him than probably more than Optimus

Prime because he he has every Every time he gets

a new writer. I feel like there's new roles for

his character. So yeah and I do like the You

do like the what and a lot of ways this is like

Hulk in a John Carter type story I don't even

saw that movie, but no I Know I they couldn't

make up their mind on what the title of the movie

was gonna be yeah I mean, it's a million times

better, but yeah, it's the idea That guy coming

and saving the planet, but I just like just how

it feels like a classic sci -fi the characters

are outlandish and crazy The concepts are nuts

and I just something about the Hulk in gladiator

gear, which he doesn't need He doesn't need gladiator

gear really, but it just looks kind of badass

to me Yeah It does look really really badass

and and again what I like most about this This

is gonna sound kind of cheesy, but I like that

all the covers are bordered in green I Don't

know what like the covers themselves. They're

okay, but I don't know. They just don't really

They just don't none of them really stuck out

like stood out for me at all My favorite one

is like 94. It's which is the cover of Hulk and

he's got like the almost like the Roman classic

Roman helmet on it just it looks like a Like

that type of esching or statue. Uh, it's nothing

like fantastic It's more so the concept not necessarily

the the actual drawing itself that I really like

so But yeah, I mean I wouldn't if I wouldn't

blow up any of these covers and put them on my

wall But I do like looking at them Yeah um, I

do think though the the the giant size hulk that's

like in the middle of the graphic novel and almost

It ties into this but not that much to me. That's

probably you can kind of get rid of that. I think

that's the one thing I it just It doesn't feel

necessary it know it which is usually the case

with like giant -sized special issues They're

just kind of one -offs, but it just it's it it

gets away from the main story And it's just you're

just waiting to get through it to get back to

the story. That's actually interesting Mm -hmm.

Yep That's one of the reasons why I said Go watch

the movie everybody The reason I don't like the

movie well for one they I do though. I love a

better a bill I prefer silver surfer being the

character that that he fights with and I just

I do think it It cuts off a lot of what really

makes the movie work, but I don't I don't dislike

that movie. I think it Of most of the Marvel

DC movie. We're not sorry. Most of the Marvel

tractor dv movies aren't very good That's at

least one of the better ones for I would say

Yeah, I didn't much care for the ending though.

I liked the fact that he found a new home that

he could survive on this planet. And that's kind

of the other thing. And this is just a super

nitpick on my part, I get that. But like, they

found a planet for him that has vegetation that

doesn't have any people. Because he hulked out

and destroyed the spaceship and knocked him off

course. Sent him to scar so How is he supposed

to serve I don't I scar oxygen and carbon dioxide

Well the whole key like he can involve so he

can pretty much he can survive in space Actually,

like you can survive without oxygen for a great

deal amount of time so I mean it is convenient

that it probably has oxygen and he can breathe

but Mean it would be like it'd be a very short

comic book if he landed on a planet that was

like all lava -based And he just died it would

maybe be more realistic per se but it would not

make for a fun story. Oh My god, I can now see

Disney Marvel Star Wars crossover Hulk goes to

the Mustafa system You never know you never Star

Wars episode died featuring Marvel superheroes

would ever hear the Pat Oswald? Monologue of

what he thinks I'll do with episode 7. It's not

it's pretty hilarious if you've never listened

to it It's really funny, but it gets into that

type of idea so Anything else you wanted to talk

about with Planet Hope I liked it. I thought

it was really good other than the fact that trades

like this I think need If you're gonna have a

12 -issue trade, split it up into two parts,

people. Because, like, it was either sit in my

chair and hold this for two hours, or go lay

down and just have it in front of me, like, with

my chin sitting on the book. Because it's like,

oh my god, this thing is friggin' huge! Um, no,

I I really love the story. I thought it was really

really good. It's a nice commentary on What can

you do with the Hulk? Yeah, that's Hulk is a

limited character if not written correctly and

I think this was probably I haven't read Hulk

recently but during its time it made Hulk into

a primetime character again and showed that he

could be you could do interesting and new stories

with him because this like before that like you

can really run Run dry on Hulk story. There's

only so many you can do but I think this really

re -energized the character in a lot of ways

Which was later wasted with World of Hulk, but

that's not Greg Peck's fault, but uh That's like

probably the worst thing about Planet Hulk is

that it sets itself up Well, and it just everything

that it kind of built it gets destroyed. But

you know, that's the world of comics, I guess

And I do love, well, I didn't read, I didn't

really pay a lot of attention to the stuff that's

in the back of the book, but it's a full -on

description of Scar and some of the other stuff,

but I love the afterword by Pak, where at the

bottom he says, finally, all hail the Eye of

Anger, the King of Smash, two hands, Hoku, the

Green Scar, the Green King, the Hulk, it's his

planet we're just missing. Yes, it's a nice place

to visit but I wouldn't want to live there Overall

I liked Hulk the I liked Planet Hulk If you don't

want to you know Destroy your hand trying to

read it. I still suggest watching the movie for

a simple kind of kind of storyline for it Or

yeah, you could probably just get it in single

issues that or yeah. Oh 92 to 104 get the digital

copies. Yeah. Yeah, that's true But there wasn't

really anything with it that I don't want to

have to take a point off just because It's a

story that we've seen before But at the same

time I I almost feel that I have to because I

Swear to God you take this same story Take out

the elements for Hulk that he needs a place to

live that you know No one's gonna bother him,

and he can't hurt anybody this to me is if you

go watch is it Justice League either season one

or season two there's a two -parter called war

world and it's Superman Going to this being transported

to this world where they do nothing but fight

And that's kind of what this was for me a little

bit. Yes It has the added advantage that it's

the Hulk and that gives me a purpose and an understanding

of what the Hulk's Kind of not necessary. I know

everybody knows the damn origin You know, but

it gives me an insight into his personality and

I did like that for it at the same time At the

end of the day, I still have to give it four

out of five. I just, I feel like I've read the

story before, just the general gladiator type

of story. Well, I mean, I do agree, like the

framework, it's classic Spartacus. I mean, you

can go way back then. to the same storyline of

Discladiator that then becomes a figure for people

to rally behind. But that has really bothered

me. To me, plot is a thing that makes your story

good, then you don't have a good story, because

it's the easiest thing to do. I think what makes

a story good is your characters and everything

that makes up in between that framework, which

I think it has. I think that's the strength though.

I think this has so many great characters We

talked about some of them and especially with

a relationship between them and especially that

of seeing relationship Between Hulk and his future

wife in this story But I mean is it a story that

it's gonna be like, oh wow, this has twists and

turns I was never expecting is this something

that is completely Groundbreaking no, not necessarily

what it has issues. Like I mentioned mostly the

giant size issue I was not a big fan of it felt

very happenstance ask but I Wouldn't go ahead.

So I wouldn't give it a five out of five. It's

not perfect by any means But I go four point

five because I do I do really really like this

story It's probably my all -time favorite Hulk

stories. I'm not the biggest Hulk fan, but to

me this is Nearly the best you can do with that

character. So Yeah. All right. Well, we're gonna

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America and the Hulk. As long as they continue

going with Chris Evans in the Marvel Cinematic

Universe and whatever future cap slash Avengers

movies they'll be doing, I'll be fine with it.

As I said at the beginning of this episode, at

some point either this year or maybe the first

few months of 2015, we will be getting to the

Brubaker run, because I am interested. After

reading Man at a Time, I'm interested to see

what Brubaker did. Now those were published,

when do you know off the top of your head? It

started around I would say 2005 2006. Okay. Okay.

It's modern good Yeah, yeah, it's very modern

it It's not that old stuff And Hulk I just I

don't know I don't know if I can read any more

Hulk comics Yeah, I don't read there's not much

Hulk I get it when you asked about Hulk This

is really the only one I could really say. Yeah

read this one. I I'm like you I I know there's

a lot of great Hulk stuff out there, but I he's

never been a character that Interested me more

so than him being a member of the Avengers. So,

you know and because that's you know, that's

what That's what makes Hulk the Hulk. I mean

that you you look at that Avengers movie And

I mean the action marvels the Avengers not that

British crap Yeah, Ralph Fiennes worst film choice

ever You know you look at Marvel's The Avengers

and what makes Hulk so great is how Ruffalo plays

Banner and how he plays him as the Hulk because

that that's you know as he says in the film the

trick about controlling the Hulk is he's always

angry and It was just really heartwarming. And

I mean come on Everybody loves the scene at the

end puny God Yeah, he stole the show in that

movie there's no doubt Yeah, he did. He really

did. I will say that Tony Stark kind of stole

it as well because I have it on me. We have a

Hulk. As far as future Hulk coverage, if people

want to comment on this episode or if people

want to email me tfg1mikeatgmail .com or send

an email to feedback at geekcastradio .com and

if you have any suggestions of Hulk stories that

you think I would like that's all well and good.

I don't think we're going to be doing any more

Hulk coverage after this. I think next year's

Marvelous March is going to have to have a fill

-in, a different Marvel hero for the first or

second slot for the spotlight, because it just

doesn't resonate with me. Kind of like Thor.

Thor doesn't really resonate with me all that

much. Unless they're you know, a comedy duo.

Or if... No, seriously. It'd be like an odd couple

waiting to happen. Well, look at Avengers. I

mean, the two of them were always going at each

other's throats, and it was funny as hell. You

know, I mean, if there are any Thor Hulk team

-ups out there... I'll give them a try if they're

comedy books. I don't think they're already on

the wrong team ups out there, but Alright, where

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