IDW TMNT and Ghostbusters Crossover Review

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the poll bag This is episode 98 episode 98 was

gonna be a very a variety of things that at one

point was gonna be the grim fairy tales Robin

Hood Issues it was gonna be angels smile time

and now it's going to be TMNT Ghostbusters crossover

from IDW publishing I am one of your host Tfg

and Mike. Joining me is Joe Reed. Hello, sir.

Hello and hello listeners Yes So, how are you?

I I can't complain about how I am. I'm pretty

well and I don't know this this the Ghostbusters

turtles thing. I can't say I was excited for

that but I Was excited but I was skeptical at

the same time and what made me even more skeptical

was this this was when I heard about this it

was I had that convention and I went and met

Tom Waltz and He says, yeah, we we went to Sony

and we went to Viacom and we said, you know,

it's a big anniversary for both properties. Can

we make this in Canon for both comic series?

And they said, yes. And then I go like, what?

And, you know, I didn't I didn't foresee parallel

universes. I saw that the turtles were going

to climb out of the sewer and then go to the

Ghostbusters firehouse that they existed in the

same world. Like, wait, how can that? No way,

because. But they handle that in a different

way, and we'll discuss that when we get to it.

For me, this is a 4 -issue mini -series from

IDW. For me, I was excited for it. I have yet

to, and I want to eventually get into the IDW

Ghostbusters series. Even though I know it's

ending or has already ended, I'm not sure if

it's already done yet or not. I do want to go

back and get into that. Ladies and gentlemen,

I've been doing this podcast for three years

now and it's just been one thing after another.

I don't have enough time in a week, let alone

a day to read all the comics I should probably

read or want to read. But as always, because

this is Turtles, it's me and Joe here for TMNT

Ghostbusters, the crossover. We have four issue

number one. There are, and I'm not sure why,

because there's, oh, no, I know why. There are

six total covers for this one. You get the regular

cover with Donnie and Egon in the background,

and then the rest of the Turtles and the rest

of the Ghostbusters in the foreground here. This

is the regular cover. What do you think of the

regular cover sir? I need to go open it again

because on ford my issue one is Gone, I can't

find it and kind of I know it's around here somewhere.

I last know a couple of what was it? Saturday

I had the big comic book sort and I finally got

everything on the new shelves that I bought from

Costco in short boxes Sorted alphabetized numbered

except I can't find my number one. So it's probably

hiding upstairs. There's the cover. I just brought

it up Well, I this is this particular cover is

by the artist who's been on the Ghostbusters

since the book one I've really enjoyed his cartoony

abstractions of the actors. There's a slight

blend between the animated series and the actual

real people who played them and they're very

exaggerated, stretched out large chins, but you

can tell who they are and they're exquisitely

expressive and so he's doing the turtles and

his take on the turtles is relatively unique

their shells are gigantic, but it's they aren't

as Obtrusive as like the movie turtles gigantic

shells There's slightly more traditional looking

outside of having the giant shell on the back

They even are the turtles are so traditional

that they even have that little circle belt buckle

That's just missing their little colored initial

on there for them to be like animated series

But I like his turtles and and they they fit

with how the Ghostbusters and the characters

from that world look. Absolutely. The subscription

cover, for those of you who added this to your

pull box, pull bag at your local comic shop,

is the four Ghostbusters standing on New York

City Street with the turtles coming up out of

the sewer. I love this. I thought this was the

coolest one I had seen when this was first solicited.

I was like, hey, that's kind of cool. It's you

know there because it makes it it makes them

look it makes the Ghostbusters look like they

are hunting the turtles Like they would hunt

a ghost and those those turtles anytime you put

the green around their eyeballs Behind the masks.

I think they start to look creepy Especially

Donnie's bottom gums down there. They look a

little kind of a mutant instead of a mutant turtle

that we love And each one of those ghosts, except

for Egon who wears glasses, they all look pupil

-less. So they look weird to me. I don't know

what that is. Yeah. There was a retailer incentive

cover, which is pretty much Eastman. That's really

cool. It is really cool. It is them. It's both

teams, Turtles and Ghostbusters, but they are...

Basically like both trying to sneak around a

corner They're basically on on a street corner

one team is on one side of the building The other

team is on the other side of the building and

they're about to meet and surprise each other,

you know I just realized that that is an homage

to the Raphael cover of That's the one shot from

old my where their backs are to the opposite

brick walls. I I think this is Wherever that

original art is in 25 years from now, it's going

to sell for lots of money. When you get the creator

of one property drawing the characters from another

and it got published, that's a very, very unique

image. That doesn't happen a lot. These characters

don't come together in print by the creator of

one of them. I think that's way cool. You get

that signed by Dan Aykroyd. Oh, yeah. And Eastman.

Oh my golly, that'd be way cool. That would be

amazing. The next one is a retail exclusive.

Now, I'm not sure. Oh, it's OK. It's the Hastings

cover. This is a retail exclusive for Hastings.

It is pretty much all monotone for the most part,

except for, obviously, the letters for the both

team names and all that. I like this one. It's

got some nice lines on it. It's got some interesting

drawings on it as far as the characters go. I'd

say this one looks most like the movie team than

any of the other ones as far as the overall design

goes. What's Hastings? I'm not sure what that

is. It's a store somewhere. It's probably some...

Like Kohl's or something like that. I assume

I could be wrong here Yeah, it's it's a media

store looks like Games books music movies kind

of like an FYE I guess all right something like

that Like I said, I like that cover. I think

it's interesting. It's not my favorite though.

My favorite would have to be the next one. Yeah,

the Slimer doesn't get exactly enough attention

in the comic series, and I understand why. He's

kind of the icon from the animated series that

maybe or maybe not was a little too silly. He

was the celebrity of that show, but Slimer's

wearing a red Raphael Ninja Turtle mask. He's

apparently slimed both teams. uh... and and michael

angelo is is tasting the slime uh... you know

what you need come on there's only oh it is the

four of them i didn't see that but you know i

i i absolutely love the slimer cover that's that's

just awesome uh... okay we got to uh... yet Geez

three more. Holy crap. There were 70 things.

Next one is another retailer exclusive. It's

An all -out war it looks like this was for awesome

con this this cover was here I like the other

ones better This one just looks too weird It's

a little cacophonous, you know that actually

that looks like four kids Michelangelo, the 4KidsTV

version. Yep. At least the eyebrows. The eyebrows

and eyes do, I think. Yeah, a little bit. That

guy's got a good style, but I don't know if it...

Well, no, they're good turtles and they're good

Ghostbusters, but I think that guy's style, whoever

he is, would probably be better suited to a different

property. Second to last one is the Hot Topic

cover and this one is awesome because you have

the Ecto -1 and the Turtle Van on one cover.

Or that thing that will probably eventually become

the Turtle Van. I love that. I think that might

be an homage to issue number three of the original

Ninja Turtles comic, the one with the car chase

in it. I wish I was closer to that. It's across

the room. I can't go check, but wait a minute.

I have the internet in front of me. The last

one was for vacomics .com. It's a black and white

wraparound of the four turtles. That's beautiful.

That is absolutely beautiful because it hollows

out. It doesn't hollow out, but it basically...

Puts them all in black and white and basically

keeps the colors of the mass so purple red blue

and orange that one is great Absolutely, so issue

number one We get a lot of a Lot of background

this first issue actually you have to carry me

on this because I don't have this issue in front

of me Oh, yeah, that's right Okay, so pretty

much I'm actually going to read this from the

book, folks. It's the opening crawl here. Well,

we'll get the creatives out of the way first.

Written by Eric Burnham and Tom Waltz. Art by

Charles Paul Wilson III, pages 1 to 5. Corey

Smith, 6 to 9. And Dan Schoening, pages 10 to

22. Colors by Louis Antonio Delgado and Rhonda

Pattison. Letters by Neil Uitek. And edits, obviously,

by Bobby Kernow. it was the best of times it

was the worst of times that's right this is a

tale of two cities but the twist is they're both

new york separated by a dimensional wall on one

side of the dimensional gulf is the new york

inhabited by the teenage ninja turtles a city

full of ninjas mutants and science and sorcery

that spans centuries on the other the new york

of the ghostbusters where science tracks the

supernatural and Removal of unwanted phantoms

and poltergeists is a blue -collar job rife with

city contracts and bureaucracy. The pizza's pretty

good in both universes. And this opening here...

This is one of the things that IDW goes out of

their way to do. For someone who like me has

never read the Ghostbusters thing the Ghostbusters

series from IDW even though I know who the good

I know the characters of it like I know they're

gonna have Janine I know they're gonna have Slimer.

I know they're gonna have the four guys I know

they're gonna have Ecto -1 You know I know all

of the general things that everyone knows about

the 31 year history of the Ghostbusters since

the first film but in the context of the IDW

universe what I love is You know They give descriptions

for the characters, you know, you get a description

for Peter Winston Egon Yeah, that's an array

for the people who maybe aren't reading the other

comic to know right? Right and vice versa with

the turtles you have a description for Kitsune

Michelangelo crying Leo April Donnie Casey Harold

and Raph You know and this one opens up Thousands

of years ago powerful immortals rule the world

and they mysteriously disappeared But really

what does never Let's see never to return again,

but really what does never mean to an immortal

and we see on this bottom panel of the first

page Kitsune Rat King and some other dude Which

apparently as we find out is their their other

brother You know, so we go through this we we

see, you know Japan during the Muromachi period

And they kind of revisit the whole shredder crank

thing here, I love the art in this book I really,

really do. Something I didn't notice the first

time, and I'd want to go back and check the first

issue, too. When they're in the Turtles universe,

the artist is the artist who's currently on the

Ninja Turtle book. And as they're kind of zooming

in over on the Ghostbusters and the Racking stuff,

it's changing from... The Ghostbusters artist.

So when the Ninja Turtles go to the Ghostbusters

world, the Ghostbusters... Turtles are drawn

by the Ghostbuster artist and I wonder if this

Foot Clan stuff was drawn by the original Foot

Clan guy. I'm kind of curious. No, I didn't.

I don't know what pages they were reading referring

to. Yeah, I'm not sure. But like I said, I mean,

the art here is is just. Amazing. I don't think

it is the original art though the original TMNT

artist because the fall of the foot clan guy

maybe Was on fall of the foot clan. I don't even

remember now You talk I'll look it up His secret

history foot clans what it was called that's

right. Yeah. Yeah I'm trying to think here. What

was that? But I don't think this is the, I don't

think this is the original artist because we

have a completely different look for crying on

the page here. I could be wrong though. Yeah,

it was Santolucco on that run, so no, that wasn't

it. Ah, yeah, no, no, no. This is not Santola.

I think this is, for the most part, Schoening

and Delgado, and it's got, let's see, the art

lists, Charles Paul Wilson III, Corey Smith and

Dan Schoening, so. I assume it's Charles Paul

Wilson III on the first five pages in this Krang

thing here. So that's Charles Paul Wilson III.

I can't think off the top of my head what else

he has done. So we visit Japan here. We kind

of re -envision the whole Kitsune meaning Krang

thing, which looks really, really awesome. I

mean, I've never seen this scene look this damn

good. Not that it didn't look good originally,

but the different take on it is amazing. After

that scene, we get to a few hundred years later,

and the turtles, Raph, or the turtles, Casey,

April, and Harold, are about to go on a dimensional

journey. And oh Yeah, they're testing the teleporter

before they go to yeah What's it burnout island

yeah, yeah, yeah, they're trying to get to burnout

island. I almost called it East Eastman is like

East Island Lairdman warehouse Lairdman Island

that yeah We did that episode to most to recently

Check out the East warehouse on Lairdman Island.

Yeah So they're trying to test the portal and

something goes wrong and As the boys and The

boys in Casey says Surprise master splinter we

error recalculating error. Oh And apparently

splinter heard them because he said is someone

there perhaps the television has been left on

again I just love the comedy here with Are they

there? Are they not there? Does Splinter know?

Does he not know? This series kind of makes him

more of an old man than what he really is. They

give him a little bit of crotchiness. We then

jump into the Ghostbusters and they are fighting

a ghost. He looks like Slimer's cousin with a

third eye. That's really what this purple ghost

looks like. Once again absolutely love the art

here The art is just so fantastic If you're if

we're talking ghostbusters, that's probably showing

now as oh, yeah, absolutely Absolutely Pause

the Alright folks, so we got the The one -eyed

monster that the Ghostbusters were fighting on

the previous page was actually one of the toys

you would Squeeze it and his little eyeball would

shoot out and with this red thread and you can

stick it back in his body So that's they do that

a lot in the Ghostbusters comic they they reference

the old toys You'll see them running around in

the background as real ghosts So so this is their

homage to that particular toy. I had that when

I was a wee lad he was quite cool he's still

in this he still looks like the purple cousin

with a third eye of Slimer I mean really so this

battle is going on and again the art oh god it's

so good and as as quickly as those books are

released that guy I mean they look everything

looks so tight, but he must be able to draw so

fast every Wrinkle in their clothes is exactly

how it should be Shoning is definitely one of

my favorite artists working now and when Ghostbusters

actually ends I'll be heartbroken, but I'll have

to follow him where he goes. I like his style

Yeah, and it wouldn't fit most books. I mean

you couldn't know you couldn't put him on the

Avengers You couldn't put him on Batman. It just

would not work but for Ghostbusters I it absolutely

works with the humor. Oh It really really does

and it works with turtles, too I Really appreciate

the stuff. Yeah, I the only thing I don't cuz

I have not been reading the the turtles or the

What am I saying? Of course I've been reading

The Turtles. I've been doing it for a year now.

I haven't been reading the Ghostbusters stuff.

I will say, when I was reading this, I cannot

hear Murray or Ernie Hudson. I can't hear any

of the actors' voices in my head when they're

talking here. It's the designs on them in this,

and I get it. They can't get direct... Likeness

is because let's face it Bill Murray would ask

for you know God knows what to have his likeness

put in it be put in it in a comic book Yeah,

that's why the cartoon designs had to change

because the people animating the cartoon didn't

have likeness rights that that didn't get secured

when the Ghostbusters property got secured But

it does help It does help starting the ghostbusters

book from the beginning because they There it

is done with so much love and especially those

first few issues where they're really establishing

it You know that that scene with the where peter's

possessed and he's in his own head sitting in

a psychiatry office and the ghost is trying to

rib him and he's there dropping his degrees saying

look I do this for a living you're totally not

going to be able to get their eyes out of me

and he's using all of his you know his phrases

and his dialogue it was it's brilliant uh and

and that's where you you get to know that yes

you can hear well and you're not even hearing

Bill Murray you're hearing Venkman And you're

hearing Egon say these things. You forget the

actors and hear the characters. Well, yeah, but

I mean, for me, for the most part, it's Murray

and Ramus and Ackroyd's voices as the characters.

Obviously, I would hear the characters, but obviously

it's their voices. And I just, like, this version

of Winston, I cannot hear Ernie Hudson voicing.

Like, it just... He's the least, like... He looks

too street in this. He really does. He looks

like he could, you know, if gone down the wrong

path, he could have become a gangster rapper

or something. I really like how they've fleshed

out Winston in this, and they go into this in

issue four of this. We'll all talk about it when

we get to four on it, but I like the way that

they've flushed him out in that world. so the

Ghostbusters are traveling in in the ecto -1

and Egon's assistant or Ray's assistant calls

them and and You know tells them about all this

stuff Janine is there dealing with it and You

know Between the two women, I mean what did they

do just change the hair color because the designs

look this look at that look at her lip The mouths

on a lot of his characters look like that. They're

kind of like Flintstone mouths. They come out

But they're bad that happens I can't remember

if, Kylie, I can't remember her name now. It's

a K name. It's Kylie. Kylie. I can't remember

if she was in the background of one of the movies

if she was working at Ray's Occult Books, but

that's where they found her to be in this series.

She probably was. She might have been in the

cartoon series or something. Oh, maybe. She was

in one of them. I do remember her briefly. Oh,

man, look at the ecto one. With the streaking

headlights. Just so badass. Channel 6 news van

is From the turtles cartoon. Uh -huh. I just

So the the turtles arrive and It's they arrived

to a full house in the church because at this

point folks in our coverage we are way past the

point of them going to like be like they haven't

been back to the church in a long time as far

as like in their universe their their their their

church i mean we see it but we don't ever see

the exterior like we obviously see them in their

lair which is beneath the church in the turtles

book but we haven't seen the outside of of the

church in a long time so this is kind of it's

kind of freaky hey uh this isn't our home uh

and somehow this dimensional shift i think uh

is getting um oh man i i love i love all these

churchgoers What's this? Turtle costumes? No

one told me there would be a performance. Lucy

always was a little weird. Figured she'd go non

-traditional. Say, it's getting cold in here.

And then this entity somehow, I don't know if

it's because of the dimensional travel or what

the deal is, shows up. So the villain for this

series ends up being Qi Yu, this Chinese... from

folklore demon, but in the Turtles universe,

Chiyu is tied to, in the IEW series, tied to

Kitsune and the Rat King. He is their third sibling,

and who knows, maybe there are more of them.

And as he's brought into the Ghostbusters world

through that dimensional portal, that supernatural

energy just goes nuts for him, because in the

Ghostbusters world, that's real. That looks like

Irma. Yeah, it really does. It really does. So

we meet Chi - is it Chi -yu or Chi -yu? I think

it's Chi -yu. Chi -yu? Yeah. And other than the

page earlier where we see him next to Kitsune

and Rat King, we really don't get a whole lot

of - like that was his background. He's their

sibling. That's it. Everything else the rest

of this series We get no real background other

than what his actual plan is and his plan is

to take over the world Yeah, he ended up being

a Kind of empty villain and I'm sorry to see

that they took the threat away from him returning

to the turtles universe immediately I mean that

he made there's still I don't well, we'll get

to that too I don't want to give too much away

too soon, but just not sure like I'm hoping and

I'm sure I know Tom and Kevin and Bobby have

a plan but right now we're in the middle of attack

on technodrome so I know it's not gonna happen

anytime soon but I am hoping that we get current

-day you know you know storytelling for Kitsune,

Rat King, and Chayu Because this just makes him...

It just makes him less than one -dimensional.

It's your standard overpowered villain that wants

to take over the world, and he doesn't know why

he wants to take over the world, or some, you

know... Some weird thing happened to him as a

child, like maybe someone took away his Chu Chu

or something, and drove him to world domination.

So we get the turtles and and The turtles April

and Casey Casey says why did we not do the ninja

thing and disappear out of here already? That's

that's uh, that's pretty awesome Casey um And

you know rat you know how Raph is Raph is just

ready You know they even reference for for readers

that haven't been reading the turtles They even

reference that Mikey can't figure out what the

guy is saying since it's not Japanese That's

awesome. Uh -huh and and rashes radio for the

love of how about we take care of this guy instead

of standing around debating and Again the art

in this book is so well done Look at that blood

red. Oh, man. That panel is so awesome That is

just so cool. I gotta go buy some of this dude's

art. I gotta find out if I can buy some It is

just really cool So shy you wants to escape He

does escape Pretty much gives the turtles a shellacking.

They'll never forget because they can't Nothing

they do will hurt him The Ghostbusters would

say he's a free -floating vapor. Yeah, pretty

much And he ensnares Casey and Oh, wow, Shoning

actually makes April's short hair look cool Damn

it. They need to make her Anyway, hold on there

topic for another day So he Casey gets zombified

essentially And he becomes one of Shoning or

not not showing Wow Chayu's Disciples or minions

all they were all yes. Yes. That's what it was

I just love that picture of Casey when he stands

up his his hockey mask is just somehow just there

on his on the sheath of his Of his hockey stuff.

That's kind of awesome We go on to ice as Casey

Chai you says now I know that you turtles you

mutants aren't responsible for my imprisonment,

but I also know you would try to Stop me from

taking my rightful place as ruler of this world

Wish this was something that the art is great

the once we get to you know The turtles meeting

the Ghostbuster all of that the writing is excellent,

but I really wish the overall villain plot was

something better Agreed and in it and it goes

it feels that way all the way to the end too

mm -hmm it gets Slowly more lackluster as we

go along folks when it comes to the villain plot

And we get to the final thing here, and the Ghostbusters

show up. It's like, and then kick the door down.

Somebody call an exterminator? Who's him? Whoa.

Good. We don't need another lawsuit. It's all

right, Mr. Spooky. You can lock the doors. You

can lock the walls. But the Ghostbusters are

here. and apparently so are some kind of kung

fu martians god sometimes i hate this job um

issue one absolutely awesome i i like the introduction

of everything in this i'm just not sure like

i said the overall plot here folks for the villain

it's It doesn't tie enough into the Rat King's

motives or Kitsune's motives. It's so different

from what they're trying to do that he doesn't

feel completely a part of that. He doesn't feel

attached to his home universe. It doesn't matter

which universe he's ruling. He just wants to

rule one of them for some reason that we haven't

figured out. Yeah, it's just crazy. It's just

really is crazy. What are your overall thoughts

of issue one here when I as I was reading it

I didn't realize how lackluster the villain plot

was And and I in hindsight, you know watching

watching it a second time here and thinking about

it and finishing the series I think it was a

missed opportunity to bring his villainy into

The turtles universe see I drop the drop the

seed for the arc after the next arc Right in

that book or or to connect them to yeah wrecking

kitsune, but generally speaking I don't get crossovers.

I don't like them. I mean, I got the X -Files

one and I got the the Infestation one where Cthulhu

showed up in all the different books universes

and You know, I have them because I'm gonna get

every book that has a turtle in it But this one

is actually kind of okay. I'm digging this one

a little more than those You know, if anything

just to see my favorite characters interact Well,

yeah, that's kind of the whole point here is

to see the Turtles and the Ghostbusters how they

interact with each other issue number two I actually

have this one. Yeah, well you can still stick

with your guided view It has one two three four

five six six covers with this one The main cover

is the Turtles and the Ghostbusters fighting

the shadow of Chayu Which is the main cover issue?

I like it. It's not my favorite it. I don't know

it's alright but We also have a the sub cover

which I understand why they did this because

the convention was probably coming up But making

subscription covers blank variants for someone

like me that doesn't go to conventions at all.

I Think that's just a little cheap Tell you what

send it to me and I'll draw a picture on it I

can make it awesome. I'm sure you could. I didn't

get the subscription covered this time. I like

this next one because it's a black and white

pen, but it's on the comic book board. You can

still see the blue line behind it. And it reminds

you that it's original artwork and I like when

that kind of behind the scenes stuff happens.

Absolutely, this is a retail incentive. It's

a, as Joe said, black and white on the comic

page. It's the turtles and the Ghostbusters riding

in Ecto -1, and I believe it's Mikey up top.

Of course, it would be Mikey up top. We have

a 550. Okay. We have a hot topic retail incentive

where Mikey looks like he's falling down the

rabbit hole and Slimer is coming up after him.

That's kind of awesome. He's skateboarding the

oh Yeah, okay. Yeah That is kind of awesome.

I like that one too. I wish they had done four

of these though for for Hastings they did a Raff

cover with Raff holding the ghost trap like he's

gonna throw it. That's another when when those

things cross over like that. I think that's so

cool I wish there was four of these covers right

now for all four turtles cuz that would have

been so cool. You know, okay I got here's okay

my new project I gotta I gotta find an extra

Ninja Turtle action figure and I'm going to sculpt

him wearing one of the Ghostbusters proton packs

I'm gonna make I'm gonna make the whole pro I

got do I have I need it okay I gotta go get a

new Ninja Turtle figure Oh, just wait, because

you'll see when we get to issue three. You'll

see when we get to issue three. Just wait, just

wait. I kind of just showed you right there,

but just wait. But no, I love this one. This

is a retail incentive for Hastings with Raff

having the ghost trap over his head. um we have

the next uh comic exposure retail incentive or

retail exclusive i should say with the four turtles

and ghostbusters mashed up and oh wow no it's

a little more than that you have donnie You have

Donnie and Egon switching roles. Donnie's got

the goggles on and Egon has Donnie's bandana

on. Rap's got a proton pack, Leo's got a trap,

Winston has the katanas. Yep. I can't tell what

Mikey's doing. He's got a PKE meter, but I don't

know what's his other hand. He's got a PKE meter

and probably some tests. It's a pizza menu. Oh

yeah, it's a pizza menu. That's awesome. uh...

that's one of my favorite so we have uh... we

have issued to here uh... and uh... issued to

i still tried to go in with this on the uh...

with with an open mind but uh... it's still didn't

really resonate with me uh... once again i will

read the story here in the beginning For creative

we have Burnham and Walts on writing, Dan Shoning

as an art for all the entire comic. Colors by

Delgado for the entire comic. It was the best

of times, it was the worst of times. That's right,

this is a tale of two cities, but the twist is

they're both New York separated by a dimensional

wall. On one side we have... The turtles on the

other side, we have the Ghostbusters. The pizza's

pretty good in both universes. Our story so far,

due to an accident with their prototype teleporter,

the TMNT have been zapped to the world of the

Ghostbusters to make things worse, so has a shape

-shifting immortal known as Chaiu. Chaiu has

just used his newfound abilities to possess Casey

Jones, along with a handful of wedding guests

things look dire when the ghostbusters arrive

on the scene um i just and then i hear the ghostbusters

theme song absolutely absolutely um wait what

is that I gotta go to see who's there. I can't

tell if that was Bill. That has to be Peter saying,

okay, boys, we got a floater in the pool, because

you know what that reminds me of, don't you?

Say it. Caddyshack. I haven't seen that since

I was like four years old and didn't get the

jokes. How do you not remember the baby Ruth

in the pool from Caddyshack? All I remember is

the gopher. Go for his awesome, but yeah Yeah,

it was Peter that said that so the Ghostbusters

are letting shy you have it and You know he's

having his thralls tell him what sorcery this

is and They all say Ghostbusters Ghostbusters

Ghostbusters Wait, did Beetlejuice show up? Where's

Michael Keaton? What's going on here? I just

heard an interview with Michael Keaton on NPR

today. Whoa. That's weird. I know, right? Michael

Keaton on NPR, really? I love hearing what he

had to say. The dude takes his craft seriously

and he's a fun guy. Oh, absolutely. And the funniest

thing about this panel here where the three wedding

guests are saying Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters,

Ghostbusters, and then there's the trap. They

have the Ghostbusters emblem beside them. And

I'm like, wait, what, really? They're channeling

those images to cheat you because they're kind

of completing the picture. Like, those traps

will suck you in. The Ghostbusters symbol is

kind of... They may not be answering with words

as much as they're answering with their thoughts.

So I think that's what that is conveying. Yeah,

they could capture me. No, no, retreat my minions.

Once again, Art is absolutely fantastic. He's

rabbiting. So is the crowd, and I've never seen

an old lady move like that before. Yeah, I could

probably hear Ernie say that, yeah. Now you see

why I love that because you hear those lines

you like oh my god, I gotta I gotta hear that

You know and rafts trying to stop Casey from

going with them Strange that the manifestation

left these anthropomorphic turtle constructs

behind They're not constructs And of course Winston's

like, oh, yeah as strange as the fact that they're

all wearing masks The shots of them in the church

doing their thing the turtles doing that Donnie

looks like he's just laying down. I know it's

a shot of him You know sliding thing Yeah, but

it looks like he's just laying down and I really

wish that they would have put the letters on

on the circle emblems I really do doesn't like

bother me i'm not gonna take a point off of it

for it but i just it just seems like there's

something missing now that you pointed out that

they have them um see that's that's my problem

right here folks i can't tell uh uh okay i I

guess I can kind of tell now that I read it,

but like when I first read this and I saw this

panel, I couldn't tell which one was Ray and

which one was Peter, because again, if you look

at them, I'm okay sure Ray has a slightly different

haircut, but the noses and the mouths and all

that, they're basically the same. See, I look

for the goggles on Ray's head and the high, what

do they call those, the receding hairline on

Bankman. Yep, that's true. Those are my signifiers

and of course glasses for glasses in the cartoon

series pompadour Absolutely And I do like that

Peter asks Egon if they're demons because that

obviously references to the old Japanese days,

you know So as we go through this Attention all

turtle people we're ceasing fire now And April

is just mad as hell She looks like an old lady

there. Yeah, they aged his style ages her she

looks 30 now not She's probably 20 something

in the book, but yeah, but I mean the way showing

stylish she looks like she's 40. Yeah So, we

basically have them meeting between the two of

them, and we have her versus Peter. And anybody,

please tell me this doesn't remind you of something.

It's like, what if Peter Venkman and April O

'Neil were in a relationship? It's Sigourney

Weaver all over again, folks. Why is it always

the redheads who yell? And Ray's like, wait,

did you say Chiyu? That name sounds familiar.

He was a war god, right? Led the nine Li tribe

and fought the Battle of Zulu against Emperor...

Whatever. Wonder why I brought him to New York.

I just love this. That's kind of an interesting

thought. If Ray knows who Chiyu is, then they

must have... There must be a Chi -Yu here in

this world. Just like, well, and because this

is the one from the turtles universe that popped

over. Right. But I wonder if that also means

that there's a Kitsune and Rat King in this world.

Ooh! Since they're officially canon with each

other in this comic now. I don't know. They'll

never answer that question. It's for us to do.

Yeah. So Donnie's geeking out. on them and Raf's

like stop drooling these guys were shooting lasers

at us like three seconds ago and as we go along

we have and I still can't believe they're in

the church it just I'll say this about Shoning's

art now that I see a fully like stand -up turtle

here of his I'm not so sure I like the overall

design. They look great in action and they look

great on close -ups, but I don't know. The legs

seem, it's kind of like buying an action figure

and he's too back heavy. Yeah. His legs can't

support him. And then you have the Ghostbusters.

And we'll give you the talking animal discount.

Talking animal discount, oh my god, that's hilarious.

uh... of course raise like we have to do a system

is a real learning opportunity so basically what

happens here folks is the they decide to uh...

team up and they tell them about their dimensional

portal and raise like this is genius And they

haven't even introduced themselves yet, because

Mikey even points it out. He's like, totally,

hey, am I the only one who's weirded out we haven't

introduced ourselves yet? So, oh, that's right.

So April introduces herself, and then we have

a sound -off by the four turtles. Man, hold on,

let me see if I can do this properly. Oh, kidding!

You've got to be kidding me. There's no way.

Come on. Oh, God. I was hoping, because on Comixology's

Guided View, sometimes it opens up to where you

can see all four at once. Like, you see Leo and

Mikey, and then you see Donnie and Raph. Man,

that bites that it's not just one panel, but...

You know and raise or Peter's like color -coded

huh or the Ghostbusters that's a lot of cellies

in Raleigh Dude really This is why I've decided

to buy the book. It's for the banter like this.

I think that absolutely is the greatest thing

about this book So they all, uh, they all introduce

themselves, and we basically have... If Casey

was here, we'd have ten heroes. Um... You know,

and who is it, uh... Is it... Crap. Oh, it's

Peter. Hang on, Egon. We're not all gonna fit

in the car. This is your car. Leo, can we get

one, please? Oh man, it's so hilarious. I absolutely

love this, folks. So we get back to Chai Yu and

he is talking with his thralls and he's enthralling

more people as we go along. I like the drawings

on these people, but they just look too zombified

to me. I understand that's the point of this.

He's controlling them. but it's I don't know

they just look two zombies and he lets them go

for for now he's here run look at them Casey

Jones do you see coward cowards unworthy I desire

warriors to gift with my power so basically he's

taking over Casey's mind And Casey at first tries

to fight him the best he can Which is interesting

and Casey's just been through way too much Like

Casey is this series whipping boy? Yeah between

his dad and all of that and Now this it just

So we get back to the right no no no Venkman

uses that piece of equipment that he's got in

his hands Donatello's got the the squeeze ball

Sniffer probe that Peter took to Dana's apartment

when? In the first movie yeah, that's cool. Yeah

So they yeah, so they get back to my house Donnie's

hooked up to this thing and Egon is basically

Okay, so that is the he's wearing the the Louis

Tully Spaghetti strainer helmet with the wires

Don's wearing that and e guns in the back looking

out the picture Which was kind of that that heat

vision version of it that that graphic that they

have there Looks like one of the original action

figures put into negative. It's a Little knob

there. I think that that looks like a bitmap

cut and pasted in Oh absolutely and Mikey oh

poor Slimer yeah this rules is like is this like

a lava lamp be careful and hear more nods from

yeah not only the movie Ghostbusters but Slimers

in a tank like that in the video game In the

comic they make reference to the the ps3 xbox

360 video game They reference the rookie who's

the character that you play as that they refuse

to name because when he died They didn't want

to feel bad for him, so they called him the rookie

And and slimers in the tank in the main level

of the firehouse just like that so that nods

everywhere and and we've talked about this and

it's continuing here IDW takes your childhood

properties and swaddles them in a silk blanket

and and coos to them and then says these are

these are your babies too and they're just like

you remember and So they're doing it with Ghostbusters.

They do it with Ghostbusters with the turtles

and here they are all mashed together. It's a

big love letter. Oh, absolutely Yikes I'll be

fine, dude. Does he have kidneys? I think I saw

his kidneys So as we move along here we have

Egon and Ray and Peter and all them You know

So we have all that And we have Peter mouthing

off to Raph. Your friend sounds like he's struggling

with some things. He ain't my friend. He's my

brother. You better tell him to watch his step.

He goes down this rabbit hole with Egon. He might

wind up getting talked into. Trepanation. Trepanation.

Off to Dictionary .com. Yeah, a little boring,

actually. Let's take another... Hack in your

explanation for the entity you saw tonight. Okay.

Boring a hole in one's skull. Primitive brain

surgery. Oh, Jesus. I could see Peter doing that,

but not Egon. Oh, no, Egon would do it to somebody

else. Well, Peter would do it to somebody else

that he... because Peter doesn't know how to

do it. But, uh, but yeah. So... What I like about

this thing, it's really cool with this, is you

have Raph and Peter, Donnie and Egon, and then

Ray and Mikey, and then you have Winston and

Leo. This is part of them fleshing out Winston.

I think as much as I love Winston, And I really

associate him as a full -blown member of the

Ghostbusters. When I was a kid, it was the four

of them. And you go back and watch the movie

with adult sensibilities, you realize that Winston's

not in it until late. And he's only kind of a

bit character in it, really. He has a couple

of lines, but he's not one of the Ghostbusters.

But this series, the comic series, has taken

Winston and fleshed him out and made him a more

full character and a lovable character. He's...

in this world, you know, because it's not canon

with the movies as much as we'd like it to be.

He's an ex -marine or soldier of some variety

and so he's very big on honor and so the the

fact that they created him to be that in the

comic, and then pair him up with Leo like that,

who's also the big honor guy, it's perfect. Oh

no, it absolutely is perfect. It fits out really

well, and it wouldn't have fit. You put Leonardo

with Ernie Hudson's character, they wouldn't

have had that relationship because he wasn't

complete, but here it works beautifully, and

Winston's just a great character in this series

especially. Yeah, he is so we so we have all

the meetings done we have the turtles meeting

the Ghostbusters or anything else we have April

we have Janine now and April April and Janine

and it's just Janine. It's more Janine and Peter

because Peter's off panel here, but And I know

folks some people that listen the podcast don't

like me reading the comic word -for -word But

I have to bring this up as we're talking about

this she says here April have a coffee, sweetie

Trust me. You're gonna need the caffeine. Hey,

you never bring me coffee. I like her more than

you Peter So they have a nice little chat and

Kylie comes in with a bunch of books and she

reminds me of a really real like if I hate to

say this but her design reminds me of if Lydia

was a yeah she reminds me of Lydia from Beetlejuice

if Lydia was a real real bookworm she doesn't

look like wine on a rider but she just her design

it just It's the bangs and the white skin, the

I haven't seen sun in 10 years skin. Yeah. Absolutely.

Wait, how is he out? Oh, wait a minute. No, no,

no. Hold on a second. I thought we were... We

were back upstairs. Yeah, we're upstairs in the

firehouse and then all of a sudden we go back

downstairs But Kylie was I'm lost here people.

Maybe they have Slimer upstairs here Yeah, because

there's not a window on the ground floor. So

I guess he is on the second floor He's next to

the ecto one in the video game, but I'll forgive

them If only Mikey was standing there instead

of Donnie, that would have been awesome. Because

that is something my... In the next panel, folks,

Slimer is basically raspberrying Ray. Yep, so

they go downstairs. And we then go to Midtown.

Eastern Conference quarterfinals, New York versus

Montreal. Oh hockey. Okay And if Casey I Was

really hoping Casey was gonna show up here. This

would have been so cool to see Casey on the ice

So basically what's going on here folks is Chay

you has basically destroyed the hockey game we're

not gonna have a hockey championship this year

there's no strike but a demon basically came

in and destroyed everything folks uh... uh...

so charlie was building his army and these designs

are just amazing back like all the backgrounds

here the smoke coming up for like look at those

monsters and he's more than enthralled these

two hockey teams i and i that was definitely

input from casey's experience you want the toughest

guys in the world hockey hockey absolutely um

and casey asks him why didn't you do that to

me You are an incentive. I want your mutant friends

to share with me the secret of traveling to other

worlds Why should I have to lock my mind with

link my mind with a lower life form when I can

just as easily forget force their allegiance

by Threatening your life ah So we finally get

back to the basement and We see the containment

unit. Love that design of the containment unit.

That's from the cartoon. Yep. The one from the

movie is a little understated for me, but I do.

I like that. Yeah, the one from the movie is

kind of barely there, really. For the most part.

So everybody's coming downstairs now. They get

told that, let's see, what does Jenine say? Someone

called about a ghost with a bull's head attacking

the hockey playoffs in Midtown before the call

was cut. That dude had Ghostbusters on speed

dial. Do you think in New York it's one of the

emergency presets in your cell phone? 911, ambulance,

and the... The cell phones come with I'm okay.

I know you can preset like Like what you're talking

about is I remember actual phones coming with

like the the button phones coming with the preset

buttons, but I don't know if My cell phones upstairs,

but I think when I go to my phone book on my

cell phone The first three numbers are three

emergency numbers I like I get I can I don't

know what there's an icon of a fire up a blue

cross and a the Red Cross and then 9 -1 -1. Right,

yeah. So, and of course, Raph states the obvious,

obviously. Hockey playoffs, it's gotta be Casey,

bro. You know, so, they're all gonna go help

their friend, mechanically inclined or not. So,

let's see what... Believe that the energy signature

is the key to returning to you your proper dimension

if Degradates too far you'll rise You'll risk

in being lost forever And basically they have

about 72 hours or less And I think that's Ray

Okay, how long did it take you to build the transfer

the first time it took weeks, and I had a lot

of help Hey! It's Stay Puft! That's awesome.

Well, in that case, Ray, what are you doing?

We gotta go, man. Getting my spare. Oh, man.

That's just... You know, like you said, working

in all this stuff is just so cool. If Donnie

here wants to help, we'll let him help, and I've

got just the thing. Dude, can I? Absolutely not.

And we have Donnie with a proton pack on, and

that's how this issue ends. I like this issue

more than I like the first issue because of the

fact that you have... So much of the banter.

you have so much of the banter you have um...

you have so much of the banter and then you have

all of the setup of them going to stop chayu

um... you have a little bit of chayu starting

his army but you basically it's basically the

introductory introductory issue whereas the first

issue was hey here are these universes this is

what's going on this dude broke out of whatever

jail he was in And Bing Bam Boom, there you go.

But issue number two is so much better than issue

number one. I can see that. I agree. We're going

to take a quick break, folks. We're going to

come back with issues three and four after this.

Alright folks, we are back and it is time for

issues three and four of TMNT Ghostbusters. Issue

number three's cover is Chayou and Thrilling

Casey with everybody else looking on. With mild

concern. And then we have the most awesome cover

ever, and this actually ties into what actually

happened in the last issue. In issue two at the

end, Mikey says, oh dude, can I? Absolutely not.

And then the cover, one of the, it's the sub

cover for issue three is Mikey wearing a proton

pack. I am going to buy a Michelangelo action

figure tomorrow. To start building that I'm gonna

probably use the Nickelodeon series, I think

Absolutely love that one and then the The hot

topic cover is the Ghostbusters and the turtles

fighting people coming out of the ground the

Hastings cover. Oh man. I love this. It's it's

It's a color version of what we had in issue

two Yeah, you're right. It's but as much as we

enjoyed the drawn version of the turtles Riding

atop the ecto one. I like this color version

even more. You know what I think happened? The

artist had a due date and he missed it 22 days

guys, okay could have been so issue three here

folks we have we start this one off with the

story so far the TMNT are in the Ghostbusters

New York with limited time to find their way

back to their own dimension. If that wasn't bad

enough, Casey Jones has become enthralled by

a demonic being named Chai Yu. Luckily the Ghostbusters

stand ready to help. The P .K .A. meters are

charged and the hunt is on for Casey and the

entity that has him. Dum dum dum. Um, absolutely.

Once again, the art in this series is amazing.

Really really is We open up with the turtles

and the Ghostbusters heading out to find Casey

and shy you We let's see we get to actually get

there and and Donnie of This sounds like a Mikey

line, but Donnie of all people all right shy

you put up your hands or your mutants have found

us casey jones my thralls so do them and we have

a lot of battle between the ghostbusters the

turtles and the thralls and shayu yeah this is

pretty much the battle issue folks there is some

witty banter here but uh... you know It's the

action looks great It really does What do you

think of of this opening here of them just immediately

getting to the battle? After the end of the first

after the end of the second issue it's to be

expected kind of the predictable encounter or

rather the force I don't want to say predictable,

but you the inevitable encounter where we're

gonna see the crossover battles Donnie with the

proton pack and their experiences that way but

Yeah, I mean that I guess that's one of the gripes

is that the actions is is forgettable the banter

is why you stay though And you know so we get

the end of this battle here where where Mr. Taurus

Bulba is a I'm sorry, I had to throw in a bad

Darkwing Duck joke, folks. Man, I haven't seen

that in a long time. I bought a season on DVD

for Oliver when he's older, but I'll get that

reference in about a year or two. And, you know,

Casey's apologizing to Winston. And Chayou and

Casey, you know, basically escape. He says this

is the second time you You have caught me unaware

mortals there will not be a third when next you

will see me you will record it Why do they always

say that? Is there a class? So later we get to

the firehouse again, and we have Kylie telling

them You know about different things that were

going on during the battle We have a bunch of

Explanation here. This is pretty much the explanation

issue as well as battle issue So It's good, but

it's slowly going downhill yeah, they're there

work in their theories about what kind of new

tech they can invent to build it. And of course,

Donatello is going to get in on helping. The

interesting bit here, just from a writing standpoint,

Kailey is referencing something that happened

earlier in the Ghostbusters comic at issue 18

that basically says, yeah, this is in continuity.

The turtles were actually here in New York. And

in fact, I think in one of the turtles issues

we just read they referenced Yeah, when we were

hanging out with those Ghostbuster guys and so

if they are definitely in continuity with each

other. Oh, absolutely But that that so that gets

dropped in here and then oh they're techno battle

continues well, yeah, well the reason why that

got dropped in one of the more recent turtle

issues is because Donnie and Harold are testing

out to make sure the friggin portal works instead

of sending them to The Ghostbusters, New York,

he because they're trying to get back to Brno,

Iowa. Yeah Yeah, so the the techno babble continues

We go back to Chinatown and and Chai you is asking

Casey How do you defy me You have been fighting

my control from the beginning. Maybe you and

my dad should form a support group then, because

I'm not going to stop fighting you. Yeah, he

gets the short end of the stick, but Casey is

a fighter, and that's... He is. He is, and that

is a very good thing, but it just... It's just

so heartbreaking that Casey has to be... Like

I said earlier the whipping boy, you know Or

Casey basically has to be the kid that has his

tongue stuck to the pole There's only so many

times I can get a Christmas story reference into

a comic podcast people So we go back and forth

we get back to Ghostbusters and turtles You know

we have Leo taking charge and raise like bossing

much It's kind of his thing to an important question

about your car. Can I work the siren? So we get

back to shy you and he has all these He snores

at something because it's not showing and then

he's Someone off -screen says, hey Ferdinand,

who's Ferdinand? You're a bull in Chinatown,

really? You're gonna go that way? Ghostbusters

mutants, I told you that you would regret our

next meeting. Did you think me a liar? And we

have another battle. And this battle, this next

full page of the battle is really dark. The backgrounds,

the shading, the colors, like, I'm not expecting

this to be, you know, super bright. I'm not expecting

this to be like TMNT 37 was where you have Shredder

and Crang on a boat in the middle of the ocean

and it's nothing but blues and whites everywhere,

but it just, this next, this whole thing just

seems way too dark here. It works. I just I don't

know. Maybe it's just me So they're trying to

get to Casey because they're trying to obviously

free Casey. Yeah, cuz the one of the inventions

were these Palm strike kind of ghost Defibrillators

so the Ninja Turtles are using those because

they're the the close combat guys And so they're

smacking these thralls left and right breaking

them free of she used power So they're trying

to get to Casey to do that to him Mm -hmm in

case he shows up looking like shredder. I was

that's that's a neat outfit. I kind of think

that I Wish shredder would actually wear that

No, I'm being yeah, it's a good outfit because

the whole red snuggie thing is getting old even

at this point You know they when they went to

north when the turtles went to Northampton I

think Bobby had told us, oh, well, you're going

to see a change in April's design, and that's

where the short hair comes from. I honestly think

it's time for them to switch up Shredder's design

and homage anything else other than what he currently

has. You can homage the TMNT 90 film. You can

homage the animated series from 87, or hell,

even the 2003 anime, anything except that damn

red snuggie. People at Joe and I have been doing

this for a year now or so and that still bugs

the crap out of me I know it's a nitpick but

So we get we get Casey Going to basically Chinese

telling him to destroy them We have a fight between

Casey and Raph Which is simply awesome Mean it's

it's not all that often you see a fight between

Casey and Raph And it's like a super Casey as

well he's gigantic yeah Maybe all that armor

is for making coleslaw All this weight is they're

really gonna support all of us Yeah, that's that's

all that they're missing here. They're missing

Kevin Nash. That's all that's missing from Casey's

design How did it mutate his armor So we have

that battle and we finally get We finally get

Casey free so Casey is no longer say Raph does

it Raph actually tells him you should know better

than anyone case Don't take your eye off the

ball. And he basically frees Casey somehow by

knocking something off his chest or something

or other. So that's the palm defibrillator Ghostbuster

invention. Oh, that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we get Casey back. And that's a good thing.

Thank God. We get back to the Firehouse. Yeah,

Peter had a big... ghostbuster energy bazooka

that he shoots Chi you with to slow him down

and How about that guys some of us all guys can

come up with our own plans and Leo says you blew

him up Why on earth wouldn't you lead with that?

Absolutely, absolutely, that's yeah, I don't

know why he didn't do that Well, he says Pete

Pete says because it's because with ghosts only

a temporary fix our pal Chi Chi is gonna pull

himself back together Eventually when he does

he's gonna be cranky Yep, so we get back to the

firehouse They're trying to figure out how to

get back home We then go back to chai you back

in Chinatown uh... he basically goes on and on

i'm not accustomed to defeat it does not suit

me i do not believe i can simply ignore the Ghostbusters

or their allies while i build an army worthy

of a conquest not any longer and this is basically

the last page here and uh... tonight in my thralls

we go to war again something Even when Casey

was under the spell of Chayu, some sort of background

for Chayu would have been better than nothing.

from this is a greater agenda besides the world

domination. And even the battles don't seem to

have high stakes, they don't seem, there's not

much drama with them. And you know, this is their

second battle with Chi -Yu where they shot him

with something and he runs away. They're unremarkable

and what's Chi -Yu's plan after he re -consolidates

or re - reestablishes himself as, I'm gonna go

fight them again. Like really? You think you

should go maybe to, I don't know, Europe or China

and start over there? Yeah, somewhere, something,

something different. Alright folks, number four

for TMNT Ghostbusters we have, the regular cover

is... Jai you the turtles the Ghostbusters all

-out war it looks like they're crossing the streams

people Darn it my issue for Spent a weekend in

the water in the backseat of my car. I need to

buy a new one So here's here's the pages I thought

I thought since it's it's a crossover and I don't

care that much about it that I don't need to

go get a Replacement issue because it's four

dollars. That's that's a lot of money. I think

I might have to No, I'm good I got it I can't

see the ads in the back everything else is fine

uh... how i do you have used doing a galaxy quest

comic all right yes anyway so the main cover

is charlie you the turtles in the ghostbusters

they are there across it looks like they're crossing

the streams the sub cover which is the one that

i have uh... just because the sub cover was on

my comic book uh... shop shelf uh... actually

has slime on the city street or something or

other And it's them looking like they're having

to go into the sewer. Absolutely awesome. That's

a good one. Yeah, fun looking cover. There is

a Hot Topic cover where it's the turtles, it's

Raph and... I don't know who the bad guy is.

Is that Chi -Yu? It's supposed to be, I think.

I'm glad I didn't have to buy that cover. Then

we have the Hastings covers, the four turtles.

It looks like they're the ones crossing the streams,

but it's not because they're all holding their

weapons. But the streams are like right next

to them. Right there, so it's a little strange.

So we get into this one. Our story so far, the

TMNT and the Ghostbusters. are in the ghostbusters

of new york with a limited time to do their uh...

to find their way back to their own dimension

first they must fight the forces of the demon

shy you um... ladies and gentlemen this is kind

of where it goes downhill the art is still fantastic

i absolutely love the art but i i i'm sorry eric

barnum dude generally i love you as a writer

for tmnt And Tom Waltz is a writing genius for

Turtles. He's been writing it for four years

now. But this one just kinda, it... The writing

just seems to wrap everything up too fast. Yeah,

what this felt like to me reading this issue

was that they had these four issues. You know

this book isn't a priority because they're working

on the actual books. That they had the four issue

window, they got... scripted the first three

and then oh man we've got only one more issue

to wrap this up quick we've got to wrap it up

really fast and it's not that they left any loose

ends anywhere it just like hey quick all right

ah hey we won and um it's it's a little heartbreaking

but it's the banter is why we're here it's almost

very heartbreaking honestly um it really really

is and yes the banter is why we are here but

it's just one of those things where you just

you wish there was a little more you know you

just really do um so we have the turtles and

the ghostbusters versus chai you and his thralls

um we have the ecto one Going through a time.

Oh, no, that's the those are the thralls because

they've stopped They stopped the guy. Okay and

We have the containment unit and their solution

is to try to use the containment unit to contain

Chai you Venkman Winston if you re if you read

you we need you upstairs now. We don't have any

packs in you. We're totally exposed up here help

and then Peters like He says something about

the building the building is technically still

in his name Winston so they try to cross the

streams and they eventually do and this pretty

much does stop chayu for the most part and then

they try to use the trap on him which doesn't

really work at first once again amazing art love

the colors love the designs of all the characters

you know They say that, you know, he's not gone

yet. We need one more kick and They eventually

do trap him and that does look amazing the ghost

trap in this looks great it really really does

and This issue kind of reads really really fast

it You know after the battle after they captured

Chai you You know, we have them all saying goodbye.

We have Leo talking with You know Winston and

Again the whole honor thing like you mentioned

earlier and and and Winston being a marine or

else and they kind of exchange gifts I think

he gives him his pet his His stripes and I don't

know if Leo gives him a sword or not. I don't

think he does Well, those are expensive. Egon's

like, time to go. If you wait any longer, I can't

be sure you'll return to the proper dimension.

See your dudes later. And make sure you don't

swat at nothing before we get done, okay? I think

it's Mikey. Master Splinter, my sons, I didn't

hear you come in. Very good. Back to the old

art Well, it didn't just send us back it changed

the way we look again our shells shrunk look

at that At least Mikey doesn't look like Mikey

and Donnie don't have eggheads So I'll give them

that and splinter doesn't look like a dog here

either So that's good And we have We go back

to the Ghostbusters and they kinda, you know,

close it off and it leaves it open, you know,

to, you know, to potentially Chayu coming back.

Um, which, I don't know. The only way I'd want

this character to come back is if he teams up

with Rat King and Kitsune, but I don't think

that's gonna happen. He doesn't even need to

team up with him if he if his goals are somewhat

aligned even if his goals are our chaos that's

fine, but He just he needs to have it he needs

to be tied together more closely with those guys

and Frankly, we need to know who those guys are

I mean, why is Kitsune so concerned to do what

she's doing? What is the Rat King up to? absolutely

um overall folks I enjoyed this but it wasn't

earth -shattering it wasn't the best thing ever

overall I'd give the entire arc maybe a three

and a half out of five and the only reason why

it even gets three and a half is because of all

the comedy with the banter and the introductions

and that kind of stuff but the overall story

it like the art if I was rating it separately

the writing would get a three and a half the

art would probably get a five because the art

whether it's the new artist or the old artist

or whatever it all works very well together but

Overall for the entire thing. I gotta give it

a three and a half out of five. I agree. I think

The story didn't resolve itself well and The

the action scenes were the weak part Yeah, you

know am I am I thankful they did this? Yes. Do

I wish it was a little better in the action department?

Yeah You know, I kind of I kind of wish that

it would have felt like a more of a Ghostbusters

plot with the turtles hanging around. I don't

know, it just seems like, let's shoot at him

until he disappears, solution. But I don't know.

Yeah, that's very true. Um alright folks coming

up next is gonna be the pull bag episode 99 where

Steve and I Steve Megatron I talk about Batman

Beyond 10 ,000 clowns and bad girl beyond Did

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send any feedback to me You can do that at Joe

Reed the turtle guy at gmail .com. I'm gonna

go check that email right now And I was gonna

save it until we had a straight normal Right

little issue, but I'll go check see if we heard

from anybody Cuz I know coming up next we've

got attack on technodrome parts three and four

There's probably not gonna be another Turtles

episode of The Full Bag until... ...Junish, most

likely. That's a long time away. No feedback

yet, but that's okay. Folks go listen to our

comic Terry on the 1990 Turtles movie where we

celebrated 25 years Joe does point out a lot

of interesting factoids as well as we talk about

the the insult game we talk about Everything

else having to do with that movie how awesome

shredder looks and then we also pretty much I

was I actually was about to say I'm very proud

that we didn't just recite the whole Like word

the alternate audio track that we have been terrible

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