Superior Iron Man Issues 5 Review

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Alright folks, it is Marvelous March in April!

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Hello, sir. Hello, sir Never question ever but

one thing on this cover. Why does Tony Stark

give a Jason Todd s pose? You mean the godlike

pose on issue one? Yeah Because Tony Stark thinks

he's a god maybe I don't know. Well, the whole

point is he is superior also joining us is our

Canadian brother from the North, JT from Saskatoon.

Hello, sir. Hello, and I gotta say, this isn't

Tony Stark. It's the douche. It's his douche

-ness. Doucher. El Doucherino, if you're not

into the whole brevity thing. Yeah. So, as you

can tell, folks, we're here. We're gonna talk

about the first five issues of Superior Iron

Man. I have a huge problem with Marvel. Go on.

What don't you have a huge problem with? yeah

anyway so issue number five I wanted to because

how I've been buying these is I've been buying

them at my local comic shop and I've just been

putting the codes into Marvel's app and I've

got it synced up to comics ology so I get a digital

version so it you know at the same time of supporting

my local shop I'm also getting the digital copy

that I want, because Marvel apparently is the

only company that will put digital codes inside

their books, unlike, you know, dictators of California

and anybody else. Do you mean the Distinguished

Competition? No, not at all. The Disgusting Competition

is more like it. So issue five, and we'll get

to this in depth, but I have to bring this up

because I already said that I have a huge issue

with Marvel. Issue five. reads Tales of Superiority

featuring Superior Iron Man. It's an homage to

the old Marvel Tales kind of thing, and I'm thinking,

oh, well, that's a completely different title.

I didn't even notice when I was at my shop the

005 number in the top right hand corner, so I

never got the print issue for Superior Iron Man

number five. I have it on digital, but... JT

you know Jeremy, and I just spent the whole last

episode got two and a half hours talking about

access But what is your general opinion of the

access event? as briefly as I possibly can make

this yeah, I like the idea of You know it's a

pretty basic thing like good guys are bad bad

guys are good the world will never be same again

I like the idea of it the execution well not

totally unf - it wasn't completely flawed like

there were some mistakes here and there I - by

and large I liked it uh it's I wish we would

see something more further with uh you know Havoc

and Sabertooth I mean it's we got this entire

title devoted to the uh inverted Tony Stark here

and we've had like two issues of Uncanny Avengers

with the good Sabretooth and well, I haven't

read Uncanny X -Men in years, so I have no idea

what they're doing with Havoc. I liked it overall.

I like these kind of fifth week crossover events

sort of things. It's kind of, it has this classic

comic books vibe to it. So between Axis and Secret

Wars, we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm not too

thrilled with them. with Secret Wars. I haven't

even read the thing yet. Obviously it isn't out

yet, but I'm just not too thrilled because because

of Secret Wars and because of Marvel destroying

their own universe, like DC does, Superior Iron

Man is one of the X titles. So I don't know.

So far I think we have solicited up to issue

either 8 or 9. I could be wrong about issue 9.

I know I saw solicitations for issues 7 and 8.

but superior iron man is going to be a short

-lived thing and honestly i'm pissed because

it shouldn't have been this is an awesome story

line i wish this i'm not saying this needs to

go on you know seven hundred issues but at least

give us forty or fifty i mean at least is so

much that you can do with this so getting into

it issue number one It has Tony Stark on the

cover in his god -like pose because he is the

superior iron man It gives you it is the tech

Messiah the master of mechanics. Yes He's loved

me for I am shiny and silver the terror that

flaps in the night. Oh wait, sorry I see I can

get that with the bridge in the background on

the cover like that. Yes. It's like there's anyone

else here Jim Cummings yeah so we open this up

we get a you know what has gone before kind of

like a previously page and it's on the sauce

again yeah Tony's on the sauce again because

he doesn't want to be turned back to being the

way he was he wants to stay the dickhead that

he used to be and this one basically starts in

San Francisco he is doing his extremis 3 .0 uh...

storyline uh... which i i think is really cool

that they've upgraded the extremist stuff to

to this point and the funny thing is after i

read this issue i was like wait a minute where

have i seen this whole you know Everybody gets

an app everybody gets for oh, yeah Kingsman duh

Not that not that other things can't use the

same plot lines, but I was like wait a minute

Where have I seen this before and also for sharp

-eyed? Fans of Iron Man that second and third

page like that splash Spread of Tony flying down

the street right away if you look back at heroes

return Iron Man number one like the first issue

post heroes reborn. That's the same shot of Like

Tony was flying through the Renaissance armor

Which was like the updated armor with the horns

that he had for that first couple years in that

title That's like almost the shot for shot Reproduction

there and I thought that was really cool to kind

of kick off this another Renaissance for Iron

Man The core creative team is Tom Taylor on writing,

the man who brought us Injustice Gods Among Us

comic, Yildre Sinar is on the art, Guru EFX is

the colorist, and a bunch of other people as

well. Mike Choi is the cover artist. I mean,

I'm really digging this. This is a fun comic

to me. I wish that they wouldn't be canceling

this. Jeremy, what were your initial impressions

on the first issue? Well, first of all, I think

that this is a kick -ass fight between She -Hulk

and the TM Abomination. This feels like classic

80s, 90s Marvel, and I do know that every now

and then we'll get motion comics. Gotta be honest,

if they made this into a motion comic series,

and they got the right voice cast, I don't know

who you can get for She -Hulk, because I know

that some people would think Tress McNeil, but

I would say it's maybe Kelly who I don't know

it's it's kind of tough but I have to be so good

that would be and I have to say it's great to

see she hulk back because I have heard of this

character and she kind of comes and goes and

people think of her as eye candy But when you

bring in somebody, especially the Abomination,

that the only time I really recall hearing of

this character was in, you know, the reboot of

the Hulk in 08 and the video game in 03. But

there's something about this battle between the

two and the conversation between Tony and She

-Hulk as they're trying to battle him. And, you

know, he's saying like, oh, T and Abomination,

that's a terrible name. And you just see like...

She hook is multitasking like she's trying to

hold down cars and talk to Tony and fight him

at the same time And I love how he just he punches

her and she goes backwards into this Wall and

she's just like oh pretty strong and you see

the facial expressions. They're not as cartoony

as I thought they would be. This is a classic

comic book battle of decades ago, and this, I

have to admit, I dig, and I wish it was a little

longer, and as I say this over and over again,

you want to take that one panel and make it into

your desktop? When Teen Abomination, and he just

has that hole, and he's about to hit Iron Man,

he knocks the head off, He gives that noise like

ra you know because as I said before Stan Lee

was always good on noises This is your typical

feels like 70s 80s type of you know Storyline

arc art and it just been cleaned up a bit. So

I have to admit I love the first five to ten

pages and especially the other panel where um

after iron man's head is decapitated you see

like the bodies are shooting at the beams and

you just see teen abomination on the floor and

you get that close -up of his face like he knows

that tony may or may not be in the suit i i just

love the artwork and the facial expressions on

abomination it's not just another character showing

up to battle there's kind of like a point to

him and it's not the i mean i know the storyline

and we'll get into this it's not the stupid Dumb

abomination from superhero squad show well now

The panel you're talking about when he knocks

Tony's head off. I was like my god. It's the

old It's the old Rockham Sockham robots commercials.

You're gonna knock his block off So as we go

along here, there's some just some amazing art

The writing is so well done. Tony's comic, like

his whole fixation of Teen Abomination, why that

name? That's a horrible name. Just absolutely

love it. And I love they had him remote piloting

the suit. Because it's kind of, I mean I know

he's done that before in the comics, but for

me it's more so a callback to Iron Man 3 than

anything else. Oh yeah, you think he's in the

suit and yeah. Yeah. Well I just love that uh,

sorry, I was just saying I love that, well that's

disorienting, just the perfectly captured WTF

look on She -Hulk's face, where she's just, the

hell's going on here? You know, and then even

teen A -bomb is, you know, what the hell, and

it's like, you're not in there, what, you think

I'd waste my time on teen abomination? It's so

crazy, it's a good suit though I mean I again

I don't read too much Iron Man But I do like

how Tony over the years has changed his suits

in a way like he's not just using You know the

Hulk Hogan red and yellow He has different ones

including like the Iron Patriot that will be

used you know later or the rescue suit and so

on so forth But I can see how he's modified each

suit, and I guess what we'll get down to eventually

is the liquid metal, per se. Which is interesting

too, like... And I'm okay with that. Tony Stark

has become the T -1000, ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah, but here's my question, because I'm not

the Iron Man Tony Stark aficionado. My question

is that, besides the color... Cuz I know they're

gonna be different suits. I know when we get

to Avengers age of Ultron the much talked about

Hulkbuster But my question is is that besides

the colors? What is the idea? It's not just a

backup suit I take it like each one becomes more

power or less before JT can expound on this in

a moment because he's more of the classic guru

than I am what I Understand is and this is basically

from the 90s Marvel cartoon Each armor has different

abilities, like the black and gold was supposed

to be for space, there was a blue and something

that was supposed to be used for underwater stuff,

and each suit used to be tailored to a certain

environment for Tony. JT, you can either confirm

or deny. Yeah, I mean, obviously when there's

like the different styled suits in the 90s, it

was more of a toyetic thing. more than anything

I mean the originally the first version of the

black and gold Iron Man suit actually came from

the Marvel mc2 line in the late 90s that gave

us like a next and you know the amazing spider

girl because that was like this basically an

Android created by Tony Stark to fill in for

him now that he had more or less retired his

Iron Man And this line, this particular colored

armor, I know in the most recent episode of Hulk

and the Agents of Smash, it's referred to as

the stealth armor. And really, this has just

kind of been his standard armor since Marvel

Now started, where they rebooted the Iron Man

series just post... Oh, what was the big crossover

just before? Not Reign, but... I forget it'll

come back to me later, but basically this has

just been his stock Iron Man suit for a while

now where he had the red and gold space armor

and Such like that, then we'll see the the silver

armor or silver white armor coming up here But

I mean to get back in the story is this I love

that You could deal with the cleanup and she

looks like what do you got somewhere better to

be and he's like Maybe Yeah, and he's like, why

are you smiling? Tony says this incredibly bucks

and blonde who in no way is going to lose her

good looks in the next couple of pages Well,

I just humiliate a stupid c -grade supervillain

save downturn on San Francisco when I'll betrothed

the depravity in the spawn the last sip of this

cocktail And I was like, oh, I think I'm gonna

like this douche Yep, and we get pepper pots

again, but this is like I don't know. I have

a mixed feeling on Pepper Potts that maybe the

movie left a bad taste in my mouth, but again,

Pepper Potts is not useless. I mean, she'll become

rescue, where she is rescued down the road. Here

she just comes off for the first couple panels

again, kind of like with the first Iron Man movie,

where it's like, oh, I'm good at taking the trash

out. Oh, what are you doing, Tony, being, you

know, douchebag playboy? She's not taking any

shit and I keep Questioning because I know from

both the comics and the movie with the continuity

She kind of takes over stark industries after

a while right like when he hits the bottom Yeah

at the currently in the Marvel Comics Like at

this point, she's kind of working with Tony,

but she's also running the company resilient

Which she and Tony started in the matte fraction?

Written Iron Man title Previa that I think two

volumes ago So she's almost on equal footing

with Tony in terms of being a corporate CEO,

but She still works with them sometimes I guess

Okay, and resilient will come up later in this

too I just love this whole story the whole aspect

of the app and and what it's doing to people

and how because Tony has created this thing it

is separated from those who can afford it to

those who can't and it's just a crazy idea I

just I just I just love how everyone like what

like moving the story along like she Pepper goes

to Tago's like you're drinking again what's with

the suit and it's basically symbiot armor and

she's like yeah that couldn't possibly end well

and then you go and you see what happens to see

that there are roving gangs of beautiful people

beating up you know hobos and homeless people

because all of a sudden this it's like with great

power comes great irresponsibility because all

of a sudden you're a supermodel so of course

everyone else is ugly and you want all the imperfections

out of your city And just as Daredevil's about

to lay the smackdown on him, everyone reverts.

And you find out... You find that in this issue

alone, the biggest example of douchebaggery that

Tony Stark has done thus far, not only has people

only had Extremis for a day, it's $100 a day

to renew this. You glorious, magnificent bastard!

This is... Good good number 12 looks just like

you. It's a great Twilight Zone episode in the

fifth season where Everybody male and female

have to look like number 8 or number 12 and it's

mandatory I think by your 21st birthday So you

have 15 people that either look like the same

guy who looks like number 8 or the other it looks

like number 2 and the same thing with the women

and the problem is is That it's free and you

have to think like number 8, or you have to think

like number 12. Here, you get an app for Extremis,

and I think we all know how bad that is, if you

remember that storyline. Well, it did fix Bruce

Banner when he had the brain damage from getting

shot, so... Yes, but there's still side effects,

and side effects, as we know, could also cause

spontaneous combustion. But here's the thing,

though. Even for $100, and I understand what

Tony's trying to do, but I do like the conversation

again with Pepper. Like, she just, she understands

what the consequences are. I just find it odd

that you have to get an app to get something

that may or may not fix you, but the side effects

still have, may or may not have been tested,

and we just see people melting. Or, you know,

we see it, it's not gonna be like with Iron Man

3, but they're still melting regardless, and

they're still having... like these little breakdowns,

and it's a bunch of people. I don't know how

I would feel about if this app was out in real

life. Now, maybe 100 years from now if they perfected

it, but still, I don't know how comfortable I

would be with an app. An app for everything.

But I'm still kind of curious, even though they

explain it in comic book logic, in REL life,

I don't know how you're supposed to, is it supposed

to be bio, what is it? biometric or bi -organic

yeah that's it bi -organic like you just touch

it like because i know with the iphone you can

do touch id and then it goes into your dna and

that's how it works and in or is that what they're

trying to say yeah well i mean the extremists

in like the original war and l story is it basically

it hacks the body's you know firmware you know,

like everything that makes us blink and breathe

and our pulse go and all that. And this is essentially

a refined or low rent version of this, because

I mean, yeah, everyone, it's not so much everyone

melts. It's just all of a sudden, you know, you

look in the one chick in the green bikini. I

mean, she was like this Buxom supermodel two

pages ago. And now all of a sudden, the cellulite

comes out of freaking nowhere. you know, and

everyone's ugly again, and Tony's like, what,

you think I was just gonna do this for free?

Yeah, this is nothing new, and this also, this

actually even is based on a 50s Tales from the

Crypt comics story where they use, um, ambergris,

and they're not experimenting and people melt

to skeletons. So, it's not a new take, but I

do like the 21st century feel on it. As the issue

ends we see a Man of mystery who at first I thought

was daredevil because of the red eye and the

pointy ears And then I'm like oh wait. No, it's

Batman, but they would never do that Does this

look like Marvel versus DC to you? Indeed and

then it's the classic The suit of armor I forget

what iterations is designated as but this is

basically the suit of armor post the nose and

roller blades because roller blades are cool

and At first like well, we'll see who this is

later on in the series at first I was laying

money that this is the AI Jarvis that pepper

had in the rescue armor or a new variation of

this or it was Homer or something like that you

know that's they've planned for this apparently

oh bump bump bum overall the first issue I absolutely

loved it it pulled me into the series the comedy

between Tony and Teen Abomination and She -Hulk

and the stuff with Pepper I really really dug

it it's this is a Tony Stark I want to be reading

Well, I'm impressed. Yes. I love this. I if you've

never had Iron Man before this is a great if

you know to the series Yeah, no, I enjoyed it.

It's I it's not a tone not to completely just

come what you guys said. It's not that I Don't

want to read This type of Tony sir. I want to

read this story. Yes. It's just not Specifically

do I want to read? You know, it's just that I

can only take so much douchebaggery at a time

Well, I mean he is being a douche But he you

know and we don't know the full extent of what

it's you know She pepper alludes to it the first

issue of of the consequences of extremis 3 .0

And we don't know what that is at this point

and I'm sure Tony knows in the back of his mind,

but Just reading an iron man that for me is similar

to what I know Robert Downey jr. Is done in the

movies. It's like oh, this is so friggin cool

It really is With issue two we start off with

daredevil versus iron man I Love how they set

this up because you have in the first issue you

have one previously page So that gets you hooked

that gets you caught up the first issue gets

you Set on reading this if you're gonna read

it or not the second issue You don't need a previously

page. It opens up with the Extremis 3 .0 thing

with B Superior, and it gives you a little blurb

of what's gone on already, and it gives you the

creative listing and all that stuff. I absolutely

love that. And as we get into this, we start

with Daredevil. Well, I love the cover, first

of all, is the Iron Man's, like, talk to the

hand and blasting DD in the face. And then if

you look in the bottom half, they're basically

fighting on top of an Like a vision chart you

you would see it your optometrist Yeah, I love

that and as we get in you got the recap page

which and I got to say I kind of like the extremist

three Logo icon thing. I think that's kind of

cool Yeah, just from an aesthetic taste you see

We open with daredevil busting up a robbery and

him talking about how the kids more scared than

the woman he's mugging and I was like If this

is what an average dude looks like in San Francisco

Then why in the hell does he need extremists?

Because I mean for on the surface the kid doesn't

look like he's that homely, you know Are you

just desperate to have a pro wrestler's body

or something? Like why would if you look like

a normal guy, you're that unhappy in your own

life that sort of thing But the best part of

this is the vengeance that the would -be muggy

takes Where she takes this picture you see this

I'm internet famous and this is gonna be a lot

in 30 seconds you meh And you're like your life

is over. He's like no Internet fame no It's like

dude deal with it. I mean It felt like kick -ass

for some reason. I don't know. There's a lot

of deja vu as well, especially Like I've been

down this road before why was I? Oh, yeah kick

-ass, but again, this has done a lot better even

the cover and JT you picked this up a lot faster

than I did because for Five seconds. I was like,

oh, wait a second. You're right. It's a vision

shot But I also recall and this is nothing new

they have fought before I think in the 90s for

some reason there were a lot of these versus

titles so I like the call back there but as for

this fight between you know daredevil and the

kid and going on the phone it's tighter but yet

i i i feel that was it really necessary because

we already had iron daredevil discussed in the

last issue so i'm kind of and the other thing

is this is a revamp of dark industries well at

least for me i don't know why it looks like starship

enterprise for some reason. I mean, you can see

the top of it, it definitely looks like... Yeah,

that's probably just an homage. I mean, they're

just trying to create a cool -looking building,

but I mean, we haven't really mentioned this

yet so far, but what do you guys think of having

Iron Man set in San Francisco instead of New

York? I'm looking, you know what? I'm surprised

they didn't do this in China. I mean... It seems

like for Tony in New York, I think what it comes

down to, everything media -wise is in New York,

whether it be movies or comics. It's either New

York or San Francisco. And I think it goes back

to the old days in comics, where it used to be

New York or Los Angeles for DC Marvel. And then

I guess they wanted to move everything around

when they started to have like, you know, the

East Coast Avengers and the West Coast Avengers.

They've always done this, but I think with New

York now they're trying to promote other cities

for demographic purposes. And not to mention

the fact that since Tony is a tech guru, I've

noticed that there are more tech gurus right

now on the West side. So I figured, okay, well,

you know, we won't make Tony so much Steve Jobs

per se, but I can kind of see where they're kind

of going with that. Yeah, he's an evil Steve

jobs Yeah, it's like I'm waiting for him to go

into stark industries and go like you know what

cuz I know like an adventures He goes like well,

it's like Christmas, but only more me I was almost

waiting for him to go like from Transformers

age of extinction age of extinction and walk

into stark industries and go like what does that

sound I wanted to sound more Futuristic so I

guess that's what they're trying Tony's Tony

might be a dick, but he's not That much of a

dick? Well, he made an app for $100 for Extremis

3 .0, so... No, I know. Well, he wants to make

money off of it, but I mean, as far as, like,

I don't, like... Him wanting to see his name

in lights and all this and all that and everything

else, yeah, sure, but as far as a sound effect...

He's not... He's no Stanley Tucci dick. I'm just

looking at this the new stark tower on Alcatraz

Island no less I love there's just this giant

dome over top the prison You know and it doesn't

look like that thing is too structurally stable.

Just just looking at it It doesn't like I'm sure

it is. It's just The hell is this thing? You

know and then you get daredevils coming in trying

to you know Tell Stark, you know, I'm shutting

you down and Stark is like, yeah, nothing doing

and just casually throws Daredevil off the tower

and Daredevil's pissed and he goes back into

the party He's like, you know for a guy with

called a man without fear as he was falling through

the air He looked just a little bit worried Yeah

and then sorry It's definitely great artwork

when daredevil is going down in the water. I

mean, I love the ripple effects and everything

I love the background colors on this one. Oh,

yeah, and he goes in he's basically he's like

once again He's gonna hook people with extremists

now at this point I'm looking at this crowd is

this people have paid for extremists or are these

just the beautiful people who were there to party

because You know for partying sake like how many

of these people are cadet or Kardashian basically?

and Tony says he's gonna be on Castro Street

tomorrow and he's gonna be basically a traveling

wireless extremist hub so you can download it

and basically we meet the father of the kid who

tried to jack that lady up in the beginning of

the issue and he's like ready to you know do

what for to Tony Stark and Tony literally takes

one in the face yeah That is an awesome image

it just is and everyone's just like I love how

it's not security guards It's not the police.

It's all these tattooed well -coif 30 -something

hipster douches and while we're using that word

a lot today that take this guy down and Tony

flies him up into the thing and He basically

He what do you Basically extorts or blackmails

this guy into using extremis Pretty much. Yeah.

Yeah, I I love this is that this is not the Tony

Stark that we're used to or at least the one

I'm not used to But yeah, he describes this guy

and says you want to shoot me in the head. I'm

okay with that But bashing my product is something

I can't allow and I can hear Robert Downey's

Joe Robbie Downey jr.'s voice while it's because

I get But the thing is, is that I can understand

for likeness rights, they can't make him look

like Robert Downey Jr., and that's a shame. But

he kind of does. I mean... To a degree. To a

degree. To a degree, he does. I mean, and honestly,

why can't they? But it doesn't matter. He's already

Iron Man. He's already working for Marvel. So

why can't they use his likeness? Well, that's

a whole marketing... you know likeness rates

and the thing is Tony Stark used to just be like

mustache and some hair and then in the 90s you

know they gave him the goatee and that's kind

of been the default Tony Stark look so you know

it's kind of a chicken or egg thing whereas Tony

Stark looks like rdj rdj looks like Tony Stark

you know it's it's it's neither here nor there

It doesn't matter really because to me when I

look at the art in this issue when I look at

the art in this series I see our DJ and I hear

him in my head when I'm reading the book I certainly

do think of our DJ when I think of Iron Man,

but honestly in reading this Who's the guy voiced

Iron Man in EMH Eric Loomis I Hear I hear like

Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes Tony Stark

here Because there's something Lewis's voice

I think at least this version of Tony Stark I

hear that a lot more and we see you know, so

he basically threatens to like completely and

To quote Ving Rhames in pulp fiction go medieval

on his son's future Like he'll make it worse

and they go back you see daredevils like oh,

this is so wrong And you see what a Tony Stark

part there ain't no party like a Tony Tart Tony

Stark party because the Tony Stark party don't

stop until everyone passes out from alcohol poisoning

or until Daredevil comes in well I know this

looks like the aftermath of that party in Animal

House that he's you know, there's bodies everywhere

he Dopes Tony Stark and I love The worry we're

daredevil Jack. He kidnaps Tony Stark and the

blonde wakes up And it's like, it's a team up.

We do these. And she's like, OK. And I flashed

to that scene in Die Another Day where Pierce

Brosnan breaks into the British jerk's room and

decks him out. And then there's just this hot

Cuban babe. And he's like, hola. And she's like,

buenos dias. It's like she's seen this shit before.

Then so we get a really cool couple of pages

with daredevil and iron man and daredevils detective

vision Yeah, very very cool. You know it really

reminds me as we're looking at this if you look

on the second page where we're where Daredevil

says, don't try that again if you look at that

little panel right there. It kind of reminds

me of when Megatron became Galvatron in Transformers

the movie as far as the lines on Tony's. Oh yeah,

yeah. It looks so cool. That is pretty good.

And I love how Daredevil is basically smacking

Tony around with Deep Underground, you know,

your armor isn't coming for you. He's trying

to figure out like what the deal is with Tony

because I mean he's known Tony for years and

then Tony gets this great Evil villain smile

and then you got like the evil overlord glowing

red eyes And I love it's kind of subtle I didn't

notice this until I was rereading these issues

in preparation for this is that the repulsive

nodes And like a couple of volumes ago Tony start

doing this with his armor where he had like several

little repulsor nodes built into his armors that

they go from the the blue white to red Yeah And

then we have him, you know suit up and that is

a really creepy image where he's standing over

daredevil and You know the the the armor is basically

gooping on to him And it looks like he just hits

him with like the mother of all taser blasts

Daredevil wakes up and he can see yeah that was

awesome like when I first read that I'm like

oh my god no they didn't just do that but that

is so awesome it would make sense because if

it's symbiont at least that's what it says it's

symbiote bio it's bio grand bio organic If daredevils

origins because I don't know if there is a superior

daredevil, but if the origins are what they were

Originally where he became blind because of toxic

waste. I mean that was pretty much it right toxic

waste radioactive waste. Yeah like that Okay,

it would explain how he became blind you guys

powers now that Tony hit him with this gazer

beam I'm kind of wondering because, you know,

I don't want to spoil what we get for the next

three issues. What happens next? Will he lose

his keen powers? Will they kiss and make up?

We don't really know. It was a great cliffhanger

and I guess... I'm really concerned how there

wasn't so much internet buzz on Daredevil's scene

again, especially since they're trying to reboot

the character and they have this show supposedly

on Netflix. You would think this would be a great

meme or people going on the interweb and bitching

and complaining about, oh, Daredevil can see

again. No, nobody really talked about this. And

it's not like this is the first time they've

done this to Daredevil in the comics. They had

a... Previous to Heroes Reborn, they had a, or

not Heroes Reborn, previous to them rebooting

Daredevil under the Marvel Knights banner, they

had a storyline where he was operated on by S

.H .I .E .L .D. and they basically restored his

sight for him to go undercover in this mission

for a while. So it's happened before and I don't

know why Daredevil's surprised because at this

point it's just like, oh Jesus, what is this,

Thursday? Because it's happened before, it'll

happen again. Yeah, it it is one of those things.

I don't know. I mean, I don't you know To me

daredevil seeing again me knowing now that this

is going to be a quote unquote limited series

since it got axed I don't really mind it. Yeah,

there could have been a little bit more internet

buzz, but since You know, Marvel is the one,

I mean, it's not like Fox is doing the Daredevil

series on Netflix. It's Marvel, so I'm sure that

they felt, oh, we can do this, but it's not gonna

last, but we can do it. And it even happens,

you know, in the next issue. Specifically speaking

about the second issue, what do you guys feel,

final thoughts on number two? Jeremy? I think

it's a solid issue, and it's definitely a great

step forward in terms of the story. Oh, absolutely.

Well number two is not a number two. I mean I

have to admit I was scared going into this series

It's tight writing and it doesn't stink up the

room and it has a great cliffhanger to boot and

again as I said if you have not picked up a daredevil

comic or an Iron Man comic in years and Continuity

is all over and with reboots and what -have -you

It's understandable this one though. I have to

say it's probably one of the smartest five -issue

series of anything that I've read in Marvel right

now, and this is probably a lot better. Well,

it is. I mean, there's so much Iron Man out there

and Daredevil out there, and to me, if you're

gonna put the most egotistical, douchiest guy

that has everything in the world up against somebody

who comes from Hell's Kitchen and has lost a

lot but ironically gained something, then...

this team -up make or whatever you want to call

it between Daredevil and Iron Man still makes

sense. Absolutely. For me, again, absolutely

loving the story, loving the art. The whole evolution

of the characters within this storyline is great.

For issue three, the cover, this is the best

cover out of them all so far. I swear to God

I've seen this on a movie poster somewhere and

It's killing me not to... They live? Yes! They

live. It's gotta be they live. Yeah, that's exactly

it. John Carpenter's They Live. You're either

gonna wear these sunglasses or you're gonna start

eating that trash can. You're right. And you

figure, like, a 20 -minute battle between these

two, you know, there's a legend that there is

an old 40s comic between, I think, um... Johnny

Storm and the Submariner, where I think it was

supposed to be 40 or 50 pages of a slugfest.

I was kind of hoping when I saw this cover, we

would get like this double or triple issue of

just Tony and Daredevil fighting. Because as

soon as I saw that with the sunglasses and everything,

don't get it, but I still think it's a great

cover and a great homage. Yeah. No, that's definitely

and I love like how they got the binary code

in the background like that Because that's like

maybe that's what daredevils see in with that

because we find out as we open the issue is Tony's

He's basically dose daredevil with a low rent

version of extremis So his eyes will work temporarily

and I love the line. Hi, you're a lucky man Matt

Murdock You get to see again and this is the

first face you get to see You know for some odd

reason For some odd reason I don't know why but

It's like the Miz versus Mizdow When I read that

line it's like wow you are so arrogant Tony and

it's awesome This is vanity Smurf more or less,

but yeah, I mean I like the idea that he's trying

to create a special brand of sunglasses to counter

the effects of the extremists. But again, it's

this is a side of Tony that would work in Iron

Man 1, and this is what I was kind of hoping

Iron Man 1 would be. But yeah, the designs with

Daredevil again. Oh, I can see and what are you

going to do? And we get the facial expressions

and the back and forth banter. I do like how

Tony tries to offer Daredevil a drink and of

course Daredevil just smacks it out of his hand

and we see like the shards of glass and the reflections

between the two of what they're gonna do and

how they're not going to work together and they're

broken apart. I get that symbolism. But what

does Tony do? Tony does what he does best. He

just puts on the shades, acts cool, but then

when he takes them off it's kind of like there's

Clark Kent and there's Superman and we can start

to see him like he just tosses them away He just

starts getting madder and madder and we can just

see like the close -ups the showing of the teeth

the messed -up hair You can tell it's on Yeah,

and I mean I love that that whole thing where

You know, he's like, what are you what gives

you the right to play God and he's like I'm not

playing God I've been playing human and just

how it's like that the the idea of him taking

off the sunglasses and you get like the red -eye

Tony again like that and it's actually kind of

a little chilling because you think about it

this is Tony's usually this kind of happy -go

-lucky sarcastic, you know sob and now he's like

this Like this villain who's just finally, you

know what? The I feel bad. I can't come up with

a better analogy. This is like tantamount to

like I've had it with these mother effing snakes

on these mother effing plane moments like where

he's He's fighting he's tired of all the bullshit

that he's had to put up with from other people

He's like, you know what? This isn't your world.

This is mine kind of Declarative statement only

he's not an ungrateful, you know about it But

I have a question then is this Tony talking or

the Simba night talking? Well, I've looked up

on this like he's taken some building blocks

from a symbiote but I don't think it's to the

extent that He's gonna start talking in the third

person referring to him in the suit as we or

anything. It's He's been around enough and I

mean, this is Tony Stark like it's still Tony

Stark. It's just his attitude has changed so

He's seen what happened. He's seen the work he's

put in to help Flash Thompson control the symbiote,

which has since been undone and then corrected

in the current run of Guardians. So it's just

he's pissed off that, you know, he's going to

do things his way and to hell with you and everyone

else. And then we get to Pepper and the still

not named. Let's just call him Hornhead. It's

because he's sitting there and you see that he's

basically going back over. There's elements of,

you know, the Watcher from Original Sin and the

Electroscroll from Secret Invasion. He's basically

the armor's catching up and trying to figure

out how everything's connected. And at this point,

it's either Jarvis or I'm thinking this is yet

another backup of Tony Stark or some AI of some

sort for sure. And you see, they look at some

of the tweets and... Regarding to the extremists

here. It's like, you know, I can't afford extremists

anymore. Hashtag it hurts Can anybody hook me

up with hashtag extremists until payday will

do anything? Food or extremists starts world

problem. I mean Like what the f Tony Yeah, it's

a little crazy and then it goes back to him and

daredevil and he's like like literally where

he's yelling at daredevil he's like oh wait a

second got to take this call and apparently teen

a bomb has uh broken out of uh shield prison

yeah well to be fair it's actually tween abomination

because we find that he's 13 yeah and i like

the idea well here's the thing though i like

this because on one hand i was also gonna roll

my eyes and punch my you know the walls and everything

but then when you start to see the facial expressions

that's pretty pretty much as you know summing

up all these characters he i guess is trying

i guess it's supposed to be like a hulk um tony

stark type of relationship because we know the

relationship between those two so instead of

having i don't know if there is a teen hulk and

i don't want to know if there's a teen hulk i

know there's so many other hulks we talked about

that mike i don't you know yeah but as for the

tween abomination yeah he asked for help and

I love how Tony responds and only Tony can he's

like oh this is how you ask for help destroying

things you're a giant green ball of puberty and

anger of course this is how you ask for help

and he's like okay I'll talk to shield and I

could still use a man like you and everything

seems to be okay but I do love the facial expressions

when Tony's trying to ask Tween abomination how

old he is and he's like well mold enough and

you can see like he's Sucking in his lips and

the eyes are closed. Yeah, that's how any tween

would act like I'm not a kid I can take care

of myself. It almost feels like Jason Todd or

Tim Drake before he meets Batman But I I don't

know it the scene Again, it doesn't stink up

the room. It kind of makes sense for this series.

I don't know where it's gonna go But at the other

hand I like the designs and I like the banter

and I guess if they do pick up this character

What are they gonna do with him? Well, I guess

we'll find that I mean he kind of looks like

I guess a younger Green Goblin per se or I don't

know what they're gonna do But I I was impressed

with the character and you know the banter now

all that. Yeah Yeah, it was it was awesome the

banter between the two of them is great and what

we eventually find out about Teen Abomination

is interesting creepy but interesting I just

love when Tony is like no No, don't say your

name again. There are people around it's embarrassing

for both of us. Yeah He's like, yes, you're mean

you're supposed to be a superhero, but you're

mean I was like Yeah Wait, wait, that's a solid

solid well thought out argument there kid It's

just it's just so the series is so good Like

I can't believe how awesome the series is As

this issue closes we get a knock on on John Fabra,

I'm sorry on Foggy Nelson's Foggy Nelson's door

and You know it's basically Matt's time is running

out on the What told like the extremists is running

out of juice that Tony Dostin went so he just

you wanted to see his best friend Yeah, one last

time or you know, they just don't want to just

see you and Tony and I don't think Matt actually

like Foggy doesn't pick up that Matt can see

and Matt doesn't tell him because why should

two people get hurt like this? So yeah, and it

ends with Daredevil's vision fading in the radar

sense coming back Which I guess would suggest

that with his actual sight his radar sense is

nullified to some extent and Then you know we

go to the you know we move on uh overall again

another solid issue i think it's absolutely maddening

that we in the last two issues we haven't got

anything more from pepper and hornhead like what's

the deal what's going on here like i'm starting

to feel like i'm reading an episode of lost they're

dangling this question the answer is just over

here yeah but you're not going to get it for

three seasons I absolutely love this third issue.

It's just keeping on par with the series. Nothing

seems out of the ordinary. What's cool about

this one, and we haven't mentioned this, but

at the back of every one of these comics, they

go behind the iron curtain every time. And at

the back of this issue, they show us six different

Extremis app logos. They show us the various

versions of what could have been and number two

is what they eventually went with But I thought

that was super cool that they that they showed

those off. Yes I mean some of the other ones

like the number five wasn't so bad number four

and Number three is just kind of like whoo. It's

a swoosh Yeah It's like hello Nike I don't know.

Number two still looks like a Dr. Mario pill

for some reason. It does, doesn't it? Yeah. It's

still awesome, though. Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping

we get these on a shirt, but who the hell knows?

Yeah. All right, so issue number four. The cover

is Tony chillaxing on his couch using Daredevil

as a footstool. Yeah. Man, he's got to have a

cracked rib or something. I'm sorry an iron foot

on your back. Let's put it like this in the inner

monologue of daredevil Ow my everything yeah

Well, we see blood on the carpet, so you know

club, so it ain't gonna get that out And there's

some on the couch you don't know that it's blood

it could be grenadine or Cherry syrup you don't

know yeah You should dab or rub at all Yeah This

cover is a solid cover. It's not It doesn't grab

me the way the first few have Yeah, no no this

isn't us. I mean I like this cover, but honestly

out of the first Out of the first three issues

number three is by far the best out of them all

to this point and we open on television show

that we haven't heard from since Full House and

I was really hoping that these would be designs

for Saget and and Laurie Laughlin yeah I was

really hoping it would be Danny Tanner and Rebecca

Donaldson wouldn't it be Rebecca Stamos Mike?

Well, I forget how it whether she took just Jesse

Oh, what the hell was his last name? Oh god,

everybody's screaming at their iPods So okay,

but without trying to be too culturally insulting

Latina, you know, Kelly arepa here You know That's

the first thing I thought of when I saw this

like believe like if she was in a giant high

chair like the way Regis used to be with her

sure I could see that but come on now. I'll just

say that's what I thought so you should you know

lady Introduces Tony start to this morning show

and he comes out wearing, you know, the extremist

shirt and is like, oh god now he's doing a clothing

brand too and It's Mandy is her name. He's like

my pleasure to be here Mandy and You know and

all of a sudden he's like well, I'm happy to

announce that You know today, I got something

new and I'm just he basically launches a bunch

of x -ray flying x -ray Stark drones Around the

city. This is a no no way. It's it's basically

his own private security force. This is like

the Hover drones you fight in like the later

levels of a halo game Can't believe you haven't

said anything about this yet JJ Remember a couple

of years ago when we had a superior spider -man

They are don't get me wrong. I love superior

Iron Man Tom Taylor I'm please do not take this

the wrong way dude, but Jesus Christ this is

what if Doc Ock was in Tony Stark's body because

iron sight spider sight Stark Island Spider Island

I can't help but draw the the lines people. Yeah,

I mean, but he's basically Big brother now, you

know, this is in no way, you know endorsed by

the city of San Francisco or the state of California

and Daredevil and we get just a little bit and

this is where we find out that Tony Stark's responsible

for the future of demolition man Cause Daredevil

takes out one of these flying camera drones and

is like, you have destroyed an iron sight drone.

This is your first warning. No legal action will

be pending at this stage, but a bill has been

sent to your home, which is, you know, you've

been fined one credit for violation of the verbal

virality statute. And I was like, Oh Jesus. And

then you go back, you see Mandy has got this

like, aren't you concerned about privacy issues?

And Tony's uh response is absolutely priceless

because you go to like the the hype man for the

show he's like oh i sympathize with the need

for privacy but if it's a choice between the

lives of our children and trance frankly bizarre

browser history there's no real choice and trent

is just kind of like that i like ponies you know

it's just lord knows what's on this guy's web

browser but i just love how tony he tries to

shill that this is all for you and you know he's

trying to like hawk the app and he's like well

it's not my fault it's so expensive it's your

fault because you don't have enough money you

know and that's literally what he says was like

you need to earn more you need to be superior

it's like dude just because people can't afford

shit doesn't mean you have to shame them into

buying your product which is what he's doing

Yeah, this is the whole social commentary on

Apple and I can tell this is slam dunking Apple

because it's kind of like you can't afford Apple

products and get a second job. You know, you

can apply for Apple credit. It's not my fault

that you can't spend $500 for a new iPhone or

$350 for an iWatch. It's the new best fad -esque

thing that they're trying to promote and I get

that but people don't quite understand or at

least the rich don't understand that if we're

working minimum wage or whatever we're working

like i'm working per diem so i'm only working

a couple weekends a month if i wanted to put

in more days and hours i would but even then

i still it would take me a few months to get

a macbook or get the clone which i did today

my point being is that it's great that you have

all this money and what you can and can't afford

But you're not quite understanding what people

cannot. And when you're trying to promote something,

it's almost I wouldn't say fascism so much, but

Tony is definitely out of sync. And this is when

I go back to the Apple people, because any time

you walk into that store, it's like you have

security. You have state troopers in that store

loaded and armed and ready. no joke and you have

all these specific shirts that the techs are

wearing and you have not the geek squad but the

geniuses and they have a separate bar and if

you don't make an appointment they don't want

to talk to you they don't want to tell you anything

and unless you have apple care they don't want

to deal with you they will not they'll pretend

to be stupid until you purchase or renew that

apple care so it is a clickish little club On

this big giant splash page of the trouble at

home on Stark Island here, I love the bottom

right -hand corner panel where it's Tony and

he's got his repulsors ready to fire. It so looks

like a war machine suit. I know it's not. I know

it's the superior Iron Man suit, but just the

way that the shading and the colors are on that

square panel where we have someone off panel

saying, lower your weapons. Gee, I wonder who

could that be. Oh look, it's Madame Killjoy.

I mean Maria Hill That that is the nickname I've

given her yeah, and in the span of I think eight

panels Tony Well, he humiliates shield You know,

he's like I'll pay for the damages that he's

caused I'm gonna you know, I'll save the boy

He's wanted. No, he isn't. I've had a team of

lawyers making sure the warrants been received

and Maria's just, but, but, but, no, no, Maria,

don't embarrass yourself or I'll make sure the

whole world sees it. Yeah. And then you go in

and again, the armor goops off Tony, which I

love Senar's art here or Yildir. just the artist's

take on the sit like how the armor moves as it

peels off him it's cool and kind of beautiful

and just really really icky yeah it's like watching

a you know a silver version of venom yeah and

then tony's laying down the law if you're gonna

live here rule number one no talking about fight

club i mean don't touch anything you know and

then you're a walking lump of destruction don't

touch anything then rule number two no more rage

fights that one's self -explanatory rule number

three there's got to be something better than

teen a bomb well actually it's it's there will

be no teen abomination in this town what yeah

he goes Jamie and then Tony goes like really

and team abominations I guess and Tony just looks

away and he goes no i can't look at you and say

jamie like i don't understand the point is but

then i love the panel where abomination he has

like these puppy dog eyes even though it doesn't

have any pupils and he's like are you really

going to save me and tony is like yeah i'm going

to i'm going to study you and test you but you

know when i can do something i will and then

i love how abomination tries to take a drink

but tony's like no and we have parties right

now going on and also no monsters are allowed

so you go total like he's really demeaning this

poor guy and i can't blame theme abomination

i mean it's bad enough he's i guess for his argument

not only is he a monster but he's also a kid

and he's looking up to tony and tony just humiliated

him left and right with your walking ball of

destruction don't touch anything i don't like

your name and You know, this is gonna be like

Frankenstein and Igor all over again. And then

of course, you know, Daredevil comes back in

to the fray, as usual. And, you know, we have

that banter between, you know, the extremists

and what's going to happen. Daredevil trying

to stop Tony, and of course, you know, even though

Abomination was given that rule number two, you

know, no rage fights, he sees back in rage because

it's like Tony's the only one who can help me.

Yeah, and we have the Daredevil does like the

big reveal that Whatever Tony's endgame is and

he's I guess he's playing like a long a long

game here You find out that extremis the the

app on the phone It's it's a front. It's a shill.

It's it does nothing All it is is an audio trigger

to something Tony has already dosed the city

with Like and then that's a not even like a douchey

thing. That's kind of straight -up evil Yeah,

even if this is an ends justify the means sort

of thing that Tony's going for He's essentially

contaminated the the city's water supply with

this new extremis So I don't you know and I hope

in one of the three remaining issues That somebody

figures out how to create a signal that activates

extremis Outside of Tony's control and just see

what he does with that. But then you see a a

bomb come I'm sorry. I just I can't say teen

abomination you know, we got Jamie here hustles

in and He wipes out daredevil and Tony's like

no He sends the armor to rescue him. Then he

essentially Jack's Daredevil look it looks like

he's gonna torture him or something He essentially

jails him inside the suit. It's almost like when

Again, I have to I know a lot of people may not

like Iron Man 3. I love that fucking movie Yeah,

it's kind of like the president being hijacked

in the Patriot armor. I mean, it's the same kind

of thing here But this looks a lot cooler than

that did because you have the liquid going over

Daredevil's face and it's just oh man. Yeah And

you're right, I mean Tony technically is Dr.

Frankenstein and A -bomb is the monster. Tony

does say that when he's going to experiment on

Daredevil. Tony points to a bomb and says, listen,

I'm going to strap this guy down and work on

him, but I don't want you anywhere near me. I

don't want a monster next to me while I conduct

this experiment. It'll be way too mad scientist.

I mean, there's more humiliation piled on upon

more humiliation. And I can't blame. Well, when

we get to issue number five, because that's going

to be the sweetest plum of them all. But this

does start to come off very mad scientist desk

and. Yeah, Tony at this point is starting to

talk like a 1930s or 40s comic book or, you know,

serial mad scientist of what he's going to do

daredevil. Yeah, he's got kind of definitely

some straight up villain dialogue because he

and you know, no one else knows. I mean, this

is like watching a TV show and you know, when

the and then say like Buffy or some show where

the villain is still kind of part of the good

guys click. And none of the other characters

know that he's a bad guy. You know, and it's

just that it takes a really sinister vibe where

Tony's leaving the apart. We're leaving the hospital

room and he's like, oh yeah, you've got this

brain injury. You've got to be closely monitored

for a few weeks. You know, I don't know. Essentially,

he set it up. So in that time frame, like maybe

his brainwashing will come undone. Daredevil

will remember what happened. But for now, Tony

set it up so like. he can continue to put his

plan into action, you know, unabated or uncontested.

And that's why it makes it looks like a friendly

smile on Tony's face, but then there's, you know,

because of what happens, there's this underlining,

you know, sinister aspect to it. Yeah, that is

a very evil smile. Very evil. And again, it goes

back to who's really talking, the technology

or the person, but... see I think it is Tony

I don't like okay sure they've said that this

is symbiote armor but this is unlike and you

know again JT is the real Marvel expert among

the three of us but everything I've seen with

the symbiotes it's always been you know the whole

we this and we that or I this and I that when

it comes to carnage but it's one of those things

where I really do think this is Tony I don't

think like i don't think this is your normal

symbiote well it's it's not purely like like

i said and from like that first you said he's

taken like the bits of a symbiote that allowed

it to like slough off and you know like where

it where it oozes off like that and reforms over

here so i mean he's and i again i don't think

this is like there's symbiote parts in it and

i don't think that's really gonna come into a

whole thing with what time we have remaining

with this and whether or not the the secret wars

is gonna actually because now there's some thing

we're saying oh no we're not really rebooting

marvel but that's another episode you know i

it there this is symbiote it's the symbiote armor

i mean you can call it that because the way it

acts and how it applies itself i don't think

it's gonna make him go like you know with distended

jaw and you know long slobber slobbering tongue

kind of symbiote so you know time will tell Yeah

issue for the story of the art all well done

all very well executed. I'm Even when I first

read these on comics ology and guided view. I

absolutely loved every moment of it There is

nothing in this series to this point that has

made me say I'm done Yeah, it is just it's just

so good It's kind of refreshing and it's kind

of like one of those things where it's like how

evil can Tony Stark get before? Someone comes

in and really gut checks him Can anybody gut

check him honestly, I? Don't know the only person.

I think they could got check him It would have

to be a team up and the only thing I can think

of is a few members of the Avengers Which would

be probably Captain America. I don't know if

Hulk could step in but then it would have to

be Like the Bruce Banner Hulk where it's Hulk

is beast where Bruce Banner's Brain is in Hulk

And then I'm thinking, you know, whoever Nick

Fury can get his hands. I mean even Thor but

then again I have not seen Iron Man versus Thor

with the exception of the Avengers movie. So

I don't know You the only four that I can think

of that would have to go up against would be

the Eddie flash venom possibly Peter Parker's

spider -man Hulk with Bruce Banner's brain and

Possibly somebody who's not so much of a tech

guru that doesn't sound like a threat to some

Black widow and maybe even Hawkeye. I mean and

and Captain America, of course It would have

to be because then again, I mean Well, which

cap are we talking about here? We're talking

about the real cap. We're talking about the Falcon

Captain America, of course As I recall the only

time I've ever seen Somebody go up against a

symbol night and lose and then you know you had

to have I think Peter Parker and you had to have

what is it the original Venom and Iron Man and

Fantastic Four go against Carnage that's the

only thing I can think of like six people going

up against this guy. Yeah I don't know it's just

so crazy. Any final thoughts on issue for JT

um This is the one honestly I give most new comic

series and as much as I love Iron Man I was kind

of teetering on the brink here a drop in this

but this is the one that just set the hook in

me You know with that ending where this is like,

oh Tony you miserable son of a bitch. I Must

know what goes on, you know, it's like I gotta

see where this goes. So Hopefully the story will

come to a mostly satisfying conclusion. And yeah,

so we move on to number five. And again, like

Mike mentioned earlier, this is it's basically

the title dress and the overall design. This

is aping an issue. I don't can't remember specifically

which one it was. I couldn't find this out, but

it's basically aping an old issue of Tales of

Suspense, which was the original two and one.

comic that had the original Iron Man stories

back in the 60s like he shared this with Captain

America until they both graduated to their own

mainline titles so you know we got that and we

have like the kind of classic Hulk change kind

of cover we get this which could be a scroll

or some other villain looming in the background

you know it's if it wasn't for you and I wouldn't

be a monster just bad you know and it's the origin

of Almost I'm saddened a little bit that they

didn't have You know the story of who he is and

how he came to be Which is a comic book trope

that I love on origin story issue stories like

this Yeah, I gotta say this one is probably my

least favorite cover out of all five. I Just

yeah, it doesn't have that pop that the first

four covers have and we got The artist on this

one like the cover was done by Mike Choi and

the artist on this issue is Laura Braga who's

primarily known looking this up before the show.

She does a lot of work for Top Cow specifically

Witchblade, but she's also done some work for

Marvel on New Avengers and the current Captain

Marvel series with Carol Danvers I mean her art

is good. I mean, it's not as good as as Sinars,

but Sinar kind of set it up You know for her

to come in and be like, okay. Well, this is this

is the art This is what we need to do. It's not

I don't want to say she's being a friggin tracer

here But I mean Star Tower looks like Star Tower

looked like, you know a few few issues ago Tony

suit looks like the way Tony suits supposed to

look a bomb looks a little more kind of like

the Marvel the superhero squad design a little

bit obviously he still has hair in this but yeah

I think that the design her art is better suited

to the character of teen a bomb like don't get

me wrong on right and delays art it's just so

it's maybe it's it's her line work and the the

anchor Who was the ink around this one just looking

here? Well, she does her own inking too. So yeah,

it's just I think her art is better suited to

this character, but I love this Tony's trying

to draw blood and He's got it all set up and

then he pulls a move straight out of Pacific

Rim where he uses his Booster rocket on his elbow

to literally just stab teen abomination there.

I said it. Are you happy? he's like you and he

goes to smack tony one time and he's like you're

13 years old you don't know shit and you know

it's uh you know it's so he's drawn the blood

and he's gonna figure out you know how to help

teen abom while also i'm assuming gonna profit

immensely from this so he's like oh the search

is gonna take some time i'm gonna have a single

malt scotch tell me your origin story baby And

that's pretty much the entire rest of the issue

folks. It's it's it's Jamie's origin story Yeah,

and what comes out of this and I'm just gonna

say this right now folks spoilers I mean this

issue has been out for a while issue six is already

out. So An issue seven is coming. So if you haven't

read this already You've been warned spoilers

Yeah, Jamie is a Hogan And I'm not talking about

Hulk Hogan, folks. I'm talking about Happy Hogan.

Are you surprised? I haven't read any Iron Man.

I haven't read Marvel. I mean, I'm not... Everybody

knows this, you know? Technically when the pull

bag first started it was DC for 90 % of the first

two and a half years Yeah, so I when I read this

I was kind of surprised Yeah, but I mean if when

I first read this issue, this was a big surprise

for me That you know with the revelations only

but this was during the time probably between

Sometimes just before like onslaught and heroes

reborn and then the heroes coming back and Tony

found in You know Iron Man volume 3 that you

know Hogan and are happy and pepper had broken

up because they had been married for the longest

time so it's not like Hope happy was one day.

You know what? I'm gonna get me some the way

Tony gets him some you know, it's it life finds

a way, you know So we see Katrina here's Jamie's

mom. She has to bring him to work because she

can't get a sitter and they're doing this experiment

with gamma rays. And that never works out properly,

folks. I don't know why anyone in the Marvel

Universe even... What are you thinking about?

Gamma rays? You're fired. Gamma rays should be

illegal in the Marvel Universe. you should get

jail time for even thinking about using gamma

rays. You set up the lab in the middle of the

freaking desert and like 10 miles that way is

where the control panel is, you know. So you

see this and essentially Jamie gets irradiated

while trying to protect his mom and happy saves

them and I love the little thing where Tony says

if it had worked it would have made the gamma

knife look like a blunt instrument and then the

little You know, in panel there, it's like the

gamma knife is a real medical tool and not something

GoosePanner invented. Yeah, that's awesome. And

it says, apparently this is, I guess I was, I

missed this here when I read it. This isn't during

the time that Tony was missing in the alternate

universe. This is like when he was hit in the

bottle. You know, in the timeframe of the Marvel

universe and I was leading a double life back

then didn't leave time for the little things

and Jamie's like little things. He's like that

was also the day the black llama returned who

was and I love how in like When I say early Iron

Man, I mean like anything before 1985 with you

know, Christ on infinite earth you can kind of

use that as a benchmark for splitting eras of

comics in Twain like Iron Man used to fight a

lot of you know, mystic types and You know sort

of magically inclined enemies. I mean even have

that great uh story and i figured i think it

was like two or three hundred or something like

that where him and dr doom go back in time and

have to fight alongside merlin and king arthur

and camelot and stuff like that and anyway just

saying this this used to happen to iron man a

lot yeah so you know you see uh tony just talks

about his fight with the the black long was trying

to drive him insane and he crashes back at stark

industries and He basically blanks on what happens

after that And you see him I I can't remember

like he just gets pissed all of a sudden And

I love that. I mean, how did a llama beat you?

What? I mean it has hooves. How did it hold the

orb thing? Was it tied around its neck? I wasn't

he was a powerful mystic huh a llama like L like

a guru you were picturing me fighting an actual

llama Forget it. Like, I just love that look.

You were picturing things like, it's the Marvel

universe. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

I mean, there's a... Sorry, Jeremy, you go. Yeah,

I can almost picture seeing a gigantic mutated

llama in this universe. Okay, we have Stagron

the Dinosaur Man, the Kangaroo, and the Grizzly.

Like, there is no end of... And most of these

guys are Spider -Man villains, for Christ sakes.

Like it's like if spider -man's done one thing

he is peripheral Flourish related the concept

of superpowered animal themed characters in this

universe so anyway, we get back to Jamie's origin

and It's like and Tony's like there were two

people injured in the explosion. They didn't

mention the creation of a five -year -old monster

And he's like that happened later And it's essentially

Jamie gets bullied at school. His mom, you know,

she got fired or something happened like she

it's kind of a Peter Parker, you know, Aunt May

situation. And his mom's like, I'll go talk to

your teacher and we'll deal with these boys,

which is Not the wrong way to deal with that,

but it doesn't benefit the kid in any way, and

I can attest to that because I kind of got bullied

as a kid growing up, like small town bullying

because, you know, I was fat and I liked comic

books a little too much. And my dad was always

like, don't react and they'll leave you alone,

which never happened. And Jamie just blows up

as his mom, as children are one to do. And, well,

gee, negative emotions. adrenaline gamma energy

what could possibly oh look it's teen a bomb

you know and it's and the whole reason that jamie

can't turn back is well more often than not being

a gamma mutant is tied to your emotional state

and as long as he's pissed at himself he can't

change back because he he his first transformation

he killed his mom by accident and you know you're

gonna be pissed at yourself forever tony says

and What about you dad? Where's he in all this

and this is where we finally get the reveal and

I love Laura's face work on Tony in that bottom

I guess that would be like bottom of page 19

where he's like, huh son of a bitch Yeah, and

that's exactly why I've been saying this entire

podcast. It's It's down a junior Because I swear

when he said that I'm like It's Avengers all

over again. He wants something, you know, he

wants something in bright lights. He wants his

Naya son of a bitch Yeah, it goes on and he's

like well you actually the son of one of the

few people I really do care about I am gonna

help you Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm still gonna

find a way to monetize the hell out of this So

he's like but also spent some time trying to

work out how to reverse what's happened to you.

We'll start tomorrow don't you need to protect

the city uh no i've got an entire flying network

of x -ray cameras people can't do shit without

me seeing it you know to sum it up and then we

go he goes into what is essentially his armory

i guess because you can see some armors and alcoves

in the background he's like trying to figure

out like what what happened after he blanked

out in this fight with the black llama and tony

is Is like okay pull up the armor footage from

eight years ago December 13th. No footage found

video has been deleted Access all stark security

footage from that same date cross -reference

with facial rec display all footage containing

Tony Stark No footage found multiple files have

been deleted from drives and servers and then

I don't just Did you not love like the whole

kind of sinister like arching of the eyebrows?

They were like someone's taken a day for me.

Who could have done something like that? You

know, it seems like he's Turing into Loki for

some reason with the hair. I don't yeah, but

with the hair and the eyes He starts to become

very Loki esque as well. Yeah No, there's a very

low key. I think he's definitely he's he's sliding

not it not into anti -hero territory and he's

definitely not a villain. He's in that nebulous

fourth state of comic book persona where you're

neither good nor bad. Yeah, it's definitely,

again, Dr. Claw, very sinister. The problem that

I have with this is that I do like how Tony kind

of goes back and forth. Like, his face... keeps

changing from like happy to sinister to happy

to sinister. And then he's almost down in a brew,

but then all of a sudden he sees that somebody

has broken into his vials. Yeah. Only thing I

can think of is that it's got to be Pepper Potts.

Why would I say Pepper Potts? Because who else

knows Tony better than she does? Well, yeah.

I mean, there's what she's doing with Hornhead

and whatever they're up to, which... you know,

still hasn't gotten, they haven't gotten into

that. I mean, that's kind of like the B plot

in a way. And now we've got like B and C. I mean,

we've got Tony and what the F he's up to with

Extremis. We've got Pepper and Hornhead and whatever

they're planning to deal with this douchebag

Tony here. And now we've got Tony trying to figure

out, you know, like, why is he missing this day?

Like, why can he not remember? And why, and again,

this... It's not surprising that he wouldn't

remember something like this because of how,

you know, he had those incomplete backups that

he used to restore his memory when he wiped his

hard drive when Norman Osborn was after him,

like during the Dark Rain storyline. So stuff

like that's missing and it's just... I love that

very villainous, like I said, evil finger contemplation

pyramid there, and you can almost hear that,

next time, catch it, next time, like Jeremy suggested.

And I just got to say quickly, I love the look

that Laura put in Tony's face, where he makes

that first video request, and then he's just

chugging back the Jim Beam. Chug, chug, chug,

and he's just like, oh, I've missed you so much,

JB. And then he's like no, he's got this problem.

He's gonna work on a bomb You know and it's again

to be continued again. Like I said the fourth

the fort I'm in it for the long haul. I'm here

till the end I honestly don't know whether I'm

happy or sad if Marvel actually does a whole

reboot or they talk about just Kind of putting

some Vaseline on the lens of life if you get

that analogy just kind of obscure certain things

who knows But yeah, I love this issue. Like I

said, the cover was, it was cool to see that

homage to Tales from Suspense, but it's not,

it's not that, just not, no, sorry, no. it doesn't

pop like those first ones, but overall I loved

Laura Braga's art in this. I think it really

worked for the character. Like Jeremy said, you

know, maybe it seems like it's kind of channeling

a little bit of Loki. I just like the... I don't

mean it actually does look like this, but I like

the kind of anime hair that Tony kind of has,

where he's got like the loop cage tiara as part

of his Iron Man headgear there. You know, you

almost want to have like this giant control crystal

glowing and set in the middle of his forehead

like that. It just seems to be missing. I overall

I like this, you know, we get the And it's kind

of a tragic origin, you know, he never there's

a father. He never met with Jamie. He's pretty

much always gonna Be a monster. I mean not that

he actually is a monster He's gonna be trapped

in the body of this monster until he can forgive

himself and Lord knows if that'll ever happen

Yeah, it's it's just crazy. Yeah, and again probably

favorite image in this issue just amongst so

many good ones was the huh son of a bitch yep

absolutely all right so overall on a zero to

five star scale what are we going to give the

first five the first kind of arc here for a rating

jeremy well five issues five stars across the

board i was never bored by the dialogue. I was

never bored by the imagery. I was never bored

by the facial expressions. I, you know, the interesting

with any comic book universe is this or is this

not another alternate universe or is this a what

-if story? I don't know. I don't know other than

the fact that possibility since Tony decided

to get his hands on, you know, our favorite Classic

villain and try to make money off of it. Well,

we all know how that's gonna work But I guess

there is an app for everything and there seems

to be an app for this It's a tighter story, although

I do recommend that if you like this type of

story that I go back to that Twilight Zone episode

number 12 looks just like you as for the team

Abomination his origin I'm not surprised that

it had something to do to connect with Tony and

I get I think it has to go back to the Iron Man

3 how Tony was bonding with that kid and kind

of like went away and they you know people were

like because I asked that question to is like

what was the point of the kid and there was nothing

and then all of a sudden they're gonna bring

another kid in and now but they're gonna make

him a monster and all of a sudden it's gonna

reconnect the happy Hogan because I had heard

that happy Hogan had passed so I kind of see

how everything is trying to intersect and trying

to make up for people complain Whether you like

or dislike the extremist storyline in Iron Man

3 I am familiar with the story arc though, and

I think it was a story arc in the 70s with the

extremists But I'm glad how they've reinvented

it all and I'm glad that if you're gonna bring

on somebody to go one -on -one again They're

trying to give Daredevil his comeback. Well,

it worked, and I don't know what's gonna happen

to him in 6 and 7, but I have to go with JT.

I'm definitely on for this ride. I'm more of

the DC person, not the Marvel person, but every

now and then, you come across a story that works,

and I think with the covers, I love all five

of them, especially the fifth one, because it

reminds me of anything out of the 50s or 60s.

So I would definitely say, if you don't want

to go to your local comic book store, Definitely

download the series. You will not have remorse

on this series No, absolutely. I mean I'm subscribed

on Comixology now and I just I cannot wait till

The next it because right now we do have issue

six folks, but we're not gonna do we're not gonna

talk about issue six obviously until The rest

of the series comes out Because I think it's

only going to nine I have not seen I mean Marvel

has not It's not even a well when this episode

goes live. It'll be the end of April But as of

this recording we have not seen the Marvel July

solicitations yet So so so far online all as

I can find is through issue 9 But I absolutely

love it. I think this series is great I'm sad

to see it go when it eventually does everything

Jeremy and JT have said I completely agree with

this is a wonderful wonderful series And I can't

wait to read more of it. I just can't so I'm

gonna give it a five all around as well No, I

mean overall these first five issues like I said,

I'm hooked. I'm here for the long haul I love

Sinner's art in the first four issues Laura Broga

if she's on for the next I think she's on through

six and seven I'm not sure about eight and nine

but uh... eight nine i think it's in our okay

but uh... either way i i love in the story i

like i want to know what tony's endgame is i

want to know what pepper and hornhead are up

to uh... you know we'll see what happens and

i want to give it uh... uh... it's i want to

give it four decimal seven five like four and

three quarters stars You can give it four and

a half, but we don't have four and three quarters.

I don't want to just give it four and a half,

and I don't want to just give it five. It's kind

of that middle of the road. If only because they

set these hooks with Pepper and Hornhead, but

they don't move any further forward with that.

And I'm not saying complete reveal. It's just,

just give me something. Just a taste. What's

going on? But overall, I love what... Tony did

with Daredevil and how he got rid of Daredevil

and will Daredevil realize what's happened and

come back for his justly, his just revenge. You

know, the tragic origin of teen abomination and

Jamie and how, you know, it's his own fault.

Like definitely pick this up people, digital,

like on paper, get the trade, whatever, but buy

this series. Absolutely. Alright folks, that's

gonna do it for this episode of The Pull Bag.

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